About this meeting
- Government Body
- Community Development Citizens' Committee
- Meeting Type
- Community Development Citizens' Committee
- Location
- Fullerton, CA
- Meeting Date
- January 28, 2025
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Okay. It is now 06:30. Welcome to the October 14 meeting of the City Of Fullerton's Parks and Recreation Commission meeting, which will now come to order at 06:30PM. I will lead the pledge of allegiance. So please stand if you can and repeat after me. Pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America, to the republic which stands one nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. Secretary, can you please take roll?
Chair Lindstrom?
Here.
Vice Chair Nguyen?
Here.
Commissioner McHendry?
Here.
Commissioner Mesa is out? Commissioner Maldonado?
Here.
Commissioner Valdez?
Here.
And Commissioner Rhee?
All right. Thank you. I have a question because we do have an item. I'm looking at the script for tonight. Thank you for providing that. I'm looking at the agenda, and there is an item for ratifying the ad hoc committee actions of the past. But in the script, it's directing me to recommend a appointment again. So may I skip that part, that mistake?
That's correct. You you'll just go through the ratification on the regular business items.
Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that clarification. So then we're going to go to the department update. Are there any department updates from staff tonight?
Good evening. Yes, we have a presentation. Yeah, we're going to get that up here shortly. Commissioner, are you able to see it on your screen now? Okay.
Perfect. So, this is AR Parks and Recreation, update for the month leading up from September.
Good afternoon, chair and commissioners. My name is Cameron Worsham, and I'll be sharing our update for our Richmond outdoor grant excursion that we did. So on Saturday, September 28, me along with another rec staff went to the LA Arboretum. There were 43 attendees with 25 children. It was in Arcadia, and we explored the different ecosystems and hiked around to explore the wildlife and the plants. Upcoming, we have on Saturday, October 19, we're going to be at the Richmond Center learning about nonrenewable energy resources. And then on Saturday, November 23, we're going to do a hike at Carbon Canyon in Brea.
Hello, Chair and Commissioners. I will be discussing our programs. So we will be hosting along with the Asian American Senior Citizen Service Center and Caloptima Health, a health fair at Topaz Elementary. We have over 30 nonprofit organizations offering resources and health screenings to anyone that attends. And we will also be having on-site Medi Cal enrollment and an opportunity for the kiddos to do some face painting and some other activities as well as trick or treating for them.
So each of the organizations will have goodies for everyone. Last Friday, we hosted a movie night over at the community center. It was well attended. We had about a 150 attendees. The Boys and Girls Club was there offering a free craft for anyone attending.
Chick fil A was there selling food, and we got some of their profit as a donation. And Commissioners, are you able to still see the presentation? Okay. This upcoming Friday, we will be hosting a Peanuts Spectacular over Laguna Lake. Currently, we have a 150 people registered for the event, but we will be expanding it due to high demand.
We have a wait list of over 60 guests, so we'll be expanding that. At the event, we will be offering face painting, storytelling, and contest for kiddos, And we encourage costumes. We will be having a contest for the best costume as well. Over with our senior programs at the community center, we have a wide variety of fitness classes, educational lectures, art classes and weekly dance as well as karaoke. The upcoming event, the Halloween Bash Social is being hosted by our senior club.
They are taking pre registrations, and it's open to senior club members and anyone else. They just have to pay for the entry. Okay. Up next is our breakfast breakfast with Santa event. In the past, it was hosted over at Maple Center, and it has not taken place since COVID happened.
We're bringing it back this year. So this is an invitation for our commissioners to attend. The event time is starts at 9AM, but we're giving you an early access if you want to look at the space and see, where Santa will be and get to see Santa come in in a fire truck. So we are working with the Florida School District. They will be recommending us, the families that are in their after school program.
So it isn't a public event. We do we will be inviting families in the after school programs in the school district. But yeah, do you have any it's Okay. We will be hosting a toy drive for this event as well. So any child that attends will be gifted a toy.
And our toy drive will mainly be at the community center. We will have a few locations throughout the city. But if you have any, toys that you want to bring in, we'll be taking them at the community center. Okay. Up next is our we're crafty kids break camp fall break camp. It's from November 25 to the twenty seventh over at our Hillcrest Red Cross building. So we want to make sure that the kiddos have somewhere to go while the parents are still working during their fall break.
So I'll be touching base on the events that we just recently had at the Hunt Branch Library, which was our Puptoberfest event, which was on Saturday, October 5. As you can see in the pictures, the first picture on the left, that mug we were giving out for free participants and to the dogs for Puppuccinos. Did film with whipped cream. It was a very warm day, so it was very nice seeing how excited everyone got to give their dog a Puppuccino. And then the top picture, as you can see our races, we did have different categories. So we had a puppy category, a senior category, small, medium, and large breeds. You can't see in the picture, but in front of the girl in the white tank top, can see the white line on the ground. So we had the different endings for the different size of dogs. Large, obviously, was really a lot farther. The small ones, we actually had to make it smaller than what it was because they didn't want to run.
So I think we ended up being, like, 15 feet from in front of the gate. It was a lot smaller for them. As you can see the picture on the right, we did have a big photo booth area for people to come in. That was inside of the hunt, which we also had a German band playing throughout the event as well inside. And then there's a picture just of patrons enjoying the event. I'd say we had an estimated little probably a little over 800 people that were there throughout the day. It was from twelve to 4PM. We also had 12 vendors and three different food trucks and one food truck that actually was serving our else alcohol, the Rasta Margherita. And they were doing the beers, the margaritas, Michiladas, and a bunch of different alcohol drinks. And the patrons were able to walk around the entire area. And this day, you were allowed to take your dog into the Hunt library as well too to actually enjoy the music and go in there. So it was a great event.
Okay. We're at adventure play day. The last one we had was last month in September. We host these adventure play days when the school district has a non student day, and the next one will be November 1. I apologize. And the kiddos get to do crabs, go to the playground, and just enjoy some more activities while their parents are at work. And we have been selling out on registrations for the last few of these programs we have had.
The picture on the right is for our partnership with the school district. We are looking to be starting that November November. November 1. That would be the after school program. They're gonna be doing them, I believe, on Mondays and Fridays, but we are finalizing our plans and everything. That'll be from two to about 02:00 to 06:00 on Mondays and Fridays at the hunt, but this is with our contract with them. Looking to start November 1. We did do a conference week as, like, our trial run, and there's about a 140, I could be wrong on that number of kids, that were there Monday through Friday for a few hours. That was weird. Oh, okay.
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and, yes, that was conference week. So the next conference week, I believe, is in March or in the spring. So we'll be doing the Mondays through Fridays starting November 1 with the partnership with the school district.
Okay. And we have been hosting paint parties in partnership with DemiLo events. So they bring in canvases, and they guide anyone that has attended into painting. And they really allow the participants to be creative and paint paint the canvases any way they would like. The last one we had had about 20 participants, and the next one is this upcoming Saturday at the Hunt Branch Library.
Alright. Good evening, chair and commission. So now we're going to touch base a little bit on our athletics, parks, and trails updates. We did host an Independence Park Community Meeting now about two weeks ago, and it was at the Fullerton Community Center to discuss the proposed design the initial proposed design draft for Independence Park. It was relatively well attended.
I think there was about 30, community members that stopped by as well as RJM Design Group, the art landscape architect who's working on the program and on the new design for Independence Park to gain some feedback. We also have, the survey, which is live, to date. We have approximately 283 survey responses. So that's that's a really good turnout. The the surveys, range in responses.
A lot of people, to our surprise, really like the racquetball courts, in the backup hunt. So that's something that we'll take into consideration, but it ranges from, you know, yes to the skate park, no to the skate park, yes to the dog park, no to the dog park, more activities, more open play, restrooms, so lighting. So it was a really informative community meeting, so we're looking forward to gather the survey responses at the end of the month and then present them to the Commissioning Council. We do have an update for Union Pacific Trail. Staff has been working with the architects.
We are awaiting the 60% drawings, but we've made significant progress. On your screen, you can see our, proposed timeline, which we're looking to have, like I mentioned, the 60% plans completed, and it's it's a really nice, based on the, like, the initial design that we've that we've been shared by KTUA. We're very excited, once these plans are done and that we can present it to the public, but we are updating our website as we move forward in the process. We do have some very exciting, projects on the horizon and relatively soon in the next couple of months. The first one on my left, is the Valencia Park.
We're actually ready. This is ADA improvements at Valencia Park. Working with our engineer team, they're looking to add additional turf area at the entrance. So they're gonna break down some, concrete, and then they're going to, improve the restrooms for ADA accessibility as well as improve the lighting in and around the the park area, remove some benches, add some grass. And this is actually a site that we've, applied for a Kaboom grant for the playground.
So that's that's also, a potential project once we get that funded. And then the Union Pacific Park as well, to your top there, you can see the initial design with the community garden, the basketball courts, and then pickleball. And this is also part of our public works ADA projects improvement. So we're very close. We received a, CDBG funding for this.
So we're very close to, the plans, updating the plans, and hopefully, we're breaking ground on both projects. Valencia Park in the next three months, we're looking at an RFP at this time, and then for UP Park in the next six months. So we just finalized our Friday Night Live concerts with Redneck Rodeo the October at Amridge Park, and this was a very, very well received concert series. It was actually a lot of fun. Our staff, Ece, and his team and a lot of the rec leaders really put a lot of effort and thought into every single location, the band selection, the rotation because it's not an easy task to set up a concert at different parks, especially when you don't have built in lighting like at Independence Park.
