City Council - Special Meeting

If you would join me, we have a moment of silence. Thank you. If you would join me to pledge.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,

with liberty and justice to all. Thank you. You may be seated. We are here today for this special meeting, special city council meeting here at the Georgetown Municipal Water Service Administration building for Tuesday, July the 21st, 2026, and at 6 p.m., 5 p.m. Central Time. And we will go as ordered on the agenda First is to record an order. Next is Madam Clerk roll call.

Ms. Wilkins-Frentz? Here. Mr. Prith?

Here.

Ms. Hamrick? Present. Mr. Hampton? Here. Mr. Mankey? Present. Ms. Leslie Mitchell? Here. Ms. Tangle-Sands? Here. Mr. Stone? Here.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Item number three on the agenda, approval of minutes from July the 13th, 2026, city council meeting. At this time, council would entertain a motion to accept the minutes as written.

Motion made.

Motion made by Ms. Mitchell. Do I have a second?

Second.

Second made by Ms. Hambrick. Are there further questions and or comments? All those in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Aye. Those opposed say nay. Thank you. Item number four is public comments. And at this time, you will have four minutes. Madam Clerk will time you at three-minute mark. She will let you know that, and then you will have one minute to finish up, and then we'll ask you that you will kindly take the seat. I don't know if there's anything on there that somebody... It's over here. It's over there. Okay, there's nobody signed up. Nobody signed up. You might want to show sign up to speak. Yeah, I'll sign. If you will sign up, please.

And then. Okay. I was at the interlocal meeting and I thought it was there. Oh, okay.

Well, it's here. All right. So if you want to sign up there. Thank you. If anyone wants to sign up, you want to speak. If not, we'll go by the list. There's two of them. Thank you. We'll go over here, Dan Holman.

I had to display that in this capacity. So give me a second. So yeah, this report that was given is mentioned about line border. So I just thought for visual aid, This here's some live mortar to pass around. Because I just hear you. So my kind of might just be showing this. I was actually going to give you each little packet of your own. So yeah, it did. As the. I hope that's still working. So that may have eaten into my time, and that's fine. Yeah, hopefully this, so Dan Hole in Georgetown, and so hopefully this, so this report, I guess, is what you all are discussing tonight, which was an interesting report, and it identifies this cabin as, though not local to Georgetown, as being 100, you know, possibly 175 years old, which is still a significant historical structure. And generally, it sounded like it's in good shape. HAB-Masyn Moyer- Overall, there's several logs like the roads in good shape the rafters were in decent shape. It sounds, it sounds sound people looking at the support. There are several logs that I have areas right but hopefully they can be HAB-Masyn Moyer- Hopefully that can be addressed. So, you know, the city of Georgetown, you know, we call it historic Georgetown should be able to handle and restoring old Kevin HAB-Masyn Moyer- So yeah, so like some of the logs that were up to 16 to 20 inches wide. which is very wide. Maybe they could be restored. You know, there's ways to restore logs. You can just get some cedar logs or maybe splice logs together. So I don't think there's anything in here that seemed preventative to actually putting it back together. So I've passed through, this summer we passed through Sailorsville, Kentucky, which is just a small eastern Kentucky town, but like right in your downtown, they have a significant cabin display area where apparently just people in the local area had cabins several years ago, just had cabins in their barns and backyards and things laying around. And they started donating them to the city. And the city put them together and made that a significant portion of their downtown. So you've got to look up Sailorsville, Kentucky. So Sailorsville can have a significant cabin display right in their downtown than the city of Georgetown, which has much larger budgets to be able to do it. And this frankly doesn't, you know, back in the day, people with like third grade educations back in the 1850s and just basic hand tool, built these cabinets. This is not like rocket science or it doesn't require huge budgets. It can be done. It's just kind of, it's a craft and it's kind of a lost, it's just a lost craft, but there are people who can do it. So just a suggestion about how to restore it. You'll have a master, you'll have a craftsman, you'll have your dance captains overseeing the project and perhaps put together some kind of a Habitat for Humanity group of volunteers that can help with some of the elbow grease and stuff. So yeah, just about the lime mortar. I did agree with the report. That is something that since the last 100 more years, we just lost lime mortar, which is like the most prolific building material in the history of the world. But Portland cement is just faster to do. Like the post-World War II boom, it just required fast things. And Portland cement just took over the world. But it's just not breathable. So it's not like the comments we hear about feasibility. So if this cabin is restored, that would be a good idea to replace that, more of that, that type of chinking with some other kind of chinking, such as lime. And then what are their thoughts? Yeah, so mainly this cabin may be, like, as was mentioned in the report, it's an educational artifact. So that's its purpose. It's not historic to this town. And it could be put back together eclectically. It doesn't necessarily have to be one specific period. It could be like 1850. Elements from 1850 to 1900 could be in the cabin as an option. So I guess the two options to consider, throw the cabin away, which hopefully the historic city of Georgetown won't do that, or pick it up and move it. somehow and hope it holds together, but then still restored at some point, or take it apart piece by piece and label the pieces. And it's almost like you all probably have the budget to do that. There's a $10,000 budget already. And so how much of that $10 budget could be used to take it apart and label the pieces and then put it back together at, hopefully don't forget about it. Thank you. All right. Ms. Donna, Christopher.

