Active Transportation Committee - Regular Meeting

Chair Mansuri?

Present.

Vice chair Dillard?

Present.

Commissioner Cavallo?

Present.

Commissioner Sherry?

Here.

Commissioner Walker?

Present.

K. I will move on to pledge of allegiance. So everyone please rise. Please face the flag. Place your right hand on your heart, and let's play again.

Please take seats. Okay. The first item is public comments. I'll open the floor for any public comments on items that are not on the agenda. You have three minutes to speak on any items not on the agenda. Nobody here. Anybody online? Okay. Moving on to the next item, which is the consent calendar. Item number one, minutes of 02/02/2026. Any discussion, or do I have a motion to accept?

I have I'd like to recommend some changes.

Okay. Any other? Okay. Commissioner Walker, I would Okay. Request you to please.

If you look on the meeting minutes, if you look at page two, the lower third, as you know, it says, you know, multiple residents were supports, multiple residents were against. There's a statement here. Multiple residents voiced their concerns about about Euclid and Valley View. And then there's a statement by Melanie Manchuk stated it can be a liability. I believe that's really just conjecture, and I believe that probably given that fact that she's not staff, she's not she's not an attorney, there's we didn't include there are several other comments from other individuals that are not included. I think it's kind of unreasonable to have that statement in there and probably should be removed.

Okay. Any objection to removing that statement? Hearing no objections, I would so request. With that change, is anyone ready to make a motion to accept these minutes with that change that commissioner Walker mentioned?

I second the motion with the changes that were recommended.

K. So you're actually moving to accept the minutes.

Okay. So

we need to accept the minutes with the changes that were recommended.

And do I have a second?

I'll second that.

K. I have a first and second. Please call the roll.

Chair Mansouri?

Yes.

Vice chair De Leon?

Yes.

Commissioner Cavallo?

Yes.

Commissioner Sherry? No. Commissioner Walker?

Yes. Okay. So the minutes are approved for one. The next item is the early morning parking restriction repeal north side of Evergreen Avenue between Ponderosa Avenue and two fifty feet east of Brea Boulevard. Do we have a presentation?

Yes. And good evening, chair, vice chair, and commissioners. Staff will present this item. Alright. So before you, we're presenting item.

We've received a request to repeal the early morning parking and just on the North Side Of Evergreen. We'll go to the map here. They're asking for just the north side on Evergreen between Brea and Ponderosa. I'm gonna give you the timeline of how we got here. So in November '22, staff had received a petition asking for removal of or re yes.

Removal of the early morning parking on just the north side of the street. They obtained the signatures. The petitioner, had support on both sides of the street, which is required to do so. And they submitted it, and so staff was going to take this to the TCC at that time. Staff then sent out notices like we do for every meeting that affects the residents on both sides of the street and let them know that a TCC this item would be heard at the TCC.

A day or two after that was received by the residents, one of the residents went and distributed flyers on all the cars along that street letting the other neighbors know that they should not be supporting this, and they were against it. Staff then received calls and emails, and residents that had originally been in support of this proposal had let staff know that they were no longer in support of it, and they wanted their name removed from the petition. From there, it no longer had support, the support required in order to apply for this. And so then staff had sent out an email or a a mailer a week later letting everybody know that the item would no longer be heard because it did not have the support, and that's where it sat all this time. And so January, the applicant had, again, reached out about having the item brought before the TCC even though it had not met it still does not have support.

But because they had paid the fee, we said, let's just bring it before the commission because other than that, it's just going to sit here. And so then in February February 20, staff sent out notices to let the residents on both sides of the street and the apartment complex. Approximately, 70 notices were mailed out to residents and property owners letting them know about the meeting. And then let's see. Yes.

So once the residents and property owners had received it, again, we received about 11 emails of in opposition. I did not receive a single one in support of the proposal. And so I updated the map. We had a map from '22, which I will show you next, of how it was then before it lost the support and how it is now based on communication that was received. And, unfortunately, we had to cancel the meeting Monday.

And because of that, we immediately posted everything. And we also waited outside of city hall in case anybody showed up to let them know that we were going to reschedule for today as a special meeting. And so that's where we are today. And then in addition to that, we went and put a flyer at every property, the apartments, and all the houses letting them know that we would have a meeting today. We had everything posted more than twenty four hours, which is the requirement for a special meeting.

