Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

My eyes have a head. Sometimes they're the longest minutes. You're like the proper dentist. I didn't even do that. It's 6 o'clock. Uh, call the meeting to order. Uh, welcome to the December 3rd meeting of the Georgetown Planning Commission. Our first order of business is approval of minutes from November 19th. Do I hear a motion to approve?

So moved. A second. Have a motion. Second. I have a motion and second. All in favor say I. I. Motion carried. Our next order of business is an application by ADBMD Georgetown LLC for the preliminary review and approval for the construction of a plus or minus 9,976 square ft service building on a property with an existing automobile dealership. Properties located at 22065 Dupont Boulevard. The applicant like to take the podium.

Good evening. My name is Chris Shaner and I re represent DHW Holdings, which owns that company you just referenced, and the Preston Automotive Group. Um, it's been a long time getting to here. It was my intention when we started down this path that we have this building up and staffed with people who worked at Boulevard in Georgetown before we opened the Ford store in Millsboro.

We haven't quite gotten there yet. Uh before Casey gets into the technical stuff, I did want to give you a little bit of background because I know I've talked to different committees and different people and I want to tell you how we got here, why we're trying to be here. Uh years ago when we identified we were going to lose Boulevard, we realized that um I spent a lot of time trying to find a piece of property in Georgetown and I was failing miserably. So we realized our only representation was going to remain as Shore Auto Sales. We took a flyer and bought seven acres behind um Shore Auto Sales that was under almost all wetlands, but to my eyes and my nose, it didn't pass the sniff test or the eye test to be wetlands. So, we bought it and we took a chance that we could get that changed. I hired an engineer who did a great job and proved that it didn't pass the sniff test or the eye test and the core of engineers removed that property from the uh wetlands delineation map. So that was when we were able to come in front of a committee here in this room and asked to bring a couple of acres and add to the back of what was the old Georgetown Auto Sales, which now is Shore Auto Sales, with the intention of knowing that a lot of our service work for Shore Auto Sales was done at Boulevard in Georgetown. A lot of our storage was done at Boulevard in Georgetown while we were waiting on parts. We were going to need a place to not have to drive back and forth to Millsboro. So the whole idea for this was to take a couple of people that worked in Georgetown, keep them here, take what was being serviced there, what was being stored there, keep it here, and that's how we've gotten to here. Then we hit a soil conservation snag, which became a very expensive snag, which has this project on life support. So the intent of this is to keep this building completely behind the two existing buildings that are there. There should be very little if any line of sight to the highway. We own the residential behind it and there's no mathematical equation that's ever going to make it make sense to develop those

woods and single family houses. So, we're screened from all of the other places. So, our request here is that we have minimum requirements for improving visibly the site because we're not going to be able to see the site. It literally is going to be a storage yard for cars that aren't for sale yet and work for the dealership that now can perform its own work instead of having to shuttle back and forth to Boulevard to do the work because now the convenience of Boulevard isn't so convenient. Is it going to be a service? Are they going to do service there too? In-house service. Yes.

Yes. That I mean they also will have some customers but ironically of all of the all of the roadblocks that I've hit and this is going to sound funny to you because you work in Delaware. The one agency that has not did not give me a hard time was Dell DOT is what? Delot because they see it as less traffic on and off property than more because instead of us shuttling back and forth to boulevard, we can actually fix the cars right there. So in their mind, we were actually reducing traffic impact and that's the first time I've ever had that happen in my life. And I've done a lot of Dell Dot work.

So I just wanted to give a background as to what we're trying to do. The idea is it put a few more people working in Georgetown than are working now. Keep that business staffed here. Um, keep it more of in-house and accessible to people that need it in addition to the people that are customers there and to prep cars for sale. So, it's done a very nice job. We're very pleasantly surprised with how the business has grown. So, now we need to figure out how to replace what we've lost here in town. So, before I turn it over to Casey, I wanted to give you a little background as to how we got here. Okay. Hello. Hello. Does everybody have a copy of this in front of them? I'm just gonna I'm just going to hang on to it because I like to to point when I talk.

