Parks and Recreation Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening, everyone. It is now 6 p.m., and I am calling the August 10th meeting of the City of Fullerton Parks and Recreation Commission meeting to order. Our first order of business is the flag salute.

Can we please stand? Face the flag. Right hand over your heart. Ready, begin.

Thank you commissioner and with that we have a new commissioner that we need to swear in so I'll pass that to Christian.

Before we do that we're going to do roll call.

I'm just kidding. We're going to do the roll call and then we're going to do what I just said so.

Good evening. Chair McKendree.

Here.

Vice chair Freeman is out today. Commissioner Maldonado.

Here.

Commissioner Zalavera.

Here.

And Commissioner Kim.

And with that, we will do the swearing in of our new commissioner.

All right. We have our city clerk.

Clerk, and I would like to welcome your new commissioner. And to make him official, we will do your oath of office. You will raise your right hand. And I promise I'll do this in slow bits. This will be gentle. So I state your name, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of California against all enemies, foreign and domestic. That I will bear true faith and allegiance. To the Constitution of the United States. And the Constitution of the state of California. That I take this obligation freely. Without any mental reservation. Or purpose of evasion. And that I will well and faithfully. Discharge the duties upon which I'm about to enter. Congratulations. I just need you to. With the chair's permission I'll just roll right into the next item though if that's OK. If you've watched any of the other meetings I've made this presentation at, I always joke I'm kind of like HR for the committees, and no one's ever excited to hear from me. So just pretend like you're excited about this stuff along with me. If you're a government nerd, this is interesting. But the state adopted a new bill, Senate Bill 707, late last year. Some of it became applicable in January. Some of it became applicable on July 1. And quite a bit of it will apply to you. So I just want to let you know what the new rules are. On the next slide, we talk about the bill updates the California Brown Act. And that is a bill that is a transparency law for legislative bodies in California. We've done training on Brown Act generally. I'm always, you guys probably know, probably tell you more about it than you want to know. So stop me if you ever ask me in the hallway about it and tell me it's enough. I got what I needed. We won't get into the details of the Brown Act. itself too much but just a quick overview is just remember it's the California open meeting law the business of the public of what you do up here has to open at a public meeting and apparently some people got the message because you have a good crowd tonight and the public has a right to participate in your deliberations and that is done through public comments So next slide I'll just let you know that the Brown Act requires that all your meetings be properly agendized and That we have an agenda posted in all the legal posting places including the website and outside in our posting board again I've already mentioned you have to take public comment before you vote on any of your items and it doesn't define what's in a legal meeting which in a nutshell is a a discussion amongst a quorum of the of the committee or commission outside of being up here at the dais while you're discussing business now the next slide we talked a little bit about the new bill um since covid there's been a lot of trying to adjust to modern settings with the brown act and allow remote participation in emergencies and if you're sick and you call in that morning we can find a way to get you to remote in or you can do it under the traditional brown act rules where you post your address on the agenda uh... in advance of the posting and you can call in remotely from there uh... a lot of those rules are going not the traditional ones but the other ones are going to sunset this year so this bill took all that Attempted to make it a little easier to understand and now added a new sunset. So now that'll go through 2030 So don't memorize the details But just know if you need to remote in for some reason call calls call Suzy or call me Call Suzy and then she'll call me That way she'll learn to rules too. She knows them And we'll figure out if your situation requires traditional posting or if we can if you're sick the morning of the meeting or something if you still want to call it we'll get you set up for that. So if you really want to know all the rules can talk to me later and book a lot of time because I can when I have a captive audience about this stuff I talk too much about it. On the next slide. uh it also expands public access so a big part of senate bill 707 was to make sure more people could participate in meetings i don't think we have that problem in fullerton necessarily but uh we'll still we'll still comply with that it allows um we're really lucky we in some ways we uh went to the remote participation for the public side of things during covid and we never went away A lot of cities did a temporary set up got rid of all their AV set up pointing over here because that's where all the tech is got their AV set up for the remote participation and then once COVID was done they went back to fully in person. All those cities were ones that somehow never went to remote or had to scramble with about eight months to set up all the tech in their chambers to go back to doing the remote. public calling in so I just sat back and got to watch on this part because we were already in good shape there but it does require it now so we can never get rid of it at least while this bills in place it might get mentioned and modernize the teleconferencing rules and there's also a part in the bill that talks about Language access I'm not gonna get into that because there's another bill on the books right now or on the in a legislature right now That might change all that and repeal this part and then maybe come back next legis legislative session with something that does even more so TBD on that part, but it did have some language access and It does apply to all kinds of groups. In a nutshell, we qualify. But if you're curious, if you're talking to some of your compatriots in other cities that don't have these rules, it's possible they don't. They might be a small enough city and a small enough county where it doesn't apply to them. There is a distinction between an eligible legislative body and ELB, which is city council, And if you go to the next slide, I did say quite nicely with this. There's also an eligible subsidiary body, the ESBs, and that's everybody, the commissions committees that were created by city council, so you. Not all the rules will apply to you, which is nice. You don't have to remember as much, but just so you know, if you hear, well, my city council has to do this, the law may not apply to you as a commission. On the next page, I talked a little bit about the phasing. In phase one, we were required by January 1st to give everybody training in brown act distribution. I'm sure you all remember the email I sent you with the link. Just say yes. We talked about the updated participation rules. Some of those kicked in. You've probably heard me mention that Discussing things with the quorum even on social media even like thumbs ups and likes can sometimes be considered an illegal Meeting or an and or an illegal meeting depending how you do it Those rules were in a pilot program. Those are now permanent So good luck scrolling through 3,000 comments on something to see if you have two other committee members who've also given it a thumbs up before you join in But the rules are there Yeah. Oh yeah. Interrupt me with questions. I should have said that too.

No worries. And that's coming from personal accounts.

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah. If it's city business it doesn't matter where it's coming from. It's city business.

Perfect.

So just stay off social media and your mental health will probably be better too. Phase 2 kicked in on July 1st. That's the part that required a full two-way public access to meetings. We are already covered there. Required a technology disruption policy adopted by council. Council took care of that. And again, that language piece, which we're not going to get into because it might be going away. But if it doesn't go away, we've got it covered. Next slide also talks a little bit more about the first phase. It also required under the remote access there's ADA accommodations now for remote participation. I kind of assumed that was already in there as ADA but the legislation memorialized that so now it's very clear. Also there is something in the Brown Act that talks about how you can remove disruptive participants from meetings. You have to give them a couple of warnings. There's a process. We all kind of assumed that it would also apply online, but the bill just made it very clear that, yes, it does apply to remote participants also. So just in case, you can just give them their warnings and then disconnect them. So that won't happen here, I hope. So that's the rule for that. There's something in there about department head compensation reporting that won't happen at your meetings, so you don't have to worry about that part. We also talked about that remote participation, and I don't know if you heard me talking about it. If you call in sick, you can only remote in so many times a year, things like that. There is a limit to the usage. They've adjusted those so it's a little more generous, but they are still there. And, again, the disclosure where if you remote in under one of those rules, you have to disclose who over the age of 18 is in the room with you while you're doing the remote meeting if you're not open to the public also. So, again, you don't have to memorize that. We'll walk you through it if you get to that point. You want to memorize it you should come work in my office, so we'll take you And then I'm face to which is on the next slide we talked about Mandatory two-way at mandatory two-way access for the City Council. It's optional for the committee's what we've been doing it all along So it's pretty much been come mandatory by public demand in Fullerton. Anyway, there are some things about how your website has to be Set up and then again this language stuff that we probably won't have to worry about We'll see where that bill goes, but we don't hit the threshold for the 20% rule anyway Which is where 20% of any group saying they speak English as a second language if they any 20% or more that group claims they also Speak it less than well I'm sorry there's a lot of double negatives and explaining that then we would have to provide languages in our agendas in that language. We didn't hit the 20 percent threshold in Fullerton so. So what does this mean for you. So those just cause rules for your remote participation apply. The public can participate remotely. We have to put the public participation information on the agenda. And also we have a remote participation disruption policy. And that is in this handout I left for you. Council updated the Rules of Procedure recently. I left it in markup so it's easier for you to see the highlights. There is just some cleanup language where there was one meeting where neither the chair or vice chair showed up, and the committee wasn't quite sure who was supposed to be in charge. So we just put that in there to say the committee will vote amongst themselves for someone to run the meeting for that night. Pretty innocuous stuff, but it's helpful. Again in the in the trying not to be too hre with you guys But you will have one more training required in addition to the ethics and harassment prevention We also state now has financial training So as soon as I'm done with the election filing period we'll start gearing up for getting you guys trained with that but the big part towards the back is the technology disruption policy and per this policy if there is a technology disruption, which is a Even in this day and age, a lot of people don't know how to turn on their microphone in Zoom. If someone's on Zoom at home, so maybe someone will never be able to remote in. If someone at home is having a them problem, for lack of a better way to describe it, that can't use Zoom properly, but everybody else can, that's not a technology disruption. But if the Wi-Fi is down, There was one meeting where for some reason our multi factor authentication was not letting me log into zoom and council was about to start and hopefully no one thought what I was muttering under my breath on the microphone while it wasn't working. But when something on our end happens that prevents the remote participation then you have to stop. You'll recess the meeting. Hopefully your secretary or someone who finds out will let you know and say, excuse me, Chair, we need to recess. And then you have to take up to an hour per the law to try to remedy the situation. And we'll have to document in the minutes what steps were taken. If you fix it, great. Just reconvene your meeting. Keep on going. If you can't fix it after that hour, the procedures here. You vote to take a finding that the need to continue outweighs the need to be able to participate remotely, and then you go on with your meeting. And in that time, I believe the reason for that length of time is the intent is the legislature says, well, if anybody really wants to participate, you'll have ample time to get to council chambers and do it in person if you so want to if there's no remote access. So that's the biggest change for you. But everybody pray to the tech gods before you get here every meeting, and we should be fine.

That's a lot in a short amount of time, but I know you want to park and rec and not city clerk at this meeting So I just wanted to give you a quick update if you have any other questions Yes, yeah, I have one for the social media posting let's say does that so on my personal account if I repost or I like like a city post and then one of the other Commissioner does as well that also so

It's a fine line between personal and your your public life. Okay, it's it's The attorney me says air do it with caution Take the most conservative approach if you're not sure we can always find out for you and sometimes it's on case-by-case basis I guess maybe the clarifier would be if it is simply a marketing post by the Parks and Rec Commission safe to reshare and like yeah if it's a discussion of

and you're engaging in discussion or liking or disliking a discussion, that might be out of bounds.

Yeah, but something that you're going to end up on, it's going to end up on your agenda, probably better to not do it. So, yeah. Great. Go forth and recreate. Thank you.

One more question. Sorry, Lucinda. Oh, yeah. You said you, the city identified that we were, how do we identify that we didn't meet the 20% threshold?

It was through the American Survey, American Cities, ACS. Did I get that right? American Cities Survey. Yeah. Okay. It was their numbers.

Based on that?

Yeah.

On population that, okay.

Yeah and we'll see if the bill is still in place and when the next year's data come out we'd be reassessing every time. I have a feeling it's going to go away and we'll come back with something possibly even more comprehensive citywide is what what I'm hearing from Sacramento. OK. Perfect.

Yeah I just wanted to just wanted to ask. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. All right. Moving on is are there any other staff presentations.

DIRECTOR HERSEY- Good evening chair. Yes we actually have two additional presentations but first we have our Fullerton aquatic programming presentation which we do have members here for short fast that will be sharing information on their program and their operations at our two city pools. So I can think we have representatives here that will be presenting.

You do the slide. Okay, great. Thank you. Good evening. I'm Brian Brown. I'm the head coach and COO for the Fullerton Aquatic Sports Team. I have my management staff here. Our development director is Lauren Morford. Our swim school director is Christina Reese, and our aquatics director is John Jameson. At different points during the presentation, I may ask them to comment on a slide or two so you can hear from their perspective what we're doing and everything. So I've been here since 2011, and Lauren as well came here in 2011. We're swim coaches. She was a swimmer. She represented FAST at the 2012 Olympic Trials. uh, and then went on to become a coach and eventually moved into sort of the important work, you know, the behind the scenes type stuff. So, um, Christina is, uh, was here when I got here and she's not going to be entering her 21st year with Bolton Aquatics as running the swim school. So it's pretty amazing. John, uh, came to us through his involvement with our lap swimming program. He came, he was just a lap swimmer and became interested, and now he's a top-notch instructor for lifeguarding, and we're glad to have him aboard. So I say all that just to sort of give you a picture of who we are and how we got involved with FAST and that sort of a thing. More about our organization, we've got 65 staff members, 45, that's in the summer time, 45 from September to May. A vast majority of those are lifeguards and swimming instructors. There's also quite a number of coaches involved because we have seasonal programs in addition to year-round swimming programs. So something that I was made aware of, 40% of our staff are homegrown, meaning they came through FAST. Many of them learned how to swim at FAST over at Independence Park or indoors at the community center. And then they became a lifeguard or they became a coach and then they moved on to full-time or part-time activity with us. So really, really proud of that. It shows their love that they have for the sport. and the care that they take with the students that they have. So I'm very proud of that. A lot of them come back after college, and we're a second job for them. Yeah, there you go. Our second thing is our mission. And I'm going to ask Lauren to talk about this. Why don't you come up and give us your impression of what we're doing.

