Information Technology Committee - Regular Meeting

Ich eröffne diese Sitzung des IT-Ausschusses am 9. September. Wie kann es sein, dass es schon September ist? Am 9. September 2026. Wir beginnen mit einem Aufruf der Mitglieder. Herr Clark.

Herr Carroll.

Nicht hier, oder zumindest noch nicht. Herr Hüssinger. Ich bin hier. Herr Remillard. Ja. Und Herr Robbins ist anwesend. We don't have any participants. But as always, I will continue with our first agenda item, which is public participation. If there are no participants now, one of us should say something. This is public participation and not on the agenda.

I have something. I don't know if you saw it in the news, but the public schools in Springfield and also in the city of Everett were both closed for two days because of cyber attacks. I'm just wondering if there's any evidence of that when the dust has fallen. And if there's something we want to look at to make sure that we're protected from this kind of cyber incident.

Do you have any information about that?

At the moment it is not yet public, but I think it will come out. I mean, this is not new, especially in the municipal area. We probably get half a dozen a year that go through the state. This is one of the reasons why we introduced the Proofpoint software to try to close our gaps. But what we will do, and we have already talked about this with our IT provider, is that as soon as we know more about the details of how they were hacked, we can start to investigate our systems. I think that both Everett and Springfield are controlled by the internal IT. And that will be interesting to look at from the perspective of whether there is a gap that they have, because they do it internally and therefore only have limited staff for what they do. Or whether it is another area that has been exploited. But yes, I mean, we will pay close attention to that. Normally we receive warnings as soon as something happens in the state and they already know that we should be especially vigilant. My biggest worry is always that someone in the company clicks on something that he shouldn't click on. So that's always the problem. So we got a lot better and Proofpoint was actually very good for us, because many of these things don't even reach the user. So you don't even have the opportunity to click on something. Proofpoint can be pretty aggressive. Yes, that's why we had to reverse it a bit. When we started with it, we were a bit too aggressive. And we thought, you know, I mean, it's great for me. I got about ten emails a day. It was phenomenal. I thought, that's how you have to do it. But we put a lot of domains on the whitelist that were blocked and so on. We are quite good at it. Now it only happens about once or twice a week that an employee reports to my office and says, can you get rid of this from the quarantine? And we look at it and move on from there.

But some time ago I found that Proofpoint emails from me blocked the mailing lists of the committee if my emails contained a link or an attachment. I found a problem for that by using another email address to send it. But there it was in my primary address.

Oh, that looks like a link.

That doesn't have to be. It just has to look like a link and then it gets blocked.

So we got more aggressive after, I think, Beverly, I can't remember the city. There was a case in the spring that allowed everyone to stay inside again, let's say, to try to double our efforts. Do you know that? And hopefully we have separated our backup so far that if we are hit by ransomware, it will theoretically We will keep that in mind and if there is anything that comes from Springfield that we have to think about, we will take care of it. Right?

Yes.

Yes, but it will be interesting to see what the new approach will look like.

Yes. They are developing new attacks. Yes. They have to come up with new defense measures. All right. Is there anything else that counts as public input? If not, then the next agenda will be an update from the city administration.

Yes, the two most important things that we are still working on are the Regional Emergency Communication Centre. We are supposed to issue a letter for this by the end of last week. So we will clearly not be able to do this, but I would say that we should be done with it in the next few weeks, which is pretty exciting. Most of the technology is already in place and is just waiting to be written out and to start the procurement process. The only thing that really matters, what this group directly discusses, is that we will move a fiberglass connection from Westboro and connect it with our fiberglass connection here. So it will run on different strings in the fiberglass, but it will be in the same line. And that will bring us to our Grafton PD and to all our tower locations. All our tower locations will also be equipped with glass fiber. We hope that we can take this into action in the spring. We have to get offers in and do the whole installation, so hopefully we can do it. And that will save us a lot of time and money if we get the fiberglass back-roll connection here. And then the work on the towers will come later. So, do you know that most of your radio communication is currently via copper?

So, does this connection come to our FMR network?

Yes.

Where is the connection?