Um my name is Casey Ralph. I'm the engineer for the project. I'm with Ralph Incorporated.

Um and as as Chris said, uh this is an addition to the existing Shore Auto Sales on Route 113. The existing building u sits right here right up against the road. The parcel that they purchased the seven acres uh sits right behind it primarily woods. Uh first step we took was to um divide off a piece of that property and combined it with the existing lot here. Um uh dealing with Dell Dot as as Chris said was easy. and they've issued us what's called the letter of no contention, which means they basically looked at the project, agreed that we don't need any other entrance approvements or anything. Here's your letter to say you're good to go. Uh, a little bit of the stumbling block had been soil conservation district, but we we've been working with the district uh coming up with the method of of storm water management that is going to best uh serve the site. And we've we're we're building a submerged gravel wetlands right here in the woods with an outfall to this swale here that goes out to the road. Um, and submerged gravel wetlands works really well with these kind of soil conditions. Um, there's not a whole lot to the site. The building sits back here with an area of asphalt around the building. uh just to the north and to the west uh I'm sorry to the to the east and to the south because it's shaped like this uh is gravel that's going to be used for generally for storage for the for the addition. Um there are two waiver requests that we've submitted. Uh relatively minor waiver request I think but uh important nonetheless. The first of which uh there is a dumpster enclosure uh adjacent to the existing building that sits right here. Uh it's been there for as long as I know.

When we bought the building from Jimmy Stickles, we actually applied for a fence permit to fence that in and it is fenced in and it will stay fenced in. Okay.

And as because we brought this piece of the property into the site as we've been working with staff, staff has said you've got to bring the entire site up to compliance. So even though this has been here forever, there's a stipulation in the screening uh for dumpsters that there is a planting requirement in association with the fences as uh Chris has informed us uh due primarily I would guess to the shading of the site with the trees and the soils, you know, formerly wetland soils. It nothing grows back there as far as shrubs or anything. They could plant it. It's just going to die. It's going to be kind of a waste of time for everybody. So although it's a minor thing, we're asking for a waiver for that planting request.

Chris could do it. It's just I can plant it's just gonna die. So they wanted you to plant by the woods, right? No. Well, there's a there's interesting screening right here. A fence. The the code requires planting along with the with the screening of the fence. So currently asphalt,

which is asphalt. So, we'd have to tear up the asphalt, put some shrubs in there that are probably going to die. So, it's just it's a it's a waiver request that we we'd like to ask for. Um, the second waiver request is is a little bit more important. And due to the shape of this site, um, in this zone, when you're uh up against a residential zone, which this is back here, there's a requirement to have 20 feet 25 ft of buffering on each side of the property line. Now because of the the narrow shape of this, if we have an additional 25 feet of buffering on this side, it brings it down to about where my finger is right here, which makes this site undevelopable. So in lie of the the 25 ft of buffering on this side, our solution is to ask if if we could have 50 foot of of buffering on the residential side.

And it's isn't it heavily wooded? This this is this is all this is all just down the street from my house. I said I know, man. It's pure woods. Yeah, it was very hard to walk through it. Yeah. So, this this building is going to be surrounded by three sides all in in essentially a forest and covered by this building here in the front. So, really, you're only seeing the the building and the associated uh vehicles if you're into the site and there to visit the site. Um, so th those are the two waiver requests we're asking for. Or there was another one for flat side. Brian, help me. Oh, okay. I'm going to say for decorative.

Oh, okay. Yes. On the flat side of the buildings. Oh, I see. Yes. Yes. The um the the the facade of of the building. So, yeah. So, so did you have some particular the particular standards for the um I think it was the roof lines you had mentioned something like I interpret it as they wanted to d Oh yes. Yeah. But the two buildings we have on site don't have them. This is going to need to have dormers so that the owls could see the dormers. So we're asking to not have to do the roof line improvements to just be able to do simply a pole. It's a pole.

