Open Space & Recreation Committee - Regular Meeting

[Music] All right, it would appear that we have a core in presence. So, let me call to order this meeting of the OpEd Space and Recreation Committee. Um, first order of business will be to a roll call. Travis Mast, I'm here. Stephen Crowley, I'm here. Shannon Felin here and Marie Foley here

and David Robbins is here and uh Elizabeth informed me that she would not be able to attend. I didn't hear anything one way or the other from Trevor but Trevor where's my brain? um that we do have a quorum and I think we have a fairly brief meeting but uh let me begin by welcoming Ann Marie back to the committee as the select board representative. Welcome Ann Marie.

Thank you. and we are due to reorganize the committee which means designating a uh chair, vice chair and clerk. Currently I am chair, Shannon is clerk and an Marie was vice chair until she temporarily removed herself from the committee to serve as chair of the select board. And some for some reason last year I never got around to uh having the committee designate a new vice chair. So that's kind of open right now. But uh nobody filled my boots.

I that was that was entirely on me. I just never got around to putting reorganization in the committee agenda. So we never we never even asked that question. So any uh any No, Siri, I'm not talking to you. Um Okay. self. Any suggestions for who would like to be or who you think should be chair or vice chair or clerk? I mean, kind of by default, we can just pick up where we left off.

I would be in favor of that. Dave, you're doing a fantastic job. Well, okay. If you're willing to accept that role again. Yes. Yes, I'm willing to continue that for at least another year. I don't mind being the clerk still. That's fine. Okay. And that leaves leaves the question of vice chair slightly up on the air except our previous incumbent to that position was Anie. Uh you would you w want to con you pick that up again? I can, but I'm also happy to have someone else take it. That's no problem at all.

Any volunteers? I hear no volunteers. So, a a motion to designate me as chair and Marie as vice chair and Shannon as clerk would be in order if someone would care to make that motion. I can. So moved. Second. Moved and seconded. Any discussion of the motion? Hearing none, we'll take a roll call vote. Travis, yes. Stephen, yes. Shannon, yes. And Marie, yes.

And Dave votes yes. Motion carried unanimously. That uh is the one essential item of business on our agenda, I guess. Uh the next item on the agenda was uh u an update. This is kind of an informational update on the open space inventory which we uh we we I had revised that back at the beginning of the year and uh I think we uh at least briefly discussed it at our last meeting which was way back in February. Not much of an update on that except to say um I've been continuing to make a couple of minor updates to it as we go along. Um it turned out to be useful for the trails committee. The trails committee was looking to get a list of the town land that was not currently controlled by Con. uh they were apparently in investigating or considering the possibility of uh uh doing some trail work on on that you know that that's again land that's not currently under con control. So William reached out to me knowing that I know something about an open space inventory and I just basically pulled from our inventory the list of you two categor two g two categories of parcels parcels that are permanently protected but not under con control and parcels that are town own these are all town-owned parcels and land that's owned by the town but not even permanently protected. I I basically sent them those two lists along with a map showing where they are. Uh I don't know what if anything the trails committee has done with that. They requested the

information and I have I've not heard anything further about, you know, whether or uh might be acting on it, but that's sort of neither here nor there for for my purposes. It just turns out that the work we've done to back in developing the open space and recck plan and the inventory is continues to be useful. Um, what else? No, that's about it as far as uh if any of you would be interested. I could share with the committee the uh the the the lists that I sent to the trails committee. I'd love to see it.

Okay. Yep. I I will circulate that around. It's you again it's probably for no more thanformational purposes but you know kind of helps to see that the work the work we've done as a committee is uh proven to be useful. Anything else? Can I ask a question about that? Yes. Um so you said William contacted you. Is that because um do they what I'm trying to ask is does the town staff have access to these? Do they know where it's like saved?

Uh yeah, sort of the I mean the we've got the uh we've got the complete open space inventory documents on the website under under our committee open space and rec committee.

Okay. And uh I I I also am the person who has the the data from which those lists are made. And it one of my long-term thoughts on that is to uh have the planning department uh be in possession of the complete set of data and you know be in a position to help maintain it. right now that's it's you know the source data for all that is is basically in my position but I have I have talked with Fiona about the possibility of her and her staff someday having the capacity to uh to hold and manage that data so that it's not 100% dependent upon me.