Did you know that? Yes, we haven't really planned it yet. There are a few possibilities that we have, but ... yes.

You know, I was very involved in the decision where we put it. And we really go far. To Westboro. Right. So I'm interested. We know who we ordered before.

Yes, yes. And it will be such a big project that it has to be written out anyway. So we don't order the same provider as Westboro or Southboro. So we'll see how that develops.

There are now three cities. Last time I heard, there were only two cities.

Nein, es sind seit ungefähr zwei Jahren drei Städte. Und dann hatten wir Treffen mit zwei anderen Gemeinden, die beitreten wollen.

Ich habe online etwas gesehen. Gestern Abend.

Ja. Das hat mich zum Nachdenken gebracht. Wir sind auf dem Weg dorthin. Je näher man dem Umlegen des Schalters kommt, desto mehr Interesse wird man wecken. Denn niemand will die ganze Arbeit machen. Because it is a real effort. I think we will have people who just come and are interested in the WAG and who want to take part in our work. Yes. And that's okay. I already knew that before. But we're making good progress. And then we have another ongoing project, namely the conversion. Namely the conversion. At the moment, the fire department in Grafton is still quite independent. And if you remember when I started, we had great difficulties getting access to the fire department systems. We had big problems.

to modernize them.

When I started in 2021, Vista was still running on their computers. They had a lot of trouble. Trouble. And that's why we cleaned up a lot of it, but some of the old residues have remained. And there is an old server from 2009, on which their data is stored, which has definitely exceeded its lifespan. So what we are doing for the fire department is that we are now working together with its internal voluntary structure for IT and with the IT provider of the city. Therefore, we will use the already used fiberglass connection, but we will use the fiberglass connection back to the community center. They will host everything on our server and they know that we will connect them with our Active Directory and will do all these things. Um, damit beseitigen wir einen ziemlich großen Teil des Risikos, das wir mit ihrer alten Technologie hatten. Und dann haben wir auch alle neuen Laptops für alle Workstations dort oben gekauft, damit sie vollständig modernisiert werden. Das ist gut. Sie waren sozusagen die letzte Bastion. der IT-Silos, die wir vorgefunden haben, als ich 2021 angefangen habe. Sie sind also sozusagen die Letzten, die sich noch wehren. Das ist gut. Und dann sind wir alle unter einem Dach, wir sichern alle an den gleichen Orten, wir verwenden alle die gleichen Firewalls und all das Zeug. Das ist also noch nicht vorbei. Ich denke, dass wir bis Mitte September damit fertig sein werden. Es ist keine große Aufgabe. Nur ein paar Arbeitsstunden. Das ist ziemlich alles. Alles andere ist so ziemlich der Status quo.

Gibt es Fragen an Evan? Schön zu wissen. Schön zu hören, dass wir die letzten Teile da haben. Integrate and modernize old systems with everything else. It's nice to see that this thing is finally done. This is another thing that has been going on for a few years. Yes, I mean, this is now the third year.

Chief Person in Westboro told me that he would stay and would not go to rest until everything was running because he wanted to. He was in a standstill in August and said, yeah, he just said, no, I can't do that. I can't wait that long. So, nice for him, but hopefully it's done before I go to the standstill. That would be, you know.

Yeah, you don't look like you're standing in front of the standstill.

I still have 20 years ahead of me in which I have a kind of countdown clock.

Of course, we have to worry in your case, Evan, that you will eventually move to another city. No. I mean, I'd love it if you'd stay at Grafton for a long time.

Well, we'll see how that develops. Yeah.

Sometimes we don't know. Sometimes people decide to leave us unforeseeable.

That happens quite often. That's half of my job. I hire people. Yeah.

Well, whatever. For the moment, everything's fine, right? Als Stadtschreiberin liebt meine Frau sie wirklich. Ja, als Wahlhelferin.

Ja. Ja, sie ist fantastisch, aber sie hat ein besseres Angebot in Southborough bekommen. Also mehr als wir bieten können.

Im Grunde ein Angebot, das sie nicht ablehnen konnte.

