Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

Uh, it is 602. Okay, then I guess it is time to bring this meeting to order Dana. Yes, he's online. Oh, that's right. We got to do roll call first. I'm sorry. Roll call us, please. Okay. Okay. So, we have chairman Tracy Quick here, please. Vice Chair Mary Lowry, present. Commissioner Justin Oavdo has not joined the meeting yet. Uh, Commissioner Art Warren, present. and Commissioner Debbie Cox. We do have a quorum of zoning commission.

All right. with this. So, this is a public hearing in consideration of a request for planned area development of PAD zoning overlay district to allow an 84 foot tall wireless communication tower in the C2 intermediate commercial zone as described in the PAD application for plus or minus 10 acres of land located at 2432 East US Highway 60 APN 206-4-007E case number Z-26-01. Dana, take it away.

Excellent. You got to thank you so much commissioners for hearing this item this evening. Uh we've been in communication with the applicant at uh probably since uh late last summer uh who came to us and said we would like to build this uh cell tower over Walmart site and uh as you know and I think I point out in the staff report we don't the city has not adopted a wireless facilities ordinance that there's specific code that communities adopt to address that unique use and it's evolved over time. Um, fortunately, again, as I point out in the staff report, this particular application is really consistent with a lot of best practices, most all best practices that I either writing uh wireless facility ordinances or processing their application. Here we have an application. The best mechanism to get this approved though we could probably updated by now. I do know we I recall we had discovery kind of discussion or presentation uh I think right after we got with them back probably in November or earlier. Anyway, uh long story short, this PA a reszone overlay that specifically identifies this is an allowed use very specific and tailored to the proposal uh would be the best mechanism to bring it forward. So it is a reasonzoning as you mentioned. Um after consideration your discussion my presentation possible presentation discussion with the applicant you can open up the uh meeting to a public open up public hearing uh and receive testimony from any members of the public uh that are like to speak. So with that I will hop in and show you get you oriented to the site and the project.

And we're right here. As you know, uh this is the Walmart site and uh do the lawn and garden uh area outdoor enclosed area to the east of the Walmart. And then basically where this you see this covered picnic table there right now um at this location where cell ground equipment and towers intend to be located. I'll quickly just get you oriented the uh zoning. This is all all the red here that you see is the commercial zoning district or C2. coincidentally the C3 district which is said to be a more intense district which happens to be most of the downtown has a 100 foot height regulation uh limit and I I think that's be likely to allow the cell towers that we do have downtown I you know obviously we haven't had a lot of interest in 100 foot you know 10tory buildings u but I sense that that might have been how that may have occurred in the past I have no idea But anyway, C2 has a 30 foot maximum height. This proposal is for an 84 foot tall mono pole. And they call it a mono pine because it has a stealth application covering the uh uh upper antennas with a faux pine tree. And then there's a zoom in on the site. And again in the black area there is where you are where this zoning effectively would apply. Uh right in the center of the dot and these dimensions showing distance of the property lines that is the actual full base location anticipated full base location and those the shortest distance

is the east property to set back to a property line is to the east which is about 108 ft away. Uh one thing we used to really focus on in reviewing cell towers uh is that well should this tower collapse we want to make sure it doesn't affect the rideway or any public or any other private property fall off site and obviously with all the feeds doesn't but technology is such today that these uh monopoles are designed to collapse uh should they should they have some structural fail I've never heard of a failure u but I do know that That's how the structure was designed. And just to put it into perspective, I'll go ahead and forward through to a couple other. So that's the location. Um, and then this would be a ground equipment with a 8ft screen wall and view obscuring gate and then also landscaping at the base of that that ground equipment or that that CE wall. The proposal is for collocation to allow up to I think they can have up to three or four providers on this tower and that is again a best practice. We want the more providers. Back in the day you would get a full location and it's a single user tower and then about 800 feet away somebody else would come in and try to locate and locate another tower. Then you got obviously a lot of towers uh and that visual impact you know obviously uh is less desirable. So today we encourage and require collocation um to ensure that multiple providers don't need to go get their own polls. They can add their intents to the same poll. And that's very similar to what we have in our downtown right now. We've got about two I know of three cell towers in the community within the city proper. Um and I I'll just point that out that