And so that brings us to today. This is the map as was received with the support in 2022. The north side was two of the properties were in favor of it. Of the three, the third one had not responded. On the bottom side so you can see green was in favor.

Yellow, we did not receive a response, and red was opposed to it. And also on the south side, the majority was green in favor of it. But that was before we started receiving less support from it. And then I updated the map. So this is the responses that we received the last few weeks.

So still, the top two are in favor. But this time, on the North side, they did, email and say they were not in support of this as well as the houses on the South side. These were the communication that we received that they were not in support of it. And the yellow ones, we did not receive any communication. And okay.

Alright. And so if you're not familiar with the early morning parking prohibit oh, and also right. Before I back up. While while this was happening so in '22, this was the only option that they had to either ask for the early morning parking to be exempted or they would get tickets from parking overnight. Between then and now, they have the option to apply for a early morning parking permit, and they don't need to go through the process of having the whole side of the street exempted, which is a lot of work because you have to get petitions, support, bring it here.

If they wanted to do the other option, they just apply for the permit. And then it would also not limit them to which side of the street because if everybody were to apply for it, they could park on the north side. And if it became impacted that there was no space, they could then park on the South Side, which would be permitted per the policy. So I'm gonna go through, part of the program, just some of it. So in this case, these are the requirements for the program.

So in this case, it's they only want one side of the of the street to have the exemption. So in order to do that, a majority of the property owners on that side of the street must be in support of the request as well as the combined majority of property owners from both sides of the street. So it still is not meeting that requirement at this time. They've also paid the fee, so that's required. In order for us to move forward, there's a fee that has to be paid for staff to bring us to the commission.

And then the request for the exemption is placed on the TCC, such as we did today. Notices of the hearing were mailed. We sent everybody that's affected property owners and residents, letting them know about the meeting. And we gave notice to the owners contacted, and then we're here where I'm presenting the report, and then we're bringing it to the commission to make a determination. And also for the purpose of the review, the area may be found deficient in parking if available.

Off street parking is less than the current minimum requirements. We looked at the apartment complex. There's 62 units. And based on the aerial from what we could see, it looked like there were approximately a 124 units. So two parking spaces per unit. They cannot use them for storage because most of it is a carport. I think I saw about 12 of them were garages. I could not see in there. But most of them are covered carports, and some of them are just open spaces. They would not be able to use it for anything other than a parking space.

Alright. So, again, if if there's garages, we are assuming that they are using them for parking and no other purposes. The garages were not open, so we could not determine that. We're assuming that is the case that they are using them for parking spaces. And if you vote to deny the request, the decision is final unless appealed by the applicant, and then it would go to city council.

If it's appealed, they have to submit this in writing, and they have ten days for us to then move forward with it. And if it gets if they do request an appeal, there is a fee fee that has to be paid in order for us to move this item forward to council. So now I'm going to go into the early morning parking permit program that was it was a pilot program originally established in 2024. So this happened well after we had received the initial petition request. And so that was established for eighteen it would run for eighteen months.

And during that time, we received very few complaints. Most of the complaints were from people that were not able to create an account or apply for the permit, but not for the program itself. So as far as programs go for a city, that's very good if we get very few complaints about a program. And, also, the staff was very inundated with calls and emails and people showing up at the counter just in general before we had done this program. So this helped everybody, which is a great thing.

Now there's requirements in order for those to qualify for an early morning parking permit. So it has to be a property owner or a tenant of a single family unit or a multifamily unit. If it's a single family home, they're eligible for two parking permits. If it's a multifamily such as apartments, they're eligible for one parking permit per unit. And the vehicles must park adjacent to the property.

That's what I was saying. In this case, if if they applied for a permit, they would have to park on the north side adjacent to their property. However, if everybody from the apartment complex were to apply and parking became full, they would be allowed to park on the south side of the street as well, which is not what the residents from the south side would want. And then the permits are valid for the whole year, so it doesn't matter what time they apply. If they applied now, it's still valid till December 31, and they're not prorated at any rate.

So it's $50 for the whole year whether you buy it January 1 or December 31. And so in order to to apply for it, they would have to complete the online application. But before they do that, they would have to create an account. And once they have the account, then they would have to provide a email address. They would have to provide a property that their property's in the city.