Ja. Was ich mir sicher bin, ist meine Buße dafür, dass ich sie überhaupt hierher geholt habe. Well, she did it. Not that cities treat each other like that.

No, but hopefully she has a new orientation and a better understanding, which she will endure.

Yes, I think so. She has done good work to reorganize the department and bring it back to normal. So, yes, it's a shame, but it is what it is.

Okay, shall we move on to the next agenda item, the AI guideline? I would like to recall that again briefly. In July, we created a design for an AI guideline at our meeting and updated it and updated it. Now, Evan, you should take a look and give us feedback. So here we are.

Also, ich habe mich etwas damit beschäftigt. Es ähnelt offensichtlich Brookline sehr, was gut ist. Denn die haben in Brookline eine hervorragende Richtlinie in der Stellung. So it is a very good document. My only thought, and that is only one thought, is whether it is a guideline of the IT department or whether it is the task of the IT department to work out the framework of a KI guideline and then recommend to the board to take it over. At some points it says that, at other points it is the guideline of the IT committee. So I think that there is a little bit of back and forth in the document.

I think during our discussion about it, we have treated it as a guideline of the city, which is to be approved by the smaller board together with the IT committee. And basically it is a guideline that we recommend to the city. A question I have. The guideline is that the IT department should play a role in the review and evaluation of AI tools. And Mike, one of my questions, and I think some of us have asked ourselves the same question, is whether this is a role that the IT department should have, in your opinion? Yes, I think so.

And I think, I mean, I like, I think what I wanted to add, I think the framework of what we would do is there. I think it's just about transferring the format into what the city has and then creating a mechanism to trigger an examination by the IT committee to give recommendations to each AI tool that the city takes into account. Also, das ist es wieder und ich denke, es ist alles da. Es geht nur darum, es mit dem, was wir anderswo tun, in Einklang zu bringen.

Nun, Will hat viele der Richtlinien vorangetrieben und ein möglicher Ansatz wäre, dass Will den Entwurf, den wir haben, nimmt und ihn im üblichen Format neu formuliert And if we approach it this way, then it could be presented to us for processing and then sent back to us for further inspection and processing if necessary. And does anyone think that this is the right way? Yes, I think so.

Ich würde nur daran denken, dass wir uns, da sich der IT-Ausschuss einmal im Monat trifft, wenn es etwas gäbe, dass unsere Überprüfung bedarf, wahrscheinlich vorrangig damit befassen und es relativ zügig besprechen sollten. Mit einer schnellen Bearbeitungszeit. Ich möchte nicht, dass es ein oder eineinhalb Monate lang liegen bleibt wegen des Zeitplans der IT-Ausschusssitzungen.

Es gibt keinen Grund, der uns dazu zwingt, uns nur einmal im Monat zu treffen. Wir sollten uns auf Anordnung des Vorsitzenden treffen. Denke, das gilt im Allgemeinen für Vorstände und Ausschüsse, die einen regelmäßigen Sitzungsplan haben, aber bei Bedarf berufen wir auch Sondersitzungen ein.

And I think if we bring this back in line with what we are doing now, I would expect that we add a sentence there that gives the emerging problem a little more flexibility. Right. So we just talked at the beginning of this meeting about Springfield and Ransomware. If we knew that something was going on and our provider said that they should immediately take care of it, would we do that and then have this conversation? And if we turn it off, would we turn it off? But we will not endanger the city. denke das ist sehr sehr hypothetisch die meisten dinge die wir in der kommunalverwaltung tun sind nicht sofort umsetzbar sie könnten den vorsitzenden also informieren wenn so etwas passiert richtig Yes, we will, I think, many of the, we have, as I said, some fair, we have some standard formulations that we, you know, where possible, if possible, you know, we can introduce a kind of trigger that examines the chairman within a certain time span. We will look at it. We can add something and then pass it on to you so that you can work it out. But I mean, I don't have any. Well, otherwise, the guidelines are. I mean, I think they are very uncomplicated and they make sense.