So it took a lot of planning. It was well received by the community. There was about two to three food trucks every single week, and there was also really good music. So if you had the opportunity to attend any of these, we're always looking for your feedback if you have a selection of park, but we really like this year's Friday Night Live rotation of concerts. And we have our Oktoberfest, which is a extension of our Thursday night market.
This one is Halloween themed. So this year, we're actually looking to, we're gonna have a magician. It's gonna be two sets for the magician, one at five and one at seven. And we're gonna have a costume parade. We'll also have a DJ for the entire, evening as well as multiple vendors, your normal farmers market vendors, and some additional vendors.
We'll have trick or treating for the for the attendees, kids, and adults. Costumes are encouraged. The Fullerton Museum is gonna have a photo op as well as a few of our sponsors. So it's just going to be a really fun time at the downtown plaza to kind of wrap up our officially wrap up our market season. Yes.
And with all that anticipation, we are in the planning for our first night event, December 31 in the Downtown Fullerton area. This is our signature event for our department. The entire team is working diligently on all the planning aspects, and we are very excited. Hopefully, this year, there are a few surprises, that we will not share until further down the line for the anticipation, but, we will there may or may not be snow. In addition, we will have a fireworks show, multiple, you know, the kids lane and food vendors.
So we are very excited, and we look forward for the community to attend and enjoy the first welcome in the New Year with Fullerton. And that is all for our department update. Thank you.
The full update. Do any the commissioners have questions for the staff?
Yeah. I do. What's the surprise?
There may or may not be snow.
I thought he gave it away already right there. I have a minor question. I noticed that I think this is the first time that this presentation was made available on Canva. Is this gonna be the repository for the staff reports going forward? Or
I I know the presentation internally. We we create them on Canva, but I don't know if that's to the public.
Yeah. The link goes to Canva.
Oh, okay. Then it was probably a view only page. Yes. But not see. It's not for the entire agenda. It's probably only for because it's such a large item.
Right.
Correct. So I believe we are linking it, if I'm not mistaken. At least this month, we did as well.
Yes. And I I wanna say, I think it prompted me to log in to Canva. I I do have an account, so not a big But deal for for the general public, it might have been
It is it is a very large document, so we will explore some ways to help the public can have access to
it. Yeah.
I do have two questions, but I'll start and say just I think I say it every meeting, but I'm really impressed with just how much work your team is doing. You know, I think everything that we're seeing on social media and all the recaps we see every month about the work you're doing just really screams to the high the highest levels of how hard you're working to really make this feel like a community, we appreciate it. So thank you. Question I have, I saw the update on Blenstein Park and I know I'm newer to this commission, but ultimately we've talked over the last several meetings about different parks and the progress. I'm just curious because we were talking about Emory Park a couple of months back.
I'm curious if there's updates on that space because I know we were talking about the material on the flooring as whether or not that was accessible and maybe getting some more bids towards what that could look like in the future? So that's question number one.
Yes. So thank you for the initial comment. For Emory Park, we are still continuing that process. I can't get you an exact update if we obtain a quote. I don't know if Daisy has any updates, but I know we're on the playground and just waiting for some final documentation to get that going.
Yeah. I I think I remember that we were talking about should it be wood chips, should it be something else. And the question was whether or not that was the right way to go. So just kind of curious about that. And then the second question is just dating back months now to just our recreational partners recreational sports partners in the city.
I know at that time we were talking about different requirements that they had to uphold and ultimately we talked about a couple of different organizations that maybe were on an action plan or needed to fulfill certain requirements to continue with their partner status and that we would be hearing periodically about updates on that partner status and how they're meeting the requirements of the city. Just curious when we might hear of those updates.
We can we're about halfway through the fall season, if I'm not mistaken. We don't have any additional issues or, challenges to their partnership status. Everyone's been in compliance. Everyone submitted their documents. But we can provide a recap of a little bit more detailed recap at our next meeting through our updates.
That'd be great. I just think it's prudent to make sure that if we have an expectation of these organizations that we check up on them and report on it occasionally so that we can do our due diligence but also give them the opportunity to put their best foot forward because as I remember it there were a lot of the organizations that were not compliant in one, two, three areas and we want to give them the opportunity to show up the right way for their organizations. Thank you.
I do want to add a few things. So with Emory Park, we did order the play equipment. It has a significant lead time, and we wanted to get ahead of that. So that is in the queue. And then in the options for the bids to come back for the actual work, we are getting quotes for both the wood chips or the rubberized surfacing material.
Just our initial estimates based on talking to different folks. There's additional concrete work that needs to go in as a base layer with the rubberized surfacing. So we're looking at about a $150,000 in additional expenses. And then for the, sports groups, a couple additional updates. We did finalize the MOUs and working with our legal counsel, so we'll get those out for the groups for the following season. We want to give them plenty of time to review before the season starts. And then we did get a final update on Clark Park from the county, and our final extension is through the December to get us through the fall season.
Thank you. And then VT ZT, I'm sorry, takes over after that? Okay. Okay. Thank you.
All right. Any other comments or questions for the staff on the staff report tonight?
Were there any surveys done or anecdotal reports from the people who attended the Friday night concerts? Like, now?
No survey, but we did receive, feedback via emails. We received positive feedback from the vendors and a few attendees through e mail.
I have a chance to just stop by for the concert here at Amerenge Park. Bathrooms, is there and I was wondering at the other locations where the bathroom is typically open or do you have access to bathrooms?
At every location, there was access to bathrooms. Yeah.
Parking was would be an issue, I guess, too.
We didn't the only one that probably had a little bit more of a parking challenge was Hunt Library because the initial parking lot, was built up pretty quickly. But the rest of the locations, there weren't major issues with parking. And then in all of our social media, prior to each week, we would identify parking locations for
all the attendees. Great. Thanks.
All right. Last chance for questions from the commissioners
on this? Yes. So for for Puptober, really great. Loved it. My dog looked was amazed, I think. I I just have one question. So for the costume contest, when we signed up, the employee told us that they were we were gonna get, like, a text message for $10 for signing up and for, like, the cost of signing up, I assume. And that's cool. I have no problem with that. But I asked a couple of other attendants, like, a couple of people who participated as well. And I never received the text message, and they never received it as well. Do I owe you $10? Or
There was about 3 people that participated that we did not collect the fees from once we got all the numbers finalized. I apologize that they said there'd be a text message. It would've just going walked right back to the ticket booth, and we were taking payments on-site there for all the all the walk ups.
Got it.
But there was about three of you that we didn't I didn't had no idea who you were, I wasn't gonna go hunt you down. So was nice to see everyone up there, but you're not the only one. About three others.
Was just wondering. Thank you. Thanks
for being honest. Any other questions from the commission? All right. If not, we're gonna move on to the next, item, which is public comments. So this is the time for members of the public to address the commission on any items of interest to the parks to the public that is within the subject matter jurisdiction of this commission, Parks and Recreation. Other than those items listed on the agenda later, and we have two items, if you do have comments on on those items, you'll you can wait until we get closer to those items, and I will call for another opportunity for public comment. So please step forward. State your name and address for the record if you have a public comment.
Concerts, I went to all of them, and I really enjoyed it even though I don't like that kind of music. I like country music country music, but that wasn't what was that's only their name. They did there was no country music there. However, what I really enjoyed was watching the little kids running around and seeing everybody have such a good time. The suggestion I have, and I made it clear to the staff that was there, just wanna make sure it bubbles up to this point, and and that concerns parking.
When you have limited parking, what happens is people that are not an hour early, but only a half hour early, what they do is they go around and around, they go out, and they look for another parking lot. So a lot of time is wasted just going in and out. And the suggestion is when you note that, you put a person there with the sign and able to tell them which way to go to the next parking lot. You will always have not enough parking. So make sure you keep in mind the people that operate this, they're so early they don't have to see that problem.
So I want to make sure that you get it.
Good evening, commissioners and staff. My name is Jensen Halstrom. First, wanted to really thank staff for all of you guys' work and, especially with the Richmond Outdoor Grant. I think those are really great opportunities for you know, those children to see very beautiful natural places that, you know, they may have not otherwise had the chance to see. So thank you for that.
I wanted to start off by bringing to the Commission's attention a very serious issue affecting our local trails and parks mostly for about like the past ten years has been an invasive bore beetle that has infected and killed many trees within Fullerton's parks and trails. And specifically over at Hilcher Park, there has been major losses of 80 year old native California sycamores and oaks. And unfortunately, I have recently observed several trees which were heavily infested, reported them to public works and landscape department, and I recommended a local contractor who provides treatment services that could potentially save some of these trees and potentially prevent infection in others. And it should be known that Helcher Park, about 15, almost 16 acres, is home to Fullerton's largest grove of native oak trees, which is a coast live oak. And most of these were planted around the late thirties, early forties.
And these are very majestic, beautiful native trees that are really the defining character of this space. Any family that will visit Hilter Trail will notice the really extensive beautiful sprawling canopies. But, you know, unfortunately, with without proper awareness and action, a lot of these trees can continue to be infected and and killed. So I was hearing overhearing a little earlier some discussion between commissioners about volunteering opportunities. I think that this commission should seriously consider the implementation of a volunteer tree care group, much like Adopt a Trail or Adopt a Park programs have been very successful.