They would have to have a copy of the utility bill or lease rental agreement. Verifying proof of residency, we would need a copy of their California driver's license indicating residency at the address, license plate for all vehicles at the address, and a copy of the current vehicle registration for each vehicle at the address. This way, they could put the permit on any of their vehicles. They would still be limited to the two if it's a single family home and one if it is a multifamily home. They would also have to self certify that the property is in compliance with all city codes and that they're actually using the garage for a garage and not for storage, and that's why they're asking for the parking permits.

And they would have to pay the $50 per permit. So to bring it in summary, so per the Fullerton Municipal Code eight forty four dot 80, support for the exemption has not been met. So they do not have the required number of signatures in favor of their request. We've received, as of now, 11 emails in opposition of the proposal. The early morning parking permit program was established and approved by council from the time that we received the initial petition to now.

So they did not have that available to them at the time. And, also, I have an update. So since we look we just looked it up today, one unit has been issued an early morning parking permit. One unit has a permit application pending. Four units have an approved account but have not applied for a permit yet, and one account is pending from a single family home on the South Side of the street.

So I believe at the time when they had applied, they were not aware of this program. And since it's come up, we had phone calls with them. They are aware of it now, and it seems that they're starting to take that into account. And if if the exemption were approved, then the early morning parking permit would no longer be valid. So that's one of the rules.

So if a area has an exemption already in place, they cannot apply for a parking permit. And the ones that were already issued, we discussed this. They would be able to keep it until the end of the year, and then it just would not be renewed because it wouldn't be fair to remove it from them. So another thing to think about, while staff is recommending to deny the request based on the requirements of the policy not being met, the request does bear merit to consider, the request but adjusted slightly. Instead of the whole north side of Evergreen Avenue between Brea Boulevard and Ponderosa Avenue, you may wanna consider just the north side, but from Brea Boulevard until the alley just west of the last property at 1355 Evergreen Avenue, who is in the process of applying for a parking permit, which is why they are not in support of changing the parking.

This would allow for approximately 25 vehicles to park on the North side of the street. This would also now allow anyone to park or not allow anyone to park on the South Side Of Evergreen as well as the last house on the North Side Of Evergreen before Ponderosa was non spoiler parking. It should be noted that they are applying for the permit. There have been other areas in the city where modifications to an exemption were made, where it didn't go from block to block because the program requires it's a full block if you're doing the exemption. One of them was Baker Avenue just West of Highland.

It did not go the full block. So we have made exceptions before per direction of the commission. You can see from the map here, the green would be the modification, and the north side wouldn't go the full length per the request. So that brings us to the recommendation is you can either concur with the city traffic engineer's recommendation of denial for an exemption from the early morning parking restriction on the north side of Evergreen Avenue between Ponderosa Avenue and 250 feet east of Brea Boulevard, or you can make the modification and decide to still move forward with the request, or you can come up with other options. Now the reason I bring that up is because if it's if it's denied, then they are still eligible to apply for an early morning parking permit and could potentially park on both sides of the street.

If it were approved, they could not apply for the parking permits, and they would have to only park within that area. And if you modified it, as I had explained, then it would limit them to just be in front of the apartment all the way toward Brea and not the last house on the north side of the street, which does not support this request. And so that is my presentation.

Public comments, I would just like to get one clarification. This is somehow confusing me, the wording. So if you would please help me

Yes.

Understand this. So this is early morning parking restriction repeal.

Yes.

But now early morning parking has been restricted, so there was never because even in 2022, it was not approved. An exemption was not approved in 2022. So I'm just confused or I'm probably not understanding it correctly. What is this repeal about? Because it never got approved. So this is really just talking about not allowing, you know, to remove. But there is no repeal here. Or what what am I missing here?

So we have a citywide ordinance. Nobody is allowed to park between two and 5AM. As an ordinance. They're asked

I understand that. Yeah.

To remove that restriction on just that portion of their street.

So they're requesting

would be exempt from being getting ticketed without having a permit. That's what they're asking for.

Yeah. But my question is there has never been an approval to remove that restriction. So if they're the repeal word is throwing me off.

They're asking to so there is a restriction right now.

Correct.

They would like the restriction removed. They would remove

Okay.

The restriction to repeal it.