I'll let you know. She fulfills her purpose. One of my concerns was to ensure that the guidelines cover the responsibilities of those who use the AI tools. Yes, make sure that this is clear and clear. In my opinion, this is a kind of standard rule, and I have seen this quite consistently in all AI guidelines that we have checked before the design of this guideline. There is really a emphasis on using an AI tool. Verwenden Sie keine geschützten Informationen, von denen wir vielleicht nicht viele haben. Aber einige, ne? Überprüfen Sie immer. Was die KI produziert, auf Genauigkeit. Ich glaube, es gab noch ein oder zwei andere Prinzipien, aber ja, ich weiß, dass wir das in den richtigen Entwurf aufgenommen haben.

And I think that will... I'm looking forward to it, because every month I receive a report about every software that is on every of our computers. Every month something appears that someone shouldn't have, or that he shouldn't have downloaded, or whatever. I think we're a little behind in the development of AI. Everyone has a pen. Einer meiner Büroangestellten hat einen Stift, der die Striche aufzeichnet und dann mithilfe von KI ein getipptes Dokument daraus macht. Ich weiß nicht, ob das ein großes Risiko darstellt, aber ich sage nur, plötzlich passiert das. Das ist eine Sache und dann noch eine und noch eine. Ich denke, es wäre gut, einen Mechanismus zu haben, um das zu überprüfen.

Man möchte ja, dass die Leute nützliche Werkzeuge haben. Und wenn es ihre Arbeit einfacher oder effizienter macht, möchte man einfach sicherstellen, dass das Werkzeug kein inakzeptables Risiko mit sich bringt. Okay, Bob Carroll, du hast dich gemeldet.

Ja, tut mir leid, dass ich zu spät bin. Ich möchte nur kurz auf eine Sache eingehen, die Gavin gesagt hat.

Why are there guidelines or permissive guidelines that allow employees or users to download and install software? What I mean, do they have an MDM tool or something like that? Because there shouldn't be.

Yes, there always seems to be something that is not widely spread, but it happens. You know, here and there or at ... you know, we always have ... We have different providers. You know, suddenly there's another tool that they've uploaded. You know, most of it is pretty harmless stuff that we actually allow. But yeah.

Do you have local administrative rights?

I'm the only one with administrative rights. But, you know, I mean, that's a good point, Bob. I can address that.

Yes, I would talk to your service provider, because he should be able to leave his guidelines and block everything and block everything. So if you need software to perform your tasks, you should send an inquiry, right? A service request. And then you know what's going on and it can be controlled and managed and blah, blah, blah, right?

Yes.

Yes, a lot of it comes from the Microsoft Store, as all these apps are installed in the user context. So you don't need administrator rights to install most of the things that work this way, that work this way. I know that's a problem at my workplace, too. And even some of the AI tools and similar things like Cloth or ChatGPT can be installed in the user context, for which no administrator rights are required. So you would have to have something that actively blocks this to prevent this.

Okay, I'm sorry. Turn right here.

That was a good point.

So I think we'll leave it at that.

I want to present the whole thing a little bit graphically and then bring it back to you. Hopefully we can present it to the board.

So we plan to check the updated guideline design at our next meeting in October. When will that be? October. Where is my October calendar? So the second Wednesday in October will be the 14th. Wenn wir uns das also am 14. Oktober ansehen und feststellen, dass noch weitere Änderungen vorgenommen werden müssen, können wir es hoffentlich bei der nächsten Gelegenheit dem Vorstand vorlegen. Ich gehe davon aus, dass der Ausschuss sich einig ist, dass dies unser weiterer Weg sein wird. Is there anything else about the AI guidelines at the moment? If not, the next agenda item is fraud and defense. We have been fighting for some time with it. I think, Evan, you probably hear about it again and again with these frauds. People get something that looks like a bill from the city. They are told they should transfer money or I don't know, they were even told they should pay with gift cards, but that's it.