I ain't got no whole lot to say. I'm just going to say that as far as the cabinet, I don't know what you're going to do with what I know. Me and Mr. Charles Hicks, 37 years ago, 92, 93, somewhat responsible for it coming down there at the time when it was. Charles Hicks was a paramedic down there at Long Cabin, down there at Sprady. So it was part of with it or what your plans are. But I just know that the history of Boston is a great, is a rich history and it's not being displayed. We have nowhere to put it. The museum don't want to have it. They don't want to accept it. The library don't want to accept it. We're just a document park or whatever. And it's a great thing to say that our history, I'm not a historian and I'm not trying to tell you the history, but if I was to tell you, we celebrate If I told you Boston was older than Georgetown, you wouldn't believe me, right? But if I told you Boston is older than Houston and still stands today, that's a rich history right there. And it needs to be explained. And I figured that some kind of way, cultural, some, we talk about center and what, some type of way that we need to bring this history to Florence. Like, you know, I was just at the park yesterday and I've been putting in my work over there. for the kids and the elderly. So, you know, this is just my contribution on what I'm giving back to make my neighborhood grow. As I see, the neighborhood is back to, I guess you'd say, homeless camp right now. Keep everything up, quiet down. They weren't putting themselves down. Now we're back to that. So I've worked on it. I had a dream, but I dream a vision of we have this place in our neighborhood where everybody comes to culturally. I wish the history of our neighborhood would come together as one, everybody, and just have somewhere to go, something to do for the other people, the younger people. It's the 17, 14, 17 years old. There's nothing for them to do. We just need to get something where we can draw the people You know, like the center of town was, the new center of town. It's the new center of town. I might want to do a concert. I might do the same tonight. So you have people I feel familiar with. But I got 19 brothers and sisters. They got kids, and we got grandkids. The building over there, it's not big enough. Every time we do something, we got to go somewhere else. It's not big enough. But all in all, I'm saying that One minute. It's a rich history, and it needs to be displayed. Just get a start, let the next generation come through. Take it where it needs to be. It is a rich history. It's our people, your people, we people. So let's just come to the other just and money spent over there. No money has really been spent over there since the federal government came and said, you got to have this recreational center. That's the last time any money, playground equipment we got over there. It was, the old was raggedy. It was neat. It was something that had to happen. But as far as money getting invested in our neighborhood, we see houses coming up. We see all this, but it's a business district. We had stores and the whole county stuff over there. So let's find out a rich history back here. That's all I have to say.

Thank you. All right. Just don't want to ask us to sign up to talk. Item number five is discussion for Royal Springs Park cabin number two. And this is the major part of the agenda for this special call meeting is for that purpose. You had this counselor asked that previously that we go out and get somebody to actually look at this cabin number two and actually see the condition, look at some possibilities, give us some insight as to what it would take, you know, maybe some historical structure on that and some information. So I did reach out, Devin reached out, we reached out and actually Mr. Kennedy and I had a conversation about a few months ago on this. And so that's how we got connected on this. And so that being said, he's here tonight and he's going to You were given a copy of that. He has some adjustment. He said he made some updates. So I'm going to ask Mr. Patrick Kennedy to come up and he can talk a little bit about this and go over. And then, Council, we can have some discussion on this. Then after the discussion, then if need be, possible action, which this Council desires to do with cabin number two. Mr. Kennedy, if you would come up. And if you would introduce your name again for the record, please. My name is Patrick Kennedy. Okay, thank you.