I think there's very many residents that would be interested in simply walking parks, trails, residential areas to specifically observe, identify, document and report certain signs or symptoms of health or structural defects, including diseases and pests. So really hope there can be some discussion and possibly action on implementing such a program. Thank you.
Chair, I have no one on Zoom.
No one on the call. Okay. Does anyone else have any a public comment? I don't see anyone else in the audience, so probably a no. Okay.
I will now close the public comment section and move on to the next part of our agenda, which is the approval of the consent calendar for the meeting for this meeting. Is there any item that the commissioners wish to pull from the consent calendar for discussion? No? Okay. If, if not, then, I'm going to make a motion to accept accept the consent calendar items.
Second.
Second of the motion to approve the consent calendar. Who motioned? Oh, I made a motion and Oh, then seconded okay. By Thank you. Commissioner Nguyen.
Commissioner McHendry?
Yes.
Commissioner Mesa? Oh, he's out today. Commissioner Maldonado?
Aye.
Commissioner Re?
Yes.
Commissioner Valadez?
Aye.
Chair Lindstrom? Yes. And Vice Chair Nguyen?
Aye.
Motion passes.
Okay. We'll now move to the regular business portion of the meeting. We have two agenda items. The first item is to ratify an ad hoc committee nominations. So there's no staff report accompanying this, but, I would like to make a statement just for context for why we're discussing this item again, if that's all right.
Okay. So, this agenda item to ratify past actions of this commission to create and then appoint members to a temporary parks and rec ad hoc committee, which whose function it is to recommend to this commission ways to improve, its participation on city parks and rec matters, how to improve represent representing the voice of the public that we serve in alignment with the staff. As one commissioner commented at a prior meeting to add more structure to the commissioner's service to the city. Those actions were completed over two public parks and rec meetings on 08/12/2024 and 09/09/2024. The ad hoc committee was created by a vote of this commission at the August 12 meeting.
That was agenda item number six. No public comments were received. Following that vote, two commissioners were appointed by the action of the commission during the staff and commission comment period. A third appointment was continued to the September meeting to give two absent commissioners a chance to potentially accept an appointment. And that is what happened at the 09/09/2024 meeting.
Again, no public comments were received. On September 10, the staff received an email complaint from a member of the public after this person observed the September 9 meeting stating, quoting, the whole discussion about an ad hoc committee and never even took public comments, unquote. It's not clear, at least not to me, whether the complaint was speaking of the September 9 appointment of the third ad hoc committee member or the entire creation of the ad hoc committee prior to that appointment, which was discussed on 08/12/2024. Although the staff did perform due diligence to research a proper process for the ad hoc committee item, out of the concern of erring on the side of public participation, an item to ratify the past action or actions related to the temporary ad hoc committee was put on the agenda tonight for public comment. But I want to state out of fairness for all of the public who may or may not be in attendance at this meeting tonight, that meeting do overs of an ice because of an isolated complaint are
not
the norm. In fact, I think it's problematic and unfair to recast a vote on a former agenda item when proper protocol was followed. Imagine if you showed up for a meeting to speak on an item and provide input, which was then voted on, and you think resolved. And then the next meeting gets voted on again because of a complaint from a person or maybe a couple of people. So now because I hope that this ad hoc committee item is not so consequential as to rise to the level of a legal debate, and since we didn't get any public comments in the past at either of the meetings, maybe it's safe to assume that revisiting this matter tonight as a formality to on the side of public participation is harmless to all parties.
I'm just trying to be pragmatic here. Okay. So that's the context of why we're repeating this item. And I I just wanna get a little clarification because it was not clear from this complaint whether the public the lack of public comment complaint was referring specifically to September 9 with the last appointment of the ad hoc committee nomination or the entire ad hoc committee actions of the last two meetings. So how we proceed on item number four could be very simply repeating what we did in the September meeting or retreading revisiting the entire August and September actions.
It's up to the commission on the direction that you'd like to take.
Okay.
What we're simply asking for is that you open up this item for public comment Yeah. Take any public comment, and then
go from there. Got it. Okay. Well, let let me let's follow through on that. I'd I'd like to open this item up for public comments. So if you're here in person, please do step up and make a comment. As pre previously, state your name and address for the record. Okay. I'm not seeing anyone stepping up from the audience here. Is there anyone on the phone?
I have none.
No. Okay. Well, I'm gonna close the public comment section on this agenda item to ratify ad hoc committee nominations or nomination, depending on which way we go. And I I'm gonna recommend this. Since the item, the action to create the ad hoc commission or committee, I should say, was done with a notice meeting.
It was part of the specific agenda on August 12. We don't need to revisit that item again. If there's any quibble, it might be related to how the committee members were appointed perhaps. So we can revisit and just ratify the three appointments here tonight or we can simply very narrowly focus on ratifying the last appointment that was made at the September meeting.
Can we have a little discussion here? I was not at the last meeting but I did send a note that I was interested in being nominated for this. So was that considered? Since I wasn't here I don't know. So was that considered or?
Susie did tell me about that and I didn't quite know how to handle that because at the August meeting, you had stated that your term ended in December. And because this ad hoc committee's life was gonna be three months starting, we don't know yet. It felt like that that was gonna go beyond your term at the time on the commission. I didn't have anyone to ask because you were not present.
Gotcha. Yeah.
Yeah. Technically, term ends in December. However, I would assume or at least hope to be reappointed. So with that, I'm perfectly fine with where you landed with it and ultimately would offer my support in any way Well, beyond
thank you for that. And actually, on the commissioner's terms, we have three members whose terms end at the end of this year, December 2024. And then we have the balance of the commission, four members whose terms end in 2025. Now think except for Eric's situation because he's already served two terms and he cannot serve on a on a third term unless the rules change. We don't know who is going to be reappointed if it's a reappointment or a new appointment is gonna be made for those commissioners who are going to be whose terms end in December.
So and I I have no idea. Maybe there will be reappointments, maybe there will be new appointments, maybe some of us who remain whose terms don't even end until 2025. You know, we serve at the the pleasure of the city council, so that may even change. We don't really know. So all we can do is act with the information that we have today, which is four members terms end in 2025. It's December 2025, and three members, terms currently end in December 2024. Okay. At the September 9 meeting, we, appointed commissioner Rees to the, third seat of the ad hoc committee. And I wanna also emphasize the ad hoc committee is temporary. It's advisory to this full body.
We will make a recommendation to be adopted or not adopted by this commission at the time. And so it's it's not set in stone whether or not the recommendations would even be adopted by this commission. Okay? It's also temporary. I also and I I don't know this for certain because I will not be with the commission forever, but that there's obviously the the option to resurrect the ad hoc committee for the same agenda, which is improving how we represent the public through recommendations that this could be done annually, biannually, or never again.
I'm not saying that because I'm not gonna determine that. So there's a possibility that there may be future ad hoc committees with different membership. Okay? So I'm gonna I'm gonna again, we can be very narrowly focused tonight to ratify just the third appointment or we can be a little bit more broader, erring on the side of, gosh, maybe it was confusing in how the appointments were made altogether and ratified the entire three appointments that were made from August to September?
Myself, functionally, I kind of doubt there would be a difference in the commission's vote either way. So probably including everything at this point would be the safe safe measure.
Okay.
So if we're Yeah. If we're ready for that, then I would move that the three current appointees be ratified. I'll second that.
Thank you. Thank you. All right.
We can state those for the record.
Sure. Commissioner Rees, myself, chair Lindstrom, and also commissioner Maldonado.
Thank you.
Alright. Secretary, please take a vote.
Commissioner McHendry?
Yes.
Commissioner Maldonado? Aye. Commissioner Rhee? Yes. Commissioner Valadez?
Aye.
Chair Lindstrom? Yes. Vice Chair Nguyen?
Aye.
Motion passes. You. All right. We're going to move on to the next and the last agenda item for tonight, and that is the renaming of Valencia Park to Tommy Lasorda Park. We'll start with the staff report and then public comments.
Good evening, Chair and Commission. So I don't have a presentation for this report, but I want to give you a little bit of background. This item is brought to you for the renaming of Valencia Park to Tommy Lasorda Park. I know in a previous meeting, this commission, had moved forward with renaming a Fullerton Sports Complex field for Tommy Lasorda. However, in the time since then, a couple of items were brought to staff's attention.
And so we looked into it a little bit further, events. And I'd like to share that Fullerton City Council actually adopted a resolution in 2018, which adopted certain policies, objectives, and principles as a guide for the naming of public parks and recreation facilities as stated in the resolution. The City of Fullerton Parks and Recreation Commission, this body, shall assume the responsibility for naming all public parks and recreation facilities within the limits of City Of Fullerton. So the Commission will review the recommended names and make the recommendations to the City Council. In addition to that, at Valencia Park, there's been an active group who has been very vocal in kind of revitalizing Valencia Park.
There's been some unfortunate incidents in the last few months at the park site. So the Boys and Girls Club and some local organizations, the Fullerton Collaborative, OC Health Department, the school and city staff, and also OC United have shared their concerns. And staff, we reevaluated the park, the renaming, along with the CDBG project that's going to take place here in a couple of months and thought that possibly renaming the park to Tommasoorta Park would be the best option that as we revitalize that area of the city. So that's why this item is brought forward as well. This is also this has been shared with the Tommy Lasorda family, and they're in agreement with our decision.
They're supportive of our decision. And we also will continue to honor Tommy Lasorda as we plan the future of the park. So I'm happy to answer any questions, explain further, but that's all for now.
Have you received any negative feedback about this from the public?