mentioned city proper. Um the red area is all incorporated city of uh Globe. Anything not in color is uh Ko County. And then obviously over towards uh Miami to the uh further to the west you see the mine directly across the street close Miami or Miami High School apologize uh behind and then the railroad tracks about 200 foot wide rideway. Um I think the closest distance to this uh I think it's the parking structure from that monopole is about 600 ft uh to the Miami High School um first structure. Uh you're Miami Gardens that rests on the east slope uh below the east slope uh and foothill here on the opposite side of Miami High School. I think the foothills and elevation there will likely screen most of that. They might see that pine tree uh portion of the application above that ridge line, but chances are I don't think they can see that they'll be able to see that that hole. Uh anyway, as I mentioned also in your report, um all property owners within 300 ft have been notified of this request. Uh as well as I'll held a an advertised and citizen review meeting on the property on uh the 25th uh which we had no attendees and then um public hearing was placed as well for this public hearing as well as the citizen review meeting um and in addition to mailing the neighbors the information. Um, so back to the proposal,

uh, mentioned, let's see here, there's a blow up of the location and kind of where how the ground equipment is mounted or is set. Uh, so a perimeter wall again, parking area access. They're going to depress the curb here so they can have easy vehicle access to back up and manage and maintain the system. I think you saw in maybe the applicant narrative they anticipate about once a month visit to the site to ensure all you know maintain the uh the facility. Uh and then that's the pole base right here and this would be the SCES that controls it. And again that sliding gate which I have an image of at the end of the uh uh your exhibit A uh it shows geering flats which is also something we you know we don't want to have to see uh that mechanical equipment. Um overall the area it's basically right next to a wash that most of the water that falls on this side of the property Walmart property ends up being conveyed through uh through the wash uh adjacent to the property uh that uh elevation of the monine and equipment and again about 84 ft to that highest point. So they're calling out landscape. They're proposing creasso to wrap up the base of the wall with creasso.

And then also we requested that they prepare photo simulations to give us a sense of what these images look like. And as you can see as we go through them, we're moving from one and headed east uh around town. just give you a sense of of what that visual impact could potentially be. There you go. Um I think it's close. That building right now is probably 35 ft tall. So double that height. I think the photo simulation is probably close to accurate in this image. And here we are getting in front of Walmart directly between Walmart and the u mine. Uh and then finally looking from Ragus Road uh back from the residential property or it's not a residential property. There's a home one home on commercial land. I think that same homeowner owns all the commercial land around it as well. We have had discussions in in the distant past uh with that property owner on potential uses, but nothing's ever come to fruition. So that's it. And then again, uh like I mentioned, behind this camera shot is Foothill. And then on the opposite side of that would be um uh the uh my Miami Gardens community. So with that, staff has outlined a list of stipulations in the staff report. Uh again, that are very similar. If we had an ordinance in place, it would likely contain very similar language outside the PAD portion of just that maintenance should it become uh inoperate or no

longer in use. They have a criteria requiring the removal of that um cell tower and again it's customary information uh that most communities would apply to these applications. Um this is also type plan approval if you will. Uh we like to you know uh exped or uh uh consolidate those processes in your time and have those considered all together. Um so with that uh this will be ordinance number 896. Um, should you wish to make a recommendation uh to city council to approve, we'll draft that ordinance and have that before them um at their uh I think it's the 24th to 25th uh meeting of this month. Uh um so again, staff is recommending approval with the stipulations shown in your staff report. Happy to cover those if you'd like. Be happy to respond to any questions you have.

Dana, I just have one. I just want to clarify that the the one home, is it actually occupied or it's just owned by the person that has the land around it? I couldn't tell you if it's occupied right now. I it was at the time. I know it might have been a rental um they were notified of the property. There's also a sign uh advertising this uh on the frontage of Ragus Road here and Yeah. So, I'm sorry I can't confirm. Okay. Yeah. No, I was just I was just curious more than anything else. Mary, I know you have some questions.

Are you are you Yeah, I have a couple if that's okay. Um, so you clarified that we're not sure if the single family home that is within 300 ft of the tower uh is occupied or not. It was a rental at one time and it is still outfitted as a single family residence. So, it could be assumed that people are living there, but they didn't respond to the notifications to speak to this. Is that right? So far correct.