Okay.

But it's just for their street. We have a lot of areas throughout the city where we've done this, where we've removed the restriction, and then anybody can park there. So sometimes we get calls and they go, I've been getting tickets, and I don't have a permit, or I live in apartment where they have this restriction, I'm not eligible. And we tell them, well, you can park in areas such as this where there's no restriction anymore, and you won't get a ticket parking there at night.

Thank you. Okay. I'll open the floor for any comments on this particular agenda item.

Commissioner, may I ask I have a question before you

So how about we if you don't mind, let's just have the public comment, and then we'll bring it back. Please go ahead.

Yes. My name is Michael O'Shea. I live at 1318 Evergreen Avenue, Ellerton on the street in question. This is Bill Emrons. He is my neighbor. He lives at 1312 Evergreen. We're here today to to not support the removal of the restriction. It was denied in '22. And as you can see from the information I think you heard mister Platnik. Right?

Yes. Mister Platnik presented, there's even greater resistance to this now than there was then. My question I have though is, what are the requirements for a exemption for a permit? Is there any specific requirements for the permit? Is it special needs or anything of that nature if you wanna apply for a parking permit?

Okay. We'll we'll, give you the answer.

Yeah. Okay.

Thanks. Yeah. We'll provide the answer. Anything else you would like to add? You have Sure. Minutes left.

Sure. It's there's been one resident of the apartments who she was behind the original motion to the original, I should say, from a, excuse me, petition. And, originally, mister Ameren signed the petition. And after it had been submitted, he found out that the petition he assigned was sub was substituted for a different petition. So he found that information to be a little bit, you know, concerning.

We expressed our concern to the city at that time that not all the information I mean, this was a real, what I wanna say, kind of convoluted affair. And so he kinda felt like he was pricked in deciding it. And he at at the result, he removed his name from the petition as did a number of other people. So they were told something that wasn't really the fake that faced value of the petition. I found this out.

I consulted with the neighbors, and that's why mister Plotnick had a number of people who, again, changed their mind. They removed their names because they were basically told incorrect information in order to get their signature. And so they they withdrew withdrew their support. This summer around, Bill and I have talked to our neighbors. And, again, we do not feel it's necessary.

Those apartments have been there since 1963. And for sixty years, I've lived there. For sixty years, we've had no problems with the parking, except for the one lady who's determined to park in front of her apartment from hell or high water. She started the original petition because she wanted to park in front of her apartment instead of parking in the garages, and she's a 100 feet away from her garage lot, which remains empty every night. I also mentioned in my email to mister Klotnick that I have, on several occasions, gone out there in the evening at midnight or later and counted the number of cars on the street.

Then I walked down to the garage areas and counted the number of empty parking spaces in the garages, which most of the time exceeded the number of cars that were parked on the street. So these people have parking spaces as required by the city. You just chosen not to use them. So that's why you're we're here today to make sure that our word can be heard. And we obviously feel this petition should be denied. This is the second time this has been presented, and we feel it should be denied.

Thank you, mister Michael.

Okay. Thank you.

Okay. Anyone online? Okay. So I will, close the public comments at this time, and I'll bring the discussion back. Commissioner Kovalev?

Sure. I'll start. Thank you. Thank you for the report. Couple questions from staff.

If you wouldn't mind backing up a slide or two to your summary, please? My first question was I have a hypothetical question whether the application should even be before us if they haven't met the minimum requirements to even apply and essentially, so we accept the the application because you had mentioned they need 51% of a segment of the street of property owners that would support the request. And if we don't have that, then it's really not a valid application, number one. So that's my first question. So should we even be entertaining this request?

And then I'm curious, obviously, there's no proponent here speaking on behalf of the request. And I was just curious whether the property manager or property owner's position on this request. So those were my general questions, and quest questions for you.

So to answer your first question, you're correct. It does not meet the minimum requirements, which is why we had not brought it before. We were going to bring it, and then we did not. We started getting a lot of calls and pressure from this applicant. And so we said, well, this is the first one that has not met the minimum requirements, and we wanted to present it.

Now you can, as the commissioner, can say, we don't wanna hear it. Don't wanna make a motion because it hasn't met the requirements. We leave that up to you. We did it because they had already paid the fee, and we didn't think it was fair for it to just sit around even though it is not meeting the support, the 51% on the North Side and then combined 51% of both sides.

