Parks, Recreation, and Arts Commission - Regular Meeting

Monday, May 18, 2026

About this meeting

Government Body
Parks, Recreation, and Arts Commission
Meeting Type
Parks, Recreation, And Arts Commission
Location
Fresno, CA
Meeting Date
May 18, 2026

Transcript

966 sections (from 1,070 segments)

12:46Speaker 1

Good evening. It is 05:34. I now call this meeting of the parks recreation and arts commission to order. City clerk would you please conduct roll call?

13:01Speaker 2

Yes. Commissioner Baraza?

13:07Speaker 2

Thank you. Commissioner Calia? Here. Thank you. Commissioner Dolan?

13:14 – 13:26Speaker 2

Thank you. Commissioner Duran is absent. Commissioner Kucharski is also absent. Commissioner Miller? Here. Vice Chair Ward?

13:27Speaker 2

And Chair McCoy?

13:29Speaker 1

Present. We have a quorum. Thank you. Do I have a motion to excuse the absence of commissioner Duran?

13:39 – 14:08Speaker 1

Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Dolan. Thank you, Commissioner Miller. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed say no. Do I have a motion to excuse the absence of commissioner Kercharski? I move. You commissioner Miller and commissioner Collier. All in favor say aye.

14:08 – 14:45Speaker 1

Aye. All opposed say no. We will now move we will now begin with the pledge of allegiance. Will everyone please stand. Thank you. City Clerk, are there any changes or proposed changes to tonight's agenda?

14:46 – 15:17Speaker 2

Yes, we have one change. The attachment on item 12A ID twenty six dash seven zero eight. It is the attachment for the EAAC draft grant guidelines cycle three. Should also be attached to 11A ID twenty six-seven zero six regarding discussion review of cycle three. And that is all the changes.

15:17Speaker 1

Thank you. Is there a motion to approve the agenda as amended?

15:23 – 15:46Speaker 1

Thank you, Commissioner Dolan. Is there a second? Second. I think I heard you first. Thank you, Commissioner Miller. All in favor say aye. All opposed say no. This item is approved. We will now move on to our minutes. Are there any changes to the minutes from 04/20/2026?

15:47Speaker 2

There are no changes.

15:49Speaker 1

Thank you. Is there a motion to approve the minutes? So move. Thank you commissioner Collier is there a second?

16:00Speaker 1

Oh, on it today.

16:02Speaker 5

I think Scott Miller got that one.

16:03 – 16:17Speaker 1

Thank you Commissioner Miller. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed say no. We will now move on to members and comments. Commissioner Barraza, do you have any comments or reports you would like to make to the submission?

16:17 – 17:00Speaker 3

Madam Chair, I just wanted to thank staff for all the hard work that has gone into seeking comments from the public. There was a meeting at the Mosqueda Center in Southeast Fresno that I really appreciate because we had a lot of attendance. And in my opinion, that's very positive because it's about seeking the input from the community. And then what we will see today is that some of that information is being incorporated into the draft guidelines that we'll be discussing. So, all of that is very positive. So, I wanted to acknowledge the hard work of Park staff in this effort. Thank you, Madam Chair.

17:00Speaker 1

Thank you. Commissioner Miller? Thank you. Vice Chair Ward?

17:07 – 17:52Speaker 4

Yeah, I wanted to thank Jasmine Moore for inviting the members of this commission to attend the Flourish culminating event that was her Measure P funded project. And I was able to stop by for part of it with my daughter. It was great. There was live performances and sculpture and various types of visual artwork as well. So thank you for that. And then also, wanted to commend the community tennis at Roding Park. I attended that with my daughter, and they had over 200 people at their first ever beginner tennis day, and a lot of people who had never picked up a racket before. They had everything available for free. It was really well organized. Truly a lovely event.

17:52Speaker 4

Thank you. Commissioner Collier?

17:56 – 18:34Speaker 6

This will probably come up a little later on, but I just wanted to bring out two points. One is the amount of money that these groups are going to be getting and why we have to even go through this. The grant people won their grants fair and square. One group had to pay $1,500 to have a grant writer. And many other groups paid a lot more should have to go through this again.

18:34 – 18:50Speaker 6

I'm just curious of the reasoning behind it. I got some information from the paperwork, but it just doesn't seem fair that we have to apply again when we've already won. That's all I have to say.

18:51Speaker 1

Thank you. Commissioner Dolan.

18:55Speaker 5

No comments.

18:57 – 19:25Speaker 1

Thank you. I would like to thank the community who showed up this weekend for the Doctor. Struble event. It was a very, very successful event. Vice Chair Ward came out in support and he talked to us about community building, power solutions, and how we need to work together as a community, as a city, to really move policy and bring investments and resources in our community.

19:26 – 20:02Speaker 1

And he was well received, and now community is asking for him to come back out. So I guess I have some fundraising to do to bring this amazing young man back out to Fresno to share his gift with all of us and help us with our advocacy work. So I'm very, very excited. I don't say this too much, but I'm very proud of myself for being able to pull this off. I don't. So now we will move on to subcommittee reports. Does the EAAC subcommittee have an update and would like to provide to the commission?

20:06 – 20:31Speaker 4

We wanted to thank the staff and all the community members who have been coming out to our many meetings for their engagement and participation. I feel like Chair McCoy and I have been helping move the process forward and make things better. We have items coming up on the agenda tonight on those topics. Thank you.

20:32Speaker 1

We will now move on to city administration and park staff reports and comments. Does anyone from the administration have any reports or comments for the commission?

20:43Speaker 7

Good evening. Yes. Just wanted to let everyone know that the mayor rolled out the FY twenty seven budget last week and the budget hearings will officially start on June 8 here in Council Chambers.

20:55Speaker 1

Thank you. Does anyone from the park staff have any reports or comments for the commission?

21:02Speaker 8

Good evening chair. No reports tonight. Thank you.

21:04 – 21:30Speaker 1

Thank you. I forgot to mention that we may need a special meeting for the budget presentation on the park since the mayor has rolled out his budget. And if the EAAC grant guidelines are not adopted tonight, we will have a special meeting for that as well. So I just want to be very transparent with the public and make that announcement. We will now move on to unscheduled communication.

21:30 – 22:10Speaker 1

So I do have cards up here. And I want to make sure that the unscheduled communication doesn't have anything to do with the hearings on the agenda. If you would like to make a comment on the hearings, please reserve your cards and I will call you up when that item is called. You will have up to three minutes. As a reminder, again, is just a scheduled communication so you could comment on any workshop that we may have. The the script was kinda all over the place today. But I will go ahead and call up Samuel Padilla, please.

