Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Yes, sir. [Music] Stand by.

Welcome everybody. boarding board meeting of July 2nd uh 2025 or excuse me August August 6 2025 um don't read read everything on the teleprompter as I say um first order of business is the approval of the minutes from the July 2nd uh 2025 meeting. Any comments? Uh no.

No comment. All right. Make a motion to approve the minutes from the last meeting. Uh motion second.

All in favor? I approve. All right. First order of business is old business site plane review SP25 pass 00006 Robert new homes second PLLC representing Ames Goldmith Court owner of tax map number 303.18-8-1 [Music] commonly known 21 Roger Street is seeking site plan review to install a chemical storage tank on concrete path pursuant to the city of Bl zoning code chapter 220. 20-20. This requires site plan review and approval. Something here represent your name. Microphone. Hi there. I'm Mike Forier, plant manager gold.

Hi, Brent Walters, project engineer.

Karen Roberts with RU Holmes engineers. I do have an exive summary of kind of an overview of the project. [Music] So this project proposes the installation of the hydrogen peroxide tank to aid in the processes of the facility. The tank is proposed to be 14 ft off of the building uh 20 ft off of the eastern property line and then 94 ft off of that northern property line as well as 22 ft off of the parking area. The tank will be situated on concrete pad. So that will increase the curb servicing. So we are proposing to increase the storm water management to handle that increase. Um and that's basically it for the the site plan itself. I'll pass over to Mike. Uh so James Goldmith has been awarded a grant from approval from the DDC to move forward with a project to improve our emissions controls for our major processes. The project has nothing to do with our capacity or output. Nothing to do with expanding production. Our capacity will remain flat to test new product lines. It's really just purely improving the environmental controls. Um just to give a little background, dissolving silver is kind of the core of what we do. We use nitric acid to

dissolve silver bars. That chemical process right now produces gas, nitrogen oxide, nitrogen dioxide. And that gas uh has to be evaded to control. Currently what we use to do that is a 50ft stack. It's thrown on here. basically a million BTU an hour natural gas burner. Uh so uh we uh proposed a project in enthusiastic about it where we can basically prevent the change our chemistry and prevent the NOX gas that has to be eliminated in the oxidizer from forming in the first place using hydrogen peroxide. So that's the storage. The real deliverables for the project are going to be a reduction in close to 900 metric tons of CO2. And uh when you burn natural gases, they also produce a little bit of NOx, sulfur dioxide, other natural gas. Uh and because of the chemistry change, we're able to use half the amount of natural gas. So that's going to be half the amount of trucks, tanker trucks that we measure.

So it's a big environmental step forward.

It's a very big environmental step forward to be honest. It's something our owner has really wanted to do for many years and it's really kind of important to bring from that we're able to actually do that now. That's it. So, um, would anyone from the public like to comment on this issue on this proposal? Okay. So, um, so this storage is for new. We do use it now. Well, actually, that's not entirely true. you use 50% hydrogen peroxide inside the plant but it comes in drugs. Um so this is 27.5% which is less it's in a class one oxidizer which is less hazardous than the 50%. So it's really kind that's I guess that's what I was asking you if you've got 55 gall actually the drums that were uh we currently use it for a different process we don't use them at level because right now it goes into basically a giant burner hydroxidizer you can't have this burner so this would be additional hydro using the drums that we're using drums But because of the volume required for the process um the terms just and I guess it's probably safe to assume since involved that you know you got to imagine you're seeking to understand you know you have a residential labor up there neighborhood I mean is there I got to imagine there's actually state mandates or whatever as far Yeah, inspection all through the DC,

you know, we have some storage. So, it's um nothing new familiar with regular inspections, uh safety interlocks. All right. Yeah. And I'm assuming a nice fire department so that you know they know what they're dealing with. there's a fire exposure or something like that.

Absolutely. And uh in fact that's why I initially wanted to use the 50% hydrogen peroxide but in uh speaking fire the exact so we realized that that was actually a violation of the fire code. So we reduce the concentration down to uh class one after but there are regulations also involving the tank as well you know we need to make sure there's essentially no organic material grass anything as long as we're on this do you want to address this issue for us please not issue but just enlighten us cuz you're obviously very familiar with it and this is your requirement from city council halls. Um so like I said everything um you talked about they had the class two um we talked about the code limitations mostly how much they have compared to all the other chemical codes they had. We had class one oxidizer now um as we mentioned the co seats they still need a 15 clearance all the way around material. Um the only thing that would would really hit the chief and my son talked about this a little earlier is to build it. Making sure that because it is 14 ft if if you're not able to find that extra hook, every part of that building would have to be non. So the roof, the sides, windows, anything outside along with nothing in between. There's a brass dumpsters, anything tables, breakers. There has to be a 15t clearance all the way around. And still so far they've met everything you guys have asked for.

Yes. Yeah. They provided all documentation with us. They met with myself and the acting director building codes multiple times. Um we laid out a couple different options that came back. Um so there has been open communication and they supplied all documentation requested. Um and if I correctly the building is completely nonustful, right? Yeah. Roof. Uh I'll confirm that [Music]

so that or like I said this is 15 push that have that 15 that will be the only thing as right now. Um I know that's before they get started. I'm making a visit. We'll make visits as we go and then the final session once. So it has to be 15 ft from 15 ft from any combustible material. So it's either 15 ft or that building within that zone has to be non-combustible, right? Right now the line shows 14

14, right? So the building is completely non-combustible. In theory, they have met that section. Um or if it is not, they have to push back to meet the 15 and again maintain that throughout. So if they have a year later break area with muscle material and it's 20 ft from the street and that's fine. Yes. Yeah. That uh city and then there's protecting.

Yeah. Okay. Thank you. So I guess we have we have to put some kind of contingency to verify that these guys will be watching if this is approved and that will be part of the next I guess the only percentage process I use system And you probably have a certain level process.

I'm sorry that you're I assume you're leaving the product. Are you using it straight? Okay. So changing it from the class one to two make that class change to one. Does that does that mean when you use deliveries it means you go through the product quicker? Yeah. So, so that that so that'll impact as far as vehicle traffic in that product. So, I'm assuming more frequency because of the difference. Yes. Going from the 50% peroxide to the 27.5.

Yes. Other peroxide, but that is used uh in a significantly less volume than the measured acid is. So the net uh you know delivery of tanker trucks from this project will still be a significant drop because uh we are getting deliveries of peroxide we'll be getting half the amount of deliveries of nature. You have on your site plan some language in there about lot consolidation. Is that something related to De Mo planning coordinator for the city? Um on the first note we were talking about I do want to say that they have 23 in of play. So even if materials they'd still be able to make that right away 20 foot back both directions if they needed to. address that first issue. Um the sideyard setback because there's a corner lots need to be merged so that they didn't need another variance for that. They pick up the process and we have a confirmation from the county.

So, so this approval should be contingent upon that absolutely going through right. So that they got their answers. Yeah. And they have their appropriate answers from um you had an infiltration detail and I guess you sort of already answered my question. Couldn't tell. looked like it was back. Looked like it was within the 15 ft, but the the rain garden. Yeah,

there's the existing rain garden that we're kind of adjusting to add the additional run. Yeah. But does that come within 15 ft of the new tank? Is that um well be I mean we could there would be 15 ft. It could be stone material. Yeah, there's stone in it right now. Okay. So as long as we make sure I just didn't I want to make sure that wasn't Yeah, there's no plants or anything. It's just the the bare bases. Okay. Yeah. focus.

Um, you guys have a lot of coverage that's going to increase very very slightly because I don't see that as um I think there's an opportunity to shield the surrounding neighborhood from the big tank. You've got that long chain with the fence and on the street side it has ring slats in it and there are houses there as as you come up the street you can see right in. Um, I mean, I would make a recommendation to put slats in those fences in that fence at least, you know, maybe a third of the way down wherever so that block.

Yeah, that that's been on the to-do list. You canatch you can match what's out on the street. Put the green slats. Put the green slats. just turn the corner over. Um, how I can't remember if there are gates there or how are you preventing the public from the identity? There are locked. Yep. Uh, so they are locked from the outside push.

So no teenager wandering down. Not unless you don't have a truck gate there for for trucks available for him. So if that were open, but it's entirely you've taken responsibility for the security. That's it.

