Planning Board - Regular Meeting

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Welcome, everyone, to the City of Glens Falls Planning and Architecture Review Board meeting for September 2nd, 2026. Our first order of business is approval, review of the minutes from August 5th 2026 meeting and get those approved if anyone has any comments. So, you weren't here, do you have any?

I have no comments, thank you.

No comments. No comments.

No comment.

No comments. Okay, then I make a motion that we approve those minutes as they are and can I get a second on that?

Second.

All in favor? Aye. Okay, all right. First item on the agenda this evening is small business encroachment permit. Roger Levac, owner of 54 Mason Street, tax map number 302.12-16-33, seeks approval for a 16-foot encroachment curb cut to install additional driveway on Baldwin Avenue pursuant to the City of Glens Falls Zoning Code Chapter 220, dash one three K and one, this application requires an advisory opinion by the Planning Board to the Common Council. Warren County Planning has issued a finding of no countywide impact, notes area variance number 41.35 lot coverage, where 35% is allowed. Approved by Zoning Board of Appeals 8-17-26.

Good evening. Welcome. You are? For your records. My name is Ethan Hall. I'm the principal of the Rosinski Hall architecture. Here tonight representing Roger Luback and Alan Van Hoff, who are at 54 Mason Street. So yeah, they did have to go and get an area variance for lot coverage. We got that at the last zoning board meeting. What they're really looking to do is just provide a paved parking area beside the garage. where most normal people have a nice big apron in front of their garage between the garage and the street. This garage literally sits right on the property line and there's not enough room to park anything between the garage and the street. So that extra utility trailer and they have a vehicle that they can't get in the garage. So they're looking to park it beside there. So we did have to go get the area variance for that. And now we're seeking just the curb cut approval and the recommendation to the Common Council.

You know, did you have any comments on this?

I had some comments, but a lot of them seem to be answered by this sketch that was just provided. The two feet from the pole, is that?

That came from National Grid. That came from National Grid? Yep, that they wanted to save two feet all the way around the pole so that if they ever have to come and replace it, they can put another one beside it without interfering.

So then it's going to widen up to 19 feet? Yeah. So it's going to be oversized vehicles that go in there?

Well, they have a Jeep SUV and a utility trailer.

And the 21 feet, it was originally 30 feet, so 21 feet is what they're looking for. Since a lot of my questions were answered, I guess I would ask if it'll be designed so that all of the water sheeting

all the stormwater is gonna sheet to the eaves trench.

Yep.

Mr. Morfis?

No, I believe the changes are adequate. Okay, I'm okay with it. Ms. Judd?

So the proposed paved parking area is alongside the garage?

Correct.

You don't need approval for that?

That's what we're here.

Just getting the curb cut.

Yeah, we had to get the zoning. Yeah, we had to get the area variance for lot coverage.

For the lot coverage. Yep. And we don't need to give like site plan for that. No. Okay, I'm just clarifying. I want to make sure.

Yep.

So we, it's not for our preview here to... they approved you to pave that whole area?

They approved us to pave, yeah, to increase the paving and the non-permeability on the lot above what's allowed by code.

But it's not to say they approve the site plan.

Right.

It's just up to that amount of . Right. I guess that's what I'm questioning.

Yeah, because I personally don't, I'd like it with maybe one lane with grass there and the whole deal instead of changing the whole character of that corner.

Well, that was my question. When they approved the area variance for the lot coverage, did it include the proposed paved parking area? Yes. It did? Yep. Not just the curb cut that you have?

No, no. No, we had to get it for the entirety of the project.

I'm sorry. I understand now, and I don't have any other questions.

So I'm sorry, just to be clear. So the curb cut is the 16E?

Correct.

Okay. I don't have any other questions either.

Okay so the permeability part I go back to the dealing with the water superintendent and the engineer who pretty much made that a standard anytime we approve any type of impermeability on any properties so it doesn't go into the street. So is that going to have any type of drywall or is it just going to be crushed stone and what's the depth of crushed stone? The eave trench. How's the eave trench going to be maintained?

Yeah, so it's a two foot deep eave trench full of stone. And the permeability over on that side of town is you almost can't make water stay in the ground. So it perks right through. So we've given enough volume in that area. So how deep is it? It'll be two feet deep and it's two feet wide. And it's the length of the garage or the length of the parking area.

Okay, that's the question.

I don't have any other questions.

Seems that the zoning board already approved to pave that whole corner. No one here on the board has any issues with this as it is? Paving that pretty much the whole corner. It looks like there's going to be a, there's an existing fence there now? I don't remember.

Paving up to the existing fence and everything from the fence out to DeSantis Drive is going to remain grass.

How far is it from the fence to the street?

It's about, well, because it goes on the corner, I'd say right up at the end of the fence, it's about four, it's two, Yeah, it's almost five foot. It's two passes of a lawnmower to get through there. And then it gets larger as DeSantis goes away. So it's probably closer to about eight feet as you get further.

Right, so that's all inside the fence anyway.

Yeah, everything's on the inside of the fence line.

And it is tough to pull up with your car, to have to go in the garage every time. No one who does that. All right. I really don't.

Can I just ask a question for the curb cut itself, just because that goes to my office? So I know you're proposing the 16-foot, 8-inch curb cut, or curb apron, excuse me.

Yes.

Is that, but that's going to be extending what's already there.

Correct.

So how long is that?

How long is the total?

Yeah, because I'm assuming, yeah, it'll have to go all the way across. Oh, it goes all the way across in front of the garage.

Well, that's already there.

No, no, no, I know. I just, just. So.

It'll be a total of about 40 feet by the time all is said and done. It's the width of the existing garage plus the 16th. And there's really, I mean, there's no curb there now. So we're applying for a curb cut, but there's really no curb. So it's just adding the apron, the concrete apron.

It just won't be a separation.

Correct. It'll all be across the front. Is this a single family residence? Yes. Yep. Three and a half.

Two in the garage, two out on this new pavement.

Yes. The 19 feet's not quite wide enough to get two cars in there comfortably. Yeah, well. Okay.

Would anyone from the public like to comment on this issue?

Okay then. There's no seeker with respect to the advisory opinion, right? So I would like to make a motion that the Glens Falls Planning Board hereby submits the following advisory opinion to the Common Council. that they should look with favor on the application of Roger Levesque, owner of 54 Mason Street, tax map number 302.12-16-33 for a 16.8 foot encroachment curb cut to install an additional driveway on Baldwin Avenue that the curb cut will be a concrete apron and a conformance with the code. It will be connected to the existing driveway curb cut and that it will comply with the area variance granted by the ZBA for 41.35% lot coverage and that all storm water must be maintained on the subject property. Absolutely.

Second? All in favor?

Aye. Aye. Aye. Great. Thank you very much.