I want to thank the first fellow here for bringing the line board. If I've gone a little harder, I've got some hard sense with the home. That's all. I didn't make... I found it hard, personally, to edit your own work. Your eyes don't see your own mistakes. So when I printed a copy out, I could bring it over in Iowa. So some small corrections. So basically on the first page, I identified some of the wider logs as being west and east facade, and actually they're on the north-south and east facade. The west facade is the one with the chimney, and those are not real wide logs. small thing. On the second page, bottom of the first fair drafter, in that cabin had somebody perfectly made wood hinges for the windows, shutters, and the doors, and wood latches. Even in the early 1800s, Blacksmiths had metal here. I mean, we had ironed They were making iron here in the late 1700s. So I think that I changed that to correct that. So I kind of made a report, but one thing to me, I think is important, I noticed I made that, You've got to do that, right? So in the last paragraph, I said, if you're going to keep this building, I really think you need to, because we don't really know what period it came from. It could probably get to 1930, 40, all the way up to the 70s. But, you know, I think it's important to identify, do identify a period. Sort of stick to that. a certain degree. Because I think having the wood hinges and stuff in there, I mean, if you're looking at that, you've not been in a cabin like that. The other thing, everybody likes wood shingles on a cabin. Wood shingles are really cool. But starting about 1900, they started putting metal on them. And so most cabins that are out there had you know, like a 5B or corrugated metal roof on them. So my opinion is you might want to think about that. If it's an educational artifact, put a wood shingle on one side, hopefully the sunny side, and put a metal shingle on the other side, and then whoever's talking, not metal shingles, a metal roof, can talk about how buildings change over time in terms of that. A lot of buildings that survive had wood siding on them. I've worked 25 years with the Heritage Council, and I've worked 15 years with the Heritage Council. And I've been basically working around log cabins and log houses for about 50 years. And I see that a lot of buildings, I see people get a log house or they buy a house that's got siding on it, and they want to take it off, expose the log. and they have siding on them. And a lot of times when you look at Kevin and you see the corner joints are flush and smooth, that's a pretty good clue that they meant to have siding on them. If they stand out a little proud, then they probably didn't intend to have siding. And that's not 100%, but it's kind of a clue. So I guess I've seen this. And then you got, what are your questions? What are your thoughts? You might have any questions.

That's wrong. I have a question. You know, one of our main jobs on city council is to look at money. And it's hard for me. I mean, you've done a fantastic job giving us a lot of really great information. I'm having a harder time figuring out how much money different options would cost. And I know that's not your lane necessarily, but you might have some input in that direction.