No. We haven't received any negative feedback.
There's no ball field at Valencia Park, right, I mean, related to baseball?
There are no no ball fields related to baseball. It's on the school district grounds.
Yeah. Yeah.
Are are there gonna be any signage, plaque?
Well, the name the entry name would be Tommy LaSorte. Uh-huh. And we are in discussions as we're planning for a secondary phase of the Valencia Park possibly during a mural to honor Tommy Lasordo.
I see. Yeah. It's it's a little odd. I'm not I'm not against the idea, but it's a little bit odd that the man who's known for his contributions at baseball, his name is gonna be on this park, which really doesn't have any baseball fields or features. So which is why I asked, okay. Maybe there's gonna be a plaque or memorial, something explaining, and you're saying a mural might be that that thing, that feature.
Correct. Yeah. So in Italy, they do have murals kind of throughout the city of I don't recall Tolo. I apologize. Tolo. Same same idea of mural. And we also thought it would be, like, a connection between Fullerton and Tolo to also have a mural. There is and the mural we're thinking of is on the restroom building, which serves as a snack bar currently in the restroom. So once that gets renovated, there are fields on-site. They're connected to the school district.
Mhmm.
But there is an entry point from the city park.
Got it.
If we wanna get really technical, the property line where the field is is actually shared. It's like half of the field and park is on the city side and half of the field and park are on the school district side. But from a practicals perspective and a maintenance perspective, the land where the field is is maintained by the district and the land where the traditional park is named or is maintained by the city.
Got it. Okay. And then in your introduction, you mentioned that there were issues with the park. Perhaps, you know, it's rundown and there may be some activities. And and you mentioned that in connection with renaming the park to Tom And Lassorta. Mean, there any sort of fact based evidence to show that if you name a park a certain thing, it's gonna improve its, I don't know, reputation, how it attracts the public. How does that impact Yeah.
So a little bit of our the thought process is not too much on the research end of things is that with the improvements to the park, the CDBG renaming, it gives it a different the community will embrace the park with these new improvements to the park. That is our goal. So that along with the activity, the positive activity from the local organizations that are proactively finding ways to activate the park, I believe there was also an event, if I'm not mistaken, last Friday. I think these are all positive contributions towards the park, and renaming the park may potentially lead to other positive changes to the park, whether Kaboom, playground funding, etcetera. But I think it's a step in the right direction of where we want Valencia Park to go.
All right. Thank you.
I think my sentiments are similar to Chair Lindstrom's. And first question I had was, well, don't recall there being a baseball facility or field on the park grounds. And so while I like the idea of naming a park for Tommy Lasorda because what he meant to the baseball community and certainly what he meant to the city of Fullerton, I question if this is actually the right space. You know, I think I know the area that he lived in and I don't know that this park is actually part of that community. I I also question, is Valencia Park Elementary School the school that buttons up to the Valencia Park?
And so then conventional wisdom would say, are we are they going to consider renaming the school? But that's neither here nor there. I think Orangethorpe Elementary School is the closest neighborhood park, so to speak, to where Tommy Lasorda lived. And while I imagine the school district probably manages that entire property, if that weren't the case, I would think maybe we should consider something like that. I guess my dissension is only because it doesn't represent what Tommy Lasorda represented, and that was baseball. When you think of Tommy, you think of baseball. And while I think it's a great gesture, and certainly I can understand why the family would be supportive of the gesture, I question if it's the right location.
Commissioner McHendry, we did consider Orange Thorp since technically from a proximity perspective, it is the closest. However, we're currently working with a different organization to operate out of that Orangethorpe Community Center, and they have a much grander vision for what that space would become. We don't know if it'll come to fruition because we're still negotiating with the school district, but potentially that whole park, it's pretty small, but could become completely something completely different. So once we're working out discussions with the school district to determine feasibility, we'll bring back plans and discussion for that location.
Thank you. I do think that's in my mind at least the ideal space and this is how old I am, but I grew up playing Little League Baseball and my practices were at Orangethorpe Elementary School and there was a number of occasions where Tommy Lasorda would stop and greet the kids, right? And so to me there's an emotional connection to that but it really instilled to me baseball. And Tommy Lasorda, one of the most notable figures in all of Major League Baseball at the time, lived right down the street. And so it says a lot about that. But thanks for that consideration.
Is his home, is that a I'm I'm assuming it's not within his family's holdings anymore. Is is there a designation historic or anything like that?
His childhood, like his home in Fullerton, I do not have that Okay. Information.
Yeah. I I I, you know, I don't have a a strong feeling about, you know, whether this is the best park to name after him. I I do think that there's ways perhaps around I mean, there's an adjacent field at the school. I think there's ways around maybe telling the Tom and the sort of story through the mural or perhaps a, you know, some sort of a a statue. It doesn't have to be right now now.
But I I think that simply naming the park without having more to tie in with Tommy Lasorda's legacy, maybe a little bit hollow. But I do like the idea, the hope that renaming this park may elevate its future for the community and make it a better park. It might even attract, I don't know, donations. Right? Because it's a Tommy Lasorda park. So I I I don't oppose it, but I would hope that we can, do a better job of telling the story of Tommy Lasorda at the park versus it's just called Tommy Lasorda Park.
Yes. We'll include that in the planning of the park.
I think the only thing I'd add is I think historically in history, my recollection of recent history is limited to my mental capacity. But we've done Tommy Lasorda Day in the city the last couple of years, and we've kind of sort of activated baseball activities in association with Tommy Lasorda Day. And so I think about the logistics of doing such an event at Tommy at proposed Tommy Lasorda Park that has really no baseball facilities or access to such facilities. So it's just again, I think it is a great gesture, something to think of. I also think it's not something we need to race to because we want to name a park.
I think we should take our do our due diligence and if the Orangethorpe opportunity manifests itself in a way that's conducive to naming you know, a park that has baseball facilities for Tommy Lasorda, I think that might be the better option.
I have to agree with Chair Lindstrom and Commissioner McEndry. I actually did my student teaching at Valencia Park, and I know this just I'm very familiar with the campus. I think it's great that we're doing the Kaboom, like the playground and all the improvements. But you mentioned that the hopes is to have the community embrace the park. And I can see a lot of baseball fans, coming to sort of fans, little leaguers coming to want to see the mural and things like that.
But I don't for me, my concern is that if there were the issues prior, you know, with just the things that happened at the park, would that necessarily prevent it from happening? Because I don't see the community of Valencia Park necessarily embracing it unless when with, you know, just the ties to Tommy Lasorda and a baseball field, I think it it makes so much more sense to with the Orangethorpe Elementary. But if that's not an option, I do think that there needs to be more ties to baseball as well.
Did you get feedback from the family on this concept?
We did, yes. And they approved of the of our site location. And it's also to be noted they wanted to be more community, not so much the surrounding of baseball. I know Tommy Lasorda represents baseball, but the family and the daughter wanted to be more of a community approach. Thus, the Tommy Lasorda day, they wanted, you know, they really do appreciate the baseball, the tournament, the grandiose activities that have been hosted in the past to the root of what they wanted the Tommy Lasorda award to me was something for a community member has been given.
So that's that's a little of the feedback. I'm not gonna speak in addition their sentiments, but that's at least what was expressed to us. Thus, this park as Valencia Park has been kind of the heartbeat of that community. And to kind of just touch base on a little bit of the comment, That's why that working group has been very active in kind of retaking the park, the ownership of that park. And there's many different organizations that are involved to, you know, yes, there's challenges in and around the neighborhood, but city staff is involved, you know, at different departments just to try to better that area for that community and for the park users and the park goers.
So that's a little bit on the feedback that we've received.
Is there a direct connection between Tommy Lasorda and that field, the baseball field that's adjacent to the park?
To Valencia Park? Not to my knowledge.
No. But they're actively playing baseball at that field. What what organization is using that field?
If I'm not mistaken, I believe it's ZT. Multiple. Multiple. Don't have access. Yeah. But I know, during our I think when Citi allocated the space, there was multiple little leagues and travel baseball at those sites.
I'm not necessarily opposed Fred being renamed for coming LaSorte for that field. But there's a lot of moving parts on that park, right? And that's a little bit of somewhat of a concern because I think the Boys and Girls Club were also talking about doing a footsall field there possibly. In addition to you have the Kaboom project and you have Tommy Lasorda improvements, I guess. So it definitely seems like there's a lot that's happening in a small park. Something to consider.
Okay. Any other comments or questions from the commission before we turn this over for public comment? Looks like not. Okay. Well, at this time, I'd like to open up this item for public comments.
Okay. Again, good evening, commissioners. I want to say that I appreciate the spirit in, wanting to tie in renaming and, some improvements to Valencia Park. I do want to mention, though, about two years ago, there was a very unfortunate, occurrence at Valencia Park when, three of the original 70 year old Chinese elms, had been cut down that actually provided, all of the shade for the about, like, 10 picnic tables, that, you know, when you first walk into the park off to your right, there's a whole area of picnic tables where, you know, any sort of, like, gatherings and, you know, large groups of people would be sitting. And unfortunately, those three elms had completely shaded that entire area.