Thank you. Before I, you know, continue with the discussion, I'll just ask the question asked, you know, so what are the requirements for the permit to get a permit, early morning parking permit?

So if somebody were to apply for an early morning parking permit, they would have to first create an account with and, you know, I will turn it over to Julia because she deals with the permits all the time, actually.

Yeah. So for their account, they're required to, you know, provide proof of address. So that would be, like, you know, a utility bill or a lease agreement. And then for the permit itself, it would be their vehicle registration. It will have to match their address that they're applying for, a valid California license, which will also have to be to the address that they're applying for. And then that's pretty much it.

And as I understand, the apartment dwellers can have one permit per apartment. How many apartments are in that complex?

There are 62 units in that complex.

And how many parking do they have?

On-site from the best we could see since it was gated is a 124 spaces.

Okay.

So two spaces per unit. Okay. Okay. Have the requirements on the screen as well.

Okay. Another thing I just wanna mention that, I've gone through these eleven, twelve, emails, and the objections are pretty much very similar concerns about congestion, traffic, and some some of these emails don't really list a specific reason, but they are opposed to it. So I just wanted to get that into the records. I would now proceed, with commissioner Sherry.

Thank you. I have a couple questions. You you said that an applicant one applicant so can one application per apartment be filed or one for that whole address? Like, for can 66 people re request a overnight parking exemption?

Yes. Each unit apartment? Each unit so 62 unit, each of those units could apply for one. So they could potentially apply for 62 permits.

Okay. I think there would be probably something to make sure that the owner of the apartment or the manager knows so they can share that with the residents, know, pending whatever happens today. I'm pretty sympathetic to renters causes. I'm a renter. I think probably most people that have sat in this chair have been owners of single family households.

I think the city is not a renter friendly city. I think that particularly when it comes to parking, the city can be quite, restrictive and, punitive. So I'm sympathetic to the to the cause that there's clearly renters that want free parking, access to free parking. I think one of the reasons why they're not parking in those spots is I'm presuming, we don't have anybody here to share with us, but that that parking costs money. And they don't wanna add it to their rent, I would assume. Right? So they wanna park on the street because it's free. I don't know that. Nobody's here. The other issue is that we have our meetings at 04:00.

And, you know, typically, people renting are usually maybe working or might be working multiple jobs, might have kids. And they're picking up from school at 04:00 on a Thursday or Monday is probably not a great time for them. But they could have sent in emails, and they didn't. The other thing is I I I wanna ask if the if the property owner's on the South Side, do they have driveways or garages?

They have driveways and garages.

Okay. And I think from what I'm understanding from this, if we if we if we deny this, request, it would open up both sides of the street to the to the early morning parking permit program. Correct?

Correct.

They would just allow both sides to be available for that permit.

Well, so they would have to fill up the north side, but then it could potentially spill over to the south side. So it wouldn't it wouldn't be open to them to just park there. It would have to be the north side is full and there's no more parking, then they could park on the South Side. But they would have to fill up the north side. Have to

because the early morning parking permit program requires you to park on the side closest to your dwelling? Correct. Okay. So if if it was if it was full, they could park on the other side.

Correct. So if there are 25 cars filled up all the spaces, then they could start parking on the South Side.

Okay. And how much is the fee to apply for the early morning parking permit

program? $50 per year per permit.

Okay. So that's another cost too that renters probably don't wanna take on. But I I'm just assuming. Right? People don't wanna

take on cost. So if they got the early morning parking exemption, they would not have to pay anything, but it opens up spots too,

you said. Right? So there's 62 people, 66 apartments. So, I actually think it would probably be better for renters if we denied this request, and they could apply for the early morning parking permit program and get that and be able to park on that street. If there were more people, they could park on the other side of the street.

I'm also kind of curious, as commissioner Carvalho brought up, why it sort of came to us if it didn't meet the requirements. But I just wanted to share that, you know, I'm sort of one of the things I do care about and passionate about is sort of renters issues. And it would have been nice if any of the applicants were here so I could have, you know, sort of asked them some questions. But those are those are all the questions I have.

Thank you.

Vaishel Dileo?

