Active Transportation Committee - Regular Meeting

Chair Calvaglio?

Here.

Vice Chair Mansouri? Here. Commissioner De Leon?

Here.

Commissioner Walker? Here. Commissioner Sherry?

Here. All right. We have everyone here. The first item of business is public comments. This is the time on the agenda where if you have something to address the commission that is not on the agenda, this is the opportunity to address the commission. You're welcome to come up. Sir? Did he fill out a speaker's card? He did? Wonderful. Go ahead, sir.

Thank you. Some information that we're concerned about and also a map of the campus. Basically, this right over here is the Titan Hall, which is the old Western States University. And what they're proposing is to move us from our building, which is where it says RH right over there, across the street to over here. The issue is our members are anywhere between 55 to 90 in age.

We do run an on campus trolley, which is basically a glorified golf cart, to take you around campus. Now the issue is getting people from the main campus to the new buildings. And there are traffic implications with Dorothy Lane. As you know, Dorothy is not only a feeder with a stoplight into the campus, but it also feeds Troy High School, Acacia School down the street, and the two other continuation high schools on State College. We at OLLI are very concerned about our safety getting into what the university is proposing.

So, we are asking if, you folks can consider doing a traffic study to see the implications of doing this and adding to traffic getting into these buildings off of Dorothy Lane. Dorothy is three lanes westbound, one lane eastbound to make a left turn into the driveway that the university is asking us to get into. If traffic does not let our trolley get into the that parking lot, it's going to back up Dorothy Lane, which will back up State College. That's only one issue. The second issue is senior citizens crossing State College.

The timing on the lights would have to be the walk lights would have to be adjusted because people with walkers and wheelchairs are just not going to be able to get across that six lanes of traffic in a timely manner. That's going to back up State College. I've reached my time. That'll back up State College, and that'll back up Dorothy. So it's a very interesting challenging situation and we hope that you'll take the opportunity to do a traffic study and see what can be done to mitigate these issues. Thank you. Are they allowed to ask questions?

Are. Are there any questions, speaker? I'd just

like to ask you, what would you like the commission to do besides the study? What are you hoping to get out of this?

Well, again, you'd have to study to figure out how to adjust the walk signals across State College. I'm also thinking that you might have to paint an area onto Westbound Dorothy I'm sorry, Eastbound Dorothy that says keep clear. You know, which which would necessitate that people would have to stop before the driveway, allowing the trolley or whatever vehicle that the university decides to use to get into that parking lot and get out of that parking lot. Because otherwise, I don't see how during twice a day when Troy drops off students and parents and, you know, parents at the end of the day, how those people are gonna allow people to cross the the right turn lane eastbound to get to the center lane to go across State College. I did that this afternoon, and it was backed up all the way to the the message board sign at Troy.

So it it it is an issue to think about. And we have 1,200 members. We're one of the largest Ollie's in The United States. Oh. So this kind of came out of the blue that we were being moved out of our building, which we've had for thirty seven years there, and he moved over to Western States. So, whatever, you know, the the traffic commission can do to make sure that this is feasible and safe for everyone is what we're asking for.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for hearing me out. I have a question.

Yes, sir.

You said you have 1,100 members?

Yes, sir. We do this year.

Where what types of transportation are people taking to get to you? Are they parking primarily somewhere on campus?

We have a dedicated parking lot of, I think it's 72 spaces that are ours. And then if you look at the map, you see up at the top S 8 and S 10.

Yeah.

Those are parking lots. S 10 is at State College. I'm sorry, Yorba Linda and Associated. S 8 is right next to it, it's really on the corner of, State College and Yorba Linda.

Mhmm.

And currently, we operate transportation when our lot is full in our our Ollie lot. We operate on transit transportation, which is basically a glorified golf cart

Yeah.

That takes people from from point a to point b. Now, being moved out of here, if people they're they're going to give us parking spaces. But when we have overflow classes, some of our classes have a 120 people.

Yeah.

So there's just not gonna be enough parking. They'd have to park either in the State College parking structure, which is across State College. Again, they'd have to

You don't have parking at this new building.

They're going to give us the same number of spaces that we have now. Yeah. They're gonna move people out of their employees and who are currently in that space.

Okay.

Yeah. But again, it's not enough spaces for when we overflow.

I went to Troy, so I know that that Dorothy And State College Intersection is very busy. Okay. That was my question.

Thank you. You're welcome. And thank you for the opportunity to present.

Thank you. Alright moving on. Nothing on our consent calendar, so we'll move on to regular business. The first item is, the consideration of a request to rescind a, overnight parking restriction. So I'll turn it over to staff for a report.

Thank you. Chair, vice chair, and commissioners. Good evening. Staff is presenting to you a consideration to request a to rescind an exemption for the overnight parking restriction on both sides of South Edgar Avenue from Sedine Avenue to the terminus. It becomes a cul de sac at the end of the street.

Upon doing research, we found staff found that this was originally the exemption was put into place in 1980, December 1980, and that it would be exempt from the overnight parking restriction on both sides of the street. Now if you look in the area, this is the only street. None of the other streets around there allow this exemption. So this is the default parking for people that do not have an overnight parking permit, and I guess the residents along Edgar are not happy that cars are just essentially being dropped off and parked, and they're not even from the street. So they could be coming from anywhere in the city parking their car there.

And so we received a staff received a application to have the restriction removed, and we explained to them that even though, yes, right now, the early morning parking permit, the pilot program is in effect. It's only through December 31 year. And then if council does not renew the program, that they would not have the opportunity to not have to worry about people, or they would not be able to qualify for the overnight parking. So if the pilot program goes away, they they will not be able to qualify to put the restriction back on. They would have to apply, and most likely, they would not qualify for it.

So they understood that, and they requested that we move forward. And so that's where we're at tonight. So they're asking for the commission to consider the request to rescind the exemption.

All right. Thank you.

Can we ask questions?

Absolutely. We'll go ahead and start with Commissioner questions. Go ahead. So

first of all, I'd like to ask what exactly is specifically the issue with the overnight biking? And secondly, I'd like to ask, how many people would be affected by rescinding, the parking, you know, privileges?

So what exactly is the problem is that well, right now, anybody without a parking permit can just park there because both sides of the street, they're exempt from being ticketed.

Right.

How many people would be affected, namely these 11 houses on this block?

Mhmm. So has there been any traffic violations, accidents, or any other concerns because of this parking situation?

There have not been. There have been zero, and I went back as far as, I believe, ten years, and I had not seen any traffic accidents at the intersection or anywhere down the block.

So where would these people park if this exemption was rescinded?

The people that are using this would have to find alternatives. We've included them oh, actually, it's not here. It's later. We've included a map that shows where anybody could park that does not have a parking permit currently. Mhmm. So there are quite a few places, but this is the only street in that there's the map.

I see.

So anywhere that's blue, these are the streets that are exempt.

So there are other other places in the city where Yeah. Such an exemption exist?

Yes. So they would have to park somewhere else. They wouldn't be allowed to park here anymore, but none of the other streets that are parallel to this one have it. So this is just the only one in this area.

So my question is if other places within the city exist where such an exist exemption is allowed, why not allow that on this particular street?

So so the residents have to apply for this. They applied for this, and it was permitted to be exempt. They're now asking to remove the parking so people cannot park here without a permit.

So but I don't really see a valid reason besides that they are bothered by it because of course this is a privilege, you know, or or, you know, a facility available to the residents and, you know, possibly non residents of Fullerton. So I am trying to find out what exactly so beside that they are bothered by it. What is the specific reason for us to allow rescinding of this you know, privilege.

So what they've said is that they are not using. They do not need it. So therefore, they don't need to have it exempt on their street anymore. So they're asking to remove it, not so much that they're bothered, but just people come and leave their cars there and they're dropped off. So they drop off their car parked, and then somebody picks them up in another car, they could be going anywhere throughout the city. Since they don't utilize it, they have two car garages and driveways, they they no longer need this.