Yeah. which as long as I'm around, I don't mind doing it, but I I I can't guarantee that I'll be around forever. So, any other questions or comments on the open space inventory? one of the um excuse me, Adam Adam from the recck department uh rec W recck department director is looking at um possibly doing a feasibility study on 27 Milford Road. You might have already heard of that, but he's uh he's looking for grant money to request a feasibility study for the possibility of using it for um future field use and possibly a uh a wreck center.

Oh, that's that's interesting. That that kind of leads into the our next agenda item, which touches on 27 Milford Road. I hadn't heard that, but uh that that could influence the action that we be that we've been looking at under our next agenda item, which we might as well officially get into that agenda item. That is the what did I call it? Consideration of protection for unprotected open space. And you guys may recall we we sort of pointed at 27 Milford row. There's two two big parcels there that are currently owned by the town and not under any form of conservation or recreation protection. And so we uh some months ago I forwarded the information on that, the background information on those parcels to Fiona and she sort of has that as a task for the her department to be looking at you know sort of you know digging digging up any any additional background information they can find but with the ultimate objective of placing that land or part of it. I mean, we last time we talked about it as a committee, we we we thought, well, all of that land maybe should be permanently protected. And I think a recreational No, I'm sorry. I think a recreational use may may be very very compatible with that. But that's something that uh I think I should Adam Adam maybe wants to we should suggest that Adam kind of work with Fiona on that. uh just to make sure that what we do ultimately with those parcels is is compatible with whatever Adam's looking at doing. So,

right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Emry's hand is up. Uh hi. Sorry. Uh so, how big of a parcel is that? And I didn't look at your old minutes to to know that you guys talked about this. So, there's two question questions. How big is the parcel that you're saying it's town owned right now? Yes. Yeah. There are there are there are two parcels on Mford Road and I don't have the numbers. Uh it's I think it's in the neighborhood of 100 acres or more. Yeah. It's very large. It's very large. Is this woods or part of No. Well, it bots it though.

It 100 acres and that's what I was I was just wondering. So it's all of what's in there outside of the Plat Preserve, Salisbury, and Pastit, right? Yeah. Yeah. It it absorbs those. But yeah, that land was acquired by the town back in the 90s and uh it was part it was basically it was given to the town in as part of the Oakmont Farm subdivision, that big subdivision of off of Milford Road. But they uh they designated those two they handed those two parcels over to the town.

So there's two parcels what approximately 50 each or uh it could be I'd have Yeah, that's fine. Fine. No worries. And the access point is that that Milford Road access, right? Just that little So the access to these parcels I I don't recall whether any of it is connects directly to Milford Road. It It's not. It's going to be the back of the back of one of the Pratt culde-sacs. Yeah, that's right. You Yeah, Stephen, you live there, so you know how that's Yeah, I know. Yeah, we we walk there and um Okay. Uh the there are a lot of walking trails back there that that are managed by um Land Trust. Grant Land Trust. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. the access would be off of potentially Pratt or, you know, another access point if depending on uh if you can get an easement through there is is uh down off of um 140 coming in the back way. I don't know how how large that land is. And yeah, that's when you're looking at the Plat Preserve and you'd have to go It's like the flea market is there. Yeah, the flea market's there. Yeah. Okay. Sorry, just trying to figure it out. Thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. A little bit of history on that is that uh the it was originally the the land to be given to the town was set up as two separate parcels. The intent originally was that one of them would be protected open space. The other one would be more general municipal use. However, the protected part of the open space never actually happened. So they're both on and we did in the early 2000s we looked at that land as a potential location for the high school. That's right.

And uh that was between it being kind of out at the edge of town and more importantly the topography of the land, you know, between ledge and steep slopes. it was it it it just didn't didn't turn out to be at all suitable for a high school.

And since then, I'm pretty sure that when the DPW building committee was looking at potential sites for a new DPW building, I think they also looked there on at the Milford Road land and determined it to be unsuitable. So, Shannon, your hand is up. So, um, that kind of makes me a this kind of makes me a little bit nervous feeling, um, just because I thought that we had chosen the those parcels because they were almost like a an easy uh, like lowhanging fruit that we wanted it to be like just kind of a practice exercise with Fiona and planning and just picked this easy one that everybody kind of already thought was open space. So,

y I'm a little bit nervous about, you know, finding out that they might spend tax dollars to do or even a grant to to do a feasibility study. Um, I look back through the minutes just quickly and it says that um, the last time we talked about it, Fiona said that um, she was going to look in the archives, the planning department archives for um, some definitive documentation that the two parcels were under the care were supposed to be open space.

