Active Transportation Committee - Regular Meeting

Before we move on to the public comments, I'd like to go ahead and do the Pledge of Allegiance. Who would like to lead that today? Greg, you got it.

Ladies and gentlemen, please rise and face the flag with your right hand over your heart. Ready, begin. under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you.

All right. Move on to public comments on items not on the agenda. Once again, items not on the agenda. Not seeing anybody here in chambers. Ma'am, do we have anybody online?

No one online.

Okay. Well, in that case, we'll go ahead and move on. The Would anyone like to move the May 18th?

Move it.

Seconded. Okay. So moved. We've got a first and a second. Ma'am, would you go ahead and do a roll call vote for us?

Vice Chair Barwasha?

Yes.

Member Tuna? Absent. Member Klingsberg?

Yes.

Member Molina?

Yes.

Member Seaborn?

Aye.

Member Sarvis?

Yes.

Motion passes.

All right. With that, we'll move on to regular business. Looks like we've got a little bit on here today, and we're going to start with SB 707, new Brown Act rules and remote participation. Madam City Clerk.

Thank you for saying that correctly.

Thank you. Well, I really appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you.

thank you

On.

Okay.

a little simpler now and all in one place in the code, so it's easier for a lot of us to find it. 707 also expands the public access to meetings. It modernizes the teleconferencing rules, which we talked about. A big part of 707, which I'm not going to get too into because there's another bill that might take this part out of 707. what is it July so I guess in the next month or so when the legislature moves on all the bills that might take out the language provisions to accommodate folks who are non-language speakers and the word is that they will come back in a bigger more comprehensive bill next year so Stay tuned for that, but we'll see we may not may not affect you. So directly might affect the city overall The bill talks about eligible Legislative bodies basically City Council EL beats as they call them There's a whole clerk government calculus in there about who qualifies and your cities Big enough than you qualify if you're a small city, but your County's big enough you qualify I don't even want to try to figure out the rules for special agencies but Fullerton qualifies as One of the cities that's subject to SB 707 rules. And in addition to the legislative bodies, there are also eligible subsidiary bodies. And those are you, basically. All the committees, commissions that are formed by city council. So some of the rules apply to those. All the rules apply to council. effective january first i gave i'm sure you all remember when i emailed you a copy of the brown act just nod and say yes thank you that's when those updated participation rules were consolidated into better spots in the code and you may have heard me talk about those social media rules where if more than a majority of you give a thumbs up or Like on a social media post and it's about business that's gonna become come before your committee that could be construed as a illegal meeting because you've Essentially deliberated and made your opinion No known on something that's coming before your committee outside of a notice meeting So good luck going through all the posts and all the likes to figure out if there's seven of you if three of you have already commented if you're gonna be the fourth or not, so Just stay away from social media. It might be good for everybody's mental health anyway. Except for cat videos. Those are appropriate. You can do that. And then phase two, which is effective as of July 1st. This is the biggest part of this, which we're... gratefully not stressing out about is a two-way remote participation is now required for every city county agency that qualifies as one under that calculus formula to figure out if this applies to you we've been doing that since covid so that's a nice piece of cake because this bill gave most agencies that weren't doing that less than a year to figure out how to get all the equipment and get all this working in their chambers so that part check we're good It did however require that the city adopt technology disruption policies and that is in the back of this red markup thing I gave you and In a nutshell, if something happens, if this computer over here, which is the one that puts stuff on the screen for the PowerPoint, goes out, it's fine. If one of these computers over here goes out and people can't call in on Zoom and it's on our end, then we have to stop the meeting. If someone on Zoom, one of the users outside is having a problem, that's a them problem. That's not an us problem. we'll try to help them as much as we can though but if their mics not working or they can't figure out how to raise their hand that's not something we have to worry about but if it's on our end and if for example one time I don't know if you noticed I was a little little flustered as a city council meeting was going to start because for some reason our our Multi-factor login was not letting me into zoom and I needed to start a council meeting So it's something like that happened and someone didn't save the day at the last minute the meeting would have to recess for at least an hour well up to an hour while staff and IT and there's a whole call out list now of was working on resolving the issue. If you fix it within that hour, just get back to your meeting, call back to order and proceed. If after an hour you can't resolve the problem, then you can reconvene your meeting. You'll have to vote to make a finding that the need to continue business outweighs a need for the public to participate remotely. And then you can go on about your business. I don't think it's going to happen very often, but it's what the law says. And then your secretary will have to keep track of all the actions that were taken to try to remedy the situation and put it in your minutes. So that's what California says you need to do now. That's probably the other big part for you is just that disruption policy. There's a whole bunch of stuff in there again about language access and outreach. We are required to have a, only for city council though, a board out in the front here. I don't know if you noticed our brand new clipboard out there where the public can post a language agenda translated into whatever language they want out there. We don't have to verify it. We are not liable for what it says, but that's what the law says. So that's what we're gonna do other than that There are still caps for when you can call in if you're sick and participate remotely But I think they got higher for the most part. So it's a little more easy to track that and I So web page mandates that staff will take care of. And there's also a rule in there that anybody this is hard. I can't think of a cleaner way to say this. Anyone who claims who's reporting that they speak a language natively other than English and 20 percent of that group says they speak it less than well then we have to translate agendas into that language. So surprisingly, we don't have any of those. We're not even as close as I thought we would be. But like Anaheim has Spanish, Santa Ana has Spanish. I think Garden Grove has Vietnamese. But we're not at that threshold yet. So we don't have to worry about being mandated to translate. But the big part for you is that technology disruption. So I almost had good news. I'll just tease you that you can't do. The bill also allows commit solely advisory bodies to meet remotely without all the extra noticing if you so choose. But you can't deal with budgets. You guys are kind of a wobbler already because you kind of really advise strongly on the CIP budget. And if you looked at the ballot measure item going to council tomorrow night this body would be the advisory on where to put the money for the transportation. One cent one cent one cent half cent tax if that so happens. So I'm kind of leaning towards you guys deal with money a little too much. So right now you probably would be better to keep it to in person so. you don't have quorum issues so so that's in a nutshell so sorry I do that's the third time I've knocked that over sorry I don't have fun news for you oh and then rules of procedure I did have one more thing you also have the updated rules of procedure there I left it in red markup so you can see the differences it includes some language to match the new SB 707 bill it's a room Was it this committee that couldn't figure out who was supposed to be in charge because of chair and vice chair were not here? It was one of our committees. But anyway, the language is in here. It just says if your chair and vice chair aren't there, the committee can take a vote of whoever's still here to select someone to be the presiding officer for that evening. Don't forget that people disruptions are different from technology disruptions, but there's a process for that, too. You have to warn someone before you kick them out. So we don't have a lot of public here, but... Some of you over here behave. We don't have to follow the procedure. Oh, and the other thing in here is you have another training coming in addition to your ethics and harassment prevention. The state now has SB 827, which requires financial training also. So we're working on getting that geared up for you to do online. So we won't make you – sorry, no pizza, but we won't bribe you with pizza to show up in person, but – maybe we'll do a pizza party at the end for everybody who completes timely or something but then we don't have to worry about noticing and all that stuff but we will get that out to you so now I'll let you get on to the good stuff unless you have any questions thank you for the presentation Lucinda I'm looking at the public meeting remote access technology disruption policy there's a few places where it refers to meetings of the Fullerton City Council as opposed to legislative body meetings is the intent to have it apply to City Council yes and I probably gave you the red line where we didn't correct that yet so yes but it should be committees too okay thank you for catching that you are in ESP yeah but I'll make sure your policy is also it's clear it's the committee's not city council so thank you for catching that.

Anybody else? No.

Get on to the fun stuff. Thank you.

Thank you so much Ms. Williams. So since that's receive and file unless I'm correct I'm going to motion to receive and file unless anybody has an objection. Is that what I say technically is so ordered by the chair? So ordered by the vice chair. Sitting in the chair.