Our mission simply is to provide excellent recreational, developmental, and competitive opportunities for everyone who loves the water. So there's a wide range of experiences in the water. We've got water aerobics, particularly with senior citizen population. lap swimmers who start with us in their 20s and stay with us for well into adulthood and competitive opportunities. Many of those kids start in our swim school. But overall we define excellence as quality and consistency. We aim to have exceptional programs that are highly regarded. regionally nationally and locally year round with minimal interruptions. That's really important to us so that patrons and families know that they can count on us. Some examples of this are in the swim lessons program. There's additional options in the summer because there's more pool time kids are out of school there's more time available along with the ability to keep the same day and same time that families have for the lessons year round. They can keep that and add lessons or switch to summer lessons. But there's high quality options for whatever will work for their family. And for lap swimmers high quality means minimal closures. We have very consistent staff. John personally lifeguards a lot of our lap swimming and he's a full time staff so we're not calling in for lifeguards on random days, and the ability to come in and do what they want to do for their workout, for the lap swim. I don't know if anyone is a lap swimmer or has been to lap swim, but it can get pretty chaotic, and you can't really rely on your time or your space. You're stuck behind a slow brush stroker. You're going to get kicked in the face. It can be not a pleasant experience. So the way that we've structured it, You have dedicated time and space for your work out and people really really appreciate that. And we've been a partner with the city they've supported that. supported these year-round opportunities for over 20 years we've worked together and they've supported year-round operations administratively Rachel's been around for a lot of this and when we expanded when the indoor pool was added to the community resources and also through maintenance and through our relationships with those staff. So we're really grateful to have a supportive partner that supports our goals. So thank you.

Thanks, Lauren. I do want to mention one other program that she didn't mention, which is our master's program, which is a competitive program for adults. So if you come by the pool any Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 6 a.m., you're going to see 30 to 40 people doing a workout from 6 to 7 a.m. If you don't want to come that early, come at 7 on Saturday. You'll see the same thing. And those people really appreciate that they have a set schedule and they don't get moved around hardly ever. And so that's a really important thing, the consistency. Let's see. I'm going to move on to our background. There you go. For 22 years, we've provided high-quality programs to the community. A little bit of the history of FAST has been a team since 1975. It was a team that was brought together out of two teams. When the pool was built at Independence Park in 1976, there was Fullerton Aquatics at another facility, and there was Anaheim Swim Team. Those two teams came together and came up with a fancy name fast, right? It's attractive. So since 1976, we've been operating at that pool, so 50 years. But in 2004, my predecessor was approached by the city and said that the plan was to shut the pool down except for the summer months. So it would be only in the summer. With the help of the community and staff and our own members we lobbied the city to come up with an arrangement that was mutually beneficial. By that I mean we took on a lot of the costs that it is that happened with running a pool in 2004 initially it was the programming the programming so we provide all the lifeguards do all the lap swim. and then do all of the swim lessons. At that time, it was only summer swim lessons, but we do all of those things, and in addition to paying rent, but that kept it open. That arrangement has evolved over the time. I mean, I got here in 2011, and it had already been altered somewhat, but things that have happened that we've taken on in order to make the program work, in order to keep the facility open for city and for our use and for the community is we do all the janitorial all the lawn maintenance that has to be done there and most importantly and most expensively all the pool cleaning not the actual pump room which city still controls all of that but the vacuuming of the pool and if you've been over there it's a gigantic pool so vacuuming that and keeping it all clean is what our people, we were doing it for a while and then we were able to hire out and have a professional company do it. So I say all of that just to reinforce that we're not just there using it and renting it, we're contributing to the operation as well. Because our goal is to keep it open. So we're proud of that and we're one of the very few nonprofit swim team aquatic organizations that has that scope of responsibility. And so fortunately I have great people working with me and we get it done so. Yeah. There is a bullet point up there about COVID-19. That was a very, very challenging time for us, as it was for most businesses. And I will say, we made changes to our structure that allowed us to not only get through that period, because we were closed a lot, but also come back with better programming. What Lauren was describing with the lap swimming program Most lap swimming facilities have a policy where you pay your money and you show up and you hop in a lane and you do whatever you want. I've seen many fist fights from that kind of arrangement, and there's hardly anybody sharing a lane that is ever the same speed as somebody else, right? So we went to, because of COVID, we had to limit access. So it was a limited number of people per lane. But what we discovered was that people liked that a lot because they had their own time and space. And so I felt like we developed something that now distinguishes us from other lap swimming experiences. People can come, they pay their, it's $4, and they get at least half of a lane to swim back and forth. They don't have to swim in a circle or around people or under and all that sort of thing. So what that does is it, Ultimately, it limits the number of people that you can have per hour, but it's a much more orderly and pleasant experience for people that do it, and we get a lot of positive feedback from that. So the one thing I would say, too, about COVID that was a challenge that we overcame is that we have a very strong swim school. A lot of kids participate, and I'm going to let Christina talk about that in a moment. But during COVID, because of the nature of swimming where you have to handle children, we were not allowed to operate. So for a year, the most vibrant part of our program financially did not exist. We didn't have that. So we had to make a lot of changes to keep things going. what happened was again we became more efficient and we have the models that we have now and it seems to be working pretty well. So Christina as I said she's in her 20th year with FAST. So I'm going to turn it over to her and she's going to speak about our programming indoors.

CHRISTINA REESE My name is Christina Reese and I am the FAST FEM school director. Like they said I have been here since 2005. I also swam for FAST back in the 90s and I also became a competitive swimmer for them. So I am part of that 47 percent that they were saying where it is homegrown. I'm excited to share with you guys a little bit of our FAST swim school and more importantly our community programs. So currently right now we have over 600 swimmers in our fast swim school program and over the summer we taught over 1200 swimmers. So not only is our program more than just a place where people learn how to swim we provide opportunities for people of all ages abilities to build water safety skills confidence fitness and a lifelong love of swimming. As you can see those are all the programs that we do provide. And we do serve over sixteen hundred people each week six days a week through a variety of all these programs including the youth and adult learn how to swim programs lap swimming water aerobics rec swim pool parties and swim team preparations. For me FAST is especially meaningful because I said before I've been here for 20 years. I have had the opportunity to see firsthand how swimming can impact individuals and families not only by teaching an important life-saving skill, but also by creating confidence, discipline, and a sense of community.

Thank you. So, Christine is in charge of the indoor aspect of our programs, but also in the summer, we run outdoor lessons. So, We have indoor lessons year-round and then in the summer. Part of the original agreement that was signed in 2004 was that FAST would provide low-cost learn-to-swim lessons outdoors in the summer. So we do that. And, Christina, do you have a rough number of how many people are in the outdoor? Yes. Okay. So, you know, that's a very vibrant program as well. As you come in on a weekday morning at about 10 o'clock, And there's a bunch of little kids coming into the small pool that we have at Independence Park. And they learn how to swim at a very reasonable price. So we're proud of that, and it's a very successful program. Some of those people move on to year-round lessons. Some of those people move on to our summer league team, which is a swim team for beginners. And then some of those people eventually wind up swimming on the year-round team and or become our instructors. Again, it's a holistic kind of arrangement. Let's see. We're on community programs. I think she covered everything that's happening. These are the ones that happen at the outdoor pool. So I was going to ask John to discuss, since he's our aquatics director, primarily at the outdoor pool, he'll discuss these things.

John Jameson I'm the Aquatics Director for FAST. And lap swim is near and dear to my heart. I was a lap swimmer myself at Janet Evans coming out of the pandemic. That was my first exposure to this place. I fell in love with the pool and with other swimmers that I'd see each day. Then when the when I realized it was the FAST staff that was making the sense of community possible I asked for a job there. Since that time we've expanded our public offerings including lap swim which has grown from 10 hours a week to 26 hours a week. We were able to expand lap swim by both attracting new swimmers and by creating them with our newer adult lessons program. Now there's hardly a lap swim session where you can't see our adult students practicing their drills in the lanes. And just what Brian was talking about about how valuable that is to be able to have their own space. Often people are too intimidated to join lap swim and now we have brand new people that are just barely learning to float coming to lap swim to practice. Some of these students have become lifelong swimmers. Some have completed Ironman triathlons. Some have joined our U.S. Masters swim program closing the loop on a system that not only welcomes new adult swimmers to our community but that helps them to rise to any level of achievement that they desire.

And the next one would be. This is some of the details of the community programs. Lap swim Tuesday through Saturday and Tuesday through Sunday in the summer. We have three one-hour slots. It's $4 to come. Recreational swim happens in the summer, and that is $2 for three hours. Come and splash around and bring your picnic basket. Master swimming, as I said already, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and then Saturday. $90 a month or it was $10 a workout. We have over, we have about 60 registered. You have to register with USA Masters Swimming for insurance reasons. So we have about 60 that are registered full-time for that. Another 30 that are drop-ins. It's close to 90 people that are participating on and off in that program. Summer swim team is what I said. It's two nights a week. And it runs for eight weeks and $180 per swimmer. They have a championship meet at the end. They get a suit and they get a cap and it's a lot of fun. It's the first experience that children have to competitive swimming. And it's really fun to be a part of. And a lot of the older swimmers that we have, whether they be high school seniors or in college and they're back for the summer, are our coaches for that program. Youth swim lessons I just described, those are $7.50 per class, and they happen in the summer. And adult lessons, which John has really kick-started, again, $7.50 per class. And every day I come in, and half the time, one of the students will basically say something to me to the effect of, I can't believe that I'm learning how to swim at this age. And that's really music to my ears. You know, not everybody has to be a competitive swimmer, but swimming safety is incredibly important. And it's like riding a bike, only you don't get killed if you can't ride a bike. So we really are passionate about having people be water safe. And the facility that we have is magnificent. is really ideal for it because we have the small pool, which is shallow, from three feet to five feet, and then the main pool is four feet, then it goes down to eight feet, but at four feet, all adults can stand up, and that really makes a difference when you're trying to teach someone if you can remove that fear factor. So it's a great opportunity for us and for the community. Is there another one? Oh, yeah, it was there an indoor one too. I think maybe before that. Yeah, that these are for the indoor indoor pool opened in 2012. And, um, so the city came to us and asked us to operate it and provide the programming, et cetera. Same kind of arrangement where we do the programming and all the lifeguards and everything else. Um, but, um, We have lap swim. That's afternoon and evening hours. And again, those are $4. That is only a six-lane pool, so we don't take a whole lot of people at once, but it seems to be sufficient for the interest that we have in that. And then recreational swim is on Saturdays, $2 for a two-hour slot on Saturdays. And youth swim lessons, those are $2 to $6.30 and $28 per class. So significantly different than the summer lessons, but the student to teacher ratio is much different in those as well. That's the difference. The curriculum is the same. The student to teacher ratio is the big difference. Water aerobics, we have Tuesdays and Thursdays for an hour and Friday for an hour, $6 per class. Those are very active classes. You can get up to 30 people in there, perhaps. All of those things are what we're doing to serve the community. And so the indoor pool has been a great addition to what we're able to offer because when I first got here in 2011 and we had only the outdoor pool to provide lessons, for most of the year it's too cold for learning swimmers, little children. They're learning how to swim. So you had basically three months, maybe four, that you could work with, and then only certain times a day. And the indoor pool came along. We have a controlled environment. We're able to run year-round. So that's why you have those much higher numbers. Christina said 1,600, I think, is what it was. But that was like per session or something. Yeah, so we used to – I remember when I first got here, we had only 300 that we were teaching at one time. So it's five times as many people were able to affect and that's that's good. It feels good to be able to do that. So we should move forward on past that and past that. And one more. Oh yes some feedback that we've gotten over the years from the community wanted to read a few quotes. From a lap swimmer, thank you for providing a superb lap swimming experience. The check-in process is efficient. The cleanliness, space, and temperature of the pool are much better than nearby pools. Staff are helpful and professional. You know, when people take the time to say something nice, I always take it means twice as much as what they're saying because it's easy to complain. A lot of people are, when they share positive things, it's really important that we note it. and share it when we have the opportunity. You can read those. We tried all nearby teams, and I have to say fast is the best one considering the professionalism level. So that's from a swim team prep parent, and that means we have a system where they learn how to swim, and then the swim team prep is you have one lesson and one practice. So you're transitioning from a learning swimmer to a learning competitive swimmer. And that's what that means by a swim team prep. And then they will move on to the swim team. So I think we can move on to next. Oh, yeah. Thank you. That one? OK. We have participants from all over a lot from Orange County and from Los Angeles counties and she lists all the it's. The team that the cities that are in our database there so we have database of lap swimmers have a database of people that take lessons we have a database of people that are on the swim team so people are coming from a wide area to swim at our facility we have. Swim competitions at our pool. We have in-house ones that serve our team, so it might be 100 kids in a meet or maybe 200. And then we have ones that are open to neighboring teams in other cities two to three times a year. And they come in, and you could get anywhere from 300. This summer, we had 860 people in our championship. It's a four-day championship, and it's right there, the 26 Summer Age Group Championships. So 860 swimmers, and when they bring mom and dad and grandma, that's 2,000 people that are coming into the city four days in a row, having lunch, having dinner, spending the night, whatever. So it's a very vibrant thing, and it's because of the quality of the competition that we run, and it's because of the facility, too. The facility is – I don't think that's mine – is – It's very large. It has a lot of space around it. So people can come, set up their tents, set up their chairs, be comfortable all weekend while they're watching their children swim. Is that it? Because this was built, the facility, when it was built, was built as a regional. It wasn't built just as a city facility. It's a regional facility. So we're meeting that expectation, right? attracting people from around the region and also hosting events that serve the region. What was next? Oh, our competitive success. Yeah. This is the fun part that we get to talk to. We have almost 300 kids on the swim team from basically from 8 to 18. We have a couple of kids that may be younger than 8 and a couple of kids that are still with us if their college doesn't, and we have some that have no swim team in their college and they continue swimming with us, that sort of thing. But we're part of Southern California Swimming, which is the largest organization of swimming within the United States. So United States Swimming and Southern California Swimming is part of that. There's 20,000 members in that. And it goes from Las Vegas to San Diego to Paso Robles. 13% of the country, 13% of the country's Olympic trials qualifiers in 2021, remember it got, it was supposed to be 2020, but of course it happened in 21. We had three of them. We had three that were there. So three out of 300 is not bad. Because it's a very high level, very high level to get there. And we had one boy that was 17 years old. He swims at Cal now. Only 5% of the competitors at that Olympic trials were 18 or younger. So it was a pretty exclusive group. The colleges, some of the colleges that we have graduates from just recently are American University, Cal Berkeley, Cal State Long Beach, Fordham, Johns Hopkins, Occidental, SMU, UC Davis, UCLA, UCSD, USC, University of Hawaii, UNLV, Washington University in St. Louis, College of William and Mary, and I could probably name a few more if you really pressed me. But the point is we're developing athletes to be as best that they can be And if they want to swim in college, they are ready to do so. So we feel like that's what our goal is. What's next? Oh, this is the best slide of all. Okay, thank you. Do you have any questions? Does the commission have any questions?