So is it is it just Yeah, I just want to make sure that we're we're clear on exactly which which ones you're asking for. So, let me just if I can pull them up for a second here. So, what's in front of that building? In front of us is another building. In front of what's it's on 113, right? So, it's on and it's next to the Shell station. Next to the shell station. There's the sales facility is sits on the highway. There's a tire place next to it. Between the tire place and the sales building to the souththeast corner of that property is a four bay service building which said two of them are from Washington.

So you're not b you're not doing any they still have other owners to that property. We're l we actually had this annexed in. So this piece that used to be square is now one big piece. We had that annexed in and the lot line erased and that was so we could push this building as close to this building as possible. So those are still independently owned. Those other the tire place is going the tire place is on the next property on the other side of the station. Unfortunately, that's not us. It looks a sight. It wouldn't look like it did if it was. Yeah. Okay. We keep our stuff a little nicer than that.

So, in the in the most recent submission for the architecturals, you had submitted ones with the dormers on them, right? And then there was there was entrance treatments as as well. Are you only asking for the roof line um changes? So basically to go back to a a standard roof. Yes. Um I unfortunately I'm at a disadvantage. I don't have drawings in front of me for the building, but um definitely no roof line improvements. I can bring

Yeah. It's not like they need strange on the highway anyway.

That's the renderings that I submitted. Yes. So, so these first ones are the original ones you submitted and then I think you added a couple more here. So, wow. I never saw those. I would have never I would have told him no. No, just nicks it. I never I never seen those. That's first time I've seen that. The one you show the first ones the only ones I've ever seen. Okay. Uh so, let's just zoom in here for a moment so we can all be on the same page here. Um so, yes. So, here's some there's some change in the materials here on the on the the bottom here. This is I think a an aluminum or a metal treatment

uh which I think was planned. Um there's this entrance here that is this would probably be the main entrance that is the front Yeah, the front elevation. So, as you're entering the site from uh 113, this is this is what you would see um behind the buildings obviously um the two existing buildings. And so here's the door, windows, and some yep, some additional stuff here. Um,

yeah, I apologize. I have never seen this because I would have said, "Never mind. We're just not going to do it." If I had seen these drawings cuz literally it's guys coming from one shop to another shop into that shop, and the shop they're coming from doesn't look anything like that shop. Well, um, so just for the I mean for the record, these are um some of these are are meant to meet the standards that are in the design guidelines which only the planning commission has um jurisdiction to um wave. So that's obviously uh part of the reason why why we're here. So we have the two official waiver requests that we just talked about, the buffer yard and the um the dumpster screening. And I just also want to be clear that um in terms of what you believe should be uh what you would desire to have waved regarding um so this is a standard here with the dormers here which you can receive a waiver from um this the below treatment here. I think it's a

we're going to call it a roof line change. Yeah. A a roof line treatment. Yes. So that would be that would be one another waiver. Um, so yeah, here's here we and we typically do just a Wayne's coating at the bottom with a different an alternating not an alternating metal. I think there short sales they're all the same color. Sometimes they're alternated, sometimes they're not. Depends on what what was there existing. Um, okay. And and so some of these are also so we have an entrance treatment standard as well, which is why you have some of these things that you might not typically see on a on a service building such as this. Um, so I just want to be sure

if that building was out in front on the highway, I'd love it. But um, understandable. And if we have to come back again, I understand because I was prepared to argue for the building that you initially had. That's the last drawing I saw. Okay. So, they want to change the entrance or not? Um I guess that's the question that's the question that we're asking. So, um so you you do believe in terms of what is shown here. Um, we can note that the roof line treatment would be a waiver. Um, anything else about what we're seeing here? Do you believe