Okay. Thank you so much. I appreciate I think yeah.

Just to kind of help clarify, I think we've usually received requests to establish these exempt streets. Correct? And in order to do that, we would need to have, at minimum, a majority of the property owners request it. Here, we have the majority or nine of the 14 lots that are on this cul de sac requesting that it be rescinded. Five that that didn't necessarily oppose it, but, you know, they they have no response.

So they're actually requesting that it be removed. We have the majority requesting that it be removed. Now if you kind of zoomed in on that kind of area of that larger map you had, near was it Raymond and Commonwealth? I see, three cul de sacs on the West Side of Raymond, but nothing really on the East Side. So this is the like you mentioned, this is the only exception.

So, I mean, I can see where you might have people living. And and looking at the looking at the, the aerial, not this one, the one without the colors, I mean, these are single family homes with driveways. I see I see vehicles parked on the driveways. So I can see and I don't see granted, it's not at night, but it's not where we've seen other cases where, you know, you had alleys and you had really difficulty parking. So we allowed street parking in front of the house. So I'm in support. But if there's any other comments or questions for staff.

Yeah. Just sort of a couple of quick questions here. How often do we normally see these types of requests to rescind a essentially to to

Very rarely. The we had to do a lot of research, and we looked all the way back to 2002 and 2001. So it's been a while.

So then I guess my next question would be, you know, this this exemption was put in place in 1980. Correct? Yes. And then and I wouldn't necessarily expect you guys to do this, but do we know, how many of the original homeowners are still there when this exempt you you know what I mean? Like, you could imagine. Right? But then again, properties change over anywhere between ten to twenty years, but then bulletin, no one ever seems to leave. So I so I was just kinda wondering if if it's possibly really a whole new set of residents. And they're like, we're not the original people that requested this. And and it's we wanna

We did not look into how many of the original property owner at that time

Okay.

Are still residents.

Okay. That's fine. Thank you.

Anyone else? I I have a question. Attachment, exhibit b, the one with is this the vote from 1980 when they or this is what you conducted recently?

This is the current, we received the request and this is the current one and we confirmed that these were the property owners.

Okay. So no one's opposed, just some didn't respond. Correct.

Thank you.

That's

it. Can you make a comment, sir? Sure. So I'm not in support of this because as Mr. Platnick said that there hasn't been in the last ten years or whatever there hasn't been any issue no traffic accidents or any other issues pertaining to this particular you know parking situation.

I, do understand that the the residents no longer need this, but apparently this space is being used for parking. So I feel that, you know, I would like to have more parking spaces so that people don't park in places where they shouldn't be parking and no parking areas and blocking the driveways and this and that. So I feel that this has been working. It's not broken, you know, for ten years. Nobody has been bothered by it.

It's been in place, since my colleague pointed out since nineteen eighties. So I really don't feel a need to oblige the residents, in this case because I don't see a very strong case for removing this exemption. So I am not in support of this. Thank you.

Any other questions or staff? Is this where we have an opportunity for anyone to speak? Is there anyone here to speak on this item? We got two people. Please come on up. State your name for the record, please.

Hello. Actually, my name is Harish, and I'm living in 210 South Edgar Avenue, and I'm a owner of the house. And this problem started since, like, one and a half year because the people on the Raymond Street, you know, the Main Street house? A couple of houses sold out, I think, in within two year, and they started renting the student and random people. I don't know.

Most of the people are renting over there are not student, but some of them are students. So they don't have any parking area available on that street. Also, some people are renting like a kind of like, you know, what you call a kind of people on the 7th Street. And they people don't have, like, permitted parking on 7th Street. So they all people started parking on Edgar Avenue since, like, last one and a half year.

And the street is narrow, not that wide. So if they park on both side of the street, we only have enough space to drive one car. And we have, like, a teenager kids learning, means like a learning how to a new driver, like a student driver. So we are and also, have, like, couple of car robbery recently happened in, like, 2215 South Edgar owner got, like, twice. So we just requesting to remove means, like, the the for a restrict the not permitting overnight parking.

And most of them are most of the people who lives on Edgar Street signed our petition. And nobody from the street parking on the site means on the street. Street.

Mr. Hirsch, I would just like to ask you, what is the parking situation during the day? I understand at night, parking both sides narrows the, you know, available space to drive. But are there parked cars parked during the day as well?

Yes. So some cars, you you will see they park over there for, like, a long time. They only move the car when it's, like, you know, the street swimming time. They they only move their car on the day. And after it's done, they park again their car over there, like, two or three cars, and they keep their car parked over there. And it's kind it's becoming kind of like, you know, park and ride kind of situation.

Thank you.

So it's slowly increasing. So in the future, maybe, like, you will see all around lots of car all around the street. So I I'm requesting you to, like, cooperate with us slightly.

Thank you. Anybody else have

questions for the No.

And to add on to what he said, it is a 30 foot wide street. So if cars are parked on both sides of the street, it would be too narrow to have two cars driving side by side.

Alright. Thirty thirty feet curb to curb is pretty Okay. Well, thank you, sir.

Thank you.

Sir, do you want to speak?

And if I may, while he's coming up here, just to point out that if somebody parks on the street with this exemption, they could park for up to seventy two hours without moving their car. So having the overnight parking restriction requires individuals to move their car every day.

The enforcement happens between two and five a.

M. Correct? Yes, that's correct. So that's another key aspect of this situation. I think once you're done hearing this one we're gonna be talking more about this issue which I think a lot of you were not involved in back in 2023 and 2024 when we went through the permit program. So I think that's also part of the reason why this group is trying to reclaim their neighborhood back to the old ordinance because we now have a permit program that they didn't have before. Thank

you. Go ahead, sir.

Hello. My name is Vatana Tee, and I live on a 205, South Edgar right there.

Mhmm.

Yes. So is this, we're the out of nine cul de sacs, we're the only cul de sac to have the overnight exemption. So anybody can come come into our street, and they've been coming to our street. It's just kind of frustrating to come home, and there's a different car, and then you then you see somebody pull in front of your house, get out of the car, and stay there for two, three days. And then later, they'll come back later in two, three days, and then they'll just pick up the car and move.

And then some cars will just stay there on the street and then stay there for until street sweeping comes and move it. Street sweeping will be over, and then they'll come back. So they'll be there for three, four I don't know how many days, but they're there for a very long time. And and it was just like the and then one a couple years ago, kind of what kinda made me wanna fight for this is, like, when I was bringing my son to preschool, every morning during that time when I went to sleep, when I wake up, there would be a homeless lady in front of my house. And then, she would stay stay there, and she would peek her head out the the car window and look to see like, what are we doing?

I'm like, okay. I guess it's the life that we're living now. And then she was there for, like, maybe three, four months until she left. So I don't know what happened to her, but, like, it's so this is it's kinda like an anybody can come. They know that that it's on the map, so anybody can come to our street. Out of the eight cul de sacs, we're the only ones that has that overnight exemption. So it's kind of like a parking lot, and it has gotten worse as over the past year and a half, two years. And, started with me with, three years ago when my son was in preschool, but it just gotten a little bit worse. And it's kinda frustrating, like, somebody just park pulls in up into your front of your house and just leaves their car there for a couple of days, and then their friend just brings them over and then just leaves. And then some people just stay there.

Their car is still there even till now, actually, today. So I don't know. I just hopefully, you guys can, just help out our residents just reclaim our street back a little bit just like the rest of the other cul de sacs that have that same kind of privilege as well. So we that'd be that we just wanna be, like, the of a narrow street that just has all these cars coming in that we don't know who the residents are. I don't I don't even know the person that lives in that that's there three, four days. I've never seen that person, but he just leaves his car there. I bet I never seen him ever. He just moves his car whenever, I guess, we're not around or I don't know. I just never seen him, but his car I see his car every day, twenty four hours a day. Alright. Well, thank you for your time, sir. Thank you. Thank you.