Which one is that?

Feldman.

The Feldmans again?

Yep.

This has been hanging around for a while, right?

Yeah.

We need to make a motion for that.

I'd make a motion to table the site plan review application of Adam and Kelly Feldman, 146 Maple Street, SP 26-15, an architectural review application 26-002, due to the failure to provide a complete application by the deadline.

Second. All in favor? Aye. Third item on the agenda this evening, architectural review AR25-014, amended Leonard and Cooper Lawrence, owners of 188 Maple Street, tax map number 303.17-13-17, seek an amended architectural review approval for the construction of a permanent stage, original approved December 2025.

Okay, hello. The main change here from last month to this month is there was a question about lot coverage. So what's being proposed is to remove a section of the parking lot that is not a parking space anyway, because it's a corner spot. So you can't fit a car in there. So we're not losing any parking to get us to the amount of lot coverage that was approved by ZBA. So the only other thing like we discussed last time was the dimensions of the building are slightly different than what was originally proposed. So I guess that's the next item for the planning board.

Great, Chairman. So I just asked Ms. Gaddy if she could maybe update the board so we know exactly what we're doing at this meeting with respect to architectural review and the amended site plan application, please. If you don't mind, Chairman.

So we're removing, what was it, like 178 square feet or something of that nature. Basically, the change in the size of this structure, we're removing asphalt and we'll bring it back to permeable. So I don't know how to describe it any better than that.

Well, you've had a lot going on over there. Yeah. Added a lot to the city, and I think it's a good thing. It's just we have to kind of know where we're at.

That's fine.

I don't know if the paper plans, but the But the electronic plan still didn't have a revised date on them, which was of a concern. So I just want to make sure that we are noting this is the most recent version. I told them.

I told them that.

OK. No, no, I told them. Maybe I missed it. Maybe I missed it. But version control is important to us and to the board members.

I'm not going to get busted on this one. On the very top, there's a revision block. Revision, Ethan Hall, Brzezinski Hall Architecture. On the very top corner, there's a revision block. See, he did it. Revision one. I told him. On the electronic.

Not on the new one. On the new one? Because I've got the electronic copy here. 18 August, 2026.

Here you go.

No, we talked about the architectural elements last time. I think I asked if the new lights would be on photo cells, and you said yes. Mm-hmm. And that you're not proposing any mechanical units outside associated with this, because it's not going to be... Any what units outside? New mechanical units.

Oh, mechanical...

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No questions, as long as the fire code and stuff is met.

So I was going to ask Aaron afterwards.

Yep, the only other thing I mentioned last time, and as long as it goes through the code process, I have no issues with it, is I was curious about no footings for the containers, which is usually, I know for construction of a structure with containers, they usually require a footing below the frost line. So it was something that I think your code review should pick that up for you. So I think

So the containers themselves are sitting on the crushed stone. And the frost protection is provided by the slab, which is actually connected to the building itself. So these things are just kind of freestanding.

So the whole building floats then?

Yes, on the Alaskan slab.

No, as long as you get through code process.

Just a clarification. So where you're removing the parking space for permeability, it just says to be restored to meet permeable ground standards. Can you tell us exactly what is being proposed? Like, will that be lawn? Will that be stone? What exactly is that going to be?

It'll probably be, let's say, lawn. It's not, you know, it's gonna be native plantings or something, but we'll call it lawn. It's not gonna be stone. Thanks.

Okay. Aaron, you've went over all this. I mean, it'll become, okay.

No, yeah, Aaron Werff, Fire Prevention Officer for the City. We reviewed it, and I actually just spoke with Ethan, because the areas on the end are secluded if you have those doors closed. Like I said, just mentioned to Ethan, the exit signs are going to have to be there, and then the extinguishers, as Chief said, just meeting the fire code, which Eric and Ethan have always been very good about and met with us to make sure that they're compliant. So I have no concerns. The couple of things I brought up, Ethan said that they're already looking at, so.

Okay, as long as you're all set.

Yeah, because I think somewhere on here there's a note for e-lights and crash bars and all that happy stuff. Yep, we talked about it a couple of meetings ago.

I just wanted to have everything okay. I really don't have everything. It seems like you've complied with everything we've asked for. It's greatly appreciated. I don't have anything. Ms. Murray? Okay.

Would anyone from the public like to comment on this item on our agenda?

Okay. Thank you.

Is this, so just because I wasn't, this is not the site plan as well? This is site plan and architecture?

Okay, got it.

I think that was the consensus last time.

Do them together? Do them together, sure. Okay. I'd like to make a motion that the Glens Falls Planning Board, acting as the board of architectural and site plan review, hereby grant site plan and architectural approval for the project identified as Leonard, Cooper, and Lawrence, owners of 188 Maple Street, tax map number 303.17-13-17, as presented at the meeting of September 2nd, 2026.

Any second?

Can I add to it? Yep. Subject to fire department compliance and all necessary building permits and code office compliance. Thank you. Then I'll second.

All in favor? Aye. Thank you. Next item on the agenda, signboard review SB26-010, Giovanni Fresco, LLC, owner of 30 Walnut Street, tax map number 303.17-11-11 seeks signboard review painted advertising mural on three sides of the building.

Hi.

Hi, everybody. Yeah, so my name is Hannah Williams. I'm a muralist. I've got paint all over me coming from a job. Yeah, so I'm seeking approval for a pretty awesome project that I want to do with Giovanni. I'm representing him today as well. it is going to be advertising. It's kind of, no, it's a mural, but it's advertising all the foods of his business. Um, and a little touch on like, uh, like his known on like a little bit of the history. We just kind of wanted to bring back some old school signage in a different kind of way, literally like a fresco painting. Um, and you know, I know the history for, uh, that area was kind of like, especially that building was, uh, pasta manufacturing plant in the early 1900s. But yeah, it's going to be the primary visual will be on Lawrence Street, which pretty much will be full coverage of a design, basically from the ground up. A little bit carries over of the doorway, and then on the wall that faces Walnut Street will just be a little bit of a carryover of the design on top and then some hand painted signage. But then everything below that is gonna be blank.

Would anyone from the public like to comment on this item?

Nina?

So those grape leaves go all the way around the all three facades, and then on one side it just has the Giovanni fresco, and then all of the menu items and Nona are on that facade. Correct. I mean, I think it's lively, and was that building really a pasta?

Yes, I can't think of, my mind's a little mush right now after working today, but... I want to say it's like Tripoli. There is a gentleman that owned that building in the early 1900s and made pasta out of that area. And then he owned a restaurant as well. I can't think of what it's called.

So I agree that it's a sign more than a mural, but I think it's... Mr. Morpherson.

So I remember it about 70 years ago, and it was a pharmacy then. But I think that's an improvement. I like it.