the stone siding? I would do convent I would request to be able to do conventional metal wes coating and what ways coating does is they have a panel that's a long panel that comes down to about a three-foot panel. Yeah. And if for something drives into it, runs into it, you can pop the little three-foot panel off, put another three-foot panel on. You're not taking the whole skin off the side of the building. So, it's an easy repair. We do that at all of the dealerships that have metal siding. If not, we have to do ballards, uh, concrete ballards to keep people from driving. You're just going to replace it with metal. It's not going to be stone. Yes. So, that's another That would be my request. Yes. The entrance feature, if that's something that the town wants, we could we can do that. It have to be I mean it just has to be a

it just needs so so the yeah the bottom it just needs to be a bottom a middle and a and a top and so that's not a waiver right what right so the bottom right it can still be treated um differently I believe that would meet the the standard here let me just double check that okay um Mr. Chair, can I ask a question? How how tall is that building?

I'm going to tell you that front elevation. It was designed to be the same height as the building that's there, but I don't know the answer to that question. Okay. It's not going to go over top of the one that's there. It was designed to be the one the one that's in front.

No, the one in the back cuz this one backs this is designed there's a servant. So, if you're on the highway and you drive in between the Shell station and the Shore Auto Sales and you go into the back, in the back there's a building that's a service zone. It's a four bay building. I think it's gray or a dark dark gray. This building was designed to go directly behind that building. The intent was for the existing building to handle all cleanup and detail because it's older. Have this one handle all service and fix up. None of it being for customers. all strictly being for employees to go between those two buildings because we couldn't extend the building that's there, right? We we would have had no parking lot.

So, the whole idea of buying that ground and building this building was to expand the business without giving up anything we already have. So, inside that building, they're just they're servicing vehicles. Literally just lifts, a small parts area, and a small office/break room for the people that work there. So, are there bays to get cars in there or That's actually a drive-thru. So, to drive through one end and drive out the other. Oh, I see. Again, because of the shape of the lot, it made more sense to come in one end and go out the other than try to have a bunch of doors because we just didn't have a turning radius. So, if you can see here, yes. So, there's there's doors on the the the short sides of the building. Um, and then there's a center, right?

And then there's a there's a I guess a pedestrian door on the front here. That's for fire. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's a small office, a large office for like a manager, a toiletry room. The office that's shown as office is really going to be a break room. It's going to have tables, a refrigerator, a microwave, countertop, that kind of stuff for the people that work there. The office is actually for whoever's managing that building. The the the building in the very front of this is a sales building or what? That's a sales building. And who is that operating that? That's all shore sales. The whole thing is shore house. Okay. Preston owns Shore's house. Okay. Preston's everywhere.

We just sometimes find it's easier for people not to know it's Preston. Yeah. The frog. Keep the frog out of That's why we have Midway Tire and Auto in Lewis because people think it's cheaper to service their car at Midway even though it's the same shop as the one next door. Oh, you shouldn't have told me that. It's the same shop. So um so treating with the metal wins coating on the bottom at the base uh would meet the standard. So if you so it's not technically a waiver. Um you would just submit resubmit that different

um and then we would the roof line treatments would be a waiver and it sounded like the the front treatment here you you you could leave as is as proposed. Does that go on the front facing the building or the front facing the woods? This is the This is the front facing the building. Yeah, we're facing the building facing the highway even though you have to look through two other buildings to see it. Yes, that's correct. Yeah. Yeah. The only question I have and this is because having operated in Georgetown. Okay. Can I do away with these windows which are easy to break and crawl through? We've got windows up high for light.