Appreciate it. Alright. Any questions?

Just oh, not necessarily a question, but really a comment and just, you know, I actually first got involved specifically, because of parking issues. So I definitely understand what you're saying. My concern actually has to do with, access for emergency vehicles, police and fire. If both, sides of the street are are occupied by by vehicles when it comes to allowing police and fire trucks to come in and out of this cul de sac, it's just making it much more of an extreme issue. And, you know, of course, understand the issues with crime or at least having those more more vehicles. Right? Invite more people to target those vehicles, and then it brings more people into your neighborhood in general, and they start looking around. Oh, nice house. And so it's yeah. I can see how it can be a spiraling effect.

Yeah. Two houses got two cars got broken into on our street not too long or less than probably, like, six five, six months ago, roughly. Right.

And so I know just with people breaking into cars, yeah, one on the streets, but then what's to stop them from going to your driveway and then going to your house. So I definitely understand that.

All right. Thank you, sir. Any other questions? I

just wanted to say that I do it wasn't a question for you. So yeah, but thank you. I mean, you could stand there if you want. Agree with my fellow commissioner, Mansouri, that I think we have an incoherent overnight parking sort of strategy in Fullerton that often disadvantages poor folks and renters and students. And one of the presenters had said that, there it seems like there's a lot of students that maybe park in this cul de sac because they're renting rooms, from these houses on Raymond.

But I don't think that we that sort of the incoherence of of Fullerton policy on parking should be taken out on one cul de sac. And, you know, I I'd note that later in the meeting, we're going to be talking about the overnight parking permit program. So I do understand those concerns too. I also don't want to sort of I don't wanna disadvantage students, renters, and stuff that are renting and don't have a place to park. But I would be willing to support this if someone needs a motion.

So so I appreciate the commissioner. I would like clarification on the seventy two hour parking. So if somebody is parked there at night, then they can continue to park there for, can you please explain that?

Yeah. According to the California vehicle code, you can park on any city street for up to 72 hours if there are no other parking restrictions. And in this case, in the city of Fullerton, we have an overnight restriction or early morning parking restriction. So across the entire city, you can't park for seventy two hours because you have to move your car. Except for these locations, just a handful throughout the city, maybe 20% of the city, where we exempt that ordinance, then the seventy two hours happens, where they can park up to seventy two hours.

So that's the situation here, where all of the other streets in this area, individuals cannot park overnight. So in some respects, this one cul de sac is taking the overflow parking from the entire neighborhood and accepting it on their street. And it seems based on the testimony from the individuals that came here that it's been getting worse over time. And that's why they're seeking this relief.

In light of the new information that I received, I am now rethinking my position on this. And the reason for that is, of course, the seventy two hour rule that you explained that, you know, really makes it difficult for me to not support this resolution. Also, like you mentioned, the street is only 30 feet wide, so it's a narrow street and the gentleman explained that there are eight cul de sacs in Fullerton where they don't have the situation. This is the only one that has this situation and, like my colleague shared that you know for situations where an emergency vehicle has to reach these houses it could be an impediment. So for these reasons I'm reconstructing my position and I will support this resolution.

Alright. Anyone else? Okay. Well with that discussion I'm going to move the recommended action that the commission approve the request to rescind the exemption as recommended by staff.

I second it.

Alright. We have a motion and a second. We'll call. Question? Go ahead.

Chair Cavallo? Yes. Commissioner Mansouri? Yes. Commissioner De Leon?

Yes.

Commissioner Walker? Yes. Commissioner Sherry?

Yes.

Motion passes.

Alright. Thank you, sir. We'll go ahead and move on to the next item. Early morning parking pilot program update.

Yes. So we're going to continue in the same vein talking about the early morning parking. This is a good news story, but realize in talking about the last item that maybe I should go a little further back in history than what was provided to you written wise in the agenda report. The early morning parking ordinance the city has is over 100 years old. And it was initially created in order to protect the streets because at that time the city was starting to use asphalt streets.

Motor vehicles in the past and even today have a tendency to drip oil and other fluids. And those fluids can erode the asphalt and damage it and make it so that it has to be resurfaced again. And so that was the impetus for that original no parking on the street in the early morning hours. And then over many, many years it's become somewhat of a controversial ordinance as the city grew. Because initially there was plenty of parking off-site and most of the homes that were built were single family homes.

And then over the course of time we had more and more multi family homes and they didn't build back then two car garages for every apartment unit because cars weren't as plentiful as they are today. And so what they thought was a sufficient parking for an apartment complex became insufficient and people had to have a place to park. So the city created this exemption program as a way to save the ordinance cause most people liked it, and yet provide some relief for more parking impacted neighborhoods. Know, and this matter has been debated ad nauseam by multiple councils over the years from the 60s, 70s and 80s into the 90s, with no real change or resolution to the issue. So we ended up with basically a ordinance that applies over the entire city and then exempt streets where they're pulled out of the ordinance.

And then there was a hardship program that was implemented so that if you needed an extra parking space you could get a hardship permit. But the hardship permit was very difficult to obtain because it had a whole bunch of conditions such, I can't remember all of them but the police department administers them. But there was, made it so difficult that I think we had easily less than 10 permits citywide on the hardship. And so these exemptions, like you had the opposite to begin with today, these exemptions were coming forward to counsel on a regular basis. And then back in April 2023, excuse me for that, April 2023, council said, well, wait a minute, time out.

This is just, you know, we got neighbors fighting neighbors because some neighbors didn't want the exemption, some neighbors did. We had a situation where half the street, on the north half of the street, they had driveways and everything, and the south half did not. So we had a fiftyfifty fight about should this street be exempt or not exempt. And so counsel said this is getting ridiculous. Staff go back and see if there's a way to bring something forward that is more neighborhood friendly and more streamlined and go from there.

And so that's what we did in 2023. We left that meeting from council not knowing exactly where we would go, but we did a bunch of research. There's a number of other cities that have that same type of ordinance, you know, Brea being one very close that has it, and other ones throughout Orange County that you can't park overnight or can't park in the morning. And so we came up with three options. Two of the three options were previously recommended to council and council took no action on them.

But the one option was to repeal the early morning parking ordinance altogether. With the idea of ADUs coming in, more parking demand, we should open up our streets and just let everybody park wherever they want to park overnight. And then there was another option that was brought forward to council previously as well. We thought that was another option which was developing a citywide parking permit program where we would repeal what we have now, remove all these exemptions and then just start issuing permits to everyone who wants to park on the street. As you can think, that that would create a whole bunch of people who aren't affected now would have to then get permits, right?

And there would be a cost involved and everything like that. And we'd have to change a bunch of signs and change our entire approach to parking, and so that seemed like a step too far. And so the third item, I was the city traffic engineer at the time, I mean I can't take full credit for this but it was a staff effort working with the police department and really kind of hammering out what can we do. And we came up with, well let's take this exemption, hardship exemption permit that we have that nobody can seem to obtain and let's make it more friendly. And so back in 2024, early twenty twenty four we came back to this commission with about 18 changes I think it was to the hardship program to make it more available and then to recommend to streamline it by putting it online so that people can purchase permits without having to go through an onerous review process.

Because that original hardship review required a police officer to come to your home and check it out, which seemed really a misuse of staff time and hardship for no reason. So we came up with a whole series of modifications. This Commission at the time, I don't know, Wayne, were you on the Commission? Yeah, okay. This Commission went ahead and said move it forward to Council.