22:17 – 23:05Speaker 9

Everybody for My name is Sam Padilla with Consortium Bio, a nonprofit. Just want to update you on where we are with our nonprofit. Since PRAC's last meeting, Consortium Bioeth to the sport of wrestling has continued building youth excellence through social entrepreneurship by expanding community engagement, youth development, programming, financial literacy education, and wrestling based outreach throughout the Fresno and Central Valley, while creating greater visibility and opportunities for the sport of wrestling. Consortium Bai participated in Tyler Maxwell's second annual Spring Fest event held at Ironside Park in District 4. Organization members engaged directly with local families, youth, community leaders, while promoting positive youth recreation, wellness initiatives, and the sport of wrestling throughout the community.

23:05 – 23:45Speaker 9

As part of the event, our team produced a fifteen minute community feature video that aired through CMEK. The video is currently available platforms as well as YouTube. ConsortiumBai also completed a financial education course at the Women's of Entrepreneurs Center in the partnership with Craig School of Business under the guidance of Professor Parr and several CPA students. The course provided valuable foundational education related to nonprofit financial structure, budgeting, sustainability, and organizational planning. As part of the program, the organization also created a short video documenting the education experience, which is currently being shared through social media platforms, including YouTube and Instagram.

23:46 – 24:20Speaker 9

Additionally, Consortium Bio attended Central Valley Higher Education Consortium event, where members connected through the higher education representatives, elected state leaders, national local community organizations that provided valuable resources and networking opportunities. The event highlighted important discussions surrounding the future of education pathways, artificial growth opportunities that will continue supporting the foundation and the expansion of the organization. Wrestling our development activities, Cal USA Wrestling Association hosted the

24:21Speaker 1

No, you have one minute.

24:23 – 25:08Speaker 9

Hosted the Association Dual Championship Tournament at Saland Arena, where 16 associations from across California came here to Saland Arena to wrestle. In Central Valley, wrestlers must first compete in local qualifying dual tournaments to earn plays. So they had a tournament on top of that to qualify to compete at Saland Arena. And then we just hosted a free wrestling clinic at Justin Garza High School, a free wrestling clinic collaboration with Lamar City College, Coach Damani Buckley from the Valley Wrestling Club, and Sergeant Ruben Romero from the Army National Guard. The clinic focused on youth athletic development, mental wellness, mentorship, leadership, and community resource awareness through the platform of wrestling and athletics.

25:08 – 25:20Speaker 9

Approximately 100 community members have participated in this event with families, athletes traveling from the communities throughout the Central Valley, including Fresno, Madera, and Delano. The event also included

25:21 – 25:44Speaker 1

Thank you. Yes. Next speaker, Julie Hahn.

25:59 – 26:26Speaker 10

Testing, testing. Testing. Good evening. My name is Julie Hahn, and I have served as the treasurer of the Youth Orchestras of Fresno for the past ten years. For seventy six years, the youth orchestras have remained a vital part of Fresno's art community.

26:27 – 26:59Speaker 10

Through economic downturns and changing times, we have persevered because we believe every child in Fresno deserves access to music education. Our mission is rooted in equity and inclusivity. We accept all students regardless of their financial circumstances. We provide scholarships and financial aid every year, and we employ local music coaches, many of whom were once students in our program and returned to mentor the next generation. While we may be an established organization, we are not financially secure.

26:59 – 27:36Speaker 10

We do not qualify for professional orchestra grants, and we do not hire professional grant writers. We balance our checkbook every month to make sure we have enough to pay our expenses. Like many nonprofits, we rely on annual donations and grants simply to survive. To qualify for measure p funding, we submitted all required financial documents, met all the deadlines, and attended all the meetings. In cycle one, measure one measure p funding allowed us to expand outreach, strengthen partnerships, increase marketing, and offer free events to the public.

27:36 – 28:20Speaker 10

That investment increased student enrollment and audience attendance and brought greater stability to our organization. In cycle two, we experienced a significant reduction in funding and had to reduce free programming, coaching staff, and marketing efforts. With the uncertainty of cycle three, we face even deeper cuts. Without system sustainable funding, we may be forced to raise tuition, reduce scholarships, hire fewer coaches, scale back outreach, and potentially close programs. We support emerging organizations and believe Fresno needs both new voices as well as programs like ours, long term educational systems serving Fresno's children year after year.

28:20 – 28:34Speaker 10

We respectfully ask you to reconsider the proposed cap for established organizations, so we can continue providing accessibility and opportunity for the next generation of Fresno's youth. Thank you for your time.

28:35 – 29:06Speaker 1

Thank you. Just a reminder to everyone in attendance and everyone online, if you would like to make a comment regarding the hearings, you can make a comment at that time. If you would like to make a comment in regards to cycle two, you can make a comment on item 12 b. That would be the time to make that comment. This portion is just for unscheduled communication.

29:06 – 29:27Speaker 1

So I just wanted to remind everyone. So I do have other, cards for youth orchestra, so I will call those at the appropriate time. I just didn't wanna stop her in her comments. Thank you. Do we have anyone else for unscheduled communication in the audience? Do we have anyone online?

29:27 – 29:38Speaker 2

Yes. I have Cindy P. You have three minutes for unscheduled communication.

29:41Speaker 11

Hi. Can you hear me?

29:46 – 30:15Speaker 11

My name is Cindy Pembino. I live in D1. I am with Fresno Church, a ministry coordinator for Christ Helping Hands. And we have been renting tables over at Rodion Park for our monthly outreach for close to one decade, close to ten years now. And I'm very disappointed that there there was a structural fire on the south end of the arch of the Pine Grove Shelter there.

30:16 – 31:00Speaker 11

Now that shelter serves many purposes for many in our community, not just our ministry. There's family reunions there. There's birthday parties. There's people that love to go to the nearby little park that was upgraded, which is beautiful. And I just cannot fathom why I've been told for almost two years, and we haven't had it will be the second summer it's been closed. Why this is taking so long? I have been in contact with my council member and mister Aguirre. I have not got a feedback yet from mister Aguirre. I sent him a email last week. And and Miguel has told me that it's in the works, and it's in the works, and it's in the works.

31:00 – 31:40Speaker 11

And I don't know if he has any control over it or not, but I'm coming to you because it's now summer, and that shelter provides a lot of summer for our outreach and in the winter too. So I'd like to know if I can get a update or we can get that open, not just, like I said, for our church ministry, that's once a month out there for the community, but also for the families that go and for the many other uses that that shelter at Pine Grove Shelter has provided for many, many, many years. So I I thank you for your time, and I'd appreciate some feedback if possible. Thank you.

31:43Speaker 2

Thank you. We have Nikki Real. You have three minutes.

31:58Speaker 12

Okay. Could you hear me now?

32:01 – 32:30Speaker 12

Okay. I wanted to say let me see. It was maybe the last meeting or the meeting before, but I believe that it was whoever was in control of the mic that I I'm kinda out of breath. I'm kinda running because I'm trying to make it in person. But there was somebody who had made public comment and was cut off, and I still have an issue with that.