Um, but that hadn't been done yet. And then we also stated at the last meeting that according to the conversations with the Concom and Land Trust, these parcels has had always been considered protected open space. So, I'm just nervous that like all of a sudden that what we once thought was like so easy and a no-brainer is now getting considered for development. It's it's it's an option that Adam has has um brought up. He is going with to CPC with a fall application for funds to do the feasibility study.

Yeah. And recreation in general is a protect. It can you know land can be permanently protected for recreation purposes as well as concrete conservation purposes. When we previously discussed this as a committee Shannon you're right that we we we didn't we were not aware of any interest in using the land for any any purposes other than conservation. And I think, you know, con at least consistent with our with our thoughts of I mean, we could, you know, we we can always revisit our our position or our thinking based on new information, but within the scope of protecting the land from more general development, recreation purposes are not incompatible with that. But again and I think maybe maybe we would want to make sure that as this is being pursued that we do we do keep in mind number one the proximity of these parcels to existing conservation and land trust land.

Yep. Dave, I don't uh I'm very familiar with the area as I've spent 25 years walking back there.

Yep. It's I don't I don't see the feasibility of building that out just axis is very limited and it's very hilly rocky and lot of ledge. So I don't the feasibility study might be a waste of money based on what I've just said but does the feasibility study need to be done to um eliminate the option that I think that's that's an interesting point and I that kind of circles back to when we were looking at it for a potential high school location. You know, we enough investigation was done. I don't I don't recall that a formal, you know, any sort of a kind of formal feasibility study was done. I think there was some some somewhat of a more formal feasibility study done for the DPW where they looked at the site in enough detail to um understand that it wasn't going to work and that may that may be what has to happen here.

Yeah. That uh and even even potentially for the use of it even without a structure even just you know is there enough there to be usable as new field space right?

I think you I I think you you probably do have to look at that for that purpose and for rec Something that I'm pretty pretty certain about is that, you know, using using some of that land for recreational fields is consistent with the any form of permanent protection. Don't quite not quite so sure about a building facility, but fields in general, I think, are uh what do we call it? Article 97 land can, you know, can be used for those. Anyway, without without trying to belabor the point now, I think there you know that that is something that needs to be taken into consideration when when contemplating a feasibility study of those parcels and for whatever for whatever action we ultimately want to take, the town ultimately wants to take to place them under some form of protection. It may be that some combination of recreation commission and conservation commission uh control would turn out to be appropriate, but at this point we can Yeah, I'd say we probably just don't know for sure. man.

So, how do we or how could we as a town, if that was the sentiment, protect this from anything and just protect it as in a purely open space? Yeah. Is that correct?

Yes. BA Basically to my knowledge what would have to happen is town meeting would vote to place that land under control of the conservation commission for conservation or for conservation and recreation purposes. But placing it under placing it under concom control is you know secure is the permanent protection for it and there may you know that it may need to be slightly more complicated than that if there is any any portion of that that might be valuable as recreation land. I think it's still if it's it it has to be done the right way and and I I would defer to town council for you know some refinement in that idea.

Got it. Understood. Yep. Thank you, Shannon. So, um I feel like we had last time we went through this, we had already started the process of them looking for the documentation that would achieve what our goal was at that time, which was to just get it in paper, kind of close the deal, that it was protected. And um so I feel like that process was started but it was never completed. Right. Should we first complete that process and have them look through the archives like we said we were going to do and that before more tax money or grant money gets spent to do the feasibility study.

Yes. I think the last time I talked with Fiona about this, they had done they had dug through the archives as much as they were able to find and and did not find any new information that it would change what we already understood to be the case. So, as far as I know, everything that they've been able to dig up so far, uh, says that there is nothing in the documentation that accomplishes the purpose of permanent protection, nor is there anything that is really clearly understood to show the intent. you you you can read through the documents and there is there's a sense that that was meant to be permanently protected but no action has ever been taken. Now Fiona's Fiona's and her staff have had very very little time to work in this. she's got an intern in the office and and she mentioned to me yesterday or the day before she said she's she's going to give the intern you have the intern do some of this work to follow up there was in addition to 27 Milford road we had identified I don't have the list off the top of but three or four other parcels that conservation commission had indicated they they were interested in making sure they're permanently protected. And I I'd handed those off to Fiona as well. It's she uh she like I said, she's got an intern that hopes she hopes we'll be able to follow up on some of this work, this this paperwork. And I at some point I think I think maybe we as a committee might want to express some interest in uh in bumping the priority up on this at least a little bit particularly particularly in light of what Adam is is

looking at there. There certainly needs to be some common understanding as what what the town's intent would I think our intent as a committee is still one way or another we want to see both parcels permanently protected. Yeah, it would be great to to maybe have like a meeting or just a quick Zoom or something just so that we're all on the same page because I remember the the land trust I you know I'm on this board representing them. Um