You've answered most of my questions. Is it?

So it's it's all closed really and uh it's vented inside. Um, we did receive, this project was sent out to Warren County and we received a notice from Warren County that says the Warren County Planning Department finds the proposed action has no significant intercom community or countywide impacts. With respect to seeker, I would classify this for a type two action as it's construction or expansion of an accessory nonresidential structure or facility involving less than 4,000 square ft. Therefore, no further action is required.

Yeah, we have the slats in the fence and make sure they're 15t clearance. Yeah. And yeah, make sure they're all component. Yep. And the lock the lock cons.

I'd like to make a motion that falls planning board acting as it works plan review hereby um I'm sorry, let me start again. I'd like to make a motion that Glard site plan review hereby approve the application of Robert U. Homes secondary LLC representing Old Holman Court, commonly known as 21 Rogers Street, with the following conditions. That there is a 15 ft clearance from the tank to anything combustible, if that's not possible, that every part of the building within that 15 ft is not combustible. That there are green slats in the fence to shield the tank from neighbors. and that the lot consolidation is complete. Recommend approval with those conditions as presented at the meeting of August 6, 2025.

Second on that second. All in favor? I think Next order of business, Michael Fernandez representing trade mas leasing tax number 302.20.24 company 21 Bay Street, Sweet One seeking to have five outdoor dining tables with a total of 20 chairs pursuing to the city of Glaul zoning code chapter 189-17. This will require an advisory opinion by the planning board to the common council. Take your name.

Okay. This has been in front of us for a while. Um tell us if you have your tell us what you want to do. You already have outdoor seating. I do. I just I submitted an application for other exactly what the business prior to you. I'm just going to add a stick with what's there. Okay. [Music]

So, you have two tops out right now and you're saying you're going to keep them in your draw. You show I did and then I spoke with the tables that he was previous there. So I just came back to city hospital. So you don't want to increase that? I don't know. Do you want to have them entertainment in the future if you want to change it? You're here. We have all the drawings.

Yeah, you can. I just theoretically that space that I have is a few space 10 ft from the building to the sidewalk. uh that be from the side to the start.

Myation is that um he's he has 5T to him for tables and that works really well. Right now talks if tables as you were put there four seaters that left this much space for weight staff within that 5ft zone which meant that they were using the walkway. That was that was sort of the question that I would have

and since we started this process, you reached out and made sure that that basically is a gap there. happy with what's there.

Does he need to see? No. So, what he has now is so this was if he wanted to change.

So, he doesn't want to do it. set. Good luck. All right. Uh, item number three, Phoebe Wells, owner tax number 303.36-3-10, Calino 62 Mo Street, seeking approval of a curb cut to install second driveway and apron pursuant to the city of Huntsville zoning code chapter 220-8 L. This require an advisory opinion by the planning board to council. Anyone here representing this? Okay.

So, we got a letter from her asking that it be this has been like 4 months. Correct. This is this is the third she has the second. [Music] Well, that no that was in there before. again the city engineer from the first meeting when she was here and we talked about storm water wrong and the whole deal the city engineer and DPW was not in favor of this application we had a letter for both of those um she hasn't been here for 3 months

so do we have to make it due to the nonfavorable due to the I am not hearing or provide any additional information. So, you want to make a motion? Yeah, you all make a motion.

Yeah. I'd like to make a motion the Glenn Falls Planning Board hereby submit the following advisory opinion to the common council that they should look with disfavor on the application of Phoebe Wells, owner of the tax map, commonly known as 62 Moheaggan Street, who is seeking approval of a curb cut to install second driveway and we would recommend this disfavorable or we would recommend this based on the applicant's is nonappearance and not providing information requested over three consecutive meetings.

The second she What's that? Oh, yeah. But she didn't have the information in the first one. Yeah, she she didn't have information. She didn't show up with that. Yes, she was here and then we asked her some stuff. She No, she did come back and reapply. Yes. Yep. It's just right now taking it off our docket. All right. Can I get a second on that? All in favor?

Next item on the Green Spring site plan review architectural review. with Green Springs Capital Group LLC contract vend of taxp number 303.17-13-14 Common Mills 178 Maple Street are seeking site plan review to convert the existing building to a mixeduse of 19 apartment units with an additional 2357 ft of commercial space pursuant to the city of Huntsville zoning code chapter 220-20 CN19 19. This will require site plane review and approval.

Okay. And also uh at the same time architecture review AR25-00003 Green Springs Capital Group LLC contract vendee of tax map number 303.17-13-14 commonly known as 170 through 180 Maple Shooter seeking architectural review to convert the existing building into a mixeduse of 19 apartment units with an additional 2357 ft of commercial space. Pursuant to the city of Glenn Paul zoning code chapter 220-20, this will require architecture review and approval. Uh, good evening. Scott Ning with representing Green Springs. Uh, we were here for the board last month. The board is quite familiar to the project. I'll give just kind of a quick overview of the project. Just refresh the board's memory. Uh, we were here this evening to request the board's consideration for site path to the project. Uh as far as existing conditions, we are located at 170 180 uh Maple Street 35 acre parcel. It is currently some light industrial district. As far as the existing structure, uh it's approximately 21,215 square ft. Overall, uh the main building is a 2 and 1/2 story brick building and there's a garage single uh single story structure offering the uh the piece of the uh the building. As far as what we are proposing, we're proposing a base building uh 2,357 ft of commercial. Uh this will be located in the garage portion that uh single story garage portion I mentioned and also a portion of that will be using the uh the first floor. There will be entrances both on the front and back of the building for uh the commercial space. The balance of the building is proposed as 19 market grade apartments. Uh the half basement level so there is a portion of uh basement level that's out of ground that will include five units one studio with four oneb units. Uh the first level which is the same level as

the commercial space will include six units two studio units three onebedroom units and one two-bedroom unit. And then last but not least on the second level up uh upper level is eight units one studio and seven bedrooms. Uh as far as parking, uh parking would require according to the city code require 32 spaces. Uh we are providing uh 32 spaces uh for the project. Uh as far as the comments we received at the at the last meeting, at any point we'll do those one by one just to address how we uh how we address. Uh as far as the uh access to the building, we are showing the uh ramps to the building. So we do have an entrance in the courtyard area in this area and we also have an ABA accessible um ramp in the the back of the structure. So those were added on the site plan. Last time we did not have those on the site plan. Uh as far as the spaces in the front of the building. Um prior we had three spaces in that area. We did reduce those down to two spaces and we added the sidewalk and the side of that other uh so we can have the spaces plus access very tight between uh the building and parking. So we have uh reduced that down. Uh there was a suggestion to extend those spaces so they're deeper spaces. Uh we do have the sidewalk along uh Maple Street. So those spaces I believe are about 20 to 60 ft deep where normal space is about 18 ft deep. So it's extended. So if somebody does pull in, they don't open all the way. They still will not block that sidewalk along the uh the bridge. Uh the parking in the uh the back uh there was a request uh to add to dry wells into that area to provide some storm water mitigation. Uh we have uh have added two dry wells in that area. Uh one at this location in that location. Uh also there was a request to take a look at the dumpster location and try to hide that more put that in the back. original dump located

in this vicinity. We have moved back to the back. We've also put that in closures that will have a gated uh enclosure around uh the uh the dumpster. Um uh there was a request as far as plantings to provide a planting plan. Uh we have also added that to the uh the plans. Uh last but not least, there's a request to take a look at the parking area. Provide a barrier for this parking area and the parking area uh to the north. Uh first off, we have a couple of light poles in the area. So there are two light poles uh on that boundary with fixtures downward facing that face towards our parking lot. We've also had this fence to our parking lot. So hopefully there's not any part over from that was essentially it for what I had on the site plan. I know we're here for site plan architecture. I don't know if you want to go into architectural you want or not.

I'm with the architect Wilson. Um, as far as architectural, we did extend our elevation to include this enclosure as requested. Um, we also did some work looking at sight lines um for the condensers that are located on the roof of the building. Um, and we found that the distance you would have to be from the building to see the very top 17 in um back. Um and additionally we then removed the ramp. We had shown two options for ramps initially removed the ramp from the courtyard area and just now we also enclosed the garage door on the back side of the building. Um and we are obviously applying a factory coating to the uh standing portion of the building. Um, which would just actually block. Uh, and the [Music]

Is there anyone from the public that would like to speak on this? M, please come forward. step aside.