I have nothing. I

just wanted to comment on that. It sounds very interesting. It's almost as though the solution will probably end up being worse than the problem and potentially are ending up if by by not doing anything or will potentially end up making things much worse for these neighbors on the South Side. And I don't think they've I'm not sure if they realize that or not. It's probably I think it's probably is in their best interests to have this restriction in place, but that's not what they're that's not what they're advocating for. So and I think it's probably best to get people what they want.

Thank you, commissioner Walker. So I you know, based on the comments of some of my colleagues here, since this really does not meet the, you know, the criteria, the support, I and and for the the other reason that there is an early morning parking permit available to address the situation, I, you know, I tend to concur with the city traffic engineer, I'd still like to ask a few questions. First of all, if an exemption was allowed, if we were to allow an exemption here, would that set a precedence and then we would have to handle other situations in Fullerton in a similar manner?

No. This would not be a precedent because we have other streets where we've removed the exemption.

So there are other

There's a lot of streets throughout the city. There's a whole map of streets where we've removed the early morning parking exemption.

Would the city prefer using the early morning parking permit program over removing the, you know, these parking restrictions? Would that be the policy?

The city does not have a preference either way. Either way. We have the programs for the residents. Mhmm. And and the program has helped the residents as well as it's helped staff. So it's it's a program that works.

I think it's a case by case basis. Case by case basis.

So is this a program that would continue on? I understand this is an experimental program or was It it

was a pilot program from 2024 for eighteen months, and we found it to be successful. So we brought it back to council. We didn't need to bring it back to I believe we brought it back to the CCC. We gave you an update saying that it had worked out well, and then we brought it to council, and they adopted it. So it's now a permanent program. It will continue on.

Okay. Okay. I think I have you know, there was a mention that the petition had changed. And and originally when 2022 when the people were presented the, you know, petition. Is that correct? That that's why the the support fell off because the wordings were changed?

I don't believe the wordings were changed. They may not have understood what the petition was for. And when they realized it, then they called in and they asked their name to be removed from the list, which we did. So then they no longer had the applicant no longer had the required minimum signatures and support. So that's why we never brought it forward.

Okay. So as I stated for the two reasons that there is not enough support for this resolution, and secondly that there is a program that exists, the early morning parking permit program that exists that the the apartment dwellers, you know, they they can, you know, use that. So for those two reasons, I'm not you know, I I concur with the city traffic engineer. If anybody is ready to make the motion or or do you go ahead, please.

With the petitioner that submitted this application, is it a requirement that it also be authorized by the property owner? Just curious if the property owner is in support of the petition.

The property owners have to sign it. It cannot be just a renter.

Okay. So was signed on behalf of the owner or the manager.

Correct. And we we verified the names based off of, recorded information that we have access to.

Thank you.

K. I'm ready to entertain a motion. Anyone wants to make a motion to approve or disapprove this?

Sure. Alright. I'll move the recommended action.

Okay. So I'll second. Commissioner so I have commissioner Kavaugh has moved to concur with the city traffic engineer's recommendation of denial for exemption from the early morning parking restriction on the North side of Evergreen Avenue between Ponderosa Avenue and two fifty feet east of Brea Boulevard and I have a second from commissioner Sherry. Would you please call the roll?

Chairman Suri?

Yes.

Vice chair De Leon?

Yes.

Commissioner Cavallo?

Yes.

Commissioner Sherry?

Yes. Motion passed.

Commissioner Walker?

I'm sorry. Yes. I'm just a little I'm really fast. That's too much coffee for you. Okay. Alright. Okay. So now the motion is passed. Next item is a staff report on nonagendized items.

So update is in we're going to cancel the April meeting due to staff not being here, so we cannot run the meeting, and we apologize for that. In May, we will come and have a presentation from our civil engineering principal who runs the CIP program, and he will go over all the roads that are gonna be repaved. Or if we're doing a full grind or if we're just gonna do a minor mill and overlay, and you'll be able to find out what streets are getting updated because I know that comes up from time to time. And he has all the information because he sets up which streets we do over the years. And that's that's it.

Nothing that went to council as of

right now. Council? Alright. Any comments from commissioners? I would start with you, mister Walker.