Thank you guys.

All right. It looks like we're going to move on to item number three.

All right. Are we good? I don't know if the mics are on, but they're on now. Talking about vice chair and chair. All right. So for this next item that we have, we're going to go and select or elect our chair and vice chair. Chuck Sargent is no longer eligible to be on the committee, be part of this committee. So we'll go through the process again. We went through this at the beginning of the calendar year. So this selection would be for the remaining of this calendar year, 2026. And then January 2027, we'll select the vice chair and vice and chair again. So, um, just some, some rules, um, for you guys. Um, we'll start with, you know, we'll start with taking nominations. You don't need to second. Um, if you want to nominate somebody, um, if there are multiple nominations, we'll close nominations with the motion. Then each member will state their choice. Um, a majority is needed and we'll keep voting until someone gets it. If there's a consensus. We could also elect both positions together in one motion. So if no one is nominated, then we can continue the item to the next meeting. And the vice chair will continue leading the meetings until then. We are missing one member. So does that mean...

I think you can nominate, but you have to wait for them to attend for them to accept. That's what we'll go with.

Sounds like a fair, prudent position.

So we can continue with this item, or if you guys want to nominate and then when Kerry Tuna is here, we can go from there.

I think we can continue today.

All right.

I would recommend trying to resolve this today and continue it only as a last resort.

I'd like to nominate Vice Chair Bhardwaja to serve as chair.

Thank you.

OK. Vice Chair?

And I would like to nominate Gregory Zerbas to vice chair this committee.

OK. I'd like to nominate him as well just so.

All right. Do either of you wish to accept. Does anyone else wish to nominate themselves. Anybody else.

Move to close nominations.

I second. I will accept the nominations as they stand. So we'll accept.

Point of clarification. I thought you were nominated for chairman. I thought you were nominated for chair. Yes sir. Oh OK. All right. So I'm nominating Greg for vice chair.

We'll see nominations are closed as there's no other input in any callers or anything Carrie never Okay, so that we're going to move forward can we go ahead and as David said I think just need a motion.

Hopefully we can do these together.

I move to I move to have a vice chair bar to watch a service chair and member service serve as vice chair for the remainder of the term I

I'll second that motion. Okay. We've got a person second. You get a roll call vote ma'am.

Yes. Chair Bodwaja.

Yes.

Vice chair Sarvis.

Yes.

Member Tuna absent. Member Klingsberg. Aye. Member Molina. Yes. Member Seaborn.

Aye.

All right. With that we will go ahead and make it official.

Congrats.

All right. Do we get our pins and hats?

Be nice to us now. Now you're in power, be nice to us.

What did they say? People are nice until they have power.

They're like Thor wielding the gavel.

How many things to say that?

Oh, that's funny. All right, so we'll move on to item number four, fiscal year 2026-27, committee work plan. Who's going to present that?

Me All right, so back in May we met regarding this fiscal year's upcoming work plan We bounced around some ideas. We got your feedback. So this is a this is a refined version of what we presented back in May incorporating your feedback So with that Just kind of go through this. Um, so this covers the proposed topics, um, from July to October, um, for August, we, we plan on talking about NPDES and ADA projects, uh, September, um, We're looking at revenue and funding as a part one, and then following month as a part two. I think it's going to be a pretty lengthy discussion, I would say. I know we got a feedback about having a little bit more detailed discussion on our water system in general, a deeper dive. So this gets us through July through October. Then moving on to November and December. November is... Talking about community outreach, how we approach that. December is due to the holidays. We usually cancel that meeting. If we need to be, we can meet, but usually it's canceled. And then we start getting back into the beginning of the calendar year where these are in January and February, these are fixed items where we start prepping for selecting vice chair, prepping for the CIP budget, how we prioritize projects and streets. So we start gearing up towards that. SB1 funding as well since we have to submit applications in by a certain time. All right. Then March, April, again, CIP budget review. It gives us the opportunity to get your feedback on the proposed projects and the budget, leaving back with May and June where we have a little bit more flexibility and miscellaneous updates. These in general, these aren't a lot of these items aren't set in stone. They're flexible. It doesn't also account for any upcoming projects where there's updates, especially the bigger CIP projects, you know, like the Nutwoods or the Harbor Boulevard Complete Streets grant funded projects. So as items arise throughout the year, we'll try to fit them in within the agenda. But with that, This wraps up what we're proposing for this fiscal year. So I'll open it up to the committee for any questions, comments, or concerns.

Anybody have any questions, comments, concerns? All right. I think we're good.

All right. Awesome.

With this question, would we finish the entire presentation before we ask for public comments? or do we take it after. I'm trying to figure that out because this is quite a bit. So would we wait till the entire presentation is over for public comments.

DIRECTOR DEWOLF. Yes. DIRECTOR DEWOLF. No problem. So any public comments or.

DIRECTOR DEWOLF. We weren't sure if you were done. Sorry. DIRECTOR DEWOLF. Yeah we're done. Yeah. Sorry. DIRECTOR DEWOLF. We'll give you a hammer too. DIRECTOR DEWOLF. Yeah. DIRECTOR DEWOLF. Or give you like a sword. DIRECTOR DEWOLF. Yeah. DIRECTOR DEWOLF. Okay. Any public comments ma'am online.

No, we have someone attending, but has not raised her hand.

I'm glad somebody's attending and listening in. Okay.

I know you didn't ask us for feedback on the schedule, but I know that January and February we usually move because of holidays. March tends to align with the Fullerton School District spring break. And so if we can avoid that week, some of us will be able to come to that meeting. Thank you. Okay.

Noted. Maybe change the date.

Just a comment on the date, nothing more on the topics. I had asked for a deeper dive into the revenues and finances, so I appreciate having that spread over a couple of meetings, giving us some time to digest it and come back with a few questions. I think a two-part agenda is very good for that.

All right.

So with that, we don't have to take a vote on that, so receive and file again. Actually this one is provide direction. So it's done. I think we're good.

Okay. All right.

Like the direction we're going. Yeah.

Moving right on. Moving on to the next item then. All right.

We're going to move on with item five water quality report 2026. Welcome ma'am.

Good evening chair vice chair and committee members. I know I've met some of you in the past but to reintroduce myself My name is Delaney Felix. I'm the water quality supervisor for the city of Fullerton I'm here to provide a quick overview of our consumer confidence report So before we start I just want to put it out there that I will be referring to our consumer confidence report as the commonly known out acronym of CCR. And for your pleasure, we have our cover of our current CCR that was just released July 1st, featuring one of our longest tenured employees, Pete Acosta. He's actually, I think, celebrating his 49 and a half year anniversary this July. Yes So just as a little tidbit there But quickly we'll go through why the CCR matters our source water for Fullerton some water quality highlights PFAS and then we'll open it up for questions So a quick review of why the CCR matters in 1974 the EPA adopted this Safe Drinking Water Act, which set requirements for water that was going to be served to customers for drinking. In 1993, an amendment was pushed through that required all community water systems to provide a water quality report for their customers, so that way they are a little more aware of what they're actually receiving from their water system. It's a part of the right to know clause. So our CCR is there for transparency with our customers. We want to make sure we're letting them know what is in their water, where they're receiving their water from. And we also want to make sure we're doing good faith efforts to reach everyone, not just the bill payers, but also people who are drinking the water when they're coming into our community. So a quick overview of our source water for Fullerton. We receive groundwater from Orange County Water District that maintains the groundwater basin below Fullerton. We also receive imported water from Metropolitan Water District. We love to lean more towards the groundwater because it's more reliable and it's more economical for our water system to maintain. However, we do have parts of the city that it's not feasible at this time to receive groundwater. So we do import water to serve water to that part of the community. And that water is slightly more expensive. So we try the best we can to always pump groundwater, which is locally sourced. So in our CCR, there is the section that has the water quality highlights for both Fullerton and also for Metropolitan Water District that we import the water from. Currently, the city is meeting all state and federal regulations that are currently set for community water systems. So there's also some informational sections in there for sensitive populations that may have issues with disinfection byproducts or nitrates. It has information in there about what's in our water and additional resources of where to go to find additional information in addition to calling the city department and speaking to me or my teams respectively. And there's a few more acronyms there in case you do have a chance to look at our CCR, the MCL, which is the maximum contaminant level, our public health goals, and our notification levels. So the big topic everyone knows about nowadays is PFAS, or otherwise known as Forever Chemicals. So the good thing is, in partnership with Orange County Water District, Fullerton has been very aggressive in making sure that we are meeting California standards that are set currently, and that we will be meeting the EPA standards when they go into effect in 2029. So currently, we do have, I believe, two wells that are out of service due to PFAS levels. We do have two active water treatment plants online right now, with a third going to be coming online in the next, I think, three months, four months? September, two months. So we are actively moving towards that goal of making sure that all of our water sources are providing PFAS-free water. Currently, we should not be having any PFAS entering in our system because of the two wells that we have offline already. We're just making sure that even in the future, when that 2029 deadline hits from the EPA, all the water that's served to Fullerton is PFAS-free. That is our main goal. And then I'll kind of open it up to any questions.

