Information Technology Committee - Regular Meeting

[Music] All righty. This is the April 2nd, 2025 meeting of the IT committee. I'll call the meeting to order and we'll take a roll call. Um Bob Hassinger, I'm here. Amar Clark, we have to hear you. No, we have to hear you. That's Mark. Mark, I'm here. Yeah, sorry. Double mute. All right. Dave Robbins is here and Bob Carroll is in the process of joining. All right, we're just doing the roll call. Bob Carroll. Is Bob Carroll present? Yes. Can you guys hear me? Yes. Yes. What's that? Yeah. Yes. Yeah, we hear you, Bob. Okay. Yeah, my headphones weren't showing up on the audio thing. Yeah. And joining us tonight from the town staff, town administrator's office is assistant town administrator William Blake. Good evening everybody. Good evening. Hello. So we'll begin with our unusual agenda. Um public input. Uh if there is anybody from the public attending this meeting now and wish us to speak to a matter that's not already on the agenda, now would be the time. We do not have any Zoom attendees. Uh, and unless one of us has a matter that should count as public

input, think I will take it that there is no public input and proceed to All right. momentarily distracted and proceed to our agenda. Uh the first agenda item was an an update on the matter of the insecure web links which we've talked about at our previous meeting. Uh it was originally brought up in back in February. And I'll note for the record, I was I kind of dropped the ball on that for a while, but I did send out an email to William and Evan a couple of days ago raising the issue and I think I copied you all on the email and I heard from William by email this afternoon that uh they are pursuing forwarding the issue to Civic Plus. Um you anything anything else you want to comment on at this point on that William? Uh just that it's been kicked over to them and they have already responded. Um they asked for some screenshots which I provided to them from the committee. Uh so they are actively working on that issue. Very good. Good. I think as as we in our meetings previously, our discussions are we've commented that uh sometimes we don't notice that or you know people might not notice that but for those who do pay attention uh and getting a warning about an insecure link to the town website is at the very least it's a bad look and it may as I said in the email may put someone off uh on my computer for reasons I have not been able to figure

about when I open that insecure link in Apple Mail, it somehow transforms it into a secure link by the time it gets to my web browser. So, uh depending on which method I use for reading those emails, I either do or do not see the uh insecure link. But, yep. And I so I watched the entirety of last meeting for this committee um and I tried it in Google. It worked as a secure link for me, but I think Bob Carol, you pointed out that if you bump it over to other browsers like Edge or Firefox, that's where you start to run into issues. So, I raised that point with Civic Plus directly. Yep. So, and if you look at the link that actually goes out, you can see that it's just HTTP. So, so that means that the browser is doing its thing and it's not actually in the code of the HTML. Yep. And so yeah, I think you you certainly if the ball is now in Civic Plus's court, we will we will see what they do in response. We'll sort of Yeah. If nothing else, we'll expect to hear more at our next meeting. Yep. If not sooner. If not sooner. Yep. So that's basically anything else on that particular issue? I think we we we kind of beat that one almost to death at our last meeting. Now, I I just be curious anything you hear back like this magic transforming from insecure to secure. Well, any clues about where that's coming from or how that's working. I last thing you want is for your browser to be hiding an insecure link. And I don't know him. I I'm just curious. Yeah. I just I I I spent quite a bit of time

digging through trying trying to fi find out where the transformation was taking place on my end on my computer and I just you I I couldn't I couldn't nail it down. So you use Opera. Yeah, I was using, you know, I'm on a a Mac and my my the Apple Mail client seems to transform that link into a secure link before it ever gets to the browser. I was I was trying to see if maybe Safari was doing something to it, but no. In fact, no matter which browser I pointed to, Apple Mail seems to transform the link into an HTTPS link by the time it gets to the browser. If I'm using something other than Apple Mail to read it to read the mail and click on the link, it gets to the browser as an insecure link. Yeah, it doesn't I don't think anything converts an insecure link to a link. Might edit the text of the link, but it doesn't make an insecure link secure. Yeah. for for reasons I was not able you know I I spent at least an hour or two digging trying to trying to dig through it for reasons I could not understand in the email it is an HTTP link but when I click on the link the link by the time the browser sees it it's an HTTPS link I don't know where that transformation happens anyway and you know without without trying to figure that any further. I guess let's uh move on here. Uh the next agenda item is a just a general update from the town administrator if there is anything that uh Evan gave you William to pass on to

