Planning Board - Regular Meeting

2025. Our first order of business is the approval of minutes for the August 6 meeting. Any comments on the August 6 motion to approve the minutes? All in favor? All right. First order of business this evening is sign board review BP25-00006 city of Blunt Falls Housing Authority order tax map number 303.17-16-3.2 commonly known as 45 Rich Street is seeking to install a 20 square ft pre-standing sign on the property pursuant to the city hall zoning code chapter 1 E-6F and three. This will this will require sign board review and approval. Is there anyone here representing this application? [Music] Have you heard from the

reached out right here? Yeah, we did.

Oh,

I'd like to make a motion to table this application. Um, lack of testimony. show up. Second,

first order of new business, sign board review BP25-007, Ericoff representing the Lawrence and Crew Inc. owners of tax number 303.17-13-925 Cooper Street sign board 320T mural pursuant to the city hall zoning code chapter 220-20 this will require sign board approval Yeah. The side of the building.

What's that?

It should be turn off.

Okay. We have pictures here. Tell us anything about it. Uh interesting picture. Yeah. So um the muralist was inspired by uh the graft and piece pagota and it's um uh it's a basically a uh you know kind of a take on a Buddhist prayer and the lotus flower. You know, I'm not a Buddhist here, but uh you know, that's kind of the um you know, I think in this case it's symbolizing like enlightenment.

Anyone from the community like to comment on on this application? [Applause] Mr. Sure.

I love it. I would like to make a motion that the Glenn's Falls site review board approve the special permit application of 73 L Street 21 through25 Cooper Street for the premises identified specific producers. The approval is based on

install install 320 mural outside 21-2. Yeah. Well, I mean, technically speaking, the mural is probably closer to 73 Lawrence, but I think when we submitted the application, they kind of wanted to have the 21 to 25 address because that's But it's on the It fronts three streets. So I don't I guess that's the legal address. All favor. All right. Thank you.

Site plan review SP25- 00010 Joseph Cheryl. Sure. Okay. Owners of tax app number 309.11-11-3 common 44th Street site plan review operating unhosted short-term rental unit code chapter 220-30 K1 E5. This will require site plan review. Sure. Uh my wife and I uh were fortunate to purchase the house about 3 years ago and we've been running as a short-term rental uh for that time. Um you know successfully as far as we know with with no issues reported to us. Um we run it rather strictly. We're also in communication with our neighbors regularly. We also use the property of course u you know when we can get up here. We are we do live in New Jersey currently. Um however um we are now both uh retiring early so we're up here at a campground nearby for 5 months of the year. So we're heavily involved in it even though it's unhosted. So we're requesting the review and approval to continue to run as a short-term rental for as as long as possible.

Anyone from the community like to comment on this application? question. I just want to talk. Devin Rosel, zoning and planning coordinator for the city. So, is this one that does not allow? No, unfortunately the way the code is written, these are uses uh permitted uses upon site plan review. So, they have to appear in front of the board. Is this a sunset?

This is a sunset one. So this is a sunset. Um is there any questioning we need to do? If it is a subset just they still need to get their site review. All of the short-term rentals were subject to review.

Yes. When the new code went into effect, it was written that uh unhosted and hosted short-term rentals needed to be re go in front of site plan for site plan review. Uh they have provided all the even materials that we request from the building codes department. So that's why they're here. I'm not saying I'm just saying they're all when the new code got enacted by the county. They are all subject to sites. If this were in a zone that did not permit on it, they'd all correct.

That is correct. No, because they're permitted. This is in a zone that permits unhosted.

Is this is this is this R1? Well, that's it. It's the but unhosted with the short-term with the sunset clause would still have to appear in front of the planning board. So, it's unhosted the ones that are Yes. Well, they have to go in front of the planning board for site plan review again. But the sunset clause is why they don't have to appear in front of the ZVA, right? Because after sunset period, they go away unless they get that is correct.

Okay. Other than I guess the fact there's adequate parking for the tenants, you have some kind of restrictions. So we can't have cars on the grass, cars on the road type of thing. Yes, we had to submit in the plans uh a diagram of the parking that we also include in our packet for any of the guests and it's restricted. Uh of course you can't park in the street according to the the city the city code uh overnight and so that's all communicated to the guests that uh stay at the house. [Music] Mr. Shetusion.

We we do understand that it falls within the sunset clause. And again, you've done it since you've been doing this. How long now? Uh just about three years. And you've had no issues? No, neighbors aren't here. So, no, I regularly check in with the neighbors. They all have our cell phones. Um, I've met them in person. We're friends with them. Um, and I talked to one of the neighbors two days ago. I was on site and they said they still have no problems whatsoever. Mr.

Uh, I just had one thing. Um when reading through uh the the layout here that you give to your tenants when when they check in um the mention of the playground across the street um you know having grown up here my whole life I I don't know the difference uh between you know Sigmore Street playground in Jackson Heights or Big Cross and Murray Street um because that's kind of the way the school district and the town was always sort of run. Um, but there's knowing the potential of people that could be renting it. Uh, you know, whether it be a one last Harrah bachelor weekend versus a family with three kids, like, you know, it's it's all possible. Um, it just felt like kind of a gut check to me about that being mentioned in the, hey, come on across the street to the school playground. Um, I uh I didn't mention the property or what school who it was, but I contacted the school and was like, "What do you think about this?" And we don't love it, but you know, it's it's public at the moment. It was just a real kind of like nobody was really great on that being a flag that was waved. Um and she was the superintendent was kind of hoping that maybe that would be omitted from that list as you know if they see it it's there fine but to to list it as a a proper thing and it's not a city park it's really a school which is state it it would be nice if that if that line was stricken just as a

that's understandable I can definitely understand that and and can agree with you so that's easy enough for us to take that out. Um the only reason it was included is because we have had guests inquire before going, you know, is it okay to go across the street? But it's easily taken out. That's not a problem. Yeah, it's Yeah, it's not great either way. I understand that supervised. Um but I I'm thinking of it as in anyone from the world on the internet can come and it just Hey, that's my not a problem. I understand how I can take it out very easily.

In the in the same vein, you know, that's a walking school district. They don't come in. Do you have to do research to make sure that the people who rent your um space are okay to rent close and and dwell in your school district? Sure. We we currently use Airbnb as as the booking platform and they do the background checks. That's part of the platform. Um so they run the background checks on all of the guests. We we don't do that personally. Okay. But you've got a service that does

I think everybody else has already brought up my questions. Um, so it sounds like you've been running it for 3 years without any issues and, you know, late night visits from the cops or anything like that. And um, I have no architectural comments. That's it for me, which I' I'd like to say thank you for that, too. But it's just came in hot with a thing I didn't like, but that's nice that it's been so many years so far we thank you for running it. That's where we're at.

We try to emphasize the way it should be run and and that our neighbors are the priority because again they're we're friends with them and and we want it to be run just like the neighborhood we live in. So

with respect to seeker, I would classify this as a to action. Therefore, no further action is required with respect to C. I'd like to make a motion with West Falls Planning Board that acting as the board of site plan review hereby grant site plan approval for a project identified as SP25-0010 at 443rd Street [Applause] as presented at the meeting of September 3 second.

All in favor? Thank you.

Thank you so much. 5001 Holly Harris PC of tax number 309.7-14-4 county 84 Hudson Avenue is seeking site review over adult use recreational cannabis retail dispensary pursuant to the city of Glen Falls zoning code chapter 220-17 C27 this will require site plan review and approval Hello. So, I'm Holly. I own Windy Hill Wellness. We currently operate a cannabis dispensary in Green Witch. I've had a CBD wellness store in the same closet for the past two years. Uh we were granted our recreational license and would like to expand. So, we with my landlord's approval, we moved two doors down to a bigger space so we could accommodate more customers and have a much larger storefront.

Um, is there any from the public that would like to speak on this street? So, you're currently This is at mall next to the top of the house. Yes. Yep. Yep. And we're taking over the end unit where Peak Nutrition was. And you're already conducting business. We had a CBD store there. We closed it and then we moved down. We were waiting. We were waiting for the state to approve our license. Do you think we have additional security?

We are putting in 23 cameras. We will have somebody at the door to make sure everyone that enters is 21. We will have a full-on security system in there.

I guess the only question I have is this meets the requirements as far as I got two centuries almost on the same street. We're 2,000. So it has to be 2,000 ft. We're 2,800. Okay. Yep. From RNR. So that's already Yep. And uh like I say, did you say you have your license or We have another license in Green Witch, right? On another LLC. But do you need a separate license for this one? Yep. And do you have that? Yep.

We were granted in July. And the state has already approved this location. Location. Yep. We submitted to them to amend it. So we had it for another suite. So that's why we had to come back. So we submitted an amendment for suite 7 and 8. They have submitted to me a letter and it goes before their meeting in September for approval, but it does meet all the requirements. Yep.

Yeah. Customers are in and out usually within 10 minutes.

We'll have online ordering which makes it even quicker. We've been very successful in Greenwich Witch. Um customers don't stay longer than about 10 minutes. [Music] We're going to have one person at the door. We'll probably have two bud tenders, one inventory person. So, I would say around 45. And for parking wise, the land board has said at the plaza that they will make additional spaces for us if needed.

Okay. So those parking spots right now. So we have I think it's in the it might be in the park. Yes. or

probably, but I'm also we also have the ability to have our employees park further down towards the um laundromat. So, we want to make sure that the customers coming in don't take away from the other businesses. Um, my questions were mostly around parking and you've sort of answered those. Um, and whether or not you have online ordering. What are your hours of Christmas going to be?

So, we're probably going to do right and sometimes that changes based on customer preference. So, we're going to do 11 to 8 is what I'm thinking. Is 800 p.m. the New York State? No, I've seen dispensaries open till 9. Okay. I don't really I think people should be done by 8. I don't really think they need to be out past 8, you know. It's like I mean that's me. Maybe because I'm older, but I'm like I really if I submitted pictures, you know, we're like a a different dispensary or I'm more like a boutique.