I have no objection to it. I like it. Your art is beautiful.

Thank you. I was going to say, we've seen what you've done in the city, and it all looks really great. So I like it. I think it's a great idea. Thank you.

No objection.

Just one question. On the lower portion, It looks like wood. So are you cladding that lower area in wood or is that like faux wood painted?

It would be all hand painted. OK. Yeah, no attachments or anything. It's all just hand painted. OK. And that's just like the general idea. It will be my hand in it, so it won't be like, it will be as exact as what you see, but with my style.

Just want to understand, you're not changing the material of the building? Correct.

Yes, it is all going to be hand painted. Okay, thanks.

So yeah, what it looks like, the table that she's working on, it looks like wood, that'll just be painted on the side of the building? Correct. And this is just a representation, it's going to be close to what's there?

Exactly, yeah.

Okay. I really don't have any issues with it. You see some of the older buildings here in town advertising like that on this and you're continuing that kind of thing that takes us back 100 years, I really don't have any issues with it. No one from the public is here to comment on it.

Is there a maintenance plan for the mural?

We don't want it peeling a year from now. Well, right now it's getting prepped by a professional commercial painting company.

People at home, yes, please.

Yes, so it's getting prepped right now by a commercial painter. so that it's done right because there has been issues with that building. It's kind of been, you know, just needed to get work done for a long time. So that's all going to be done correctly. And then as far as my maintenance plans, it's different per client, you know, whether it's more commercial like Giovanni here or if it's more of like a city contract, it's really dependent per project and what gets agreed upon with that client Typically with my agreements there is some sort of plan as far as like maintenance and touch-ups and everything like that.

So the other murals that you've done and you did some of the first ones and I know one of them got vandalized and there is a sealer over that, correct? Over the painting. Have you noticed in some of them, four or five years we've been now, correct?

Well, yeah, unfortunately, I mean, this is great to be talking about it right now. I would love to touch up my bare mural, but there's no funds for me to do that. Unfortunately, it was the DRI funds through the Arts District. And I already gave them a quote a couple of years ago. And it's really, really fair to literally touch up the points that are failing. And it's actually not like my mural portion. It's kind of like where the drainage is in the back. It just happens. I've spoke to the building owner. I've even recommended a gutter system back there to try to mitigate that. But it's also historical brick. So I don't know how much that would help. But I've tried everything. But there's no money for me to get paid to do that.

But they are holding up pretty well.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I can't, you know, other artists have painted other murals around here, so I can't take credit for all of them. But as far as the bare mural, yeah, I would love to maintain that, but that's not happening at this moment.

Is it possible, though, to require owners to have a minimum maintenance plan of some sort? You know, is there some standard that?

I think we should.

Yeah. Our motion can be in our approval.

Yeah.

The condition that they have to maintain it.

Yeah, that's something, and we've gotten a lot of these, so that would be smart.

Well, yeah, the bare mural, in contract with the city of Glens Falls, I have, it ends next year, that I'm obligated to maintain it after the five-year mark. I'm not obligated to. For me personally, this is what I do for a living, obviously I care and I would maintain it past that point, but I am still within the contract as far as that project goes on 21st Street.

So my thought is the owner should have an obligation. Yeah. Not you, in case you're gone.

All right. Of course.

So that can be in the motion.

Okay. Would this be under sign review? Yes. Okay. Board of sign review.

I think it's a great idea to make the owner of the building just as responsible as the artist who's doing it.

They own it, don't they? They're responsible for building maintenance and repair. Right.

Good call.

Seeker before the motion? Seeker. Type two. And I would say that any condition like that about future maintenance is reasonably related to what they are asking as the owner to have on their building.

Okay, are we ready? Yep. I'd like to make a motion that the Glens Falls Planning Board, acting as the board of sign review, approve the application of, hang on a second, I gotta turn around. I'm sorry. Giovanni Fresca, LLC, owner of 30 Walnut Street. Thank you. Thank you. Tax back number 30317-11-11 with the following conditions that the owners maintain the mural going forward. And that is the only condition. as presented at the meeting on September 2nd, 2026.

You get a second?

Second.

All in favor? Aye.

Thank you.

Site plan review SB26-027, Gerald Blackbird, Bird's Nest Apartments, LLC, owner of 35 Cherry Street, tax map number 303.17.21-2, seeks approval. to establish a three unit multifamily dwelling.

And you are? I'm Jerry Blackbird, owner of 35 Cherry. As we see, there's a pre-existing three-family that we've been through zoning for approval for that. A few changes to the inside. There was a staircase in the back that was not up to code that's gonna come out. And then the upstairs unit was, two bedrooms, I'm looking to make it three, so I'd like to add a wall and move a door, a doorway that going into the other bedroom. So those would be the only changes to the inside of the building.

Just minor changes? Yep.

And the exterior of the building? Nothing's changing. What's that? Nothing's changing outside.

Absolutely. So you're not going to be adding any additional mechanical units to the outside on site or any place that would be visible?

No, there's nothing happening outside at all.

And any new lighting proposed?

If you guys want, there's lights in the back of the house on the entryways and in the front of the house on the entryways.

The only thing I would say is just all lights at doors and things like that need to be downcast.

Okay.

I don't have any other comments or questions.

Okay. Any change to your parking? No, no changes to the parking lot.

Where's Aaron? Does this require sprinklers?

It does not. So this would be the same as the other apartment complex. If each apartment has its own means of egress, in theory, does it need that sprinkler system? And he already mentioned the one kind of concern we have, which was that stairwell that is going to be fixed. Besides that, everything else is basic, clear means of egress, extinguishers, emergency lighting, the exercise.

And that will come on your inspections? Yes.

Yeah. Three units, it'll hit a fire inspection once every three years. Okay.

No other questions? Okay. So the stairwell, I thought you said that was going to be taken out. It is.

Yeah, it's going to be taken out. Right now they just kind of cut it in and it really doesn't meet any code. So that staircase is going to come out. The floor is going to be put back in that they cut out. They cut out like a small section of floor to put in a staircase that didn't meet code. So that's just all going to go back to the way that it was. So you're going to rip the whole... Yeah, it's an interior stairwell.

What about the one that we're looking at, the exterior one?

That's staying.

That is staying. That's staying. Okay, I'm sorry. I was thinking, so.

No, it's an interior staircase. I'm sorry.

So this staircase that you're taking out was inside and it was added, no permit, and it wasn't code. It's just, it's going away.

It's going away. It's going, yeah.

And that'll bring the house, everything up to code inside?

Yes, absolutely.

But there'll still be egresses from all three apartments, so you won't need the sprinklers?

Yes, all three apartments have two entrances and exits.

Okay. For three apartments. Okay, thank you.