I have one. Yeah, I'm going to say one.

So I was talking to a few people, and they loved the LAP program. They were interested into the prospect of you guys ever opening additional classes or LAP programming in the morning for indoor. I know you guys have it at 6 AM for outdoor, but would there ever be a chance to expand that to indoor as well?

Um, we, we had that for a while and we have the numbers and our participation level was two to four people.

Okay.

And, um, basically when you're staffing, uh, lifeguard at 18 or $22 and you have to have two, um, it doesn't pencil out very well. Right. So, um, when I say we made adjustments to our program for COVID, that was one of, that was one of them. I see.

Okay. Yeah. Is there any Programs to where you're seeing like that there's more requests than there is capacity at the moment Is it like an issue of, let's say, funding that is keeping, so we can't expand those kind of programs? Oh, I see. I gotcha.

So if it's indoors, we have lap swimming two nights a week. And instead, we could have lessons in there instead. But we made a decision to.

No, and that makes perfect sense. Thank you. Thank you for the answer.

Yeah, you're welcome.

Any other questions from commissioners?

I have one. First of all, I'd love to commend your program. I think partnerships like this are very important in the community. For myself as a parent, I wanted to always make sure that my kids were drown-proof if I could, and that's why they learned how to swim and they participated in water polo and all of that. One of the concerns I have and that I would ask you, for me, it's always accessibility for all the residents in the city and to be able to fully access and take advantage of the wonderful programs that you have. So I would ask you, what are your concerns in being able to serve the community and Expand the program or maintain the program Sustainability and if there are any issues that I'm not quite familiar with I'm new to the Commission here So I'd love to they kind of hear some of those things and how how can we support you better?

I think if you come and look at the Basically, you're talking about lap swimming and access that way. Those are pretty vibrant during the times that we have them. And when I first got here, the pool was open more. We also paid $6.75 an hour in 2011 versus 18 to keep it open. And there were many, many times when you'd see nobody in the pool. or you'd see three people in the pool, or it's raining. I mean, you still can see that if it's raining. So we had to sort of figure out where's the sweet spot that keeps us operating and then also serves our commitment to the city. So when I said that we were paying for janitorial, we were paying for lawn, what is it, yard? landscaping, excuse me, that's the word. We're paying for the pool to be kept clean. These were all things that we were not responsible for when we first started. And those things cost money. So we're looking at other... The city arrangement is going to evolve. And potentially... We would be responsible for more costs. So we only want to take on things that make money, honestly. And I'm just trying to be honest. When you have that many people, that few people, and that large of an outlay, it doesn't make a lot of sense. So if there's a way to get out from under the financial responsibilities that we have, then we can provide more services is the original agreement that we had was we paid a nominal rent this is in 2004 which we're paying much more than now than then and all we had to do is provide the services lifeguarding lap swimming learn to swim in the summer and so we're still doing all those things that we're required to do but we have to do more One, because we have the facility to do it, and two, because we have the responsibility to pay for it. So did that answer?

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Appreciate it. I have a few questions for you. So in your mission, you you stated you have a recreational development and a competitive. What percentage of each of those do you feel like FAST is operating currently in? That's a good question. What's your percentage of recreational use, developmental, and then competitive?

Competitive is the smallest because we have only 300, not quite 300.

No, but as far as operational, you're operating, so like 15%, 20% of, the pool use is designated for competitive, for developmental. So if you break those programs down, which bucket do those fall under of those three? And do you know kind of the percentages?

I hadn't thought about it time-wise, but if I think about it, the largest amount of time, because we have the indoor pool, is spent towards developmental, because you have lessons that are six days a week, and those go from 2.30 to 6.30 or something like that. And then the swim team practices are from 4 to 7. That's three hours there, six days a week. And then as far as the community goes, John stated we had, what was it, 26? 26 lap swim hours per week. More in the summer?

Yes.

And so I didn't think about it percentage-wise, but I don't think they're that different. It's just that it's different times of day.

So recreational is not different from competitive.

Recreational meaning lap swim and rec and. Recreational swim means for youth. It'd be a little bit less and it's different during the years. Different different.

So they're different in a sense. Yeah. OK. Yeah. Just making sure. Yeah no just just wondering I don't know if any of the staff knows like about. Yeah, that'd be great. Awesome, thank you. And then, do you know the percentage of Fullerton residents that are using your facilities? I have no idea. No? You were able to track that out of state or out of the city, folks?

Not percentage-wise.

Oh, okay. Yeah, percentage, 50%, 60%. Of the city? Yeah, just wondering. Okay. All right. It looks like a lot of this data might be that you guys might have to find. And then, OK. Anyone else have? Do you have some?

I don't have questions, but I have comments. So if you have any more questions, you're free to ask.

Yeah. So is anything free at either of the pool sites?

No.

Free? OK.

Yeah.

Yeah. No, definitely. No, I was just wondering if there was anything that was free and available to the community at any of their sites, either the indoor or the outdoor.

Just what they described. Yeah.

yeah no no i mean again i'm just usually right like when you advertise something free it's you know you want you want some skin in the game i understand that the two dollar concept for sure um you want people to kind of come in so when you do open swim uh or recreational swim Is the whole pool available for that time? So there's no other activities or other programs happening at that time? So it's closing the whole pool?

In the outdoor pool, the main pool is for lap swimming. It's for adults.

Only?

Yes.

Like ever?

Yes.

OK.

Yes. That prevents a lot of the chaos that happens when kids are running and jumping around while people are swimming. accidents happen. The small pool, if you can picture the facility, is open.

That's open swim, okay. So the larger ones, if you had like teenage kids, you know, that wanted to kind of run around in the pool, that's also taken up by either lap swimming or some other program that's happening simultaneously.

It would be lap swimming. Okay, okay.

And then the indoor pool, so those two hours on the Sunday, is that completely open? No. Yeah, only open, so I'm just splashed around kids, yeah. For sure, yeah.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah, no, perfect. And then you also referred to the people you serve as members. So is there like a membership fee that people sign up for?

I did say members. They become members of the swim team. OK. The people that swim laps are not members. They are part of the community.

OK. Awesome.

All right, I have no questions, but I do have a couple comments first I will add to your testimonial I Learned how to swim at Independence Park in that pool. So I was seven years old I think right around the time of the 84 Olympics dates me but He might be asking for a job But also affirming how great it is to have a partnership with a partner that's willing to maintain not only the pool areas but the programs that you're offering. And I think forward to the opportunity that is the 28 Olympics and think about who is the next Janet Evans, who is the next Olympic trials swimmer that is going to put Fullerton on the map for swimming. And then I think about what there might be in terms of opportunity with you know, with staff here to collaborate and bring together the community around that particular event. So it's something to think about over the next, you know, 12 months is how we really activate the resources that we have in our partnerships and certainly in, you know, the facilities that we have that a lot of cities would kill to have. And so how do we provide access to youth and maybe motivate them. I had plenty of friends that not only were swimmers in high school and went on to college, but played water polo, went on to college playing water polo. Like I said, I learned to swim. I'm not a good swimmer, but I can swim. But I just think none of this is possible without partnership. And I think the storied partnership that is fast in the city of Fullerton is a good one. And so I think as we move forward, we just need to continue to think about how do we help each other. And I've heard you say a couple times about fee structures and things, and I understand that. However, what we're doing now, 25 years since the year 2001, is a lot more expensive than what we were doing back then. And so things over time grow in terms of cost. But at the same time, if we can provide access at a nominal or free cost to some of our citizens on occasion, especially as we rally the troops around the Olympics and thinking about that. It's something to think about. So we appreciate you for coming tonight and presenting. And if there's no more questions. I have one more.

How do you market to the community?

Most of the marketing goes through the city city connect city connect.

The indoors. Fairly new. Awesome. One last question, I think this was kind of triggered from one of the presentations that staff gave to us. So I wasn't aware that a Fullerton resident can rent one of the pools. How many pool rentals do you guys get about a year? Sure, Eche, was that what you?

Yes, that's at the community center, that's a service we offer. Okay, yeah, pool rental. They, uh, fast provides lifeguards.

Okay.

So like about how many pool rentals do you guys do pool parties or, and if you want to come closer to the mic so we can get it on record, because we're going to look.

Yeah. So we, we do the, we do the admin part of it, like the logistics part of it with the client. Um, they, as Christian mentioned, they provide the lifeguards. So we coordinate with them. Uh, but to answer your question, um, it's more so in the summers, I would say, um, I don't have a number off the top of my head of how many we have, but I know this past summer, every weekend or Friday, we've kind of had Fridays or Saturdays and even Sundays, we've had consistent pool rentals. But a consistent number, I could get it for you.

Okay. Yeah sorry I know because I know.

May June and July we had three each month. Okay. That we staffed for.

Perfect. Does that impact your guys's programming.

No.

No. Yeah.

Okay. All right. Understanding a little bit more. All these questions that I had. Yeah. Okay. So no impact to program programming at all. Okay good. Awesome.

Commissioner, any more questions? No.

No, I mean, I think this presentation was for me when I had the question of, like, because I didn't know that we could rent out the pools. And I was like, wait, that was literally one of my last questions that I wrote down, like, after thinking about this. I guess for the community to know, right? Like, I guess that was the reason why I was asking. I didn't know, I guess, how the pools got rented out. Um, so was it like, was it fast? Was it parks? So yeah. So I mean, yeah.

So the program wise all is through fast, right? But if you wanted to have it for your party or whatever the case is, um, you could come down to the community center, call the community center. Um, one of our rentals representatives will get in contact with you. We'll go through an inquiry form. We'll go through the whole rental process. So that part you'll be with us if you're going to rent the pool.