If we do away with these windows, just have a door that's a steel door with no window in it, no glass in it, so you can't break in and that strength is down so that that coverage is just for the door. No problem with this concern if these windows are down low enough that a brick and a body can easily get through them. isolated enough that would be easy, right? Um, let me take a look here. So, it looks like nose

cuz you still have a canopy on it on the front, right? You still have the canopy. Uh I'm just Yeah, I was I don't have a problem with that. So the windows themselves need not from our strictly the design standard perspective, you know, barring any other building code related things. Um that that could be a waiver as well. Um good be a waiver then. That's a concern. The the window aspect if if you want to change the the the bottom windows in a different way. Um no, I would just get rid of the bottom window.

I'm not a fan of At le our sales office is all glass, but at least it's on the highway and there's cameras all around it and there's lights all around it. Everybody driving by can see it. This is back in the woods. I don't like the idea of having two windows where people can just help them. When we bought that place, I was telling Casey there was an old dilapidated shed out by the the uh by the service building. And as soon as we bought it, I was concerned it was going to fall down. So before we let employees come, we brought a Bobcat over and we were going to tear the shed down because it was falling down anyway. I wouldn't take nothing but a hand to push it over. For some reason, I opened the shed door. I don't know why I opened the shed door, but I did. And I'm glad I did because before the bobcat came over to push it down, there were two people sleeping in the shed

because it was out of sight. You couldn't see it from the road.

Surprised that. So that's my concern with those and I think it's a valid concern having experienced some of the things that we have to deal with in this town and other town I live in. So I would do a solid door and I would do a a covered opening just like that. Just a smaller covered opening to cover the door to still give you the feature of the covered opening and get rid of those windows and the only windows will be up high and too high for people to crawl in. Let me just also pull up the the comments from the the engineer. So that will so this first this first comment here if you're looking at the um comment letter from a reviewing engineer um there are building elevations were provided with the second submitt um these were the the original comments or I guess the remaining comments um originally. So the roof on expression we just discussed. Um so basically the massing ground level details and screening blank walls. That's the um that's sort of the element that we're talking about right now with the windows um the doors because going back to the um uh sorry I need to go back here to the elevations. Um, so understandably in our code or in our design standards, we want we like to discourage blank walls. Um, especially if they're public facing or facing a street. Obviously, this is a slightly different situation because it's behind several buildings and it serves a, you know, it serves a business service use. Um, if this were right on the street, we might be having a different story.

I would feel differently if it was right on the street because I'd have some visibility too to be have a little more security or if it was a customer use building, I'd have it I'd have a totally different opinion. It's just a work building. So, just want to make sure that we we cover everything and it's up to, you know, and of course it's up to the planning commission to make that motion at the end of the day. Um, but um, just wanting to make sure. Can you go back to the the drawings? Oh, I'm sorry. The the the front drawing that we're talking about. Oh, the front drawings. Yeah.

Oh. Oh, okay. Sorry. All right. So, so this versus the the drawing from the Mar pool buildings to Mar buildings is just a blank wall with a door. Mhm. Even though this is hidden, that's a little too too blank for me.

Um I personally would I'm fine without the dormers. I think they would probably look very weird when they're on that building. Um if you're if you're going to do the the trim, you know, different trim down the bottom, a canopy of sorts for the door, um it's going to It's going to wave depending on how many treatments you have to have. We're waving. Well, if you're leaving those upper windows. Yes, those windows were the original design. So, we're the windows. Yes, we put those windows in on purpose because we wanted windows. We just didn't want to be able to have people crawl in them.

Keep Okay. Well, then I thought you wanted the roof line changed. Doesn't that include No, the roof line status. I just want to move the rid of the dormer. Yes. So, so and that's that's actually what what is the roof line expression so is is the dormers. So, so yeah, so we can we can include that and otherwise as is we we'll we'll just say without the dormers that the roof the roof line expression is what it is and that would be whichever you know that would be I'll take that canopy and I'll just bring it down so that it's a covered entry into the doorway. Yeah, it'll just be a smaller version of that. I don't have a problem with that. That's easy.