32:30 – 33:07Speaker 12

And I think it's maybe something that's there to today in the front. But I'd like to bring it up again to say, I don't know what under what authority she felt like she could just do that because public comment, even though people might not wanna hear people what they have to say or they have places to go. If you wanna serve on the board or if you wanna work in this arena, you need to respect people's rights and their ability to participate. So, yeah, that's all I'll say for now.

33:13Speaker 2

There's no one else on line. Thank you. You.

33:16Speaker 1

You. Johannes? We're on schedule communication. Thank you.

33:31 – 33:49Speaker 13

Thank you, board chair. My name is Johannes Reinders. I have a background in public engagement, equity, tribal affairs, and just general accessibility to make sure publics can engage. Small point of order, want to say during unscheduled comment. This is, I believe, the third meeting, including subcommittee meetings.

33:49 – 34:25Speaker 13

third meeting where I have seen the agenda specifically not published in hard copy. Just something that I reflect on as people attempt to give public comment and attempt to give it correctly under your decorum rules, where they're confused about which item they're supposed to comment on, how many items there are to comment on, what item number to write down. This may be, again, for proper accessibility and for proper engagement of yourselves to your constituents. It's something you may want to look into. As well, there's a handful of documents up there which appear to be duplicates, but are not.

34:25 – 34:44Speaker 13

And so, an agenda that clearly and accessibly outlines those items would be good for your public to engage with you correctly. And something that, as we go through this engagement process, this feedback process, is just something worth remarking on how you engage with the public. Not in perfection, but in advocacy and in intention. Thank you kindly.

34:44 – 35:26Speaker 1

Thank you. I'll make sure, because we did have copies of the agenda out. We must have ran out because you guys are we we have a full house. So we do have copies of we did have copies of the agenda out. So I'll make sure that we have enough and that they are a little bit more friendly that you will be able to follow along. I do apologize for that. You don't have anyone else? Okay. I will now close for I think I might have mixed you up over here. I'm sorry.

35:32Speaker 1

Let me find them. Camilla, I have yours. You can come up for unscheduled communication, and I'll find the last two.

35:47 – 36:16Speaker 15

Thank you. Thank you, Board, for allowing me this time to speak. And I just wanted to ask, the Parks and Measure P offer to promote tennis at Roading Park. We are a member of the United States Tennis Association trying to promote community public tennis. USTA is promoting community tennis with a movement of calling it Love a Park, which we used to have at the park, Adopt a Park, Bringing adults and youth to the sport of tennis at the public parks.

36:16 – 36:46Speaker 15

Rhodium Park would like to know how we can promote and build this tennis program and relationships with the parks and rec. We've tried setting up meetings, but we have not been successful at this point. So, we just want to find out how we can bring the community tennis, as Laura Ward saw last Saturday at the park. We've got a lot of people that are out there playing, old, young, everyone of all ages out there to play. We'd like to know what do we need to do to help promote this public tennis at Rhodium Park? Thank you.

36:46Speaker 1

Thank you. Adam.

36:57 – 37:27Speaker 16

Good evening, Commission. My name is Adam Balakian. I just want to take a few moments to talk about an event we had on May 9 at Rhoding Park Tennis Courts, Central Valley Beginner Tennis Day, where we had over a 120 people come out who are brand new to the sport of tennis. We had over 60 volunteers who volunteered their time for the sport. We had over 11 head coaches in different tennis organizations, including including various schools, coaches, and, we also had two commissioners there.

37:27 – 38:01Speaker 16

We had, Laura Ward and McKay Duran. So, just wanted to bring that up, let everybody know there's a lot of great tennis happening completely for free out at Roading Park. These are a lot of people with a lot of experience who are volunteering their time because they love the sport and they wanna teach people the sport. We had all the equipment available for free. We had all the balls. We had all the coaching. We had snacks for free as well. So, it was a really great public event and we don't stop there because we do community tennis at Rhodan Park on Tuesdays and Sundays from 06:30 to 09:30. It's completely free. We have all the equipment.

38:01 – 38:31Speaker 16

It's all ages, all skill levels. The courts have been absolutely packed recently, which has been absolutely amazing to see. And just for procedural, I wanna see if I can get the thank you letter from the Central Valley Beginner Tennis Day into the agenda as one of the items. On top of that, I wanted to say that sorry about that people really enjoyed the courts. They really thought they were very well maintained and that all the money that had gone to them from Measure P funds was well put together and well used.

38:32 – 39:06Speaker 16

I do want to bring up one other thing, that is regarding a tennis tournament that has, for the last forty years, been held at Roating Park. It's a forty year tradition, which I'm kind of going to put out there saying that it was destroyed for really no reason at all. And the reason I'm saying that is we were, the Roading Park Tennis Club board was informed last year that in order to host this tournament which they've been hosting, practically for decades, they would have to pay a daily fee of $1,500 a day. So, in total, $2,800 for two days. Well, this is a nonprofit that's a volunteer board.

39:06 – 39:43Speaker 16

Those sort of funds are not available. But, on top of that, we would have to, the board would have to charge the public so much money to participate in this open tournament that anybody could be a part of that it would be unconscionable to charge people a $100,150 dollars to, just break even on this. On top of that, the funds from the tournament have usually been donated to the honor guard as a way of giving back to the community. So, we did send an email to the parks department. We, got back a generic response saying that they could do a 15% discount, but 15% off $2,800 is still gonna result in having to charge the public an unconscionable amount to participate.

39:43 – 40:00Speaker 16

On top of that, the parks department, as far as we're aware, is not offering any tennis programming to the public. So, not only is this tournament being, basically removed for no reason, on top of that, there's not really any alternatives that's being offered by the parks to get people out playing tennis, and coached, and in tournaments.

40:05 – 40:19Speaker 5

Chair, can I just ask you a quick question? Sorry, I wanted to ask Commissioner. Director Aguirre, can you confirm that Parks Department does not provide any tennis programming?

40:19Speaker 8

That's correct. We do not have any tennis programming at Okay. This

40:25Speaker 1

Next speaker, Dominique.

40:37 – 40:51Speaker 17

Test, test, alright. Thank you Board members for your time. My name is Dominic Gardenaz. I'm a community member of the Parkside Roading Park Tennis Club. I wanted to follow-up more on just the condition of the area around the Quartzsite Roading Park.

40:52 – 41:26Speaker 17

For example, we are having a large issue with the maintenance of the bathrooms nearest to the park. There's been multiple instances with video proof, picture proof if necessary, that these parks are, or that these restaurants are in disarray. You know, there's a lot of unhoused activity there that makes it very unsafe for a lot of the community members to feel safe to go use the facilities there if they're accessible, if they're open, and if they're maintained. Following with that as well, we are having an issue with the payment for parking. Again, like Adam mentioned, we have a lot of community members in this club, and it is a growing club.