And there's a time slot. Cause I was thinking like, Hey, I want to rent out the pools. Like I'm kicking you guys out. Cause I want to rent it. Like, You know, that's what I was trying to, like, figure out. I was like, all right.

I think that's a good example of what the partnership was. For sure. And still is. We would then provide the lifeguard. We're not actually soliciting that business. That's your business. Yeah, that's. We were the ones that facilitate the safety factor.

Yeah, awesome. No, appreciate it. Thank you.

All right, very informative. Thank you. I stand by my earlier comment. I think there's an opportunity to really work together and expand the access to swimming and learning to swim for our youth as we approach the Olympics. But thank you for coming, and we appreciate your time.

You're welcome, and we will give some serious thought about that, and we will get you the percentages, if we can, that you were asking for.

Thank you so much very much. And with that we will move to our next staff presentation.

Good evening commission and members of the public. We do have a loaded department update covering some of the months from July and now well late June July since we did not have a meeting. As always we do. We have staff here to share kind of their slides. I do want to note that our city has rebranded, as you can tell at the top there, the F and the Fullerton. So that's a branding that you're going to start seeing more and more through our documents and social media and in our presentation. With that we'll get started with our department update for July and August. And again we have Supervisor Echecheverria and Jacob Hodgson here to share more information.

Good evening commissioners. I'll be talking about our parks trails and sports fields. First, we want to congratulate Fullerton Hills Softball, a 14U gold all-star team, which won the USA Softball Western National Championship in Seattle. It's Fullerton Hills Softball's first national championship and the first time Fullerton Hills has had a team do a clean sweep, winning the Central District Championship. We are also honored to host our sister cities delegation from Tolo Italy welcoming 12 youth baseball players their coaches parents grandparents and the mayor of Tolo what they guess for a week filled with friendship culture and unforgettable unforgettable memories. Our guests experience the best of Fullerton and South California by visiting local restaurants, museum shops, and the Thursday night market and taking the field alongside East Fullerton Little League and the City of Fullerton Parks and Recreation team for a friendly baseball and softball games. A heartfelt thank you to East Fullerton Little League, Chick-fil-A, Fullerton, Lagos Mexican Cuisine, the Boys and Girls Club of Fullerton, and our host families, volunteers, community partners, and city staff for making this experience possible.

And for that sorry I'm going to chime in there. I do want to shout out in the back there we have our staff member Hawk Scott. He took on this project. He was there. He's in the back over there on the right hiding but he took on this project. He made great relationships with the members from Tolo with the Fullerton Sister City Association and he was there for them 24 7 being their tour guide on anything and everything. And staff, to share more, they went to an Angel game and a Dodger game, and they spent the day at Knott's Berry Farm. So I think we made a great impression on our friends in Tolo, and I'm sure they're inviting us out to Italy.

Did the Angels win, or did they lose? Oh.

I actually I know someone in the top section was winning over there but the game I think they lost actually last inning. So but no it was it was a great experience for everyone involved a little share of the cultures between both both cities.

All right, now heading over to our tennis center for the month of June. As you may know, we had our opening of the pickleball courts. For the month of June, we saw 136 reservations. Tennis court reservations, we saw over 1,000. Class participants, we had 92. And private lessons, we had roughly almost 300 private lessons. As I mentioned, um, on June 12th, we celebrated our ribbon cutting of the new eight pickleball courts at the Fullerton tennis center. Uh, we are actually excited to announce that our pickleball programs, um, is going to launch, uh, August 18th, uh, youth and adult, uh, pickleball programs will, uh, will start on August 18th with a four week sessions, uh, held every Tuesday. So from, uh, beginners to intermediate, um, there will be an opportunity for people to join. In collaboration with the American Ram Company, staff arranged for the demo of a triangular pump track to be set at the Brea Dam Park. The track ran from June 14th until July 12th. Users of all ages and experience were able to utilize the track and it was well received. On June 26, in partnership with Cal South, we hosted a soccer clinic at Amherst Park for ages four to 14. Participants learned dribbling drills, passing drills, 1v1 games, and most importantly, working as a team in 11v11 games. Participants also received free t-shirts, and we also had roughly over 40 participants on that day. On July 13th, we hosted our first annual Community Garden Lottery. This is for all nine plots that we had available. We selected them on July 13th in the council chambers, and staff have already met with the applicants to kind of go over the rules and regulations. In the bottom picture, that's already one of our lucky winners that won the lottery actually getting started planting in the community gardens over at Union Pacific Park. And then I'll hand it over to Christian.

I'm going to chime in for the community gardens. We do have a partnership with Mimbo business in Placentia and they're donating five thousand dollars kind of for startup equipment. So we're waiting for that to work. The plans are for staff to have a shed and access for those volunteer hours. But we do have our events are again we're in the last few Thursday night markets. If you haven't been out there, please go. It's still a very enjoyable time. It has been hot the last couple of weeks, but as you can tell, you can jump into the splash pad there or cool off with some refreshments and fresh fruit. And it's definitely a hit and it's a great time for the community. Our last one is the first week of September. This summer, I am going to forget the dates because there were so many soccer matches because of the World Cup, but we did host two watch parties. The first one, this is on the walk of Wilshire, which is west of Harbor on Wilshire. We were able to close down the street. We had our vehicle LED. This picture here is Mexico versus South Korea. And it was just a great turnout. I think, as you can tell, a lot of cities were hosting an event. This was very family-friendly. We incorporated the downtown businesses to do food specials or sales. This was the first one. And as all great event planners in demand, we learned from the first one, and we hosted a second one. So this was the... USA versus, I think it was Bosnia, if I'm not mistaken. This was also a really good atmosphere. And I think what just makes it fun, even as you can tell this one's, I think this one was earlier in the day, so it was a little hotter than the evening one in Mexico. But in partnership with CalSouth, they were out there doing giveaways. But what was really enjoyable from both, it was the cheering and just the atmosphere. It was electric. I think at this one I recall a group of young men just you know chanting away and just enjoying the game and it was family friendly. Families were able to go to the local businesses buy food and what we'll call tailgate there while we set up. So it was a really good event. It was it was you know something that our department along with community economic development I apologize and their staff, kind of a partnership between us and the downtown businesses, and it just worked out really well. So I'm glad we were able to host that, and hopefully everyone that attended was able to enjoy a couple of the matches. We also hosted this small event called Fourth of July since we last met. This was a fireworks show only. So what that meant for us, it was no festival, no food, no of the vendors. However, we did have a fireworks show at 9 o'clock in the downtown plaza, and these are some of the pictures. We had a DJ for the entire set, kind of just for entertainment, but the idea also was to promote the downtown businesses, and there was a splash pad, and as you can tell, people were still having a great time. They came out, and we had a 20-minute fireworks show. That's probably one of the best ones in the county, and everyone had a good time, and no issues and I think this is this was well received by the community. last friday was our first friday night live our concerts in the park series at fullerton sports complex we had the remix band but this week coming up it's for the stone soul band if you guys have not heard of them they play classic soul and motown tribute band one thing that we've added you know trying to innovate with our events is we're actually partnering with the rotary and we have a beer garden the Fullerton Sports Complex so we were able to permit the entire grass area and the Rotary in partnership with Parks and Rec are selling beer as a fundraiser to them and and just to you know get people out there and enjoy the night so on August 21st that's pop vision top 40 hits and then August 28th is a country band Pistol Blonde with a woman lead singer. So we're very excited for the next three weeks and we look forward to seeing everybody out there enjoying a concert. Alright, we're going to jump into our recreation programs. We just wrapped up last Friday Camp Hillcrest and it was very well attended sold out every week. I think we've shared highlights every month but we our staff our coordinator Jocelyn did a great job with her team last week. They went to Disneyland for the first time that we've incorporated that into our camp So we maxed out we started at 100 Participants and then you know that that continued every week Thank you to the fire and police department for going out there showing tells just seeing their vehicles and their tools is always well received by our campers and And we also had pool days at FAST where we would transport that and just different activities throughout the week. And then our Hunt Camp ended two weeks ago, and that's where it's more arts, technology, and just arts and crafts oriented, as well as the partnership with the library at the Hunt Library. So this was led by our coordinator, Amy Ull. and she did a great job she this was the first summer that she was tasked with this this camp and this one was a little bit smaller it maxed out at 30 kits every week but it was a nominal fee and everyone just had a good time it was air conditioned at the hunt library and they were able to visit pack drive park for their activities and and then every tuesday they had an activity with the library on site so And this one was a lot more on site entertainment. And again just a reminder we do have a secret pals scholarship program and we've given out five scholarships and this helps offset class registration fees. So that is an option that you can apply for for our community. And one more program, our Richmond Outdoor Equity Grant. This was the Waste and Organic Education. As you can tell, this is the Richmond neighborhood and some of their members led by our staff. And this excursion, it was our staff, Richard. So they got to take on an excursion and Celeste there in the picture. And this program is just well received. It's education. It's some... you know, excursions for a community that's just invested in learning in this subject matter. And we're very grateful to have this grant. We are kind of coming to an end. It sunsets this year. So we have two excursions planned. There's an overnight camp scheduled in the fall, if I'm not mistaken. But I think we have two more excursions until it wraps up. And then just realized there's a lot of programs that we're doing over at the hunt and rec. So we did have Amy there we have a symphony on the go that was in the lawn at the hunt library. And this is a symphony on the go is Pacific Symphony has a trailer and they play like a small concert in different communities so they drive the trailer up. They play, and then they go to a new park or a new neighborhood in the following week. So we were able to host them at the hunt, and great turnout. It's just an opportunity to do some activities, listen to music, and have a picnic in the evening hours. And now I'm going to pass it over to Jacob.

All righty. Good evening, commissioners. I'll be going over our older adult programs. So in the month of August, these will be the programs that we have. So living with arthritis will be this Wednesday from 10 a.m. to 11 a.m. We have a new American Mahjong group that meets every Tuesday from 945 to 1245. Our morning trail hikes, which we brought back in early May. Those have been a success. It's been very, very hot. So, you know, it's to still see that we're having people come come out shows that they're having a really, really good time. Try to get them out there before it gets too hot, so we start them over at 8.30 and end around 9.45. So that one's a really successful program. Housing options for older adults will be on August 20th. Less water, more growth, the secrets to a thriving garden. This is another very successful program. And then our Discover Fullerton on foot is on Saturday, August 15th. And we are also really excited to introduce two new programs starting the week of August 18th. Loteria will be every Wednesday, 12.30 p.m. to 1.30 p.m., so are you ready to play? Join us for a classic game of Mexican bingo, an afternoon full of laughter, friendly competition, and fun. If you are interested in pre-registering for this, you can give us a call at the Fullerton Community Center, and we can do that for you. And then Trivia Thursdays, which obviously will be on Thursdays from 2 p.m. to 3 p.m. Put your knowledge to the test every Thursday with the fun, friendly trivia and great company. So even on the last slide where we went through all the programs, majority of these programs, if not all of them, are completely free, no cost to our seniors. And it's just a great time for them to come through and really enjoy the other people's company and, you know, try to see if they can win in Loteria and trivia. And then in July, our senior club celebrated the America 250th Social. This was a very, very successful program. It sold out two weeks before it even happened. So we would have loved to have everybody come, but obviously our Grand Hall has a capacity. But it was a very, very great event. It had live music, delicious food. We had themed activities throughout the night. And it was plenty of fun. The event was a wonderful opportunity for older adults to connect, celebrate, and create lasting memories. And then this past week we just wrapped up our Golden Days Summer Camp. So we had 18 campers that traveled all across the world while staying in Fullerton all five days. On Monday they traveled down to Hawaii. On Tuesday they went to Mexico. On Wednesday they went to Paris. On Thursday, they came back to Fullerton. We wanted to give them a little bit of a break because Friday we went out to Italy. So it was a great week. We had 18 campers, and it was very, very fun. On Thursday, the Fullerton PD, which a huge thank you to them, they brought down our campers and showed them the campers Basically, the whole inside of the police department, our seniors got their mug shots. So just in case, we have them. So it was a really, really fun summer camp. And we're looking forward to hosting this again soon. And then now discussing our June and July private rentals. So June and July were a month full of celebrations. We wrapped up our graduation party season in June and proudly hosted the busiest wedding months of the year, which were both June and July, as you can see through the revenue. From milestone celebrations to unforgettable I do moments, it was an honor to help create lasting memories for our community. Overall, we had 87 reservations in June and July that were weddings, birthdays, seminars, celebrations of lives, and graduation parties as well. We actually just recently did a baptism as well, so full of different event opportunities over at the Fullerton Community Center and Hum Branch Library. Speaking of the Hum Branch Library, we had 17 reservations with baby showers, birthdays, and we had a few community meetings as well. And that wraps up our department update.