the committee. Evan, I asked Evan and he didn't have anything we that he passed back to me to pass on to the committee. Nope. I spoke to him this afternoon. He still did not have anything to pass on. Yeah. Evan Evan's sort of busy with the budget these days. Only a little bit. So, yeah. Yeah. So that moves us on to the main topic of the meeting this evening which is we've been labeling it as an IT policy discussion but as we've been discussing it over the last several meetings it really seems to encompass more than just strictly speaking uh it policies and so u I don't know William if you have anything that you wanted to you know kick off the discussion with on that topic uh based on what you and Evan may have talked about. Uh so only one thing I wanted to touch on again watching last meeting the discussion was had about whether or not new employees receive the IT policies for review. Um they do they get those through employee forwards during onboarding. So they do have to read those and sign off on them both electronically and physically. Uh so we do have the opportunity any additional IT policies that may be created we can always throw those in there for review as well. Yep. Okay. Yeah. So beyond that um we do have a general template for policies that's already standardized. So for me personally I feel like it's just a matter of finding out what the committee would like to see first and moving in that direction. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So that you know that sort of that does answer some of the some of the questions we've had or the topics we talked about. But so I'm I

think from my perspective at least I kind of you we kind of need to you talk about how we want to proceed. You know we've got you know an IT policy you know sort of a kind of cover covers a number of topics. We got basically one IT policy document um and sort of another IT related we have a I think we separately we have a social media policy uh but that's really that's pretty much what we have right now and we've talked about at our you several meetings recently we've you know we've got kind of a list of other you additional policy topics that may be worthwhile. So one direction that we can go with this is to uh take the policies we have and and yeah the policies we have plus uh a a list of potential policy topics and try to nail down what we want to address in policy. But as we've discussed in over the past several meetings, uh we may want to be considering policies in in the context of a somewhat larger framework, something along the lines of a strategic plan or the cyber security framework, some some sort of a broader context that will help us to help to help to guide the policy development, help to identify identify what policies are important, what else we might need to, you know, we might want to have in place to inform some of the policies. Um, Bob Carroll had u mentioned forward sent an email to me earlier today about the the

common the commonwealth uh community compact where they have a a set of best practice areas that uh that may be worth looking at. It reminded me that some years back, somewhere around the 2015 2016 time frame, we did a community compact with the state on business continuity. I don't know. I know the the committee talked about it some. The two of Bobs will remember that, I think. I don't I don't think we ever saw the final result of that. you I have I found a couple of documents on my computer that related to it but neither one of them but one of them was sort of an initial you know an agreement between the town and the state on what on pursuing that another was a document that seemed to be sort of a work in progress on the business continuity but I don't recall where that ended up and that may be long enough ago that it's at best might be somewhat out of date sure there there have to be records on that somewhere in the office, William, but I don't know that where that is, but but there are some other best practice areas that are that may be worth pursuing through the community compact. What do they call the community compact cabinet? So, I it's probably we probably let me see I miss anything on my notes. Yeah, I think we want to try to set some uh some sort of expectations or you how do we want to proceed through this topic? Uh is it enough for right now just to take a few policy topics and work on that