It's very classy. Um, when you go into our Green Wish one, you know, I can take pride in knowing that we're probably the only dispensary with five star reviews. We have a very just classy, you know, our bud tenders are educational. There's no I'm not into the neon lights. Like you walk in and it's like flashing marijuana. Come get your Right. And you and you talked in your application about how the windows will be obscured for post office management so nobody can see in so you cannot see in you can't see any of the cannabis product from the street. So we're going to shade them about 3/4 of the way up.

And then I'm going to have curtains as well so you can't see in. And in terms of signage you're obviously going to something that complies with false and then also complies with LCM. have to. So, you're only allowed two signs. Um, our sign is already coming. It's going not changing the name. It's going to say Lindy No Wellness. So, there's one um on the thing already. You know, what do you And then there's going to be one right above us. Okay.

Um, if the plan you presented showed two doors, I think you have to have a separate entrance and exit. And I've often seen the vestibule at the entrance so that there's control there.

I'm kind. So the thing is when you walk in there's no live product anywhere. We're going to have empty displays. So the way we do it in Green Wish is they'll come up. We're going to scan them to make sure that they're 21. Glenn Swalls is a a little bit different than you know my little Green Wish location. So we're going to make sure they're 21 when they walk in. They'll go up to the counter and then they show their license and then they're going to go out the second door. So my plan is the first door closer to heading towards the laundry mat side will be the entrance and the one towards top of the town will be the exit. I don't have any other questions [Music] August 175 board members. This letter regards the application to Holly Harris at also Broad Street. Miss Harris signed her week in 2022 and has been an exceptional tenant. She has always gone out of her way to be courteous and mindful of her practice and her business ethics and business always appear to me to be very professional and tasteful. I truly miss her as a tenant. I support her at to open our property on my basm. I classify this as a type of action as it does not changes to the existing structure of the facility. Therefore, no further action.

I'd like to make a motion that the West Planning Board acting as a board of sight plan review hereby grant architect grant site plan approval for the project identified as 84. Holly Harris Leie of 84 Hudson Avenue um as presented meeting on September 3rd, 2025. Mr. Chairman say

all in favor. Thank you.

All right. Site plan review SB25-000012 Mike Gerard NYC of tax map number 310.5-1-15 is 100 street rece 220 19c6 this requires second bank review [Music] good evening I'm Peter Hoffman I'm the owner of the building outside.

I'm Peter Huffman. I'm the owner of the building 100 Glenn Street on uh in Glenn's Falls. Mike Gerard, the owner of the business. Oh, hi. Yes, I'm Mike Gerard.

Wayne S. Scott. So, we're here tonight to ask for approval to change the existing use was Trusco Bank for 20 years. We we restored the building 20 years ago and uh Trusco moved out and uh Mike wants to make a uh a tavern and golf simulators. He's going to have two large simulators in the space. Uh as a landlord, I think it's an unusual business for Glenn's Falls. I think it's they're in Saratoga now and uh making a move up here and I think it's an interesting business for our city and I think it fits the fits the location.

Anyone from the public like to comment on this application? Mr. Sure.

Yes, we are.

Correct. Yes. Where you're at, are you going to be installing like a full kitchen in there? Uh, it won't be a full kitchen. We're not We don't have a hood in there. So, we're using a convection oven for the um wings is something we're going to do. Outside of that, we're doing sandwiches, hot dogs, so hot dog rollers, um stuff like a snack, more like snack food. You think is the primary business going to be also kind of restaurant. The golf simulators. Yeah.

And the parking parking over there is is kind of sight per say for we have two buildings that share that parking lot. There's a 100 parking spots. Most of their business will be at nights and weekends. So therefore, it's even a better fit because of that purpose. Well, this is in the CCD, right? Such a commercial district. So therefore, the parking restrictions are not uh my questions were asked already. I mean, basically heard the attack simulator. And then I'd was also wondering about food just to know if there was a kitchen that would put smells out, but it sounds like it's going to be pretty minimal.

Correct. Yes. Um I like we do lessons, too. Um I don't have any other So, let me say that I haven't been to your place in Saratoga. Um, that's still going to remain open. Yes, it will.

You guys are doing very well there. Great. I see in the plans you have set up storage so there. Yes. Y And I believe a lot of stuff, you know, will be more later in the day. Some of the parking lots less um there's an issue there. Um for the kitchen, the way this is oriented, it's going toward the other building, correct? It's on that kitchen's on that side. So Well, there's no ventilation to the outside, aren't we?

Not going to have dryers or anything? No. I really don't have a whole lot of it's another space downtown. Um I think it's going to be you know just something more diverse for community. Um oh with respect to seeker I would classify it as a title two as there no substantial changes existing structure or facility. You're not changing the outside. No. So therefore no further actions requiring.

So what is this? I'd like to make a motion once falls planning board acting as the site plan acting as board site plan review by grant site plan approval for the project identified as Mike Gerardi DC tax number 31 0.51 at 100 street uh That was added at the meeting of September 3rd, 2025. Second second. All in favor?

Good luck. Thank you. Christina P, owner of tax number 302.16-9-6 Glere seeking site preview operating short-term rental unit pursuant to the city of Gl 20-15D 13. This require site plan review and approve.

Good evening. Thank you for your time. I have uh 480 Glen Street as a short-term rental. I've been operating for over three years. Um been super host pretty much since day one. Fivestar ratings the whole time. Um and um statistically just over 200 average guests per year. No problems or complaints. Um I get a lot of traveling nurses. I get I do some longer term. Uh also I had some cultural exchange professionals that stayed for a few months. I've had uh medical students um people here working for the government. a lot of uh uh couples that came to shop for houses and actually bought in the Glenn Falls area and really just commented on the experience at my house that they would have their their company relatives come and stay at my place because they liked it so much and they felt really at home.

Okay. Is there anybody from the community that would like to speak about this application? My name is Neil Leboitz. Uh I reside at 8 Grand Avenue in Queens Falls, which have bought the subject property. Uh first of all, I want to say that Christine and her husband have been very good neighbors. Um and I've not encountered any problems with any of their uh short-term rental tenants uh during the time they've been open. She's put a significant amount of work into the property. That said, I would like to raise some issues here that while they relate to this property too, also may guide the planning board in evaluating future short-term rental applications. uh to begin with having a uh less restrictive re review is appropriate for these types of applications although they might benefit from some scoping by getting some supplementary documentation to the exhibits or rather to the application uh which u I will address briefly as I get into my remarks. Now, this particular property does have a history and uh while at one time it was a single family home being in a cultural professional zoning district, uh it then became occupied by an accountant who had his practice on his house. It became a day spa and then it went back to being a single family residential property. In 2019, it was purchased by Ilhan uh

Bazker. And during that period, he surreptitiously turned it from a single family residence without a building permit into a multi-occupancy unit, which he indicated to me was going to be used as a Airbnb to use somebody's trademarked name. Um nothing was done about it although the building and codes department was aware of some of the issues on it. Uh Mr. Bos Curtain 2021 then went before the planning board to seek expansion of his parking area from six parking spaces to greater which would have surrounded my house uh almost uh with parking uh and he was not proposing any screening or anything. Uh the zoning application or rather I should say the site plan application for the Bosco project um happens to be in your record and I would urge you to read it. Um I did not bring all the documentation from that but I think you would benefit from some of the analysis in it. Uh that site plan review application is 21-002. And for the record, I'm going to give you a copy of his site plan application, a rather lengthy letter that I wrote to the planning board at that time, which contains both evidentiary statements and legal analysis of the zoning code. uh and also a uh for the benefit of

Christine a uh survey map of the property that was done when it was originally subdivided. And so I'm not sure who acts as the clerk, but I will give a piece of the record. Um the analysis that was made at that uh planning board hearing in 2021 was that in essence the facility the house was really fits the definition of a hotel. Now since then the city has changed the zoning ordinance adopting changes allowing short-term rentals. That's a positive. Yes.

Mr. Woods are now I understand that you're you're sort of walking us through the history of how this house became what it is now an Airbnb and the process at the zone at the planning board level and the city level. Are you do you have other comments related to this applicant getting approval for

Yeah. They they they they do bear um What I was going to say is that uh as you know under the short-term uh zone short-term rentals are permitted in the cultural professional district. Now there are of two types uh either uh unhosted or hosted. Now, if you look at what the uh permit provides for, it says that residential private property owners may use their dwellings for short-term rentals. Key to that portion of the ordinance is that it's using a possessive pronoun. So, it needs to be their dwelling. Now, as I mentioned, there are two types of short-term rentals. Unhosted, where the owner does not have to be present during the short-term tenants occupancy, and hosted where the owner has to be present. Now, the key thing is how do you interpret the phrase present in statutory construction? I'm a lawyer, obviously. uh unless the uh term is defined in the statute the ordinance by the legislative body you use the plain and ordinary meaning of the words um and the word present as an adjective uh means that they have to be there at the site and I'm going to give you two dictionary definitions [Music]

present also was created and passed by the common council not so concern or it would be a common council's conversation

except that it's the legislature that wrote the ordinance and that is what you need to implement. ment and interpret interpret in the sense that you are a quasi judicial body besides being regulatory. Um now with regards to Christine's application uh there are some inconsistencies if I read it that should be able to be resolved by her. On the first page, it indicates that there is only one short-term rental there. That's the second blank in the document unless that was written down. And then on the other hand below that it uh or rather I should say attached to the document are diagrams showing five rooms uh labeled as such along with kitchen areas and restrooms. And there is no definition of what the use of those five rooms are. So the question becomes what is the occupancy level of this structure? Do we have uh a certificate of occupancy for this structure? Does it meet uh building code and uh fire safety measures? These are items that supposedly go through the building and codes department and they should be part of the package here so that you know that you can set a occupancy level for the structure which is not mentioned in here parking for the structure on the

property and those items are not addressed. I'm trying to pull it out, right? Uh I say I is not going to enforce building code per se. Board is not going to speak to whether or not a building complies with fire code. The planning board doesn't, but the planning board should be considering that as part of its review.