I actually I have a question. I'm uh Judy Kajerro. I'm the chairperson of the halls IDA and um this project has come before IA also assist with financing and we had been involved with this um probably a little over a year ago. a prior uh owner, protected older. Uh and there was going to be a state offices of historic preservation uh financing or tax credit financing uh through Shipo on this project. And there ended up being a bit issue with the other floor windows. And the um there was concern that the occupancy level uh if those windows remained in place um uh that they would get uh difficulty uh having those units occupied uh by a couple of residents um not buildings with such small windows. And so that project uh did not come uh back forward. uh they have proposed to shipo that the size of those windows on on the floor change and shipo would not prevent that. And so my question is uh have you done any kind of market analysis to determine if the occupancy level on that upper floor would be sufficient if the window sizes remain same? We'll if there's any other comments and I'll let them answer that afterwards. Okay.

If we could uh get that submitted uh to Jeff flag as well as any kind of documents submitted to ship. So in other words, he has said that they cannot change the size of those tunnels at all or is that something that that funding is funding? Uh the prior uh applicant um was looking at having state historic preservation tax credit financing as part of the financing of the project. And so um they would not allow it if tax credit financing was going to be involved. They wouldn't release the change.

So this So they're not asking for that. So does that how does that play in? It doesn't. It doesn't. I don't know. But the issue was at the time that the upper floor occupancy would not likely take place if the windows remain the same size. That's that was their opinion. Okay. So in terms of going forward if the window size is not changed and those other floors are not occupied they can be issued

that's their risk but again I I represent the IDA and they are looking for city financing. So that's what I would like to know from that perspective if there's been any kind of market analysis done to determine the occupancy would occur even without those changes.

I understand you but I think from the planning board's perspective we're just looking at site plan and architectural review. You may do something totally different and your agency may require a market analysis where we don't require especially if Shipo is not providing any funding. Okay. And I'm here for another reason but I perfectly made us aware of that. I think we understand. So if they don't change the windows, will that jeopardize Whe

it could if if the lenders involved whether the private or public is there concern that occupancy would not occur because of the size of the windows then then it could possibly impact

cuz we had the last meeting we came it's like 12t ceilings and the bottom of the window is going to be like 8 ft off from rocks that and you know is it's different. I mean, it's a great building and I love to see it get redone, but I also wouldn't want to see I do think that that market analysis part should be done to make sure that I understand why. Well, I think we ask that question a lot because a lot of times we're questioning the number of homes and you know, part of me always thinks at least, you know, some university $5 million without is there national statistics or is there state, is there local, is there is there show that this is worth? You know, we we've got great vision units here that are gorgeous that there are some of them. This one here is most of the market firms that I've worked with in the past. I think we have a better way of answering. Thank you.

Anyone else from the community? You guys want to talk about that?

Um I I can touch on it quickly. Uh as far as windows, my understanding windows are not changing. So the location configuration that they are right now will be consistent forward. I'm not aware of market analysis or not. They're full and willing to move forward on this particular project. On a personal level, my my daughter lives in an apartment in Troy with the windows up. She she wants to get her configuration. So her as well essentially speaking

it's essentially what I always said as well. um you know we're looking at an industrial building and that particular arch type and people seek out industrial type buildings um and walks pretty commonly. Um yes and we are not changing the window arrangement um so that we don't have any issues with moving forward too soon. Are you getting funding from Chipo or you're not? Yes. Do you have approval from Chipo? I didn't see

there's part one just part two part two. Okay. Mr. uh was here last month. Um I noticed somewhere in the readings I've got lots of extra things in such a short time. Um there's something about uh easements versus purchasing parking. There was when it first came to us was presented they were going to do an easement on that property next door for the parking and sense they negotiated the purchase of the property. I correct.

Yep. Correct. Um, and I uh thought it was uh pretty great that you were going after the the architectural reservation that's happening there in the building. um something about changing a little bit is I don't back door that interest to see that. Um again, I don't believe that we're able to play on this. Um, it would be neat to see more tubes instead of studios, but I understand there's going to be a financial benefit for window safety. You need all the safety requirements. So that tenants in state. Yeah, we've made additional accommodations um as far as safety. here fully sprinkled in the building. Um as well as providing additional areas of refuge in the building um so that they have safe spaces to go into um and there is more resident concern that the last meeting in one from the neighborhood showed us pictures of the water in the parking lot and I guess that's why you put this basement. Is this adequate to resolve the problems that they've got in that area? Currently, they've got water problems between the multiple buildings, multiple properties, I guess I would say in that area.

Yeah, it is a mitigation measure that we are proposing for the across the board. Technically for DPC regulations, we're not required to provide any sort of remediation or infiltration or continuation of storm water because we're less than one acre. Uh so we're we're providing the the dry support, refiltration, collection, infiltration. We're also reducing the base area on the site and that uh the uh pave area in the front that access the garage the grass courtyard area the back of the structure as well. We're adding some area. So we're decreasing the impervious and we're adding infiltration. Hopefully that's something and I think it's great that you does that affect.

Um it was nice to see that you addressed a lot of concerns that we had last week. And then the other architecture was I noticed you indicated that all the um meters back pushed off street.

Yeah. Um you had on your site plan details some bike racks and they welcome the site plan. Do you have I'm just curious. I think that's great that you guys are going to provide bike racks. I know we have another back and then the the courtyard um push the space is that all in what's the finished material

right now is all in so this would be turf for plantings or plantation plantings in this particular area so the uh the park space about take water infiltration goes right and then you have your fence detail was the split rail fence correct separate and then I noticed that it's squared off so that you couldn't push snow into that corner is that why you got the wire mesh on there the wire mesh quite honestly that was uh left over from the detail for snow bas it'll look Yes.

Um, my only other comments have to do with comments that came from the city engineer and I and I think we all saw the the back and forth emails in which he responded to his questions and the one that was outstanding was to definitively figure out if I stream actually daylight goes into the system.

Yeah. And that's something we're still trying to get clarification from the city engineer on as far as the uh infrastructure on Cooper Street. We don't have clear direction on water, sorry, sanitary sewer and storm sewer. Uh the systems out there. So we're we're in in the process of working with Mr. and identify. Right now, as far as the the building itself, uh we're seeing a separate roofer going out the street, which we presume that goes to a storm system. And then we have a separate sanitary sewer. that obviously sanitary system. So that's something work in progress and uh if the board would consider conditional approval that we continue appreciate that.

I mean he was pretty clear on his condition anyway. He discovered that that goes into the sanitary sewer system you simply have to change it. So as long as that's acceptable to change that project. Um and then you pointed out the catchphrase over by the sidewalk. You guys reconfiguring that? Um yeah, we did recreate that. The um the original survey from way back did not have that. We went out, we did an update survey, we did locate that and it's obviously there. all that stuff that's being maintained and everything that right now that's why

I don't have any comments. Um, that was a lot of my questions about your comments, but I maybe I don't see the planting.

There should be a copy. So, we have the front as well. She six [Music] What's it called? [Music] Yep.

Um, and I'll take a look at that. What about the sidewalks? We talked about the sidewalks too. the conditions are going to be replacing the sidewalks or what's

the existing sidewalks are in good condition. Uh as far as uh along the frontage, there's a new sidewalk in this area and then the uh the back portion section that the majority of this maintain just clarification system and I just want to clarify It says NPA plan USA 13R and NFPA 13 and I saw questions as far as NFA 13 had to be used but 13 system will be used in commercial space. So is the whole building going to be a 13R system?

We did change the system 13 not 13. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So the entire building in the residential and then 13 commercial. Yeah. Our fire protection engineer was initially looking at it as like a fire separation area calculation. Um but it's just easier just that's my next question. Yeah. Um so based on the occupancy commercial base could require you know fire rating um you know could change an hour to 2 hours so you may still need separation usually in our system. Yes. Yes.