Mr. Charville.

I have no questions.

Does the reconfiguration, do you anticipate changing the number of occupants in the building overall? No, it's still going to remain a three unit. I'm not an electrician. But in the view from the northwest, the electric service to the building looks a little on the funky side. That's all coming out.

That's all going to be replaced. Yeah, it's all the electric. Everything's, yeah. Everything's going to be up to code.

Great.

No questions.

So you acquired this building, and now you're going through and making it, bringing it up to code, what it should be. Right, exactly. Okay.

Take two.

Take two. I really... you're taking an older property and just clean it up and make it look good for the city. Obviously code wise, everybody's in your corner. I want you to be successful, be a good landlord. That's all we can ask for.

Did I put the public comment?

Does anyone from the public like to comment on this item?

Nope, okay. I would like to make a motion that the Glens Falls Planning Board, acting as the Board of Site Plan Review, hereby grant the approval for the project identified as Site Plan Review SP26-027, Gerald Blackbird, Bird's Nest Apartments, LLC, owner of 35 Cherry Street, tax map number 303.17-21-2, for the approval of a three-unit multifamily dwelling, subject to the following requirements, that there is compliance with all fire department regulations, that the apartments would be subject to inspections on an... routine basis as required by the fire department and that all services would be brought up to date and code compliant a second All in favor Good luck.

Thank you site plan review SP 26-0 to 8 Liam O'Mara corner poor lessee of 41 Stroud South Street tax map number 302.20-27-1 seeks approval to open a tavern.

Hello. My name is Liam O'Mara. I am a manager of Cornerport LLC, and I'm here for site plan review of interior work to be done at 41 South Street, as well as a change of use approval from the previously approved restaurant slash retail to tavern classification in the space. I'm looking to put a neighborhood local bar into the space with a light kitchen, ventless hood, and the only major structural work to be done is to put a non-load-bearing wall up to separate the front and back of house, as well as the actual bar structure.

Okay. Would anyone from the public like to comment on this application? Okay.

Nina? Your application was very complete, and I had multiple questions, and as I read through here, you answered my questions, and I have no other concerns.

You're good?

No further questions.

Mr. Morfis? No, it was a very good application. And you're going to close at 10 PM?

What's that?

Your closing hour is going to be 10 PM?

So the hours are proposed as expected. I did have in the application on the weekends, it was midnight. But during the week, it was proposed as 10pm. I think as a new business going in, I do expect the hours to potentially change based on demand and kind of where we see our customers. But that is the expected hours.

Okay. So, you know, the application's great. I'm just wondering, with all those apartments that they're gonna build in the vicinity, do we have to consider closing hours now in a different light than we did in the past? Because in the past, South Street, you could stay up all night, right?

Right, but they had apartments above them.

No, our code does have closing hours. Yes. Bars have to close by... Three. So you're...

It won't be 3 a.m.

I'm just raising that question. I'm all in favor of it.

But that's still the owner of the building is leasing it to a bar downstairs and has tenants upstairs. So there has to be, you know, a working relationship between those two entities, you know.

All right, no, I'm okay with it, yeah.

Well, and you said acoustic performers, right? You're not gonna have rock bands.

Yes, yep, no drums. One to two guitarists, most likely acoustic. So avoid the vibration, especially is kind of what travels the most.

Is there a sound, a space above this to the floors of the apartments above?

Yes, I do know that when they did the construction, they did put some insulation. I think Steve can probably touch on that a bit more.

Steve Liccardi, Bonaccio Development, here on behalf of ownership. Yes, we did make those future provisions.

Because no matter what it was going to be, it was going to be a commercial space.

Exactly. In the lease with Liam, we have conditions on sound as well. The overriding sound would be in line with the city's noise ordinance, and then we have additional conditions to maintain the

Quality of life for the the residential Just to say the building code has requirements in mixed-use buildings where there has to be a certain level of acoustic separation between Residential apartments in a commercial space anyway, so they're gonna go through the building department and they would have to meet that I should I have no other questions.

Thank you No, I like this, and I like that there's not going to be any hood or any mechanicals, because the building is beautiful, and they've done such a beautiful job rehabbing it. It's nice there's not going to be anything like that. No, I think this looks great. You did a great job on this application. It was very thorough.

Thank you.

Is this Sandy's? Yes. I thought I read it.

What was that?

It was the old Sandy. Yeah. Well, I think everybody's looking forward to having something in there, because it's just a beautiful building, and it's nice to see those windows up top, you know, back to the glory.

They're beautiful, but not Sandy's.

Yeah, no. It won't be Sandy's.

The roof was repaired.

Replaced.

It used to drip from the first floor all the way to the first floor.

Mr. Sherrill?

No, I agree, very thorough application. All my questions are answered right there.

Just a note, the renderings on L102 that were submitted with the application don't appear to be current. There's been changes to the building since these renderings were done. So just want to note that these are not actually, don't reflect existing conditions.

Those were part of our original site plan approval. That's why they were included in that.

Okay, like for example, there's a fire escape showing off the back of this building that has been removed. So just wanna note that what's in the application is not necessarily existing conditions. And then one question, are there enough restrooms?

Yes, and I did look in the sense of code. There are enough restrooms. We did look pretty thoroughly into a way to add or expand these restrooms, but with the ADA regulations, Pretty much the only option was to take those out and completely reconstruct into a different area, new restrooms to just add a stall or a urinal in each one. So for code there is, I understand in a bar that is a concern, but there was really, we would have to really take them completely out and put them in a new place was kind of the reason that we just accepted the two restrooms.

And the original site plan approval we received was received for restaurant retail use. So the future uses are contemplated.

I'm just imagining lines outside of them.

Part of that is so the doors that you can see in the drawing, we're actually swapping the doors to the other side since that was one thing that we could do. So I mean, obviously, that doesn't help the part of waiting in line, but it would There is that entire hallway. It's a pretty large space for people to wait rather than all congregating out around the tables and whatnot. Thank you.

What's the name of it going to be? Is it going to be Corner 4?

Yes, Corner 4.

Okay.

So I had a couple things. So in the kitchen here, looking at this and the supplies for the kitchen and everything, there's no hood in there. You don't have an exhaust fan or anything. You're just going with this light menu and no dishwasher? No.

Yes, no dishwasher, light menu. So I did speak with, well, I spoke with the health department who kind of pushed me to code. We did speak about the two, I'm going to have a panini grill and a convection oven. They said it shouldn't be a problem. Obviously, I need the actual approval after the health department review, but it should not require any hood or anything with the menu that we have.

We don't have to worry about a hood coming out on either sides. Grease trap. You guys, I mean, you have the landlord here with you. So this is all, well, essentially a new building now. So you don't have to meet city codes on that.