Sure. Um, I don't know if this will potentially alleviate any of these concerns, but both the fire department and the building and codes department has to do an inspection to sign off after they are approved once they've gone through this process, which is documented online as well. Okay. Thank you.

I'd also like to add in your paperwork you do see that I have fire extinguishers. I have a sign indicating the occupancy of the house. Um, and it is one unit. It's rooms inside the unit. It works out very well for my um, traveling nurses and things like that. So, I I don't see that it's a problem. I've been operating with no issues. And I any concerns that Mr. Leewoods has, he certainly, you know, can direct me as far as that. I bought the house. It was already done. If if Mr. Burks Kurt didn't get his permits or whatever. I don't I don't know any of that. I pass inspection when I bought the house.

That's no relevance. How many rooms do you rent? I have five rooms for rent and I do through Airbnb strictly. So, it's they're all vetted and um and our code does define hosted short-term rental, unhosted short-term rental and short-term rental that was put into the code. Right. So you are on premises and stay. Yes.

Yes. In addition to your Well, the private space is on the third floor. That's where my daughter lives. And then um also hosted does consider that you have long-term tenants. So, if you have long-term tenant, you're also considered host even if you're not on the property 24/7. Not according to Okay. Cuz that was on the on the paperwork that I filled out. What's considered? More than a month. More than 30 days. Yes. [Music]

This is right next to the barber shop. Yes, that's correct. And then the third floor. Yes, it's a it's a finished third for you. Yeah, they uh um Yeah, it's all finished off. It's the whole apartment. And there's uh ample parking. There's six six spots for parking. It's all been paved. I I had the house painted, put a new roof on it, had the parking lot paved, and the spaces are drawn out. You know, they're aligned. Does the show use inual professional district. It is a permitted use both and unhosted

220-15. Mr. Champion both I I have done I have done both. Uh yes, I have. a whole different well the um

the well I didn't really even think of them as being longterm until I was talking to the code department about my um you know I had about dry um I had a medical student and he was there for 6 weeks I had another gentleman who worked with government and uh he was there for about six months um so I've had people in and out you know the cultural exchange professionals. They were there for about 4 months. So that falls under which is a different type of and short-term rental just to be aware of that. So if you're flying for a shortterm rental, okay,

but if you're using that for multiple purposes, which includes a longterm, okay, that falls under section, which I'm sure you have to do. Okay. regardless short-term rental is less than 30 days. Okay. Yeah, I do. So, I do occasionally get some and there's caveats to that that they allow for short-term rental because of that. So, once you go into a room house and some of the other issues you're have with long-term rental, there's different code sections that come into play. Okay.

Okay. Do you have like a a maximum number? You have rooms or number? Uh, yes. All right. So, when I come to your place, I'm sure you like. Yes. Yes. Um, one of the rooms has it own private kitchen. It's like an exalting law suite. So, it has a private kitchen, but the rest of the rooms share kitchen. Do you have a maximum occupancy in regards to like parking concerns for vehicles?

Um the maximum occupancy would be 12. There's six parking spots. I've never had an issue with someone not having a place to park. Some of them, you know, don't have a vehicle. They might use Uber. They're from the city. Yeah, my only I I guess if if a separate set of criteria needs to be met for long term, okay,

then that would be back on. Um, and my only other questions had to do with property, which you've answered. And you know, 3 years I'm guessing the cops don't get called. I really enjoy doing it. I really do. I meet so many interesting people and I just I really I've retired. Right. You you live there. Yeah. And I' I've retired, you know, and I've really just enjoyed if I didn't have something to do, I'd lose my mind. But it's really been an enjoyable experience and uh people love the area, you know, and uh I I really enjoy doing it.

I will respect a seeker. I would classify it as a type two action. No further action is required by the board.

Okay. Chairman West Planning Board. I'd like to make a motion that the Glenn West Planning Board act as the board site plan review by grant site plan approval for the project identified as Christine D or taxp number 302.16-9-6. The location of 480 Glance Street in the city of North Walls. uh as presented here at the meeting on September 3rd, 2025. I got a second motion. All in favor?

Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Architectural review AR25-0 [Applause] site plan review SB25 um-000014 corporation owners of tax map number 309. Yeah. Can I flip over and do a little bit? Yep. Uh we're going to get back out here

because of Dr. Shel review SB25-000015ology [Music] associates of Northern New Yorkers of tax map number 309.27-4-4.2 and 309.27-4. known as 21 Pine Street and 25 Pine Street are seeking site review to expand their existing facility by 1,84 of additional offices exam room and support space for the city consulting code chapter 220 15D one this requires site members to approve also this architecturally AR25-006 New York Associates of Miller, New York map number 309.27-4-2 [Applause] and 309.27-4 27-4 at Street Common 21 Pine Street 25 street. Our city architecture review to expand this facility by 800 square ft to all additional office rooms and sport space pursuant to the city of Los Code Chapter 220-531. This require architecture review and

thank you for your records. My name is Ethan Hall, principal of Brzinski Hall architecture with me tonight is Dr. Eur principal with uh 25 Pine LLC. Um the the practice uh the the the owners uh 25 Pine LLC uh recently purchased the the property at 21 uh it was the former uh offices for Dr. Spielberger. Um and there was a apartment on the upstairs floor. In the back of the in the back of the property there's a shed and a garage. So, all of those are coming off the property. Um, the intent is to expand the gastro geology building to the north onto the new property and provide some new parking on here as well as some space for future expansion of the practice onto that lot. The two lots are in the process right now of being merged into one common deed. So that property line in the middle goes away and we've set the building so that we need to set that to both side and um as far as the actual building goes uh this is the interior portion of the interior of the building and we showed a portion of the interior of how it will be expanded. The main thing I think you'd be interested in is the exterior of the building. The idea is it has a mansard now that hides all the rooftop equipment. That mansard will be continued onto the new portion of it. Uh the brick that's on the building now expands out onto the new portion. So it looks exactly like the other portion of it. And the window treatments are exactly like the window treatments that are on the building now. We're just taking that building, pulling the wall out, making it a little bigger.

Mr. Um, I've looked at it. Everything you guys have done over that property is expanding quality work. It looks great. Fits into the city and you know this just looks like another partner over there. I've been involved in almost every office over there. But the plenty of

Okay, go ahead. Windows match, bricks match. Can you go back to Oh, yeah. There you go. That one back there. So, um, you mentioned possible future expansion after that. Yeah, this they they've set this building aside or we've set the parking back on the north side of the building. So, if at some point in the future, if they want to expand the the operator area, we can expand that parking. Right now, it's that it's that one wing. Right now, it's just it's just this, 1800 foot wing. You're putting the six parking spaces right there. Five parking Dumb question. So is this is this part of iron gates gastroenterology practice

GI practice building building five we used to be part of the campus we purchased the building six or seven years ago. So we're separate five iron gauge where we have our practice and we also have an endoscopy center where we perform right and that's what we're talking about potentially in the future you might want to so for patient parking somebody you mentioned plenty of parking where they so what is is there going to be a pedestrian con connection between

between the Iron Gate Center and this there's this is just entry for staff. Okay. And this is and this is mainly parking for staff. Everybody walks in the front. So they're all pat. Yeah. All patients come in either this door to to 58 or they come in this door down here to the end. I can't say that word. We might change that word. And I just any how are you going to um what are you just going to do on excuse me what are you going to do on the street between the parking and the road it's pretty garden now I'm just curious planting

uh right now it's once everything that's there comes down it'll just be lawn and grass on that area yeah it'll be continuing the landscaping that's in the front they they they do a nice job of the landscaping at Iron it's kind you know, all around the whole piece. Um, lighting on the outside. I think the only lighting only lighting is at the exterior door. Okay. And that's a canopy light up underneath the, you know, it's a re recessed door. And then I know you said all the mechanical equipment is correct. Correct.

I don't have any other questions. I think it's going to be Uh, nothing um concerns or this project. I was a patient with Jane and Mike for years and Jane treated that like it was a dollhouse handed down through generations. Very sad to see it bulldozed under. Yeah. And uh when I got the one in my packet this month, I was like I gave her a call and she was like so I'm very sad about that. I just want that because it's a beautiful process. But

I'm also a patient and I know what it's like to get scheduled to get a procedure there. So it's it's been Yeah. the existing building, the the existing office building and the it's been vacant for a little over a year now and and it's starting to fall into some disrepair. Take a lot to keep that up to keep that building back up. Is there anybody from the public that would like to speak on this application? I have some questions. I live right across from here. So, could you just show me what you're aiming to do?

Sure. So this is the existing house over here. They switch after this one.

Richard seeker. I would classify this as an unlisted action board to review the short environmental assessment form. The applicant has completed part One, we need to review part two. Number one, will the proposed action create a material conflict with the adopted land use plan regulations? No, you have to speak. Will the proposed action result in a change in the use or intensity of the use of land? No.

No. Will the proposed action impair the character or quality of the existing community? No. Will the proposed action have an impact on the environmental characteristics that cause the establishment of a critical environmental area? No. Will the proposed action result in an adverse change to the existing level of traffic or affect existing infrastructure for mass transit lighting or walkway? No. Will proposed action cause an increase in the use of energy and it fails to incorporate reasonably available energy conservation or renewable energy opportunities? No. Will proposed action impact existing public private water supplies? No. Public private wastewater treatment utilities? No. Will the proposed action impair the character or quality of important historic, archaeological, architectural, or established resources? No. Will the proposed action result in an adverse change to natural resources such as wetlands, water bodies, groundwater, air quality, flora, or farm? No. Will proposed action result in an increase in the potential for erosion, flooding, or drainage problems? No. Will the proposed action create a hazard to environmental resources or human health? No. Based upon the board's review of the part two impact, the board could issue a negative seeker recommendation. So, we need a motion for seeker. want me to help you with it?

So on behalf of the chairman, he would like to make a motion that the Bronze Falls Planning Board hereby accept the AY's status for uh Gastro Enterology Associates of the Northern New York, commonly known as 21 Pine Street and 25 Pine Street. Um the board has determined the action to the unlisted action has reviewed the short environmental assessment form and upon documentation and discussion issues a negative declaration. Need a second. Second.