Um so I didn't know as far as classification there's actively a 1 hour waiting between those phases. Um and I believe tomorrow I have a question I guess uh you mentioned this is less site so drainage is not a consideration

as far as the New York State uh you're blown away for site service uh you're not required to do any sort of uh pre-post analysis uh quantity mitigation uh so our site is one below the service so we're below that threshold so DPC does not require that we're requested that we provide drywall so we provide those again we're we're decreasing the uh area on site have more opportunities on the site that change we had the uh so the quality of fire. They were mentioning that your site up to an area has 6 or 8 in of water. Uh I believe I mentioned the back parking area. So that is where we're adding the uh the dry rolls. Uh the dry rolls are low frost line. So I would suspect that that condition is in springtime and the ground is still frozen. There's not on the opportunity for infiltration. So by getting below the frost line, it should provide an opportunity for that that water to how big what size they're 4T diameter or 4T deep.

Okay. I'm very familiar with that location on there all the time. It's not just in the spring. It's whenever we get a big rain big. So that should take care of the problem. Yeah. If it doesn't take care of it completely, right? Cuz you're not going to have your tenants walking through 6 in. And then the uh I guess one other thing too is there any um I'm assuming that I mean lower level apartments that is not a problem. Is there any concern for that? Uh basement

garden terrace. Uh there are uh ratings on the board. Um so I think that's a couple comments. I'm glad to see you guys, you know, put a will to work with us and the neighbors on the drywall situation. I know for the neighbors that was that was a big thing. Um split rail fence. I don't know if that fits there. You know, the city just did an awesome project down along the waterfront where they have, you know, post with like 4x6 rail on them. It's more not far. You know what I'm saying? Like somebody's yard split rail that's kind of like,

you know what I'm saying? Like it's that you're in an industrial area. So, um maybe something a little different on just personal opinion, but um it's I think it's going to be a great project for the city. Um you know, there heard some really good comments um from everybody here. Um I'm interested to see how the shipo thing that that's going to come back. Um this is the first thing we've heard about that. You guys seem like it's not an issue. um with the windows. I know it's common in industrial buildings um that happen like that.

The less exterior change the better. What's that? The less exterior change the better, right? 100% cost on changing those windows would be huge. Um I just we'll see how that turns out with um the financing that you guys aren't seem to be worried about. So, um, doesn't really affect us, right? That's another question. Just on those, where's the fall relationship? Are they are they going to be this high on the average person or No, they're about 8 ft above above where they'll be the second floor.

Yeah, there like speak easy secret passages. It doesn't feel like something more than you think. That's all I see. has it.

Um, with respect to seeker, I would classify this as an unlisted action. The applicant is providing part one assessment. The board needs to go through the part two impact assessment. Number one, will the proposed action create material conflict with the adopted land use plan or zoning regulation? No or small impact. Number two, the proposed action result in a change in the use or intensity of use of land? No. No or small impact. Will proposed action impair the character or quality of the existing community? No or small impact. proposed action have an impact on the environmental characteristics that cause the establishment of critical environmental area? No. No. Would proposed action result in an adverse change in existing level of traffic or affect existing infrastructure for mass transit, biking or walkway? No. No. Will proposed action cause an increase in the use of energy and it fails to incorporate reasonably available energy conservation or renewable energy opportunities? No. No. Will the proposed action impact existing public private water supplies? No. No. Will uh public private wastewater treatment utilities? Yes. No. Will the proposed action impair the character or quality of important historic archaeological architectural oresthetic resources? No. No. Will the proposed action result in an adverse change to natural resources such as wetlands, water bodies, groundwater, air quality, flora or? No. No. Will the proposed action result in an increase in the potential for erosion, flooding, or drainage problems? No. No. Will the proposed action create a hazard to environmental resources or human health? Um, based upon the board's review of part two, the board could issues a negative declaration.

We just got to make sure

it's being motion. I'd like to make a motion planning board here by accept the agency status for the application of Uh, Green Springs Capital Group LLC contract vendee of the property commonly known as 178 to 180 Maple Street. Um, as presented at the meeting of August 6th, 2025, the board has determined the action to be a unlisted unlisted action and has reviewed the short form environmental assessment form on documentation and discussion issues and mega declaration.

I second. All in favor? I motions.

Yep. I had the whichever fashion motion I had that it's contingent upon the ownership transfer of the parking lot which they represented in the northern contract with pending land approval that the board um or the applicant would need to provide um the shipo approval determinations and continuation to address the city engineers comments relative to the roof James and the map final. Um her comments to the city engineer said that they've done an inventory of the sidewalk and it determined the sidewalk's regular shape. So the city engineer though is continuing to have comments relative to the roof drain and the applicant must comply with all requirements of the city engineer. [Music] I think that's one of the conditions right

you were going to change the details. Yeah. No, that's not a

we do not take an approval based on our conditions. [Music] It's just a 4x6 course and then it has a a horizontal just you just want a delineation between the two parking lots. The main reason it's got to be something that you know more fits the character. Yeah. So more like a guy type of detail.

Yeah. Yeah. But not not that fence too. How do we I don't see it. Put it in the fence as well. Fence has discussed the wood. Yeah. I mean, you're the architect. Well, it's just something that so people aren't going a little more substantial substantial but and just separating the two properties so the people cuz you do have two parking lots there together you know

so one that is referencing is very simple and design I think down there because they're concerned about cars that are 8 by8s and they like their old 2x8 maybe almost a 3x8 but it's got it's just got a wood field with just the rail goes across the top right [Music]

so we're going to consent conditional identification. [Music] Um, do you want two motions or one?

Okay. So move to uh I'd like to make a motion that the Glenn Falls Planning Board acting as the board of site plan and architectural review hereby grant architectural and site plan approval with the following conditions for the project identified as Green Springs Capital Group LLC contract D of the property commonly known as 178 to 180 M Street. The conditions are that Shipbo approval is determined that um the applicant address the city engineers comments regarding the roof drain and comply with all recommendations of the city attorney. City engineer city engineer. Um that

we ownership ownership of the parking lot ownership transfer of the parking lot is completed and approved by the um we submitted it's submitted to building the ownership transfer consolidation and that the fence that delineates the parking lot is a wooden guard rail style fence as presented at the meeting of August 6, 2025. [Music] All in favor?

Thank you very much. Next order of business. New business sketch plan review SP25-009 196 Red Bridge Street Falls LLC order tax number 302.16-16-1 commonly known as 196 bridge street represented by Ethan Hall presence hall architecture see the existing building into a six unit building as as well as construct six future town home units consisting of a threebedroom [Music] threebedroom units pursuant to city of Huntsville zoning code chapter 220-14P [Music] 1 2 this requires sketch plan review and approval also architecture review AR25-1 excuse me architecture review AR25-004 or 196 Ridge Street, Huntsfold LLC, owner of Tax Path number 302.16-16-1, commonly known as 196 Ridge Street, represented by Ethan Hall of Rinski Hall architecture to seeking architectural review to convert the existing building from a two-unit building into a six-unit apartment building as well as construct six future town or house units consisting of three bedroomedroom units pursuant to the city Bunswall zoning code chapter 220-14 E1 and 2. This will require architecture review and approval. Good evening. For your record, I'm principal resi hall architecture with