Well, one thing I found out, and probably everybody in this room has found out, is everything costs a whole lot more this year than it did 15 years ago. I mean, really. I find that labor is People that want to work, I find it a hard time. I've only got one good contractor I could recommend. Not meaning there is only one. There's only one I know of that I could recommend that would be able to work for this log building that I would trust. My other guys are aged out. That doesn't mean there's not other people around there. I'm sure there is. Anything Let me back up a little bit on it. That building has not been used in years. I mean, I had to pry open the door with the pry bar just to squeeze in and take a stick and knock down all the spider webs. So a building, any building, and I learned that at the Heritage Council when I started there, people want safe school houses, but they and they would save it and then let it sit there. And so a building's got to have a job. It's got to have something to do. It needs some occupation. Talk about having people get involved with it, have meetings in it, use it, use it for an educational tool to do the maintenance on it. So that's just whatever reason that that building is not going to be used, basically. So if they're not going to use it, you need to Keep that in mind. So how much does it cost? Depends on who you are. I'm working with for sales on the cabin, the Crittenden cabin, that before the old cabin had been moved. This is the third time. It got moved from its original location. This is where John J. Crittenden, he was an early governor of Kentucky, went on to be a senator, was pretty well renowned up through the 1860s. So they moved it about 30 feet to put a house in, and they moved it, when they built the road, they moved it about a quarter mile, and now they've moved it into a park. This building was moved last, about 1975. It was put up. It did not have any overhangs on the roof. I think they used a lot of old, I know they used some new logs, they used some older ones, and they put any siding on it, and after a while, and quit paying attention to it, quit painting it. By the time they got me to look at it, which was about a year and a half ago, it went over, it was pretty much in the same shape, maybe not quite as bad a system, but a lot of rotten logs, a lot of bad logs, the same thing. Well, it actually had a little, it had originally, when they did it in 70, they did put lime mortar in there, but for whatever reason, They replaced it on the outside with hard mortar. So we had a lot of rot. So I gave them five contractors. One of them I knew was a really good contractor in building, but he hadn't any experience in law. And I stood him in because he was local, and I explained that, and he felt that he could probably do this. Well, they didn't talk to anybody else. They hired him because he was local, and he's had a really hard time with this building. And so far, they got it moved. They got it on a foundation that not one I would have put it on. I would have put it on a real simple foundation, just stone piers on a underground concrete foundation. And just put hand-laid stones in there. Anyway, they got it on a foundation. They got the logs up. They got the framing up. They got the roof on. They have about $130,000 into that. That's a lot of money. They still got a roof to go, which is going to cost them about $18,000. They need to get the daubing and chinking. The chinking is the rocks and whatever goes in between the walls. And the daubing is the masonry material that goes over. They've still got that to do. They've got four-by-windows that need to be restored. Most log houses had windows in them. And this is probably a high-end, but still, I could see you could spend $80,000 to $100,000 without it. Part of that is because you have a lot of rotten walls. And there's a lot of what I've identified And, you know, I hate to throw numbers out like that because I see people writing down, and that's not a hard number because it depends on who's working with it. Absolutely. I worked for years with an outfit I worked at a store for. They're based out of Colorado, and they've got another base in Virginia, and they work with volunteers. They like to work with the local volunteers. They have a supervisor, which I used to do. People come up. They camp. They stay five days at a time on a job. They might stay six weeks at a job, and they work on it. And it might be a little cheaper than hiring a contractor, but they generally do a pretty good job. They've got a good reputation. They've been doing it about 15 years now. So that's one option. Another option is hiring a contractor. You might have local people in the community that could work on this. It's not that hard work. There's books out there. I think I, did I include a list of books in there?

I don't know if I did or not.

If I did, I can't even tell. But I've been finding resources. There's a good one called Dovetails and Broad Axes. It's free. It's your tax dollars at work. It's online. You can download it. It's probably one of the best books out there on restoring and renovating log houses. There's other ones that I could provide.

I think, what else?

On this one, in terms of, I don't know if you got to move that other one, but I'm proud of him. He moved the log house with the chimney in the middle. And I'm not seeing a chimney in the middle, which is an unusual thing, but to move it with the chimneys, what's it doing? On this one, you know, I outlined that the seal logs, which are the supporting logs for the exterior of the gable-in walls and the floor joists, are pretty rotted, so I think you might have a hard time lifting that building up from where it is. Plus, you've got to take the chimney down. You can't lift it up because you have to get the chimney down. And that chimney is outlined in there. That's something I've never seen in a log building where they had that open gap all the way up to the peak. Basically, they cut that wall in half. I think it's too long to go across, and that's it. They pulled it together. Even if you took the chimney out, I think you'd have a hard time moving it. To restore it, you're going to have to take it apart. Why lift it if you're going to take it apart? And I think they got this other one, the Crittenden cabin, which was a bigger cabin. It was a longer cabin. It had a center wall in it. They got that down in about 15 working days. It's a lot easier to take stuff down than it is to build it back up. So I know you're all kind of in a rush. You've got an agenda here with that pipe. them someplace off site and that way you can examine every log and see if you can repair the logs and there are ways to do that with epoxies you can do a face slice at the front a lot of those logs i've done termites on the outside just on this outside area and the only thing i can think on that is another is that's a wet part uh but all the way at the top i've found dirt and

residue from termites up there but I didn't but the logs seemed hard and hardy inside so do you um when you if you were to take it down and store it this is probably the only question do you store termite infested logs with or do away with them what what we used to do uh

Back when I started working on these, there's other big bugs in there. They see little boards, and you've seen them, got little bitty holes in them, and I never worried too much about them because they don't eat a whole lot. But what we used to do is put them, we used to stack them and sticker them, which means putting boards in between the layers so you got air all the way around them. We would completely cover them with plastic, put four boards or boards or something all the way around the ceiling, And we pump some kind of poison gases or something in there to kill whatever. And that's what we do. Maybe next time somebody else is in the business, we'll give you some direction on that.