Yep. But I remember Rob had written to you and to and I a fairly long email about how that was really always understood to be um open space protected, not just recreation protected, but so I'm sure that would come up again. But yeah, just even having a meeting just to get everybody in the same page because I know Adam is fairly new, right? Yes. Well, been about a year. only a year. So it's not that new, but he doesn't have all the history that that we're talking about. Yeah.

Yes. I mean I mean if it would probably be helpful for Adam to you know get more complete background on this on this land.

Yeah. And in any case, it's sort of you me mentioning Rob and and one of the things that Rob and I I don't know if this is the same thing you're thinking of Shannon or it's a it's very closely related, but there's a uh the uh High Point subdivision off of Adams Row, but there's some some open space there that also abuts conservation land. And I know Rob had communicated with me a while back about that. And that is not currently townowned land, but that that does bring up a topic that I wanted this committee to to consider, and that is that land is soon to come into the possession of the town possibly at fall town meeting. Um, in fact, there they were going to try to get this done at the Springtown meeting, but some issues came up with a an old structure that's on on the land that will ultimately become owned by the town. And there was some discussion, you know, Emry, you'll probably remember some of this discussion in the select board meeting about what do we do with that old structure? We want to get we we would like to have it torn down, but who should do that and how should we get that done? And I don't know where I don't know where those discussions are, but there was you know it was it was up in the air as of the May town meeting. So we didn't do anything in this in May. But if that gets resolved then in the fall town area whatever town meeting occurs once that question gets resolved this land there's I don't remember how many acres on that one either. fairly substantial, but it's going to be handed over to the town. Uh, and I it might be worth our while. At least I think from this committee's point of view, I I I might expect that we would recommend that when the town takes possession of that land that it be

placed under con control so that it is permanently protected open space. I don't know, Travis, if you discussed at all on conservation. I missed the last meeting. I was on vacation. Yeah, it's very I don't think it was on the agenda though. Yeah, it it probably isn't on the agenda yet because there's a lot of issues over there um including litigation. So, I don't think that this is being discussed at this very moment. Um but it's very wet. So, I think, you know, Concom would be appropriate in terms of a steward of it.

Yep. And I'm I'm thinking maybe that we as a committee might want to officially recommend to the select board that they make sure that when this land is handed over to the town that it is placed under con control as part of that action of the town accepting it. I I know I I spoke at a select board meeting informally making that recommendation, but I it's that's not the same thing as us as a committee formally recommending it. And it wouldn't yet even even though we don't yet know when this is going to happen, we might want to be on the record as recommending that it be immediately placed under con control. And if that's something,

what would be the alternative though? I mean, what what else would possibly happen with it? It would be handed over to the town as the the town would own it, but it would have no it's not clear that the land would have any other use. I wouldn't expect any development to occur on it, but I think we we we tend to like to see conservation land, you know, it get some assurance that it is permanently permanently protected and it cannot be taken away. Okay. So, Amarie,

sorry, I'm just back on the committee. So, I don't know what you guys have talked about over the past year, but for me, the Milford road, I think we should do the same. Um, and more importantly, I think that this the High Point property isn't as um exciting to anybody. Uh, and the Milford Road and and what it abuts um I think is would be a priority to do the same thing from this committee. Just my two cents. And again, I'm just talking it. I haven't been here. that that would be consistent with the conservation commission's opinion too on that parcel is to protect it as conservation land. I think a lot of people just assume that's all part of Hosmanet Woods and that it's already protected.

Yeah, I think I think it it is effectively part of our protected conservation land. You just it sits it's sitting there. People walk it. There are trails there. So, let let's It should be should be formalized that way. It's not easily accessible. Yeah. At all. It's surrounded by homes or power lines.