All in favor? I would like to make a motion planning board acting as a board architectural site plan review by hereby grant architectural site plan approval for the project identified as gas associates of northern New New York located at 25 Pine Streets, New York as presented at the meeting of September 3rd, 2025. Get a second.

All in favor?

Excellent. Thank you very much. I appreciate your time. site plan-14 corporation owners of tax number 309.16-23232323-1 county knows 15 pine fines island represented by hall are seeking statement review or existing facility by 50,400 square ft for the purposes of storage manufacturing and additional office space pursuant to the city of Glennol's zoning code chapter 220-21B is require site plan review or approval arch architecture review AR25-05 corporation owners of tax map number 309.16-23-1 [Applause] county numbers 15 crimes island crimes drive represented by RC protection review to expand their existing facility by 50,400 square ft for the purposes of storage manufacturing and additional office space pursuant to the city of Lunal zoning code chapter 220-21D. This will require architecture review and approval.

Good evening for your records. Ethan Hall, principal of Rzinski Hall architecture. With me tonight is Mark Gerard, uh operations man, plant manager of Flowmatic. Uh just for clarification, sketch plan tonight, we don't have a full uh submission package for the for the civil engineering. Um so we will be back.

Yeah. Tonight I just want to I just wanted to bring the board up to speed with what we've got, what we're planning. Um we have environmental design on environmental design partnership is on board doing the civil engineering. They've dug test pits. We're doing test borings for the uh earthquake controls. Uh they're on site doing that information and getting that stuff done so they can do proper storm water management. we can get all this stuff done that will will affect that. Um just for your to to get things oriented. Uh this is Pine Island Drive down here. Name it. The former Navy building which is now practice is over here. Uh this is Andrew's Olstrom property over here. And this is Pauline. This is a city-owned dead end street. Uh this is city-owned prop or city-owned street here. And David Place is also city- owned, but it goes it only goes as far as uh taxes. So this is the existing building, the existing Flomatic building. There is a small building out back that will be taking away as part of this. It's a poleburn building. The main parking of course is in front of the building and there's a small gazebo in front of the building. Now um the the right now the the traffic flow circulation comes in Paul Lane uh comes into the for the for the people for the staff that work there and for anybody visiting that's going to have to come in here. And this is the main parking. All truck traffic comes up here and the loading docks are in the back. Okay. Um the intent is to expand the building to basically to the south towards the practice building uh which will take up some of the space that's over here. Uh we would expand the parking in front of the building for for the additional staff and additional uh visitors. that would go on to the grass area between the parking lot and what is Pine Island right now. Um the truck traffic does continue to the back. We are adding three loading docks on the new part of the building and the loading docks that are on the existing building will stay.

So all of our truck traffic stays in the back of the building for firefighting purposes. They um we provided a drive that goes all the way around the building. So, we now have access to all four sides of the building cuz right now we really only have access to two sides of the building. Um, we are looking at adding a hybrid back cuz I think our next year is hybrid is here. There is one on the corner down here. So, we're adding we're going to be looking at adding one on the back side of the property back there. Um, as far as the facade and the use of the building, these are the floor plans of what's here. This is all of the existing office space. This is twotory office. This is manufacturing space here. Uh their big uh furnace for doing the um color coating and stuff is is in this portion of the building. This is warehousing. Uh they do have a big the big test pool that's here and there is some space over the top on the second floor of the building. There's just offices in the front portion. Currently the second floor of the building is not accessible. There's no elevator in the building. It was built before accessibility was a requirement. Part of what we're adding with our in this building when we do this main entry will come down here as opposed to where it is now. We are adding an elevator down here which will make the entire building now accessible. Uh we're bringing a walkway from new portion back over into the existing section before. So take that in. This all becomes warehousing and and storage manufacturing. Uh manufacturing expands into this space and what takes place here now comes down here. Uh we are providing you know interior cafe cafeteria space and then upstairs space training area and then this is all just two sto space down here. As far as the exterior of the building goes the intent is to mimic the big pieces of glass that are here and to expand that

across the trunk. This is the part that faces uh primes island. The side of the building will be standard uh pre-engineered metal building siding. Uh this is the side that all the um storm water comes off of. They have a big gutter system that runs along the whole building. So we're capturing that, getting it into the ground so that it doesn't sheet flow across anything uh from the back of the building. You see the windows there. And then this is the side of the building that existing building here. This is our new roing down here. So the intent is to kind of keep the the feel of how the building looks now. Just expand it down and continue it to the south. Are you doing any plans around?

Um there there will have to be some lights just for um firefighting purposes. We have to have a little bit of neighbors. No, no. Further down the island on practice. Yeah. No, nothing like those. the these would just be some wall mounted lights that have to shine down. So, and there's quite a problem on this. Correct. Yeah. So, on on the site there.

So, on on you're you're over here somewhere on the other side now. No, not this one. So, so right now Niagara Mohawk has a has a easement through here and there's a bunch of trees that are on the opposite side of that between the Nag Mohawk easement and the canal. This is the feeder canal here. We we're not clearing anything on this side of the of that. So, just this part and all this tree stays in here. So, the only the only clearing is just for us to make the new storm water management, the new driveway and the building expansion itself. Nothing. No,

no, nothing chang. This is supposed to be good. It is very good.

Um, so you you're going to you're going to free more truck base. How much more additional truck traffic do you anticipate? is going to change the truck driver. I mean, obviously we sell more and more truck traffic. We right now we have uh three main carriers that will change. What do you have now? Well, you you're going to you're going to have more trucks, right? We're adding three bays, but it's mainly separating shipping and receiving. Yeah, that's right now. Just more flow coming through here. Right now, we have everything coming in one. Right now, everything comes in here. and and this this helps for us to have you know receiving going in here shipping going out here or vice versa however they

opposed to in and out from you may find trucks waiting on the side of the road waiting to come in to their freight this will alleviate that um have you done any analysis or asked any questions or taking a look at how this might impact water demand increased water demand shouldn't change that at all. Um because this is really just for warehousing. We're actually taking what's there and the the warehousing which they're like bursting at the seams for and and this is moving that in there and then the expansion of the manufacturing really just takes what's already there and moves it and gets

so so you're expanding your man your manufacturing. Um yeah, I mean that is my that's my question. you're you're getting you're going to manufacture more and I'm just wondering if that well if you anticipate that impacting waste water or water demand I mean two bathroom yeah we they really don't there's no there's no water used in the manufacturing process it's it's it's pretty much uh welding grinding and and dye stuff um outside rinsing no

that's all contained it's all self-contained within the CNC machines Um, and then the cladding on the outside. So, right now they're the big the big stone panels that's on the on the original building. Are you going to mimic those on the front of the So, no, the the right now this this portion of the building, the original building is the pre-cast tilt top panels, right? When they when they put this second edition on that doesn't have that's got that's a a metal panel, right? that that looks like the and they took that but it is a metal panel and it does sit back from the face and it would be our intent to keep those metal panels going across the face of the building. Yes.

And that's going to go all the way [Music] it it changes to a metal to a metal panel and it is a vertical metal panel. It's just a little bit different panel. The ones in the front are are nice big wide panels to match what they did when they match the color. Yes. Yeah. All the colors, everything will be the same. It's just an expansion of that front and side. I keep seeing the big pre-cast.

Yeah, they did that with the the original the second edition that was done pre 16 2016 2017 I think it was finished 2020. um that's got the wide metal panel on it and that looks like it looks like it's a panel but it's actually um and then my only other question was related to lighting sight laying so wall packs facing down cut off downcast with cut off um that's one thing that parking lot lighting

that the expansion of that we will probably just put heads on the opposite side of the poles that are already there to light the new parking um we may have to put a couple of lights around the outside of the building, but again, those would shine towards the building, not out from the building. And that's just for that's just on the on the firefighting access roads. Um, I don't have any other questions,

Mr. Pushing 30. So, I'm thinking it's probably around 30. So, the point has 30 ft or more. You're required to have a a room and that looks like a 20 foot room. This is 24 access.

Yeah, Aaron Aaron did send us a note on top of it. 26 rings will change. So races they should have probably the only one I was concerned there is one at the end of parking spaces. So you make that turn around those parking spaces and come back in. Oh here have to turn and come back. That's that's you need access from both ways that you might that it may be fine. You're just going to have to look at the turn radius or you can bump it out bump it into a straight a straight path.

Um yeah, potentially. This this is this is kind of the outfall of storm water management over here. Um the storm water management that's in place right now rarely if ever sees any water that stays in it. I mean it's a it's a sponge down there and the water they they had a hard time making water stay in the ground when they were doing the tests the other day. So um it just absorbs water. But again, EV is working on the on the final and what we've done is we we've maintained 60 foot clear all the way around. So by by the code that's a requirement for the unlimited F2 space. Yeah. Yep. Okay.

I think this is another application you guys put the district on a couple years ago. You know, looks like they're going to continue the scene across the front. Um, there is a tree buffer between the practice. There's a tree buffer between you and the canal. So, you really are not going to be impacting anything. I was concerned at first just like that woman was practically um, you know, and I know properly done that might be a problem. So, you know, I think this is another great project. You know, it's a great land. You do have that natural storm water going towards.

The only thing I'm I'm concerned about is that I ride my bike down and you have five here that are always one of I said before. I got pictures. I think I think it's going to be a great

Jack's pretty familiar looks like it's looking for a place to come back. Yeah, we'll have a submission made in October. So we'll be back in November in November. Yeah, we will today was the cut off for for the next for the next application. So he's still working on storm water management things like that. So we'll be back to see you in November.

Great. Thank you very much. [Music] SP25-002 CR number tax number 309.16-22-456 company number 6810 Newberry Street represented by Timothy's best shooters where seeking a wild line adjustment A 309.16-12456 B 3096-22 [Music] 3142 consolidate multiple lots pursuing zoning chapter 192-5 [Music] district review and approval Tim Schuler with Phillips and column I'm here to represent Craig and Cheryl Burroughs on this light line lot line adjustment. Basically taking five lots and uh combining them with other lots to create in the end two lots. Um so you have the submission. I don't I don't think there's much more to say but certainly if you have any questions let us know.