I guess that means that you didn't land the Travis Kelsey Taylor Swift wedding at the Hunt Branch Library, since I haven't seen any pictures. We actually came in second place from what I heard. First, thanks, everyone, for the work you do. We say this, I think, every single month, but it's amazing how much you program and how much the team is accountable for and really What the work good work they're doing to bring great programs to the city of Fullerton So we appreciate that very much with that. I'll open it to commissioners for any questions or comments Yeah, I have a question.

I have a few questions Thanks again for everything you guys do especially for the invite to the pickleball ceremony it was extremely hot, but I know everybody still had fun and even though it felt like 110 degrees. I did hear a disturbing rumor that Chewy's last day is Friday. I hope that's not true.

That's not a rumor because it is true. Chewy is leaving to a new agency, so her last day with us is this Friday. Oh, no. We didn't even get to say goodbye. She will be. No, her schedule is a little wonky because she's been working concerts in the market. So she'll be at the market Thursday night, and then she'll be at concerts on Friday. Oh, gotcha. Awesome. Thank you.

You're welcome. Yeah, for the fantastic work you guys do, she does, and everything. I do want to say about the community garden, I was wondering how many people applied to the whole program.

Yeah, so I'm going to leave that for Etche to share some details about the lottery.

We had roughly, I would say, 40-plus people do the application. During the lottery, we had roughly 12 people show up. Unfortunately, none of those people got chosen. It was very awkward. But we did reach out to those that were selected, and everyone... accepted and we, uh, staff have already met with them on site and they have their designated, uh, plot. And we've, I think if you actually go there now, you can see some of the progress that, um, some of the plotters have already been doing. Very awesome. Nice.

Uh, I mean, 40 people is a good amount. Are there any plans after a certain while to like, see if we can add more plots or if there's another area where we can add a,

additional community garden.

What are some plans for like kind of monitoring it.

I think we can. We're definitely this is for year one program. Right. And then just based on the interest if there's other parks as we plan and we can create more because these were part of the Kaboom project the build for the right garden boxes. So I think there's opportunity at other parks that we've identified. We really want to make sure we are doing everything right with this first one. It's first year, we're not charging any fees. We'll establish an annual fee. So we want to see how it goes. Also, depending on, uh, responsibilities for the gardeners and, you know, cause usually everyone's ready to go. And then, you know, throughout the year, they kind of slow down, not visit their plots as much. So we want to learn from this one and then implement a second garden. Um, but we're always open to recommendations. If you identify a park, um, we can explore that.

Yeah, I agree. Thank you. Uh, I heard from one of, uh, soon to be business owner, that they're interested in opening a private community garden, I think, along Wilshire. So I'm wondering if we can kind of ask them what their interest is of kind of partnering with you guys eventually when that process gets started. Yeah.

If you, after you can share their information, we're happy to contact them.

Awesome. Yeah. I would love to. Another one is the soccer event. it was a great event. I went to the Mexico game. Amazingly attended. Energy was super high. Just a few questions. Are there any plans to expand on this? For example, from my understanding, just from talking to some council members, it seemed like scarcity for that area is the point and so that If we don't open up all the time, then people will come to the events that we do plan for there. And my hoping is that we don't have to wait for every four years for FIFA to come around. Like, can we do it for, for example, Super Bowl or World Series, WrestleMania? I don't know. Anything that you guys were thinking.

Yeah, it was an outstanding success for the two watch parties. That area is set up for that with the bollards and the safety. Kind of our approach there. We really wanted to focus on not in the downtown plaza because of the businesses and the restaurants. That was one of the main factors that we hosted the party there. Or the watch party, sorry. Yeah, we can explore if there's... large-scale televised events. It's a couple of things to consider. One, this was in partnership also with CalSouth, thus the clinic. So the clinic was free, and they were partnering with us, and that's why we were able to host. The first watch party, the Mexico-South Korea was the planned watch party. That's just based on feedback. We were able to actually, luckily, um, the USA game was also on schedule because that was the round of 32, I believe. So we weren't, so it wasn't because just cause of dates. Right. Right. Yeah. Um, so yeah, we, we can explore if there's a large scale event, um, of like a sponsor.

Yeah.

That was part of it too. Um, there is a cost for like the led, the closure staffing. We did have to bring in, you know, additional resources, portable restrooms and such. So, um,

If we're able to offset those costs where we can definitely explore there or if there's other secure locations that we can plan for We have the contacts for all those resources now, okay One of the things that I was thinking about in the moment was I have a lot of friends who kind of live down there Some of them are younger more wild and that they were pretty much publicly drinking there were a lot of people kind of publicly drinking but technically It felt like a we won't tell kind of situation with a lot of even the police officers and kind of the staff. Because even though it was happening, we all had kind of the understanding like, it's OK, just don't get wild. I'm wondering that in the future for the next one, we can also still have that kind of public, I don't know, like open container kind of situation where it stops at the border of where you know the event is actually taking place. Is that something that's possible or like having an open container kind of situation.

I don't think it's possible to have open container in public spaces where there's not a license. Now we as staff did inform individuals that there was no drinking on site. Okay. Whether they listen to us or not is a different story. Okay. But we did to those that we did see we did try to enforce that law. Now when having alcohol events requires number one ABC license for the space and two then we were talking about security more because yes everyone was well behaved at these two watch parties but that may not always be the case. Right. So if we are promoting the sales of alcohol for that footprint. then that's something that we need to consider and adds to the cost of security, probably police, and create a much more strict barrier. I see. So the event itself did not have an alcohol license. But again, as people go to events, public spaces, we are not asking them to open their cups and see what's inside. But if we do publicly see it, we did ask them to put it away.

Right. Okay. I see. Thank you.

Yeah. Would that be kind of similar to the Friday night light or the Friday night concerts? So maybe I guess, I mean, I kind of understand what Commissioner Maldonado is referring to, but so, cause you also mentioned there was a, the beer garden, but you said the beer garden was the whole grass area in a sense, right?

Yes. So different than the watch party, the Friday Night Live concerts is the Rotary applied for an ABC license. And when you apply for an ABC license, you give them a footprint of the area you're going to serve and consume alcohol. So for us, when I say the grass area, it's because it's the soccer field and that's like the event space. So they have volunteer security agents volunteer securities that are required by the abc license to kind of just monitor that space so similar to restaurants where alcohol alcohol can't leave the premises of the business um same thing with us so they're selling it but it's it's so they get id checks and they get served but it's a approved space for them to sell yeah

So so would we be able to do something similar. You absolutely can. Yeah. Sponsor and. Yeah. Apply for the temporary license. Absolutely. Yeah. OK.

The daily license similar to what they do at the plaza etc. Yeah. We just didn't have that in place for the for the watch party. Right. As we were promoting it more for a friendly and also encouraging the attendees to go into the local bars and you know you have dinner enjoy themselves then come watch the games.

So it was that was the thing to consider is licensing doesn't cover BYOB so it ultimately covers what's being served on premises and so there would still be that hurdle that you have to cross. So all good all good thoughts for sure. I just think there's a lot of hurdles to consider if you're thinking about trying to license the legal consumption of alcohol.

you brought from your home yeah another one that I wanted to bring up was 4th of July it was a fantastic 4th of July display I will say that talking to just some people in the audience they were pretty disappointed with the lack of an actual festival and I know that we're going through some tough times as a city and But it felt like, just from talking to some people in the moment, that we lost a bit of community joy. You get moments that I see that aren't total priority to display that we are filling the budget. But I don't know if 4th of July was that moment. It felt like during a hard time when people are at their hottest, and it's like 99 degrees 100% of the day, Think encourage them to leave their houses and go to the festival would have been nice, but I agree I understand the sentiment I guess my point is For the next time because it seems like the city is gonna be in financial disarray for the next three years or whatever That I guess fourth of July isn't something that we I don't want to say skimp out on but at least we offer some kind of a moment to feel joy as like a city and not just in fireworks, but also rides and games and, you know, somewhere to connect. I do want to say for Hunt Camp, I did go kind of, it was for my own purpose to kind of scope out the wedding venue, but I did see Hunt Camp and it was a ton of fun watching all the kids. They're all, having the most amount of fun that I've seen and really well-coordinated of just a circular rotation. OK, now we're going over here and over here. So great coordination, great management of 30 different little kids. One actually came up to hit me and then ran away. And I love that. So I want to congratulate you guys on doing such a fantastic job. Other than that, that's the end of mine. Thank you.

DIRECTOR DEWOLF. Thank you Commissioner. Any other commissioners with comments or questions.

DIRECTOR DEWOLF. Pump track. So now what. DIRECTOR DEWOLF. Yes so. DIRECTOR DEWOLF. Successful.

DIRECTOR DEWOLF. Yeah it was it was. So there was a coalition of agencies throughout kind of Orange County. DIRECTOR DEWOLF. Collaborated together. DIRECTOR DEWOLF. Yeah to keep also kind of costs down as one of the agencies. The goal is for the to purchase the pump track. DIRECTOR DEWOLF. OK. So one of the agencies, ultimately, they do this kind of tour. So it stops at different agencies. And then the last agency is like the purchaser of the pump track, if that's the case. For us, this is the first time we've done it. We receive pretty positive feedback just because it's also off the loop. and it's Brea Dam where there's an area that's just kind of the park space. There are plans, though, to expand harbor or create a parking lot with a dedicated light there, I think through the street. So based on that project, we're going to see how it impacts Brea Dam and if we can activate the space. But, yeah, it was well received, and it's something we're exploring.

What about other locations that – That is designated park areas for. Maybe not necessarily a manufactured pump track but maybe a more natural pump track.

Like a trail or. Long ago White Park used to have a BMX. what we'll call a BMX track. It was basically self-made, but it might be an opportunity to explore some of that.

Yeah, we can take a look at both those parks. This one specifically, too, was in the Brea Dam, so we were able to work through that funding. Through some of those fundings? Yeah. Okay. So we didn't, it wasn't like general fund, but we can explore white park and then, um, keep that on, keep that on our radar for future projects. Yeah. Yeah. There's, um, Bass and Terry is a park that's to, you know, have some ideas and concept designs behind it so we can explore that and incorporating that.

I'm talking about the vacant lot.

That's yeah. The parking, the, what we use as a pseudo parking lot, the South, South side of Bass.

Euclid and Bassencher.

Okay.

Yeah.

We can we can as we plan for the different parks we can incorporate that. Okay.

Sounds good. I also I also had questions on the 4th of July event. What was the budget for for that. Obviously it totally shrunk down because we were anticipating Because we went from a three-day event to a two-day to a one-day.

Budget? Yeah. Okay. So fireworks, I believe $32,000 for the fireworks. And then the biggest cost was fireworks, the safety barriers, and then just staff time. Okay. So, yeah, we went from a budget. I think we were projected to do a budget of about $320,000, $300,000. Yeah. Because of the three-day, the services, security, which we dwindled it down to. We were committed to the fireworks, and that's why we did a fireworks show. The staff is the bulk of the cost. Fireworks show about 30. So I actually, I'm going to look over to Rachel. I don't think we, 60. So if you have not met, and I apologize, Rachel Castanon, she's our admin analyst. So she knows all the numbers off the top of her head. Because she, most of the numbers. But it was about 60. Yeah, she was processing all the contracts. So it was about 60. So we did reduce our budget.

By a lot.

By a lot.

Okay. Even though it was already kind of set and approved and yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. We saw an initial number come across the commission that we pushed to council and council said, we need to think about how we are a little more fiscally responsible and probably the prudent way to go. And so I think if it was 60,000, that was probably 20% of the original budget.

So.

Okay. And that's what you guys all had to work with.

Yes. And so to that point, I think overall 4th of July in general was well received. We did get some feedback on like, oh, I had the food trucks, the activities, the rides, and so forth. So I think for exploring it this route, we can incorporate some like food trucks throughout the day. But there was the bike route. The bike parade was very well attended, as always. That's always. So that's like creating that community. In our experience, everybody goes home during the hotter part of the day and then comes back in the evening. So this was just kind of an opportunity for us to do a fireworks show. And we can incorporate some smaller elements next year if we continue with just the fireworks show.

Perfect. Awesome. Last one. Pickleball. thoughts on having designated open play court for drop-ins? Are they being utilized completely all the time? I mean, I saw the numbers, obviously. So I've had some residents reach out. You're like, where's the free ones? Where's the, like, the ones that I, you know, I just, I want to go play, like, in half an hour, you know, like, not kind of, you know, planned ahead. I always share Union Pacific, for sure, so I would say, obviously, it doesn't have lights, but... So I share that. But what about at the tennis center?

