Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Thursday, January 15, 2026
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About this meeting

Government Body
Planning Commission
Meeting Type
Planning Commission
Location
Gig Harbor, WA
Meeting Date
January 15, 2026

Transcript

284 sections (from 313 segments)

0:02 – 0:150

Good afternoon. I called to order the Gig Harbor City Council study session. Today is Thursday, June January 15. It is 03:02, and I will ask the assistant clerk to call the roll, please.

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Council member Oman. Here. Council member Coronado. Here. Council member Edberg. Here. Council member Martin. Here. Council member Stone. Here. Council member Rodenburg. Good morning. Good.

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I do not see council member Tessichini. I do not see.

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I just heard it. Uh-oh.

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And there's council member Rodenburg.

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I apologize to everyone.

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And did I hear council member Tessichini on the call?

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To get a drink.

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Okay. Perfect. Hey. Before we get to our two agenda items, I do have two really quick items. And the first is really to thank all of you for your patience and grace and everything this week as we've been trying to get through absences and accomplish everything that we need to accomplish during the workday.

1:05 – 1:410

I really appreciate all of you being part of the team that makes the city as amazing as it is. So I just wanted to say that, and I will probably continue to say that. I'm very grateful for each of you. The second thing I wanted to bring up is I would like to ask for your concurrence to sign on to a bill that's in the legislature right now and not part of our legislative agenda. The bill is senate bill fifty eight fifty five, and there's also a companion bill in the house, but I don't have that number.

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The bill concerns the use of face coverings by law enforcement officers. And I have spoken with our PD leadership who are in the room if you happen to have questions for them, but they support our signing on to this bill. Currently, masks are prohibited in state, but the this bill kind of expands on that to include face coverings. There are exemptions for when it's part of your uniform that is needed in the line of duty, that kind of thing, and also for health emergencies like COVID, that kind of thing. I believe that this is a good bill for us to sign.

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It shows that we're supporting our community and kind of protecting them from what a little bit from what's going on. Our lobbyists also suggest that we sign on in support, but that we don't have to testify. And I would, at this point, recommend not testify, but support it. Do either of you want to add anything? I don't know if the chart goes like this.

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Just for clarification, New York Police Department's officers don't wear face masks in any operations we've done. The only instance in which that could possibly even come into place if we ever assigned an officer to the to the South Sound Metro SWAT team, and that's the only thing I could possibly see coming into play. This department's dorm, nor have we ever, as far as I know, historically speaking, felt we had a need to wear a face mask during any of our operations.

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And I believe SWAT team uniforms, that kind of thing, are protected in this field too. Right. So I am hoping that I can have your concurrence to sign on to that. Any concerns, questions?

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Nothing else.

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Pros and cons in your opinion just to get your professional opinion a little bit.

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Chief Trey Petterich, New York City Police Department. Pros and cons, my understanding when you look through law enforcement history, the use of base masks was initially, utilized at for covert operations, mainly surrounding narcotics, vice, and, confidential officers or officers who operated in a covert capacity. Do I see a benefit there for that for that type of law enforcement? I do. When I look at the type of law enforcement, Department of Police Department conducts, we're we're not in that avenue of law enforcement.

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Therefore, I don't see a need or or reason why we ever would. If if a incident came up where we utilized covert law enforcement officers because it was in an undercover capacity, that would, of course, be a broader conversation. And I would assume that the the bill would make exclusions because a covert officer would technically have a uniform, though that uniform would be civilian clothes and may require the use of a face mask.

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Councilmember Stuh.

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Thank you, mayor. I believe I think I'm understanding your request is to sign on in support. I just wanna clarify that. Yes. You can also sign in con.

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But you said yes. Okay.

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In support.

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Okay. I wholeheartedly agree and appreciate you bringing this up. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Council member Ron Berger. Would it be

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of any benefit to us to put something in writing in your SOPs regarding that?

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We definitely can look at our policy. Say no. It would

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be any benefit. I didn't think

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we're under Well, no. I and I'm I would have to review policy if it may already be addressed in our policy, but we, of course, can look at look at our policy as it pertains to special operations and and what those uniform standards look like. Again, it's not been something would be remiss to say that or making a statement about something that's never been an issue with Gape Harbor as far as my as far as I know. But we, of course, are continually looking to better our policies and and keep up with the trends and best practices of law enforcement. Thank you.

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Good. I

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will sign on to that bill after this meeting. Thank you. Okay. Our second no.

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I'm writing my piece of paper.

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Our second item or the first real the first published item on the agenda is the resolution to name the boat storage building at Ansitch Park, and I'm going to turn it over to parks manager, Jennifer Harrow, for the report. Thank you, mayor. Actually, if I could, before we start, I just wanna say that I wholeheartedly support this resolution before she even starts.

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Yes. Thank you, mayor. I'm Jennifer Harrow, the parks manager here at the city. At the end of the presentation, we are requesting input on a draft resolution before you and direction on bringing it to the next regular city council meeting for adoption. After a long public process, the city opened the boat storage building at Van Sitch Waterfront Park in 2022 for public rentals and for use by the Gig Harbor Canoe and Kayak Racing Team.