Okay. Um and you mentioned that it's about 600 feet, you know, 600 700 feet from Miami High School, right? Um and Dana, you may or may not know this. This may be where we would need to hear from um the applicant. Um, what is the FCC standard for the recommended distances for cell towers from schools and residential areas where people would be consistently exposed to the radio frequent uh waves

and I will defer and I can also respond. We'll defer to Shazad the applicant for initial response. And while get himself off of mute, hopefully it's not us controlling that video. So FCC man uh regulates communication disability such as this. Um I you may be aware it's not uncommon for uh cellular facility tends to be located on school light uh school uh sports field light structures and around them. There is not to my knowledge a regulation or a distance separation. Um there FCC has identified there's no uh no uh sorry the word slipping me right now but there is no credible research showing um harmful effects of the levels of radiation or microwave that the FCC regulates to affect humans. Um, and that's and I've had to deal with this in several situations and that I rechecked this afternoon after a conversation and um I'll confirm there's still no conclusive word I'm looking for evidence that there's any any uh detrimental attacks to I'll let Shad go ahead and add to that if I can. We could hear you for a second there. You might just turn off one of your device uh put one of your devices on you. I did. Can everyone hear?

Yeah. Thank you. Uh thank you again everyone um for allowing me to speak today and for um presenting uh this tower. So um as Dana was stating um all the radio frequencies that are admitted from the tower are fed federally regulated by the FCC. Um, when it comes to specific distances that towers need to be from any specific resident, school, commercial building, there is no specific guideline that states they have to be a specific distance away from, you know, a structure or that inhabits people. Um what the FCC guideline does is regulate the type of frequency that is admitted by you know Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile and through that regulation have stated that what they admit is a safe frequency for the you know for people to consume or be be at or near. So yes, in my in my experience, we have we have developed towers on school properties in the past. There are definitely um towers that are also on um light poles, you know, stadiums um you know, so just to assist in in in everyone's knowledge, it's just something that it is honestly all around us in general. Um, and the FCC clearly uh puts guard rails up that that specify what can and cannot be admitted. And if and the carriers have to uh adhere to that or their license will be taken away and they will no longer be able to admit that that frequency.

Okay. Thanks. I appreciate that. That's a little bit different than what I understood. I understood that the FCC had regulations that they put in place um where they said that really these towers um should be a minimum of about 1,500 it's 500 meters but about 1500 ft away from residences and schools because continuous exposure is different than infrequent exposure like if you're at a stadium like you said or a sports venue that's infrequent exposure and it would be safe for that but it's not necessarily safe um for continued exposure. Now, I hear you that the FCC hasn't said anything definitively apart from that maybe guideline around the 1500 ft. And I understood that that guideline came out in 1996 and my goodness, we've got 5G now. So, there's so much more intensity now than when they first came out with that guidance. Could you speak to how um if or any of that that you would like to maybe rebut?

Yeah, I'm not sure. This is the first time I've ever heard um a guideline being called out by the FCC which states that it needs to be 1500 ft. Are you able to clarify where that guideline is specifically? Because the 1996 Telecom Act that you were referencing, Yes. is actually an act that states that boards such as this are not allowed to use radio frequency as a reason to deny a cell tower application. Okay. So, they didn't say anything about safety. Yeah. Okay.

Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. That that's my understanding and and over my years of experience developing towers. Um Yeah. So I I have never seen uh a guideline that states a tower has to be 1500 ft from uh from from a school or a residence. Yeah. Okay. It's supposed to be a 1000 foot setback on everything that I researched with regards to being close to a school or homes. So you had 1500 I found out also. Okay. Yeah. But then in addition to that it was close to a thousand foot setbacks from schools or homes. Right. Which is defin the parameters of what Dana was showing us.

Yeah. So, and just to because it sounds like we disagree on that and that's fine. Um, I guess to just continue forward because our commission has showed that we are committed to business. We know that our neighbors and residences want better cell service, so we're excited about a new tower going in. Were there other locations that were economically viable that weren't within 700 feet of a school, a high school?

If if I could just uh help answer and and just want to just talk about that thousand foot setback that you all referencing because I'm I'm looking at the standard now. I just did a quick search and it states, "No, the FCC does not have a federal standard for minimum distances for setbacks between cell towers and schools. The FCC sets national RF radiation safety limits. Um, just how are so I'm trying to find where you guys are specifically finding that information. Um, but but I just I I don't see it right now. Um, aside from that, just to talk a little bit about what we did when trying to find uh another location for the tower. Um, there there's two issues that that that we have. And I've been developing towers throughout the US. Um, the first issue is it's very hard to find a land owner that is willing to place a tower on their property. It's not an easy thing. Not many land owners have no space or um So, when it came to this specific property, uh, we did do a search of, you know, of sites. Uh, we went to I'd have to look up through our research three two or three properties. We we do what's called a site candidate information package where we go around and try to find um lots that, you know, are are usable for a cell tower. Uh, but honestly, the the Walmart that we did find here uh had the amount of space that we needed. They were willing to sign uh it was a commercial use. They were willing to sign a lease with us. So um from that perspective, you know that I if you wanted us to provide, we did

reach out to at least two other um close land owners. I'd have to look up who they were. Uh but uh the location itself was picked because the coverage and capacity requirements for Verizon who is the anchor tenant here uh it was optimal at this location but yeah thank you. I appreciate that. Um those are really all the questions I have right now. Thank you Tracy.