41:26 – 42:04Speaker 17

So having community members find out when they get there that they do have to pay for parking, some of them not coming expecting that, is it becoming a little bit of an issue, especially after hours causing some members to go park outside around the surrounding areas. Because of that, a lot of members have said they don't feel comfortable coming anymore because of the financial aspect as well as the safety aspect. So, I'm just hoping we could get a little bit more attention towards those areas, both in terms of parking and in terms of maintenance of the facilities there. Where again, this is a free community organization. Again, like Adam mentioned, free we do supplies.

42:04 – 42:22Speaker 17

We have everything provided. Again, like we've told everybody when we go, you just gotta bring yourself. You don't gotta bring Iraqi. You don't gotta bring balls. You don't gotta bring a coach. You don't have to expect a coach to be there because this is ran, community facilitated. So, just would like to put a little bit more attention to those things. Thank you for your time.

42:23Speaker 18

I'm with Brody Parkinson's Club also. I should have a card up there.

42:31Speaker 18

Doctor. William Contente.

42:33Speaker 18

C O N T E N T E.

42:35Speaker 1

Thank you. And I apologize for mixing them up.

42:39Speaker 18

No problem, this is my first time here so I wasn't sure which box to check.

42:44Speaker 1

Go ahead, yeah.

42:45 – 43:27Speaker 18

Go ahead, okay, thank you. Pleasure to be here, thank you. I am a paying member of Roading Park Tennis Club. I've played since I was in sixth grade, and Coach Camilla was my coach. So I've played at Roading Park many, many, many years and I believe I've learned a lot in the last twenty four hours about Measure P and the funding. We play there a lot. Your courts are fantastic. So the money that's been issued for court surfaces, fantastic. The new lights that are there, fantastic. The security the safety my girlfriend captains a team that just went up to Northern California section I was on national team last year but that's a whole another story a lot of women don't feel safe at night There's there are unhoused.

43:27 – 44:11Speaker 18

There are animals that come along the court. There are a lot of noises, a lot of sirens, a lot of everything. You if there is a opening or a spot for a volunteer person from Roading Park Tennis Club, we would be happy to advise your Measure P allocation. We'd be happy to give input. You need somebody that's there in the club playing on a competitive team, playing at night till nine, 10:00 to give you input as to what's going on there. You have pickleball courts being built. You have one bathroom poorly lit with a lot of unhoused people in there at night. You need somebody telling you that it's not safe. We have to send people in groups. People don't want to come down there at night.

44:11 – 44:25Speaker 18

Your facilities are wonderful. You're allocating a lot of money for pickleball courts and a sport court. You have one bathroom, and you now have picnic tables over on the side. You don't have the parking. You don't have the bathroom facilities.

44:25 – 45:32Speaker 18

You don't have the security safety for the number of people that are gonna come down there to play pickleball, tennis, and if we can get a tennis tournament that doesn't cost a fortune for people to play, that would be fantastic. So please, my my message is to include a either a board member from the roading park tennis club that functions very very well or a community person like me that plays there on competitive teams I'm not on the board but I am a paying member there you could charge one fee each year for parking that would cover all the tennis team members that are going to be playing there often instead of having to pay each time we go you could have another bathroom you could also fence off the tennis pickleball area and heaven forbid you make it a profitable enterprise by having more events and weaken things as a almost like a private tennis club that's a whole another thing but safety security parking, bathrooms for the number of people that will be there. So you've done a great job with the allocation but please include somebody that's playing there for your future advisement.

45:33Speaker 18

Thank you very much.

45:34 – 46:01Speaker 1

Thank you. I will now close unscheduled communication, and we will now move on to discussion items. ID number 26Dash706, discussion review of the cycle three draft grant guidelines and public comments. Will someone from the parks department please begin the presentation? They're different?

46:09 – 46:25Speaker 1

Oh, I went straight to discussion items. I forgot the workshop. My bad. 10AID26Dash648. Workshop update on expanding access to arts and culture grant program. I'm trying to get to the guidelines so we can get this public feedback.

46:43 – 47:40Speaker 19

Good evening commissioners sarah gaitan program manager with the parks department and going to be giving an update on the expanded access to arts and culture grant program gonna ask please hold your questions to the end of the presentation to make sure that we hear all of the information first. So, general updates. Staff have been working on responding to Cycle two grantees and preparing the grant guidelines for cycle three in partnership with the expanded access to arts and culture subcommittee. The parks department has sought a second opinion and legal has reaffirmed that the cycle three notice of funding opportunity must be released by 06/30/2026. For Cycle two grantees, two technical assistance meetings were held for grantees that have not received any funding.

47:41 – 48:03Speaker 19

On 05/08/2026, there was meeting number one here in chambers at City Hall. And on May 13, we had meeting number two at Ted C. Wills. Both meetings were held in person with a virtual option. A total of 14 grantees attended in person and 31 attended virtually.

48:04 – 48:46Speaker 19

The meeting purpose was to provide an orientation to grantees to enable the contracting process. Grantees and fiscal sponsors were all invited via email. Here you see a graphic that was created to help Cycle Two grantees navigate the process to get them set up in the city's system. The graphic identifies 10 necessary steps to go through, to go through the entire grantee journey. During the meetings, we learned that grantees are in various stages of their process.

48:47 – 49:45Speaker 19

In some cases, projects have started or are nearing 100% completion without receiving any grant funding. Staff have begun scheduling one on one meetings to ensure the correct contract template is used based on the unique situation at of each of the organizations the city's City Attorney's Office and RISC have been consulted to advise on adjustments to agreements based on the variety of situations that we have been coming across. For grantees that receive 90% of funding but still need 10% funding, pending legal, we have a technical assistance meeting that will be held in the next few weeks. We're tentatively tracking with the last week of May. Please save all of your receipts, invoices, and backup financial documentation for your expenses.

49:45 – 50:18Speaker 19

And, please continue to track all of the data outlined in your original grant agreement with Fresno Arts Council for reporting purposes. And, this could be everything that was included in the reporting, which is the number of youth, adults, seniors served, etcetera. Cycle three is still underway. To this date, we've had several meetings with robust community engagement. The first community listening session was on April 22 at TEDSY Wills.

50:18 – 51:04Speaker 19

We had session number two on the twenty fifth at Maxiel Parks. We had session number three at Musqueda on April 28. And April 29, we had the subcommittee meeting, which was the second one, where we reviewed the ARC Handbook. On April 30, we closed the guideline comment portal that was online where we collected all of the comments for the Cycle Three Draft Guidelines. And on May 8, the Handbook Comment Portal was closed for that particular item as well.

51:04 – 52:07Speaker 19

On May 13, Guidelines Subcommittee Meeting Number three was had, and we reviewed the guidelines and the handbook and with incorporated public comments page by page. Today, on May 18, we will review with PRAC the guidelines once again with the opportunity to provide feedback and any recommendations. And as Chair mentioned, tonight we will also be scheduling a special meeting with the final opportunity to recommend the guidelines in order to meet that June 30 deadline. Added resources for agendas, minutes, attachments, and any recordings from the meetings, you can visit our Legistar website, which is linked there. Or you could also visit our Expanded Access to Arts and Culture website, is www.fresno.goveaac.