I have a question regarding the PFAS and MET. We get water from MET. What, about 30% of our water comes from MET, give or take?

It's a little higher right now because of the wells being offline. But yes, we do receive a good chunk of our water from that.

And to date, no PFAS has been detected in the Met water. Is that correct?

Correct. Most of the surface water has not had any contamination issues from PFAS constituents. It's usually leaching into the groundwater system that they find it. So they are required to test. And thus far, they haven't found no PFAS in.

Do you know how frequent they test?

I believe they most recently tested last year as required by the UCMR 5 sequence. I don't know how often they are required to test on a regulatory basis. I can reach out to them and find out.

I'm just curious if it's something similar to our schedule because it seems like, and I don't know what our schedule is, but it seems like we test very frequently.

Currently, we're on a monthly testing schedule for any wells that don't have treatment now, but those wells are offline, so. Most systems in Southern California are either on a quarterly or monthly system required.

Okay. Thank you. No further questions.

Let's go down here, sir.

You did mention that there are two wells that are out of commission right now because of PPAS levels. What exactly are they doing to correct this, and when do you think these wells will be back in service?

So one of our wells, well 10, is currently offline because it exceeded the response level for California. That went offline in April of 25. We are currently working to add temporary treatment to that well site until we can put in a permanent pipeline to pipe that water over to our brand new Kimberly 2A PFAS treatment plant, which is coming online in September. The other well that is currently offline is well 5 at our main plant. That one is anticipated to be treated with our new south plant main plant south plant treatment section which is currently under construction and slated to be completed in March or April of next year.

Thank you.

Thank you for the presentation. And thank you for the work that you do, ensuring that we have drinkable water. You can go anywhere around this city and fill up your water bottle and not fear about what's in it, as this report shows. My question is about the testing. What happens if you discover something that the test comes back that you need to tell people not to drink the water? What would you do in that circumstance?

Are you speaking about PFAS? Are you speaking more so about any regulatory bacteria?

More in general. Like I just read in the news last month in LA about E. coli coming up.

Yes.

Are we prepared to respond to that type of situation?

Yes, we are prepared. We have an SOP in place that we actually run through relatively Periodically, we make sure that we have those steps outlined. If we receive a positive sample back, we are required within 24 hours to go back out and test both that sample site and then within five stops upstream, five stops downstream, and test again. Most of the time, our samples can be like a false positive, not for E. coli. We haven't had an E. coli positive since I've been here, so I want to keep that track record going. In that case, we retest. If that test shows everything's good, everything's negative, we send that report to the state. The state verifies that we did everything that is required of us for that 24-hour regulation, and we are in the clear. Should we receive a positive E. coli, we do have steps that we can take to issue a boil water notice. We hope to never get there, but in that case, we would coordinate with our state representatives out of Santa Ana, and then we would coordinate with both the Public Works Department and possibly even some other divisions in the city of Fullerton to reach out to residents and let them know the boil water notice and do continuous flushing and testing until those results come back negative.

How about for those that are without water during that time? Are we prepared to bring them with other potable water or bottled water?

Yes, we have contracts in place to bring in bottled water for residents that are affected by a boil water notice. So we have those already in place. An SOP is already, I believe, already created, ready in case that were to happen.

So it would be a third party that we would rely on for water?

No, I believe we ourselves would go out and purchase the bottled water and distribute it.

Very good. Thank you.

All right, Delaney, thank you for that. I've got a couple of questions for you. So from what I understand, you're looking at about, in a normal year, would it be about 30% well water? Or 30% MWD, 70% well water? Yeah, about. So right now we're probably closer to 50-50 with two wells being off?

It depends on the time of year. In the spring, we're about 50-50. Right now in the hot summer months, we are creeping a little more towards a majority MWD water versus groundwater just because of the heat. and then the specific areas where the wells are offline. But once the September hits and we have that new plant online and then in April we have the mailing plant back online, we should be trending back towards, ideally it would be about 15% import water to 85% groundwater.

I love that. So how many total wells do we have, if you know?

We have nine.

That's a good number.

I'll go with that.

Depends. How many are online? How many are offline? Exactly.

We've taken some off of our permit. We brought them some back. So I believe there's nine.

Nine total if we had the two that were including the two that aren't working plus the one that's coming online?

Nine total that could potentially serve water.

Great. Yeah. Including the new one coming online?

Yes. Yes.

Okay. And if not, it'll be a bonus. So we can actually almost provide capacity through well water.

Just about. The issue is the north side of town pumping uphill. At this moment, it's not necessarily feasible to do that. We don't have the infrastructure in place to do it.

Is that pumps and piping?

It'd be pump stations and possibly another reservoir someplace up north in order to help distribute the water on the backside of the hill.

And I'm assuming we've got quite a vast supply of well water otherwise. Yes. That is awesome to hear. So now the PFAS that was in the two wells that was found Do we know how that got there and are the people that were responsible getting a bill?

So part of it is, you know, just we didn't know back in the day. Wastewater treatment plants upstream of the Santa Ana River were just dumping their wastewater treatment. They didn't know about PFAS. They didn't test for it. It went down the Santa Ana River and slowly seeped into our groundwater. Additionally, there is an EPA Superfund site below Fullerton. It is not necessarily for PFAS constituents It's for other volatile organic compounds, which can be similar in the same family as PFAS for those constituents the EPA is leaving the charge to go after the responsible parties to pay for cleanup of the EPA Superfund site we like that and you know just because we are experiencing such a horrible economic climate in the city right now and

Do we have people in the city that are actually working to proactively seek more assistance from the federal government to go after, I hate to use the word perpetrators, but the responsible parties, even if they were former corporations that were here? I'm just using Kimberly-Clark as an example, not that I think they did anything or didn't. I'm just saying former companies that were here.

So for PFAS we've partnered with OCWD and they are actually in the charge to help us apply for federal funding from like DuPont and 3M for that and I believe we got. I don't want to misspeak. Was it 13 million allocated back to us to give back to OCWD because they covered the cost of building our treatment plants for us. They footed the capital costs for that.

In the hopes that they would get the money back. OK. And if we don't get the money back, are we responsible for those? I don't want to get too deep in the weeds.

We cost share with OCWD otherwise.

Okay. And once that's paid off, then, okay, our costs go down. I like it. Are there more plans for other future wells in the city?

We're actively, with the engineering department, we're actively starting looking at a potential well number 16. Excellent. We've reached out to a consultant to help us determine if that's even feasible.