So when we got to Council was quite a lot of discussion about what to do and it was not a, there wasn't universal support for this program. And so what ended up happening was council essentially gave staff the ability to modify the program as we saw fit to make it as efficient and neighborhood friendly as possible. Yet turned it into a pilot program. Where we had eighteen months to run the program and then come back to council with an update and a recommendation to either continue it to move forward or to abandon it. And that's kind of where we're at.

So we're supposed to go back to council which we plan on doing but we wanted to stop here first to see if you guys had any thoughts or any suggestions that you might want to give us before we go back to counsel. But it's essentially a receive and file, this report is for you, because we still have to go to counsel. Because counsel asked us to come back to them. So in essence, the program was created, it took, I mean I want to give a lot of props to Jeffrey back here. Jeffrey worked with the PD's vendor, a vendor called TurboData that runs other permit programs for the city.

And we put together a brand new application process online and had individuals, they had to select certain questions and answers. And if they answered the questions wrong they wouldn't get a permit. We're also using taking people at their word when they answer a question, you know honesty. But if somebody did actually give us erroneous information or try to fake the system then we could also cancel their permits. From what we can tell we've had a very honest bunch of residents that have gone through the process.

We've issued almost 700 permits to date for this program. So it's been about a little over a year, almost a year and a half. We're due back, the program ends at the end of the year, so we got to go back to council before the end of the year. Staff is supportive of continuing this program for a number of reasons. One is we haven't brought forward an exemption request in this entire time.

We don't have any active exemption requests at all. And so the program is doing what it meant to do. So if you live on a street that is prohibited from parking overnight, you can purchase a permit from us. And that's what the 700 people, or 700 permits have been issued. But you have to park close to your home in doing that.

And you have to meet certain requirements. And your cars have to be registered to that street. There's a whole series of different things. But the interesting thing is we have, I would say maybe one out of 25 to 30 or so staff has to get involved and make a determination of yes or no for the permit. But by most means it's just running free by itself.

People are filling things out, putting in their information, it's being evaluated and the permits have been issued. Interestingly enough, Council also gave us the freedom to set a permit fee. And that was an interesting thing because in all of my years in working in government I've never that freedom or that responsibility. So we set the fee at $50 a permit. We thought that one citation is, I think it's $39 if you get the citation.

So slightly more than one citation would be fine. Council said we can go all the way up to $100 but we thought about the $50 range seems to be the right amount. And we didn't know how many permits we would issue, right? We decided to make the permits good for the entire pilot period, not just one year, so a year and a half period. So that we didn't have to reissue permits or people didn't have to buy permits in the middle of a pilot, right.

And so with that, I think we overestimated the number of permits we would sell. So we bought too many permits, but that's okay. I mean it's better to have them on hand than to not have them, right? And so we ended up selling the 700 permits which netted us about $17,000 We figured that we've spent roughly about $18,000 working with the turbo data folks and issuing the permits and the price of the permits and some staff time. And so that worked out to be almost $50 We almost worked out exactly right.

So we collected almost enough money to make it a full cost recovery program. We haven't received, at least staff hasn't received a single complaint about the price. Staff hasn't received a single complaint about the program. We don't know of any significant issues with enforcement. You know, like people were getting citations when they shouldn't.

And so the program has been running I think really effectively. And it has essentially solved that problem. The big positive that isn't baked into the numbers is it has freed up a lot of staff time. Staff time that now can be put to project work and engineering work rather than administration of a parking permit program. So what we're planning on doing is going back to council and recommending that the program continue, that it become permanent and that the fee stay the same, stay at $50 for now.

I mean we may have to raise it in the future if costs are higher, but we think the permit fee is set reasonably.

Question on that fee, would that be an annual fee?

That's an annual fee, yeah. And if you think about it, 50 to park all year in front of your house is a pretty low number. If you think about it divided by twelve months.

And this would be in addition the exempt streets would remain?

The exempt streets remain. So if you already have an exempt street and you park in front of your house, you can continue to do that. So we're impacting any of the existing program. We're just making the hardship program a true hardship program And so that you can buy a permit for your car if you've got an extra car, but you've to move it still too.

Is that $50 permit per vehicle?

Yeah, per vehicle.

You to site the vehicle, make, model and price.

Yeah, that's correct.

Yeah. But if you wanted two you pay 100 for

Yeah, there are some limits to how many you can have. So if you live in an apartment building then I think you can only get one. And if you live in a single family home you can get up to two. So if you think about it, multifamily housing usually has less frontage. So you don't want to sell 20 permits but can only park five cars. Kind of defeats the purpose. Because you're supposed to park also close to that location. You can't just take your permit, park in another part of the city.

Yeah, just a quick just a question. Had you determined what would be how many cars you would need to permit before it becomes a breakeven program?

Well, we're basically at a breakeven program right now.

And that would be the only thing that I would probably encourage is that, you know, we don't wanna end up subsidizing a program that people it's their, you know, that it's it's their vehicles. I think one of the things that I do wanna share is I'm very sensitive to people parking and and the plight about limited parking, but it's all part of being responsible with the vehicle. I mean, you gotta buy insurance. You gotta pay registration fee. These are all things that in our community are just part of your responsibility.

So I I mean, I'm sensitive to all of those things but I think one of the biggest challenges the city will continue to have is taking on people in their house that have a car. That is the problem. Our streets were not designed for that. And so, yeah, that was the only thing I want

to say. Well, mean, to to add to it, we anticipate that that 700 number will probably rise. Because not everybody we don't believe everybody knows about the program. Right. And then people who move into the city also that would be a new potentially new customers that would buy permits. So we're pretty confident, I mean we're still selling permits today. So if you got online and wanted to buy one, you could buy one. So we're thinking that it's probably going to rise, not significantly but will rise. I mean, maybe it's 10% to 15%, maybe even 20% a year up to some point where it will break even. And we don't know what that point is. But we don't think we're there.

If you were to purchase and receive a $50 parking permit, is it good for twelve months from the date of purchase

or for the calendar year? So the plan, the ones that we sold currently are good for the pilot period because this program could disappear, right? So we didn't want to make them annual or something like that. But starting forward, moving forward, they would be a one year period. And I don't believe we've totally figured it out, but I think it'd probably be easiest for enforcement if they were annual. You know, like the 2026 permit, the 2027 permit.

Calendar year. Yeah, only I ask is if there were students, for example, renting a home, and they're there from August to May, or they want to get that twelve month period rather than have to purchase?

We're going to charge them twice.

That's the

reason why I asked because I mean I was wondering if there's twelve months from date of purchase kind

of. Yeah, that's a good point that we'll have to talk about, about how we want to move forward. But my thought would be there would be an annual every year permit. And then they would have to ask for a new permit online. They wouldn't have to come to us and then those permits are issued directly through the software.

I would just also add that the annual is in line with the rest of the permits that the city issues. So we have resident permits, we have downtown employee permits, they're all on an annual basis. So this would just be in line and it would all be the same basically. Like Dave said, it does make it easier for PD to be responsible for just, hey, it's one year and we don't have different starting points. I think that was something that we acknowledged, and I think that's something that PD liked as well.

Thank you. Yeah.

What I wanted to say was I'm you know, they have the paramedic fee that we gotta pay every year, and I'm conditioned to do that. I kinda know when it is. Mhmm. So I think just following the same pattern just makes it easy in that way that people know that right around the period when they're gonna have to do that. Yeah.

Again, we're talking about a little over $4 a month to park in front of you. Yeah.

It's really expensive.

Yeah.

Kudos to staff and Jeffrey and PD as well. You know, I think that I would probably side on, or I would on the side of just getting rid of our ban on overnight parking. But I understand that sort of the NIMBY fervor runs deep in Fullerton and that would cause a lot of headache for everybody. And so I think that this sort of compromise solution is a great template for other things as well. I think that this is a really good, you know, is a, I'm happy to see that it's going well.