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The building was not given an official name as part of the park, but the city has received a request from Missy Hill and coach Alison Murzinski to name of of the Gig Harbor Canoe and Kayak Racing Team to name the building after the founder of the team, Allen Anderson. The Canoe and Kayak Race team is a source of pride for the city, including bringing home national championship 11 times and producing world class athletes, including Olympic medalists. The letter from Missy Hill that was included in your packet outlines many of the reasons why mister Anderson deserves to have the building named after him. From the city's perspective, he was also instrumental in getting the building built. The city's naming policy allows a park or facility to be named after a living person when the individual has made an unusually outstanding public service contribution.

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A detached request and draft resolution explain mister Anderson's public service contributions in more detail. Staff recommends approval of the draft resolution, and at the January 7 Parks Commission meeting, commissioners voted unanimously to recommend that council approve renaming of the building to the Alice Allen Anderson Boat Storage Building. If the resolution is adopted, staff will move quickly to order and sign and place it on the building. But there are others in attendance online, including coach Allison and Missy Hill, who are available to speak in more detail about mister Anderson's contributions if you desire. But I'm happy to answer any questions or concerns that you have about this.

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Oh, Jeff also has a photo in case you haven't been down there lately. This was well, it was still under construction, but it was the closer photos we have. But this is the building, and it would be intended that the sign would be on this level and not on the upper level of Ansich Waterfront Park. And we can work together to find the best place or a sign on the building. But that's all I have for now.

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I do know there are people online who would would mind the opportunity to talk, but if I'm also happy to answer questions.

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Okay. Good. Sign. Mhmm. No. Just joking. Sorry. It

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would the the sign, council member would be in keeping with our city, other park signs and that kind of thing. So that that is what what we are intending. So I know that Missy Hill has her hand up. Would you like to would council like to hear from Missy?

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Thank you, and good afternoon, mayor Barber and council members. I've prepared a little statement. I know I only have three minutes as have the other three

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two. Excuse

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me. Oh, only two? Let me go. Hit it. So, Alan Anderson founded the Gig Harbor Canoe Kayak Club in 2002, and for more than two decades has been a driving force behind the growth of canoe and sprint kayaking in Gig Harbor and beyond.

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His impact is both deeply local and nationally significant. At the community level, Allen has shaped the lives of hundreds of youth and other folks. Through his leadership, youth learned discipline, confidence, teamwork, and respect for our waterways. Many of these athletes went on to compete at the highest levels of the sport, including national teams and Olympic development programs. Just as important, many went on to become mentors, coaches, and engaged community members themselves.

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Alan's reach extends across generations. He has created a program that welcomes not only youth, but families, older adults, and volunteers, connecting people of all ages through through shared purpose, physical activity, service. His his work has strengthened community bonds and helped make Gig Harbor a place known for excellence in paddling and youth development. Beyond our city, Alan's influence is felt nationally and internationally. Athletes trained through his programs have competed on world stages, bringing recognition to Gig Harbor while helping elevate the sport of canoe and sprint kayaking in The United States.

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His leadership and mentorship have contributed to the sport's growth, credibility, and accessibility. Naming the boat storage building at Ansich Park in Allen Anderson's honor recognizes more than athletic success. It recognizes decades of volunteer leadership, mentorship, and community building. It ensures future generations understand the legacy behind the program and the individual whose vision made it possible. Thank you for considering this resolution and for your continued support of parks, recreation, and the people who make our communities stronger. If you have any questions, I'm glad to answer them.

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Thank you. And I guess I should have asked if you had clarifying questions before we went to public comment.

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Oh, no.

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But that's okay. No. If council did. Sorry. Okay. So I will we'll now, move to public comment, and I will call on Ali coach Ali.

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Hi. Can you guys hear me okay?

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Yes. And you do have two minutes if possible. You said two minutes? Yeah. It's three at the council.

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Gotcha. I will try to make this fast then. I wrote it up. Thank you, city council, for allowing the time for me and the other public commenters to share about this facility located at Ansich Park getting named. Thank you for your leadership of the city and for your support your strong support of our paddling team.

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I believe the naming of this facility should be named after an individual worthy to have recognition who has invested their life into this community, has united our community of fishermen, city officials, and business owners together, and has brought honor to the city. And I can think of such an individual. Almost twenty five years ago, a man had an idea just as small as throwing a snowball off of a mountain that I think now has started something that could be an avalanche. Early on in his life, hindered many challenges. I won't list all of them for the sake of time, but it it it began a journey that did not stop with himself.

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He saw that the next challenge was to instill and teach the next generations that only patient perseverance and its pain can. So he started our city's Gig Harbor Canoe and Kayak Racing Team. What initially was intended to be an adventure club quickly turned into a ragtag team of kids who committed hundreds of hours in every weather that our lovely state blesses us with on our own waters. Simply put, they train their minds and bodies to welcome discomfort. I could go on about the accolades this team has collected over the past decades in our sport locally, nationally, and internationally, But what I know is much more impactful is the character of these athletes when they finish their time with us.

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These children leave our team as strong men and women to influence their next communities with the same qualities that Allen Anderson instilled in all of us from the beginning. To embrace the struggle, knowing it sharpens us to truly discover what we are made of, who we are designed to be. When we become strong enough people to see past ourselves, we can better notice others and benefit those around us with our trained work ethic and choices in life. The world is better for it. So this snowball thrown has cascaded into what I think could be an avalanche of what?