or do we like do do we want to oh the other thing we I think I mentioned the the idea of some sort of an IT strategic plan. I f did find something in uh in this committee's notes or that was in in my folder about this committee. I don't remember where it came from. Uh there was a copy of a of a an IT strategic plan from Nantucket. So that was sort of that was developed by an outside consultant who looked at looked at their IT organization and the state of things and had some some recommendations for kind of a longer term strategic plan for you know various things that they and I think at one of our recent meetings we were wondering whether uh whether you know William Euan or Evan had any contacts in in other towns that might have something like a strategic plan for their it might be a model that we could use. So that I I I guess I'd like I'd like for us to figure out where we want to go with all that. There's there's potentially a lot there and I I don't want to bite off more than we can chew, but at at the very least, do we have a starting point that we uh that we can that we can say we're going to we're going to move forward in this, this, and this. Any thoughts? Anybody? I'm kind of rambling on here. Sorry about that. So, Dave, if I can just respond to two of the things you said? Yes. Uh, one in regards to other communities. Um, we have a ton of contacts across Lora County and even for some place like Nantucket, it's as easy as just sending them an email. Um, I've personally never had a community say no when we've asked for a document or an example policy. As for and so we'd be happy to

do that. Um, as for sort of a long-term strategic plan, we will be going back out to bid in the next couple of months for our IT supply. That contract is up. So that's something we could always roll into the bid documents uh if that's something the committee would have appetite for. Anybody have any thoughts on that? Um, so this is definitely one of my hot buttons and you know without the the road map right where you're going to go um you're just kind of like you know cherry-picking right and um picking at this and that. So I I think you need that framework and you need that strategy um to figure out and I got to believe it, you know, similar towns with similar demographics, right, and similar needs that they're probably pretty standard, you know, at least the table of contents and the sections and that, you know, we could just um basically um lift and repurpose it for draft and without you know, a whole lot of work, right? Um, and you know, let let me ask kind of a loaded question. So, you know, in the modern world, especially now, you know, AI is really big, right? Is is there any guidance or policy on what employees can do and use like chatgp or you know Gemini or and none that I have seen but I also haven't looked too deep so it might be out there and it's just not mainstream in the municipal world. Yeah, because um you know that anything you post post in there really you know

the safe zone is it really has to be public information right not anything that's related to the town or whatever um or anything with privacy concerns and we certainly want wouldn't want you know town employees engaging and using those tools right um to do any of functions or part of their job so you know, cuz like Google um Gemini, you know, it'll go in and um I think you guys are all Outlook, right? And Exchange and Microsoft. Yeah. So, um there's this pilot. Do you guys use that at all to like summarize email to do meetings? I know Microsoft pushes that co-pilot. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So there probably should be, you know, that's kind of a new and evolving area and that would be something, you know, where I would imagine the town would want to come out, right, with some guidelines on, you know, that it's all remote or some of it, right? Or whatever, you know, whatever you usual and customary, I guess, would be the the guidance there. And that you could fit that right into your I think at one time it was an acceptable use policy, right? Uh like an acceptable use for technology in general. Yeah. Yep. So that's the one that um new employees have to be. Right. Right. So that would be kind of the natural place to tuck that in there. Uh, so just a quick glance, Boston and Lebanon, New Hampshire have generative AI use policies. Sure. Right. So that would be something you could I would think lift, right? They

probably just have a couple of paragraphs, you know. Yeah. Prohibitive. Yeah, that that that's that's a good example of a of a policy topic that wouldn't have come up three or four years ago. Exactly. It is now it is now very definitely something relevant. So in terms of a road map uh which you know may may be not quite the same thing as you might call a strategic plan but a road map is a little bit perhaps a little bit more informal but it's a description of where we you know what we would need or want to do both in terms of policies and maybe a little bit more generally about how we you know how we manage our IT operation and some of that probably could be reasonably um included with our next IT service contract. Don't know. So, hold on. That's where I was going to kind of go with this because you brought it up, William. So in the next RFP, are you guys putting out there, you know, more of these types of services or more, you know, what you had, help desk, break fix, you know, upgrades, patching. Uh the document as it stands right now is an extension of what we're already doing. So the help desk, break fix, having somebody on site two or three days a week to assist um staff when issues come up. And so it's it's not so much sort of long-term. So that's a gap, right? We don't have that leadership and governance, right? And you know, essentially what a CIO would be doing or a