I think too the um the the sections you see that there's some sections here. I think that is probably also intentional to try to break up the facade a bit. Um that's actually one, two, three. So sort of like a decorative decorative mullion is the intent. Yes. Yep. Again, that's fine. We we always go monochromatic, but if you want to go well actually accent colors. So the the um the lights on the front are actually a a treatment, right? The lights Yes. are a treatment as well. So actually I think

and we have those on our Well, we don't have those lights, but we have the tube lights, two LED lights, three or five. There are five. There's actually more than five there. So, you know, taking those windows out, you know, leaving everything else the same except, you know, even if he shrinks that, he still gets his five required elements and then the roof line would be a separate. Now, would the commission prefer to see a contrasting color at the bottom? We generally don't contrast. We generally go with one color on our buildings. Would you prefer to see like a dark and a light ways coating or light and a dark ways coating? Would you prefer to see a contrasting color? Yes, that'd be nice.

You probably just want white on the bottom, though. We'll probably go dark gray, light gray, gray. Yeah, that would be good. That's interesting. And I I'll let them decide which way they want to go, whether they want to go light at the top or light the bottom. I know it's going to be a black roof. So, no, I don't I'm still confus I thought you wanted to get rid of the dormers. They do. So, that that is a waiver that we're asking. Yes. So, there's two things. But you want window. Oh, you're talking about just those windows. These windows I want to lose. Got it. You want to get the big You're just going to have the rectangular window. Okay. The reason we put the rectangular windows in because a lot of people like to have ambient light when they're working. They don't like to work just with artificial light. And we wanted to make sure they were high enough so nobody could break in.

You got it. Got it. Those were those were intentionally designed that way. I understand that. Okay. So, I got to put the roof line back in. Um and so, right. Yeah. roof line um treatments, expressions, um the massing. So, the massing is having the the top, middle, and bottom um basically to um mirror what we've just discussed. Okay. Yeah. What I know he wants to do a black roof. I know the ownership wants to do a black roof. So, I'll probably do a black roof, a lighter color in the middle, and then a dark color at the bottom.

We got to also talk about the buffer you are. And then you I mean I think where we are at if I may, Mr. Chair, is you got three waivers. One probably the most significant one is the buffer and the only you know you're going to wave the 25 foot buffer that's adjacent to residential but they've offered to have 25 ft on their property adjacent to that and that would just going to have to be in the form of an easement of some kind

and you could have that. So that would be your waiver for that. The second one would be to wave the planning around the dumpster. Uh in low of that they'll be maintained fencing. And the third waiver would be on the building there. They will it's probably easier to to couch the waiver in terms of what you're accepting which would be a roof a roof without the dormers and a um covered entry. Covered entry and a a and a different color for the whatever you call that three Wayne's guarding. An alternating three three colors. So you can you can the waiver for the building you can make it one waiver. So there wouldn't be treatment dormer treatment on the roof and you'd have a covered door without windows beside it and the Wayne's coating would be of a different color. Pro I would probably have it match the roof.

Yeah, I do dark light dark. Yeah, I'm I'm writing it down too. And that you know your standard is is that it's not going to adversely affect neighboring properties. And I I mean I think we all can see that this is a uh basically a warehouse behind another building, but I mean it's where individuals work and it should have a little bit of character. The inside will Yeah, I imagine a boom box or two. Maybe I have learned to build much much nicer tech break facilities here as I get older. And maybe we can group them if you desire. Um let me just double check here. I can't read your writing so it's gonna be

I'm sorry. I'll I'll I'll rewrite it. Okay, let me just check on one more thing. So there is one last one that was mentioned which was so I actually have a let me read what I have. Okay. So, it's roof line expression to match without the dormers but as is. Um massing which is the top, middle and bottom to making those changes as you discussed. Um changes to the prominent entrance requirement which was the the windows. Um you uh yep. And the the the door with the window and then the um uh was the lighting you said was going to be

the lighting we currently use on all of our buildings that we build is a it's a tube LED that lights from the top and the bottom. It's on if you wanted to ride by and look at the building that's there. They're on that building. Okay. Um

because we have spares. And then we have ground level details. Uh which is again the um let me well actually the ground level details you you need five of those and we discussed that you are going to do um what the co the columns are are staying or is the the post staying decently Yeah, they'll just be all right. That's That's