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Oh, an avalanche of legacy. Naming this facility after that great man, Alan Anderson, is a simple act of appreciation that would highlight the team's developed relationship and shared values with the city, the business owners, and the fishermen by being named within this historic park, and it shows what good teamwork can bring together to benefit the community as a whole. So when people from all over the world come to Ansich Park and they see the boathouse named after Alan, they could see a community that supports his legacy. And just maybe they might even be inspired themselves to not follow today's culture of seeking comfort, but join in saying a common Alan phrase, welcome pain, let's party. So I could not be imagine a more deserving figure to name this facility after.

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Thank you for your time and your attention.

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Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to offer public comment at this time? I will move to Oh, perfect. Scott Pocket? Yeah.

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I see how do I my camera. Does that matter? Do I need to turn my camera on?

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It doesn't matter. No.

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You're fine.

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Okay. Yeah. I don't my name is Scott Puckett. I don't have a nice little speech like the rest of my awesome coaches, but, I just wanted to speak to Alan as twenty five years ago, I was Alan's original paddler on the team. He, came to me with a crazy idea of starting a club that has just altered the trajectory of my life along with hundreds of other kids and their families.

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He's created an opportunity for, the youth to enjoy the, body of water that we all surround, the harbor, that has only been, like, touchable by people with boats and sailboats. And through this program, he has created a community of, like, youngsters that actually get to enjoy this beautiful, body of water that we live on. Twenty five years ago, we were operating out of a little, closet over by, what was that? Jerisich. And twenty five years ago, he told me that he was gonna get us a boathouse.

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And it took him a long time, but he pushed and pushed and pushed. And, eventually, we now have this wonderful, boathouse, and it would be amazing for me to be able to rep like, to honor him with the fact that that was a that long, hard fight, like, came to fruition. And then for I now find myself in his position as a coach for this team, and it's would be so great for me to be able to look at that sign, be able to talk to the athletes about his, his past and his history, and to be able to motivate our upcoming generation of paddlers with the story that was Allen Anderson. And that's all I have.

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Thank you. If there is no one else who wishes to make public comment at this time, we will move to council deliberation or council direction. Council member Coronado. Yeah.

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Thank you. And thank you for the commenters today. I what a great honor this is to even come across us, fully supportive of this. But, also, I would hope that, maybe we could consider adding, coach to the name on the building and or changing the storage building to house. I heard them refer to it as boathouse three or four times instead of storage building.

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Those would be kind of my two considerations I would offer to the council. But, yeah, I I'm truly honored that this is before us, and I know how much he's done for the youth and and the athletes in our community and and the impact is made on the global paddling, you know, world. And so, yeah, honored to have this before us.

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It's it's our intention thank you. It's our intention to to have it be the Allan Anderson Boat Storage Building. Sorry. So we could add coach to that, I think. Councilmember Brudenberg. And then

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I think before we add coach too, we should probably ask. I've seen some others with what they think about that. I'm feel pretty familiar with that one for it. Yeah. I feel like I'm gonna support it. And what census of the rest of the council, I see that we move it to a full council meeting.

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How's better at Kirk?

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I don't know how much we wanna get into the the naming. I like boathouse rather than boat storied building. I'll just put that there personally. But take that, and we've got a more important point that that I definitely support this measure. When I was a kid, people did not access the harbor that way. We we just we didn't go out there and to see kids every day, every weather out there on the harbor. It's just a great thing, so I support this.

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I support boathouse as well, storage.

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I'll come over to.

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So, yeah, I'm I'm I'm behind it. I also like the idea of boathouse. The the other thing I was wondering about was just an idea where you know, I'm assuming that, you it's gonna be a fairly large sign, you know, or whatever. But maybe if there was a whack down at touch level for, you know, more, like, folks that have a hard time reading or something, you so that they could maybe even or both, you know, so they can get a little just a I'm I'm sure you will see the other ones where they just a little blurb about the coach and stuff

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like that. So, you know,

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maybe a a client type kind of thing. I don't know.

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I think that's part of what we've been discussing

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too. More of what we have

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at Doris Heritage about Right. About her.

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Councilman Rolland.

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I would also have to agree

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with the naming of it as boathouse over of storage building. I think that sounds more accurate to what the intended use of this building is, and I would also agree with council member Tessa Chaney about having a plaque telling a story of Alan. Great.

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So is it councilmember Barton?

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Yeah. So I'm fully supportive naming this under Alan Anderson. He's not really contributed a significant amount to this community related to the the children. The one thing I would say for future things is we still, I don't think, have a naming convention process, if you will. Just not to hold anything up here, but it's something I think that we probably should look into. I know we talked about it a few years ago. And so we all understand, we're a public vendor, how we go about making decisions. So that's a future agenda item, but I'd always support this. Thank you.

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So is it is it o I'm getting, obviously, consensus from all of you. Is it okay if we circle back with the team and Missy to come up with the final variation of how this would be when it comes to you for final resolution? Thank you. Okay. Perfect. Thank you, council. The second item on the agenda is, the YMCA sports complex phase one services agreement. And, again, I'm turning it over to Jennifer Harrow. Probably, I think, believe supported by Jeff Lime Health.