Wir wurden mit ein paar Überweisungsanfragen konfrontiert. Das ist wahrscheinlich zwei Jahre her. Das war das nächste, was wir hatten. Und das war jemand, der meine E-Mail gefälscht hatte. Und ich sagte, ich brauche, dass du das überweist. Also haben wir interne Richtlinien erstellt. Wissen Sie, wir haben... We have carried out many trainings in order not to click on things and to check every incoming email to make sure that they come from grafton-ma.gov and not from .net or you already know all these kinds of phishing things. So we have carried out many trainings and we continue to do so annually. Well, it's not yearly, but several times a year. We do it year after year. But what we found out, and I'm sure we're not flawless, so we have to keep working on it and be vigilant. Be it the introduction of financial mechanisms that prevent such things. For example, you can never pay in the city of Grafton with a gift card, which in my opinion nobody would do. But it is now so. Then you know the city administrator is not authorized to request a transfer. So if you get a request from the city administration to transfer money, then we don't have such a process and we don't do it. So we went at it in two ways to try to integrate it into our financial policy, both in our IT policy.

Do you know one of the reasons why we put this on the agenda was the case of applicants for permits? Sie haben Rechnungen geschickt und Sie wissen schon, Ihnen wurde Geld überwiesen. Das ist also sozusagen die andere Seite, der externen Seite. Genau. Ich glaube, Bob hat das gesagt. Haben wir das gerade in der letzten Planungsausschusssitzung gehört? In einer der letzten Planungsausschusssitzungen gab es so etwas. Ja, und unsere internen Kontrollen decken das natürlich nicht ab. Aber wir müssen unsere Antragsteller... on this possibility. I just took a quick look at our website and can't see that our applicants can easily recognize and point out what they can expect from the city in relation to the US budget. I wonder if something is happening. I think it may concern several departments and not just the planning department. that we, if we could maybe make it a guideline or something, could put more effort into making sure that this is always the case when we have an application for a permit or possibly in other situations that I can't think of that could possibly be charged, to pay a bill to the city, that we make them aware of the possibility of this fraud.

Okay. We can definitely take a look at that. Yes, Bob Carroll, you've signed up.

Yes, I'm sorry I'm so busy with these topics.

Let's run Evan, a database, with everyone who received correspondence or signed up for the notifications. Just with everyone who interacted with the city. So that we can send general notifications the way you do it, right? Und erwarten Sie nicht, dass Sie sie sehen?

Ich kann das über die Website tun, wenn sich Leute für verschiedene Listen und Korrespondenzen angemeldet haben.

Naja, wie die Benachrichtigung und all das.

Ja, man kann sich für Benachrichtigungen anmelden. Aber das ist nicht, ich glaube nicht, dass es zwei separate Benachrichtigungssysteme gibt. Eines ist Code Red, eines läuft über unser, Sie wissen schon, ein einfaches E-Mail-Warnsystem. Wir haben also Zugriff auf diese Daten. But if you send a complaint to the board via e-mail, it will not be recorded anywhere.

It will be stored in the corresponding file. Like with VEDA or the business systems? Oh yes, yes. My nose contact lenses? Correct.

That's all there. Um ... Yes, that's all there. I'm just trying to imagine all this via the RW9 process recording and all that stuff.

Um... Yeah, just a thought.

I want to get the impression that I'm trying to be.

No, I have to think about it a little bit, because, uh... You could proactively tell people that you're transmitting exactly the message you want to convey, right? Don't expect us to... Evan... You already know. Give your gift certificate to Monson, right? Right.

So yes, yes. No, that's good. That's a good thank you. I didn't really think about how to use the database for it, but every supplier or recipient would exist there for us, right?

Bob Hain, Bob H. I would be curious how many people we can reach in this way. Do you know what part of our population? Because every day I see, why don't you tell us? Do you know? Oh yes. Why don't I know? And do you know, I bet, one percent.

Yes, I think Bob Carroll talked about it, to pass it on to the suppliers. And do you know, these people, that's part of it, right. And then the application area, I ask myself, Der Bewerberbereich ist ein bisschen anders, weil es verschiedene Möglichkeiten gibt, sich in der Stadt Grafton zu bewerben. Wenn wir das hinbekommen können und wir arbeiten daran, aber es ist so langsam wie Melasse, wenn wir jede Abteilung dazu bringen könnten, OpenGov zu nutzen, dann bin ich sicher, wir könnten eine Art Flagge erstellen, die dir, bevor du auf senden klickst, eine E-Mail oder eine kleine Warnung schickt, die besagt, das erwartet dich als nächstes. You know, the city of Grafton won't send you an invoice. We won't do this. We won't do this. It will probably be made difficult because our application process lacks standardization. Lacks. But maybe this is a good catalyst for us to get faster in this regard.