Same thing with what the menu consists of. There shouldn't be, I think there's small ones that you can have just kind of inside of the actual oven or panini, but it won't have to be anything with going into the curb or anything huge like that.

It's going to be great to have some of the streets really coming alive. I don't have any issues with it. It doesn't sound like anyone else does. Aaron, did you have anything with this? I mean, yeah, I don't think I was going to come. The door behind the bar, is that staying there?

Yeah, so the door is going to stay there. Obviously, it's not going to be used by anyone, and you can't open it from the outside, so people aren't going to be coming into the bar.

The bar is going to be kind of weird with that there, correct?

Um, we've pictured it out. I've got a good good vision for it. I think I think it could it will work. So I've definitely thought about it a lot. I think it's okay there. And then we do have the two entrances in the front and then the back one will be most likely just an exit but but still.

So after my review of the plans, it's just the basic stuff. So the same thing, exit signs, emergency lights, means of egress. These guys were nice enough to provide the max occupancy, which once we do the final inspection, we'll review and ensure that that's accurate. But besides that, no concerns on my end.

But you're not, yeah, this is all, all we're talking about this evening is the interior anyway.

Yeah. All right, then. I would like to make a motion that the Glens Falls Planning Board, acting as the Board of Site Plan Review, hereby grant site plan approval for the project site plan review SP 26-028, Liam O'Mara, Corner Pour, lessee of 41 South Street, tax map number 302.20-27-1, for the establishment of a casual neighborhood bar slash tavern with limited menu of light food in place of the restaurant retail space that was previously approved. subject to health department review and approvals, any New York State permits, and a fire department final inspection review and approval, and we are utilizing the A1 proposed floor plan as presented at the meeting of September 2nd, 2026. Second?

Second. All in favor?

Aye.

Good luck.

Thank you.

Okay, site plan review SB26-029, Georgie Meir Corp, owner of 172 Ridge Street, tax map number 302.16-21-4, seeks approval to establish a two-family dwelling and associated parking area.

I just want to make this a two-family house now, four bedrooms in each apartment, and a driveway for each apartment with a circle adjoining the two driveways. There's approximately 80-foot frontage on the property. rear of the yard. We're going to rip up the blacktop and make it green space back there.

You're going to take the parking away behind the parking lot away in the back?

Yes.

And you're going to add, you want to add these two driveways in the front?

Yes, with a circle joining it. This way you can drive straight out on Ridge Street because they're coming pretty fast down Ridge off that light on Dix.

Yeah, yeah, I know it.

Nina? So each apartment is going to be four bedrooms. So you could potentially have more than four cars there. And I'm just wondering, have you done anything that checks to see with the way it's drawn that those cars can fit there?

But there's two site plans you have. Do you see the one that goes straight in on both?

Right, and then the circular one.

And then the circle. But the circle is adjoining, it goes straight out. I don't know if you see it.

Right, right. Like this one shows short driveways and people can't turn around so they'd be backing out. You're suggesting the round one?

The other one is the one I would... That's your preferred one. I just gave you both just in case.

I mean, I guess I... It's a bigger building than everything else there, and it's got a deeper yard, but everybody else in that area has parking either next to their house or behind their house.

Yeah, this parking will be next to the house, but not on the side of the house. It's not going to be covering any of the front of the house. If you see the side, the driveway comes straight.

Right, but what I'm saying is a lot of the houses, they have driveways that go between the houses and you're not parking between the house and the road. You're parking next to the house or behind the house.

This building's set back, that's why.

It's set back pretty far, but you do have that space in the back that you were gonna make into green space. I guess what I'm getting at is it's something very different from everything else that's on the road there. Yeah, no, no, I have not, yeah. I'm wondering if it's possible to run a driveway along the north that goes and you keep parking in the back instead of tearing that up?

They have air conditioning units on both sides of the building.

On both sides?

On both sides. There's what?

Air conditioning units. I see them to the south. I didn't see them to the north. Yeah, they're on the north also.

And also the pitch of the roof comes out on the side and they're gonna have icicles and snow.

And the snow drops, I understand that.

And I also put a new roof on this building already. I took the slate off the roof because it was falling off and the danger involved. So you're pretty making the building look nice. And I'm gonna paint the front also. And with the driveway and the shrubberies nice, it's gonna look very nice. This building's been for sale for 12 years. And nothing has come out of it. And now I'm looking to make something come out of it. And it's gonna look a lot nicer than it did.

So in this drawing, you've got your circular driveway. What are these right there?

Those are the parking spots coming straight up. And they can come a little further, right to the air conditioning units. So that would put hold, if you had to, two cars on each side, if you had to. But it's...

So you weren't saying people would park on the circular part. They'd pull into the circular part and then pull straight up.

Right, and then they'd back out and then go out the circle. because the safety of that Ridge Street, they're coming pretty fast over there.

There's no parking in front of your house. Our code says in all single and two-family residential zoning districts, parking of vehicles, including motor vehicles, boats, and or trailers, is prohibited in the front of the residence and is allowed only in designated parking areas or in driveways served by a curb cut. So locating a driveway in front of the residence is prohibited.

You're talking in front of the building or in front of the whole property?

In front of the residence. So the front of the residence is measured from one side, one corner of the building to the other corner of the building.

Yeah, no, it won't be in front.

It's not parked there. And you're not supposed to have a driveway in the front of your house. That's in our code.

A circle driveway you can't have? I've seen many circle driveways in Glens Falls.

There is one. There's one right on Glen Street, and it was approved with the understanding that they were not to be parking in it. And I drive by it all the time, and I see the cars parked in the circular driveway in front of the house. And it's an enforcement issue, which we don't seem to have a handle on right now in the city of Glens Falls. So you're asking us to approve something that is contrary to our code.

Hey, ma'am, I'm asking you for a parking spot on each side of the building, not in the circle.

Well, it has parking behind it now, correct?

Behind the building? Yes. There is parking behind the building. And to get to that parking, you have to go through someone else's driveway. And I put letters to them to have it right away there, and they refused it. Or an easement there, and they refused it. I mean, to make it a two-family and put grass in the back so kids can play in a safe area, I think this is very important. I think maybe a little amendment here can help me and help the building.

The circular driveway is going to take half your parking spots away. So you're going to have two parking spots.

No, there's parts going straight up. Do you see the one she's looking at?

I'm looking at the circular driveway, the two spots, but when it's a 48 foot driveway and 24 foot of it is taken by the circular driveway part where people have to drive on, you only end up with two parking spots in this entire building.

It's not 48. What I was going to say was, I feel like it looks like it's to scale, but we don't know for sure. It's 48 feet from the corner of the building to the property line. So we don't, we're not quite sure.

This one says 40 by 10.

40 by 10.

The second sheet.