I'll chime in and Ece can share a little bit more as he oversees the facility. But I can tell you that evening times are fully booked. So like in the past couple of weeks. Yes. Because that's something that we promised the commission to bring back a report on kind of just the status. Um, the daytime has been extremely hot. So in the morning times, there's no one there. Um, and, but the peak hours, what we'll call maybe from 4 PM and on, they have been, um, like they haven't booked. Yeah. So, um, there is no. like evening drop-in time we are going to kind of type into that for the programming piece of it we're not using all the courts but we we have received requests for youth and adult programming um so we'll start exploring that but there's no like i think with the time of them being open it has been um busy just no i mean that's that's good yeah it's just they were asking no you know so i mean i think

Again, asking you. So appreciate it. Yeah, thank you guys for all the hard work.

Thank you, Commissioner. Any other comments or questions? All right. With that, we will now move to the public comments portion of the meeting. This is the time for the members of the public to address the commission on any item of interest to the public that is within the subject matter jurisdiction of the Parks and Recreation Commission other than those items listed on the agenda. So if you're here to speak about item such as Number seven on the regular business, which is the Woodcrest Park parking lot program I'd ask you to wait a little longer until we get to that portion of the meeting For members of the public calling in calls will be queued and muted until prompted by staff to join in During the public comment period callers will be asked to please clearly state their name for the record After it appears everyone who wanted to speak has spoken. I will certainly ask you, who has comments for the commission? You have three minutes.

Good evening, commissioners and staff. My name is Jensen Hallstrom, longtime Fullerton resident. I'd like to follow up my previous comments that I've made to this commission and bringing to awareness the dilapidated state of the Sequoia War Memorial and Hillcrest Park. Thankfully Street Tree Revival with WCA had completed a restoration that is just about wrapping up. And so that has improved the condition and structural integrity of the monument. But what still needs to be done is to replant the 55 redwood trees, which were 55 memorial trees planted for each Fullerton resident that died in World War II. These 55 memorial trees were planted when the monument was placed in 1948 and unfortunately although the Grove thrived initially of the first few decades the city ultimately did not uphold the management standards that a Redwood Grove in Southern California requires and so despite a 1995 landscape architect report that detailed the poor condition of the surviving trees at that point the city ultimately continued to neglect the Grove and the last tree died in 2015 and then was just completely forgotten for since that time 11 years completely forgotten 55 missing the memorial trees in Hillcrest Park and So it's so inappropriate for this commission to have only heard about this from myself. Staff should have brought this as an item. It was just noted as a consent calendar item under the June landscape consent calendar item just says Hillcrest Park Memorial Rehab. No, this is a very important project. This is a very unique monument. There is nothing else in Southern California like this, you know, and it's very ironic given the tagline at the top of the memorial to forget them would be cruel to their spirit. And that's what had happened for so long. And I'm hoping that the city can bring this item to this commission before it tries to start replanting any redwood trees. There needs to be a very thorough, comprehensive process here. Also, this commission really does need to see an update of our urban forest management plan, which is updated three years ago, and there has not been a comprehensive update that has addressed a lot of deficient management practices. There are large dead trees still at Acacia Park, at Hillcrest Park, There are a lot of issues that I've been bringing to the city that are still yet to be addressed. So hope some of these things you can keep your eye on. Thank you.

Are there any others who wish to comment.

Good evening Commissioner Stapp. My name is Genaro Fraga and I live on 400 West Orange St. next to the Whitaker's Park. In April, some of the staff from the Parks and Recreation, they go over to the skate park, and they take it apart, the big, one of the big ones for the skate, one of the big ramps. They take it apart. We don't know if they're coming back, if they're going to put it back again. But the thing is, the skate park looks like a trash area now. It's like Pilot Jack, like with Pilot Jack, the kids that brought it to play. And then the other one, the little ones, they're like falling apart. You know, this is a safety issue for our kids and young people. They went over to skate, and they skate whatever we have there, you know? And we don't know they're going to bring it back. I saw it when they take it apart, and it's like a couple guys or four guys, they look like they're professional people, but they left everything. They left the trash, they left all the nails and everything. We have to pick it up, everything, because they don't clean it up. So the big thing is we want to know if they connect. to redo it again or they're not going to redo it or they're going to disappear the whole thing. We want to know if they They're going to do something about it because it's so unsafe for the kids. I'm afraid to take my grandkids to play there or not taking them because they're going to have an accident. You want to go over and look and walk around, they're like trash. And we want to see our park nice and clean. In the beginning, it looks nice and everything, but now it looks horrible. It's like you guys talking about the trash, you know, the BMX. They're going to make them by hand, and then probably in a year it's going to be trash too because if they don't take care of all the stuff, it's going to disappear. And we're just looking, you know? We're just looking at the trash, and we're just looking at our kids. They play somewhere else because we don't have our stuff. You know, we live next to them. So we had to look for another places to play, and even other places that like trash too, like the one next to the, the DMV, same team. Homeless, trash, you know. And then the bathrooms too. The bathroom is the same team, it looks like. Like two, two, three feet from the playground. Same thing, some safety. People go over to the bathroom, let the doors open. We don't want that. We don't want our kids saw that. Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Good evening, Parks and Recreation Commission. My name is Mireya Figueroa, and I represent the Wilchrist community. Our community are here because we have problems with the parking issue.

Ms. Figueroa, we do have an agenda item that is to come later in the meeting. And at that time, when we cover that, we will then open public comment to speak about that. So if you'll just wait just a few minutes, we will get to that.

And also, I just want to mention about the Walker's Park. OK. If you guys can please put signs, not smoking, because a lot of people they just smoke and I haven't seen any sign to say please like don't smoke and also we one if the trash cans the trash can they're like small well their top on the top there is not like the hole is not enough big so if you guys can put the sign like do not smoke and the trash can

Thank you. Any more speakers. Okay. Anyone online.

I have no one.

All right. If there's no one else I will now close the public comment section of this meeting. And we will now move to the approval of the consent calendar for the meeting of June 8th 2026 are there any commissioners that would wish to pull an item from the consent calendar All right With that We will move. Is there a motion to approve the consent calendar?

I move to approve the consent calendar as is.

I second. All right. Moved and seconded.

Okay. Commissioner Maldonado?

Yes.

Commissioner De La Vida?

Yes.

Commissioner Kim? Yes. And Chair McKendree.

Yes.

The motion passes.

All right. We will now move to the regular business portion of the meeting. At this time, we will call item number seven, the Woodcrest Park parking pilot program.

Good evening chair commission and members of the public. As previously shared at a previous meeting we've had a staff this is a this is This here what I'm presenting today is part of a broader discussion for Woodcrest Park and the neighborhood and some of the parking challenges that are that you know have been shared with city staff with council. So in the Parks and Recreation Department We are exploring that we bring forward to you is what we'd like to share as a Woodcrest Park parking pilot program. I have a quick presentation and then we would look forward to Commission's feedback. So background on the Woodcrest neighborhood. The Woodcrest neighborhood has experienced ongoing overnight parking pressure due to older development patterns. The neighborhood has parking constraints which include limited onsite parking and multifamily and single family residentials. Due to the limited parking options, residents have utilized the Woodcrest Park parking lot during overnight hours, resulting in issuance of citations. And our city park rules and associated parking lots are closed to the public between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. And that's across all city parks. So this is an aerial view of Woodcrest Park. Those are the dedicated parking stalls for the park. There is approximately 40 parking stalls. There is 90 degree parking. There's about about 25 there and then there's about 10 that are kind of parallel to the curb. The issue if the issue we're experiencing here is that realistically at any time that you go to that park those parking stalls are there's a vehicle there there's there's no open parking especially in you know for those trying to visit the park there's no access to parking and then overnight they're parking their vehicles which are creating citations Again this is part of this is high density neighborhood on your left hand my left hand or your left hand side of the screen too. Those are apartment complexes. There is a school at the top of the image there and then to the right there are single families and then it's not shown in the picture but kind of further by the school there's another apartment complex with more single family and then off the picture there is a target parking lot. adjacent there too. So we're exploring all options but this is Parks and Rec related. So again those are the parking stalls there and then to the right at the bottom there is the skate park that was referenced by a public comment. That skate park is something that I think was an idea from the Parks and Recreation Department years ago. Yes it is. The condition of the skate park is not at its best. Staff have removed damaged ramps but there are still other ramps that you know are probably in their last you know There they may not no longer be safe so staff is out there removing what's not what's not deemed safe. We have not replaced that as that's kind of part of our larger conversation of capital improvement. We've explored replacement but again we just the funding is also a challenge for portable skate parks or skate ramps. Next slide please. So currently the city does have existing parking programs. The city currently has established two overnight parking programs. The first one is actually what we call zone A overnight parking program which is utilizing an existing parking lot public parking lot adjacent to Nicholas Junior High. The second one is a brand new early morning parking permit program, which was recently implemented after an 18 month pilot program. And both programs are administered by the Traffic Engineering Division. And I'll go into detail in the next slide. So this zone a parking permit program was instituted in 2017 and this was to utilize an existing public parking lot. So in the image that's Nicholas Junior High that single family but what's Citrus and West Porter that's high density apartments there and they have the opportunity for to park at Nicholas Junior High's like baseball parking lot which is about 20 slots which is on the top right picture right south of the baseball diamond. That program was to provide additional overnight parking opportunities for the residents and this was implemented through a permit based system and continues to provide a managed parking solution for that neighborhood. The city does have a lease agreement with the Fullerton school district for use of the park parking facilities at Nicholas Junior High. And again this was in place since 2017 and now city council has established an early morning parking permit program after 18 month pilot program. So that's the next slide. There isn't a clear picture right now for the early morning parking program. I think there will be one soon. But if you can look this is just a city map and it's all the blue lines that are the early parking permit program and that's administered again through our city traffic engineer and also through a third party that does the permitting the permits themselves. And these programs do demonstrate the city's experience in administering targeted targeted permit based parking programs designed to address localized parking needs while maintaining appropriate operational oversight. So there is a contractor that does go out there and do site overnight if there's no permits and you get issued a little like a I guess a rearview mirror tag or a sticker that you place that shows that you live within the area and that you are permitted to park in that space.

Next slide please.

So what we have before you today for feedback and direction is a potential pilot program. Staff have developed a conceptual framework for a one year pilot program utilizing the existing parking lot at Woodcrest Park. The program would establish geographic eligibility criteria defining the designated residential service area and then permits would be issued only to residents within that designated service area and would require verification of residency prior to issuance. Cost and administration would be similar to the current early parking program which if I'm not mistaken is fifty dollars. And then the program is not intended to provide an overnight parking for the general public. It will only if it will not affect the park amenities or public access during normal park operating hours. Again just want to reiterate this is part of a broader conversation. This is just our department's first step in trying to alleviate and address some of the concerns. So next steps is for staff is requesting a Parks and Recreation Commission to receive, review and provide direction regarding the proposed pilot parking program. And we will finalize scope of work. So we will then, So we will then based on the feedback take it to council for consideration and if we need to implement a permit or a pilot program for parking at Woodcrest Park and this would only be for Woodcrest Park specifically and it would be for the designated parking slots that I identified in the previous picture. And we're here to answer any questions.

Okay so the requisite for getting a permit would be that you'd live in the high density residential next to the park.

So we would identify what that requirement is through our framework. But yes it would be through that. So we can ultimately we can identify by addresses and this is all in the already established parking administrative system that city traffic engineers we enter the addresses And then as they submit and it would probably be a lottery just based on the number of spots versus the number of residents. And but it's all already implemented into a program that we would just use as well similar to early parking program that's currently established.

Obviously there's a lot of people here with something to say about it but have we surveyed the residents.

We have not surveyed the residents about this program specifically but we have been receiving a lot of feedback on the general need for additional parking. at that in that neighborhood. So just to provide a little bit of background, this is a collaborative approach with our economic development team. They're actively speaking with some of the businesses that are not open in the evening hours. This is our public works team identifying solutions in the parking lot itself, how to add additional parking stalls. within that space, um, creating possibly a one-way street, adding additional stalls, um, and then in and around the area. And also our police department is providing feedback of the number of citation, the heat maps of where the citations are happening. Uh, so there's, it's just, it's a multi-prong approach amongst all the departments, but we have not surveyed specifically to the residents saying, do you want additional parking? These are the requirements.

Gotcha. Is the dilapidated skate park under consideration in terms of expanding parking, the parking footprint? That has been part of the conversation, yes. And then how would the permitting during the daytime hours be managed? So I understand permits would be issued for the nighttime hours. But should a car remain in a parking spot. How will how will that be managed. We'll leave it to the police department to manage.