And Valencia Park is one of the few parks at around the '40s, like Byron Park, Lemon Park, Adelina Park had an entire planting of Chinese elms. So they're very characteristic to the park. They're very defining of the aesthetic and the character and, and the atmosphere of the park because, you know, they as they are about seven decades old, they're they're very, mature, beautiful, trees with very large canopies. I'm wondering what measures would be taken to conserve, the health and the structure of those trees in coming years as a lot of Chinese elms all across Fullerton have faced a lot of compounding stresses from, mismanagement. And, unfortunately, those elms, just like many others, throughout Fullerton's streets and parks have been improperly pruned, and, some of their canopies have actually been topped in the past, which leads to future, health and structural defects.
So, in the spirit of wanting to, you know, look at improving, this park as a community space, you know, I think con conserving the 70 year old trees on-site, is very integral to that. And, I know that this isn't exactly related to the naming naming of the park, but if that is, in turn, part of the intention is to help, improve the image, the, like stated, reputation, and quality of the park, I think that it's very integral that the plans that are being drafted for, the park include measures to, also prevent any sort of, disturbance from construction of any of the new features. And, I heard that some concrete was, potentially to be removed, which is always good to improve soil health, if that is the case, if concrete is going to be removed. So just hoping that some of those considerations can be in place in planning for the park because, like I said, a lot of compounding stresses from improper pruning, improper irrigation, a lot of mechanical damage from mowers and string trimmers to the base of each tree trunk, which over time has led sometimes to, root decay. And, you know, if any of, you know, the commissioners or staff has, you know, ever been to, you know, Valencia Park, Byron Park, Adelina Park, or Lemon Park, you you know that the Chinese elms are the defining feature, you know, aesthetically, and their presence is really important.
So I hope some of those things can be considered. Thank you.
Is there anyone on the phone? No. Thank you. All right. That closes the public comment section. I don't know if, Christian, you want to respond to the tree comment about preserving the mature trees there.
There's no plans to take any action with the trees.
Got it. Okay. By the way, the the trees that are in the design, the concept design here, those are existing trees. They're not new trees. Is that right?
That is my understanding. As the groundwork, it's going to include just additional turf areas.
Right. I'm going to bring this item back to the commission for a vote on the renaming of the Valencia Park to the Tommy Lasorda Park. I I can start with a motion. I think in consideration of benefiting the community immediately around the Valencia Park and the fact that the family is supportive and the fact that we are planning additional memorial feature features honoring Tommy Lasorda Lasorda, I'm in in favor of the staff's recommendation to rename park.
Commissioner McHenry?
No.
Commissioner Mesa is out. Commissioner Maldonado? Yes. Sorry. Yeah. Commissioner Rhee?
Yes.
Commissioner Valadez?
Aye.
Chair Lindstrom? Yes. And Vice Chair Nguyen?
Aye.
Motion passes.
Okay. That brings us to the last item tonight, staff communication and commissioner comments. And we are advised to limit our comments to five minutes per member. I'll I'll open this up to the staff. Any comments you want to open with?
Just an announcement. We will be closed on November 11 for Veterans Day, which is when our next meeting would fall. So that meeting will be canceled, our next meeting will be in December.
Thank you.
No additional comments.
Okay. All right. Any comments from commissioners?
I had a question regarding political signs on parks and trails. I had emailed with the city manager regarding signs that were on parks and trails and roundabouts. And and that discussion kinda went went about non or quasi public areas. But I'm noticing a lot of political signs that are specifically on parks and trails, and I'll just drop the roundabout thing because we're in a parks meeting. And that the municipal code says, real clearly, you can't put signs on parks and trails.
I know partner leagues in the past have had not action against them, but they've had when they tried to put a sign up, that was taken down pretty pretty quickly. So I I don't know why the political signs are being allowed to stay up. The municipal municipal codes is pretty clearly they can't be there. But the city manager's response to that was that they have adjusted their enforcement policy. The city manager did not not council or or park staff. Do you have any comment on that or any awareness of the issue?
No. I don't have any knowledge on the the issue.
Okay. Because where it ended up was he asked if my email was to be considered a a complaint about the signs that I had sent pictures of, and I said, yeah. And so those signs were taken down about two days later. And then the next morning, they were back up. So my main concern and why why I went to the city manager with this was I haven't really seen people do that before on parks and trails, in political in previous political campaigns.
That kinda was, at least from what I can remember, not something that was done. And it being done now is worrisome to me. And the problem was the signs were saying yes to something. And then as soon as those were up and not taken down, then there's twice as many signs right after that with no one that same thing. And it's kind of just saying, hey, everyone, fairground, fill up our parks and trails.
And I don't want those to be in our parks and trails. They're all over our neighborhoods, and they're all over places like that where that's just part of the deal. But I'd really like to see them not end up using our parks and trails like a billboard for political campaigns. So I guess that's more of a comment than a question.
I have a request, for I know that we get these, the monthly public works reports are very detailed. I hope that that doesn't take away a lot of time from the staff's other duties. But I I would like to see an end of year statistics on how many trees were planted, how many trees were cut down, just a number. That would be great. And see how we're doing in terms of replacing trees that were cut down.
K? It doesn't have to be at the same spot, but certainly, when we do cut down trees, are we replacing those in the same spot where elsewhere in the city? That would be that would be very, very good to see either in the at the end of year or maybe the beginning of next year, one of the meetings as we start the year. And then secondly, related to what commissioner McEntry had said earlier about the sports league and the field usage, at a similar request to bring that item back. And my request is slightly different.
And that I know that we've undergone changes in terms of splitting up the management of the fields between the schools, and now there's gonna be a third party managing the Clark Park fields. So I'd like to understand how the different management changes and policies potentially have affected our sports leagues, the local sports leagues use of fields. How are they perceiving in terms of, you know, the priority? Are they getting the the usage that they want? And I know there's been a lot of meetings in the past about compliance, kind of related to what commissioner McHenry said.
You know, are are they finding it onerous to provide the paperwork substantiating the compliance, or maybe something else. So because I know that administration for nonprofit can be pretty big overhead on that, although it's important on a lot of the items that we ask of the sports team. So bringing back that item, and I really would be from the perspective of field usage, is that optimal? And also from the soccer league or the the sports leagues perspective, are we doing everything we can to make available yields? Is there anything else?
I know that land is very scarce. But as we do do new developments around the city, are there opportunities for different ways to provide fields for use for the teams. So it's a mumble, a lot of jumbled up items, but really just wanna find out from the team's perspective what is the state of field usage for them. You know, are they having struggles or are there opportunities that we can take advantage of to improve that for the teams, which I can follow-up with you separately, I know. It makes sense of all of that.
And further to that line of conversation, I think what I've noticed over the last several months is that school grounds have become sort of inundated with a that's good that's future, I'd like to understand like what the difference is in terms of our pricing structure between the school system and parks, right? So I know that it may be similar, but something incentivizes these rental groups and others to go to schools versus come to us. And so I'd like to understand what we can think about doing with our partners in the schools to make sure that we're doing the right thing for the residents of Fullerton and the youth of Fullerton. Because at some point, and I've seen it already, some of these fields are getting destroyed the school grounds. And I think that there's something that we could potentially lean into there to maybe alleviate some of that pressure.
All right. Anyone else have comments for the staff?
Kind of just bringing it back to the public's question about boar beetles and or more in terms of invasive species. Do we have, like, a plan just in case of we were I mean, it seems like we are, but if invasive species does like invade a park or wild grass grows along our trail, do we have like a process of identifying that and removing it? Or is that all in the arborist in that case?
Yeah. So do so our landscape manager or landscape supervisor works directly with our arborist. Once they receive a complaint, as mentioned, they'd go out, inspect the tree, make a determination if the tree is healthy or if there's any action that needs to be taken. Okay.
Can we add that option of, like, I guess, presence of invasive species on the My Folderton app? I know that you can submit, like, and you can submit requests for, like, tree trimming or or, like, a fallen tree in that case. But could you also add, like, the presence of disease on a tree if someone were to notice that or if it was like infested by bore beetles in that case?
We can look into it. Okay. We have a free app right now, so there's limited features.
Oh, I see. Okay. Thank you.
It's a good idea. You.
A little different note. And I earlier recognized just the great work of staff and I'll do it again briefly, but thank you. But as we continue to work towards creating more events for the public to get involved in, you know, professionally I'm a I work in retail security for a major sportswear company and I have a real interest in public safety. And so what I do know to be true though is when we when any organization starts to mobilize and create events that drum up participation of the masses, like there becomes a risk when it comes to public safety. And I'm just curious to know what are there SOPs in place for when we involve law enforcement for guidance around safety, when we anticipate bringing in hundreds of people into an event.
Do we have pretty detailed plans around that in terms of our operating procedures? And I would just encourage staff to as you continue to grow participation in the city that we think about those safety precautions because we really don't want to make news for any other reason but, you know, great reasons.
So public safety is part of the review process for all of our special events in the city, both, publicly organized as well as those submitted by private entities. And then depending on the scale of the event, they will assess, what type of security measures need to be in place. And for the large scale special events, they will have a full incident action plan in place. And you may not see them, but we have, like, drones available at some of them where they're watching, you know, from different angles. And they do work with larger regional entities if needed. It just depends on the scale.
All right. Any other comments from the commission?
I have a request from a resident near Gilbert Park about the possible use of portable bathrooms. Is that a request that's to Parks and Rec? Just walking by there, there's a group of homeless people as well and used toilet paper that was thrown around. And when I was there, I saw somebody urinating against the wall. So I didn't find another, like, public bathroom nearby, so if that's a possibility.
Sorry. To clarify, is there a request to have a portable restroom at We Gilbert can review that internally.
Okay.