I would say that, know, something that I would recommend is sort of, some sort of exemption for students. We have a lot of students in Fullerton. We have Cal State Fullerton, which is a commuter school. We have Fullerton College, which attracts a lot of students from outside of Fullerton. Perhaps they stay with friends for the night or whatever.

And a lot of them get ticketed. And I understand that there's some level of responsibility and personal responsibility with paying attention to signs and stuff. And I've judged parking appeals and and seen some pretty bad excuses that they bring and stuff. So, I understand there's there's you know, sort of need for personal responsibility. But I just spoke at Fullerton College at a political science class last week, Monday, actually.

And just sort of about civic responsibility and stuff. And one of two of the questions I got were not about like politics, city council, etcetera, commissions. They were about how do I get Fullerton stop ticketing me. And I do hear that a lot from students, and I'm pretty involved in those circles. And so, I understand that this permitting process allows you to get permit and park near your residence, but I would encourage staff to maybe think of in the years to come, if there would be some ability to allow students who have the ability to show or demonstrate that their students at Fullerton College or Cal State Fullerton to receive some sort of ability to get this hardship permit as well.

Otherwise, I think it's great. Thanks.

Thank you, sir. So I really concur with Commissioner Sherry and also in congratulating the staff, Mr. Jeffrey mister Rosamond for putting together such a wonderful program. So as far as the students are concerned, I would also like to see some some way of allowing them, you know, to be able to park close to their residences. I would like to actually ask you, what are some of the requirements to be able to qualify besides living on that street, you know, for for this hardship permit exemption?

So, I mean, there's a list on page five in your packet, or page five of the, count council agenda back from 2024, the original permit, the original hardship was only available to single family residents, and we eliminated that. So I mean, talking about students, lot of times you're in an apartment building and apartment building folks could not get a hardship permit. We expanded the number of permits from one to two per parcel for single family homes and allowed one permit per housing unit for townhomes, condominiums, apartments, and other multi family houses that were not available before this program. We eliminated the requirement to affix the permits to the rear bumper. We eliminated the requirement to park permitted vehicles immediately adjacent to the registered address and allow parking within close proximity of the address.

Because as we know sometimes you can't find a place to park right in front of your house. We allowed any occupant to apply for a permit instead of only the property owner. That was also a requirement that a property owner had to do it and we said no we'll take it from any occupant or resident. We eliminated the interim family hardship provisions and issue permits regardless of the reason. So the hardship permit was a temporary thing. You could not get it year after year after year. You had to reapply all the time.

It's a one year permit or is it four year?

No, this is a one year permit we're proposing but the old one was also a one year permit but you had to go through the process every year. Yeah, we eliminated the four year limit, that's number seven, we eliminated that.

Oh I see.

Yeah. We eliminated the police department on-site inspections as a condition of permit issuance. We allowed only passenger cars and commercial vehicles under 6,000 pounds gross vehicle weight as eligible for permits. That means you can't take your work truck from your business and get a permit for it. It'd have to be your personal car.

We required applicant to self certify that the property complies with city code requirements related to on street on-site parking. So one of the code requirements is that you can park a car in your garage. Well if you, and that was primarily the purpose of the police department inspection. But we decided to kind of throw that whole concept out the window and said you just have to self certify. So you self certify and then if we find out that you're you can't do that then we will revoke your permit.

So that usually happens by somebody in the neighborhood you know ratting on you. But we haven't had that problem. Require all on-site parking spaces to remain free of obstructions. And we require applicants to provide a listing of all registered vehicles parked on the residence, So not just the one that they're getting a permit for. Allow transferring permits between vehicles registered at the same household.

So you can get one permit and you can put it on, you have three cars doesn't mean that one car has to be all the time with this permit. Could because sometimes you know dad comes home first and the kid comes home second so the kid puts the permit in the car. And then maybe dad comes home late the next time so he has to put the permit on his car. Prohibit issuing permits to residents on streets with selected street exemption. Yeah so you can't.

If you live on a street that is already exempted you can't buy a permit, right, because you could park on your own street. We issue permits on a calendar year basis and renewable annually. That the original request but it became a pilot so it was for eighteen months. Yeah, we renamed the hardship permit. So those are kind of the things that we did, that we recommended. We had to make some interesting decisions. Mean, Jeffrey, do you want to talk about any of the decisions you had to make with some odd things that you saw?

Yeah. I mean, I could walk you guys through what like the user, right? Somebody that's applying, they go to our online portal, they create an account with, get a permit. And once they create an account, they typically up you know, they the the the one thing that's required to create an account, and that's for any permit, is proof of, you know, like some type of lease agreement. Basically, something to prove that, hey, yes, I am a Fullerton resident because the goal of this is to keep it to Fullerton residents.

We don't want anybody outside of the city taking advantage of a program. Right? So that's the first step in making the account. Once you go through the permit process, you do upload a documentation for your vehicles, proving that again, the vehicle is registered in Fullerton and to your residence, we don't necessarily want, again, other people taking advantage of the program. So that's part of the process.

And like Dave said, you can upload information for, I believe, up to four vehicles. So if you buy one permit, can upload information up to four vehicles. Those four vehicles then qualify, you know, as long as one of those vehicles has the permit, they won't get ticketed. Right? And like and they've you can buy up to two permits.

Again, those same four vehicles qualify for the same two permits, they can transfer those as they wish. And once that process goes through, they get they get approved. There are some cases where TurboData will reach out to us for our opinion on certain things, whether it's, hey, you know, this maybe this person's a little reluctant to update to upload some of their information for whatever reasons. Then we found workarounds where, hey, you know, we'll give them the option to come to city Hall, we'll review the information, we won't keep it or anything like that, and then we'll give Turbo data, hey, you know what? Either myself, Julia, or any other staff member, we reviewed it here.

We verified that, yes, it matches the address that they claim on their account. And then we go through the process. Right? So we've we've had to, you know, that's the learning process because we we were aware that that might be a situation, but it did arise and we kind of walked through that. Once the permit is issued, it is mailed to them from TurboData.

So that's how we've kinda worked that out where it keeps staff, you know, without having to deal with that issuing, and it keeps people at home. They don't have to come to city hall. It get it's it gets mailed to them. So I think overall, the response that we've gotten has been, like Dave said, overall positive. I think for the most part, people it's a happy medium, like the commissioner said, like commissioner Sherry said, where we think we found a program that keeps those that like the current exemption happy, while making something available to those that are in need of the street parking.

One of the things that we were really racking our brain about when we were putting this program together is to figure out how would people try to abuse it. Speaking of students, if a student were to get ahold of a permit like this and then park all over the city, wouldn't be, especially if they didn't live in the city, right? How could we prevent that type of activity? And so that's where a lot of the rules and the cranking down came. But as Jeffrey mentioned, we ran into, it's primarily enforcement personnel that don't wanna give out their information, which for obvious reasons.

They don't want people to know where they live. And so we were able to work around that and issue those permits still without a database full of enforcement addresses. So I think we've done a good job in being able to administer it. We have nobody that has filed a complaint that we weren't fair. Which happens a lot of times when you have a brand new system, I mean they'll write letters and what have you.

And we haven't had that either. So I think we tried to think of everything. But I'm sure there's something going to come up in the future that we haven't. But when we cross that bridge we'll cross it with empathy and figure out how can we help these people get the permit if they truly deserve it.

Is enforcement done by license plate readers, Like, you know, say overnight.

We actually outsource our parking enforcement through a company called SP Plus, and they go out throughout the city, and they're the ones that locate this. They don't have readers that they have cameras on their their vehicles, but they don't have license.

But they're verifying with some database that, oh, this guy has permits.

Yes. They have access to the database, and they check for the permits before issuing a citation. And in the event that somebody does receive a citation, they appeal it online with a picture of their actual permit, and we check that and dismiss the citation.