Got it. Last few questions for you. So you talked about the chlorine in the water. Sometimes I've noticed it at my house as well as a couple others. You will smell the chlorine in the water and then sometimes you'll smell sulfur. I don't know if the sulfur is part of the drainage system or if that's something that's possibly in the supply line. Why is that?

Typically the sulfur smell could be from your drain. The chlorine, it should not be in the water. If you do smell chlorine in the water, give us a call. But the easiest thing to do is to collect a sample of water in a cup and walk away from your drain and take a sniff. If you still smell it, give us a call right away. If you don't smell it, it's more than likely from your drain. It is a very common issue. It happens at my house all the time.

I have a few neighbors, too. It's only when they turn the supply side on. So I was like, well, that's got to be coming out of the drain. Because I can't imagine you smell chlorine in the drain.

You shouldn't but like I said, you could always do that test the cup test walk away take a sniff Like I said, if you smelling chlorine give us a call. We will send somebody out immediately.

Okay, then the last question on that You do your testing in your supply system. Do you ever do like a like user, at the end users, you know, taps or anything? Or is that something that's not typically done?

No, it's not typically done. We don't really do any end user testing. The only time we ever do end user testing is for lead and copper rule. We're required every three years to collect a sample from about 50 residents in Fullerton.

Send it off to get sample for lead and copper only just because there's so many different things that could be happening on the backside You know, we don't know what the plumbing that looks like It could absolutely be from you know, the homeowner side I was just curious if you test for that because I know we've got some you know older for lack of a better term piping which can corrode and seep other things in are those things that you do test for and

the corrosion Not in our distribution system now Because I could absolutely get in correct It could most of the time with corrosion you would have to let the water sit there and it leach in The water is usually moving a little too quickly for that to be an issue.

So our pipes are fairly clean. No pun intended Fairly clean Thank you. What's that sir? until they break Yeah, that's a sensitive subject for some people here. Okay, what else, Greg?

Just one quick follow-up. Many, many years ago, my understanding was we had a, for lack of a better term, I will say a political obligation to buy water from MET. Is that still the case? Can we opine on that?

I don't know. Hopefully Todd will know.

We have obligations to buy from them, but the there is a and now I I forgot the terminology There's a penalty for buying possible possible penalty for buying more than 85% groundwater and So but I what I understand is right now because there's adequate groundwater supply that that penalty is probably not applied if we were to exceed it and But when the reason for the penalty is to control the groundwater usage so that we don't overuse the groundwater. But what I understand is if we were able to pump right now greater than 85%, the penalty will not be assessed. But as far as the commitment to use, to buy from MUD, I don't know I can find that out. And get back to you on that.

I was just curious. You know, I spent a lot of time working with OCWD and OC SAN on groundwater replenishment system. And it was an understanding that the member agencies would continue to buy water from MET to ensure that that was a supply that would always remain available. And that the obligation to buy water was simply to maintain the system, not necessarily that you need it.

It makes sense, though.

Yeah, it's your lifeline. You're sitting on one of the best aquifers hydrogeologically in the world. It's under our feet. And so we can pump 100% of our water if we, A, had the wells, B, had the pumps, and C, had storage. But at some point, if we have a long-term drought or we have contaminants or any one of these other scenarios, we need a secondary lifeline, and that's what MET was providing.

Yeah. It makes sense that for MET to continue to operate and maintain, there's a cost in that that we would continue to buy water from them.

Kind of like our baseline meter cost to help offset some of that.

Mm-hmm. So we are obligated by 15% then?

Like I said, I'm not 100% sure, so I don't want to say yes, but I can get back to you on that. I'd appreciate that. Sure.

I think it would be good to know. Thank you. And then September.

Okay.

Anybody else?

Any comments from public?

Oh, yeah, public comments. We've got the one person, right?

No. No raise of hands.

What's that? No raised hands? No. All right. With that, then it's receive and file unless there's an objection. We'll go ahead and do that. Thank you. Thank you. That was a good presentation, by the way. Yeah. Can we get some well water in here? All right. So moving on to six, pavement management plan, 2026 update.

Okay, I'll be taking this one. I think most of you have heard a lot of this presentation before. I'll go over this briefly. The city has about 300 miles. We break it down into two categories, our arterial and our local roads. And we are required to update our PAYMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN EVERY TWO YEARS AND THE PAYMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN CREATES A RATING FOR OUR STREETS, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE PAYMENT CONDITION INDEX, PCI. SO THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO VISUALLY INSPECT OUR ARTERIALS EVERY TWO YEARS ON LOCAL ROADS EVERY SIX YEARS. Every two years, I do the arterial roads, and then the other years, I do a third of the local roads, trying to keep things up to date as possible, spread out our costs, and not give our consultant a heartache when they need to do six months, the local roads and the arterials for the report update. So the PMP is required by OCTA. It's one of the requirements that we need to complete to maintain eligibility for our local fair share from Measure M2. All right, PCI is just like taking a test at school. If the road is good, you get 100, you get an A. If you did badly, you get a very poor score. There are different ways the PCI is determined. It isn't just one size fits all. So as you can see here, multiple different items relate to the condition of our pavement. lot of it has to do with our thickness of our pavement section although to be honest our existing native subgrade is actually very strong and what we've seen in our local roads lately is if we don't touch it and we don't disturb it it creates a very solid base for us to work on top of All right, a PMP update for this year. We do contract with a third-party consultant, Buckman Infrastructure Group. They are contracted through 2728, and they've done our reports for many years. They also do many reports for OCTA, so they're very well, very knowledgeable in the work that they do. They are certified through OCTA, and that is one of the requirements for the PMP submittal. All right, let's get to the good stuff, or not necessarily the good stuff. So on the chart, it shows where we've been going since 2011 for the MPAH is arterial streets, locals obviously, and then the citywide is the average. So locals have been doing gradually creeping up. Arterials over the last couple of years dropped significantly, as you can see, but overall The citywide has prepped up. It's staying in the ballpark the last couple of years, but as you'll see, as I'll talk about, it will be dropping if we continue with our same budget amounts. Different presentation for the status of our roads. Arterials here, very good, 24%, very poor, 6%. The very poor at 6% is a pretty good number of what you want to aim for. The problem is 25% is also poor. You really want the high percentages in the fair and the good. Unfortunately, if you look at all of the categories here, we're unbalanced. We've got a lot of very good and a lot of very poor. And especially with all the roads at the bottom there, you can just see how unbalanced we are. And that's the problem that we have moving forward. with our rehabilitation and getting our pci out really quick just going to show you the latest and greatest maps just showing where our conditions are i've over the years you've heard me say about equality throughout the city being to be as equitable as we can i think these for good or bad these maps will show that we spread everything out throughout the city as much as we possibly can so these are the very good streets Then we get into the, as you can see, the amount drops off significantly, right, to the good. And also to the fair, a little harder to see, but you can see significant difference between the very good. Here's the poor. Doesn't look too bad until you get to the very poor. And it jumps up again. One thing I want to point out you can see here that over the years We've we've tried to address some of the outlying streets in neighborhoods or standalone cul-de-sacs And you can see a lot of the work we have left to do is actual complete neighborhoods So that's really what we need to try and tackle now is complete neighborhoods And obviously some of our arterial streets So kind of where are we trending I thought I'd add this slide to my usual presentation I So arterials. So obviously our very good and good is trending down. You can see that we're moving out of those percentages. The poor and the very poor is also trending down. You may think that's odd because the percentage has gone up. Well, the percentage going up and the poor and the very poor is not a good sign. So those are trending down. I expect over the short term it to turn around and trend up, and the reason being we do have delayed arterial projects that are about to go into construction. Raymond and Harbor. Harbor gets awarded tomorrow. Raymond has been awarded, so by the end of this calendar year, that work will be done. State College Boulevard, which we've been waiting for I don't know three years to get federal approval We are so so close. We hope to be starting construction in the fall on that State College do you mean Harbor? No, I mean State College Boulevard from Yorba Linda to northerly city limits and you need federal So we had, there was leftover money from the state college under us, and we requested that that money stay with us, and we earmark it to another project. So we said, hey, state college, state college, just keep it on state college. The problem we have with federal money is the timelines to get through all the paperwork has been incredibly frustrating, but the door is almost open for us to walk through. so That's a big stretch That will will help obviously and then coming a bit later will be the harbor Boulevard complete streets in Commonwealth Avenue Now the locals on the other hand as sure on the chart have been creeping up However, I'm not sure that's going to stay that way because of our budget levels. There's a good possibility That they will start creeping down We as I stay there we got limited funding for rehab. We've also got limited funding for slurry seals Which I really really think is important that we maintain slurry sealing on an annual basis So we just as you know, we need more money That is the overview. We have submitted the report this year to OCTA and So we've met compliance there and we will be starting next year with about a third of our locals. That is an informal report that we'll be doing that is not submitted to OCTA but we'll bring those the updated back to you guys sometime next year. You have any questions comments concerns. I will take them.