Which which five? I'm just curious cuz I could.

So, one, two, and then three, four, five. Is that how it's going to be? Oh, okay. So, taking the site, the one behind the house, two, and then the other three. And this one is going to the girl. Yeah. Up front. Correct. So that works. Newberry shoot. So what do they call the newberry? Yeah. We'll cross that bridge when we come to not sure. Yeah.

Okay. So this is would anyone like to speak on this issue? Hi. Um I don't mean to bring apart a problem. I live at 3 Peterbend which is in the recently 5-year development. Um and our numbers for my land survey are different than the survey that you have in front of you for the lines. This is made aware of us. Florida meeting about this

Thompson like this. So Van News is a surveyor for both things from 5 years ago from this and this line doesn't have the same numbers on it on each of the drawings. So therefore I think they need to have that that needs to figure out what's the exact number Mr. Mr. Bur spoke with Matt Steves. I didn't know this was an issue when I was walking in.

Upon uh speaking with Matt Steves uh just before this meeting, uh he told me that on the official maps that he has in his records, both of those dimensions are correct. The map that she had might have been a preliminary set before the house was built, before the development was built out, but on the official map sections, both those dimensions line up. What's what's the nature of the discrepancy?

My house lot is not a standard square rectangle. looks like a chiseled stone uh with very hard lines to determine. I am um the concern is that when I purchased my house, I didn't know that the land behind me had any ownership. It also didn't say it did on my deed plot. I didn't know that that area could be changed in any way. um in the last weekend and the holiday trees were taken down and brush which could be on their property it probably is and that is okay if it is but if it's if our lines are different and we're thinking one thing and they're thinking another as well as when when I purchased my house we didn't remove any more hedgery or anything any more trees it was already established for me as a new home and a new plot which we had grass put on and a play gym for my autistic son and all of these things. So, it just comes as a very big surprise. Um, I also have concern over where the utilities are going to be coming from for this property.

When did you purchase your house? In 2021. What month? You remember? I think we signed April. Yeah, we signed like the first week. [Applause] This is Yeah, I know. This has You board is the says final survey and it's stamped. This one is not doors unfortunately. [Music]

I also would love it for there to be some survey sticks posted on the property before more trees and brushery come down. Just some like post sticks for all the lots. The serving stick. [Music] on the bottom. [Music] Yeah. [Music] So this is what the war is.

Yeah, that's you can see it. All [Applause] right. question city after the construction property. Sometimes they do this. [Music]

Okay. No. Well, that's not that's not [Music] [Music] obviously has no merit. I know we can't we can't vote on that or approve that until we have the exact we have people come in for driveways and all for us to approve something it has to once the map is

correct in order to well as soon as you can get them to buy it you're already agenda it's not it's not aification so you don't as long as it is something that how to survey the numbers. Well, I don't know the numbers here. The drawings are definitely not the same. So, that's up to them to go.

Yeah, they they'll figure that out. Let's post and go check them out. I mean some of the information being the deed your deed would have a description of your needs and bounds. So I think as much background information to you know help management seems

well the deed actually says this it goes from point A and then it turns 45° it goes 57 ft.3 and turns this many degrees that's what your deed says that yeah that's what they can't do anything until we have that take precedence if there's an issue of that's you you right once we get the official map here that says what the boundaries are then we will act on Mr. Burrow's application if you and Mr. Burroughs has conflict that's going to be an issue that you're going to deal with outside of this board we have nothing to do with that we just can't act on this application knowing that there's a conflicting survey so we'll get a we'll get the accurate survey needs to come. Maybe we can even get them to come here and explain it and then we can act on the wild line adjustment. If there's an issue between the neighbors, that's not a planning board issue. Wasn't there ever [Music] in terms of deadlines?

In terms of deadlines, as as soon as you can get to give you a stamp or come to the meeting, we'll act. They don't have to the application to take one month. Correct. The first Wednesday of the month. [Music] Yes. You have to yourself.

That's a survey issue. That's not an issue. I've been here too far [Music] and the city is available on the max or whoever is supposed to give a stamp or explain Why do this?

He should have that. Yeah. So, probably should get you a calculator to try and see if there's a discrepancy or not. And they did that subdivision. So they should have

I don't know. But that's not very hectic. [Applause] survey respons for Craig and Cheryl Burroughs. Can I get a second? Please. All in favor?

I thank you. Sorry. site review SB25-000016 for Construction Services LLC representing number 309.35-3-1 County 45 site review convert an existing building office pursuant to city of Huntsville Zing code chapter 220 17 C2 this require site approval Our potential AR 25007 representing tax9.35-1 commonly known as architectural review to cover an existing building 220. required architecturally beautiful challenge.

Hi, my name is Christoph Construction Services. We're here on behalf of Adorandic Orthodontists who are actually a tenant in 88 Broad Street right now. Um they've entered into a contract to purchase 45 Hudson which is a vacant medical building about 6600 ft². Um the intention is to occupy roughly 3 4,000 ft and seek a tenant for the rear of the space. um hopefully a medical tenant as well. Um the plan is to renovate the facade. That's why Neil Glo architect is here. Uh obviously it's a extensive work on the inside that needs to be done. Update signage, lighting, uh some landscaping and all that stuff. So um building's got plenty of parking, more than enough for medical tenants in the entire building. um to the medical corridor as you're familiar and uh and yeah, he's essentially looking to move across the parking lot into a building that he owns and rehab it in the process. So, you have any questions about the tenant, the use, you can ask me. If it's more on the architectural side, I'll turn it over to Neil. Did you want to present?

I'm happy to.

My name is Neil Palone. I'm an architect working with Michael and the owner on this building. Uh the idea is to give the building a facelift. Um the current thinking right now is to recclad the entire building. Hopefully new windows. Um, a natural wood siding is what we're thinking, but it could go down to like a Nichi product or similar. Um, some of the window pattern changes, they're relatively minor, but all four sides are expected to be face lifted. Um, and just looking to modernize the exterior look a bit. Little Scandy, modern look. I think it would be great to give face to that.

Yes. A nice improvement. Um, so are those color is that the general range of colors that you're considering? Yeah. So, I mean, we don't have a final price, but the the owner liked this look. And again, it's sort of the Scandinavian modern is how I would describe it at this point. Um, so well is is in a good way. Well, I guess it's neither here nor there, but it's um that commercial strip doesn't have a lot of context for his

Scandinavian minerals. It sounds like um and then the horizontal is that cloud is so I if I have my way that's that's wood so like thermally treated wood product um again with the warm tones contrasted with a neutral that's skin minimalist go all in otherwise um don't well right I mean you know the other option is to take a look at the mass of it and say hm maybe some other words or some copings that one sees an architecture there it's

there doesn't you know I don't think that there's anything to match personally I guess that's what I was trying to or what I was thinking some houses buildings there's there's a post post office right post office I don't think it needs to match the post office yeah so that's we're on we're we're thinking the same thing and to address your earlier comment, the the success of this really is going to be in the details. So, if it's not going to come together well, we might choose a different material option. But this is the this is the aspiration, the neutral challenge and then horizontal on that one piece of something vertical and very straightforward.

Yeah. um lighting on the outside. So they they currently have there's going to be on building lighting is the plan. There currently is on building lighting. We're going to replace those update those. They're like I don't even they're old, right? So new full cut off. Yeah. Dark sky less. Yeah. There's no there's no holes in the parking lot. relying on existing fixtures other than having to hire one. Whatever's on the building is going to be coming off. Is there going to be any new revis?

No. In fact, we want to get rid of some existing um like unit condensers and makeshift shampoos that is over there. There's a screen fence area in the back near the back entrance of the building uh here on this like we think that's a good spot to relocate those. That's actually where the generator is as well as a screen vents. So, but these condensers that are in this area, we kind of want to get rid of those. This will be a very visible hot side building and um it doesn't work out there. This is basically going to be the second entrance. Focus on making that and approaching. So getting all these all this

over to where there's a fence between the two properties, right? The fence extends on it's actually part of this property. It comes over was created basically to screen the generator and I think some larger AC condensers as well. So you move everything. Yeah. So we just want to get rid of these that are kind of dotted along the line. Um are you going to have a um garbage uh dumpster? Thank you.

So, uh, Dr. Bstein has reached an agreement with Dr. Sonni because he's landlord now brought the existing dumpsters out here on the parking lot, Dr. Sony's lot. They're going to share those. So, he's not actually going to be putting any new dumpers on the site or these sites, I should say. So, the dumpsters that are there are going to stay there where they are. Is that true? That's why we're saying they belong to Dr. and they're going to continue to just use those. You're not adding any site. Yes.

I don't have any other questions on this. You said we haven't yet. So general. So do we have a little more detail? Yeah. show on the drawing. So, if we give you some materials now change,

we're getting kind of beat up and projects are getting started, but you need to change kind of need to know where they're going if if you have budget. So, and I understand how it is like you know versus cement saying whatever I mean if there is and and some people say it looks reasonable or not reasonable but if you're looking at a couple of different siding right and you say okay here's what we want but you may have to value engineer it back to this a general and you know

and I think understanding color for example that's what you commit to. I think it's just the actual products that go on that farming to get through the design, the pricing and contract involved. It's just where do you start to this match? You know what I mean? Right. But you you don't necessarily have to go back. You can identify the colors and projects. Well, they they have like but this is what we want but realistically what I'm hearing it might be something different

and then show us this color because the the choice of materials are very different is what we're talking about just for vegetarian reasons I don't specific which is fine.

Sure. Yeah. So, so let's say and you go to what you go to like somewhere my university is like and then you just So, so then in terms of that what you're calling is dark. You end up having to substitute this with a different material.

That's what [Music] [Music] my ears. Oh, so I use some questions.