Alright. And then going back to what Jeffrey had mentioned, if someone in a single family home, they go ahead and apply for a permit, they receive a permit and they list four four of their vehicles. So obviously, all four vehicles are registered to that address. So they're good to go regardless of who's parking on the street. Correct?

Yeah. That's It's not where you have

to physically, oh, the cord's on the permit, we gotta change it, put the other, all four of them are covered, correct?

Yeah.

It's simple.

Yeah, one of the things we heard early on in this process is I don't wanna put a sticker on my bumper. And I don't want somebody to come steal the sticker off my bumper. And so by not having a bumper sticker, we avoided that entire problem.

So yeah, all four are covered. Going back to students now, if students are renting where they want a permit, can they show some lease agreement?

Yeah, oh absolutely. That's the purpose of this. Now a lot of the places where students live have a tendency to be more parking impacted. And those areas would already be exempt. So then they wouldn't be able to get a permit if they already lived on an exempt street. So in this databases, there's a lot of stuff in this database, right? Like all of our exempt addresses are in there. So that when you put your address in and you ask for that type of permit, you're not going to be able to choose it.

I have a question about enforcement and just kind of what the numbers have kind of shown and how long they've been, I don't know how long we've been subcontracting out our enforcement. But have we seen, you know, essentially a decline in the number of tickets that we've handed out to, you know, people without a permit now? I don't know if you have that information available.

If not,

I understand.

I don't have that exact information. I'm sorry.

And I know I know you mentioned you haven't had any real or we've had a decrease, essentially, in complaints to a certain degree, except for maybe random students that are complaining that they're still getting ticketed. But I was kind of wondering what that looks like overall.

That's a good point. That's some information we should have on hand for the council meeting for sure.

And just like I mentioned earlier before, I think my initial civic engagement started from parking issues in my neighborhood previous city I lived in. And so if you've lived with parking issues and then coming to Fullerton and having a no parking on the street overnight atmosphere, it's actually quite a refresher of breath air. But I also understand that things change and that there are need to be mindful of different changing situations. So I really wanna thank staff for the great work they've done in this sort of pilot project.

Comments? I have

a motion to receive and

I'll second it. All right. We have a motion and a second to receive and file. Call for the question, please. We don't okay. We'll go ahead and receive and file. Thank you. Moving on to, item three, overview of the Transportation and Circulation Commission. Hand it over to staff.

Thank you. So, again, good evening, commissioners. So what this is is mostly just because there are quite a few new commissioners. We wanted to go over just everything that TCC does as well as what staff does. So just kinda go over everything and bring up any questions as we move along.

So where did all this come from? Where where we are today? So back in 1967, this was the establishment of the Parking Place Commission, which is also part of the Transportation and Circulation Commission today. Then in 1973, there was the consolidation of the Traffic and Parking Commission, And then in 1981, there was the establishment in the of the Transportation and Circulation Commission. And if we look at everything and go to that.

Next slide.

Sorry to interrupt, but I realized we never opened it up to public comment for the last item.

Oh. Is there a call?

We do have somebody online, but maybe we should officially open it up to public comment and then receive and file it.

I'll go ahead and do that. To We'll back up to the second item.

Apologies.

And we'll open up for, public comments on that, early morning parking audit program. Go ahead.

If any online users wanna participate, please raise your hand now. Okay. Seeing no hands, we'll go ahead and close public comment.

Alright. Closing public comment, and we'll proceed where we left off. Go ahead.

Alright. Continuing along. So in the municipal code, we have the duties of the Traffic and Circulation Commission, and that's to act in an advisory capacity to the city council in the review and development of systems, facilities, plans, policies, and program, which relate to the public transportation and circulation within the city. So your commission's task to advise council, and any information you'd like us to bring forward, we'll be happy to do that. Also, it's to exercise all the powers and duties by part one, division 18 of the streets and highway code of California by fulfilling the requirements of a board of parking place commissioners.

So you might be asking, part one, division 18 of streets and highway code of California, what is it? So that is so also to act for all vehicle parking districts now existing and all those that may be here and established within city within the city under part one division 18 of streets and highways code of California, including vehicle parking districts numbers one and two. So the TCC has full say over parking districts one and two. And if we go over a couple slides, these are those parking districts one and two. The blue ones are Parking District 1, and the red ones are Parking District 2.

So anything that happens within the downtown area of these parking districts, the TCC has full power over. Everything has to come here. Any changes that wanna happen, they need to come here. Also, to review all requests and complaints regarding traffic safety regulations, control devices, signs and markings, public transit systems, trails, bikeways, airport regulations and operations, and to make recommendations to the city council or the appropriate city department pertaining thereto. To initiate, assist, and assist with, and or submit reports or studies for traffic, traffic safety, vehicle regulator conditions, regulatory oh, I think it's regulatory conditions.

Airport regulations and operations, trails, bikeways, public transit and transportation issues as they affect the city, and to make recommendations for corrections, capital improvements, or significant operational changes to the appropriate city departments and city council. Part f is to provide such additional assistance with respect to transportation and circulation as may be assigned by the city council from time to time. So that's the TCC overview. Now to help out how can what can staff do to help you if anything comes up. So the traffic engineer I don't know if we wanna read through the whole thing, but we can cover it.

It shall be the general duty of the city traffic engineer to determine the installation and proper timing and maintenance of traffic control devices, to conduct engineering analysis of traffic accidents, and to advise remedial measures, to conduct engineering investigations of traffic conditions, to plan operation of traffic on streets and highways of the city, and to cooperate with city officials. Also, working with the TCC and city council for any traffic related matters that come up or that you need staff to look into. So here's a listing of just some of them. We didn't list all of them, just to give you an idea of what the city traffic engineer can do. So we have emergency and experimental regulations, lane markings, all the striping and signage that you see on the ground and throughout the city, where to put signs, commercial vehicles.

We've had a lot of downtown parking issues that staff has helped deal with. We've also brought to the TCC. Stop signs at through highways and intersections, crosswalks established by the traffic engineer. We wanna make sure nothing's prohibiting obstructing streets or sidewalks, parking space markings, parking time limited in specific places, specified places. We also have, as we've been talking about, early morning parking prohibited, authority to establish the loading zones, temporary no parking or no stop or standing signs, bus zones to be established, which we also work with OCTA.

So we'll reach out to them, find out where they would like a a bus stop, and then we can help help get it established. Parking on city property and parking prohibited on narrow streets, which we also talked about. Something to think about if the street is too narrow, we don't wanna have it because the they'll block it, especially for emergency vehicles, which was brought up. Taxi zones to be established, regulation of speed traffic signals, and bicycles. And overall, that's a review of the TCC and the traffic engineering staff.

So we just wanted to kind of cover over everything and know that we all work together, but how can we help you? And now we'll open it up to questions.

Yeah, before we do that I just wanted to add, there are certain things as we move forward in the regulations from the state, the California Vehicle Code, and what we use as the California Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices that have certain obligations or mandatory conditions. So those types of mandatory conditions the city traffic engineer has the ability to implement those directly. It doesn't have to go to counsel or to this commission. And that's important because we need to take those actions to protect the liability and public safety of the citizens. But a lot of times when we have something that is, it could be controversial or we wanna hear public input, then it'll come here.

So even though that's why sometimes you're asked to approve all way stop signs and that's because we know that it could be a controversial issue and we bring that here. I just, is there anything else you wanted to add about that type of, and a lot of cities are organized that way where they've given staff the authority to make these engineering decisions and implement them for expedition, to be expeditiously addressing issues such as you know a new manual can come out and say that the yellow time on a traffic signal must be x. Well then he can move quickly and get that done. And that doesn't come here because it has to be done because it's mandated.

Yes, questions for staff.