Yeah. Yeah. That's one of those things if you if you look at it on a map, you've got a lot of land that maybe we could do something with. When you think about how it's connected to other parcels of land and how it's it's not easily accessed. And as you pointed out, Steve, the the topography that you see there, the religion, the slopes. Yeah. Yeah. It's one of these things that looks attractive on a map until you go out there and look at it, you realize. So,

yeah, Adam can pay me the $20,000. I'll do it in assessment form. I mean, it just be it'd be that quick. Yeah. Yeah. So, Henry, again, so given what Travis and Shannon have um spoke to, I'm just curious, would we not, as you suggested, relative to High Point, would we not submit something similar to select board um relative to conserving this property? That that would be our recommendation. 27 Milford that is. Yeah, I I think we could do that if if someone if someone would make a motion to that effect. I think

we all vote for it. Go ahead, Shannon. I would like to make a motion that we prepare um a recommendation to the select board or whichever other entity would be in charge of that to um recommend that that be preserved as open space. and with the conservation restriction or we don't even say that. We just leave it up to the board. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah.

It it would Yeah. I think I think what the recommendation probably should be is that it should be permanently protected as conservation land and there's more than one path to get there. And so, I'll just second her motion then.

Yeah. Yeah. Whether it's uh the town could place a conservation restriction on it and and basically you know the the land trust would hold the conservation restriction. I I don't and the other see the other the other way I mentioned before was simp simply the town can vote town meeting can vote place it under con control that that is much easier from a p paperwork perspective it accomplishes the same thing I just wasn't sure we needed in the motion so it's perfectly if it's fine it's fine I second it y

yep yeah so if if the motion is that we we want to see these these two Milford Road parcels permanently protected as conservation land. That is that what everybody's that that's sufficient. That's the motion. Yes. Yes. Any any further discussion on the motion? Hearing none. Ann Marie I. David I. Travis. Yes. Shannon I.

And Dave votes eye. And this is again going back to high point for a moment. It's it's maybe not quite as immediate, but it's probably good to get a to get us on record. The the same this basically the same same thing. So moved relative to High Point. Yeah. Second. All right. Moved and seconded. Any discussion of that motion? Hearing none. Henry I. Haven. I. Travis. Yes. Shannon. Hi.

And Dave votes eye. Okay, that's good one. And I will prepare a memo documenting both of these votes and uh forward that to the select board and the town planning department. And they uh that'll put us on record as recommending this. they will sooner or later hopefully take the appropriate action and and with I'll be around to pester them if if I don't see anything happening everybody else can too. Okay. Any anything else? And we had some other other properties that we're also looking at for con or permanent protection in some way less of probably less immediate. I think that you know going back to our initial discussion on this you know we all saw 27 Milford as the you know the first one to pursue. I know at least one of the others Putinham Lane uh open space there is some questions about the status of those which there was a there may have been a step not taken by the town but that's one of the things that Fiona is going to have her staff looking at. And I I can I just say something? I don't mean to discount the credentials of the intern, but because I was an intern for many many years as well, but um I'm just I don't want the fate of these properties to to be in the hands of someone who might, you know, still be in school, might not know exactly what to look for in the paperwork. Um, I mean, yeah, they can do some backup tasks related to that, but in terms of like looking at it, I would hope that someone more experienced is really looking at it.

Yes, ultimately that does have to happen. Yeah.

Yes. the intern can can do some some leg work, but uh in the in the long run, yeah, this ultimately we're going to want to have our professional staff, including town council, for advice on how to handle any any situation that looks odd or ultimately how to accomplish what we want. Yeah. So, yeah, Fiona Fiona and her staff because she's she's sort of short staffed right now. she had a third person in the office they left. They're in the process of uh hiring another permanent staff. So with all the work that they have to do in that office, it's I can't say that I'm surprised that this has been taking the lower priority. But also just as a practical matter too, you know, the fact that 27 Milford has sat for all these years with nothing happening on it. It is for all practical purposes being treated as conservation land. But what we're after here is to make that formalize that and not leave not leave it up to chance and sooner or later that has to happen. So let's see what else did we have. That's it I think on the future protection of properties. The only other thing we had on the agenda was uh approval of the previous meeting minutes.

Oh, I'm so sorry. I did not even think to do that because it's been so long. Um I know it's in That's on me. I'm sorry. Um I will I will get those out so that we can approve them. Yep. For our next meeting. That's idea. Yeah. We haven't we haven't met since February.