52:13 – 52:49Speaker 19

In the next thirty days, we plan on beginning the interviews for new staff. We plan on completing a technical assistance for cycle two grantees to enable the contracting process. We will be reviewing Cycle III draft guidelines and associated materials with PRAC today, once again. We plan on having the Special Meeting Request for the week of May 25 to finalize the Cycle III guidelines. We will continue to build on a grant portal site for the Cycle III grantees.

52:51 – 53:25Speaker 19

We will continue to build out the Expanded Access to Arts and Culture website that is on our page. And, we plan to finalize the Cycle III grant guidelines to bring before sitting council on June 18. For ongoing updates, the City of Fresno will provide updates during monthly PRAC meetings. PRAC meetings are held every third Monday of the month. And, we have listed here the next few meetings that will be coming up in the next few months.

53:25 – 53:51Speaker 19

We have our phone number, which is the (559) 621-2999. We have our email, expandedartsfresno dot gov. And then we also have the website there where you can see recordings, meetings, and any documents that we need the public to see. This will conclude the presentation, and I will open it up for any questions that anybody may have on this.

53:51 – 54:06Speaker 1

Thank you. Thank you, Sarah, for that presentation. Does any commissioners have any questions on this presentation? Commissioner Barraza, no. Commissioner Miller? Vice Chair Ward?

54:07 – 54:33Speaker 4

For your technical assistance meetings that you had, I think with the cycle two grantees, were they recorded? Are those being posted? Do you think that you've been able to engage with all of the cycle two grantees? Or how would they be able to access that information? I just feel like there's been not enough communication and then an overwhelming amount of communication. So I think having something that people can go back to revisit at their own pace is helpful.

54:34 – 54:50Speaker 19

Yes. So, we did record both of those meetings, and they are posted on the website under the meetings tab. Anybody can go back and listen to them. Together, we had a little over 30 attendees for the TA meetings.

54:52Speaker 1

Was it on the slide?

55:01 – 55:18Speaker 19

We had a total of 45 attendees for the TA assistance. We are consolidating all of the attendees to make sure that we got all of the organizations that were supposed to be included in that. If so, will be. If not, we will be reaching out to them soon.

55:20Speaker 1

Commissioner Collier.

55:24 – 56:03Speaker 6

Just want to thank you for providing all these opportunities for feedback and inclusion. That's a wonderful thing. I talked to Mr. Aguirre one time when we were talking about hiring a cultural arts director for the city of Fresno, and we had one, Mabel Selland. And if when you all go outside, there's a beautiful built painting out there that was done during her tenure and working with the city. So there is so much potential out there and I thank you for your efforts.

56:04Speaker 1

Thank you. Commissioner Kerchorski? You good? Commissioner Dolan? Sarah, I have a couple of questions.

56:16 – 56:28Speaker 1

To complete the technical assistance for cycle two grantees, you guys are going to do a meeting tentatively at the end of May. How many meetings are scheduled for that?

56:29 – 56:40Speaker 19

We have one right now, but we are still looking into how to better communicate with everybody. So we're still working on what that's going to look like.

56:40 – 57:33Speaker 1

Yeah, I don't think one meeting would be sufficient enough. I think there's gonna have to be some type of schedule built out to be able to assist all grantees from cycle two to make sure that all funding has been paid out and that we can all be on the same page when it comes to timeline and reporting and how things are gonna be wrapping up in cycle two so we can solely concentrate on cycle three. Yeah. With cycle two still hanging in limbo, it's a confusion sometimes and it's like how can we begin cycle three when we haven't even healed what happened in cycle two. So I think having more than just one meeting schedule will kind of bring some closure to that and be able to answer some questions that cycle two grantees may have.

57:34 – 57:51Speaker 1

Because I'm still getting phone calls from people who haven't received any funding or who have not received the second portion of their funding. I want to know, do they still do reporting, right, Because of what's going on with cycle two. I think that we need to be very, very transparent when it comes to this process.

57:51Speaker 19

That is why we are going back to the drawing board as we speak.

57:57 – 58:27Speaker 1

And as far as the build out of the grant portal site for cycle three, is there any I I haven't excuse me for saying this, but I haven't visited that site physically, and I wouldn't have access to it. But from some of the comments that we heard that it's not very friendly used. So how are we making it to where it's a more friendlier website and it's easy to upload documents and things like that.

58:27 – 58:43Speaker 19

Right. So, in previous years, Fresno Arts Council was using Submittable. And that is the portal that we have been receiving some of the feedback from. We are building out our own through our ISD department. And we are incorporating that feedback into how we're building this out.

58:44 – 59:16Speaker 19

It's still not complete. So, we are still in the testing phase and addition and all that. It will be our hopes is that it will be an all encompassing portal where application documents reporting everything will be submitted in one area and each organization can keep track of their own files as they go and we're trying to make it simple as possible and user friendly. So we're still working on it, but once we have a test ready to be viewed, we can bring it back and get some feedback.

59:16 – 59:45Speaker 1

And the next question, I have been hearing from community when they receive an when they send an email in regards to cycle two or cycle three, they're getting a generic response and not really getting a response to their questions. Do we have someone who's solely responsible to responding to those emails, or is it just spread around with staff who's assigned to the measure P port?

59:45 – 1:00:02Speaker 19

We have a dedicated team for that email. We are trying to respond the best way possible until we have concrete answers for them. But we are hoping that with the technical assistance that are coming up, we will be able to get everybody's questions out of the way through that.

1:00:03Speaker 1

Okay. Those are all my questions. Do we have any other questions in regards to this presentation?

1:00:08 – 1:00:19Speaker 5

Chair McCoy, can I follow just Yes? Sarah, thank you for your presentation. When is the scheduled completion of the website you're having done in house?

1:00:19Speaker 19

The portal? We don't have a set date yet. But, we are hoping to have it before the end of June.

1:00:26Speaker 5

Before the end of Okay. Thank you.

1:00:28Speaker 1

Thank you, Sarah.

1:00:29Speaker 12

You're welcome.

1:00:34 – 1:00:51Speaker 1

Now we will move on to discussion items. ID number 26Dash706, discussion review of the cycle three draft guidelines and public comments. Will someone from the Parks Department please begin the presentation? Hi, Shelby.

1:00:51 – 1:01:20Speaker 7

Hi. Just give me one minute here. So I do want to note that I'm going to go through the presentation, and then in the back there are copies of every iteration so far of the draft guidelines. We're on version three now. So, after I get through the presentation, we're going to do my famous walk through of each section of the guidelines.