CTO because um you're just kind of like picking around the edges here instead of looking at the big picture. Yeah. We're we're at a compared to some communities, we're at a perhaps a bit of a disadvantage because we don't have dedicated IT staff. We don't have our own IT department as such, right? A lot of towns do. They have they have an IT IT department at at least minimally with an IT director or it's on some basically on the town staff and ultimately the UK takes the primary responsibility for the IT operation. Um, yeah, very probably oftenimes contracting out for the for the day-to-day operations and maintenance and for equipment installations, but somebody on town staff who is sort of the one who is primarily responsible overall for the operation. We don't have that. I mean, you know, William and Evan. So, what does this sort of have that responsibility, but it's what what does Jay do? The school has an IT department. They have dedicated in-house IT staff. And do they have someone that kind of fits that role like a CIO, CTO? I'm not overly familiar with their organizational structure, but yes, I believe so. Yeah, I think I think I think Neil Neil and Neil is still there. Farts. He he was anyway, but he was kind of uh more or less an IT director, right? And that kind of leads into the compact, you know, the community compact, one of the leading practices or recommended practices, shared services, right? So,

is there any appetite for that between, you know, the school departments and the municipal side of the house? We haven't had that conversation in a couple of years. Um, we could always restart it. I know four the budget. It's very timely. Yep. Four fourish fiveish years ago kind of when I first came on board. I know there wasn't an appetite, but a lot can change in that time. Yeah. You know, Bob, Bob and Bob, you guys, I think remember that uh a number of years ago, we did try to collaborate with the school department and uh yeah, I think we had some meetings. I don't know how I don't think it got that far. There was a lot of push back and why we couldn't do it, right? Yeah. I think to the best that I can remember the the issues included uh the differences in the technology infrastructure between the the two parts of the organization and the amount of time that the uh you know the school department you know their IT staff didn't it turned out they didn't have sufficient time really to uh devote to the municipal side of the it now that may or may not have changed change that was quite a number of years ago. Now, um it's probably worth at least circling back and exploring the possibility. Yeah, because the landscape's changed, right? You know, yeah, there's not as much, you know, we don't have the servers, right? We're not doing it. Most of the stuff is pushed up to the cloud. Um, and you know the um the compute part, right? Um, what do they have all over there? Um, they're Chromebooks or Pixelbooks. Is that what they're using?

Chromebooks. Tablets, right? And iPads. Yeah. Oh, they still have iPads, I think. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. as I recall they were very much oriented around the uh the the Google infrastructure whereas uh on on Evans side of the house it's more around off Microsoft 365. So I just that's probably for lack of a better term an irreconcilable difference but I I don't really know and and I don't know what the what you know Neil and company or whoever is currently occupying that position in the school side whether what what what they might be able to do but uh yeah particularly in these, you know, we're not going to hire an IT director anytime soon, right? No, I I get that. So, so yeah, at least at least it would be worthwhile to have some discussions with Jay and uh you sort of try to try to you know basically look take another look and see what the possibilities might be and it it may turn out to be that there's really nothing we can do there but uh it would be good for at least for us to be able see what we can get. Maybe maybe not maybe some good ideas. I don't know. But uh you know that that would be something sounds like it'd be something worth worth revisiting at least. Yeah, I'd be happy to have a conversation drain this week and next week whenever we can get time. Yep. you know, if if it doesn't make it in this budget, it's something still to look uh because there's a lot