Of course. Art, did you have something? Yeah, this is uh this is probably a minor detail that I just don't understand, but uh I was looking at the uh the vegetation surrounding the uh the wall of the the unit and it is uh so which is an excellent application. But my my what I read was that the uh contractor will maintain the vegetation and the the ground for one year. Beyond that, I don't see a plan to maintain that vegetation and the and the uh uh I believe it said that there would be like wood chips as a as a base for the uh for the vegetation. And um I think we could uh I think we could assume that after a year if nobody takes care of it, it could be a bit unsightly with the amount of trash that blows around Walmart and uh once the wood chips float away. So could you talk about the maintainability or the maintenance of the uh

Yeah, absolutely. And and thank you for that question. So um I believe this um what we have in there right now as far as one year is associated with just the contractor that built the site. It's their responsibility to maintain it for a year. But from that point on, SBA communication has landscape and and maintenance people for all of their sites that they bring, you know, out to sites to ensure that the landscaping is maintained. Um, I know that we we've in the past provided jurisdictions with maintenance plans as well, which basically state in writing that SBA uh will maintain the landscaping in perpetuity. Um, which is, you know, interest too. They they want to be good neighbors. They want to make sure that they're providing uh you know a maintained site. So I I want to say that one year specific comment is is specific to the contractor that installed it kind of warrantying the site for that one year that they make sure that that that landscape takes root and and that they maintain it. From that point on, like you said, on a monthly basis, there's maintenance being done to the site to ensure that it it keeps up to that level. And if something is needed in in writing from SBA stating as much, that's not that's not that's something we've done in the past as well. And I if I could add uh Commissioner Warren um the I highlighted one of the conditions of approval which is to maintain the property in as approved particularly this highlighted section all required landscaping screening for the communication facility shall be maintained in perpetuity. Um, so that gives our code compliance the ability to enforce although it did jeopardize their

PA approval. Was he not sorry Dana I I missed that in my review. So thank you for point highlighted but you must have not got turned on. Yeah, that's what I was looking for. I looked forward. Thank you. Come around. Which by the way, perpetuity is an awesome word. I love it. a planner. Debbie, you had some questions?

I do. So, I was pulling up cell tower maps and stuff for our area and we already have over 90 cell towers that are throughout uh the Hila County, Arizona. Arizona Water Company has nine. Hila County has six. Globe Casting Inc. has six. And that's just a list. We also have carriers that are going through for Sprint, T-Mobile, and someone by the name of Kenneth Wyatt. And uh what I'm wondering is I'm assuming from the reading that this is a collocation tower. So are the other ones not collocation? So I'm not understanding what the need is to even have another tower period. Um if we have that many towers that are located in our area or some of these not functioning or some of these not working. Secondary thing is I pulled up over 70 sites with regards to the safety and health issues um that people have expressed for many years and I understand that the FCC has not come out and physically said oh no this is safe and this is that but I do believe that there is enough information for that to be a concern for the board to consider for sure. Uh secondary to that, I did find the same information that Mary uh was talking about earlier. And in addition to that, it did have for health and safety concerns to have a wider range of uh footage to be away from the schools and away from residential housing. So, I'm not quite understanding why we need another cell tower. I actually just did random calls. I have like 450 tenants and I just did the random calls a couple of days ago to just ask people, are you having problems with your service? Is it not working in this area? Is it not? Who do you have as your provider? Sprint, T-Mobile, whatever the case may be um or not Sprint, but uh Verizon.

And I would say that close to 80% of them weren't experiencing any technical difficulties. I know I don't uh and I'm all over the town driving between here. The only place I lose service is going through Superior, which I think is universal for everybody going through Superior. So, I'm not getting why we even need the tower. Is it is it possible for me to share my screen? Yes. Uh uh yeah, you should have screen share capability. Thank you. So here is um what I'm sharing with you all is a is a competitive not is is a map of where our site is and comparably where are the closest towers um for from from this specific location. Um these towers are uh one between this one's close to two miles away. This one is close to one 1.8 miles away. Um, so as you can see here, majority of towers have a radius of, you know, between a mile a mile and two miles. And as you can see here in this direction, this one is even more further away. So Verizon is the one that's that's bringing this um is is the anchor tenant and they're the ones that have come to us and stated that they feel that their coverage at this location is poor. Um and they they only do that when they have phones in the area that are, you know, losing signal or there any complaints from uh from customers. They wouldn't just come out and and request a tower just to request it. It's it's a