Correct. And I believe that's the issue right now. Unfortunately the parking lots are for public access so we can't. If it's the park if the parking lot is open and someone is parked there you can technically assume they're using the facility they're using the park. So we there's. It's a hard question to answer. How do you enforce public parking to a vehicle that's there all day. But that's something there is and I don't have it in front of me the specific language on the municipal code but you do have to move vehicles certain amount of times over the course of hours. or else they get cited as well. So we we do have contracts with tow companies as a city that do enforce you know some of the rules and that's all part of the framework that we would be implementing.

Are there concerns that you're aware of that have been shared by either the police department or any any other members of the city with potentially doing this pilot of overnight parking.

It is a public park and we do have high density neighborhoods adjacent to other parks throughout the city. So if it's that might be something that as we kind of explore this now other parks and those neighborhoods may want to explore something similar. That is something that us as a department has to think about and weigh the options to that and as the commission. But I think this is the first step solution towards you know trying to alleviate some parking. We did share it with our public works department in regards to kind of the framework of what they're already doing with the early morning program. But as big picture there are municipal codes that would have to be discussed because there's no overnight parking at parks and this is this this can be the start of more overnight parking at parks potentially so that. That can create issues.

And then last question that I have is, what is the proposed term of time for the pilot? How much time are we looking at?

Right now we have it in the report as one year pilot program but that can always up to commission if you want to do a six month pilot program 18 month the early morning program was 18 months to gather all the data. But it's up to the commission that's just our suggested based on this report and what we've shared for a one year which gives us. Kind of a full year of when you know holidays people coming over summer. This is a full picture.

Any other commissioners have questions. I do.

Yeah. I spent some time this weekend kind of going door to door and asking people from the woodcrest association about what they thought what were their. opinions or what they were requesting for and One they are comfortable paying with a fee to get that kind of permitting So that I think that is important to keep in mind one especially went for interested in expanding it to other parks so that in that situation where let's say for Richmond or other that if a high density apartment building would like to expand, you know avoid kind of getting tickets as well and they do have that option. And we would essentially make it equitable for everybody charging $50 per person. But in addition to that, I do hear a lot of stories. And one of my questions is, what is the anticipated amount of people that you're thinking is going to apply for these 30-odd spaces?

I think that there will be a large number of applicants. Right. This is a limited resource for sure. So we do just based on the number of apartments within the Justine Media complex talking about 100. I'm sure there's multiple cars within each family with the within each household. So yeah I think the numbers would be high. There is no fee to apply. That's also part of it. I think we'll receive multiple applications. I don't have a number but I think they'll be high.

Okay. Is there a way that we can put preference on people with disabilities? From my understanding, there's only about two spots for disabilities parking in the actual apartment building. And so if in those parking spaces, if we can preference those with disabilities that i feel like that would also add or at least alleviate some kind of the pressure i was talking to somebody and they said they got around 10 tickets within mainly he couldn't leave his house just due to his disability so i imagine that if he's fighting for two spots, at least he could have a little bit more leeway or less of a tax on himself than if it's actually in the park or at least something built for him.

Are you referencing priority for those with disabilities in the potential pilot? Yeah. Understood. I think there's probably just this is me thinking based on kind of the process to identify if it's kind of a lottery system how do you identify those with disabilities or I think it would get into kind of more details on proof of disability. I don't know off the top of my head we can explore that, but my recommendation, my immediate recommendation was to also talk to the management company of the apartment to increase potentially disability parking stalls within the apartment complex to accommodate if there's a need within the complex itself. But, yeah, we can – It will be tricky to just identify if it's like a randomized drawing to those with disabilities versus not.

I guess during filing maybe. I don't know. We'll figure it out. My point or another aspect that I was kind of thinking about is just for an additional space, you guys said at the end that you were looking at potentially more options in addition to the woodcrest community is there do you guys have any in mind other than the specific park or

for that neighborhood. Yeah. Yeah. They're having conversations with again this is a multiple departments. Our public works has just seen how to create more spaces. Right. I know the skate park is you know an item where you can create additional angled parking in that space but you would lose the amenity of the skate park. Right. The other options I think the school district has also been engaged in conversations for overnight parking. But there is also safety concerns with that if someone doesn't leave when the kids are arriving. So and then I know there's large the target parking lot has empty parking stalls in the evening hours or overnight hours. So that's also at least part of the conversation. So we're definitely exploring all options. There's no easy solution. And it is taking a little bit of time to just get the right people in the room to have the conversations and then have them kind of move it forward to their management teams. Gotcha. Thank you.

How are we going to Guess measure the success of the program would it just be from the lack of tickets that we're actually obtaining or from lack of complaints or

I think it's the citations we can also monitor. There's probably resources within one of the departments to take if it's not evening pictures or kind of at the start of the time. So we can we can definitely monitor and provide some pictures and the number of citations within the park because they would have an address if there's overnight parking even if there's violations where Usually tow companies, if they tow vehicles, they have stats of where they're towing vehicles from. That's also part of it, especially with private lots. So we can explore different ways to monitor and highlight.

Okay.

Thank you.

I'm done.

How many slots are you anticipating? As an estimate.

So right now the park itself the area that I was highlighted has approximately 40 parking spaces.

And you're talking about utilizing all of them. Potentially.

Yeah based on if the commission would like a six floor all of them or just 10 of them 15 of them.

Do you have an idea of how many how many parking stalls are needed or what kind of congestion there really exists in that area.

yeah so we've um staff have been visiting the site along with pd and there's there's a high need of parking um i can't quantify the number of stalls that would alleviate this issue but just space so this is one apartment complex there's one right immediately behind it and then there's one um closer to harbor so in that area and then there's a lot of single family homes but mostly there is from the apartment complex and there is a sign as you enter the parking lot for the park that says no overnight parking this is park and that's what that's what allows for the citations. But there has been an increase in citations and it's just the police department doing their job. But there has been an increase in citations in that general neighborhood not just the park.

Yes Any other questions All right, so as there are no more questions, I will now open it for public comment You have any comments I would encourage you to come to the podium state your name for the record and I'll remind you that you had three minutes and

Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you for sharing. And he explained it really clear, our dilemma or our problem. The blue section that you saw, if you extend that across the skateboard park, in the past years, when the skateboard wasn't there, we had no issues with parking space. I know the ladies work hard, Woodcrest program work hard to put that there, and it was good while it was sustained or new. But then tickets and all the citations came along because of that. And they gave us a break, a few months, no tickets, and then they noticed an issue. Tickets again and on and off and on and off. So I've been living in Woodcrest for over 15 years and I know that routine. And we really appreciate that you gave us this break until now that we can talk and see if we can come up with a solution. I got like, I don't know, like 10 tickets myself and other friends here. And every night we worry, oh, can we park there? I don't know. Maybe I should try. And next morning, oh, no tickets. Oh, man, thank God we had no tickets. And we go to work happily just because of that, believe it or not. So I think if you guys can help us at least park. I mean, the kids, sure, we find ways to bring them along and have fun some other way. But I think if you guys can help us extend that section, I can assure you we'll be okay with that. We park along Highland. We've been bothering that section right there because we don't have this section over here on Woodcrest. But we can assure you, if you can allow us to park there, give us a permit, we won't bother our neighbors across Highland, across Target. We want to be good neighbors. We know we understand that. I appreciate your time. Thank you.

Thank you. Any other comments?

Thank you. Good evening. My name is Mireya. And we are willing to pay, but just for overnight, from 10 to 7. We are willing to leave during the day. So I think that I I think the baseball, they pay to you guys, right? So they can use the baseball field. So we already talked. If you see, we have a WhatsApp community. And Lionel, he knows that we make that to speak and know the concerns of our community. So we... Understand that not all the community needs the overnight parking. But we already have a list with the names. We have like 23 person that we really need the overnight permit. So if you guys can give us just a permit during that night, we are willing to move our cars during that day, right?

Yes.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you. Any others?

Hi, my name is Sergio Romay. I've been living with Orange Store for a long time before my kids. So now my kids have a car. Okay, so now we need a space for the cars, right? We want to stay in Fullerton. We don't want to move to another cities, right? When they don't have the issue with the parking lot, With the permits, I know neighbors like Anaheim and other cities have different programs. Like right now, like I say, they work really hard to get the Woodcrest Park renovated for the kids. My kids enjoy it. I believe everybody's kids enjoy it too. But now they're grown up. Now they have a cart. Now, you know, so that's the main reason that we need the parkings for our kids now. We're not doing it as for us, and we're doing it for our kids. The same thing, what they do with the park, now we need for the parking spaces. We agree. We talk as a community. We understand that we have to move our cars. The only thing we need a space is for overnight. A lot of us, we need the space for nighttime. So most of the time, we start early to work, so Trust me, the parking, the park will be empty for us, so the public can use the parkings. So that's the main thing that we need. Just allow us to park overnight after the park is closed, have the peace of mind, oh, we can park there with no tickets. We're going to do our part. to obey the rules, the times. So that's pretty much, I think it will help us a lot. Let us use the parking space overnight. Once again, a lot of us, we work early. So that way, the car is going to be moved from the park. So the park will be available for the public to use the spaces. Yeah, that's pretty much what we're asking here as a community. Right now, 400 West Orange Store, that's the main one that we need. There's a complex. I forgot how many apartments we are, but I think we're more than 300 apartment units on that area. And also, the rule, the city, not having overnight parking, I think they didn't think about that 100 years ago. That rule is 100 years old. I believe they don't expect to have this evolution with cars now. So that help us. They will help us now, and we've helped in the future. And that's it.

Thank you.

Good evening, commissioners. My name is Abraham. I came here to Fullerton on the 17th, 2017. I was living in Garden Grove in a house, but luckily I divorced with my wife, and my kids love Fullerton, so they don't want to move with me. So I moved with them, but the mom left the house, and I start living like a nightmare because on the side of the apartments rules they have a town truck and we need to move the cars like when is the parking in the rice pad and luckily my car broke And I go to the DMV to put it on hold. And the apartment manager said, no, you need to move it up, or they're going to town. Take it. And it was the apartments and the city, two problems. If I move to the street, I got a problem with the sweeping street and the ticket. And I decide, like, to put on a hole and move it somewhere else. And now I'm riding the bus and I feel bad for my sons because one of them started working night shift and he walked from the work to my house and I decided to fix one car and let him use it. but when he come back from the job, he got to park like 20 minutes away from the apartments because there is no spot. And we want you to help for us. It's not for us. It's for our kids now. That's all I can tell. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir.

Good evening. I'm going to try my best to speak in Spanish because, I mean, in English because Spanish is my first language. The first thing that I'm going to ask is please help us as soon as possible. I know that it's not easy to fix it because it takes time, but we've been waiting already for months. We've been talking with the neighborhood. Another thing that worries me is about the lottery because here we're like 17 family, but we're being... having meeting like every week or weekly or two weeks and it's around 25 27 families for sure that we care I know that Larry is gonna I mean help a lot of other people but in this time I'm gonna be selfish and I'm gonna talk about my the people who are here because we spend like how many hours like two hours I came from work and I guess I have a little snack and I almost sleep right now. But I'm going to be selfish and think about this family. We have the nimes, and we live in Paul Gardner apartments. Another thing is about the fees. And again, we are low income. I know that $50 sounds easy, maybe I can afford it, but not everybody can afford it. So just think about it because 50, I don't know if you're suggesting monthly or I don't know, a year or something, but If it's some fees, we want to know exactly. That way we can talk and we can see if everybody can pay for it. Because maybe I can do it, but nobody else can do it. And another thing is if we're going to do it over the night, I have an idea to have a sign, a big sign, and waiting people, I mean residents or people who use the park, letting know that The parking lots are free. I mean for the public until 10 p.m. If not they're going to get tickets or they're going to move the cars. I don't know. That's the only thing that I have. Thank you. Good night.