How do most people pay? Is it by transfer, ACH? How much money do you have on checks for the wedding?

We get checks, we get cash, we get... Really? All of it? Yes, because we are the government, we can't deny you your right. Right.

No, I just know that you have to take it. I just asked myself, do people still use it?

We try to get people to use it, either via the portal or by paying a check. Um, yes. You know, but we still have people. Since I've been here, we've had people come in and pay $20,000 for a building permit. In cash, no. Wir wollen keine 20.000 Dollar in bar im Stadtzentrum haben, denn jetzt müssen wir das schaffen. Ich muss jemanden dazu bringen, ziemlich schnell zu gehen, denn wir haben keine Tresore. Aber das wollen wir nicht. Wir wollen nicht so viel Bargeld herumliegen.

Man will also keine Haftung?

Ja. Ja. Man hat einen Tresor. Wir haben einen Tresor. Aber ja, wir nehmen alle möglichen Formen an. Yes, yes. But I think these are probably the two main reasons, right? The person in the planning committee was therefore an applicant for a permit and not a supplier in itself, but both would be susceptible to this kind of approach.

Yes, I can imagine that this could or could happen to anyone who has applied for a permit from the planning committee, from the zone committee or possibly a construction permit. And how do you do that with the creditor's bookkeeping? Do you do a run-through, a pile processing and then, yes,

I mean, it's also part of the data bank, but I think it would actually run on the Schatzmeister side of the system, because the software is protected by a firewall, you know. We can't do that, because we should actually have a system of mutual control. In this respect, it is probably two-way, and then you probably have to have a three-way balance, right?

The calculation has to match, the amount has to match, yes.

And I mean, we have uncovered a few things. I mean, nothing, nothing big. But we have uncovered a few things where it was close, where our systems worked, which is great. Good. You know, we have uncovered a few calculations that are not real calculations or calculations for work that never took place. You know, they come from suppliers that we use, right? So that's the difficult part. Part. And that's the difficult part, but you know what I mean. Do you know how to get people to do it?

I think that's called cheating.

Yes. But it is, you know, it is a third party who falsifies the concrete supplier, who supplies a lot of concrete.

Oh, so it's not the supplier who makes false statements?

You know, the supplier with whom we have a great working relationship. And then we get a random bill, often over $500 or $1,000. And we do a lot of such work there.

Sure. Pouring concrete is a social matter.

Yes, exactly. And you find out how to do it. And then we have to get the thing under control. We have doubled our efforts with this department. Yes, they are trustworthy providers and we trust the provider. The provider is not the problem. It's about getting people to reinterpret it. I don't think the road construction company is doing anything bad, but if they put a $10,000 bill in a $7 million road construction project, Würde man das vielleicht übersehen, denn das ist eine Menge Geld, das man da bewegt. Ah, geht also darum, die Leute dazu zu bringen, der Sache auf den Grund zu gehen. Aber unsere Buchhaltungsabteilung ist sehr penibel. Ah, also es ist schwer, da was durchzubekommen. But yes, I mean, just to inform people that we will not ask them for money. We will not do that. You know, the city councilor will never ask you for a transfer. You know, nobody, you know, such things will not happen. That is probably the right way to proceed proactively. Yes, and I think we can probably use VADA for a large part.

Yes, one of the things that worries me are people who do not regularly do business with the city. Richtig. Und weißt du, sie beantragen die Genehmigung oder eine andere Dienstleistung, die letztendlich dazu führen wird, dass sie Geld an die Stadt zahlen müssen. Wenn sie nicht damit vertraut sind, wie die Stadt damit umgeht, sind sie potenziell anfällig für diese Art von Betrug. Wir tun also unser Bestes, um solche Leute darüber zu informieren, dass that they can expect exactly that from us and that we will never ask for a transfer and blah blah blah. So that's all we can do to inform this category of people and that would probably be helpful. I'm just asking. You know, I know that we in the planning committee will hear about it forever. That we are waiting for that they send us money for something. It sounds as if there is a communication between the planning committee or the employees and the people out there. How does that work?