lot of money, time, expense um associated with that. Uh so um I I understand what you're saying regarding um cell towers and how many there are in the vicinity, but you this right here is a is a map which which shows you that you know the closest one is about a mile away, but again there's there's a significant gap in this area. Um and and Verizon themselves are only coming to do this to you know because they are they have a need and and and they they clearly are saying that they want to try and you know fix that need by by colllocating on this tower. Um I'm not sure where the other towers are that that you were referencing but usually the you know the radius for a tower site is between 1 to two miles. Well, we have Signal Peak Lookout Tower, KGRX, which is, you know, radio Kiko's radio. We also have the Diamond Point lookout tower. We have uh McFaden Peak. We have KRXS. We have Round Top Mountain Lookout. We have um KJAA again radio. Uh Kog, some of them

tower coverage. Some of them are collocation, some of them are radio. Yes.

Yeah. So if they're radio, majority of radio towers like this one as you can see here, they don't allow for cell towers to collocate or cell tower antennas to colllocate on those towers because of the type of transmission that they're emitting. So those two don't get along. Um so if it's a radio tower then I can I can tell you that's most likely the reason that um that it's not you know but these towers here which we are showing um within the area are are the ones that are are you know servicing the area and as you can see here there's there's a gap and that's the intent of of what we're trying to fill. I don't like the location close to the schools and uh I do think that there are legitimate health issues for people who do have issues or could be sensitive to that. Um I had my smart meter taken off of my house. Okay. So I think that I wasn't able to do more than a couple of days worth of research. So I think there is some additional research that needs to be done. I'd like to get more information with regards to the cell towers, the three that you were there, to see what the broadcasting is and who's doing collocation on those. Um, just to see what they're experiencing and to be able to make some more calls locally to get some additional information as well.

I don't have any more questions. Thank you, Tracy. Quick followup if that's okay. Was there Could you bring I appreciate that screen share that you had there. if if you could can you put it back up uh because it relates to the question I have that follows on to Debbie's. Um was there a thought of reaching out to I don't know if it's um Freeport or BHP or maybe it's owned by somebody else now, but across the street from Walmart is um obviously some form of old mine because you can see the the um benches.

Um was there any thought to reaching out to them and if they would allow a tower to be built. And I'm going to be honest, I don't know whether geologically you can build a tower on old mining benches. So I I don't mean to say you should build it there. I just wonder if that was explored as an option because it's a little bit further away from continued exposure for people, but it still meets the same need of being that that sweet spot that you mentioned of it's the one mile point between the other towers that are currently one to two miles apart. So, it would increase Verizon's um coverage for their customers, which we recognize um they wouldn't spend the tens of thousands of dollars to have a tower built if it wasn't needed, but it's a place that's away from continued exposure.

Yeah, thank you for that question. So, um so you bring up a very good point. Uh when it comes to environmentals, uh towers are actually more stringently policed um than than commercial buildings. Uh so specifically for that reason, coal mines, which we have actually tried to build towers on in the past, um are extremely extremely expensive to mitigate. Okay. Um and and yeah, so like you said, from a geological standpoint, the cost would more than double to try and um develop a tower on on top of that.

Okay. Thank you. That answers my question. I don't have any others. Thank you, Tracy. Thank you. Anyone else have any questions before I open up the public hearing? Okay, then we're going to open up the public hearing. Jacqueline, please. and make sure to say your name and your address when you get there. And same same rules apply as with the um planning and zoning to try try to maintain it to three minutes, please.

Okay, I will. Um my name is Jacqueline Anderson. I'm a I guess I'd say more recent resident of Globe two and a half years. Um I have presented to two city council meetings. Uh I happen to be a person that is highly affected or reactive to a smart meter installation and after calling it was a to sign a waiver it was activated and I developed spontaneous nose bleeds for the first time in my life and I have had successive um symptoms but they did take the smart meter out but I'll tell you it was an eye-opening experience. I have much research available. In fact, I'll leave a sheet with you as I did with the city council. I have two uh things that I printed off. This is 5G, the combination 5G. It says catastrophic. Can it be stopped before many are injured or killed? And the other one is the silent threat, AirPods, Wi-Fi, and smart uh phones. And this is geared particularly for children and how to protect. my personal opinion when I signed out the form do I agree or disagree or oppose or for I'm not going to say I did put oppose until further research is available and there is not to the public so during my I'll say effect I um got resources from the national safety council and that's where many of these come and the children's health defense but I would I have two big questions but one is one was what are the benefit benefits of promoting this technology and that has been addressed I feel and I want to thank you all on the commissioners because you've all asked thoughtful questions and an array of uh pertinence. So my question is how many children live or go to school within 45 miles of the tower placement recommendation? And I know it was asked and not available and I can tell you in part