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And Jesse Palmer from the YMCA, I see that he's online. Yep. You know? So but for for this agenda item, we're looking for direction from council on a draft services agreement before we bring it to a regular city council meeting. And this is governing how phase one a and b will work together when the Sports Complex fields open.

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I wanna give a little brief history of the sports complex for those of you who are newer or aren't familiar with the history. Jeff, I think, has a a map of the sports Complex master plan. But the property was Timberland, as those of you who have been around a long time know, until 1997 when it was annexed into the city. And there's this sports complex map up up on the screen. But in '20 then it was zoned for a business park and actually had a proposal for a mini storage facility on it.

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In 2010, there was development agreement executed with Olympic Property Group, who's a developer of Gate Harbor North associated with Pope Resources. They gave the city the phase three property, which is south of the YMCA. This map is a little North is is left rather than up in this map. So, yeah, just past the YMCA. There's the roundabout is right next to that now at the top of Harbor Hill.

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But so that's the property we were given as part of the development agreement. So in 2013, a visioning process began for that park, and light lighted turf fields were the number one priority identified in that process. In 2017, the city purchased the phase one properties, so one a and one b, which are north of the YMCA. And that's phase one b is what is now Doris Heritage Park. In 2018, this master plan that's on screen was approved after a lengthy public process.

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In 2021, the lease was executed with the YMCA for phase one a for them to build the two turf fields. Fundraising began and the 1b, aka Norris Heritage Park design process started. In 2023, phase two and three feasibility study was conducted with approved field configurations that are not currently funded or signed yet. And in 2024, construction on phase one, began to open in 2025. Many of you were there with the ribbon cutting.

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And then in March 2025, we amended this lease, 32 pages, with the YMCA for phase 1a, which accounts for city funding that we contributed, a timeline change, and some other minor edits. The lease with the YMCA is going to be in effect for thirty five years with the possibility of three twenty year extensions. It addresses funding, ownership of improvements, liability, and many other topics that the lawyers contribute to from both sides. The city owns the land and will own the parking lots and landscaping areas, and the y owns the fields. The y is responsible for maintaining the site and paying associated costs.

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The lease also addresses donations and community benefit. The lease states that a services agreement must be completed before the fields are open to use. And last time I talked with the YMCA, they were on track for February, late February. Not sure we know how that those deadlines tend to slip a little, especially in winter. The winter.

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So the services agreement that is before you for consideration has it will it has the same term as the lease, so we'll run concurrently with that. It specifies that the YMCA pays for utilities. It defines that the hours that the fields could be rented and available for use. It talks about staffing of a field coordinator, and it talks about janitorial duties for each party. We are sharing the concession stand and restroom building at Doris Heritage Park, but we know that a lot of the use of the fields will be weekends and evenings where we do not have staff on duty.

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So we've to beat that up a bit in the services agreement. And a little bit of details about that, the YMCA will respond to complaints on weekday evenings when they're open and do checks for supplies and cleanliness on weekends in the off season when we don't have summer help working the parks. On high use weekends and holidays, the Y will do regular checks and restock and clean the buildings as necessary. The YMCA will have an option to let organizations run the concession stand in the building. So this agreement specifies kind of rules and establishes that arrangement.

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The YMCA will be responsible for scheduling of the fields, but will set aside at least one half of a field for three hours per week outside of working hours, like, with office people are at work for public drop in use. And then when it is not scheduled for soccer practice or whatever, it will be available for drop ins. It also establishes that the Y will have a capital reserve fund that will be used for field maintenance and turf replacement when necessary over the course of the weeks. The city and the Y will meet quarterly at first to determine if any changes are needed as we kind of work out this working relationship, see if any tweaks are needed. And as a result of that, we are requesting the addition of a section into the final agreement that this is so it's not in your draft that allows administrative changes if both parties agree that the changes do not increase cost to the city, and it wouldn't violate any lease provisions.

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So those are the highlights, and I'm happy to answer any questions. And Jesse Palmer from the YMCA is online to answer questions or address any concerns from their end.

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Can you clarify, council member Rosenberg?

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To you just the last thing you said was about amending this after a period of time. Yes. It wasn't in here. I read it.

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Correct. I have some sample wording that I'd like if if you'd like to hear it, that our attorney has signed off.

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I'd like to see it as a mandatory review in a year. Well, I don't think we've ever done anything like this to this extent with another entity. So I think there's a lot of things that might have to be tweaked. Hopefully not. But if it's mandatory, everybody knows it's coming. We can keep notes as the year progresses. And, but it I think it should actually have a date in the service agreement or when we move out

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In my opinion.

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When they sign one every year or

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for the first year? Absolutely. The first year

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because they said we've never done it.

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Do we sorry. Question. Do we have a similar agreement for

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the Pennellite Fields in Little League? Do they is that right?

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We do not have a similar agreement because we don't lease that to anybody. We operate that ourselves, and then Gig Harbor literally essentially is a user of that facility. Yeah. It it there's there's not this type of

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they don't operate it on behalf of us. Right. So I would think that the review in a in a year's time, that we're gonna see things in that year that we may not may not need to see. So in that review, it should in my opinion, should be the option of of them making the review every two years or something like that. But I'd like to see it in writing that it's amendable.