DIRECTOR DEWOLF. You know what. I'll start on my left this time.

Can you jump back to slide seven, please? I remember when we had this conversation last year, some of the feedback that I gave was to focus a little bit more on the local streets, despite the progress that had been made in the last few years on the arterials. So I was very pleased to see this slide. This is the numbers and the trend that at least I personally had asked for, more investment put into the local streets, even though that comes with the cost of the overall PCI slightly declining. For those of us who drive through some of these complete neighborhoods that are on the very, very poor side, it's important that some of the money be spent there. Although, if this trend continues, it's going to continue to decline on all of our streets. Not spending money is going to cost us a lot of money.

Yeah, and as you understand, the struggle here is on local streets. It's to spend the money on the streets where water predominantly, sometimes sewer, is being done. So it does leave out some of these larger neighborhoods that have very poor. It's a very big struggle to find the money to work on those.

Well, I'm pleased with the progress that you were able to make with the money that you do have, and I hope that we can continue to advocate for you having more. The second thing I wanted to talk about was you've mentioned equity We've seen some maps before dividing up the city into the five council districts the City Council is going to soon consider the environmental justice update environmental justice element to the general plan and I think there's a lot of good framework in in that element that we can we can start to measure equity and put it into into this context and So I would like to see an average PCI per census tract so that we can kind of compare not just how we're doing around the city, but into some of these particularly impacted communities and make sure that we are not exacerbating any undue burden being put by those communities. And it may not just be how Fullerton is investing in those streets. How the general community and the industry uses those streets is going to impact how how they deteriorate. So I would like to see that not only are we spending the money equitably across those impacted communities, but that they are not being disproportionately deteriorating due to the traffic that's put on them.

Thank you. How big of a challenge is it for you to come up with that based on census track?

So our consultant has a pretty slick web-based program. I haven't, I gotta go back and check everything, but essentially you can highlight an area and it will give you all the information related to that area.

It'll give you your information for your infrastructure.

for the PCI scores. Okay.

I like that.

And things like, you know, if I say, if I want to fix this street, this street, this street, this street, it could tell you how much because you've inputted costs.

And that's Bucknum who's doing that? Very nice. I would imagine they can import in the GIS files for all that and it's... Awesome. Okay.

When I heard that, I'm like, wait a minute. How hard is that going to be to do? It would be pretty tricky until I'm like, hey.

You know, 10 years ago, that would have been impossible. Oh, I would have been like, yeah, no. But I think we can manage something to meet what you're asking for.

Thank you.

No questions but again as an avid cyclist as much road work as we can get done in this city because again it's very clear when I leave the city of Fulton and just about every direction. We do have some projects coming up that are pretty highly traveled bicycle routes which will be really good to get those done.

So I think you've got a lot to balance as always so. I TRULY APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE WITH THE SOCIAL EQUITY INDEX, YOU STILL HAVE TO BALANCE WHAT THE BUDGET IS. AND WE NEED THOSE PIPES TO BE FIXED BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE TO FIX AN AREA KNOWING THAT PIPE IS GOING TO GO IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO, LIKELY TO BURST. SO I THINK THAT BALANCE IS IMPORTANT. And I from everything I've seen our staff has been pretty fair about that. So I appreciate that one of the questions to the questions I have the Some of the sidewalks and if we could ask how I've noticed a lot of black asphalt being put on the typically off-white sometimes white sidewalks It's not the same material. Is that a cost-saving measure? Is it a temporary patch? I

It's considered a temporary patch. It's intended to take away the tripping hazard that the uplifted sidewalk has. We used to paint them gray. Our city attorney suggested that was not or recommended that was not the best approach. You want to make it obvious that there's a displacement. Even though it's not a tripping hazard, you are not in the same plane. So they want to make it visually obvious that there is something different going on here, even though you shouldn't trip on a raised sidewalk. So that's why we do the the temporary asphalt Temporary asphalt can last for many years because of the time it takes us to get around and the funding we have to get to it We do the the ramping only if we cannot grind the edge down I Understand we're city attorneys coming from but it's absolutely an eyesore it makes especially in some of the

lower socioeconomic areas, it makes it look even worse when you've got three to six different shades, right? So I'll disagree on that one just a little bit.

I got a nice big patch in front of my house.

Yeah, I've seen it a few places. The other question is, and I brought this up before, But I think it's being exacerbated more and more, and I started seeing it on some of the different forums and things out there. The street sweepers are destroying the already loose asphalt. I mean, it's noticeable in some areas, even in front of my place. It's pretty bad, and you can see the difference after the street sweeper comes by. Because you're putting water, you're putting friction, you're putting the scrubbers, and I know they're not scrubbing super hard, but it is tearing up the streets even more. I know that people are worried about you know, well if we don't do this We're gonna get stuff inside of our rain gutters and so on But as we discovered Fullerton's never been fined or had a serious issue with that I think there needs to be a reexamination of that because I can't imagine we're saving more money by tearing up the streets, you know to a greater degree as opposed to you know a street that probably doesn't need to be sweeped at that time and

So I think we should add this to the work plan because I think it's within a year. Our contract for street sweeping is up for renegotiation. So I think it might be worthwhile to have our streets guys come in, just explain the program, the equipment they're using, the equipment we want them to use and how they use it, and just go through that whole process.

And I'm not so sure that...

I think it would be good to... Right. It would be nice from them to hear from you as residents as we kind of put the RFP together as well.

I mean, I used to like our in-house street sweeping. I thought they were very effective. In fact, they were better than the contractor that's been hired. I know some people think you save, but in the long term, I just haven't seen that. And I can tell you that even when they do go through a patch of even fallen leaves or buds from some of the dogwood trees, thank you, It's not really getting picked up that well.

So there are different types of sweepers. I'm not sure if we in-house, I think we have the vacuum sweeper, which is obviously doesn't, just takes what's off the surface. It doesn't have the brushes that can help things. So I think it'll be good to have our streets guy come in and just

I think we need to re-examine that, who's actually doing it, but maybe bring it back in-house. I do like having that control for you guys to have that ability to address those things. And then the last question on that, or just a little bit of input, now that we are doing opposite sides, I think that'll help since we're not tearing the street up every week. As an avid cyclist, as member Klinsberg brought up himself, it is scary on those edges because it'll put your bike right out in the middle of traffic. I mean, you'll ride a groove and not even realize what it's doing. Is there any thought to maybe even just looking at some of those well-traveled areas to just do the, what would you call it, the transition to the actual gutter area to the street? Because that is extremely dangerous.