I think that's what you are saying. It's kind of what we were looking at, asking for. Somebody had more of an expert opinion on the cabin as to It sounds like it's salvageable, but not as a unit to move it, and it's pretty much going to need to be taken down.

I mean, the fact that it's got to come apart to be put back up, I'm just guessing. I think it'd take probably 15 working days to stabilize it so you can lift it up and then move it, and you've still got to take it apart. So to me, And you probably might be able to get it done faster than that. Once you get to the loophole, brother, it's just a matter of you can be some problem. And you've got to get the chimney down. That's a little problem to bring a chimney down. But once you get that done, you know, basically, you basically lower the wall. We used to lower them down with ropes. I wrote down on one end, three or four people, and you just slide them down. A lot of them are short walls anyway.

So what kind of people would you hire to take it all apart, label it, take the chimney down, mark all the bricks, you know, make it in a situation where eventually it might be able to be placed somewhere else?

Well, I've got, well, I've got a list of, well, it's a short list. There's a short now of people that work on long buildings. I don't know where they've been. or saw a few weeks ago, looking at one they've got similar figure. This fellow named Jesse Pace that lives up in Westport, Kentucky, up near New York and they're a little off 42. His daddy worked with log buildings in that area and he works with them. I figured he, I know, watched what he's done. He's pretty able. I used to have a guy in Boone County that did it. He was pretty good. I saw him at a funeral service and basically it was, you know, I don't want to go into detail, but he doesn't have a crew anymore and he's too old.

So we could find contractors to do it and there'd be a cost to that and then we'd have to find a place to defumigated or to get the termites out and then we would have to find a place to store it so that it wouldn't further deteriorate and preserve it and then in the future sometime we would have to figure out in the budget and we'd have to figure out where to put it so I think back in the day what we did when we were doing it was first I don't know how long you want to store I mean

uh like quite a few years ago but uh you know we stacked and stickered them outside about this far off the ground and we stacked them in a stack like that we put metal roofing on them and we put big logs on the middle roof and so it didn't blow off and uh left them there for a year or two years so that worked all right as long as you can keep the water off them it doesn't might give back anything you know but i suspect They were lucky at Wichita County in Versailles. They started on that last summer and all winter they had a huge barn to literally lay the parts out in a great big metal barn and then rebuild up the first floor and then rebuild the second floor and take them all down and take them and restack them so they had it. That was the best I've ever seen, a great big metal barn.

Thank you very much. Great information.

Thank you. So just kind of reiterate, you know, for discussion and, you know, what possible action needs to take tonight. Just want to have a few points that I kind of highlighted as to what Mr. Kennedy said on something like, number one, he was talking about relocation of this cabin as an intact cabin. unit would does appear to be the best option. But if you find out that it, you know, if you're going to try to move it, get off the chimney and it makes hard to do. Number two was that it would still need to be carefully disassembled, which means usable components salvaged and being reinvented. Give me renovated and preserved. This will likely be the quickest and least expensive approach to clearing the site. Third item I want to talk about the All the 42 partial link logs in the cabin, 27 of them, you notice there was some damage to them.

In some cases, a lot of damage.

So they would have to just be replaced. And due to the large width, 16 by 20 needed replacement logs, sourcing them will be difficult and expensive. due to, you know, as you said, it's hard to find.

It is hard to find. You could like one piece on top of another if you're trying to replicate the same size of log. If you want to put it back up as a log house, you might not have to be that specific on it. You might be able to get away with not using great big wide logs in some areas and You know, maybe instead of being an eight log tie, you made a nine log tie, and that way you use, you know, you still had a log house and you didn't have a great big log.

Okay. And a couple other things here. I think Mr. Stone has something he wants to say in just a minute. As you mentioned also, that the arrangement for a contractor for deconstruction, which means taking it down and disassembling it, and then reconstructing that cabinet would need to be arranged. So if you find somebody that knows about cabinets, same person, taking it down, piece by piece, like you said, labeling them, storing them somewhere safely, so don't get water on them or making sure that you had to periodically go back and check to make sure that no bugs are getting into it. And then if you do find bugs, you got to go back and refill it yet again or whatever you have to do to treat it, correct?

It'd be probably best if it was the same person that was going to rebuild it was the same one that took it down because then they would be able to have probably more experience with identifying where the logs go. All I know on that is don't put it on the side of the log, but... If they're on the end, I made that mistake on the first one.