And then I'll I'll keep your I'll come up with a contrasting vertical bullion that may be black because if this is going to be light, it may blend in with the Wayne's coating, but it'll break up above. Okay. Um the belt Yeah. So I I think there might be less than five um which is just a way you know that that's a partial waiver essentially to so you'll have some of the ground level details which is the the ways um you said the metal ways scoding that you plan on doing contrasting ways scoding. Yes. Yeah. Contrasting ways coding. Um the the plints or the um yeah the plints for columns. Um if you should zoom out, let me see how many vertical

and the lighting the lighting um as as mentioned. So it's basically three out of five that is required. It'll still be a coach light. It'll be just a more modern fixture. Okay. Um and then point to it and I'll read I'll say it. Yeah. Yeah. Uh and then there's the screening blank wall. So I you you'll meet some of them but not all of them which you know obviously is um is is is what we discussed. So there will be some of these are sort of duplicative because

screening blank walls is is actually also partially meeting the ground level details requirements. So, um, yeah, I mean, I think it for purposes of motions, depending on where you all are on this, you can you can simply say as presented. Um, because this is, you know, it's as presented with the changes that you're suggesting, no dormers, the the different colors and the shrunken thing and um, you know, the columns exist and you can't if you change anything that's already been presented beyond what we've talked about, then that's an issue. But, yeah. Can you slide out so I can see how many of those vert vertical mullions there are on this drawing?

So essentially they want one on either corner. One, two, three, four. Well, corner bead, corner bead. So they want four vertical mullions breaking up into fourths. That's fine. They might be required for construction. I mean, you know more about that than me. Worst case scenario, it's a it's a piece of aluminum trim panel. It is what it is. I'll make it work. It's it's a decorative feature. It's not right. Exactly. Um yeah, I think there was one last thing that I just wanted to make sure was was covered in the comments. There was also a concealing rooftop equipment. Um there won't be any rooftop equipment. It's a pole building. Okay. Well, then there you go. Can't put anything on the roof.

Well, you can put it up there. It just won't stay there. So in in future submissions, we would just need that um something like that statement like no no equipment needing to be concealed because Okay. There's no Yeah. So um are there any questions from the commission for the application? All right. So the first order business is the buffer your waiver. Um I need to make a motion. Okay.

The um motion should state the document in the form of an easement. Yeah. I'll just say for the waiver, if you're considerate, whoever made the motion would say that we accept a waiver for 25 If they want to do that way, except the waiver for what was right after that except you're going to wave the 25 foot on their property. That's what you said.

Right. They're going to put on this property because they're going to put it on property. They're going to present that. So, should I say we're going to wave the 25 foot buffer? You could say okay because we're conditioning it on Do you have any question about what you have to do as far as

Yeah. might have some language on it as presented by the solicitor. Solicitor. I'm sorry. Just a just a cl point of clarification. There was a discussion I think originally of of 50 foot buffer on the other property since it would be 25 and 25 usually um on one and the other property. So in this case, if there's not one on this one, would there I think there should be a a 50 foot. I think it was recommendation. Right. Right.

You just have to show it on the survey and present it. I you know, it's good to attach the survey to the easement. Y

Okay. Okay, I'm going to make a motion that we accept the waiver as presented by our solicitor. A second. Second. A second. Okay, we have a motion and a second. Make a roll call vote. Uh, Commissioner Roach. Yes. Commissioner Lates, yes. And I vote yes as well. All right. And then the next order of business is the waiver for the dumpster screening. Um it's basically to allow it to remain as is.