1:01:20 – 1:01:40Speaker 7

I may pull up a chair at some point. And, so, I'll direct you to that copy following this presentation. And, Shelby McNabb, Assistant Director of Parks Department, should have started there. Alright. So, this presentation is gonna provide an overview of the public comments that we received in a section by section review of the proposed draft guidelines.

1:01:40 – 1:02:29Speaker 7

Just as a reminder, feedback is essential to the update process, and comments and questions are welcome on all aspects of those guidelines. So, just to give you an idea, I know we've been on a tight timeline, but we really have prioritized a collaborative process, working with PRAC subcommittee, as well as the community. So, just to give you a rundown of how we got to where we are today, staff provided a discussion draft to the PRAC subcommittee on April 15. Comments were taken on each page, one by one, from the PRAC subcommittee, and then there was a public comment period where we received numerous comments that evening, as well. We also opened the portal that Sarah had mentioned so that online comments could be submitted, and then staff got to work incorporating those comments into the draft.

1:02:30 – 1:03:10Speaker 7

A revised version, incorporated each of those comments, was presented to the PRAC subcommittee last week on May 13. And, again, we went through page by page. And so, tonight, we have the third iteration in front of you. Just to give you a sense of the public comments that we received, there were three meetings. There were 83 total attendees. There were four zero one total comments at those meetings. Each meeting was recorded, and so we had a staff member go table to table. There were different topics that were reviewed at each table. We got 110 comments on the grant guidelines at those meetings. We got 80 on the fiscal sponsorship and eligibility.

1:03:11 – 1:03:50Speaker 7

Open feedback, we had a table just to share any comments that folks had in mind. There were 96 comments there. And then, the application review and scoring process received 115 comments. So, that combined with the online survey, the three listening sessions, and the two subcommittee meetings, we had a total of seven sixty comments received on the different drafts that were prepared. And, just to give you a sense of which section of the guidelines received the most comments, You can see highlighted there that eligibility, fiscal sponsorship, and the application review and scoring process received the highest number of comments.

1:03:53 – 1:04:13Speaker 7

So, comments and all draft materials are posted to the web site. The website's listed there. And on May 8, the public comments that were received were emailed to all PRAC commissioners to allow time for you all to have advanced review. This agenda item online also includes a copy of all public comments. It looks like an Excel spreadsheet.

1:04:13 – 1:04:42Speaker 7

It lists who made the comment and what the topic was about, and specifically what they had to say. So, in order to incorporate the comments and review them all, every comment, all seven sixty were reviewed. I personally went through each and every one of them. Edits were then made throughout the draft guidelines. And in looking at the prior versions, you'll see some annotation along the side using the comment feature in Word.

1:04:43 – 1:05:23Speaker 7

Clarifying language was added using track changes, and questions requiring further legal review were flagged and submitted to city attorney's office. Summaries of public feedback were also annotated through the draft so that you could see some of the questions that the PRAC subcommittee and staff needed to wrestle through to determine the best path forward as far as what to incorporate in the guidelines. And, again, all prior versions with red lines are available on the website. There are copies in the back as well. I will say, we started out the first draft was 19 pages, and after incorporating the comments and making edits that clarified, we got to 26 pages.

1:05:23 – 1:05:46Speaker 7

So, we went through very thoroughly and tried to incorporate as much as possible. The guideline sections are listed here, and we're gonna be going through each of them with some highlights. Chair McCoy, we, in prior meetings, have stopped at each page for comments. Would you like to do the same this evening for the commission to give feedback, or would you like to follow a different model?

1:05:48Speaker 1

Think stop at each page for compacts, since this is being presented to the whole commission.

1:05:54 – 1:06:19Speaker 7

Sounds good. Okay, so we have several sections to go through. You'll see them listed there on the table. I'm gonna ask the clerk to switch over to the draft guidelines. In front of you, Commission, you should have a copy that has red writing across the top and says draft updated following the May 13 PRAC subcommittee meeting.

1:06:19 – 1:06:44Speaker 7

So, I'll give you a moment to turn to that. For those who are in person, there are copies in the back as well. And those online, this item was originally attached to agenda item 12A. But, as clerk mentioned in the beginning, it should have also been attached to this item as well. So, you'll be able to find the file online there if you're unable to view the font large enough in the version that's on the screen.

1:06:50 – 1:07:30Speaker 7

Alright. So, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go over each section, giving a little bit of rationale. There's much more annotation in the prior versions because we explained kind of the basis. There are a few comments throughout here that reflect some of the decisions made at the last meeting last week. But we'll go ahead and get started. So, page number's at the bottom. I'm going to skip past page one. That is just the table of contents. And, you'll note on page two, there's some red writing there that this draft is intended for discussion purposes. It is subject to change based on your feedback tonight.

1:07:30 – 1:08:09Speaker 7

And, then final legal review will be conducted before it goes to counsel to make the eighteenth. And, as Sarah mentioned, you're able to give feedback, and you may choose to adopt with the changes that you communicate tonight, or we can look at it again at the special meeting. Okay, moving on to page three. So, this page just provides an overview and background. It speaks to Measure P briefly, and then references the Cultural Arts Plan with links throughout so that the grantees can see what were some of the priorities and goals outlined in that plan.

1:08:10 – 1:08:54Speaker 7

The vision statement for the Cultural Arts Plan is also listed there at the bottom. Are there any questions or changes recommended for page three? This one's an easy one. So, okay. Yeah. Alright. So, on page four, we also outlined the Cultural Arts Plan goals, recommendations, and strategies. When looking at a city plan, it can be helpful for folks to have an idea of where to find the information. And, since this draft set of guidelines prioritizes the goals, recommendations, and strategies found in the plan, this is really more of like an instructional page so that folks can find those very same goals, recommendations, and strategies within the plan. Are there any questions that you have on page four?

1:08:57 – 1:09:38Speaker 7

Okay, seeing none, I'll move on to page five. So, on page five, we go over the Measure P grant requirements, specifically in expenditure category number four. That outlines that 12% of the funds will be made available on an annual basis to invest in competitive grants for nonprofit organizations that support and expand access to arts and cultural programming. I will make a note, and I've stated it in prior meetings, that the key operative term there is competitive grants in nonprofit organizations. We did receive many comments wishing and requesting that the funding could go directly to artists and not necessarily nonprofits.

1:09:38 – 1:10:37Speaker 7

We've also received comments that infer that the funds are like an entitlement fund, where you would get them routinely every year. And, I just want to note that Measure P specifically enumerates that they are competitive, and that they have to go to nonprofits, as well. You'll also see in Section B, there are, there's language about working in partnership with Fresno Arts Council. And, while previously that looked like a service agreement, since that agreement has been terminated in Cycle Three, one of the things that we shared with the Sub subcommittee last week was that the Fresno Arts Council is what partnership looks like right now is them sharing a lot of the information so that artists can see the opportunities to engage for this grant program, to see when guidelines and things are being spoken about at public meetings. You'll notice on their social media that they've been sharing the resources, and we really appreciate that to highlight to their audience.