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Yeah. That that is part of what we're proposing. It does have, at least in relation to janitorial services, that the city and the wife shall meet quarterly for the the first two years to discuss any, you know, in the season

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season so much other stuff in the service agreement.

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There is. And would would you like counsel to be involved in that, or do you

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Not necessarily.

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Staff? Okay.

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Trust the staffing.

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Yeah. Is that as a provision? I have language, if you'd like to hear it, that will allow the city administrator or designee to make make changes as necessary as long as they don't cost money for this increased cost to the city or violate the lease.

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I'm sure what you've written is fine, but if we don't see it till the night of a council meeting, then there's gonna be questions. So if there's some way you may send that out to us for the council meeting, and then we can get back with questions so we don't have to go in the in the meeting. The proposal that Jennifer's making is that that language would be

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provided as part of the package that's going to counsel for the council meeting on January So we have

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an opportunity to ask for two dates. Yes.

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fine. Yes. Council member Rodenburg, with your proposal, is is that that you said that the staff from YMCA and city would connect and discuss through, and then we would report to council. Is that your Yes. Okay. So if there would be that reporting mechanism that we've gone through the annual review, this is what was discussed, and these are the administrative changes that we're making. That's my suggestion.

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Okay. Okay. Councilmember Tessichini.

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Yeah. I was just wanting to confirm. I had a couple of questions on the you know, they're just potential tweaks on the the agreement, and they can relieve it. You know, I just right off the bat, you know, I, you know, I read the beginning where it's, you know, it's pretty soon legal and all that kind of stuff. So, like, you know, it was all that kind of stuff too. I think it's really well constructed. So so there's, like, about five kind of thoughts. Yeah. The I was wondering about

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If they're in the agreement, can you give us a page number as you

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No. I've I've pulled everything up, but I think it's under two dot under three .six. K. The I was just thinking maybe it's just super minor. You know, it's sort of written approval. It seemed would that just be just leaving it that way, or would it be good to put in, like, via any form of written approval? Would that include email, that kind of texting, or if you strictly formal, you know, type of documentation. That was one thing that I would do. I was wondering about. So then under so the other thing too I was wondering about, like, in the background section, there's a mention of public coordination.

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There's that phrase in the background section at the very beginning about this, so to speak, of the service agreement. And and there's no other mention of it anywhere. It just and so I don't know whether that was just basically referencing the the previous one or whether there was a desire to include that somewhere in the in the new one. So or get the email. So that's, again, just a question. Yeah. The maybe maybe there would be, like, a search section there.

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Can you? I'm sorry, council member. We're not following where you're referencing.

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Oh, that was the public coordination piece was at the very beginning of the what was sent out to all of us at the very beginning, it talked about the background.

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Oh. Staff. Oh, with the staff level. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

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And so and it just mentioned public coordination. Now if it's if it's just superfluous, then I don't yeah. No problem. But I was just wondering whether there was a need to have that. If was that supposed to be included later on in the updated no. That's the one thing. So and if if it is supposed to be included, would it be something like, you know, communication channels or, you know, something like that? I don't know. So

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we It it did mention in there yeah. Mean, we were public coordination wasn't the best phrase, but it encourages the YMCA to coordinate with other public agencies such as the school district and Pennant Parks for field space.

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Okay. So that was okay.

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That yeah. So I think that's probably what that was referring to.

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And so, again, do you think there's any need for a dispute resolution chunk in the service agreement, or is that kind

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of implied somewhere? A robust one in the in the lease.

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Okay. So that's if it's, you know, if it's somewhere, then, you know, you know, it's cool. The other thing I was wondering about was yeah. I mean, that that was it. Unless you wanted to add maybe, like, a cross reference in regards to the insurance requirements between, you know, the YMCA shall maintain all insurance required in the lease section and blah blah blah blah. But I don't again, since it went through legal, I don't know. Mean, around with it.

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There's also insurance requirements in the lease. So that covers it all. So we're yeah. This this is more focused on just how it's gonna be operated. K?

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That's it. That's that's the only questions I have. So

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Alright. Council member Aman. I had a

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couple questions. One's in regards to the replacement of the turf of these fields. Mhmm. Do we know how this turf is being disposed of? And do we have a because I wanna make sure that when this turf is disposed of, that it is properly disposed of. There have been instances in past with other cities where it's properly disposed of and it contaminates water within many different communities. So I wanna make sure that we have knowledge of that. So can so our fields don't end up in someone else's water system.

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That is a responsibility of the YMCA and the lease. Okay. I mean, to to as part of their operation of it. It's not under the facilities maintenance agreement.

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Okay. Well, that that's just something I would like to know just in terms of maintenance of these fields, and this agreement is to ensure that any of this plastic in these fields is being properly disposed of.

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We'll reach out to Jesse who's on YMCA and how they dispose of their Jesse,

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would you like to respond to that, please? No.

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I yeah. I'll have to ask our turf installer what the process is for that.

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If you could do that and, let Jennifer know, that would be great. Thank you. Council member Eckberg, I believe you were next. Thank you.

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For your presentation from the city side, was

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just wondering if mister Palmer had comments from

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the YMCA side of the agreement.