Yeah. And uh it's probably given the work that we're currently engaged in there's not likely to be any reason which is something I wanted to I wanted to ask you guys. uh we'd been we had been meeting every month but uh you know all the sort of the the the more significant test the the the more what do I want to call it the more the the the major work that we had we did the prioritization project which we had to meet frequently on but now we're really at a stage in our work where there's other than once a year asking everybody else what they've done on the open space and rec plan action items um we've got this pursuit of permanent protection which you know that seems to be that seems to move fairly slowly. So I don't know if we need and I'm thinking maybe we should sort of think of a meeting schedule that's more like once every 3 months unless something comes up that's more urgent. Any thoughts on that?

That's fine with me. Yeah, I' I'd defer to you, Dave, as you know, um you've got probably more of a mindset for what uh what the agenda item is going to be and the workload. Yeah. So, I'm Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, you know, if something is in the works before town meeting that we could maybe get something in, you know, say September and other than that, like you said, end of year prior to all the committees reporting back and then maybe again, you know, prior to, like you said, first quarter, prior to to Maytown meeting, stuff's getting going.

Yep. Yeah. That I I was thinking maybe September would be an appropriate time for our next meeting. So I I'm in alignment on that unless unless something else comes up. Shall we plan on a September meeting? Sure. Yep. So can I just ask though because of that list we we had that really awesome list that you put together, Dave, that had all of the parcels that were kind of like in limbo. We weren't really sure about them. Yep.

Um, we picked 27 Milford first and we said we'd kind of see how that went before we picked another one. Should we pick another one now or at our next meeting, everybody kind of look at the list and and see or is it too premature to do that? That would not certainly wouldn't hurt, you know, to look, you know, we've you've we we think we've got the ball rolling on 27 Milford and High Point is kind of a aside that that comes out simply because we're somewhere close to getting that open space. And so when when we do get it, we'd like to make sure it's appropriately controlled and protected. But yes, I think uh you know if if we if we can review that list at our next meeting and and identify another one or two or three parcels that we would like to prioritize after 27 Milford. Keep that in mind.

This changed much or can we just forward what we were already looking at? Like just because I know Ann Marie didn't get them. Um, should we just circulate what we already were look we're looking at? Yeah, the list the list hasn't changed. We haven't added have not added any new properties to the list. Okay. Uh, maybe we circulate it again. Again, maybe you guys don't need that, but I can see it. And then we can all look at it and reconvene in September. And if folks can, you know, start thinking about some of the the properties that are on there, right? Yeah. I'd like to do that. Sorry, David. Yeah, go ahead, Stephen.

I was I was I'd like to do that also with an eye on conservation versus an eye on rec use because that's pretty that's what I what when what I look through the list, I look with that eye and conservation and securing the future of that property is is as important if not more. But yeah, considering the fact that we are the open space and recreation committee,

uh looking at that list from a recreation point of view may identify, you know, this this is less important from an conservation point of view, but maybe this is a prime recreation something that's so yeah, we we mo most of us myself included, you tend to focus more on the conservation aspect, but the reason you're on the committee, Stephen, is I know. Yeah, I know. Is is to bring a recreation perspective to this. So yes,

and and that and as you as you look through the list of of potential parcels there, it's worth thinking, well, yeah, is this really a priority conservation or is this something that maybe is particularly suitable for recreation? Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I I'll I'll uh at a one-sided view. I'll I'll I'll take a kind of medium depth middle of the road view knowing that you Milford Road is not a feasible location for recreation use.

Yeah. But you know and you know tying into that as you know as as you know the recreation strategic plan identified a need for more fields fields right because the fields we have are getting overworked. Yes they are. Which actually isn't a new story. I was on recreation 20 years ago for 10 years and it was the same. No, it has not changed. We got one extra field right broad meadow. That's about it. Yeah.

Okay. So, it sounds like, you know, we'll we're circulate the plan or the the the parcels again. We all look at it with a eye for both recreation and conservation. And then in September, we come back with some feedback on what we think. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But I'll I I'll I'll check the list too to see if there if the list has changed in any way, any, you know, status changes of various houses or whatnot. You know, as I know, I when I was preparing the list for the trails committee, I discovered that I had marked a couple of parcels as being under content control when they really weren't. So, I I I may have a slightly updated version of that list to circulate to all of you. So, I I will do that. All right. Great. All right. Well, we accomplished we've accomplished more than I thought we were going to have a fairly brief meeting, but

all good topics, David. Good good discussion. Yep. It was It was I think it was past time for us to have a meeting, so it's great. All righty. Motion to adjurnn. Second. Moved and seconded. Henry, I Travis. Yes. Fannon yes and Dave votes eye motion carried unanimously and we are adjourned.