of looking for ways to squeeze, right? And uh maybe between more need to find a way and changing technology, maybe uh we get a little more progress, you know, towards something. Yeah. I was just looking at the um the website real quick. Um you know there's like seven or eight people on staff over there now. Some of them are doing I'm saying reporting and you know submitting stuff to the state and all that but I mean definitely worth at least you know having a conversation right. Yeah. Yeah. certainly true that their their IT operations serves as a very different user community from what ours would be. Um they've got you know something like I don't know 4 or 500 staff and 3,000 students and and all all the IT processes that that deal with you teaching staff and students and all that. It's it's a very different user community from what the uh you know what Evan's side of the house would have. I I do wonder though it may be a question of skill sets. You know, you got all those people who uh use the tools that schools using versus we use different ones. You know, I don't may not you may have I had the feeling at some point that we heard that way back when you were talking. Yeah, that does ring a bell. Anyway, I mean it's got Yeah. So that that is right. So that so there is a topic for for some further

exploration. um the idea of reaching out to other communities to to uh see what they have for road mapaps as trick plans, you know, something that will help to uh help to inform us as to what we need to do what what we what we might need to do that we're not currently doing as far as overall planning for it as far as particularly the you know the topic of policies come comes to comes to mind. You get yeah having a better idea of what our longer term roadmap and vision is would help us to f focus more on the policy work that we need to do. So um I was just looking on their site and they have a technology plan for 23 through 27. So even our schools has it. Um, if you want I don't know, David, could you enable um comments or chat on here? I'll paste a link in there. Yeah, I I'm not sure I can do that while while we are in session. Yeah, what why email is my friend? Okay, I'll send it over. But yeah, I mean this, you know, it's definitely geared towards schools and you know what they do and you know Yeah. whole thing. But I mean the fact is they have one. Yes. So, so while the details may be different for them and that the the overall structure of the kinds of things that are included in that five-year plan are are going to be similar to what we ought to have for a five-year plan for I keep wanting to call it our I guess it is sort of our side of the

organization but even though it's one town but yeah yeah so they say Chromebooks Yeah. Yeah. But oh, I don't know where where the and um you know, they talk about replacing a bunch of switching and infrastructure and um you know, they've got more audiovisisual that kind of gear over there. Obviously, the smartboards and all that stuff. Yeah. But they've got desktop computers 30 that they're going to replace 30 of those. Yeah. So, I mean, I've got strategic and tactical things in here. Yep. And I I can remember Evan having mentioned you fairly you in one of our recent meetings that he's he's been pretty comfortable that we have a we we have a pretty solid plan for that kind of for for replacing and updating laptops and desktops. I think he uh I think he was you a little bit less confident that we have a we have a good sort of a long-term plan for server updates and replacements. But uh I think surveys was one of the topics that Evan thought we needed to uh to uh you know flesh out a little bit more in our long-term plans. But yeah, so it's good. Thank you for finding finding that Bob that yeah that is is a very close to home example of what we might be looking for similar examples from other towns of the same sort of thing a five-year technology plan you know covering you know the the year-to-year stuff the regular upgrades and replacements plus longer term goals and and directions yeah is so I think if we had some several examples of that. I think that would help help to put together the the the right sort of a plan for Evans organization and within that that would

like I said before I think that would u be of some help in guiding some policy development you know so and I mean we've Evan had you know sort of diverting to the more specific topic of policies Evan had had obtained policies from some other towns. Uh and he had said this must go back a year or two that you know the policies he got from Grten. You know he he thought that was a fairly a fairly good set of policies although we we talked about that a little bit of our one of our last couple of meetings and there were some details there that you know some of their policies wouldn't be applicable to us but again you know identifying policy topics that we need to address. I think we we have some ideas I think that that we could we could work on even even before we developed that 5year or longer term direction. So I'm you're um Blake W. William. Yes sir. Yeah. definitely Google shop. I can tell by looking at this policy and the um interaction that this is all work Google workforce. So it sounds like maybe they've gone away from the whole, you know, Apple um space and world and um now they're all Google. I think they they make it essentially free. Yeah, it kind of ecosystem