Dan Schneider who's member of 186 street runs. Uh the property is located for orientation. This is rich street running north south William Street on the phone west towards the east property is on the corner. Here's the existing building the garage that's attached to the other side of the building. There is a curve cut on uh red street that comes into the small parking area that is in front of it. There's also a curve cut down here further on William Street that comes into the back of the block. Those are the improvements that are there now. is a twostory with a full attic and a full basement. It's a brick structure, wood frame. Uh on the interior, uh there were at one time it was a single family home. It has been converted into what we can assume are two apartments. It looks like there was one on the downstairs floor with a small area in the back was broken out as a kind of a separate quarters. Maybe somebody was staying here as a as a home health aid or something like that. an upstairs apartment that may or may not have been two units at one time that got converted back to one. Um, at any rate, uh, Dan and the LLC have purchased the property. They've gone in and done the assess removal. Uh, was a fair amount that was in the basement, fair amount that was in the main floor of the house. That's all remediated. The garage space is on the north. It's surrounded on two sides by a bunch of sheds and put in there for storage. In fact, the one larger shed actually has a hole inside it access from the garage. Uh garage does have a third floor and that's that's part of the process. Um the plan

as it is is to create four apartments within the main the main apartment within the main building itself. Downstairs would be a onebedroom apartment in the back. Uh one bedroom apartment in the front one downstairs. Uh the two upper floors apartment two bedroom units one with a loft and two two loft space. one open to the main floor and one access by the stairwell. Uh so we would be utilizing all three floors. Um the garage will come off and a new building is being proposed there where the garage was. It's our intent to make that new building look like the existing building. So it kind of match the architectural flow on the facade of the building. Um right now we have that set up as a two unit, two two bedroom units. The downstairs would be an accessible unit. The upstairs would be an assist. Um, that would pretty much be phase one and two. The way that they're looking at doing this in phases is they they would like to do the main house first. Uh, get that up and and seed and occupied. Then do then do this second section over here. And then the town houses that we have out on the back side will be kind of phase three. So this is a we are showing you the whole thing to avoid segmentation. We want to show you everything that's going on so that we have it all done uh and and have set up so that it can all be done but building not physically. Uh we would utilize the existing uh groups on Bridge Street. Uh we're showing three parking spaces up front. One will be accessible just right next

to where the uh access to be. Um there is a driveway that's going to go around the end of the building there. We're showing this back corner. The way that the uh setback lines are kind of set. It's really hard to put a building in there trying to do anything. It's kind of cut back into the corner. to keep those keep our buildings up near the street about the parking back lot. Uh the townhouse unit the face that faces the road face that faces the other building which again be similar in style to the existing home that's there now. And those units would have uh you have their own garage plus up front. Um when we initially looked at the lot is it is just over an acre 1.2 acres or something. Uh density calculation will allow up to 19 units by the cities by the city zoning code. Um we we're proposing the total 12. So we're under um all we've got one and a half spaces on for the code. We're providing a few If you count all the parking spaces that are there, we've got 29. We've got way more than But again, we were looking at some of these, they are two bedroom units, so that could potentially make two people with cars for this and would be three bedroom towns. So, we would prefer to have it enough for the tenants. Um run through obviously detecting floor plans again. This is the first floor plan of the building and how it was originally set up

on the second floor. How this was originally set up. We we believe that this was two units. Two kitchens. So at one second floor we got two in there. This is the exterior elevations view and the street view here. And for our proposed layout, this would be the one bedroom in the front. Uh we have this entrance coming in off the main street side to the living room, the bedroom here, kitchen area, bathroom. Uh all units out with washer dryer. So washer dryer. Uh the bath unit here would be accessed from the back of the building into the living room unit here. Uh the bedroom space, kitchen area, bathroom. This is the next this would be phase two portion where the existing garage is that has the two bedroom. This is the accessible unit downstairs. It would come in pretty accurate whereas the first floor of the main building is actually a few steps up. Uh it's you have common entry to go to this apartment. The second floor shows that same apartment up above is accessed from that common way. Uh this is the two bedroom unit here in the front of the building on the second floor. Bedroom here and the stairs going up to a loft space that's above it. Uh again back has its own entry coming in off the woods. Uh the bedrooms in the back main living area internal to the building go up to the loft area.

These are the loft plans. This is the loft access. successfully the building will be transparent then the match cut we put five on each one of very closely resemble the ones in there and would have the same brick facade and stone that wraps the bottom of the building now that structure uh the William Street side really on the main building doesn't change this would be the addition now two story this would be a five cement sighting on the back do something that's a complimentary color to the brick.

So just

yeah we probably going to continue set around just to match because that does kind of wrap around the building that way and then the townhouse unit. These are all rental units. There's somebody We said at one point that there was going to be something with facilities. These are not facilities. These are all townhouse units. Um downstairs each unit has a garage in the main entry with a powder room. Uh living room and dining area with kitchenette. You come upstairs to the master bedroom and it own bathroom and two bedrooms in the back bathroom and a laundry room upstairs. All those units are exactly the same. We've tried to the William Street side mimic the brick main building to bring in the same uh ventil windows and the same panels the same entryway over the over the sliding glass doors to the unit. We would be fixing street side there. As we wrap the corner of the building, we would keep the brick on the bottom side on the top of that go to the back.

Does this notions?

We wanted to get this in front of you. you know, and just rather have them do a lot of work on the building themselves. Um, so they they wanted to get from the board, get some feedback, see what you feel was, you know, additional we we meet all the zoning requirements actually way under gone through it fairly extensively. We we show them, you know, where we just make sure there was anything to be missed. Um, so wise to meet parking requirements, we were not putting as many units as we could put on there. Um, it's just

it's appreciated when you come for

as far as the site itself goes, um, we have done we've done a little bit of the site work already looking at what we what we need to do. We need to go out and do a couple tests, find out what the soil conditions are. Um, the shed is here behind the building. Now, it is our intent to relocate that down here so that they can use that stuff on site inside anymore with this. So, we would do that. Uh, there's no location right here. And when you fence, you know, close so that it so that um pick up and come in this way, grab it, do a small back up turn, back out on the bridge. Um the main in and out there, there is a main in and out like I said here on ridge and there is a main in and out being a oneway street a very close edge to the ridge side. So there's not there's not going to be a lot of traffic that that might be generated by this that can't go down.

Thank you so much. It's so refreshing. Can we make sure we speak in your sense of the public hearing? Oh, sorry.

Um, yeah, I appreciate all the work done so far, especially with the technical stuff. A lot of people kind of lost. Um, so I'll start with the the main building that's attached to the original house. Really appreciate the matching of the style and brick is and the roof pictures are the same. Yeah. Exactly. And that foundation stone is going to be similar. But what's there?

I know. Yeah. [Music] So it'll more than likely be some kind of set up. Okay. On the front, but it'll be Yeah. the one that we used for 33 park. We do that instead of the wide set of stone on the bottom. So it will be something very similar to that. And you're not going to be able to match perfectly, but it will be something that does we can get pretty close. Pretty close. Yeah.

No, I mean I think you know what you've done and all that is appreciated. It would be lovely if we could break all the way around by a total of that. You have to be able to build this. Yes. And if you So your plans maybe I don't know that we'll go with red. Um the the we've used the red in a couple places, but we we can get something that's fairly close, but I think that we're going to look at something that's more of a complimentary color. So that sort of downplays maybe that it's the back of the building. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're 30 ft away from the other property. Yeah.

So, you know, um so I guess much appreciated that addition time. Um question on the town houses. Those two sliding glass doors at either endings in the back.

Yeah. super worked out really nicely back the layout on these two because it gives them some opportunity to have some windows on different that was sort of my lead to can look at the walks around the elevation

on this So this is the elevation street and with this door and this um canopy that's over the top of it. The one that's one that's on the front here. Yeah, that's the slide glass door that's going to be facing.

Correct. done is this this canopy that comes over that matches the one that's on the rich street side. So for the main house on the main house there's one that's on the street side right

this side right here it matches this one we try to match here as well so it's kind of the theme taking that right around there is one that's on the street side of this building as well right so bringing that right down the Um I mean I think it's so important to tie together obviously on like aesthetically kind of over also in terms of massing. So what is the roof pitch on

the roof pitch on the townhouse is very similar. This I think this is either 9 or 10. We were really close to this. I think this is like close to an eight. If we go that that much higher with it just space is that an empty space up there to match the one that's on the street side of the building. Yeah, this is um so different um when we wrap around.

So this would be the side that would be facing the existing building sort of that little utility shed lower right hand elevation right here. Yeah,

this this is where the um where the water entry service will be and the gas meters and stuff so that they're not outside the building. We get them inside this shed here so they don't um the brick will run all the way across the front here. I broke it with that that little shed roof that we got on the top of that side again color to that I'm thinking it's going to be some kind of beige something that kind of match with the lines of the brick and tie that and then you got the shade pattern in the probably some kind of I

mean, I just had some practical questions which talk about everybody else too about how you're shielding the neighbors from the parking area and the back side of the town houses and then I'm going to make a very odd comment for an architect is you won't be able to match that building but you're bit street and actually I think it would be great with some really robust greenery just sheerly that facade not the screen not and I say that because it's practical and we can't we can't force it to look

in the old way not to look And we've got so we have the iron fence that runs up bridge and also runs down here. Uh we're we're going to enhance the planting. I'm working on with the first right now doing a planting plan of the site tree inventory of what's here going through with them see which trees are salvageable. There's some that are in the back of the house now that just come over from they're not they're not salvageable anymore. Uh but what we're doing is going through figuring out which ones can stay which we're going to have to take. Now that was really our reason for even this here. This is unveated already. Uh there is a pretty heavy uh vegetation this back in this building and building there. They also have office right next on that fence. most likely back side of the property between this building and also around back here. So, we're separating the parking back.