Concerning the Kapoom projects that you're applying for, when would you find an update? Or how does that typically work to see if you've been awarded a project there at Valencia at Union Pacific?
So, there's it's a processed approach. It's so we submit the application. Once the application is submitted, we're informed that we're kind of in this queue until a fund a funding partner because Kaboom works with different funding partners, until a funding partner kind of selects our project, and that can vary. That can be someone that believes in the mission of the of the park, someone that's local. So Kaboom works nationwide, so there's different opportunities.
And it's also the dollar amount to that project. So after a funding partner is selected, there's a design phase, a community design phase, and then a build phase. There's no timetable really. It all depends on the funding for that project. So I don't have any specific, like, month to tell you if it's six to twelve months, but some projects can range.
Kind of on that note, I did remember something. For the group, we did receive an announcement that we will be receiving $1,000,000 courtesy of senator Umburg and his advocacy for Independence Park, specifically for the restoration and improvements of the gym facility. So the million dollars has been confirmed. We don't necessarily have a check-in hand, but that is good news moving forward. So staff will be working on a plan to make improvements and bring back or reopen Independence Park Gym in the future. And we will take that into consideration as we're working on this master plan for the remainder of the site.
Concerning the Kampoob project, I'm working on the one at the Boys and Girls Club. And so I think in December is when the build will occur. So they're definitely looking for volunteers. So if anybody is interested in helping, that's obviously, it's an exciting program. And what was the last item that I had? No. That will probably be it then. Thanks.
All right. Any other comments from the commission? Okay. If not, then I am going to adjourn the meeting at 07:54.
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No. Yeah. Okay, great. So I think for this evening's presentation, I'm going to kind of go through some of the information requests from the committee from the prior meeting. So we're going to we put together some of the general questions on the sales tax ballot measure data that was requested last time just so the committee has it in like a written format.
I know we answered the questions last time, but we'll review that very quickly. The committee at the previous meeting also requested the percentage of the salary adjustments for over the term of the different bargaining group contracts. We have also information on the police department grant funding, and we have captain or chief John Radis who's going to be presenting that information remotely. And we also I think we had at one point his analyst as well to answer any questions. From that point, we'll go into some of the questions about the Business Improvement District and I believe we have CED here present to answer those questions.
And then we'll end with trying to schedule our next meeting date as well as potential future discussion topics. So with that, on Slide three, I think some of the last meeting questions came up as to the approximate amount that the sales an add ons transaction and use tax or the add on sales tax measure could potentially yield an additional general fund revenue. So we just wanted to memorialize this and make it an easy reference point for the committee. And as previously conveyed, about a one percent add on sales tax would generate pretty much equivalent plus or minus to what the city collects in sales tax revenue, which is about $30,000,000 And then just conversely at 0.5%, 0.5% sales tax would be about 15% and then at 0.25 sales tax would be about $7.6 So you could do the math upwards or downwards, but I think that 1% add on sales tax at about $30 is a good starting point to do any calculations backwards or forwards. On Slide four, this just kind of memorializes the different bargaining groups.
We entered into multiyear contracts with these groups and these are the annual increases year over year. So these are are there any questions on either of the first two slides? With that, then I will go ahead and hand the presentation over to Chief Reyes.
Good evening, everyone. Can you hear me?
Yes. We can. Thank you.
Okay. Perfect. Thank you, committee members, for the opportunity to, discuss this with you. I apologize that I'm not there in person. I'm at a training in, along the Central Coast, but I appreciate the opportunity to Zoom in.
So I haven't done this via Zoom before, so I apologize if, if, it's not, as clear as it could be if I was there. We have quite a few grants that we get from both the state and the federal government. The first one is the Department of Alcohol Beverage Control. It's the ABC. We get roughly a $100,000, $99,000, and that funds ABC operations enforcement, which includes a shoulder tap program, our ability to do, checks on, establishments that sell alcohol, both liquor stores and, restaurants, to make sure that they're in compliance.
It also allows for, training and education for the establishments as well as, for patrons that are actually in the in the businesses themselves. We get the congressional community project funding. That's about $2,500,000. That came from congressman Lucrea and congressman Michelle Steele. That's, to do renovations and restorations to our building, which is a very old building.
It, is obviously in constant need of upgrades. The county of Orange, gave us 500 I'm sorry, million dollars for our two year pilot program for two behavioral health clinicians. We're the only ones in the county that will have this. And there are, mental health workers, social workers that will be out in our community responding to calls for service and then responding with our officers as well. We also did the BSCC, which is the board of state of state and community corrections.
That was for a wellness fund for, our officers, roughly $80,000, that funds different wellness programs for the officers, whether that's for mental health check ins, for equipment, for workout equipment, and that's for our employees. Through the California Highway Patrol, we get the cannabis tax fund grant, and that funds programs that we teach. We're one of three agencies in the state of California, which is the California Highway Patrol, the Los Angeles Police Department, and Fullerton PD. And we teach classes called DRE, which is drug recognition expert, and that's an international program. Again, we're one of three in the state of California that teach it as well as advanced roadside intoxicated driver education and standardized field sobriety testing.
And so we teach officers obviously within our own agency and then throughout the state of California. Actually, really, the nation come to Fullerton for our training. And then it it also allows for, the materials that we use in that. We received a grant from the DOJ, the Department of Justice, and that's, that was this year. It was it's called a JAG grant.
We received about $27,000 to upgrade, our DNA storage freezer in our property division. Through the California Office of Traffic Safety, we received, it's called a STEP program, which is selective traffic enforcement, about $285,000. That's for DUI checkpoints. We do five to six a year. And then, traffic safety enforcement, which would include DUI saturation patrols.
We do regularly multiple a week. We do traffic, enforcement as it relates to seat belt enforcement, red light enforcement, pedestrian safety enforcement, bicycle safety enforcement throughout the year. We also received the prop 69, grant, and that was and this year was about $80,000. That was for, different various equipments for our crime scene investigation. And then lastly, we received, the tobacco grant, through the California Department of Justice in the amount of $291,000, and that's to enforce both, those that are selling tobacco, and then underage use of tobacco as well.
So for a total of about $4,800,000. And next slide, please.
I think before, chief Redis moves on to the next slide, I think I just wanted to highlight that while we in fiscal year twenty four, twenty five, we did get a significant amount of grant funding. Some of this money is onetime. Some of it is recurring. And some of these grants cannot supplant existing budgeted expenditures. So if there's any questions on that, I think Chief Radius' analyst, Lauren Parkhouse, is also available online to answer any questions.
Only just to ask whether the 4,800,000.0 4,900,000.0 is that in line with what you receive in grants in a typical year?
I'll let the Chief answer, but my understanding is that 2,500,000 is kind of a onetime, and it's not something that's commonly received on a recurring basis. Yeah. So
Yeah. That yeah. That's that's correct. The 2.5 is definitely a onetime. It was appropriated, specifically for the department, but I don't anticipate us receiving that again in the future. The rest of the grants, I mean, they they range, you know, the the office of traffic Safety Grant, $285,000. We're we're typically somewhere in that range, as well as the, the California Cannabis Grant. We did receive more, last two years ago, and that was to help purchase a mobile command post, but we are pretty well established. Actually, we received the same amount. Part part of it went to a mobile command post, but we're very well established with with cannabis, the California cannabis grant.
And so most of these are about the same, you know, give or take.
And I think chief Reyes, if you could speak to it, I believe the the $1,000,000, pilot program grant, I believe that's kind of a one time over that two year period.
That is all yeah. Yeah. That's a two year pilot program, and once the fund we we don't know what will happen when that is done. My guess is that it will actually, I shouldn't speculate. So that is that is, as it stands today, a onetime two year pilot program grant.
And the chief is next on the next slide. He's gonna talk about asset forfeitures. Asset forfeitures is money that the police department does receive, but we we kind of treat it as other contributions, but it's, it's not a grant per se. So with that, I'll hand
it over to the chief.
Yeah. Thank you. So asset forfeiture is when, our narcotics unit or any other unit that deals with, really mostly narcotics, seizes funds. There's a, a process that goes through the the federal government where we can seize those funds and use them for law enforcement purposes. It's through the or the the the federal Department of Justice, and those funds are governed by the DOJ's Equitable Sharing Guide.
They must be expended in compliance with state and then the city of Fullerton purchasing guidelines and policies. All funds that we receive and we expend are reported to the DOJ at the conclusion of the fiscal year, and they do that to ensure that we are using them, number one, appropriately, and then two, that they're not being used to supplant our our existing budget. And so part of part of the guide says that there's a there's a specific guide on what we can use these these funds for, what we cannot use these funds for. And, essentially, it says that that the the shared funds must be used to increase or supplement the resources of the receiving state, local, or tribal law enforcement agency. The funds shall not be used to replace or sub supplement the agency's appropriate So for instance, if we, this is if we receive a part of our budget is for a $100,000 to purchase firearms, right, that's a let's say it's a budgeted through the city.
And the city says, well, we're not gonna fund that anymore. You need to use asset forfeiture. That would not be an appropriate use, and, it wouldn't be allowed by the way that it's written as as it currently stands. Also, it has to be used for law enforcement purposes only. So we couldn't be using asset forfeiture funds to, purchase something for, the the fire department unless that was some sort of shared, equipment. And on the we can go to the next slide, and we'll talk about what we can use for support.