We have talked internally just recently, actually, about, bike lanes in general and our in-house we want to do a little more paving and whether that's an opportunity for our guys to go out and do some paving it's we got to figure out the grinding for the paving first but it's something we we do consider on a regular basis the bike lanes it's just how can we implement it i mean i'm not even talking about the class 12 or whatever bike lanes yeah yeah

But that's a whole other topic, and I've got all sorts of...

So, you know, obviously, if there are specific locations that are more concerning than others, let us know, and we can go out there and inspect it and see what we can do to obviously make it better or do something more... extensive.

Just an idea, if it's available. I know you've got a lot with other things, but with schools starting back up and things like that, kids that actually override, they're not going to pay as much attention as an adult. And those that are experienced can at least recover from something, hopefully. In any case, thank you.

More big comments.

I know that one of the biggest factors that deteriorate our roads are these big rigs, big trucks. Have you guys already considered rechecking the truck routes? Probably if we check the truck routes and reroute them somewhere else, probably this will help in alleviating the condition of our roads.

Okay, so we have a standard truck route through a few of our arterials. There are also the need to issue particular permits when trucks need to come off of those roads to get to their site. So just because we have maybe we limit the quote-unquote unpermitted routes doesn't mean to say you're going to stop trucks going on other routes because they have to get there. They just have to get a permit from us to allow them to get to their destination and then back out. So every CIP project we have, we give them a route that they have to take to get into the neighborhood and then out of the neighborhood. So I don't think you're ever going to limit trucks throughout our streets. We just have to do our best to design for them and keep our streets in a good condition as long as we possibly can. So from a CIP standpoint, we try to limit the number of trucks. That's why we design our projects the way we do, to limit the number of trucks that come in. But trucks in general, there's not too much we can do.

Do we have any signs on the street that says, truck that weighs this much are not allowed to enter? Do we have those kind of prohibitions?

On a few streets, going across certain bridges, yes, we have restrictions. Truckers should all be aware of that. But coming down the State College, Bass and Cherry, any of those streets, there's not, I mean, other than the normal legal restrictions that truckers have, that's what we have.

Okay. Thank you.

All right. I should have asked earlier, do we have any public comments on this at all?

Go ahead, Julie.

Good evening. Thank you very much. First of all, I wanted to say I agree with, I don't know exactly who's been speaking. It's hard to see online. I agree wholeheartedly with the street sweeping. It was much better when it was in-house. I live on a street that has the jacaranda trees, and they are now just changing our signs, and I'm dreading going to the every other week because of the mess that the trees leave behind. the the truck will go by way too fast and what i consider way too fast and hardly anything's ever even picked up so now the thought of going every other week is just it's terrible i mean the stuff sticks to your feet there's sap all over the place so i'm i'm i'm really dreading that um You know, they go by one time where the city, when they were in-house, they'd go by several times and kind of clean a lot more. Also, they don't do the roundabouts, and those are just always full of debris going around the circle. Also, I wanted to just add a comment as a resident about the roads, you know, the bad condition ones or, you know, the reds, the pinks. I would love to see something that shows like the last time a street was done. I've lived in my home for 30 years and not once has it ever been done. They did do Wilshire when they put in the roundabouts. But as far as my street, which is Woods, super busy street. I mean, tons and tons of cut through traffic, lots of trucks going up and down, which shouldn't be going up and down. I think that just adds to the deterioration. And along with the fact that we have maybe the percentage of the road, considering how bad it is, we also maybe need to update and find out how many cars are traveling on the streets. Because maybe that can start prioritizing some of the streets that are in really bad condition, which ones should be considered first. And then we also have no way of knowing if the delay is because of sewers. So it's really hard to get any information on maybe the last time things were done or why is my street or this neighborhood being delayed. I think an update on the traffic flow. through certain streets would be helpful, and maybe that can help target some of the bad points that are going on, and some streets could be maybe looked at a little bit harder. So I appreciate all you guys do. It's been an interesting conversation that you're having, and I appreciate you bringing up many of the things that the residents have been talking about as well. So thanks very much.

Thank you for calling in. Just to address one of our things that I could that stuck out to me I think you do take into consideration the traffic on certain streets like you know, like Bass Ventura is obviously a lot more traveled than a Residential street, right?

I mean we keep traffic counts on most of our major roads not so much the residentials, but it's this interesting comment I'll double check on some of the residential collectors. We we have traffic counts and On Wood, say, from Chapman to Commonwealth, unlikely. But it's something I'll talk to the traffic division about as to whether it makes sense to, while we're doing other traffic counts, just out of curiosity, what's happening there versus what a typical residential is seeing, right? Is there a big spike on some of these roads that, yeah, could be used as cut-through? So I think that's a valid comment to make.

One other thing that did come up, we're getting a lot of the, obviously, you know, the Amazon economy where everything's getting delivered. And, you know, one of the downsides of people pushing the electric delivery vehicles and so on, they're a lot heavier. Has anybody looked at possibly, you know, billing the user? I mean, not the resident, but I mean, you've got, you know, large companies just like pulling these big rigs down your street. You know, we do look at those. Are we looking at the...

heavy you know delivery vehicles as well i'm sure jeff bezos will not be happy but so over the years we've looked at ways of uh the utility companies possibly building them on a linear foot of trenching but a lot of companies don't trench too much anymore and i do believe and i wasn't privy to all the details we did look at a few years ago could we um you know basically charge the delivery companies coming in i think

part of it and don't quote me on any of this would be how do you figure that out yeah you'd have to get some internal data from them but uh and you know what uh one of my cohorts i think brought a good point that obviously the cost would just be turned over to the end consumer yeah but just something to for consideration right if nobody has anything else oh that's right um based on on the public comment uh i have a question about uh

Is some of this data available on the GIS, similar to like the CIP projects, you can drill down to what street and see what's available. Can someone see the PCI of their street or the year that it was last constructed?

You can. It's a little difficult because you have to go into the PMP and then drill down on the PMP to find it. We don't have it on a public-facing document on our GIS that pops up. We have it internally. Thank you.

All right, if nobody has anything else, I'm gonna go ahead and deem this received and filed. Okay, move on to item number seven, CIP and general infrastructure highlights.

All right. So for everybody's favorite part of the meeting, let's get started giving you guys some updates on the projects that we're working on. So let's start off with design and bidding faces for streets. Obviously, with the new fiscal year, it's a new wave of projects. So this list has been updated reflecting that. Some of these projects should look familiar as we walk through this. when we did our cip uh and street uh projects uh for the cip budget um but just to give you a summary of these projects um overall view high level higher level if you have more specific questions we could answer those uh project one two and five through eight Uh, those are all grant funded projects, um, projects three, nine and 10. Uh, those are following a water main project. That's either has already been completed or is in the process of being completed and in the construction right now. Um, so again, this, these are the projects that we're working towards, uh, uh, this upcoming, this, this actual fiscal year. For water, not much changed here. The only project that got added for now is Project 11, which is Commonwealth. It's a pretty lengthy project where we're looking to replace or upsize our old water main with the new water main. And it goes from Montague all the way to Chapman. So about 1.3 miles. that we're trying to replace there. Pretty lengthy. All right. So what's in construction or is getting awarded? So this mapping list has some significant changes from the last time we met. Obviously, lots of construction going on right now since it's summer. We bid out a lot of these projects that are getting awarded so that They can get built in the summer when weather is better. So just to give you some updates on some of these projects. Project 10, Baker Avenue. That project is adjacent to Woodcrest Elementary. Project is basically complete with some minor punch list items. So if you want to go out there and take a look at it, it's pretty much done. Project 11, Pacific Wanda Lewis area. Again, this is close by and adjacent to Pacific Elementary School next to Pacific Drive Park. That also got completed this past month. That was or is a CDBG project grant fund supplemented with other local funds from us. Ongoing projects 9, 12, and 14 are ongoing right now. They're in construction and they're anticipated to be completed within the next either month or few months. And then project 6 has been awarded. It's anticipated it's going to start early next month. And 13 and 15... are going to council for award in tomorrow's council meeting. So, like I said and mentioned, lots of, I would say, construction going on right now. Still continuing to work through these various projects here, but I wanna highlight, since we were talking about it earlier, in this next list, is the slurry seal project. So, for this fiscal year, or this, past fiscal years, Slurry Seal Project. We'll talk a little bit more on it. I'll give some details on it, but overall um we i'll get into it so um we ended up going with three different areas um in the city um so this is where we applied slurry seal uh treatment on selected uh residential neighborhoods um obviously slurry co is a preventative measure uh we're trying to extend the payment live and part of it is the effort to preserve the streets that are in good condition and not get them to a condition where it deteriorates, where it becomes a full removal and reconstruction, which is a lot more costly. So area one, very close or adjacent to WordPress Park, Like I mentioned, we did a grind and overlay, and so we wanted to close off the neighborhood there, and so we did a slurry seal adjacent to it. Area two is around Hill from Highland to Harbor, and then the third area is along close by the Commonwealth State College Chapman area.