Yeah. The part that came privacy both for new tenants as well as the neighbors. Maybe a certain point about what?

So the only the only lighting that back here would be the four lights doors. Um and then and these doors don't have sliding glass doors. These are personnel door window. So that's just a personel single person. Yes, just little spaces outside. They're only like 60 ft. It's just enough for somebody to park on. It's not big enough for you, outdoor living space. It's more than just space or whatever. Um that the patio on the end on the end. Um as far as permability, one thing I didn't mention was the space apron in front of the townhouse is set up. storm water management, how we get water into the ground. We have to do a full landscaping management for

you there as well. Yeah. Yeah. Require My question would be the parking area. Is there going to be lighting the parking area? Is are the local residents protected that the lighting is not?

Yeah, it would not be our intent that we're going to have large pole mountain bikes. Um, more than likely what we're going to wind up in here are light ballisters that that have the light from here down and just, you know, provide some lighting back there. Um, I don't really see any reason to have a kind of pole mounted light back here. I don't think it's necessary. We don't have that many other places. And this because this is a residential neighborhood. I like to keep the lights down low. um similar to what we did in the hatchers. We did a a parking lot right across the street and all theirs are the low volts that just parking lot up high and and water from the parking lot will flow away. We're we're going to line up the gas bases here. Guess we're moving tests and stuff for make sure we have a couple dry in here and everything will pitch into the dry away from the site. Then you got area for snow removal.

Yes. We got we have snow removal storage down here on the end. We get to this and we're going to detect the fence all the way from we'll start put it up the property line around the back this way and then bring it back here. There's already part of the fence here that's on the neighbor's property and it's brand new. No sense at us building. There are several different kinds of fences along the back here. Some of them are good shape. uh it's probably going to be a privacy the thing that sticks out to me the most with this um it's great to see uh three bedrooms and hopefully some of these chalk full families. Um, I'm just curious with how much parking there is, which I've been places where there wasn't as nice as this, and that's a great thing to have. Is there is there any uh consideration for the little people that'll be eating some grass to put between their toes? If if this were a full plot and all these things like all those marking spots in the back, but it it's just a thought, but it works. What we what what Dan Adam and I talked about actually was we we had the serious set. We know that we know that we can make parking al and and and putting what we call banking spaces. They're there. They're set aside, but we don't build them until we need to until we know we need that. That's right. It just be interesting if

like Yeah. They work itself out like we don't need them. Yeah. Why? Why have why have 10 parking spaces more than what we actually need?

They're not necessary. So yeah, in that case, you know, you know, probably these last six or eight we would not build right away. You know, we got them there, but we build them out until we can always pay for a certificate. It turns out it's necessary. I guess you got the name of the answer as far as when I first saw this, you know, here my head too much. Um, you know, my first thought Chris said, you know, to me, this is going to be done and it's it's obviously a very classy type of thing. That'd be a great space to have a table and some picnic tables or something like that. along those lines. Um, as far as site view, I I've looked at this site a couple of times and I'm concerned I have an uh permability ratio, but there's probably at least a twoft drop from Bridge Street to the back of your property at least. And to me, it's just I mean, you're going to protest on it, too. and and this you know this area if you come in so I I agree with you Tom if you come in here this point it drops back you go here but once you get back here this is relatively flat all the way through there's not much of a change in grade here so really our change in grade right and I come in at this level at the upper the upper area and I actually drove like around the back side of this down into this drove truck down in here just to make sure that that was radius. Um there

you mentioned about the fence as far back. Um, one thing that really bothered me, I think what we were doing in the building up front Los Angeles. Um, I mean I This is a building that over the years I've actually had some cash. this is that I would like to provide. People had no idea how big that was. Um, so I I think the front part is one thing that really bothers me personally about the front is is the fact about what parking cars out in the front because to me the first thing I saw I was trying to think of examples that's you know to me it's there's nothing even close to that and the thing closer to that anniversary is stewards right I don't think you want to be stewards you got so much parking. Too much parking want to here's here's we discussed this. So because this downstairs is our accessible unit we did decide to put an accessible apartment here that's behind that's our most direct I look at that now we're in great change right in order to get from here back up to this floor level ramp in here right I can make this right accur shortterm parking for visitors or for you know door dash someone who's dropping stuff off um people with their groceries want to drop their groceries off they go park the car back all the way out so we did talk about that this be the accessible parking space so there wouldn't necessarily be car park there all the time um and we did

you know we we had originally laid out we had additional parking here we had three extra cars up here many times like I forget count. Let's make leave this as green space in the front of the building because this this is all nice green space. The landscaping is significantly overgrown and all has to be replaced and replaced. Um take taking all that into consideration is it's it's going to look terrible. All right. Uh you know maybe it's going to cause a little hardship you got back. you have to do anything but there's nothing in that person and to me it's stuck out to me and again it's a personal thing almost gives it a feel like a commercial type of thing or a high museum or you know a something like that you've got too much parking you know it just seems you know you got 30 ft up in that line and some parts of it just personally I I think that really is going to factor Are you suggesting maybe they just do one handicap spot and one shortterm and then eliminate the others? Is that something I mean if nothing else contracts the fact that you're cover again that's just a personal just from some comments that I heard that you know to me it detracts it's almost like you're doing this beautiful restoration of this building initiative But then you got so like 99% and the uh

I guess we know there's not any no indication background table there. What about the uh any sewers and things like that? Cuz on the back property line on street there's a 6 inc [Music] figure out where he wants us if he wants us. There is a man here.

Yeah. I think that's the that's the most direct route out. Obviously the existing building is already sewer. Um we have a scope we got to make sure that it doesn't collapse anything there. We know we have new water in water line. It's not running system bringing the water line or talking about that um electrical probably electric service in what's there not accurate enough to run six unit was enough to run off I guess just one other thing as far as site plan the uh what are the heat units going to be on the uh are they going to be visible I mean are Well, the right now is there's each each build where building and probably three units here small small [Music] pattern We may we may be able, you know, the run is not far enough that we may be able to get all six of them back here, right? Uh still run down the center. I mean, worst case scenario, even if you had to take like Nina had mentioned that one on hand,

right? bring that to the back and use that tire side, but also conceal match. The only thing I say I think I'm sure you are neighbors touch it's something that's going to impact people administration neighbors as you know actually they're all single family I think one of those one on the other property. So I just think it's important to practice this process to make sure that's why that's why we not it's not an alltime thing again we've got six units six units there are involved in this so these these units here are really this building so we put it back there and that's why we talked about the privacy fence that keep that separated. Um those are really effective over them but it doesn't show through that

earlier as far as the parking street doesn't bother me as much I think because you're fire parking because it's a lot closer to there than it is. So during the day you may have cars parking there is yeah there is from from Williams going north there is parking that's available on the street obviously it's not right there um but really there's not there's not a lot I know a few of residences that you have through here um you know during the day park it's not it's not I I like this house, so I'm glad to see that it's a TLC. Um, it is. It's really neat. Um, I think the architecture looks good. I really do. I, you know, I can see your point about when you get that house redone, it's going to be beautiful. You haven't been able to really see it for years now. So over

um so I can appreciate that that it would be beautiful to have you know but I understand your your situation as well. Um everybody else has covered this looks great. I'll be anxious to see the land. drawings look great. Um, you know, I'm not going to keep going over the same thing that the vehicles parking right through the syringe. It's really going to take away from the project. I kind of understand the the thought process on being there, but you done so much on the rest of the project to not push it to the limits of where it could be and and be, you know, take the neighbors into consideration and the whole deal. And it is going to be a big thing on that corner. It could really really look great. 90% there, you know. um thought pretty much everything in the building looks great. You you brought the old architecture back into the new park. Um I think sketch where we are is awesome. We appreciate the feedback. That's why you need your feedback on it. I said you've been over it pretty make sure that we had all the high value.