Thank you. Any other comments. Anyone online. I do not. OK we'll bring it back to commission then and just a couple of thoughts from me. First I don't think that the pilot at 12 months or even 18 months is appropriate. I think we probably need to try to expedite and do something over a six month term so that we can try to learn as quickly as possible. I would be in favor of a pilot, for sure, because I think there's definitely a need. And then to the earlier comment about the skate park and the fact that it is dilapidated, I've seen it. I've actually questioned why it even exists because of so much that we've taken away from it. If we could find a way to incorporate that into the plan to add additional parking, I think that's great. Some concerns I have. I think it's important to talk to the residents that are impacted and certainly many of them have shown up here. So thank you. But I think it's important to survey the community and really talk about the impact so that we can incorporate that into the learnings from the pilot. I also think It's important in the language of the permitting that we're very clear around how long that permit is good for and also what the process is to re-up for a following term. So if the permits are good for hypothetically six months then they'd need to reapply in theory because what we what I'm concerned of is that we couldn't necessarily I would be leery of grandfathering somebody into a permit for the rest of their residency there so and that eliminates the ability of other residents to potentially be applicants for a permit so and then just for clarification the 50 fee is an annual fee correct yes it's currently structured as annual okay so i think as as low as we can keep the fee um i think that's the best way. So if there's precedent and I believe there is for their fees, um, we should keep those as low as possible. But again, my thoughts are, um, that we should look to do a six month pilot and try to move as quickly as possible with our learning. Um, you know, propose potentially repurposing the dilapidated skate park for additional parking, um, and then survey the community to make sure that we are truly giving, The the community an opportunity to weigh in certainly we have some passionate folks here that have have dedicated their time to this cause which we appreciate Certainly, but we'd like to hear from everyone Any other commissioners with comments or thoughts?

I would agree. I think it should be a six month program. If other parks or high density apartments that are across from parks are looking at the same kind of avenue, it feels like if these people, if the Woodcrest Association is willing to come in front of us, I'm sure a lot more people are out there as well that are also feeling the pressure of tickets or otherwise. So I would agree with a quick timeline of kind of getting that study done. And yeah, thank you guys for coming out. Of course, any time.

I do agree with an expedited process here. I think people's lives are impacted, and it's very important to address these issues quickly. Thank you.

I also agree. Six-month expedited pilot program, because I think We're going to learn a lot very, very quickly. And I think with the 42 or 40-ish stalls that will be opening up there. Unfortunately, I'm going to disagree with my colleague, McKendree, on the skate park. This neighborhood worked countless years alongside myself. And I'm talking about countless years. We went through a few directors, a few staff, Parks and Rec staff, probably about seven years worth of work to design this park that opened up in 2019, December 2019. And it is a little unfortunate that that the skate park is dilapidated. It was really thriving right after COVID. It was thriving right before COVID for the very short period of time that it was open from December 2019 to pretty much March. But after that, it was really, really thriving. I think... There was some expectation that Parks and Rec was gonna be providing some support for the upkeep of that, because I was in those meetings. I think this was before current staff was around, so. Not blaming you guys at all in that sense. But yeah, we worked countless years for that park or that area to be accessible for the youth to use. And I do understand, right, that the quick fix would be like, hey, open it up and add some more parking spots in there. But that was something that was expressed by the community at large for many, many years back. They knew the struggles even back then with parking. And this is nothing new to this community. But to take that open space from the youth would be detrimental in the sense of like a lot of things that kind of happens in South Fullerton. Kind of it's provided and then it's kind of taken away. and so I wouldn't want to see that happen for sure it'll be but I think let's try the 40 stalls first and move that forward and then I'll talk about the skate park after because that's not what we're talking about right now but yeah 40 stalls let's go six month program and then definitely kind of move that forward

Commissioner I appreciate the sentiment ultimately for me like that's why I think it's important to talk engage the community with a survey to essentially assess in at this point in time Because we've heard that some of the youth that this park was created for have now grown so if if this if the community is surveyed and the community comes back and says yes, let's keep the skate park and I'd be all for keeping the skate park. At this point, we don't know what we don't know unless we survey the community. So what I'd ask is that whatever we do in this process, whether the plans for the future of the skate park are incorporated in the here and now or not, we at least ask and ask them to weigh in so that we can make a decision from an informed perspective. With that, are you looking for a motion here? on suggestions or what are you looking for.

Yes. So direct the recommendation for you for the commission to provide direction. So the next steps would be to recommend to council an implementation of a pilot program. Sounds like everyone's on board with that. We'll motion at the end. And then the other notes I have six month term and I'm looking at the early morning parking and just for clarification that is so that parking permit program ends on December 31st every year. There's no proration and then that's the 50 dollar annual fee. We will do a 60 month sorry a six month pilot program for this and then we are incorporating a lot of the language already established in the early morning parking program. just so we can streamline it and not create another policy per se, because this is already established. The other note that I have here, Yeah it's mostly six month pilot program so that's what would be recommended to council for implementation. So we'll work on the language we'll work on the policy itself and we'll present that to council if that's the direction of the commission.

So I'm happy to make a motion that we recommend to council that we implement a six month pilot program and recommend that we survey the community for the future potential of what parking could be related to the skate park, whether the skate park stay, whether the skate park be repurposed. And as a part of this recommendation, we would come back after six months then for a longer term solution.

OK. And then just for clarification and for the group here, The lottery itself I know there's a lot of conversation of the group that's here priorities etc. We will take kind of the block in the neighborhood there. It's not specifically for the first apartment complex unless that's what commission would want. But overall the intent is a lottery system for the block itself that neighborhood block versus just one apartment complex. So I just want direction on that.

Yeah, I understand that proximity plays a lot of into where people park. However, I think it is a city park That serves a community and the community is made up of more than just one apartment complex So I think it's appropriate to open it to the block All right, so yeah with that I

Yeah, if you guys want to make a motion, six-month pilot program and survey, I think that that's the motion that's on the table. That's the motion on the table, yeah.

And then just to also get clarification, the early morning parking program, that's also being implemented in the Woodcrest neighborhood, correct?

I actually, I can look at the map and get you an answer.

Can you find out? Because I believe that's... That was also my... Can you put the map back on for the early morning? Yeah. It was really hard to kind of see, but...

I'll pull it up on mine as well.

Yeah, if you can. Because I thought there was supposed to be something happening there. I just didn't know if it was... Actually being implemented.

So it looks like there's there's exemptions on the Highland so south of Orangethorpe on Highland and Baker. So just that immediate space there.

No that's Valencia. Orangethorpe's further down.

Yeah all the way down Eche. Where you see like the T right there.

It looks like. OK. Yeah it looks like Highland and then behind behind the park.

That's on the. That's on the west of the park. The west side of the park. Yeah. That's where this exemption for early morning program.

Okay. And then further. Further west. Correct.

Further west would be. Yeah.

That's Euclid. Right. Yeah. Okay.

All right. That's right there. Right there.

So that's early morning exemptions. Right. Or early morning programs.

Early morning parking exemptions map. Yeah.

That exists today.

Yes. Based on this map.

Yeah. And really familiar with this neighborhood.

So there's. Yeah. That's I think a single family neighborhood. Yeah.

And then a lot of people park on actual Richmond and Orange Thorpe to go to the park as well too. So it's not. I mean because of. parking challenges like and then just kind of getting in it's really like i don't know if you guys have actually tried to drive into that area like to that parking to those parking stalls it's really challenging so a lot of people park on richmond right yeah um alongside the park but just because it's just a lot easier and you can just still access like the grassy area and stuff so

Yeah so there's exemptions. I think here what it looks like for the early morning program and I'm.

I just want to make sure that there is also

Yes that's on the west side of the park there it's that exemption which is the blue lines.

Yeah. So I'm just making sure that I think that we all know that it's not just these 40 stalls that there is other alleviated. Correct.

But I believe the early morning exemption yes it's block exemptions for that I guess that block of homes there. Yeah. That's submitted for that request and that's who has the permit per the address.

Yeah for them to be able to park. Yeah.

Just for clarification for this specific parking program It's not just for the palm gardens apartments, but also for the Highland Creek apartments. It would be the yeah Yeah, the okay.

I believe that's the name. Sorry.

I don't know that so just the commissioners McKenzie's point is Just make it in that area. Yeah. Within that block is what.

So it's Palm Gardens. So it's Palm Gardens apartments south of that. There's a secondary like on Baker. It looks like Baker kind of headed east to Highland. There's another apartment complex there.

Yeah.

So we would include kind of that block.

OK. Yeah. So that geographic area there. OK. Understood.

Perfect. And we're just focusing on the park.

The park itself for the overnight parking. Correct.

All right. There's a motion on the table. Is there a second. I have a second.

I'm sorry who's second. Commissioner Maldonado.

Yes.

Commissioner Talavera.

Yes.

Commissioner Kim.

Yes.

And Chair McKendree?

Yes.

Motion passes.

Very cool.

All right. I'm over here packing up like we're done. All right. Where are we here? Let's see. Is that it? Are we opening this up to commissioner and comments? Is that what we're doing? All right. Commissioner and comments. Sorry, guys. This has been a long day. Remember, Christian, what you said at the beginning of this. All right. Any comments from commissioners?

For sure. I think I'll start with I think definitely I would like to ask staff to explore funding regenerate the skate park at Woodcrest Park take a look at that and then making sure that we're also addressing one of the public comments and then I've also been getting messages about the restrooms so connecting with the The company that does the cleaning there just making sure that that they're frequently and not skipping out on some days or times that that they should be there so. This community is pretty active so.

Any other commissioner comments yeah I have some. First I want to just mention about the non-smoking signs and that I'm glad they brought it up It's something that I've heard not just for the woodcrest park, but kind of all Most of the parks if we can have I know they're non-smoking areas just in proximity of playgrounds But also if we can have signage built in as well or at least have like an analysis of what that cost would be and In addition, for the skate park, either reinvigorate that kind of area or look at the possibility of moving the pump track there. I thought that would be interesting. Two or three other things. I got a message from a person who lives across from UP Park. They shared that since 4th of July, there has been like a buildup of trash and fireworks and other kind of materials that have kind of littered from up across truslow i was wondering if we can look into that or at least us or public works or anything could see if there's any what the status is and we can go in and actually clean it up uh The one thing I did want to mention is I did get some information about the Bass and Cherry tree farm, which is about two parcels of land right off Bass and Cherry by the high school. I had a few people kind of ask what the status of that land use is, if we were planning on building a park, at least what the timeline is. I know we're waiting for the park's master plan, but if there's any kind of update that we can have of Well, I know that land is specifically designated for parks. And so I was wondering what the what's the plan for that?

So we did receive we did have a design for Besson Cherry Park, the tree farm. The estimate for like the estimate for the build was relatively high, much higher than we anticipated. I think it was like one million dollars. And it was just more of a nature walk per se. So we were waiting on additional funding, like park dwelling funding from some of the developments to explore our options there. In addition to the parks master plan, which I think it's a good segue, we did receive submittals. So we're actually in the evaluation phase right now of those. And they came in relatively early. Happy with all the firms that actually submitted pricing across the board is you know it's a little lower than we have much reasonable than we expected. So we're evaluating those as we speak. But in regards to Bass and Cherry I think right now our park dwelling dollars are prioritized at Independence Park. Right. Try to finish that project and then we're going to reevaluate all the park projects on the horizon to reallocate that funding. Understood. Thank you.

The kind of in line of what one of the commenters said was if we can have an update on the urban forest management plan Just to see I know it's like as he said it was been three years since we implemented but if we can have a status update of what's what the tree service is like, anything of like the arboretum or whatever.

Yes, we can talk to our landscape team and then have our arborist attend or our landscape manager to provide an update.

Yeah, I can inquire about that. And finally, or second to finally, I've been talking to some people and they were sharing that they are allergic to Chinese elm trees. And if we can preference, or at least have an understanding of if we can plant native trees rather than Chinese elm, since I guess one is a heavy pollinator and creates a lot of hives for people. But I don't know if that's something we can look into. Maybe when the arborist is back and we can discuss the possibility of switching to solely native trees or native plants as well. But I want to thank you guys for everything you do, all of you. I see you at every single event, and I try to say hello. But you guys are out there working those streets, and I'm really happy to be a part of your team in any way possible. So thank you.

Thank you.

Any other comments from commissioners? All right. I will just. kind of tag on to the restroom conversation, not only at that park in question, but all the parks. I know it's a constant upkeep issue, and it's something that we talk about seemingly the time but I think it's really really important from a safety perspective we talked about why we would restrict parking overnight from a safety perspective but shoot during the daytime hours and the restrooms are unkempt and people can come and go and do what they want in there it that's first and foremost a big safety issue for our children and I think whatever we can do at that particular park, since it's been called out here, but in all our parks to make sure that we're staying on top of the cleanliness of our restrooms, I think that's super important. For anybody who's been here for a while, you know that we don't get very many visitors. So it's really great to see everyone come out tonight. So thank you for coming and weighing in and offering your opinions. We will do everything we can always to help. So we appreciate your voice, your voices, and your comments. I appreciate, like Commissioner Malnano said, I appreciate all of you and your teams for what you do every single day. It's important. important work for the city. The city certainly has a long road ahead of it in terms of financial resources, but you guys seem to figure it out every single month, and so we appreciate you very much. Since there are no additional comments from commissioners, I will go ahead and adjourn this meeting at 8.53 p.m.