I make a motion that we allow the dumpster screening to be remain the same. A second motion second. We'll take a roll call vote. Commissioner Roach. Yes. Commissioner Leates. Yes. Yes. As well. Um, now we have a added waiver for the roof line, whatever it's called, the roof line. Roofline expression. Expression. Line expression. Okay. I make a motion that we accept the roof line expression. Have a waiver for the roof line expression. Okay. I have a motion. Is there a second? I second it. Okay. We have motion second. We'll take a roll call vote. Commissioner Roach. Yes.

Mr. Lease. Yes. Um, yes. as well. Um, massing is next. Pardon me. Massing. Massing. Massing. I make a motion that we have accept the waiver for the massing. I second it as discussed. With the design as discussed. I second. Okay. Move a motion. Second. Roll call. Commissioner Roach. Yes. Commissioner Leates. Yes, Commissioner Roing. Yes, massing. That's a different word. Massing. I think the next one is there, right?

Uh, no, there's a couple more. Um, so there's a it's I guess it's a partial waiver of the prominent entrance, which is the So, you're going to keep some of these but not all of these or so since it's not since the entire requirement is not being waved, we would just call that a partial. Okay. I make a motion for partial waiver of the prominent entrance. I second. Once again, we'll take a roll call. Commissioner Roach. Yes. Mr. Lates, yes. Um, yes. As well.

Um, so we have also a partial waiver of the ground level details to um encompass those um elements that were discussed. I make a motion we have a partial waiver for the ground level details. I second that. You have a motion second. Commissioner Roach. Yes. Commissioner Lee. Yes. Yes. As well. Um and then lastly is a waiver from uh screening blank walls requirement. Um to uh I guess really it's a partial waiver because some of that is happening with the the decorative mullions. Um, so,

okay. I make a motion for partial a waiver for partial screening of the blank walls. I second that. We have a motion to second. Uh, take a roll call. Commissioner Roach. Yes. Mr. Leates. Yes. Yes. As well. I think that's Yeah, that we need this one here. Oh, the roof line expression. No, the the actual site line site plan approval motion to approve the application for preliminary site plan as presented with everything the conditions we've discussed. I second that.

Okay, we have a motion to second. We'll take a roll call vote. Commissioner Roach, yes. Mr. Leates, yes. I'm as well. I think you have what you need.

So, just as of course as a disclaimer. So once once the comments as discussed tonight and the comments that remain on the letter um are resubmitted and um reviewed there is just the finer details of the final plan submission that is an administrative approval. Um so so no more um so plan commission does not is not required. Okay.

All right. Good luck. Thank you. Okay. Good to meet you. I want to shake your hand. I'm one of your I'm one of your de I purchase all my cars from you. Oh, so thank you. Thank you. Thank you all very much. You're welcome. All right. I do not believe there's anybody on Zoom to make public comments. Um

okay. Community development report. Okay, this should be easier.

So much that I mentioned last time still applies. The um December 8th town council meeting will be um they will be voting on the cottage community ordinance. Um so um also actually there it would be an opportunity for all to um to also see that we're we're actually presenting um and releasing I guess for public comment the draft of the downtown development district update plan um for uh so that will be discussed at that meeting too by myself. So, um, if you're watching there and again, as I mentioned last time, um, we are down a member of the board of adjustment. Um, so we have had trouble finding, uh, interested candidates. So if you again if you know anyone who might be interested who of course um is a bonafide resident of Georgetown as well as someone who is interested in planning and development issues that would serve on that would want to serve on the board of adjustment um please let me know and then I can direct them to the committee interest form on the website to fill out and that's it.

Any questions for Brian? Is there a motion to adjurnn? So moved. Second. All in favor? I. Yes. Thank you, Tim. Happy holiday. That's right. Happy holidays, everyone. So, we're done for the month. Yes. So, yeah, we will be canceling the what would be the third Wednesday meeting. Yippee. This is a