why. While I was going through my research last May, um 20 bills were introduced to Congress by the tech companies and corporations. They were requesting a waiver of responsibility for any harm done by this technology that speaks. Um, so I want to read from this that I have here, but our 5G evolution plans will pave the way to the next generation of higher speeds for customers. Now, this is from John Donovan, who was chief strategy officer and group president for technology and operations back in 2017. Quote, "We're not waiting until the final standards are set to lay the foundation for our evolution to 5G." I can tell you from the list of resources that and to your point not only 96 but before that the dangers were known not published to the public but known and particularly for children and we don't have time today as I went through all the side effects but I am severely concerned about children and it is not unusual if you look at the history that a lot of these are set near schools children's brains are not developed and are not do not become developed until about the early 20s there's strong strong um reference to and incidences of brain cancer. Now if you look at the studies and I can give you one just short one 10% was military with large heads. Our children's heads aren't large and they don't have the neural development. So okay and I know I'm passionate about this because when I got went to reading on this it was just a boring. Okay. So I will say the technology is harmful and to be pursued um and I I don't think there would be a pursuit in trying to waver the liability

if that were not recognized. Uh the research in the 1980s of course was on 2G. Since then it's been on 3G, 4G and more recent the 5G corroborates with the extreme dangers and destructive effects. And it's not just on children. Diabetes will go up. Magnesium levels serum blood magnesium levels will lower the car the calcium channel block will be affected in adults. So there can be strokes, high blood pressure, not to mention the cancer and all that. But and I do have a medical background I'll share with you. So I'm like I was fully literate. In fact, if I want to share something that I learned was that in this process, those square waveforms on the non-native and we have native EMFs because that's how we synthesize the sun and all our environment, but the non-native are square waveforms with spikes. Now my question was when COVID came out and the and I'm going into a little bit of an extreme here with you but just to give you the detail of this when COVID came out they did a PCR test non-conclusive for elevation of spike proteins. Now how do we know if that's from a virus or from this 5G that's rolled out or the non-native EMFs? Another um from this resource that I have and this might be interesting. The constant activity of cell towers has a reading of 1,800 microwatts per meter squared. While the bank of smart meters that have measured bursts of microwave radiation with density readings range from 15,000 to 38,900 microwatts per meter squared. So what for and I my experience when I talked with the city I told well you know research has shown that they're not that harmful and I said so they're not they're not run constantly. No. Well, how often are they run? Monthly, weekly? No, it's every four minutes. Now, some of these resources I have are about the

fires in the community as well. Um, the health gez. Anyway, I know I'm passionate. I'm going to leave these resources here if you're interested. I know you will need readers for this because I tried to get it all on one page from the two meetings that I presented. If anyone would like more information, I'd be glad to share. I will say that at this point um you can go to a doctor if you follow the alipathic and just ask them what their knowledge is and and I can tell you that initially this technology was not taught in medical schools and for people that choose the alipathic pract practitioners one can learn of the limitations in the scope of practice and I encourage everyone to do their own research AI is convenient but it's a closed service system and that means that there can be misleading information therefore open source informations are a little more reliable. So any questions or just I've got so much but I will leave this if people are interested to look up the and I am passionate about this because it is about our children. It is about our children. I am passionate about that online or anything like that. Go ahead and close the public hearing.

Thank you.

Any further discussion? Clearly, we have people that have different completely different opinions than me. Yeah. I think I think we're surrounded by this stuff and have been for so long that if it was going to kill me, it would have done it by now.

That is that is what I mean that's what technology is all about.

I think that I agree with the gentleman that nobody anything down where you have access to person and stuff. I also equated with everything that we've gone through that's been a health crisis in our state. They don't find out anything about the bad stuff until it's much further down and then everybody starts coming up. I'm not saying that this tower or one otherw I'm just saying I don't believe that there is enough leg to be able to make a determination on Whe this being that close to the school where those kids are every single day I do seriously have a great concern about that because like I said I did a ton of research my smart meter there were hundreds of thousands of people that were sick from their smart being on their house they were on the where they headaches, migraines, whether it's manifested in someone's head or not. I see that same thing happening with 5G and all the detrimental stuff that's coming out with regards to whe issues with mine, but I'm sure that there are people I said I to say hey yada yada with the other towers and those are supposed to be location towers as well.