So I'll jump in here real quick. Just a couple things. The reason... we picked these were twofold. One is we had some a little bit remaining of the ARPA funds that we needed to spend. So we had to get a project out and it was relatively small scoped project. Second is we wanted to as Juan said kind of pick areas that would finish a neighborhood or a large area of a neighborhood so that that project that area is basically done. everyone's got similar condition streets within the area. So that's why these particular streets were picked. Also the contractor we use we've been using for a number of years now really like their product. It's we sole source them because we piggyback off their contracts but it's high in my opinion for lack of a better term higher quality Surrey Seal. I've been very happy with its performance over the past five years. So we I we work on a a kind of understood square footage per day that they can put down. so we have to look we try to balance the areas because we're paying for labor no matter what for the day so we want to get as much work as we can get done for the day so we balance the areas so sometimes you may look at that street and go why did we pick that street adjacent to it because we could because we could balance we could get that square footage done that day so just a little bit of background of why we picked what we picked where we picked it yeah and

Just to add to that in more detail, there's a lot of No, it's okay. There's a lot of coordination between different divisions and outside agencies, right? And it goes back to Republic Services when it's trash pickup. We're trying our best not to slurry seal and have trash pickup be the next day, right? So it's trying to work that out. When can we phase things out? Access, right? We can't just do one entire neighborhood and then no one could get out, right? So... we work closely with the contractor. We work with Republic services, uh, also with our maintenance folks, um, uh, coordinating certain things that need to happen before we get the project going. And obviously it's, it's, um, public outreach, right. Uh, letting residents know like, Hey, there's going to be time of period where, uh, for a day that you're, you're not going to be able to get out. Right. So it's, um, there's a lot of goes, back, there's a lot that goes into the project. Then the length of the project, this is a quick project. This was three days and they were done, but it's a lot of work goes into it before we get to that point. Um, so I'll just share some pictures. Um, I don't have aerials, but at least I'll show you something of what it looks like out there. Um, So this is in areas where they've already applied it. You can clearly see it's obviously darker than what it is before.

And I think some of you have kind of seen this. Part of the quality of this product is it keeps its color a lot longer. So it protects the pavement. We did it on streets that... They weren't perfect to begin with. They were borderline slurry, which is what I want to do. This type of slurry helps fill in the cracks and it'll hold everything together. The ride is still pretty smooth. But I think part of the appeal here is when you have a darker pavement, it gives a better sense that it's newer and it stays better that way. I think it gives a better feel for the residents, for the neighborhood, that it's a newly maintained and continuously maintained product out there.

All right. So with that, I'll close it out with just staffing engineering and really not much updates here. Unfortunately, we haven't been able to fill the two positions or at least the one position that we're looking to to fill back in in the CIP division. It's still vacant. Working with the HR, try to see what we can do for any recruiting. But with that, this concludes the presentation. So I'll open it up for committee.

I'll just throw in there our private development civil engineer will likely be held vacant as part of the budget process.

No public comment.

First one's a comment. Darker pavement is an interesting concept. I appreciate what you're saying with that. But darker pavement is also associated with more heat retained. So I wonder if there are other cool streets and pigments and colors that you can get that same effect where people are going to recognize it. without contributing to urban heat island.

It's interesting because PMI are working on a cool pavement, and they've reached out to me a couple of times. It's been a while since I've reached out to them. They wanted to do a pilot project of it on one street, so I was very interested to do that. They would do it for free, so I'd be like, hey, come on down. That'll get people's attention. But I haven't heard from them, so I think they were struggling with it a little bit, so we'll see. I don't know exactly. Obviously asphalt gets hot no matter what it is. Is it going to be a little bit hotter potentially? Is it significant? I couldn't tell you.

There are some pilots that should probably be studied, but I don't think that I'm making a conclusive statement with that. My other questions are back to slide four if we need to refer to it. You said about Project 12 being maybe a few more months. That one's adjacent to a school also, right?

No, that one's actually slated to be completed before school starts. So I'll give you a little bit more detail. They're actually paving out there. Grinding and paving this week and potentially the following week. So I would say that majority of the major work is supposed to be completed before score starts. So there could be some striping that might need to be completed. But the goal is to get Puente and Rolling Hills. And then if anything remains, it'll be inside in the neighborhood.

So that would avoid any impacts, traffic impacts to the school.

The only street left to pave is Rolling Hill.

So we anticipate it being completed on time, no problem. Same question about Project 4, which is also near Laguna Road.

So Coronado, that's only a project for Coronado area. That's only a water improvement project. So the street isn't getting paid for that project.

Is there any parking restrictions or street closures that might extend into the school year?

I believe, if I'm not mistaken, I think for the most part the water main is in.

So, yeah, the main is in and working on services. So any impacts would... I think should be on the interior. Yeah. So really shouldn't impact the school pick up and drop off, you know, down at the end of these little cul-de-sacs. For the last two, yeah, but the two closest to the school, I think.

If you can just communicate with the principal or the school district, if anything's going to go on to that time, I'm sure that the volunteer taxi drivers would appreciate it. Is there any other project on this list that might extend into the drop-off time of school year?

I think the only one, but it's still pretty far out, Sunny Hills.

I would make the same request if you would say yes, just please communicate with the principal. Yeah, we will. Thank you.

Yeah, it would probably be number 14, but that really... It's a ways out. It's too far away for people to park and then walk. Yeah.

Yeah. Sunny Hills area. But yeah, as a typically for CIP projects, we do reach out to the school district and other agencies outside. Just letting them know like, hey, we are doing a project. So it might impact maybe if it's a bus route, if that's the case.

So just to steal your comments for a minute I just want to point out number 13 so you know we're planning on doing that at night to minimize impacts and actually from my perspective to make it safer for everybody the workers and the traveling public.

Thank you. This is our first meeting since the school year ended too so I had communicated with both of you separately but In the next school year, I would like to see that, let me tell my story. Before, it was the last week of school, there was a sign placed inside the street talking about the project that was coming up. So my request is that in the next year, as we're gearing up for these projects, anything that announces the project or signage that might go and impede the flow of traffic, not be placed there until the school year has ended. Thank you.

Mr. Chair, usually my experience with nighttime work is that we're getting a lot of complaints from residents because of the noise generated by the work. So I would, just a suggestion. Generally, especially when you're working near the school area, start after the kids are already in school and pulled up. Work should be done before the kids goes out of school. Usually it's from eight to two. By 8 o'clock, the kids are already in school. You stop at 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock, I think the kids are dismissed. So in that way, you know, traffic is not impeded.

I would agree with you. We try to schedule and program projects that have direct impacts to schools in the summertime when the school is out. If there are any reasons or circumstances where we have to be in front of the school we always coordinate that directly with the school. But as you can see, we scheduled three, four, five projects that were adjacent to schools in the summer to minimize all of those. But your point is taken.