I think it's also important to note that for the asset forfeiture money because it's kind of it's it's collected and then distributed. So from the federal government, I believe for the fiscal year 2425 budget, we budgeted an estimated $05,000,000 to be collected for asset forfeitures, but the amounts do fluctuate depending on what is seized in any particular prior fiscal year.
Yeah. And to touch and to touch on that, Ellis, also, it it does take, in some cases, years for us to receive that money. So if we seize a $100,000 today from a suspected drug dealer, it could take up to two, three, four, five years for that to go through the federal system for us to receive that funding.
Yeah. So my understanding, and I'll let, the chief and Lauren weigh in, is, we typically budget an estimated amount, but they don't, the police department doesn't plan to, to allocate money until we actually have something accumulated in order to fund a particular purchase or project. Okay. With that, I'll move on to the next slide.
Yeah. That's absolutely correct. We would not plan purchases or future purchases because, I mean, when we seize the funds, we we have every intention and belief that we're going to receive it, but there could be an instance where we do not. So we do not, we do not budget or or plan for the funds until we receive them. So some permissible uses.
Sorry, chief. Just to touch on that. It actually states in the equitable sharing guide that it is unallowable to budget for funds that have not been received. So when we put together the estimated, revenue budget, that's just based off of a very, very safe annual average. But what actually gets budgeted is the the real time asset forfeiture fund balance, so the money that we have on hand.
And just one other point to make is, you know, if we do have a case where we have, a seizure and back to that $100,000 example, it also, ends up going through a sharing process to where Fullerton will get a percentage of it. The feds will get a percentage. If there are any other agencies that were also involved in that case, they get a percentage based on the amount of hours and manpower put in on it. So we don't even receive that full amount most of the time either.
That's a good point, Lauren. Thank you. And Lauren Parkas is on the phone. She's our senior financial analyst. So some asset forfeiture permissible uses.
We can use them for administrative costs, train and that again, that's not budgeted administrative costs. Law enforcement training and education, public safety detention facilities, law enforcement equipment, so, we can use it to purchase if we wanna need a specific vehicle or an item for our, our SWAT team that is is not a budgeted item, but we think it would it would help. We can use it for, joint law enforcement, public safety operations, contracts and services, travel per diem, awards memorials, drugging, and other prevention awareness programs, initiatives that further investigations, overtime in some instances, and then salaries if if they're assigned to a federal task force, and it fits that need. Impermissible uses that we cannot use it for. We cannot use it for endowment scholarships grants contrary to any law.
Obviously, for personal political use, we can't purchase food and beverages. It we can't do extravagant or wasteful expenditures nor entertainment. We can't use it for cash. We can't transfer it to other agencies, purchase anything for any other agencies, payment expenses for other agencies, can't use it for lawsuits, loans, reimbursements, construction costs, donations for, community based organizations. We can't use it for flash money. Can't use it for money laundering or operations, and we can't use it for salaries except if they're on a task force. Next slide, please. Before we move on to that, do you have any questions about our asset forfeiture program?
No. So I think this next slide, the chief is going to address some of the questions that came from the committee regarding this the additional, I guess, police presence in the downtown area?
Yeah. So so in in downtown, and this is really related to Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights, we do have a unit that is specifically assigned to the downtown area. That's what we call echo unit, and that consists of two police officers and then a sergeant that supervises them. And I'm sorry. The sergeant that supervises them is also a patrol sergeant. These two officers are specifically assigned to the downtown unit. They respond to calls for service in the downtown area, and and I'm speaking about nighttime downtown. So these officers work from three 03:30 I'm sorry. Yeah. 03:30 in the afternoon to four in the morning.
And these are, specifically for bar related downtown calls. However, do they respond to other calls throughout the city if the need exists? They do. But the vast majority of their time is spent downtown. Their supervisor, however, is assigned to patrol and, has other duties besides downtown.
So, that's why we estimated it about 50% of the time. The two officers, cost us, and this is based on the two officers that we have there currently, $481,000. The sergeant position, costs, a $193,000. But there's kind of a caveat to this in that, we you know, these aren't the only two officers that respond to downtown. If there's a significant calls call for service, any any fight that is beyond their capabilities, any significant incident, multiple officers outside of these two are going to respond to Downtown Fullerton to assist.
And that's a tough number to quantify because there are existing numbers that that work, patrol those particular nights. Our overtime costs that we've tracked, about $86,000, and that comes from nights where we have, or events, in the downtown area that require require more than just those two police officers. And that's specific to that and and plan for that. I will say, you know, I I show that we have two officers assigned to downtown. I was a downtown officer from 2000 roughly '4 to 2007.
At that time, we had four officers assigned to Downtown Fullerton. We also had a 167 police officers, positions. Today, we have a 131 police officer positions. So to put it in perspective, at that time, we had four officers downtown. We had 12 officers on police motorcycles.
Today, have three. We had roughly 22 general general investigation detectives, and that would include in homicide, sexual assaults, property crimes, family crimes, domestic violence, vandalism, burglary, robbery, 22 ops, 22 detectives at that time. Today, we have eight, in our general investigation. We had multiple units that had, more officers. And so it's relative to to the times.
Right? We have two today. We had four previously. And so, our our resources would we would obviously like to have more officers in downtown. We'd like to have more police officers assigned on motorcycles, traffic accidents, traffic, fatalities, and, traffic enforcement obviously are an important aspect of our police department, and for, public safety just in general. So, the numbers that you see here are not what they what they have been in the past. And are there any questions about this?
Just a question on the last point that you raised. Is is the the lessening of the resources, is that commensurate to lessening of the incidents, or is it just feature of the budget or needing to cut costs?
Minus It's it's a it's a
due to budget constraints.
Yeah. It's a it's a function of the budget.
You know what the incidents today are relative to when you were on patrol?
You I I you know, unfortunately, like I said, I'm I'm I'm out of town. But, you know, like, statistically, I I wouldn't be able to throw statistics off the top of my head, but I wouldn't say that our calls for service have decreased if that's what you're asking.
Okay. Curious. Thanks.
Any other questions regarding this slide? Chief, if you wouldn't mind staying on because I think some of this information that you've just covered might segue into some of the discussion regarding the bid.
So Sure. I'd be happy to.
Okay. Thank you. So some Of of the committee members, I think, had some inquiries about the Business Improvement District. This slide was what was previously reviewed at the prior meeting. But I think there were some additional questions regarding the specific specificity about forming the bid, who can and cannot be assessed, can they be assessed at different levels. So we asked our community and development, economic development director, Sunaina Thomas, to come and address any questions that you might have.
Good evening, Committee. Saina Thomas, Director of Community and Economic Development. Nice to meet you all. Happy to answer any questions or we can go through an overview of the Business Improvement District as well.
My question at the last meeting, I believe it last meeting was with regards to a bid. Just thinking out loud here for a minute and then I'll try to get the actual question. There are different types of businesses downtown. There are office uses, there are retail space uses, there are restaurants and there are nightclubs. Some restaurants morph into nightclubs, some are just nightclubs and they don't even have a restaurant portion of it.
With regards to a bid, would it be legal for the city of Fullerton to have a bid that the people that use that are that are using the the use, let's call it the land use, right, nightclub. That use is requiring more police officers or police presence. And where there's police and there maybe there's somebody hurt and brings the fire department versus an office space who generally doesn't have any requests for police services or a retail space or a coffee shop. So when when we talk about a bid, is it legal to, if we created one, to have the people that are generating more of the requirements to have police and fire presence to tax if we were to have a bid because I know there's a tax involved, there's an assessment. Is it legal to have an assessment for one use that's greater than another use?
That's my question.
Good question. So yes you can. However with the bid we have to be mindful or the group that forms it has to be mindful in terms of the benefits that are provided. So for I think the instance you're using is let's say restaurants with entertainment permits, right? They have the ability to be a nightclub or a dance floor, etcetera.
If the concern was, you know, safety and security during those time frames to be able to have either police or code enforcement or other there, that is a benefit that you can provide. And those fees generated have to be above and beyond what we provide now under the city services. In addition to that, there has to be a direct benefit to those businesses as well. So in those instances, I could think of security and public safety would be one, lighting enhancements could be another, and then the other could be late night cleaning crews, right? Under that is probably the best, but of course we need to explore if there's anything else we can tack on to that so that that assessment of those fees for those individuals or groups, then you can think about how does that play into those specific uses.
Is it a square footage basis? Is it based on their revenue generated? What does that look like? Anything that's a discussion you would have at that time.
Okay. Yeah. Very good. Thank you. So the answer is you can assess one use a greater amount of money say per month or per year based on the use. Is that
It's based on the level of service or the service you're requesting, right? So you can assess specific categories of those land uses, so nightclubs or restaurants for instance. And you basically make, you know, why do you need them? Why do you need the excess level of service? Well, you need it for public safety, cleanliness, etcetera.
Then you do a cost estimate of all of that and then you say, okay, this is our this is what we're our goal is and then you start to divvy that up for all of the businesses that are there. In terms of who pays more, other those all need to be assessed. Do you do it based on square footage or do you do it based on the revenue because you would assume, you know what, they get the most benefit out of this so they should pay an X amount. So directly to your question, yes you can do it, you just need to provide that direct and indirect benefit Nexus study to kind of just not a study, just an analysis to say these are the services that would be provided, this is why you should provide the assessment. And as an incentive for those businesses to opt in into that assessment because you do need a 50% buy in is to say, you know, we will there'll be cleanliness, there'll be folks who are there, there'll be picking up, there'll be extra police officers to help you, you know, things like that.