And then you also mentioned that the cabinet itself, the new foundation, you're going to have a whole new foundation at the bottom. Is that correct?

Yeah. You know, I've grown up. I've written up some stuff on that. But the log houses, kind of interesting. Originally, they were built on piers, just stone, about that deep. Didn't have a foundation on them. They'd have one on each corner. They'd have one at each door, on each side of the door. They they'd have one next to each chimney. And then they would just infill with dry stone. And what we've done in the past is you make a pad below ground, just a round pad, and then keep it about six inches below the grate, and then dry stone it up and it looks just like an orifice.

And the last thing is that, you know, if we were to consider, you know, trying to do something with this cabin, would that, even though it has no historical connection with this community, as for such, but, you know, it could be used for the purpose of, for educational purpose, but keeping that in mind, you still have to make sure that it fits with the time which of this cabin should be done.

I think, I guess what I'm going on there is this one didn't have any windows in it. It just had shutters on the inside. It had the wooden hinges and the wooden handles. I think I think it's an educational one, is to show what it might've really looked like.

So you're talking about changing the cosmetic part of it, where the hinges are taken off and you actually don't be putting windows and everything, just like you would do with the original?

You know, we can go pick up the details here, but you know, they had glass, they put windows in, You could see on that when it had taller narrow or taller windows. So we know it had some there. And then it had that third door. That's weird. I've never seen that. They didn't usually do that because on that one, it's very clear to me that somebody lived upstairs and they had a plastered ceiling on there. So that was probably a long spot. We had to get up there. So I think And that's pretty common to have a living for sleeping quarters on the second floor. Yeah. We want to make changes like that. And then that opening where that fireplace is that I guess I took all the air out of the room.

So I'll let you go, Mr. Stone. Go ahead.

Thank you, sir. And with Mr. Kennedy talked about some of the logs need to be replaced. If we decided to take it down and store it, You know, we have a couple of things, a couple of options as far as replacing logs. One, Graves Lumberyard at Oxford. Hokey deals with those logs all the time. So Graves Lumberyard is just east of Georgetown, a little community called Oxford. I know where Oxford is.

There's a nice lumberyard over there.

The old school, old Oxford High School is where Graves Lumberyard is. go around behind the building in the houses and with facing over the back. And then we can also contact the Division of Forestry. They do have classes every year. Matter of fact, a friend of mine is going through now, getting certification on identifying trees and taking them down and clearing land for people. So we do have options if we want to keep it and take it apart and store it. um and identify the lumber the logs that we need to replace and what type of wood they are being you know some pine some oak some white oak dark oak walnut whatever the case may be and we have options that we can do to get uh get those boards or the logs back to replace them so if you

logs and a sawmill, even a sawmill out in the field, you can saw those with an inch or so of what they would be and then

Even within that, it would save you a lot of work. Absolutely. And one of the things to keep in mind, too, that's cabin number two. We still got cabin number one, which needs to be addressed, too. We're not talking about that, but you've got to keep that in mind, too. You're talking about the possibility of doing some repair to both of these cabins. That's something you've got to look at. Again, let's talk about dogs. Let's be the elephant in the room. As Evan always said, sometimes you've got to be able to talk about what reality is, and reality is It's taking money, and you got to make sure that we're taking, as you mentioned, taking taxpayers' money and using them in a logical way. Because, you know, sometimes some people may not like the idea of taking, if we're going to high-end $130,000 or even $80,000 or $100,000 of this money, and just for that one, and then we don't even know how much it's going to cost for the building number one. you know, he talked about doing that too. So you could probably be investing 125 to $150,000 to refurnish or to get both these cabinets back in the place. And you got to keep that in mind. But like I said, though, you know, I'm just putting it out there for us to talk about. And like I said, uh, you know, I'm open to some suggestions, but, uh, from this council, you know, and from Eric.

You know something in here. You know, we talked about an educational opportunity, and that's not just looking at it and wondering what it looks like. We don't have anybody working on log buildings. I've got a lot of people talking to me that want to get log buildings worked on. An educational opportunity might be training people how to work on log buildings and using that as an example. And I don't know where the options are in the educational system on that one.

You know, you work at the Heritage Council. Are there grants and things that are available for this kind of work?