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No. I I think we have a services agreement that's in alignment with what we put in the lease agreement. And, yeah, we're excited to get these fields done and open for the community.

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Yeah. Yeah. We are too. Council member Coronado.

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Yeah. I was hoping to maybe have a little more explanation to five point one point four regarding donations provided to the YMCA or the city for support of the maintenance and replacement fields must be placed in the capital reserve fund. So does that mean the y gets donations for this field and then they have to forward it to us to put in our our capital reserve fund?

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The capital reserve fund is maintained by the y. I see. And so they need to take the revenues from fields and that all that, pay their staff person that will be running the fields, and then bank as much as possible for replacements and repairs down the road.

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K. Thank you. Thank you. Any other

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I have no

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Oh, Jeff?

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Earlier, I said that I thought this was coming before council at January 26. Council meeting, it's actually February 9. I apologize.

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And I we actually have a couple also,

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we'll take more I have

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more questions. But we have these photos are from Tuesday. So Michael Perot flew his drone over there. So it shows how and I have

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a goalpost for the wall.

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I wouldn't so cool. Maybe Jesse has an update if it's done or but it's certainly looking more like fields every day.

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But animal pickleball courts were packed last night when I left Costco at ODR thirty. So that was good

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to see that they're being used as well. I was at the Y this earlier this week, and it was so cool to look out and see those goalposts. They just stand out in the from the parking lot.

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People don't search for were also can be used in

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the rain when I went by there. Mhmm.

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So they wanted this fourth.

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We're at six this morning when I was sick. I

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like seeing the teenagers out there at night.

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Yeah. That's that's true. Okay. One more.

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Okay. Two point seven point five regarding the sale of prepackaged foods and beverages. Mhmm. That's the only thing that'll be allowed, so no bananas, no apples,

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no Well,

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that isn't the intent to ban apples or things like that. It was basically no cooking and what the health district would describe as cooking. But something peeled. I don't know if you can count. It's natural packaging. Natural packaging wraps. Yeah. Comes wrapped. But the intent is to not ban those type of things. But if there's any sort of like, we don't wanna have, like, frying french fries or baking a pizza or something like that.

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It will be there yeah. Whatever is easy. It doesn't require a food to handle or to permit. They have a hot water dispenser, a microwave if they wanna do a popcorn thinner or something like that. But but, yeah, very minimal.

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So the plans not to have them have

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a food handler's license? Well, there's certain they don't they shouldn't need it if it's repackaged. I see. So if they're handling food or mixing it together, I'm

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not exactly sure what what qualifies for that. But Right.

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If you're handing over a bag of chips or a banana, you don't need a food handler's license.

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Yep. So would we need clarifying language for that then in the agreement to make sure that that doesn't become an issue? Because, obviously, we want Fresh Fruit to be accessible for youth planning in these areas.

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Yeah. I can reword two point seven point five. Mhmm. Modify that to allow fresh fruit, but we don't want them to deal with cut fruit because that can create, like, a germ surface and stuff.

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Yeah. So

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fruit. Fresh little fruit.

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Here's a watermelon.

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That's. I believe you've had your hand up.

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Yeah. This is not necessarily pertaining to the service agreement, but I'm curious if we're gonna allow food trucks in the parking lot during can go good way to get a special food where they have to have a

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special event. There's a food truck permit in our code currently that anyone can apply for at any time to have a food truck there.

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And I will say in this image here, you can see the hashed section parallel parking against Doris Heritage Park. In the conceptual planning of Doris Heritage Park, that area was considered an area for food trucks too, not Graves Park.

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Cool. And as part of phase two code development, Eric and his team are listening through, like, holistically through the code, and they're talking about some changes for the food truck permit to make it more accessible and easier to obtain a permit for that. I think we'll get language for two point seven point five regarding fruits so that we can have that. And then Jesse will get back on the disposal of the turf so that we can have that Mhmm. In the agreement and known for counsel as well prior to adopting this agreement.

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I know. The electrical we

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can pull charging stations. So the charge again. Will own the charging stations and run

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That's what I'm saying.

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But it's on our part of the property. So there's our separate Well, it's it's on the phase one a portion of

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the property.

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Okay. But the parking lot portion of it. Correct.

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It'll be on the parking lot, but the real dirt's up there.

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Yeah. It gets to the north.

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We did do some negotiating

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Gotcha.

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On this this point. And, actually, from when Doris Heritage Park was written or was permanent to when phase one a was permanent, it became a requirement to add them. So they do have to add them per state energy code. Gotcha. And we have conduit and endorsed her her future, but don't have at this time. So

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to that point, technology changes quicker than we can eat everything up. So what we think is a great EV charger now, four or five years from now, maybe even obsolete. So we may be required to why be required to keep up with current technology, or how are we going to address that compared with now I have something that's there. It's not being used because of the change in technology.

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There's nothing in the lease or the service agreement that says that they need to keep up technology. What I will say is that the charging standards, I believe, are federally regulated for level one, level level two, level three charging stations, and the ports are common. But if if that changes, we will all be the. We all use the same infrastructure, but there's nothing in those.