I was just going to ask the situation. This gentleman, Bill Sampson, brought up an issue with the traffic safety regarding moving this the facility across the Cal State campus. Does that fall into that same area that you talked about? Because that's a

safety That's kind of a gray area because that's unique because the Cal State system is a state agency and cities can't regulate up so we can't regulate them. We can't tell them that they can't do that to move But them you might have noticed I left the room for a minute of time so I went up to talk to him before he left And made sure that he's gonna communicate to Michael and Michael will talk to the school to find out what the plans are. Because one of the issues and he acknowledged it when I was out there is that you can't drive a golf cart on State College. So I mean that would be illegal. It's in a very infancy stages.

He told me that they had discussions this morning. So I think it's probably a good time for Michael at his next meeting to talk to them and see what their issues are and what they're doing. But we can't, the city can't dictate to them what decisions they make.

So his request, from from the the commission to, you know, ask for a study, is that Does that have merit? Should the commission request a study for for this situation?

I don't think so. I mean we've kind of chatted here and we're thinking that really if there's any study that should be done, it should be done by the University. But, you know, we still have an interest, a public in maintaining the safety And we don't want to see a backup on Dorothy either. So that's why when we deal with agencies that's one of the toughest jobs, toughest part of the job is having to deal with all the other agencies that have some authority over traffic. Including the campus.

So that's why it's a kind of, these things are handled on a face to face basis. And to talk things out. Let the university know what the city's positions are especially related to safety. And then they usually accommodate, I mean there's a good working relationship between the Cal State Fullerton and the city.

Thank you.

Thank you for that. And I just want to sort of highlight that we do have sort of a lot of jurisdiction outside of just traffic and parking. And you're preparing Fullerton for the future. We're larger than Pasadena. We think we're not, but we have a higher population than Pasadena.

And we don't really think like it. And, you know, I think some of our problems are because of that. That gentleman that came in here, you know, I don't really understand what the city necessarily can do to solve his specific problem with them moving across the street. But, I think it's indicative of a holistic kind of problem around that area, which is that you have a commuter school that's sort of bursting at the seams, many people have mentioned. And State College is not exactly friendly to active transportation and other sort of modes of transportation.

Dorothy has undergone some active transportation work. But there's a high school there. There's a state college across the street. Fullerton College at the other end of Dorothy. There's a lot of traffic, a lot of cars, a lot of vehicles.

And it's quite a dangerous environment sort of for potentially non vehicular traffic, I think. So, that is while we can't necessarily address his specific issue, maybe. I think it is indicative of sort of a lot of use on that road in State College, and a lot of different users, whether it be active transportation, public transportation, or cars on State College. And so, think that, one of the things, I think in the past, specifically, a lot of commissioners maybe have just focused on vehicular traffic, while members of this commission, but there is, you know, in sort of the presentation that you gave, there is a, you know, we do have a responsibility to other modes of transportation as well. And you'll definitely have an ally with me in in sort of any projects you wanna, you know, you wanna bring something crazy like, you know, like, let's connect public transportation to our eVTOL terminal that might come to port in the airport, right?

Like, you know, that's what I'm of interested in. So, I really appreciate that, and look forward to working on projects together.

Thank

you.

I think the thing that I'd like to see, and I know that Michael and I worked on this before, but I think having a more proactive approach with a complete streets plan, I'm not sure that we have one here. If it needs to be dusted off, the bicycle master plan, whether we have one there dusted off. I know that you're working on Safe Routes to School plan. And the reason those are important is because all three of them really start to kind of make us aware of where the challenges are. The other thing is, you know, I sit up here and I'm here for, you know, a couple of hours on on in every month or at least tries to be every month.

And I know that the challenges of what we're responsible for are big. I mean, there's a lot. And so having a summary of what the pain points are for you guys in terms of making aware of it so that way we, we're up, at least when I'm up here and I'm looking at whatever the things that we're going be discussing, I have a better idea because what I don't, at least for me, what I like to look at is how do we have a solution based approach? Not just chasing our tail or whatever is emotions right here, but have a more solution based approach. And I appreciate just giving us the overview.

I appreciate all of my colleagues up here helping me through this. And then also the fact that PD is here. I mean, that's really important in all you guys. I'm hoping that at some point when we get to things where we have the resources to be able to do some of those plans or at least revisit them if we have them and and make sure that they're updated. Thank you.

Thank you. Welcome.

Once again also, I just wanna convey the same that I do appreciate your time. I kinda have a question as well on as pertains to bringing matters in front of this committee. Like, what is essentially, what's the impetus for that? Just you know, I've I've mentioned a few folks. Oh, I'm I'm now in the TCC and they're like, oh, how do I how do I bring you know, they've got a traffic issue. How do I how do I get this off? And it's like, well, I don't think the general public always really knows what's the best way. Should they just send an email to to, you know, to public works? Should they come on down here and and come and speak in front of the dice, the podium? Dice.

They're die I'm always I'm always dice? Dicey? I'm always slaughtering that word, but dice. Anyways, what really, what's how should, how should general public really come and bring bring items to our attention? What's the best mode?

Every way. They can email. They can call. They can show up. We have a email address just for traffic engineering. So we make ourselves very available and open. We go to a lot of meet public meetings. So then we make the public aware of that we're here, and we we are more than happy to help resolve any of your concerns. A lot of people write letters too. We get letters.

Hopefully, it's a really easy click on your public works transportation website page that, you know, maybe an open field. What's your what's your concern? I know that we have an app too. Right?

We we have an app. So people send messages from the app, and we get that email to us.

I know I'd ask probably before you guys got on here. I know, when you come across a traffic signal that's out, and I I went on to the app, and I only saw traffic light oh, sorry. Lights. We got a a a street light out. Hey. What happens when you got a red light out? You know? I mean, go in the app, and they fixed this so you can actually rather than call PD or a until somebody notices a light's a signal's out, then they go ahead and fix it. But, well, I don't have any other questions. Anybody else? Okay.

We have people waiting at a light, and they'll call us while they're in the car, and they're saying this signal's taking too long. So we know they know how to get ahold of us.

Alright. So is there anybody online holding this on this item?

You wanna speak, please raise your hand now. If there are no public comments, then we can close public comment.

Alright. We're gonna close the public comment. And I'll go ahead and make the recommendation to receive and file this item. You have a second, and we don't have to take a roll on this one. All right. Moving on. Staff update on nonagendas items and council actions.

Look, a couple of things to follow-up with Commissioner De Leon. We are in the process of awarding the complete streets project for Harbor Boulevard. So that will go from Bassin Cherry to Brea. It's about one mile long, where we'll be removing one of the travel lanes. It'll become a class four bike lane, and we'll be putting a traffic signal by the dam.

We're also working on the S S 4 A. So we had the last gathering of information at the farmers market, and we received a lot of input from the public. So we were just showing the different kind of plans we were doing, and that kind of goes with the safer routes to school approach, and that's citywide. We're also working with the school districts to do a next step program with OCTA where they will do a audit around the schools and put plans together so that we could go after funding to make everything safe. And we're also going to be working with the school district to do a walkability audit since Orange County Health Care Agency brought to our attention that they were no longer going to have funding after September.

So the city and the school district and Saint Jude will work together and involve the children that go to the school to bring to our attention what needs to be fixed. And we involve them. They do a presentation. They help with it. And and, also, we may have them come here and give the presentation to you as well once we have it ready to go. These are a lot of the updates on the projects that we're doing about relevant to what you're seeing right now.

Any, past

calls or lectures? Sorry, one more. They we're doing the ATP, so Nutwood, that's going to connect from Placentia to State College, that's going through Cal State Fullerton. So we're currently working with Cal State Fullerton on how we're going to finalize that bike path, and it's also going to widen under the freeway, the 57 Freeway. We're gonna widen, the sidewalk.