1:10:39 – 1:11:10Speaker 7

You'll see multiple solicitations. You'll see that in these grant guidelines meeting those requirements. The ordinance also includes that funding should be made for core operating and project support grants, and that you're all's responsibility is to ensure that the grant applications are reviewed in a transparent and competitive process. You'll see that Section C from the ordinance is not showing up here on this page. That's because it's mentioned in prior pages when speaking about the Culture Arts Plan because it's specific to the Culture Arts Plan.

1:11:10 – 1:12:24Speaker 7

And then, in Section D, the operating support, you'll see the language that's specific to those type of grants, which is intended to support organizational stability for organizations that reflect the cultural, geographic, and demographic diversity of the city, and also to reflect the proportion of each grantee's overall operations that serves residents within or visitors to the City Of Fresno's sphere of influence. And then, in Section E, you'll see some priorities enumerated there related to diverse public and youth engagement and equity. So, the reason I went through in such detail for Measure P is because we really deferred to what the language in the ordinance says in building the draft guidelines so that it's very clearly tied to the ordinance itself. And, as a result of that, for funding priorities for this grant program, we have indicated and highlighted that Section E there, that funding should be prioritized for programs that support and expand diverse public engagement and equity and programs that support and expand youth engagement and equity. The Cultural Arts Plan also identifies many other grant funding priorities.

1:12:24Speaker 7

Any questions on page five?

1:12:27 – 1:12:47Speaker 5

Shelby? You may not be able to answer this. But considering Measure P, or the ordinance of living document, if we ever wanted to change that wording around awards going directly to artists as opposed to nonprofits, would that have to go back to the ballot? Is that the way that would work?

1:12:47 – 1:13:00Speaker 7

I'm going to defer to legal on that one. Yes. Because it's a substantial change. It would have to go back to the voters for that approval, for Okay. That

1:13:01Speaker 5

So, not a simple matter.

1:13:03 – 1:13:16Speaker 7

No. And, I just reiterate it because you'll see throughout the comments that consistently that's been a request. It's not within our power to actually do that currently. Any other questions on page five?

1:13:19 – 1:13:52Speaker 4

it's a related question. At the subcommittee meeting on May 13, you were bringing out the idea of nonprofit organizations, I think, contracting with artists and culture members instead of coming in under a fiscal sponsorship to receive awards. And I think at that time, it was just kind of very late at night and a little hard to process. But I was wondering, is that something that was thought more about after that subcommittee meeting? Or was there additional kind of thoughts or information on that that maybe this commission would be able to consider?

1:13:53 – 1:14:33Speaker 7

So for that item, what we were discussing is there's been a lot of discussion on fiscal sponsorship. But, another way to contract with, I mean, arts organization, or artists or cultural bearers may also be to include them in a nonprofit's application. For example, hiring an artist to paint a mural, that's a line item as a subcontracted item versus referring to it as a sponsorship. So I think it's achieving similar goals if that artist isn't ultimately wanting to be a nonprofit. But really, it's just a different way of presenting your budget because a lot of budgets included contracted services.

1:14:34 – 1:15:12Speaker 7

So, Angela, I can send a note over from her legal opinion. But essentially, that may be another avenue. And you'll see in the draft scoring rubric that there were additional points added for those who were hiring cultural bearers or local artists. But, I just think that there's been a lot of emphasis on fiscal sponsorship, but another way to do that is to incorporate them as part of your proposal as, you know, a contracted service just like you would do in any other grant. Any concerns from a legal perspective that off the bat? I would have to look at it to be able to advise.

1:15:13Speaker 1

And how soon will we be advised if that's, once you look at it, if that's something that we can explore?

1:15:21 – 1:15:37Speaker 7

Well, artist fees are listed as an eligible expense in the draft. So that's essentially how you would include it in your budget. But we can submit the RLS. Yeah, we'll submit the RLS tomorrow.

1:15:37Speaker 1

Okay, thank you. Yes.

1:15:49 – 1:16:15Speaker 6

The part about having the artist get that art grants themselves, The Arts Council, throughout the years, was a grant maker and used to have individual artists at one time. And why they were not part of this new renewal thing, I don't know. But it's something to look at. Thank you.

1:16:15 – 1:16:32Speaker 7

Yeah. And just to be clear on my response to Commissioner Ward related to what you just stated. So, I'm not presuming that we would contract directly with ARTIS. It still would have to go through the competitive nonprofit application. But thank you for your comment.

1:16:32 – 1:16:48Speaker 1

And just to be clear, you're not proposing to change the language either, correct? Because it sounds like if we artist would be able to do this. We're just trying to figure out a way to include them to where they could still receive funding as a subcontractor, correct?

1:16:48Speaker 7

That's correct. So it would be well outside of my scope to try to change the language and measure P. I'm just reflecting what the community stated.

1:16:54Speaker 1

Exactly, yeah.

1:16:55 – 1:17:14Speaker 7

I am but a messenger on that one. Okay, any other questions on page five? Okay, so we'll submit that RLS. And moving on to page six. So, on page six, we outline the available funding and funding allocations.

1:17:14 – 1:17:56Speaker 7

And, you'll see that this section has undergone a number of edits in the prior versions. One thing that we have listed here is that there's a total of 6,400,000 and some change there available for cycle three grants. There was a lot of community feedback related to getting funding out to as many organizations as possible. And in that interest, we have indicated that applicants could submit either for general operating support or project support, but not both. That's done to support more broad access.

1:17:56 – 1:18:49Speaker 7

And it would not have an impact, though, on fiscal sponsors who may submit an application for themselves and on behalf of their organizations. So, setting that track, whether you could apply for either general operating support or project support, wouldn't impact the fiscal sponsors for those sponsored orgs. We are proposing to release this in multiple solicitations consistent with Measure P so that there would be at least one solicitation for project support grants and then one solicitation for general operating support grants. Now, this section had a lot of discussion, and you'll see in the draft, unfortunately, the tables are not redlined. But, following our subcommittee meeting last week, we put together some options about partial funding awards.

1:18:50 – 1:19:33Speaker 7

So, what we're proposing, in past cycles, folks received anywhere between 30%, 60%, 90% of their requests. The initial draft suggested that perhaps the grantees should receive 100% of their requests. Community comments then indicated that folks wanted to spread money around as far as possible, and perhaps we should consider awarding 75%, 80% of the requests instead of 100%. And then, the subcommittee and I worked through what could that look like if we were going to award less than 100%. So, are options here that I thought would be a good starting place for the commission to discuss to try to determine the best path forward.

1:19:35 – 1:20:05Speaker 7

If partial awards were gonna be made, that could be done perhaps based on the application score percentile. So, option one indicates that if you were within that top five percentile, the 95% to 100 in terms of your scoring, you could get 100%. 90 to 94.99 would get 90%. And you can see down the table there, that's option one. Option two gives a little bit more of a nuanced spread.