Has it been vacant for a long time in the past in the building? Yes. It was on the market for quite for a while. Yeah. Put on took it off and put it back on. Do you just have a lot just this project? No, no. I just I heard off things interested in all three.

This this big one here and there's two more here. one that's back and that's interesting. Did uh the fire prevention officer's comments get relayed to Ethan? Uh no, I accidentally

So Aaron Lieutenant War was asking what is the width of the road going from Bridge to William? Okay, since the highest portion of the eastern building is over 30 ft, um it looks like he's saying the fire department access road means to be 26 ft wide access.

Okay. And then with the parking spots in the rear, what is the distance from the curve of the road cutting through the project to the edge of parking area west? Maybe Devon can forward this email to you and you can work Yeah, since you got usually does not we just got it today. So just so be aware of that. Sure.

Yeah. This this road coming in is is a 24T road 24 wide road coming in and it goes all the way back here. Obviously they're not going to drive the fire all the way back here 14T which typically 14T access for oneway traffic is adequate for you know truck to get around the turning grade guy when you're out on here for the truck. Okay. Yeah. Just to make sure you have a discussion. I just want you to make sure you have this success. No,

absolutely. And I was also, you know, this was also trash. We tried to put we tried to put this in a location where it would be least intrusive to any of the neighbors. So, put it here, wrapped it around. This way when the truck comes in, they can come in and pick it up and melt it right out this way. And they don't have to have backup alarm. If we if we wind up if we wind up moving and moving this down here and put it in a spot and get it at an angle that help again that all we'll have that completely all the way All [Music] right, I'm going to open this up. See if there's anybody from the public that want to comment on this. Anyone from the public like to comment on this?

What's that? Yeah, that's awesome. Um I found out about the project I can't understand how project my neighbors were nobody took the time including neighbors I did I could hear comments I love I have seen United States.

Well, we excuse sir. We open this up to to public comments and we're we're listening to but this is just the first time that the city has seen this. Okay. Yes. So you saw what you saw yesterday. So I've had the plans for a week and a half, but yes, this is where it's introduced. Okay. Why was anybody sketch noticed when

So this is a sketch plan for us to see this and then you'll get ne really we didn't have to open this up for comments, but everybody was here. Wait, next meeting when we have the site plan review and the architectural review is where the public really gets comment. But you guys are all here and we want to hear what you have to say. Well, no, I'm not doing you a favor, but I want to hear what you have to say. We all No, I'm What I'm saying is it was noticed as sketch plan review. When it becomes site plan review, that's when the abuing neighbors will receive request from all the neighbors and tell us what's going on.

Well, you when it's site plan review official where the board would actually vote, that's when all the neighbors, the neighbors within a certain distance will receive will receive an actual written notice to be a legal notice that that that's going on. So we're not the board is not we're not doing anything. We just it's getting introduced to us. [Music] It's not secret. It's not secret. In fact,

well that's not only the requirement. really acceptable. I didn't think this is about the way the process would work. Sure. What's your name? What's your name, sir?

This is what we're going to do right there. Fine. House is an icon for 60 years. There's a lot of historical not that there's a lot of historical homes. My home office was built downtown there in 1898. This is the original house. This would be the largest multi- apartment building. I've seen this house in a terrible disappearance. I'm not sure if I'm not an architect. I think you can build something here without completing this house here and my house. Not my house anymore. I sold it uh on this side and then you put 20 parking spaces. The land behind it's the only ingress and be right up there in there looking at tax. There's no other I think decisive not to rebuild. I think architectural but I'm sure it'll be more public. I just wanted to make that comment now because historical

my house is 1842 but it was moved there in 1892. So it's been lovely here for me and this place since so I think these are just some preliminary ideas when you're looking at this whole project this part behind [Music] Her brother Street in my old years of hearing aids I haven't been able to follow at all. So please stop me if I start saying something that's already been covered. But uh I want to sort of second thing about uh notice going up to the nature from before this because I understand that you guys give them go ahead conceptually anyway to keep working on this and uh my time we get notification down the road kind of late to anyway. Um my main point is that uh that has these great avenues street and street not too long ago house and um Rich Street is going on a critical point where um as continues to prosper and maybe it'll be fixed up and be once again as new college sort of entry to the city or maybe like um and I think that the this sort of

cheap over project nudges street more to in the long direction on that number of us here who have live in those green houses on our street we invest significantly in maintaining the heritage and But the look at the just was against this drawing. I guess you can see it. So I want to applaud the the um promise to renovate old house version. that makes a good sense, but I think it's going to be that is going to be some lost by this thing that's being kept on the side of it. Um, it's you know Victorian houses are traditionally taller than they are wide and and the windows same thing even more screen. This is just a a swap swap um modern building which I think a cheap thing and the you know having plastic plaster not and then of course the the structure of that they seem to be popping up all over the walls and that was one of values less for cheap shortcuts to call but as many as cheap as possible Yes, sir.

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Can you speak up?

What's your name? Now this is basically just right outside. [Music] [Music] [Music] Hi. Hello. My name is Rachel. I'm the owner of 200 Street. So, I'm doing the same as um back here. My property is fabric on two sides. Um I do understand and realize that they are under well under the zoning. um you know a lot of units whatever. Um however considering that there is not was nothing there before I believe that the impact to the neighborhood the area is much more significant and is was eventually like presently laid out uh for proposal. I do appreciate the improvements that you made. I know you spoke to my husband I think it was you when you first bought the property. Um however there's um you know not entirely opposed to the the um proposal I guess but um we are concerned about the environmental impact. You know some of those issues were addressed in your presentation where it was very hard to hear. So I I'm not sure if we got all the information correct. Um largely the size and scale of the project is a concern for that small area. Um we're looking at 29

vehicles um and 29 plus individuals moving into that space. Is a oneway situation going through onsite onsite we can call whatever we want. So it is it is set up.

Okay. I mean, I guess the directionality of this, but um the driveway to the back office here, right, is going to be right next to my house. So, all of those cars are going to be driving right by my house. Like, I'm just cars going by my windows. Um um which is going to be a lot of vehicle traffic as well as pedestrian traffic I'm concerned about. Um, I know that was mentioned about the lighting in the back parking lot. Um, I, you know, is that something that could be made conditional with this moves forward. Um, I have, um, visibility from my back deck and my kitchen right into the parking lot parking lot right now. Um, and so we're looking at like a visual impact in that regard from my office. There's a bedroom um, right above that. So, you know, our visual field as well as um any sort of noise, any sort of um light that's you know, put back there right. Um the other issue is the location of the officer units not, you know, you never know many families and what people know in the area concerned about um you know, is this going to be enough? you know, are we going to have pests or, you know, what's going to happen with that? Um, again, it's right next to my house. Um, and I was not able to tell um the distance of the doctor from my house and drawing. I'm sorry. Um, let's see. Um, I am concerned about pedestrian traffic on bridge. Um, having a driveway right off the bridge myself. Um you you really have to stop it multiple times to make sure that there's no one walking down the street and

concerned. Um since our driveways are parallel visibility um with 29 more cars coming in and out of there that it is definitely just a city pedestrian safety issue. Um so maybe like improving visibility uh there. Um again the cars parked in the front. um is a um it definitely takes away some of the um more uh look and appeal. I don't necessarily want to be looking at park cars um all day. So um the back the back parking lot I know you said that there's many privacy beds for them. Does that have all I mean part of that is my heads. So like are you putting additional fence or are you using my beds? We're going to we're going to take a look and see which ones are need to be replaced and which ones are not.

So some of it's going to be my fence. Well I'm more concerned about um like snow removal. I wasn't sure where you said you look that you're going to have snow pushing up against the fence. So there is fence that run here. Okay. And then did you say the um water and all that stuff is going to be like the excess is going to be there? Everything everything is going to there's going to be drywalls that are here. All of this drywalls.

Okay. Um Please, you're not. Um, okay. And then, oh, yes, the trees on the property line. Um, not determined as far as which ones are you're taking down. We're working with the yards right now to see which ones are healthy enough, but there are some I agree there are that need to come down.