Thank you. I used to live near a school, and I know how hard it is. And also, I'm not so sure. I think it's slide number three. Underwater. It's project number 11, I think. You're going to change water main replacement for Montague to Chapman. It's 1.3 miles. Are we actually going to shut down water when we're doing that?

No, no. What we do is we obviously have to keep the water system running. So we install a new pipeline in a different location. And then once that's been tested, cleaned, bacteria testing, everything is clear. Then we do a tie over to the the existing main either end.

So there may be some inconveniences for the one time when they do the tie-ins as they're doing tie-ins. But to Dave's point, it's build a new one. And then when we tie it in, that's where you'll get a notice or residents or businesses will get a notice of, hey, you're going to have a shutdown.

And is that just like for an hour or two or?

Typically, hopefully. Okay. If everything goes well, it's brief. And depending on what it serves, maybe we do it at night. A lot of the bigger mains we'll do at night just because it serves such a big area.

Or if there's a higher use of a – if there's a user that uses a lot of water during the day, then it's scheduled to be done at night when they're not using as much.

Thank you.

All right. With that, I'm going to go ahead and deem that received and filed as well. And then move on to staff and committee communication. So this is where committee members may ask a question. One second. Clarification. Any of the other previous items?

So we do have a staff communication.

Oh, you do? I'll wait until you guys are done. Yeah.

Yours is that impactful, huh?

Yeah, it's amazing. It's a doozy.

Make a brief report on his or her activities. Request staff to report back at a subsequent meeting concerning any matter or direct staff to place a matter of business on the future agenda. Staff may also communicate with the committee to ask questions at this time.

I'm sure you're aware of it. The budget for next fiscal year goes in front of council tomorrow. It won't be adopted tomorrow. expectation is the direction will be given so it can be adopted in August don't anticipate any significant changes to CIP we had the budget session last week really no comments on CIP because obviously their focus is on the general fund so we're anticipating the budget as you saw it so that to move forward interesting one though is out of the budget session council requested that we have a discussion regarding infrastructure a special tax in special infrastructure tax so that will be presented tomorrow obviously typically that would be something that would be discussed with the committee here prior to but because of timing we didn't have a meeting so obviously as residents you are welcome to provide public comment during that time if the committee would like to make a comment we can't discuss it because we couldn't agendize this however if we have previous recommendations from the committee so if the committee would like to do that the chair or the vice chair can make those comments as on behalf of the committee the rest of the committee may make comments but they must make them as residents not as committee members So I just want to make you guys aware of that if you weren't aware of what's going on there. And then finally, we received an email to the committee yesterday, which is shown on the screen, all related to bike lanes. So there's a couple of things. I can go through the status of these, but also would like direction from the committee. The assumption is the staff would respond on behalf of the committee we can draft an email response run it by the chair before we send it out but at the end I'll ask for that direction so if we go down these the block of Berkeley between Chapman and Wilshire well actually this is getting paved next next week next week next week as our in-house crews are paving a lot of those streets in that neighborhood that is one of them so it's actually going to get paved from Chapman to Commonwealth so those poor condition streets will have an overlay on them so make them a lot nicer to deal with the item he's talking about CDBG there's not that location that is further east that's a different location completely Acacia has been brought up for many years yes Acacia is not in good shape this is one where As I previously mentioned we could discuss with our in-house guys to see whether they could at least Do something on the shoulder slash bike lane area to see if we can make that better I just cannot guarantee anything at this time Keisha north of Chapman is is terrible now regarding we're moving parking that is something we would need to talk to our traffic division about and it would likely have to go to TCC and Even if we have the rights, if that's the right word, to remove parking from a local road. We'll have to investigate all of that. And then re-striping Bass and Cherry between Associated and the city line to provide buffering. That is definitely something we can discuss with our traffic division to see if something we can implement now. That is definitely something we would implement when we do rehab, but obviously rehab is not programmed for this area in the near future. So maybe that's something we can add as a traffic division striping update project separately. Those are the updates on the bulleted items. Obviously, you guys have a chance to read it when it comes to the second to the last paragraph, the trenches for the fiber optic. Our inspectors are out doing, you know, obviously inspecting the conditions. We are making them do repairs, a lot of repairs. Are we going to catch all the repairs? I don't think we are. We're doing the best we can. So there are going to be areas that... maybe not up to conditions that people deem acceptable. If there are specific locations for bike lists, please let us know. We can review them and see if we can get those on the list to be addressed. Yeah, it's a struggle, unfortunately.

And are they actually following through on their commitments to fix these things?

They are actually right now. They're doing a pretty good job of addressing the locations we have pointed out of being significant issues. I'll be honest in saying the direction I gave to inspectors was to focus on the bigger areas rather than up against the gutter. But if there are specific areas up against the gutter that you're seeing in bike lanes, let us know and we'll go out and take that. We're more concerned with the crossings and the areas where they did like a two by two and they backfilled that and that's failed. So that's kind of what I told our inspectors to focus on, but not solely focus on. If you guys have any comments on this, happy to take it and direction of how to respond because obviously I don't want to wait a month to agendize this, for lack of a better term, and get direction on how to respond to this.

Let me ask you on this parking on Dorothy from Acacia to Longview, are residents using that parking, that available parking?

So Acacia to Longview. Longview is trying to remember where long view is that next to the school elementary So, you know long views at the West End I'm turned around reason. I'm on Acacia before I stay call Dorothy. Sorry on Dorothy. Yeah, I'm turned around I

There's typically cars on both sides.

That's kind of my usual route Yeah, I think I think I mean Mountain View we will Location we can take a look to see how how many houses front or how many houses don't front that to see if there's an opportunity to remove parking but i'll also need to look at our regulations for what it takes to remove parking from residential streets because i i don't want to impact the residents that are absolutely using that yeah yeah there are a lot of multi-family homes out that way too correct in some of the areas yeah i think a lot of this is single family um

I'm seeing a lot more ADUs along Dorothy.

Right, yeah. I think Acacia will be tough. Dorothy might have some areas, but it'd be limited. Yeah.

Oh, okay. Because you guys are bringing all this up, those bullet points to council tomorrow, or what are you going to do with those bullet points?

He's looking for a response.

Yeah.

I'm going to make a recommendation. You draft the response, run it by the chair. And if the chair is in agreement, I would support that.

That's my recommendation. If you guys are comfortable with that, let's go.

And I did not write that email.

We're still going to say you did, though. So if you guys are good with that, then I'll wait for that to come through, David. And I know you guys are on a time crunch.

Yeah, we don't want some waits to respond.

No, you're welcome to call.

Call me tomorrow if you want. Can I make a quick comment, Chair? Yeah, I've seen here that some places are smooth and others are actually not settled and can catch a fire. So that means sloppy work, right? Can we oblige the contractor to go back and, you know, work on it?

I think that's what we're doing.

Oh, okay. All right.

Okay.

If they don't want to, don't pay them.

We're not paying them. We're not paying them. It's private. All right. That's it for my comments.

Sir, anything else? Okay. So with that agenda forecast, upcoming items? Oh, did you have something, Craig?

I did. I had a question, and I don't know if it could be answered now, but we might want to consider agendizing it at a future meeting. And that is, I don't know if members, Sergeant or Tuna, who Tuna is not here but is still on the roster as a member, if they're active or if they're listed as members of the utility bill dispute panel. That is something we need to look at. So just planting the seed and saying, would you please look into that? And then if need be, we can address it, yeah.

It's interesting this year, we haven't really had any.

Move to adjourn.

Anything else, anybody?

Nothing else from staff.

All right. So we've got our agenda forecast coming up. And with that, any input? Any comments? Nothing? All right. With that, we're going to go ahead and adjourn. Thank you, everyone, for coming. Thank you.