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I was just gonna leave it. It just might be something not right now. Don't pull the deck. But something for us to consider when we're looking at technology like that so we're not I've seen too many times when you have something that's sitting there, it's not being used, if it's sterile, you know,

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if nothing else, maybe it's

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if it's no longer needed, it gets removed or something. Yeah. Just so we keep things looking nice. A lot of hard work has gone in by both groups. And

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is it spelled out which type of EV charger they're supposed to install?

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It is not. We debated that. And if they wanted to match ours and use our Yes. The ChargePoint vendor, and they opted to do their own. And so they've maintained them at their own expense, but charge rates that are similar to ours or equivalent. Gotcha.

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Thank you. I'm on. Okay.

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You can tell August. Move forward. Yes. Alright. Thank you for all the explanation.

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Are there any other clarifying questions? This isn't clarifying for this field, but in the next year or two, we can watch that if you're not already doing it. It's just the traffic going through there with the school and the why and the additional uses of people recreating there, maybe working with the chief just to look at the traffic flows, any increased incidences of, you know, fender benders or near misses with people or things like that. That was one concern I heard by quite a few people who live in the area just that they're excited that it's there, but is 30 miles an hour going to be the proper speed? And I said, you know, we don't know what we don't know yet, but I'm sure there must be a process for us to determine what flight.

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Yes. There is a whole process we go through to that the city engineer uses to establish speed limits, and we also do routine, almost annually, traffic counts. And we will continue to with those traffic counts and speed studies.

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We've also recently asked our JS coordinator to start mapping out all collisions annually. So we have that for 2025 that we will start preparing to send to sample, and then we can compare zoom in and compare certain areas and ascertain through, you know, development if there's more of an issue there. And that's part of our wanting to look more at kind of the data that's going on and being able to adjust as necessary.

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just want to add to what council member Martin was saying in regards to traffic on this road and just I have concerns about kids from the Swiftwater Elementary crossing the road in that area. I work out at the y, and so I know from experience a lot not a lot of people go slow on that road. And if there are ways that the city is looking at at just slowing down traffic on the road outside of, like, traffic cameras or anything like that.

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If you're talking about the whole corridor, the Harbor Hill Drive corridor, no. We have not established any traffic calling measures for that corridor or installing. We're not recommending traffic cameras, like speed like, ticket cameras?

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No. I'm talking about, like, the speed signal ones that we have going down, sort of, like, some of our hills now.

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Yeah. The ones that reply and respond to identify the speed of the vehicle. There are we do have this is a temporary location that the police department placed those speed response or signs. So I would ask that you talk to the police chief if you want them and more than just where they're already low being located along Harbor Hill Drive corridor. It's a school zone. Right? That entire park is in the school zone. It's lighted. It's a school zone. So it's 20 miles an hour during school hours.

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We we it's such a good question, and it's something that I think is being talked about in a lot of governmental circles is speeding with you know, we all have 800 places to be and gotta get there right now, especially with distracted driving and all of those items. So we can look at, you know, enforcement. We will be I don't have to wait to knock on right now, but at 26 commissioned officers later this month. So we will have officers able to be dedicated to speed patrols very soon. Jeff, we do have an RFP that was put there, the electronic crossing, so that theoretically should slow people down when they see those things.

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Mhmm. Other cities are looking at kind of public facing campaigns to try to appeal to people to be more cognizant when they're behind the wheel because it really is a a personal either choice or decision of how fast or how slow that you drive. I have mentioned that to Lori, our communications manager, and it's something that we're kind of talking about. Some cities have seen success with, like, a drive like you live here or something like that campaign.

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Drive drive like your kids.

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You know?

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So that's something, like, that we haven't really brought to council yet, but it's an idea that we've had just knowing the complaints that we're getting are much more than they were ten years ago about speeding on many different roads in the city, it also needs to be a concern.

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Council member. I

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would add to the, you know, the joy here that it's not just, like, they're crossing that street with where the where the elementary school is. It goes you know, like, when they're ex you know, when they're done, right, you got this flood of kids and parents and whatnot and crossing guard and everything there. But that flood of humanity moves all the way up to the roundabout, and that roundabout gets you know, I I'd be nervous dealing with that. I mean, even though the lights come on and all that kind of stuff, it's just I don't know. It's just I'm just throwing that out of there. You know? I know we're getting off topic. Yeah. We're getting way off topic.

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Tons of over Rosenberg.

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Focused enforcement works well like on Soundview, place where all the locals are. We have to remember that that's a regional recreational place. There's gonna be people coming in from out of town even if it's an adjacent town, and they won't remember that it's been focused. They won't remember that it's a highly tainted area and and should be. Something else we might think about is some further education in Swiftwater School to the children about safe walking. That's right. It's not yeah. There's not a lot we can do about drivers. They're gonna be stupid, but I know that

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we're kind of

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blessed in this area that we don't have a lot of traffic, a lot of speeders, that kind of thing. But kids raised in areas that aren't like that, Southern California, you learn quickly how to walk across the street. So I think that maybe some added education at the schools might be helpful as well.

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Good idea. Mhmm. Better.

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I would just like to agree with council member council member on that. Just I got self grown up here. I did not don't always use a crosswalk. You kinda just cross wherever you feel like there is a break in traffic, whether there's a crosswalk there or not. And so that is a thing to consider, especially when you look at where the school is placed in where the crosswalk is, that kids aren't always going to be using the crosswalk there.