Well, I I guess that's that brings up a question for me. Like, does the change in material change the look of how it's installed? like you're showing linear lines and then you're showing it. I can't tell if it's brick or if it's just a side, right? So, if you go from this material is your preference, but then you downgrade I don't use that. So, if you go to something less expensive, is it still going to look like that hiding in that color? It's still vertical pattern.

Yeah. Exactly. I think that's the change, right? That's what we're trying to do. We need it to look like that whether it's wood or cement. Correct. So could Yeah. Chrome it with the colors and how it's presented. That's the look, the vertical side of it, the black horizontal. And then if it changes whether it's the wood or the is it house brand submit right you can't

right in other words what we're saying is you know if if and Karen's point is is is a very good one obviously if you have to for budget reasons change the material but what we read as clouded sight in there suddenly becomes big panels that's No. Yeah, I think we can stick within the confines of those that those parameters. Yeah, that's fine. Is that so long as you're aware of any changes have to come back to the board before you get implemented?

If it if it if it's a major internal change, right? As far as material you guys know how this goes, right? We we can't go too far until we know we can do something. So let's just say you approach this. It goes back to Mike's going to price it. Going to pull out his hair, whatever. And then just also to potentially alleviate concerns here. Whatever plans they submit for building, we will assure that they match the architectural plans. Right. And we won't issue permits unless they do. So that from a procedural, we don't want we can in an effort to get this

you can build stages or what we're proving is the aesthetic that is what we look like we can say we don't Correct. [Music]

Yes. Other municipalities have done like an administrative change or consent agenda approval where you don't have to. It's just

Oh, that's Yeah, that's But yes, and and I think this also speaks to what Karen was saying was was the if the approval is this, this color palette, could be wood, could be cement board, and we can say but not. Oh, wow. For example, you know, I think seem like reasonable restrictions.

So I have another question. It's not taking up too much time. If we were to hypothetically do nothing to just interior fit what happens that's all clean exercise have to come. Yes, you still have to call for sight review, but if you're not making changes to the exterior, you do not have problem.

So, we want to move forward with the exterior where we can take the strategy where we I That's that's the aesthetics of the work that we're all looking at right now. And that color palette. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, looks great. And he's showing us the two different colors right there. Yeah.

So, you're saying we're going to like two options cuz I'm like you. I don't want to come back until we final. Well, that's No, no, no. Right. That's the exact point. They're presenting to us is what they're saying on the bill that those horizontal the horizontal siding there could be wood or it could be more put in that color. If he he's not we're not saying if you can't afford the wood you get to put great big great big vertical panels of melted light. But we're proving we are proving the image there. um that and we can

I think we can work with that and I think we understand that if there's going to be a later change schedule that I mean it means to get the interior rental get in there you know outside work if it delays another meeting or whatever approval on what we're seeing right now and then you come back next month with a hard stuff you have a month to price it research it you can start Yeah. Yeah. I think we're just trying to get comfortable with the language around that stuff. Yeah. That's But do you give you a part like a partial approval to start renovating? Come back next month. You've got a month to

Is there any way to ask what? No, shouldn't have heard that. Okay, I just heard what we were talking about was we will give you a board could give an approval with these colors and it's either wood or cement board or no line. Yeah, that's fine. Let's like if we had to deviate, we'd understand what that means coming back. That's that's everybody based on the look that you're presenting to us.

Yeah, these windows are all enlarged for the operator. See these are they are now that's going to happen regardless. So hopefully that was part of interior renovation aspect you guys will be that's right now wood colors. It looks like a dark black. That one's a black. It might go with a little bit more gray. I should say that. Let's just do what's on the table. I mean, you want products? No. So, that's that's the sort of analog there.

Um, we prefer you I don't really shingle right now. The idea is to change the color. So that's right now.

Oh, I have a question. So the special use aspect of this is for the medical use. If in fact he finds a medical surgeon is that cover. So that's covered in a general building. I would say that's if if the tenant that he eventually finds for the back is also a medical tenant or let's say a general office tenant, are we good to avoid future findings? Uh you'll need you'll need to file a change of occupancy, change of use.

Yeah. But yes, in that additional I see I see no reason why you would need

with with that being said it's drastically different use that may lead to a different interpretive right or something just something completely out of medical field something completely different than what we try to do best Yeah. So good. Yeah. We see medical office or general office. Yes. Medical, right? Okay. Seeker. Sure.

With respect to seeker, I would classify this as an unlisted action. The applicant has completed part one. The board is required to move to part two short environmental assessment form. Number one, proposed action. create material conflict in an adopted land use plan or zoning regulation? No. Will the proposed action result in a change in the use or intensity of the use of the land?

No. Will the proposed action impair the character or quality? No. Will the proposed action have an impact on the environmental characteristics that cause the establishment of a critical environmental area? No. Will the proposed action result in an adverse change in existing level of traffic or affect existing infrastructure for mass transit lighting or walkways? No. Will the proposed action be an increase in energy and incorporate reasonably available energy conservation or renewable energy opportunities? No. Will the proposed action impact existing public private water supplies? No. Public private wastewater treatment utilities? No. Will the proposed action impair the character or quality of important historic, archaeological, architectural or aesthetic resources? No. Will the proposed action result in an average change to natural resources such as wetlands, water bodies, groundwater, air quality, flora or barn? No. Will the proposed action result in an increase in the potential for erosion, flooding or drainage problems? No. What would proposed action create a hazard to environmental resources or human health? No. Based upon the board's review of part two, the board could issue a negative seeker declaration. I'd like to make a motion to cons media agency status for Chris Construction Services LLC representing owners of tax map number 309.35-1 uh located at

456 45. The board has the action to be a tight Unlisted action as reviewed the short form by our final assessment form and upon documentation discussion issues a negative declaration. All in favor?

Architectural site. I would like to make a motion that the ones planning board recognize the board of architectural site plan review hereby grant architectural site plan approval for the project identified as AR25-007 with the following stipulations that we use wood or cement board no vinyl keep the colors as they are and any major changes occur Come back please. Um for the project identified as 45 Hudson Avenue located at 45 W Avenue uh as presented to at the meeting of September 3rd, 2025. Second. All in

favor. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [Applause] for 30 minutes. Project our tax number 309.28-2-6 280-2-6 county 4656 South Street for a curve cut for access to a rolling garbage removal door to city zoning code chapter 189-16 to require advisory opinion from the planning board to the council. All right.

Thank you all. Appreciate it. Um, as you know, the project's uh this this project will be ongoing across the street here. And on the original drawing, we had shown a a door opening for the large opening that was on the back uh the back section by Elm Street. Um, again, when we first came to you with the project, there's uh things that we really that really weren't established. uh in all hopes we were going to provide a couple restaurants and you know some commercial spaces. Um but as the project developed uh we did you know link up with a team that is going to be bringing a restaurant in there and so that back door became essential and uh for a couple things. Uh we also really didn't have I think I don't know if we had in the original plan the garbages located in there but so we did uh so again we needed we we knew the garbages were going to be there but we also had a restaurant that came to um came up and so we'll have a delivery delivery service for any like kegs or um food delivery and so that's going to be a door that's going to be used primarily and it's nice because it's on street we won't have trucks stopping on South Street. It's a great little pocket there that they're able to stop right kind of out in front of Hank's quality flooring and uh and load things and and get rid out of the way. So, they'll be off the main the main strip. Part of the issue was when Home Street was done that street was redunding and put the curve right across the front of the door.

Yeah, I talked to Jeremy as well about that. I mean to say that's their fault is it really? It's not it's not a fault issue. It's just it was it wasn't that used. Yes. Right. The condition that the building was in right for right here, right? That's correct. Yeah. Right. Right.

So you're doing That's right. Because we we have that issue, you know, at the south at the Southpaw restaurant. Even with that little alley there, it's a challenge. Uh it's not a challenge for, you know, nine months out of the year, but when you have those ice storms and everything, even if there's a little lip, the uh those little pallet jacks that are automated electric, they they they just can't get up that. So, I mean, I actually asked for permission from Jeremy to be able to file that curb down or grind that curve down there at Southpaw just to to alleviate that situation there as well. So, yeah, even it was only like a little 2in curve. And again, I'm asking for forgiveness because I already Excuse me. How wide is that door? That 13 ft you're looking for. Yeah. So,

we're not driving in there. No, it's in. Yeah. To be able to be able to clear the sides of it because we just don't want it to be direct. Yep.

And also be correct. And there's garbages. So, that's that's kind of a nice thing. Even though nobody wants garbage in their building, I'm I'm creating in that little pocket there um you know, a fully ventilated room. It has, you know, floor drain. Um it'll be all cleaned out. It's all graned concrete in there. So we'll be rolling in and out of there. Two, I believe fouryard plastic dumpsters, you know, with the large wheels. So that'll be some a service that Cassella Waste does. They'll pull up, open those double doors, bring the garbages out from all of the building and the restaurants, and then actually, you know, dump that and then be on their way. That's how we um got any garbage on the property cuz there was no there's no land as you all know.

Practical. That's how that door is going to see.

Is there anyone in the community like to speak on this? Um Mr. Makes sense. Makes sense. Makes sense. I really don't make sense. [Music]

Yeah. [Music] Um, so I'd like to make an advisory uh opinion, a motion that left hereby submits the following advisory opinion to the GBA town council that the current be allowed at this entrance on down Street um enter the building at 46 and 56 South Street for service entrance.

Um should look with favor on this application of Chris Patton property development um with varants etc. whatever we need to make that curve cut the planning board make that recommendation. Um can I get a second? Second. All in favor?