We're So gonna have to put a retaining wall. So that's a big part of the design and a lot of the cost. And then we'll be connecting everything, making it safer way to get around, use alternative transportation, not just drive, connect to the buses. We're also working with OCTA about a bus layover, bus stops, and getting everybody where they need to go. And it's one of the last few gaps where there's no continuous bike path.

Was there any council actions worth mentioning?

I don't

believe so. Okay. Any comments, questions? You referenced the project between Ascensionery and Correa On Harbor, which was actually, I had a question regarding a segment from Berkeley to Chapman. And only because you brought up Harbor. I mean, I use Harbor all the time. But coming southbound, you you allow parking during the day on the West Side, right, in front of

Mhmm.

All of the businesses there, on the West Side only. And over the years, I know when there's two two lanes going southbound, if there are vehicles parked there on the West Side Mhmm. Facing southbound, and you're on the at slow lane, I have a small car, but I'm always thinking my my side mirror might hit somebody else's side mirror because it's kinda tight there. Right? So and then I was wondering, is there that median?

And I know it's a painted median, but that seemed pretty wide. Is there a way whenever we restripe that little segment that kind of give that two southbound lanes a little more room and maybe just provide the width that's needed at the left turn pockets to Union or whatever streets that make on the East Side Of Harbor. Because I know coming northbound, you're up along the curb, right? There's no parking. But I'm just thinking, got the guy parking his SUV and the trailer advertising the car wash right across the street all the time.

And it's just when you got two vehicles going southbound and if you got a bigger vehicle, you're of dancing with the other vehicle going southbound. So I was just wondering if that segment is part of a future, you know, review.

I have not heard anything, but I will make a note of it so that when we do that to take that into consideration.

From Berkeley to Chapman or North Of Chapman because you can't park in front of the

That's not in this current project though.

No. Okay. It's all North Of Brea. Correct?

Correct. Mhmm.

Anything else? Commissioner communication. Alright.

Commissioner Communication? Yes. Is that what we're doing right now? Yeah. I have a few. Well actually I wanted to comment. We had received this sort of notice from somebody about the dead end onto Euclid. Did we wanna discuss that? Or

So we we received this letter, which is why we forward it to you. But we wanted to bring to your attention since the intersection, and I'll probably turn it over to Jeffrey because he's the project manager. We are currently upgrading the signals, the signs, everything else. If you've been out there, you see all the work going on that should address every single one of these concerns that is brought up into the letter. In fact, while we were out in the field, we looked at where those skid marks were going, and we decided to switch the position of one of the poles because we said, well, it looks like somebody may hit the bigger pole, so we'll move it over to replace it with the smaller pole that'd be easier to swap out.

Great. I I figured that that was the case with so much work being done there, but just wanted to check. I have quite a few, sort of comments. Sorry. I'll try to go through them quickly. I wanted to report that California Clean Air Day was last Wednesday, October 1. And both OC Bus and Metrolink offered free fares. And I would encourage staff to consider promoting this event next year. Fullerton Transportation Center connects both rail and bus service. I don't know if you did this year or the city did, but I think that would be an excellent opportunity for sort of staff to look at maybe partnering with the colleges and whatnot to boost local awareness of California Clean Air Day.

And then some some comments, and I think I've mentioned some of the stuff throughout the meeting, but the signal project at Euclid and Valley View, you know, I I've had some conversations with, sort of folks on both sides of this. I would really encourage staff to sort of look at the permit project and maybe try to take a creative approach to the signal project of Valley View and Euclid before returning the item to commission maybe next month. Know, installing an additional stop sign on Valley View. I talked to Mayor Jung about speed bumps. That's not a very nice thing apparently.

So, that's not really a good thing that the city likes. But, lowering the speed limit, I don't know, something to kind of corral support for that project might be worth your while. Also, let's see. I would like to ask the Chair, I don't know if staff can advise on this, to consider establishing a joint ad hoc committee with Planning Commission and potentially Active Transportation Commission to explore opportunities tied to the World Cup next year and the twenty twenty Olympics. I brought this up at council as well based on a comment by Councilwoman Valencia, who had brought this up.

The World Cup is next year And I have talked to I've done some canvassing in downtown of residents, businesses, etcetera, who are excited about the idea of potentially, doing something like we do on on on New Year's Eve, closing a street, hosting a community watch party or something like that. I would really love the idea of exploring if we could do that on a Saturday or something next year hosting a watch party, trying to bring foot traffic and economic activity to downtown, highlighting local businesses, building engagement. So I would love to figure out if we can try to do something on that. And you know, I don't know. I don't know how that works, but I don't know who can call an ad hoc committee, but maybe you can advise on that and you can email me afterwards.

And then also, at the first meeting of the year, I raised concerns that Fullerton's transportation infrastructure does not effectively connect different parts of the city. I've talked about this sort of a theme of mine. I suggested that a citywide wayfinding system could help bridge these gaps. I'd ask staff to explore grant funding for way finding on the trail network specifically because it's sort of outdated and folks were talking about electric bikes and there's maybe not so many rules on electric bikes right now and potentially having sort of some sort of rule system signs for that. And then kind of building off way finding.

I kind of like to update that request to propose expanding the concept into a comprehensive citywide way finding plan that integrates all transportation modes, drivers, cyclists, pedestrians. Way finding based on mode is really useful. So, like five minute bike ride, fifteen minute walk to the museum, instead of it being a distance for walking or for bikes. It's really useful in a time based sense. And I don't know if there is sort of any prospect of funding for that, but that would be great.

And then, the last thing is, and I had emailed some of you. I'm sure you're sick of it, but identifying a grant funding, identify grant funding for electric vehicle infrastructure. There's not a ton, but there is money right now. You know, I encourage staff proactively explore grant opportunities for electric vehicle infrastructure. I was kind of dismayed that I found one that we have not applied to.

I was up in Modesto actually and at a Smart and Final, there was 20 EV chargers in Modesto. I was like, oh my god, and fast chargers. It said Cali VIP on the side. They have an open fast charge California project right now, which closes the twenty ninth. I sent a bunch of emails to staff and and to council as well. This project offers up to $100,000 per DC fast charger. Those are two fifty kilowatt hours or higher. You can have up to 20 chargers. It appears the city may be looking at several promising potential sites, including the Muckenthaler. Know the Mayor had mentioned that.

And if the city can maybe or a staff can maybe look into whether or not that application is going anywhere. You don't need to have disadvantaged community score on this one. It's quite an easy application for shovel ready projects, insights that can benefit from that, potentially at Fullerton Transportation Center as well. So those are my comments and updates, and thank you for listening to them all.

Mr. Bansoury, anything?

I just wanted to add something about the World Cup. If if you do, form a committee, I would encourage you to, include Parks and Rec as they would be the people. And then also, I I think the watch party is a great idea. However, FIFA has tight controls on those things, and there is a group that I'm aware of that can help facilitate that if that's what you choose to do. I've had the luxury of attending watch parties all over the world, and they're wonderful. They're a good way to get other people. So, anyway, I just

wanted to thank you for that.

Well, we'll make sure that you're on the ad hoc committee then, mister De Leon.

I just really want to thank staff as well. And also encourage them as far as the matter as it pertains to the potential intersection there at Valley View and Euclid to take an outside of the box approach, look at maybe potentially doing a pilot project of some sort. Also wanna second the you know, or support of the idea of of a World Cup watch party or something of that nature to help bring people together. I think that's that's just a great way to put people on the map. And and if it's successful for the World Cup, it's something we do also do for the for the Olympics as well. That's coming up. I know Anaheim is gonna be hosting volleyball as one of their sports. So I think it's a great way to bring people in to the city and bring some attention. Yeah. That's really about it. But thank you.

Alright. Well, thank you staff. Thanks to the commissioners. I don't have anything. I'll go ahead and adjourn. Next one.