I am concerned with the um my house. Cool. And yeah, the ones that are in need of coming down, that's what we're working with to see which ones are ones that come out obviously. Um, that is another concern is it does this project does take away a lot of the greenery that's in this area. That being said, I do understand that the lot is unused and it's uninhabited and so it's been left to overgrow. You know, I do understand we live in a city, so we have to make room for certain things. Um, but it certainly takes away from the aesthetic of the area. Um, and then the safety if we're having um now we're going to have multiple like 30 more individuals on the property. Um, you know, right along many sides of my property. Um, you know, my children play out in our backyard. What are they going to be hearing? What are we going to be listening to? Are we you know whether you're going to be like fighting people swearing you know what I mean like it just annoys pollution I guess is the way to put it um that's um also an issue and then um a large issue is resale value for our home um if this doesn't end up being our forever home you know how's that going to affect our resale value now that by um Um, thank you.

Oh, yeah. Make a comment, please. Well, they probably want to hear the sound system.

Yeah. Take the microphone. You guys want to sit down? He's not paying for everything you ask and then you're placing this way to when you're explaining something. We're just about to move back. So just so you know from an audience standpoint, boy, this is tough and I have hearing and I have to work. So from a practical standpoint, my name is Barb. We are backing up for this project as well. um through 206. I think you answered the first question which I think is the number one thing that everybody here that we have not been notified but the process is that we did not get notified by this most correct. So this is sketch plan review. So it is noticed as sketch plan review and architect review. when it's on for official site plan review that's when you would receive your individual mailer telling you okay so that answers a lot of questions but in my mind you go into all this detail all this no this is actually nice that the applicant came before the board [Music]

and you guys were all here so we and I don't I'm not saying this right and I want to hear this. Okay.

So my second thing is I understand the city is in the process of doing a comprehensive plan and when we purchase our house we were told that it was all single family except for the ones that were originally built as duplexes. And so one of the things I have been trying to figure out is who do I talk to um to make sure that it stays single family residential and not multifamily unless these were originally built that way. You look at the other three corners, these things are built 100 years ago intentionally built to be apartments and rentals. This home um was built as a single family home. Now I would expect something and then turn back into the single family. um that's ideal to expect it but I also didn't expect it to then contrary to the number of places that are in because I completely changes the character of the and I think the whole purpose of what we're trying to do in building community building home ownership and people who want to stay invest in the community and really make a difference in terms of their homes. So my concern is I love the idea by the way that you're renovating and not just taking this home but to then add another

threebedroom homes is like am I in his own multi right and I don't know I can't tell you the date but you bought your house there and yes that's your responsibility

I I have no about that and I didn't know the results can't bring the time I should have checked but being that it is I have a whole lot of questions which I think some of them I can get from the internet and some of that I can't what is called you know what is multi and how how much is density in terms of numbers of people numbers of apartments or homes you know I mean the idea of all of a sudden having my backyard that was all nice and forced now parking lot and the lights and the employees and the people that is extremely so I'm sure we all have a number of other questions I won't go into all right now um next time but my biggest concern are so [Music] Thank you.

I live long about 5 months away from

what where is 11. So it's about 5 miles away. Um, aside from this project, we've had a lot going on in our neighborhood. A lot also been gather together for some time because of other properties nearby across the street from this property that been in a bad uh stage and uh in renovation. We then meet with the mayor with um our uh council person on a regular basis and talking about these things. So uh you will I think to hear from me and my neighbors about this and again about all this going on. There is a great interest in historic preservation in our area. It's very significant historic part of the city. Uh the former uh governor of New York Dix uh is on the opposite corner. um and uh is and that's where you got the name of Avenue and that home is is still there and occupied uh by one of our speakers. So uh a great interest in historic preservation. Uh we would love to see this property preserved and done in an appropriate way following the check standards. Um we we believe that we're proposing to use uh record 2. That is not a good standard. And uh the former commissioner of housing for the state of New York is we implemented rules that are still in place today that do not allow any housing residential housing to be used within to ensure any kind of state or government funding is is involved. And I would love to see

through our comprehensive plan uh for the planning board to follow similar rules that the state of New York is imposing for them to enter particularly on the historic structure. Um, I think that the uh proposed use of parking in the front of the building is a distraction and a negative impact on you and the historic the historic building itself and other historic buildings. Uh, the use of 29 cars coming in and out of there. The negative impact environmentally in our neighborhood I think is significant and I would ask you to look more closely at that. And I think the very negative impact of the proposed new construction of six units uh near the property on Lon Street. Um gas allowed here and perhaped. Uh but to do that on a property that's historic property um and to add that many units and that many spaces I think is negative. Hi my name is Dave Cook. I live on 202 Street. Um and and we're good and privileged to be able to uh have just moved here from Massachusetts in September and showc feel honored to be part of that heritage. Really want to do something our home without. But anyway, I came to say Bill 2 that had already expressed their concerns and looking at the zoning and stuff like that talks about high density, medium, low density and it seems like our area is kind of low

density wooded area that we look forward to enjoying and I know just a piece of creation but um to have that turned into complexes in parking. It's um to me feels like a deterioration of the value of our neighborhood and our home and I realize the plans are excellent plans and just want to appreciate you folks giving us here. I appreciate people being here and having input. We have 14,000 people in the city and a lot of times it's empty. So, I know that this directly affects you guys, but I really appreciate the public's comments. That's why we're all volunteers here, cuz we care about what goes on. Hi, I'm Lisa Davis and I guess I just want to reiterate a lot of what everyone else has said, the aesthetics of the neighborhood, how it will affect that, the um the parking issues as well as the number of people that will be coming in and out. Logan Street is a oneway street. already have tons of people going down the wrong way. Um, you know, I think that building I think [Music] I will

I never What's your name, sir?

Will I think it's a good idea? I just ne [Music] I want to thank you all for your comments. Um, again, you mentioned this is going to be done in phases.

All right. So, it's it's the main house first, then the town be second. second and you're looking for approval for all you have to under our code segmentation is not allowed. So if there's more than one phase that must be addressed all at site otherwise it's called segmentation and it's not

the entire property the entire project not just days at a time. What's that? So, we've got we've got new we will take a look at the appropriate things and move forward from there. I'll be soon back. Um, I don't know when we'll be ready to come back in September. Like I said, we're still working on it. just want to get this property in front.

Okay. The one thing I want to make clear is this isn't approved. We're not allowing them to build anything. They're cleaning up the site, remediating a best asbestous. Nothing is approved here. Nothing is being built. Okay? It's just doing taking and cleaning up the site. And I imagine knowing this gentleman as I do that you'll see great improvements there over the next month. Okay. Whether they come back here for approvals will not the property will still keep looking better. Okay. But we have not approved anything. This was just to hear their ideas. Okay.

That's a building codes issue, but you just hold the owner right now. So, Yeah. And there is limits like they can only do so much of the property. I'm certain the lawn could have been m okay.

Did you did you notice architectural review? It's on the agenda. a scale planner and then you have it as you actually [Music] so we're not we don't need to pay

no last thing on the agenda this evening sign board review BP25-006 city housing authority owner of tax map number 303.17-16 SD 3.2 2 county owners 45 street to stall 20 square foot the pre-standing sign on the property to the city of zoning code chapter 180-6 F3 this will require sign board review and approval anyone here you want to represent the sign board I got one thing I have to take care of so there's no one here representing the sign board for you [Music] Are you here for the application?

You just work for the housing authority. So you're on board. Someone is there anyone here representing the applicant for the city? You're not representing the city. This will get tabled till next month. I make a motion.

What we're doing is Yeah, we know it's just a formality.

So, what are we doing? Right. [Music] So, so why is it? Yes. I express channels. Are they not coming next time either?

I don't know. really understand that and so there's supposed to be someone here. I will say I do but it is not my job for the past two days. [Music] You're on the board. I only have one question to this application.

So what do we do? We just It has to be true. I make a motion to table this application for the next meeting. Second. Okay. All favor. That's mom. Mom showed up.

Yep. Someone replied [Music] second. There needs to be a motion to adjourn. I make a motion to make a second. Thank you very much. Are we done?

None. Yes. Hey trial yet, [Music]

right? And it's all over everywhere else. And we're making money. You think those people Breathe out.