Thank you. Thank you. All right. Paty management owners of tax plan number 309.25-26 county 4656 South Street is seeking architectural review after exterior side of the existing building pursuant to city of Huntsville zoning code chapter 22019E. This require architectural review and review and approval. Good evening again. My name is Paul here with Chris. Um couple changes that have been made to the building um that the building department asks to bring forward to you so we can get those things cleared up. Um this is the original approval the original approval set of drawings uh when we we can literally look across the street and see the change that was made. Um what our intent was originally was that the camping that's there was going to be individual to each one of the each one of the tenant spaces. As Chris got to working on the building, they found out that the way the brick cornness was, they couldn't break it up that way. So it was easier to bring the bring mechanical running all the way across the facade of the building. Um it had been our intent that that would be turned down the side of the building and just be flat. uh he turned it around the building and brought it down just to make it match. So aesthetically the canopy runs around the building and matches on both sides of of the street side. Uh the other change that was made was from brown to black. Um picture you can see it. Um we did change some window configurations as well just to fit tent to do tent fitups. So basically what's been what's been done is what we've shown on the second boat version. In addition um to the reason being for the awning just so everyone is fully aware uh while we were out there on the

on the scissor lifts throughout the throughout the last few months above that beam we found that the there were three layers of brick that were stacked on top of each other and they stepped back about 3/4 of an inch and I'd say about 35% of those bricks were in good shape. the other 70% uh because of that shelf it actually you know water got on it sat on it you know it just you know expand and froze and cracked and so you know as a part to to not only just we don't we didn't just make this because we wanted to I mean it also hid this the big steel beam that had all kinds of welded things on there um and it was you know rusty and in that nature and then the uh the the brick itself it was just beyond repair and there was you know there's an entire building that's above it so we do what we good. You know, we remort we re mortised some things and made it structurally sound and then built that over to kind of encapsulate some of that damaged beyond repair brick work.

You can go back to the first you said the original intent was to have individual each one of them. If you look at the sign, you can see the on indicated on the side here. I did not keep my original packet from way back. I have this. So I was having to So you basically had individual pieces in between. Those are fabric awnings like what you see up and down, right?

They remove the arms. They were going to be built in but we had we they didn't they discontinued at the break and and as I said when he got up there and started started doing the work that's that's how we got indicated there flat on the side and as he got up in there and started doing looking at the repair work the the way of the brick had sat there all the water came down and just sat there and was working it way back under actually starting to deteriorate. where you're at steel.

Yeah. So, I mean, there was a few reasons I made that choice and honestly to ask for, you know, forgiveness. Again, I have this I think I have this history and I need to be better about that. Um, uh, you know, I've talked to the mayor quite a bit and also the city officials, but um, you know, this was a decision that I made because I thought it was absolutely beautiful and I hope that you guys all share that opinion. I'd say probably 5,000 people have told me the same thing. It's probably one of the nicest features that we've, you know, put on though. Really breaks up the top from the bottom. And um and obviously I I didn't use any cheap products. I used custom slates that could to tie in the dirt. The board is black. Yeah, it's black. All t and then

it'll be wrapped. Yep. Yep. And then there'll be I bought really nice high-end like a luxurious style LED, you know, recess fixture that's black and square. And I actually paid for aluminum set to be installed up underneath there. So it's not wavy and floppy in 10 years. I built it to last forever. Um solid aluminum set and then you know like it's almost $30 per fixture for a nice recess trim light that's LED and it's going to look like you know state-of-the-art. It's going to be beautiful. The other thing I want to point out that that has been done, we have the sign, the tenant signs for each space that we're showing. It's flat against the side. The way this is actually installed, it's really easy to see it. There's a there's a board that's above each door. There's a different mounting board that's above each door and it's actually going to be perpendicular to the street so that as you're walking up and down the street, you can see from being across the street didn't really make sense. walking, you know, the way that was originally set up.

If you're walking, if you're walking down the street, it's flat on the facade and you can walk by it. Whereas these are going to be underneath the awning perpendicular to the street. You dug into the sign code to make sure that they get to that point.

We're conforming with the neighboring properties as well. That's the same old monkey showing here and you know place and stuff. Everything's kind of helped that way. And I want to keep just for you. I'm gonna try to keep everything as uniform as possible. Signage, sizing, and things, you know, with nice arms and just hang a nice beautiful sign just like Burlington, Church Street, those kind of places. This also provides a spot for me to actually suspend, you know, like a quality camera. And the city of Guns Falls is my camera footage many times whenever they have access to some things at street corners that are showing my buildings. Uh, this will have I think I think we don't fully, but I believe there are six exterior cameras that face in every different direction and cover the entire perimeter of that property. It'll all be DVR recorded and available. So, be lit.

Yeah. And so, Nina, this is to you specifically. I remember talking to you um about your request very much. you were very much adamant about not tying or not changing the color of the brick columns from that blue. You you made sure you were you wanted to make sure

and you wanted to make sure that I painted those columns blue to match the upper so it tied the two buildings together. So I made sure that I did that as a primary request of yours and then I I didn't actually have a submitt on any product in between those this the um windows in between the columns. So that's why I just I went with a black a brick or stone obviously and um you know again it was shown brown in the conceptual drawing but you know this is kind of like a brown stone. It's a brown stone charcoal. I mean it's not like I was trying to bait and switch any products. I used a very high-end luxury stone. I got it. Sorry.

Um and and and I remember the conversation about how the bodies very specifically as well. Um, but backing up, the very first time I presented the project to the Glenn Falls Planning Board, Ethan was the chairman and he said to me, you know, you have to build what you're showing us. And and yes, that's true. Now I understand the you know the construction r behind why you changed the awning there and um to to your comment on the stone base. We actually very very specifically talked about not putting stone

not putting white stone not stone specific stone there that was what we discussed.

Oh that's exactly what said um I think uh and maybe we need to you know make sure that the letters I sent out are clear but I think they are um so we can't just go memory. I guess the the larger point I want to make is you've now been developing in this city for a while. You got a track record here and you've you've got a body of so when somebody else comes in and says I want to start building false I want to develop. They're going to look to you because you are now you know really doing you have a substantial portfolio. How does Chris Pat do it

putting together quality projects and taking over buildings that are done? And I should open by saying thank goodness that building no longer looks the way it has looked for decades. Thank goodness. But I think that but since you are doing so much work here, I feel like those walls and you and us should be partners and I feel like there's a disconnect. And what I don't like is the fact that as you said you did some stuff at our meet the conditions of your approval do it now and ask for forgiveness later can't be how it works especially if people are looking to you how does Chris Patton develop new things and principles because we can't have that I already got yelled at by the building department quite a bit

right and and it's important because that's the reason yeah I hear so if it makes sense in a constructional standpoint, then I can make the change. No, I I need to make a change altogether. Well, you saw what I don't know if you're watching our our last applicant, but they weren't 100% sure what their exterior material was going to be, right? However, there was a look and a color palette and massing things and it's it's either going to be this or it's going to be this, but it's got to look like a picture,

which is exactly what he said to me. you know, or you come back and you come back and say, "Look, man, this this is this whole thing rotted out and I got to do something. Here's what I proposed in keeping with the essence of how we approved or the spirit of how we approved the application." Yeah. But I can tell you right now that conversation that we had did not come along with it a submitt for that product. Whether you said cladding or whatever, I honestly didn't give you a submitt. So, that should be a requirement of the So, I'm not going to make No, I'm not. I'm just saying I should have but the larger I should have given you a submittal on that

the larger issue is so for example I understand your justification for changing window patterns it's to reflect my going on inside but we had pretty in-depth conversation about the historical precedent for the big open storefronts all along here and around the corner and so we approved a picture that looked like that. We approved a picture that looked like that. That's all, you know, we got to go on. You showed us something and and then changed it. Is it good changes or bad changes? That's kind of this point. You know, like I said, I've already gotten my

I got my I'm saying reference. So, I'm not going to weigh in on your architectural changes, per se, other than the fact that um you don't like the way it looks. That's my architectural opinion. You know what else? It's too late. I was just asking. And that's the issue. I was just asking what your opinion is. It's too late. Had you come to us, we would have had a discussion about it. Right. I hear you. I was just asking what your opinion was. Do you not like the way it looks? I don't like the way it looks. I think it looks like a strip mall.

A strip mall. But that's my opinion. Now it maybe maybe when you get a nice black metal edge on there, it'll tone it down. A strip mall. But nine months project. But you don't have to agree with me. I don't. and we and the board doesn't have to agree with any of that, but I'm referring to simply just the awning. But the point is it that doesn't mean that you couldn't build it that way. My I don't vote, right? I don't vote on this board. You ask my thought,

but I my opinion is simply that we've lost the process. That's all. And I think it would be so much better if we all worked hand in hand, you know, collaboratively on the really big things that you're doing. Sure. Cuz it's beautiful. Thanks. It is. How about the backsiding color? We didn't have a submitt on that. You didn't like it. We didn't we didn't give you a submittal on it, but we we did whatever I wanted, but but you're not But you're way you're not weighing the opinion of the back of the building cuz everybody likes it. So the the back of the building didn't matter to you, but now the front does. I mean, come on. No, no, no, no.

I'm just I'm kind of I'm at my wits on here. I I don't know how long I can stand here and listen to you. I I apologize. No, then I'm done. And I don't listen to for myself. I put my blood, sweat, and tears. What is the city? Beautiful.

No, it's not beautiful. You think it's ugly. You think I made a bad choice and you don't like me and I and to know a little about this connection. Just you are doing all these projects. I just said I admit it. I I if I make a change from the drawings from now on, I'll come to you. But I can tell that's all I said. We got to communicate. I get it. We all We're all in this together. And there needs to be a better better submitt process for every if we're going to have an argument about product on anything. There needs to be a submitt for each and everything. A submitt for that interior facade. Whether you call clap or whatever, I didn't give you a submitt on it. So there was nothing for me to go with.

I'm just saying the submitt process should be a little Stop. Stop. Please stop. It's not It should not be a dialogue between our architect and the applicant. The board can discuss this. Nina has said, "Please,

Mr. Sh, I wasn't on board. I was originally going to change. I think you're you're aware of that." I think you are. Um, one thing I think that I'm not sure is I have to go back, but that's a 13 sprinkler building. Um, sprinkles in the office. So, get extra sprinkles.

We already dry heads. Northeast. Okay. that I know in the size itself I believe that would require some specific windows. So I believe garden require sprinkler I'll show you something that's all I have like I said I wasn't originally did it I see kind of dismay completely different than it was originally um I understand that I would probably be in the same situation if I was that time I can understand based off the first today. I agree.