If it was an educational one, maybe. In general, the Heritage Council, which shame on me because I moved a whole lot of log houses, they don't like you to move. Because it's lost its context. So they don't like that. But I think it's an educational... opportunity as often there. And I think, too, that there's another, there's an educational organization based out of Maryland that's training people in hands-on preservation work now. And they're doing it, I wouldn't say nationwide yet, but it's a pretty good force. And then Preservation Kentucky was about $40,000 in their educational work. So they're I think you can call the people there. It's absolutely unlikely, but I think that would be the question.

All right. So, yes, sir. One thing I think we should consider, and this comes along in cost aspect of everything, it would be great to know if there was a general idea of how much of the original material of the cabin could be preserved and taken care of and reused if it's relocated. I know right now there may not be able to get that type of percentage, but if we take it down and we discover there's a lot more of the logs and other things damaged, and then say if we're left with just throwing this out here, 10 or 20% of the original material, it's salvageable. then one thing that we would have to consider is we would be taking on a project where we would be building an extensive replica of a historical cabin that would still have educational value, but since it's not original to Georgetown and since it would be kind of expensive, those would be things to consider. So I would definitely like to think that if maybe we can get 50, 60, 70% or more of the original material and then reassemble it and have it be that way, I would feel a lot more comfortable about supporting the project. Not that I wouldn't support it anyway, even if we only had 10 or 20%. It's kind of early in the game to think about it, but just something I think we should think about.

Would you, you know, thinking along those lines, would maybe the step that we take need to be to disassemble it and then make the decision about what happens once we know more about it? Then we carefully disassemble it and then we spend the money there.

that we need to to get it disassembled so it just offered a suggestion here and just just we're here so if we i'm here for miss counselor is looking at what um but put my head in on is that okay it's gonna have to come down we all know that it's going to come down so you take it down and maybe we find a place to store it and then while we get it stored somewhere we can have somebody come and look into that right there and while that we're not in the hurry to put it back up So, and my second suggestion would be is, you know, there are places that, and I've been approached by some people about possibly doing work with the original cabinet, which is cabinet number one. Let's go ahead and do something to fix that up. And while we get that process done, then we can possibly look at possibly doing something with the other. That's just a suggestion for me.

I think that's reasonable. I think that's very reasonable.

So, so basically what we need, Part of the decisions that we need to do is we have a project that's going on right now that is in... It has the opportunity to delay a project if we don't make some decisions. I'm just going past there. You're real close to needing to start opening a ground there. We have... Thomas Burns, Existing folks and part of the existing contract was removal of that happened. One of the questions I have is those folks capable and willing and Thomas Burns, Already allocated in the budget. of the contract to be able to successfully disassemble that, or is there a modification that needs to happen there? with that contractor, or do we need somebody else to do that? So timing is of the essence.

Was it not an original contract? It wasn't. They were going to just destroy it?

Well, they were going to take it down.

Or they were going to take it down, yeah. Take it down, as in take it down nicely? No, I don't know. No, just knock it down.

So I think that's one of the questions. But again, it sounds like at least in the conversation so far, that that's the direction. So I think that's part of what we need to work out to move this building and get a decision made. I think as the mayors mentioned and others, cabin one needs to be replaced. Cabin two can be a resource of that. I think I've been told the Two cabins on Georgetown College campus that came down that have been stored somewhere. Last known. With Ward Hall. It's where? Ward Hall.

Last known.

Oh. So there's some additional resources there that can be utilized with number one and potentially other places. Perhaps the Austin area has been suggested. So I think that's where we need to kind of continue to move towards. And I'd be interested, you know, from GMWSS and that new contract, where do we need to go there so that we know how to take the next stage?

So I said, I know that, again, according to the original contract, they were just going to knock it down and then just dispose of it. That's what the original is. Now, and I believe, and Devin, correct me if I'm wrong on this, is that of that, them taking it down, was the $10,000 was part of that to take it down, or would I get $10,000?

I think Alan's on the call and would probably be best equipped to answer that question. Alan? Alan, any of you want to speak to that?

The original bid was $35,000 to pick up cabin number one and move it back and build a new foundation in the location of cabin number two. Cabin number two had a cost of $10,000 just to knock it down and dispose of it.

Yeah. So if we was to get someone to come in and actually disassemble it, for the amount of money that we were spending, you know, like I said, $10,000. I mean, could we get this done? Somebody coming in and doing that, taking it down and labeling, putting it somewhere for that amount of money. Then I think it did become, I don't think so, but I'm just wondering, you know, but it might be more.