Yeah. I just wanted to say that I saw I'm not sure if it was Instagram or Facebook, but I saw I know last week was engineer week or maybe it was the week before. And the city of Florida had a video kinda showcasing many of our engineers, and I thought that was pretty awesome. I thought that was really great. Excited to see the team and the wonderful work that you all do. It does I know it some folks are not necessarily always aware. We're the people working behind the scenes getting it done, but I thought that was a great way to showcase, your staff and the the talent and the great work that they're doing.

I

concur with the congratulations. I think it's great that, that that the department is being recognized. I also wanna thank staff for all of the work that's happening around town. Sometimes a little inconvenient, I know in the long run, it's gonna be good for the citizens that are using the roads. In regards to the issue today, in regards to parking around some of these apartment complexes, these are issues that are gonna continuously come up because it's just it's just kind of the way it is.

As I mentioned several times before, we are an older city that didn't anticipate the number of cars that are in our and that are in in our city. The last thing I did mention, I I did contact, Michael about this, and I happened to go over there. We're gonna do a Love Fullerton project at Woodcrest, Park and as well as the school, and we met with a group of parents out there to talk about getting ready for the projects. One of the things they brought up to me was that that the parking area there is is being used by I think it's the apartment complex. And, generally, when there's street sweeping there, they're not able to sweep because the cars are all parked there.

So I happened to go over there just to see if there were signs that were posted, and there are signs posted there. So I think as we move forward with this particular project, I brought it up to Mike when I wanna let the commission know that I brought that up. And that's it. Thank you.

Thank you. All I would like to say is I'd like to thank my fellow commissioners and the staff for showing up for this special meeting on a short notice. Thank you all. Commissioner Sherrie.

Yeah. Couple things. The first one, I guess, is I'll reiterate my request that the city look into a wayfinding system and updating and standardizing for the different modes of transportation, potentially looking at, instead of putting in distance, time by different mode. So people that maybe come to the train station or in downtown, there's there should be a wayfinding, sort of a comprehensive wayfinding plan for people to get around the city, whether it's via car, whether it's bike. I know we've just adopted new rules for electric scooters and those types of things.

If you go along the Juanita Cook Trail, you'll see that we do have some signs. They're pretty small. And I think that, you know, not only could the trail benefit from an updated wayfinding system, but the rest of the city could try to connect us more, make sure that people know rules, and, you know, that it might take ten or fifteen minutes to get somewhere instead of what they might think in their head is thirty or forty five or something. So I know there might be grants available. I know there might be money available.

I just reiterate sort of my desire to have an updated wayfinding system throughout the city. The other thing that I wanted to bump was I did go to Fullerton PD to do the traffic to get judging in January, I think it was. And they had flagged that the vendor well, I had flagged that the vendor had made some mistakes as far as tagging people's license plates. But really, what what the two things that were incorrect with the vendor was doing was they were ticketing people on the Top Floor of the SoCo parking structure, and they were gonna look into that. And a lot of people were getting tickets, and some were appealing them.

But I I feel bad for the people that maybe just paid it and thought they got a ticket because that's open for people to park there for seventy two hours utilizing Metrolink. And the other was that the parking vendor or the citation vendors picture quality has diminished so much that I had to just kind of allow most appeals because I couldn't see people's cars or license plates. So that's something to check-in with FPD and and maybe look at to make sure that folks that are getting citations are getting citations properly and that we can see them or the FPD can see them clearly those images. And that's it.

Commissioner Kerbal?

Thanks. Just one quick question. Just coming off, commissioner Sherry's comment, regarding enforcement based on this, exemption we were just talking about. The requirement that they park adjacent to or closest to their unit or within, in worst case scenario, within 200 feet of their unit. Is that something that the same enforcement vendor would be enforcing in the middle of the night?

Yes. So as soon as a permit would be issued, they would know that this car needs to be located near their residence.

If

they're not, they would get a ticket.

Right. So the the person getting the permit would understand that, but I'm just wondering in terms of enforcement, is it the same vendor that does all this enforcement?

I I believe so. Okay. So But we also let people know when they apply for the permit that parking is not guaranteed. Just because you have a permit, if it's not available, you can't just park anywhere. This isn't just park anywhere you want in the city.

Alright. Thank you. Go ahead.

Okay. Alright. I think that's about all we had to discuss today. So thank you all, and you all have a wonderful rest of the evening. The meeting is adjourned.

Thank you.