a number of years ago the schools had uh you know done a large buy of iPads and then more recently I think I do remember hearing them that they were moving away from iPads and on to Chromebooks. Right. And I probably don't even buy them. They probably lease them and flip them because those Chromebooks have like a planned obsolescence. You know, they probably upgrade them so many times. Yeah. Yeah. My my my grandkids in the in the Franklin schools, they were they were all on Chromebooks. Yeah. All right. You guys have it. It's in the ether on its way. Thank you. All right. So can I take away from this discussion at this point that uh we've got a couple of initiatives that we're going to go on. One is to reopen the conversation with the schools and and explore whatever opportunities there may be for collaboration or shared services that we've got one example and then William can reach out to other towns for comparable examples of you know five-year plans or road maps for it. And at this point, do we want to say let's let's pursue those avenues before we get too deeply into specific policies or is there some specific policy work we think we should be proceeding with? Um, well, we know acceptable use. I mean, everyone has that. So, I mean, if you want to take that one on too, David, because you know that that was not going anywhere. Yeah, that's right. That's that's something that's not heavily dependent upon the specific technologies that we're going

to be using or how we expect technology to evolve or change over time. acceptable use. As we touched on earlier, though, there are some there are some things that probably now belong in an acceptably used policy that didn't used to. That may continue to evolve. But if we can if we can, for example, look at look at the policy we have, which is it covers acceptable use and other things, other topics. We could look at the acceptable use component of that compared to, you know, some of the other policies that were posted on the SharePoint. They included some acceptable use and think about maybe for come prepared in our next meeting to uh recommend some updates to the acceptable use policies. That's is that the direction you want to go in? Uh we certainly can. Is that something you can share, William? Uh, yes, for sure. Okay. And what what do you guys use? Is that like a word document? Uh, it's a PDF on the website, but I can send everybody the link. Okay. Um, if you if you throw it in that folder that Evan has, we have um he provisioned us um like a one drive. Yep. I can do that. I I will do it just for and um if you could um either on your end or you know I have office convert it to something that we could collaborate you know where is um Acrobat PDFs not so that okay then we can make you know kind of

like what David you we do it with the um NASA planning right you put in comments and make suggestion edits. How we've been going through that with Fiona. Well, probably how you guys do all your decisions, right, for planning board and everything. Yeah. Yeah. what we've what we've what we've done for you I'm thinking both of you what we do in planning basically Fiona will post a for we'll post a document like a draft decision right we will we will each review that offline and then at at the meeting where we deliberate the decision we'll share our comments but you know sh you know basically sharing comments within the within the committee uh in between meetings would be considered a deliberation and violation of open meeting law. So we have to be careful about about commenting back and forth in between meetings. Yeah. I think mo most of what I've seen has been edits that um Fiona and maybe the applicant have um provided. I some of them rather uh hard to but we're not this isn't a decision right no one we're not that kind of a body so this is just purely creating a document right yeah so just you know just I mean you know typically we've on the planning board and I'm I'm thinking too of you know we're kind of a similar situation with the master plan working group where we have we have documents that we you know are shared with the group and uh you know we can we review those individually in between

meetings uh and typically we've been sharing those as as PDFs PDFs are sometimes difficult to comment on uh sharing it as a you sharing a word document and then uh you know each of us individually you know editing the Word document with change tracking and then bringing those back together. That's something that could be done. Well, yeah. And you could do it right in it and then like I would see yours, you would see mine and everyone can read through it. Yeah, I guess that kind of collaborative editing is that is that allowed, right? Or would we have to make a separate copy for each person and then combine them after? I think we would need to make a separate copy and then consolidate. I think if you were all working on the same document that might constitute deliberation under the open meeting law that right that that we would want to avoid but uh yes if we distributed a word document and each one of us edited the word document uh one or you could work around that but yeah and I know uh I I have at times when again going back to how we've done things on a planning board uh with in some cases uh Fiona or Natalia shared a sent me a word a word document and I've marked it up with with changes and sent it back to them you know that's the collaboration between a board member and staff is not an open meeting law issue but you I know we've we I think On occasion, Fiona and Natalyia and I have