I mean even whenever you call and get your phone switched over T-Mobile is on the same thing that Verizon is on the same thing that this one's on. So

I think the point is the distance is they can't just because you can see it doesn't mean that you're getting the signal. So I think that's the correct I guess I know we have to move forward. I know we're all going to get run over by technology, but that doesn't mean we have it. That's how we get into a lot of stuff because I would agree. I I can't uh while I recognize that the government has not decided to regulate this, I think that that has more to do with a financial reason rather than validating the the um statistical uh research studies that have showed that these can cause health problems. That's all there is to it. And they're getting more and more intense as technology furthers, which is great. We love our technology. It's going to help in a lot of ways. These things uh the the the research studies um and statistical studies that they've done have shown that the FCC if there's a regulation or whatever the rules are around where these things should be do not take into consideration the impact that these waves have on children like you mentioned I forgot about that aspect or continued exposure and the school represents a continued exposure with the double whammy of continued exp expos exposure to children. I really would love to see a Ver that tower go in for Verizon and for all the others who want to colllocate. I really would like to see the applicant work with the city to identify another suitable location that is economically

viable. We want a another tower um in our city to increase um uh you know coverage and services. I just cannot in good conscience approve it that close to a school. Um I'm I'm I do want to make it very clear that I did not come here with my mind made up. I came here with some questions to ask. Um and um I had kind of hoped that maybe the information I saw was outdated um and not necessarily relevant. Um I am open to anything that might be able to change my mind on this in truth and I do want to tower. I just that school makes me nervous. That's all.

Okay. Dana, you have any suggestions how we move forward with this? You know, you can approve deny approve of recommend approval denial recommendations for commission condition. Um few options. Are you continue the item uh to your next meeting? We're not going to get the you and I are not going to get the answers to our questions by the next meeting. They haven't done it since 1996. So you're not going to have it in two weeks. Now, we know that the applicant has another method where we don't have to recommend this. The applicant can appeal our decision. We don't know what our decision is.

I assume that the council has the final decision on this. Yes, that's exactly right. Council has the final decision on this whether we So everyone can vote with their conscience. The council will vote with theirs as well. That's right. All right. Do I have a motion? It's going to be you, Art. It's going to be you or not. That's what what's going to come down to it. And we're not trying to persuade you. If you feel like this is a good thing, then you should motion for it. Uh if it passes, great. If it doesn't, you can motion. You can motion to deny. You don't have to motion to app to approve. You can motion to deny it. She can second that if she wants. We can do a vote and I forgot. That's not a motion. It doesn't have to be a motion to approve. Oh, I thought it was a motion to recommend.

Right. Right. Dana, am I correct? Correct. Staff's recommending motion to approve. Uh motion to recommend council approve. Correct. Motion to approve deny. Well, then that might make it easier because then you you and Art can make make your decision known and then we'll go from there. How's that? That works for me. All right. Well, let me get my little paper out. I don't have any glasses, so God knows what I'm reading here. Okay. No, it's all right. Okay. I forgot your I'm I'm blind the other way, Tracy. I'm sorry. Dana, will you put on the screen whatever the the There it is right there. Okay. Um and is the word not recommend or is it

motion to deny uh or motion to recommend council approve it or motion to how Yeah. Yeah. How do we word it? motion. If you want to make a motion to recommend council deny deny it. That's it. Okay. All right. Here we go. Um I make a motion to recommend that council case Z2601 to apply a pad overlay zoning district subject uh to the conditions outlined in the document. Second. I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I. I. Owens deny. on that. Yes. To deny. All opposed.

Didn't vote. I didn't make up your mind yet before we did that. Okay. Research. I don't mean to belver the point, but not all of your colleagues agree.

Yeah. Because I don't I don't agree with you guys. But that's okay. We're That's It's all right for us to not agree. That's not work. It doesn't have to be my feelings. That I just don't want him to feel on any level. So are you do what you what you feel comfortable with.

Yeah, I I I still feel I feel comfortable with there's been a lot of data here presented tonight. It's been a a lot of information. It's been download proceeding with business in this area.