I don't know how they do it. But I wonder how it fits into this whole scheme.

Yes, I mean, I think that we

are mostly done via communication channels that we already have, by either calling them or sending them an email. But that's exactly where the risk lies, isn't it? If one of the Christians fakes an email and says, oh, you have to pay for the permission, that's one of the reasons why We want to switch to OpenGov, because this payment process in OpenGov is protected by a third party, who monitors this process properly. So it doesn't matter if you receive an email from Christian who says, send me $1,000. We can literally say, never pay in this way. You can pay through this portal or personally. You can give a check personally or however you want to do it. The portal provides considerable transparency for us. Because the only way this could be generated would be to hack OpenGov and then receive falsified accounts from OpenGov, which we cannot control. But I would expect that you have better procedures and guidelines than we do, because you do it all day.

Yes, and you just have to make sure that your applicants are aware of the fact that you pay the city in this way and not on your own. I know that in the cases that I think the hearing is on Monday, it is Thursday or Friday and it will not take place on Monday, unless you and there are really most Problems with getting the money. Right.

Most of the time, when that happens, people physically bring us by. Do you know what leads to a personal conversation? They actually show up with their cheque and hand it over to the planning office. So that's a lot of it. Because showing up with a cheque that we didn't ask for is of course a warning signal.

Hm. Yes, if I were to commit a fraud, I wouldn't ask for it. ein Check zum Büro des Planungsausschusses zu bringen.

Genau das meine ich, nämlich, dass man das Problem damit umgeht.

Okay, gibt es noch etwas zu diesem Thema? Wenn nicht, ist unser nächster Tagesordnungspunkt die Überprüfung und Genehmigung des Sitzungsprotokolls unserer Augustsitzung.

So beschlossen. Unterstützend.

Beschlossen und unterstützend. Gibt es eine Diskussion über den Antrag? Keine Wortmeldungen, Herr Carroll.

Entschuldigung, ich habe mich stumm geschaltet. Ja, ich. Das war ich.

Herr Clark. Ich. Herr Asinger. Ja. Herr Meinert.

Ja. Herr Robbins stimmt mit. Der Antrag wird einstimmig angenommen.

The next agenda item is a possible non-public meeting, a routine item that we always put on the agenda. But as far as I know, there are no topics that this committee has to discuss as part of a non-public meeting. Even if Evan has a surprise for us.

I have a question for you, Dave.

I have seen some board members' agenda items for non-public meetings. It's more about the topic. You know, a specific case or something specific. And I'm not sure how much of it has to do with the agenda. Just think about it. Because you received a general message. Yes, yes, I realize that we don't necessarily need this general, possible non-public meeting for every agenda item, but If we know in advance that there is a topic for a non-public session, then, and only then, we will put it on the agenda. I can't remember exactly when or why I started this a long time ago. Es ist schon eine Weile her. Es ist mir einfach zur Gewohnheit geworden, das immer mit aufzunehmen. Aber wenn Sie es wissen, kommt das im Allgemeinen nicht in letzter Minute auf. Falls doch, kann ich bei Bedarf eine geänderte Tagesordnung einführen. Aber ja, es nimmt viel Platz auf der Tagesordnung ein und kostet Zeit in der Sitzung. If there is no objection, I will no longer put this in the agenda. Unless I am informed in advance that we have a non-public meeting to discuss. Come on. Come on, that's our last one. Yes.

Supported. Submitted and supported that the meeting is postponed. Mr. Carroll.

Carroll, I say. Mr. Clark.

Ich.

Herr Hasinger. Ich. Herr Reminat. Ich. Und Herr Robbins stimmt mit ich. André Bedeinstimmiger. Der Hund. Wir vertagen uns.