It wasn't a baby.

No, like I said, I mean, you guys been there for a long time. And you know, it's not a new application. more quickly. It's just adjacent. So, it's kind of process. So, um I'll go along with you as far as the lesson learned. I have a lot of respect for you and what you've done with your work. I think your your expertise is in historical renovation. Um I really do. But like I say, you've got a lot going on and you're young and I think you're going to have a hell of a lot more work going on. And like I say, we're just looking for some kind of communication.

Yeah.

You know, like I say, and you know, and ask for good news, Les Fall has gone through I lived here my entire life. I was 69 years old. We've got the biggest growing pains and the biggest growth we have ever had. And um I think developers got to get used to the fact that we don't have new sheriffs in town, but we find the app sharers in town. We got a building and department that's in the whole stick. All right. The same people who are pigeon that was a wildlife do whatever you want. mention the fact you have people that that are enforcing the laws. Um, and like I say, so I don't want you to think that we're against you, but like I say, you're you know, my latest thing and I'm almost reluctant to bring it up. I I've had more people call me about that about the lights on the roof, which I don't remember any conversation.

No, I as long as you brought this up. Is there LED lights on this roof? Yes, sure is. On the cable to illuminate the cordals. Yeah. Not all the way around. Just on the base and the side. Are you kidding me? Do I have to go back to the plane for that? Yes. Yeah. Okay. We've got trust going on and they spent like 30 grand in town. I'm not voting for it. Yeah. That's Yeah. You can't just throw something like that up there and change the whole look of the street. No, you guys said it was in the original. The approval was with the other no one ever. It's in the original approval.

I I said it's in the original approval when that's what you guys approved is on plans. Yeah. Said that it's in the original approval. I said, "Okay, no plans." And you met with PJ. He said it was plans for the accent lighting. They were showing they were showing lower. They were they were like halfway up on the on the brick.

Yeah. That's not wrapped around the top of the building. That's two totally different animals, you know, like Peter Hoffman has on his building over there. The little accent light, not the Vegas neon light on the top of the building. It's capable anything but it's it's also just you can put one light every six feet. I have not seen that. I don't have any power yet. They were only I took I took hook up for one day and she was trying.

Well, there's a lot of people to say, you know, maybe that's cool. But it's something you guys start really it was about providing lights for Christmas. That's what this that was all about. I mean it's Christmas lighting just like Peter has one of the most nicest buildings down there that has the ability to do red and green for the season. It just it doesn't have to doesn't have to be to make a strip mall. It's just red and green lights. So it's an accent. It's beautiful for downtown. It's a Christmas feature. I mean, I didn't honestly I didn't really think you need I mean to put Christmas lights on your house. I don't know the fact that they can do all those crazy things. Not I'm not saying they're not that's what I plan to do with them. They just have, you know, 4,000 options and they one of the options is, you know, one light every 6 ft and then during Christmas I can with my phone go red and green. It's going to be the most beautiful building downtown. I mean, I didn't know I had to get that. I I mean you got to remember there's a lot of lot of home counters that once falls down not

no it's not in there and like I say that's something that it's not you know but on the same token we're also trying to just like like said about trust fun they spend 20 $30,000 and they may not be able to use we're trying to prevent you from being the same service that's no I keep them off I had to for Christmas that's what I did them But I think I think we're approaching the point as a board that we're going to have stuff like that are already out and they already work. We're going to put money and then you're going to be really nice. So, you know, again, this is just we're trying to move forward. [Music] So, I guess the lighting thing in the roof would be a different other than that. So I I guess I have a question and the question can we legally authorize this after we've already classified we classify it as a hearing where there's a change in circumstance and new information with respect to a particular application for a motion motion made by any members This is new information before it's done or

a change in circumstance or doesn't say and it says a change in circumstances or information back to a particular cycling. So, you know, from my perspective, I understand. I mean, you had a structural problem. I guess I don't understand the windows and the the changing of the color from black to brown. So, I'm conflicted. So, part of it I understand you're a contractor in a building falling apart. You got to fix it.

The windows are are changed because we actually lined up commercial tenants. When we come to you 10 to a year and a half ago, we don't even have we had a discussion with a single commercial tenant. As the building starts to come together, starts to look beautiful. I have people approach me, they may want to put a restaurant in or other commercial spaces in which those, you know, facads change for their needs. That's the reason for the window change. Mr. Marcus, I I will say it's not unusual for us to allow slight departures from architectural review for commercial fitups for tenants in our office. So that's not against president by any means in regards to the wage. I know I have two restaurants when I came here a year and a half ago. Now I have two restaurants going in. Yeah.

And so do you like to meet fire colleagues for the restaurants? You have to change put in beds and do all the inspire department. We're working they're all everything's been submitted to department. All right. question seven. Sure. Hi. Um because this is our review, it doesn't fall under so

right. My only thought with that is for the future when it's changed like that because it's an outside plan and because people need to be notified for future contractors if there is something major would there kind of be a little more leeway. I'm getting on board versus having to Does that make sense? I think it's a discretionary call in the building department. Um,

we did work with Chris to get him here today so that he could continue move forward with this project and we did provide him with some leeway on certain scenarios, but again, I just need deadline. That's all. Well, I again, it depends on the circumstances. In this case scenario, it was a we did it and now we're asking for forgiveness instead of permission. Um not not necessarily but future but future projects such as this of a hey if there is any major change it's a we have a bigger window of being able to maybe get you back in front of the board sooner than later

depending on how quickly they can produce new materials and how quickly I can give the board time to review that. I like to give everyone adequate time to review materials and also the submission materials I often will tell you I will ask for more final first submission. Yeah. Um so yes I I in that sense because notice is there it is possible in extraordinary circumstances but our office does treat deadlines pretty well.

I think it looks awesome. I think it's going to be a very addition downtown. I want to say that I don't know about the whole thing you what you did on the other corner over here is just it stands out and it really was one of the first buildings that was done and was really safe in the right direction. Um, you own that building. The reason why I'm having a hard time and just like the grip, the rest of it, it look it looks great. Just I I beg you to communicate with us.

I want you to do well. Truly truly um keep this communicate with us. You know, it's like I said to you on the phone, there's a responsibility that we're supposed to have to protect you as your investor and not have someone come in and throw something up next to you that's cracked or that doesn't fit. And that's that's supposed to be what our responsibility is, you know. You know, I agree. So, yeah. Yes. You know when I this building sitting here like this I go back to go across one of the oldest cities that was never fawned during any of the wars and there's a building very reminiscent of this right in the middle of 2y old buildings right on the river. So it does break up the architecture and make it a little different. Am I you know does it really fit here? I don't know these old buildings but it breaks it up so it's not missing out on old buildings. So, um, it seems like everybody's kind of aired their your thoughts here. Um, I don't want to say this cuz we're not we want you to do the right thing. Just work things and you guys you guys are a huge change here. But when I do the building, you know, the core 276 line, you it's a whole different environment. So, I mean, yeah, it's us adjusting. And I can tell you I'm not one of those guys that was like, you know, super pumped to work in the wild west. I was actually more keen to work in Queensberry because they were more strict, but they were strict to everybody and you didn't get away with anything. And yeah, in the city of Hunts, you know, it's about who you knew and that was not not the right way to go. I didn't like working in the city because I don't like getting away with things. And as I mentioned before, this isn't a baby switch tactic. You know, if I was trying to take something from this

building and, you know, save some money, this is me spending $100,000, hundreds of thousands. If I did clapboard good siding, I would have saved so much money. But that's not my game, you know? I I like to provide things that last forever. My kids are going to see this home. I think, you know, because we have a big one coming next month. Trust me.

Yeah. And I don't know if any of you people have seen those things, but that is a big section. Well, you're not serious. It's hard. You're not approving the lights. You're approving architectural review. the dark gray stone substituted for the brown beige panels and the sign is installed perfectly. Whatever whatever he said here application that's what you're approving and lights aren't on here and that's between him and the building and quotes department and they say it was in the original plan. Um can I ask a a contextual question here just for opinion

of this board? Um say the capability say we determined that a part. So say we determined they were not a part of the original submission. I'm not saying they were if we don't do a temporary light permit in this city. If Mr. Captain wanted to display red and green Christmas lights during the Christmas months. Is is or feel that's departing from the architectural world? Okay. I just I just wanted to clarify. I just wanted to clarify to decorate. I I absolutely agree.

And that's lighting like and other buildings happen. So they're those they just they have you know they're very expensive. I can tell you where Scott not exactly what trust Scott regardless I mean they're there to provide access they're not yes they have the capability on the out would I ever put them up that way absolutely not I don't want that either I that'll be ruining my building so no you know maybe a tea light every six I have them in my house we don't have them on all year

well it's a big thing for us that those lights have changed so much in the last 20 years so it's something that now it's going to be another thing that we're going to have to deal with. Um, you might have a problem with construction. So you're you're getting your approval tonight is for the change in the awning, the dark gray stone substituted round panels, the signific And the window size changed. If disguise, I can tell you one more thing. We are just about done. There will be no changes. This is it. I'm done with the exterior.

So, this is it. I'm not covering the curves. I'm over here next. I find Yeah, I'm going to be I'm going to be following that quite well. I got the Ess issues and things come up. Same thing in your office. You have the other just I do want to I do actually speaking of lighting the parapits that are, you know, extended above above the uh rooftop. I want to put accent lighting on those parapits. I think that's going to make that building stand out architecturally. It's going to be beautiful. It'll show the different corners, the different levels. And then on the point sign where it says the point at 10 raw street I would like to back that. So I mean I'll back those are great ideas. But you you saw

No. Yeah. I don't think that stuff for sure. I mean that's a neon light. Yes, there needs to be a motion for architectural review.

I would like to make a motion that the lost planning board act as board of architectural review hereby grant architectural approval for the project identified as patent property management. um located at 4656 South Street. Approved as presented at the meeting on September 3rd, uh 2021. I get a second. All in favor? Sorry. Thank you. Be better. Make a motion to adjourn. [Music]