The question for me would be how much more, you know, because, you know, I thought the amount of money to work around it was exorbitant. But if it's 5,000 more, whatever, I mean, something reasonable, like maybe not more than double, then I think that's the way we need to go. I think, and then we're spending the money hoping that we can save it. We may find out that, you know, we have to use some of the logs on it to fix up cabin one or whatever. You know, it may be too far gone, but we don't know that answer until we get in there. And I mean, that's what I would like to propose is that we do, we see if we can get somebody to take it down and number the thing in the proper way so that we can reassemble it. At some point, if that's what we decide to do, but once we get it down, we assess it. We don't make any decisions about taking it down and taking it somewhere where we're story. And then we go from there, we make another decision.

I guess my question is somewhere. Yeah. We contracted with the 1st capital. And to pick it up and move it. So. they have the expertise to be able to disassemble number two and continue on to be able to continue this process.

And that would be something that I guess We can ask you to find out for us.

I think their cost of the $10,000 was just a knock it down. It's going to cost more to go in there and just label it and take it down piece by piece. So you've got that cost. And also, something that no one has discussed yet is, you know, we're operating against a short time period here. So we've got to make a decision now. And whatever contractor we used, you know, we need to get this done in a very, very short period of time.

But wouldn't the next thing then, I've heard, it sounds like brewing consensus, we want to carve this, take it down and save it as in storing it and taking it down as properly as we can. So the question would be, because you said they did a nice job moving the other cabin, that would be the water company to go back to this particular contractor they've been dealing with and ask them, can they take it down, mark it, and How much is that going to cost to do that? Because we know it's more than $10,000. That's what they were going to tear it down. So the water company would need to probably go to that and ask that as quickly as possible. You can probably get that part of it in the next short period of time.

That would be a change order. It would be a change order, sure.

Yes.

But the perspective at $10,000, a lot of that could be supposed to pay somebody. Yeah.

That's possibly.

So if you're not doing it. It comes down quick. You've still got to take a chin down. You can get shocked over it all. If the chin's on the side, you just have to take it back and flap it up and start sliding down.

I mean, to me, the decision to carefully take it down, label it, get the termites out of it, But the bigger decision, if we decide to do that tonight, we have to have a place to put it almost immediately. So, I mean, where are we going to put it such that it's, you know, covered and safe? And, you know, do we have a city property that can be used to that effect?

Does Public Works have enough area to put it out there for storage and be able to build a canopy? Wait, he was talking about the canopy. They would be able to build a canopy for it.

Probably work with the county and store it somewhere. They've got several farms available that that could be put on. And you would just need railroad ties, base, put logs, railroad ties, base, you know, logs, something to keep it off the ground so that the air circulates around it, keeps it as dry as possible.

Some kind of cover, you know. So that would be something we could ask the mayor to be checking into that quickly and see if there's a place would be best place to store it.

Well, I think the first thing we need to decide, and as you all mentioned, we're on the clock here. We have to make a decision. We have to make a decision. We're going to take it down. And store it. Is that what we're going to do? If that's what you're going to do, then I need to make a motion to make an action on this. And your motion is to take it down. Correct.

Take it down. Label it and store it. I'll second it.

Okay. All right. Motion made by Mr. Stone, seconded by Mr. Hampton. Are there any questions and or comments on this?

And find a place to store it.

I mean, that's... Talk with J.R. Brandenburg and Robert Bruin and they could come up with some place to store it.

There will still be more action required. What you are asking is for the mayor to move forward with the Conversations necessary to get the pricing and understand whether the contractors can complete that if they can't to independently get pricing and then the goal of the council is to disassemble and try to.

So everybody understand that? So the idea is that we're going to be disassembling and if they can't do it, the contractor can do it. And what is the difference in price would be if they cannot, then we have to go out and actually contract somebody to do that, that will do that. And maybe Mr. Kennedy can give us some recommendations of some people that we may be looking at from there. And then at that point in time, we can look at, but also keep it in mind that we have enough capital to get to. So is there any other questions, any comments? I think I got pretty good. Do we vote? Yeah, just a minute. I'm working in secret. I got to go. You won't mess me up here, okay? But is there any other questions or comments? All those in favor of this motion signify by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed say nay. And that will be what we have. So if there's no other business to be involved with this council, this meeting is adjourned. Thank you. you