Oh, the second sheet.

Yeah, so I'm saying you put the circular driveway and you're taking 50% of your parking away.

I mean...

I think it's less than 50%.

I don't... I mean, perhaps there's... Oh, I see.

Yeah, there's a couple different...

I'm sorry, I can't find it.

It's on a different sheet, Karen. Right here.

I understand people needing to pull out into Glen Street. I'm still wondering if there isn't a way to run a driveway down the side of the building and park in the back. Even if it means having to move a piece of mechanical equipment. Or, I mean, you know,

You can't make the turn in the back.

I'm wondering if maybe there's a more conventional, if you were to get a variance, conventional type of parking layout, but then have screening on the road and put that out as a proposal so that we're not seeing cars parked along the road like that.

That's dangerous. But you can't make the turn around the back. If you're going up the side, And as you're going, you're gonna have snow falling on you, and it went through icicles.

It's a very- So that would be part of why you would be asking for relief, for example, if you wanted to try to ask for a variance.

If that's what it takes, then it's good.

But based on what Karen was reading from the code, that is what it would take to park in the front of the building.

I do wanna- in response to the public notice. And she indicated that they are still available to discuss in this. She said that she's just not heard back with parking lot rent and discussed how to handle it forward. So I mean, I don't, that avenue I think needs to be .

Yes. They'll hold me hostage over there.

That's the neighbor to the north. So we're seeing that like open lot rent.

To the north of the building. To the north.

Yeah, so they have, there's a big parking lot.

Yeah, I can see that, yep. That's how they get in now.

Yeah, and they blocked that driveway already a few times where we couldn't get in.

Why can't there be a curb cut on the north side? You go up and you park where these cars are here that are in the picture. That's far enough away from the roof line in the winter. You could pull up closer in the summer. That's the one who's open to, okay.

So that's still an option, potentially.

It's not an option, no. They have to rent the spots from these people. Right now they want $200 a month. All right, and next year they may want $400. I have my own property. Why can't I have a curb cut here so I don't have to rent from anybody? Does it make sense? You wanna park your car next to a neighbor and rent from them?

That's ridiculous. It's a code thing that you can't have a driveway in front of the house.

There's a way to do it. And be in compliance with the code, which is you're not going to have the circular driveway, and you're going to have to move the driveways over closer to the property line so that your driveway is not extending past the front corner of the building. And then is there going to be a tree removed? Is that a city?

That tree is falling down, and it's ripped up the sidewalk already.

Is it a sidewalk?

It's the city tree, the sidewalk is ripped up and the city's supposed to take it out. That's already in there.

Well, I think there's a way to do it and still be code compliant, but what you've presented us today, you're asking us to approve something that's contrary to our code. I'm not gonna do it.

Well, I don't think we can.

It's terrible. You can't do it. Really terrible.

I think what Ms. Gaddy was saying is kind of like a sketch plan review. What's your feedback to this applicant as far as should he pursue a use variance? That's one option available to him. Or find a different way to make it code compliant without a use variance.

Find a different way to make it code compliant.

Mean you have 10 by 40 driveways. You could put two cars They just have to be moved over closer to the property line and you wouldn't even need a variance and remove the circular driveway Then you have to back out of the into Ridge Street Yes, you do if you want that I don't mind with that you're talking about two two driveways and

I think we'd have to look at that because isn't the I'd have to look at the definition of the front yard because I think it's perpendicular to the building all Right so he can't unless he gets a use variance for the driveway So from the corner of the building to the property line he has 13.1 feet if he shifts the driveway over Right up the side of the building

over towards the back of the building.

No, to the north and the south. Up the sides.

It's the drawing that has survey with two driveway options. He's got 16 feet on one side and 13.1 feet on the other side. If he shifts the driveways over closer to the property lines, he's now not in front of his house. The front is the corner to corner.

And what's the width you're looking at then for the driveway? 10 feet, 12 feet?

You could still probably get 10 feet on each.

Yeah, definitely.

I mean, the neighbor to your south has their driveway right on the property line.

I have no problem with that. Just that the back end of the ridge can... How much parking is in the rear now? Two spots.

Across that whole one to that back?

Well, you can't. You're lucky you get two spots.

I'm just saying, it's 16 feet. I mean, that's plenty of room to wait. Well, if you put a driveway on the south side, 16 feet, the snow is not even an issue.

You can't get back there and make a turn.

Yeah, how are you going to do that? Well, I mean, you got 16 feet and the property line in the back, too.

You drive into the back on the side of the building and then turning in the back? You're lucky at one spot now.

Karen, to your comment that there can't be parking in front of the house, can there be a turnaround spot? In other words, a place to do like a two-point turn so that they're not backing into Ridge Street.

It says no driveway in the front of the yard. No driveway? So if they're putting a driveway in, they're gonna park on it, just like.

I don't understand, everybody has a driveway.

And other people on Glen. Yeah, I don't understand. And if you look at that section of the code definitions in front, the area between the wall of the residence and the property line adjacent. So it's measured from the corner of the house to the property line. Okay. You can't park inside the two corners of your house, in front.

So then the two straight driveways would be fine then?

Two straight driveways is your best option, but on this drawing, you're not compliant because it's extending into the front of the house.

It's not supposed to be if it is, I'm sorry.

Well, that's how it's drawn.

It's coming into the front of that building?

Yes, it overlaps the front corner of the house.

I mean, having had a long straight driveway with a roof that dumps onto the driveway, I understand the struggles in the winter, so maybe a variance application would be for a turnaround and not necessarily the whole thing. Coming up with some way of making it a little easier for those who park there.

That would have to go to the front.

But there's a ton of driveways in this city that don't have turnarounds.

That's true. They just back out of the street.

Yeah, you just back out onto the street.

That's true. There's a ton of driveways.

Nope, you're right.

I have no problem with backing in the street then. Okay. Just remember, this building has been sitting here like a white elephant. I'm trying to put it together so it's in use and it looks good. 1875 it's here. And it's been a dead issue for 12 years. And there's other people been here about this. I don't know if anyone here was at these meetings before about this building. 2018.

So Karen, going by the code that you're saying, they're just moved out farther closer to the property line and they aren't in line with the corner of that building. Then it's code compliant.

There appears to be space if they were to move each of the proposed driveways shown on... Outside the building. Shown on survey with two driveways option, the north and the south driveways, if they were moved, if the north driveways moved to the north and the south driveways moved to the south so that they were not in front of the corner of the building, it would be compliant.

I have no problem with that.

It changes the whole character of the property.

Allison, they want money. They want money from me, Allison. I don't have to pay for parking.

or would it need to be something more legally binding? Yeah.