So, you approve the denial or you approve So, you approve the denial. So, let's do this one more time. So, we have a motion to deny to recommend that the the city council deny this application. So, all those in favor of that deny will say I. So, let me let me make sure So then art because you don't want to deny the recommendation and this is confusing. Okay. When we post this, you would want to say nay. Debbie and I are saying yay because we want to deny the recommendation. Does that kind of make sense? Yeah.

Okay. All right. Now I'm going to do it again. All right. Motion to recommend council deny case Z2601 to apply a pad overlay zoning district subject to the following conditions outlined in the document. I have a motion. Do I have a second? I have a motion and a second. All those in favor of the the denial say I. I. All those in favor of approval against say nay. Nay. We have we're we we're split. So it goes to the council and we've got two name. Yeah, my name.

Yeah. So we're we're split on it. So with that, Dana, we're just It goes to the council. Correct. Correct. And I'll just confirm because there is no but my only questions motion fails if it's if it's split and we don't have a a split or we don't have an odd number of Yeah, we don't Yeah, we don't have Justin.

So, if for instance, so if the motion were to approve and it were two two y then I know for a fact that that would then be a recommendation for denying. The motion is to to deny it. And that's just a little nuance I'm a little confused with. Either way, we can get that. Uh if you guys would rather I don't know to to step back and make a different motion, I'm confident that to a motion to approve with two. It would be a recommendation for denial.

Okay. So we can just do the recommended bit and then you guys still have then you're just naz. Yeah. So if we flip the motion, if we do the opposite motion and it also fails, then we can now pass it up to council. That's what I heard you say. I know for a fact that that is and we'll be how it works. Okay. One more time. All right. So now Art Art, give us a motion to approve. Can I second? Am I allowed to second? She's not allowed to motion, right? This is the hard part. I don't know. I can't let you and I switch spots. How's that? Actually, wait. I can make the motion. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah. But then I do my vote. Yeah. Yeah. Your vote stands for the loan from the the motion.

All right. Um motion to recommend council approve case Z2601 to apply PAD overlay zoning district subject to the conditions outlined in the document. Do I have a second? Second. Okay, I have a motion and a second. So, all those in favor say I. I. Art, are you still an I? All those opposed say nay. Nay. All right, we've got two eyes and two nazs. We're tied. Motion. No. No motion.

Yeah, motion failed. Yeah, motion failed. Okay. So, with that, yeah, just do we have any future agenda items or scheduling or anything we need to discuss? We do not. I will let you know at some point uh if you were watching the home occupation ordinance uh code. Yes.

Discussion at council. We'll be bringing back a few items to you in the future. Uh not immediate future, but you will come back those items. We'll come back to you discuss And also keep in mind I know as you know you have a new community development director zoning administrator who is kicking off and managing um I think what I understand the folks with general planning and rewrite. great time to kind of dig in um for citizen input on a lot of topics, but that home occas isn't exactly how you would like to see it turn out.

And Mary Mary has one more thing she wants to say. It's not about this general business. Okay. General general business guy.

Uh so um Shellyley because you're here on behalf of the city tonight. Um I would like to ask if the city can do some form of let's say recruiting or promotion of the planning and zoning commission positions. um you know, hey, here's how you get on planning and zoning. Do you know what planning and zoning is? Here's the uh eligibility criteria. Here's the training that's available to you, which we all know is trial by fire anyway. You get trained once you get on the commission. Okay. Um so, I would really like to see a little bit of that on the social media if at all possible. I don't get to dictate what y'all do and you have a very busy day, but um it's summer. I'm hoping maybe you have an intern that would love to play on the little phone for a little while and some kind of a blast like that because we know that I'm done at the end of this month and y'all are only going to have four and I don't know what that means.

Well, what what four means is what happened tonight. Yeah. Is if we're if we're split, we're split and we don't want to code if the code requires at least five. Yeah, we have to have five anyway. But I mean Yeah, but I mean like Yeah. And the council has not taken that up. So maybe that's something they could look into because he put it in about three or four months ago. Who's that? Sullivan Sullivan. Yeah, he had put in an application for planning. We we are we are accepting applications and and but we have not done any messaging on we've been here lately but but I'll certainly bring that to

it's just a suggestion not a dictate because I don't have authority at all. We do have a losing and I will follow up with Ry's application as well. Thank you, Shel, for relaying that. I really appreciate the work that you guys do at the city and Dana, thank you for guiding us all these years and we're looking forward to Well, I guess y'all are looking forward to working with the new guys. I'm Madam seems like a pretty cool guy. Yeah. Okay. So, do if we have no further business, do I have a motion to to adjurnn? Motion to second.

I've got a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I. Any oppose say nay. Meeting the journal.