So you just need to provide an incentive on both ends.
So the bid could actually pay for the Echo unit basically?
Well, if it's a level of service that's already provided now, you cannot pay for that existing. It would have to be above and beyond.
Or we
would really need to make that justification that it's an above and beyond service. So the law is very specific about that, that it does not dissolve or reduce. It cannot offset your existing city service levels. It has to go above and beyond.
Currently, who pays for the power washing of the sidewalks and the parking lot? Who
It's a part of a public Is
it the general fund? The general fund? I see. Thank you.
Lauren has something to say real quick.
So, Nina, Lauren Parkhouse, just a question on the enhancement of the existing services. Could it then be used for that funding to add, like, two more additional officers to the ECHO unit since those are not currently existing positions?
You could. I think you would have to show the level of service, you know, what are the complaints, how many officers do you have to cover that. Do you you know, if you can show it on a data basis of saying that, you know, you need two more or three more, then yes, I would I could probably make it a justification that that is a service necessary to make downtown attractive, you know, for various different reasons during those hours of the evenings or the weekends.
Okay. Thank you.
Any additional questions for Chief Freydis or Director Thomas? Any additional questions for Chief Freydis or Director Thomas? No, okay. Thank you, Chief Reyes. Thank you, Lauren. And thank you, Director Thomas.
Thank you very much.
So now we're on to our favorite topic, future discussion topics. We did oh, is there anything else you would like to discuss or bring to the committee's attention this evening? The next meeting date, what we were proposing was January 20. It was just brought to my attention that's Martin Luther King Day. So we'd like to see if the committee members would be available and open to meeting on that day at five The answer seems to be no for committee member Guang.
I guess my question is I thought we were gonna meet regularly on the same Thursday every month, but why are we?
The chambers I think is not open.
What is it? Second Thursday I think? Is that what we are? I think that's what we are right now.
Two two concerns. One is we're trying to fit your meetings in when the calendar is open in the council chambers. That's one concern. Yeah. We could move you out of the council chambers, so that would be possible.
The second is probably is that we need we go to the council in April, and so we were trying to make sure that you had some level recommendations to the council before they started looking at the budget. It doesn't have to correlate with when the budget's being presented because it can go past when the budget's being presented. But if you want to have some thoughts before the budget's presented, that we were thinking that you may wanna have one or two extra meetings. So that's the reason. Just those two things.
But we can. So we could try to go I don't I can check right now whether we can do what is it? The second meeting at second Thursday in
Yeah.
I think February?
Eric, I think Steven and Cindy confirmed with the clerk's office. Can you go over the dates that this the chambers is currently available?
Yes. So we have February 13 and February 20, which I believe are Thursdays. So we could do February 13, which is, I guess, the second February second, Thursday in February. So you could do that rather than doing the January 20. We were trying to fit one extra meeting in in the month of January February, which would have been the January 20 meeting.
And conversely, the committee would like to convene on both the thirteenth and the twentieth, we can try to schedule those today as well. So it looks like the January 2, is not feasible for I'm sorry, January 20 is not feasible for the committee. Is that correct?
They just bring a more aggressive agenda on February 13 if that's what the committee prefers. I I don't know that I have an answer to that question. Because with the ad hoc type committees, sometimes it evolves in how you're looking at the process. So your input will could vary how many more meetings it would be. It's unlike a commission which has regular meetings.
You're an ad hoc, which is a defined time through June 30. So it would we were just trying to make sure that you were able to get your business done prior to the prior to the time of the budget. Well, we'll be presenting budget probably April, early May to council.
So we should have a recommendation by by that time,
I'm sure.
Yeah. Even if you have a partial recommendation, that'd be helpful. Yeah.
If I could just prefer one minute not talk about the schedule. But my main focus here, I think my main focus here and this is what I've been I think part of the reason why I'm on this committee is to try to come up with a solution or a recommendation to the council member that appointed me to this committee. And I'm looking at trying to understand the cost associated with I think the biggest issue in Fullerton, and I think everybody acknowledges us, is our roads and our infrastructure is deteriorating, and we don't have the resources currently to backfill the amount of work that needs to be done on the roads to make them safe and drivable. Let's not say safe, but just well maintained roads, right? What is the estimate cost of engineering department would come up with if they said today we need x amount of dollars and the roads in Fullerton that need, you know, I know they rate them by grade them by whatever one through five or A through F or whatever.
What is the cost estimate for the roads and the infrastructure? Is it like $280,000,000 Is it 300 No. Million
I'd say it's probably less than that, but you're in the right category. It's in the hundreds of millions. Yes. But I'd say it's probably less than $2.80 at this point. Okay. And it depends on whether you include the utility. So there's a variety of factors. So on an average, what I call corridor street, that's usually about $22,000,000 a mile. Mhmm. But on residential streets, it's probably less than 2,000,000 a mile. And it depends on whether you're doing a full reconstruction or whether you're just doing a overlay or whether you're doing a slurry sale. So it depends on the level of improvement you're doing too. So but we could get more information for them. That could be one of the things we bring back Yes. To you.
Because I think it is a little bit more complex in that it depends on the type of street and the level of improvements Yes. And whether or not it's gonna require like a waterline improvement or a new waterline. Those all are factors in the cost. But what I hear on average is around 2,000,000 for a full full improvement. So how many miles? Per mile.
Yeah. How many miles are we talking like?
Well, depending. I don't know how many miles we have. Main streets
then, like, residential
Yeah. So I'd have to get that. I'd I'd trying to say it off the top my head. I I might make a mistake. So I'd probably prefer to get that from engineering, and then we can bring that back for the next meeting. That's an easy thing that they have. They just aren't here, and they could we could bring it back Right. The next meeting.
Yeah. Several years ago, a street that my brother George lives on, it's called Ash. It's down it's an older street. So there you've got the old town site in the Fullerton, which, you know, Amridge, Wilshire, Chapman Mhmm. Valencia, Truslow, Ash, blah blah blah, and yada yada.
The street had gotten completely new I got all new asphalt, and then they also got new sewer lines and new water lines. When they dug down and got to the sewer lines, I actually noticed that the sewer lines that were there, they're all clay, the original clay pot, they were actually in really good shape. I was like, wow, these old sewer lines held up really good. And I know that they replaced them and I thought, well, jeez, they probably could have gotten away with not replacing the sewer mains but the sewer laterals probably should have gotten replaced. But anyway, I know they didn't replace the laterals. They just did the main and then they rehooked the laterals back up. But that's something that engineering may be able to
Yeah. They could address that. I mean, they were like clay pipes and they opened up the street, would say that's a fairly old standard to have clay pipe Yes. Clay yeah. And for a sewer line. The other thing is those sewer lines wouldn't be coming out of the Streets Fund. Those would have been coming out of the sewer the sewer fund itself too.
Okay.
But if they could answer that, I don't know if they could answer that question on ash unless they were here, which they may have been. It depends on what year that was. If you're saying the last five years, then he may be here, the
person No. Was actually was before it was before Steven came to Fullerton.
Oh, no. I mean, David Grantham. Oh, I'm don't know if
David was I'll talk to you, David.
Yeah. If it was when David was here, he probably did that project.
Eric, Steven was able to pull up some it might be slightly outdated, but it looks like the city has about 70 miles of arterial streets and two twenty eight miles of local streets. And this is probably a little bit outdated, but to bring the arterial streets up to about good condition, it's about $76,000,000 And then for local street cost, which is the residential, would be about $190,000,000 But I think it would be a good idea to have public works come in and provide more updated figures because I know costs have continued to escalate.
Actually, that's pretty close in to, yeah, this
information is, about two years old.
Okay. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. I'm sorry to dovetail into something else. I know we were talking about a date so we can get back to that. Yeah.
You. So January 20, I didn't know if committee member Dean, Chair Smith, and committee member Bischalla, if you are available on January 20 to meet.
Or we could just come back with a broader agenda on February 13 if you wanna.
Broader meeting. Yeah. Yeah.
February 13.
Which would be the second or second Thursday, which is similar to this date.
February 13 works for me. That's yeah. Okay.
Committee Member Dean does February 13 work for you as well?
Yeah, thirteen. Thirteen's good. That's what I already had in my
Oh great. Okay. Then we'll go ahead and move forward with February 13. I think so then at the February 13 meeting we'll kind of bring back what the city is kind of currently doing in terms of budget strategies, additional potential expense as well as revenue enhancement options. And then we'll also look at some current restrictions that are contributing to the pressure on general fund.
I was going to say I was also surprised when I looked I realized that January 20 happens to be inauguration day and Martin Luther King holiday so that people might have you know might be distracted.
Understandable. Are there any other topics that the committee would like us to bring back in addition to this the road improvement information that was requested at the February 13 meeting?
No?
And that being said, in the agenda packet we did provide some information on pension obligation bonds. We wanted to get that in front of the committee early just because the information is quite dense and a little bit heavy. So it is a little bit outdated because we did that analysis, I believe, back in December 2021. But the mechanics of pension obligation bonds pretty much still hold. Obviously, rates are not favorable right now, but it might be something that the committee we would like the committee to maybe consider and maybe that's something we could put on a roadmap for some future year should rates become favorable to yield some savings on pension.
In addition to that, I think the sales tax detail that was requested that time is also in the packet. So if there's questions on that in any subsequent meetings, we can always circle back to that as well. I think with that then, I think Committee Member Smith I mean, Chair Smith, think we can probably close the meeting if there's no other business. Thank you.
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