Yeah, I mean by the time you go and put these driveways in,

the cost incurred from that, and I understand what you're saying. Are they gonna raise it next year? You get a contract, the legally binding contract, it's a set thing. What is it gonna cost to put in two driveways and curb, are you gonna be 20, $30,000 for that?

I have no problem with that. Just to have the conscience that I have to worry about the future. Well, I thought, to my point, Allison, I'm not going to agree with them. I'm not going to pay their money. I don't know why you want me to pay their money for. I paid enough for this building and putting it together and make it look nice for you. I don't want to pay them money. I'd rather pay the blacktop guy's money.

So the discussion was leasing spaces, not getting a right-of-way through the parking lot. That wasn't an option?

That's right.

There's going to be a play area in the back for children.

I don't think there's any question for that.

Is the roof line a gable the entire way? I think he already has that. Yeah, so snow is shedding onto that.

Yeah, because you can't really landlock that. So is he entitled to that right away?

Is that what the neighbor is saying? I'm not sure what the neighbor is saying with regard to access. There's no reason. So they don't have that right away. Well, that's a legal argument that the applicant needs to make.

Have you asked your lawyer about your right to cross that property? It's been there forever?

I did not ask an attorney. I did not ask an attorney, no. I asked the owner of the property.

You have your attorney look into the fact that this has been the driveway forever, and you have a right to use that, whether they say okay or not.

You're talking about grandfathered in and it was never put in? You know, I didn't, I never thought of that.

So why don't we look into that? You might be entitled to that anyways.

The only thing is... What I was requesting was just access, because there are two spots behind this building.

Right. Yeah, but there'll be no play area.

It's been there forever, and that's always been the parking.

My understanding was that people were still parking back there. Is that not correct? There was a truck there.

And they blocked the building, they blocked the parking lot. It really, it doesn't make any sense. If I can have the two spots.

I know, but if you have your lawyer look into it and then they can't block it.

Even if I did, right? Even if I did and he said, okay, I would rather make it a green space back there. So with two families.

How comes a green space in the front?

How can kids play in the front on Ridge Street? Who plays in the front? There are barbecues in the backyard.

Yeah, but it sounds like it's what you want and what we can't give.

You can give it. There's nothing. I'm asking here that it's not crazy.

No, it's not crazy. It's not. But there's certain things we can do and can't do.

Listen, I built in Glens Falls. I'm here 22 years. I have six properties in Glens Falls.

Mm-hmm.

I built and sold buildings, a big one on Warren and Oak, the old Stewart's building. I dug down, hit dirt, and got oil down there. I did a cleanup, everything Glens Falls wanted.

I don't understand what this one is. It sounds like it might be worth just checking to see if you have a legal right to continue to use that driveway to access the back. And at that point, you can decide what you want to do. But I think it's pretty clear what zoning says you need to do with the driveways, you know, not having driveways right in front.

But if I'm putting a two-family house here... You wanna consider that one as just green space for the backyard for kids to play and put a fence up so it can be enclosed in and people can have a barbecue back there? What are your thoughts on this?

I'm not gonna keep dwelling on this.

I think it should be tabled for the applicant to make a decision as to which driveway scheme he would like to present to us and then bring us back drawings that accurately reflect where the two driveways are going to go. I think that the feedback that I would give the applicant is that I'm not going to approve a circular driveway. I think it needs to be the two separate driveways and if you move them a little bit out you can probably be code complete.

I agree with that 100%. Mr. Morphs, what do you think? Do you agree with that? No, I don't. My opinion would be to pursue alternative. Table it and pursue alternative. Right.

It sounds like there's been sufficient questions asked tonight that if the applicant can document that he's talked to the neighbor, that he's researched the legal options. There's a number of options that the board has discussed that it seems like if you can that you've pursued. I have documents. I have documents with the neighbor. I'm just saying if for, sounds like we're likely going to table it tonight, but when you return, document that you explored those options.

Mr. Schrammel? I agree. He's got code compliant suggestions he was given to review, and I think he should review what he's been given here and make a decision on his own and come back to the board.

Okay, you make a motion to table, please, and then come back, review your options, and with a drawing that you want us to look at, and we will go forward from there. It's not a no, and it's we're willing to work with you one way or another.

I'd like to make a motion that the Glens Falls Planning Board hereby table the project known as George Meir Corp, owner of 172 Ridge Street, tax map number 302.16-21-4, and await the applicant's decision in how he would like to go forward and provide proper documentation as presented at the meeting on September 2nd, 2026. Second.

Second. All in favor?

So that's it then, right? Thank you, Allison.

Advisory opinion. The Common Council of the City of Glens Falls requests an advisory opinion on the zoning text amendment to include a local law to allow farm stands as permanent, temporary use, Warren County Planning issued finding of no countywide impact.

We didn't vote on it, so you don't have to take public comment. Well, we didn't take a vote.

So this is our recommendation to the Common Council. Okay. Ms. Murray, would you like to start us?

I think it's a big space, 200 square feet.

Thank you.

I think it's too big. I think it's inappropriate. We're not Queensberry. We're not an agricultural, you know, rural town. I think people have close-in properties. I think this would be... difficult and unwieldy, and especially in certain, it looks like it's allowed in almost every zone. So I think it's not appropriate for that size. And then to talk about going up to the public sidewalk, I mean, why does it talk about, are you allowed to be on the sidewalk? No. So why does it say you have to have a clear pedestrian path?

Sidewalk.

Okay. Well, they'd have to meet the setbacks.

And I don't know.

This is a little local thing. And I know where we're going. The ladies with the flowers on. They have those little tiny carts or the little stand things. And we don't have the yards here to produce product where you should need 200 square feet. No, so I'm just, yeah.

I think the hours are long for, again, something in somebody's neighborhood. 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. is a long day. I mean, that's a business. Yeah. I think if you're having a farm stand, it's probably a few hours a day. That would be my thought. And then 90 days seems like a lot. Is that in total for the whole year?

That's 90 consecutive because we had that discussion, right?

It just says 90 calendar. It says 90 calendar. So then how do you police that?

It's very confusing.

And you're not going to be able to enforce it.

Right.

We could do it in 90 consecutive days, sure, and then they have to come and get another permit if they want to do it.

I think 90 is a lot. 90 is a lot. I think it should be like 30. I mean, again, this isn't a business. Isn't this just like a little farm standing here?

You have two that are operating illegally in the city. And so my take is, why are we going to... do a local law to accommodate two illegal businesses in the city. One of them specifically even has signs on Glen Street pointing fresh flowers. They're printed signs on Glen Street pointing down Lincoln Avenue. And the other one holds parties and events at the place. This is a business in residential areas. The remedy is not pass a local law to accommodate an illegal business, is it? Is that the way we govern?