have collaborated and uh um via change tracking in a word document. But again, it's just sending a copy of the word document, doing the edits, and sending it back. Okay. Well, I'm sure we can get this piece sorted out. So, okay. I I will send it to each of you as a word document. Um and if there are Since you have edits, feel free to send it back to me with track changes and I can consolidate it for the next meeting. Okay, that work. So, so are we all set as far as this work is going for now? We've got three things. Talk with Jay about collaboration and shared services to whatever extent that might turn out to be feasible. uh collect five-year plans, strategic plans, road maps, whatever you want to call them. We've got the one from the school department. Uh we can collect a, you know, reach out to some other towns that are kind of comparable to us. You get some more examples of that and then suggest changes for the acceptable use policy. Is that everything? So, are you are you going to call them, William? Is that how you do it or you just do it by email? We do it by email. Yeah, we have a list of comparable communities by population, by budget, by a whole bunch of different things. And then we've got I know they used to have a list serve with all different, you know, you've had like all the town administrators had a list serve and then you had the tech guys had a list serve. They don't do they do that anymore? No. Uh MMA may still run one of those, but we have sort of just adopted the practice of reaching out directly and

you just email back and forth. Yep. Okay. So, all right. Are we set with all that for the moment? we feel more feels more like we have a a a more definite plan forward than we've than we've been talking for the last several meetings. But yeah, I think yeah, I think I think we're at a point where we wanted to sort of nail down a couple of specific items to uh work on as we move forward. And you said you were going to do something with that RFP. Is um what's your timing for that? hoping to finalize it and get that publicized within before the end of April. Oh, okay. Because I was going to say you could I know in the past Evan has sent it out in a similar manner for comments and feedback. Um I was going to suggest do that our next meeting but you know that wouldn't be till May. So um does the committee always meet the first Wednesday or does it kind of shift a little? That's been our our regular schedule is first Wednesday. Okay. Um yeah, I I think that we can push it that extra week to 10 days to get the committee feedback. That' be the seven, right? Yep. Yeah. Okay. I think we saw the last two or three, right? Anyway, the RFPs I could only speak to the last one. We've only done one during my tenure in Grafton, right? Yeah. Yeah. If I remember right,

um back in Evans first year here, I think, uh he went out to uh CMD sort of on an ad hoc basis because there wasn't time to uh for do a formal RFP and then the following year we we did the RFP and now that RFP is up for renewal. So, all right. So, we'll look we'll we'll look at uh reviewing the RFP next month and following up on the other items that we've talked about and uh then we'll move continue to move along from there. Then for for tonight, is there anything else on the uh the the IT policy and related matters topic? We've got a pass. We've got a we've got a work plan here. That's good. Well, if there's nothing else, then our next agenda item is previous meeting minutes. When I was preparing the minutes for tonight from the March meeting, I noticed that I had missed out on something that I was supposed to write into the minutes for the February meeting. So, I've got a revised February meeting minutes for approval and March meeting minutes for approval. I move we approve both. Second. All right. Moved in a second. Any discussion? Hearing none. Mr. Carol's eye. Mr. Clark. I. Mr. Hassinger. I

And Mr. Robbins votes eye. Motion carried unanimously. Um just for the record, who seconded that? Was that Amar or Bob? Was Bob. All right. And our our agenda always includes a possible executive session, but I'm not aware of any topic tonight that requires an executive session. So I move we got a motion we adjourn. Seconded. All right. Move in a second that this meeting be adjourned. Mr. Carol I. Mr. Clark. I. Mr. Hassinger. I. Mr. Robbins votes I. Motion carried unanimously. We are adjourned. Thank