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I'll talk to the chief about it. I think it'd be a good opportunity to have the police, you know, interface with the school kids as well and remind them, hey. Not every school has this awesome facility right across the street from it. Let's have an annual update about how to be safe.

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Could be a fun program. Mhmm. Great. Any other questions on this? So I would ask if there's public comment. Yes. If you could join us at the table.

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All the people who first spoke.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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My can we put that picture back up for me? Yeah. Please. If I have one on this one? Yes. My name is Tom. I love Blue Devil Court. My house is on the bottom of that picture. So I'm over to the I'm over to the left is where I live.

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More comments to make. Maybe five.

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First one was you mentioned the word that the YMCA is is responsible for maintenance of the site. Is there a definition of site? Because of this guy.

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I've worked contracts, multitude

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of years. And when using a unique generalized word, both parties don't always know what that word means. So that so it could be all of blue, all of yellow, or it could be a portion of blue, a portion of gold. So long as it's well defined, it's gonna be a very efficient conversation.

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All of the blue on that. Okay.

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And all and the yellow as well?

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No. That is ours.

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Okay. So just the blue. Okay. Mhmm.

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Does UCRI UCRI was right off

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of it? Yeah.

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Okay. Second one, I walk through this area every morning, met my dogs. And I will tell you right now that the, park the Heritage Park area is starting to show signs of wear, in means of trash. Seems like our folks have found that it's a great place to be after hours, it's not it's not uncommon for me to buy beer cans, McDonald's burger wrappers, etcetera, etcetera. So concern I have is is the degrade of the area by the general public and, again, back to maintenance, keeping the place tidy.

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That's that's where I was gonna try to come to. Because this is a showcase, as you point out, and you want the place to look great, especially during tournament play or any type of regional people coming in. You don't want them to be tripping over junk. So that's it. Third item would be the segment of Greenbelt between the sports park and Harborview Road where the see this phase one, Miami State project arrow kinda pointing down to it?

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If you've driven by that area, it is trashed out with I mean, I won't say junk, vegetational junk. It sure would be nice if the YMCA could clean that up, make it look like a nice strip of grassland along that area. The the the blackberries, I don't care about, but there's fallen logs in there. There is big rocks in there. It looks junky. Is there a there is an issue there? Have that. And then the fourth item I brought up with the Jesse prom prommer. I'm assuming these sports new sports fields also are accommodating, soccer.

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Well, hate to tell you that there's none very little definition at this point in time that there's soccer fields there. The lines are not there yet. So knowing I've known what, soccer fields look like, will overlay on top of football fields, And they normally are the lot the the end zone line, the penalty area is usually in the 10 to 15 yard range of a soccer field.

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They're not there. They're not there. I mean, there's a lot of lines that it's not Well, according

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to what the gentleman told me, every line of that field was supposed to be permanently made into their carpet in the turf, not to be painted on at a later date. So just a comment.

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They may be there.

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Again, this is still pretty early. As you saw, he only got half the field really filled, And as soon as they show up later, was like, okay. So I just I think and lastly, your conversation, any type of tournament play, any type of regional play, Silverwater Parking lot is going to be a used place. Are not gonna fight with the the 100 plus parking spots on that little section to the left. The YMCA is not gonna be happy to have their parking lot being used as well.

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So you're right. There's been a lot of people walking from Silkwater across that street, as you point out, to get themselves into the the plain area. And once they cross the field, they gotta go right or left into the parking lot or into the Heritage Park to get into the field. There is no access directly into the field. So that's all I have.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. Is there anybody else online who would like to make public comment on this agenda item? Alright. Seeing none, does council have other items that they wish to address with staff on this item? I think we had a pretty good discussion. Exciting. I know. I'm sorry.

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We can kinda see the finish line. Right? Yeah.

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I was just gonna say, let's ask the people who grew up here playing soccer.

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I'm just hoping my kids get to play it. Yeah.

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Yeah. Jesse, do you know off the top of your head when the estimated completion date is? Yeah.

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We're looking at beginning to mid March. Contractor is not being specific just because the weather, the turf installation is weather dependent. So we're we're looking at the March.

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Can't wait. Yeah. So this

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is exciting that this is gonna be completed in 2026. Some of you were not here yet when I mentioned, please check your email for an update from director Langholm on a commercial fishing home port, but we'll also have a commercial fishing home port in 2026. So I think it's gonna be a it's been a couple years where we've been doing a lot behind the scenes, doing a lot of work, and I think this year is going to really show the community the hard work that we've all been doing together. So thank you for your partnership and support. Jeff, I'm sure that you've been in contact

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with the commercial fishermen group to. Right.

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Rather than the same email. Rather than

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Happy, I would imagine.

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I would imagine having her during

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Not hearing back is good.

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Yeah. Right.

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Right. Look forward to hearing all from what we're going to focus on next from all of you once we deliver all of these things.

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Alright. Well, thank you guys very much. That is the end of the agenda. Again, I appreciate your flexibility, and I'm giving you back an hour of your day.

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You're adjourned.

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I need to entertain I need to entertain a motion to adjourn, please.

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I move that we

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adjourn. Second.

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All in favor. Aye. Meeting adjourned.

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