Well, I think the thing is to kind of encourage people. If people grow stuff or they're doing their flowers and everything, it's kind of a little neat kind of cottage thing, and it's a way that it can be controlled.

Well, they could go to the farmer's market and sell their goods.

Well, just on that point, I did go back and look at the Glens Falls Farmers Market application, and it's quite extensive, and they don't accept anyone. They don't accept everyone. You have to have a million dollars of insurance coverage.

Well, they also give out temporary permits. They do do that. They do, like, occasional permits. You don't have to be a member, and you don't have to come every single week.

It's crazy that that's limited. You know, like, we built that building, and they can limit who's in there.

They can though, it's totally their. It's their space, the city rents them that space for their operation of the farmers market and they govern their own.

I would just say on this, for the recommendation, I mean, what Ms. Judd is saying are like policy considerations. What you guys really should focus on is what you think are planning considerations and problems with this, if you think there are problems. The days, the hours, the square footage.

And the signage. I mean, there's something about signage. Because nobody wants to see those stupid signs, you know. The blow-up city.

It says we're six square feet. So if you want to say that's too big, yeah, we can put that.

I don't think we want to make an enforcement. You know, the enforcement already has trouble keeping up with everything they need to enforce. So I don't think we want to create something that then says, oh, but if you go over this, we're going to have enforcement, you know. So this would have to follow all the other things as well.

Okay, got it, got it.

Yeah, so then I would just end it by saying I think that is far too large. The hours are way too long and.

Can I ask? Yeah. Would it be possible to do this at our community gardens? Isn't there three or four community gardens? Yeah. Would they be the appropriate space to allow them to? That's a good idea.

Actually, that's a question I had in the code because it actually has an exemption for community gardens, which I didn't understand. So can community gardens sell now? Why is there an exemption for them? Farmers, markers, and community gardens are separately approved by the city, so community gardens are a separate approval? They wouldn't be required to.

They wouldn't be required to.

And that was a question, that's one of the questions I had. I had multiple questions. I talked about that last time, so I'm going to go into that. Yeah, but the other thing is I went and looked for codes. I could not find one city that had a code regarding this city. Do they? Okay, but farm stands versus a vendor license. So that's my concern. So there's got to be a differentiation between a vendor's license versus a farm stand. The size 200 feet. We talked about the size. And my opinion is there's nobody in the city of Glens Falls that owns property large enough to supply a 200 square foot farm stand. So therefore they're getting the farm stand stuff from somewhere else and selling it here. As far as I'm concerned, it's a vendor license.

Well, and that's the other issue. It says where such products are grown or produced on-site or off-site. Right. So they can go buy peaches from Georgia and sell them at their farm stand.

And so that's a concern I had. In other words, so if it's truly to people that are growing stuff in their backyard and selling it, I think you're talking a 200-foot stand. There's nobody that has the property to support that in the city of Glens Falls. Therefore, it falls into a vendor license. In other words, my opinion is if I'm buying something and selling it at a profit, it's a vendor license, not a farm stand. I looked up the town of Kinderhook. They had a 30 square foot, which is very reasonable for residential areas, I thought, comparatively speaking, to a 200 foot. You know, it's more for a car, small table. But again, it's the town, the Kinderhook had that. So I thought that was much more reasonable. The public sidewalks was already mentioned. I had, again, 13 hours, I think is a long time to have somebody allow somebody to be open with a farm stand for 13 hours. I think that was excessive. And we're talking about the questions that you proposed last time we were supposed to be looking at and compatible with surrounding land use. Well, that's not really, doesn't exist because we're not, we are not an agricultural area. It doesn't exist. So that question has no, makes no, there's no relevance to that question. Well, they're not existing. These are non-conforming. They're not compliant. but they're not compliant.

So has enforcement done anything with that?

But they're still operating. But how can you? How can you become compliant when there's no law that allows them to do it?

Right, that's what I'm saying is that how can we have something that in our code is illegal and they have a violation, like you can't just keep committing a crime. How are they allowed to keep going every day when they're in a violation? Even if this is pending. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm not.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right. So that would go, like my comments should just go to the city council, like how is this being?

Yeah, yeah. And then the other question you had was potential impacts on neighborhood character. I think this has a- Do you know the law? Why is that allowed to continue?

Why is it not?

I would have to talk to the code enforcement officials. I don't know if they have decided not to bring it as a code case to court because there's a possibility of a change in the law. I don't know that. I can look. I can follow up.

They should be given a cease and desist. We're not allowed to operate a business in a residential district.

I'm not sure that they haven't been given a cease and desist and that they are just ignoring it.

And they need to go and take the product and remove the stand, which is within our authority.

But for now, we're trying to figure out to make some way so they do have teeth and that we have something set up for this. And then one question.

My understanding is that the council is interested in looking at this law.

Yeah.

if you send them an opinion that says we don't like it we don't like this and we or if you do do this you need to change this this and this that's what they're looking for from us yeah so so the potential impact that's the other question you asked us to look at and as i think it can be substantial for residential neighborhoods i do too I think some of the other ones, and the thing is it's very difficult because you've allowed it in pretty much every district. So the potential.

Well, every district except light industrial and heavy industrial, and it's like why not there?

But the thing is.

You're not even impacting like neighbors.

The potential impact in neighborhoods I think is. Can I just clarify? Yeah. No, no, no, I'm not saying you.

These are what we're bringing.

Yeah, these are things I'm just bringing to light.

It has been allowed.

It's all your fault. I know you have a farm stand plan.

I know, I'm sorry. So the impact, it's hard to determine because, like I said, I think when you get into the R1s, the impact could be astronomical if you're talking a 200-foot farm stand. We're not talking 200 feet anymore.

Everyone move away from that.

But the thing is, but when you get into the other districts, like so white industrial and things, I think the impact's probably far less.

Exactly, but it's not even proposed for those districts. Where it makes the most sense to put them, it's not allowed.

And what was the other one? So signage, I think you had the signs. I thought the sign may be a little big. I mean, it's six square feet, so two by three is a pretty big sign for today. And like I said, in Deloitte Industrial District, it's probably not a big deal. But when we talk about in a residential district, I think actually there's a sign law, I think in our sign law, it actually limits it to six feet for any type of sign in a residential district anyways. So I think it probably could be a little smaller. That's just my personal opinion. Our operation already talked about that. Size and scale, I think we beat that up so we know what that is. And I think the code that's written, I do not think adequately addresses the potential problems that could occur. The code as it's written, I don't think it addresses the potential issues that could present themselves down the road. I think that's the concern. I mean, we're talking about dealing with two little teeny farm stands, and if it stays that way, I think it's not a big deal. But if we end up with, you know, one street ends up with 10 farm stands within two blocks, I think we're gonna have potential impact that could cause problems. And I think this code would have to address those substantially better than it does as it's written.