1:20:05 – 1:20:36Speaker 7

So, 95% to 100 would be 100% awarded. 90 to 94 would be 95%, and so on down the table. And then, flipping to the next page, and I'll pause there after this portion. On page seven, option three is just another way to try to split the funds percentage wise based on the score. So I know I'll give you a minute to take a look at that. And then if there are questions, recommendations, or other options that you all would like to discuss.

1:20:36Speaker 6

The maximum funding that someone can get is $150,000 total?

1:20:44Speaker 7

So yes, that's outlined later in the guidelines. But $150,000 is what we're recommending.

1:20:51 – 1:21:02Speaker 6

Okay. Because there may be some room for discussion there on the amount that people are getting, something to consider.

1:21:02 – 1:21:18Speaker 7

Yes, absolutely. We'll definitely get to that section very soon. Does anyone have an option preference? I like option one.

1:21:20Speaker 1

I like two. You have a preference?

1:21:28Speaker 3

I actually have questions on page seven, so I'm gonna be waiting. Can I ask you a question already?

1:21:35Speaker 1

We're on page six.

1:21:37Speaker 3

Is that okay? Shelby?

1:21:39Speaker 1

On six, do you have an option?

1:21:42Speaker 3

Oh, in the options?

1:21:45Speaker 1

Because we're not on seven yet, sorry.

1:21:47 – 1:22:21Speaker 3

I was actually going to ask if staff was making a recommendation, because I'm a little bit confused with the many versions we have of this draft. I mentioned last year that we should label them option, I'm talking about now the drafts, not the funding options. That it would be useful to have it labeled as exhibit A, exhibit B, exhibit C. I guess the other way is because you have one draft that incorporates some of the public comments. Isn't that correct?

1:22:22 – 1:22:49Speaker 7

So, the draft that we're reviewing, if it says draft up at the top, updated following the May 13, this is the draft that has incorporated is that the draft you have in front of you at the top in red? Yeah, okay. So, this version reflects all of those red lines. There's copies in the back of the prior versions, versions one and two. And we started out originally at 19 pages, and then we went up from there once those red lines were included.

1:22:49 – 1:23:21Speaker 7

So what you're seeing in front of you doesn't have a lot of red lines. It has a couple comment bubbles. But this is basically the finalized version that we're reviewing in detail today that we feel is representative of the comments that have been received and the work that the subcommittee has done. But there are a few decisions that still need to be made in collaboration with PRAC. And so before we skip to page six, we're just trying to see engage where the support is for how funding might be awarded as a percentage of the total request.

1:23:24Speaker 3

I actually like option three.

1:23:26Speaker 1

You like option three. Okay. Commissioner Miller. Option three. Vice Chair award.

1:23:34 – 1:23:56Speaker 4

I prefer option two. That is because two and three kind of anticipate funding scores that are above 70% instead of an 80%. But from what I've seen in prior cycles, there wasn't anybody who scored actually 100%. And so I didn't think option three would result in anyone getting 100% funding.

1:23:56Speaker 1

Commissioner Dolan, you had a question?

1:24:01 – 1:24:16Speaker 5

Yeah, I just, Shelby, the reason for these three options is to try to present us with ways to maximize either the dollar amount or the number of people who are being awarded? I'm not sure what these three options are

1:24:16 – 1:24:44Speaker 7

Yeah. So originally, staff had recommended that you get awarded 100% down the line. And then when funding runs out, the last person score wise would get a percentage of their award. However, in working with the PRAC subcommittee and going out for public comment, there was an interest in trying to see that as many people or as many organizations as possible get at least a portion of what they're requesting. There was consensus that 30% is too low.

1:24:44 – 1:25:02Speaker 7

Will say that. There's rare consensus in the public comment or even in discussion, but that one was pretty clear. So, this is our attempt to try to spread the money further. However, there is also feedback that it becomes difficult to deliver on your award if it's paired down too much.

1:25:03 – 1:25:23Speaker 7

There were some comments about maybe funding 100% of projects versus operating could be percentage, since that's a percentage of your operating costs. But, we really wanted to just present it to you all, and so far it sounds like there's mixed opinion. Yeah. But, we do need to decide. So

1:25:23 – 1:26:00Speaker 5

So, sorry. I just want to follow-up on that. So would you say if we I don't know who just made this comment. Maybe it was Vice Chair. But I agree. Like, it's very rare that somebody's going to get 100% award or score on their application. So therefore, 100% award. So option three seems a bit aspirational, to say the least. Between one and two, then, do I understand that option two would spread the money further? And option one would maximize the amount of delivery? Does that make sense?

1:26:00 – 1:26:21Speaker 7

Right. So you're faced with an option of provide more people with more of what they or provide grantees with close to what they asked for. Or have more grantees with a little bit less of what they asked for, but in no cases, other than when the funding runs to the very bottom, would anybody get less than the 75%. Percent?

1:26:21Speaker 5

Okay. In that case, I think I would lean towards option two.

1:26:25 – 1:26:49Speaker 1

And just to be clear, option two is kind of like what we did in prior cycles, correct? Because option cycle one had the most money because we were waiting for everything to get put in place before we started receiving. So it was a lot more funding available, but it seems like the option two was the way that they follow things.

1:26:50 – 1:27:01Speaker 7

In prior cycles, the Arts Council awarded awards at, like, 30% Right. Okay. 60%. Yeah. And cycle one

1:27:01Speaker 1

like a tier step. That's what I mean. Right?

1:27:03 – 1:27:28Speaker 7

In cycle one, there was a bit larger portion of what was awarded because there was double the amount of money. Okay. So, right now, based on your all's feedback, option one only has one little check mark here. Option two has three, and option three has two. So, option two so far has the most support. Do you all want to go with option two?

1:27:30Speaker 1

I would like to.

1:27:32Speaker 3

Don't like I like

1:27:33Speaker 1

need to have a discussion about it, but

1:27:35 – 1:28:18Speaker 3

I don't like option two because more people get funding at 100%. Whereas the third option, you really have to score very high. And, it's not likely that a lot of people will score 100%. Therefore, you know, the folks that will end up, actually, most people would end up getting funded at 95% under the real scenario. But, anyway, option three happens to be my preferred option, but we'll see what interest there is on that.

1:28:18Speaker 7

Yeah, so right now, option two is in the lead, with three of you supporting it. Did anyone not weigh in here?

1:28:27Speaker 1

Commissioner Kalia? Can you turn your mic on, please? Thank you.

1:28:35Speaker 6

Torn between Looks better.

1:28:50Speaker 1

Commissioner Karcharski?

1:28:54 – 1:29:16Speaker 20

Yeah I picked option one just because I thought those that didn't get a high score could maybe get a chance to get a nice portion of funding. But I can go with option two, too. I don't see a big difference. Mean, we've to cut it one way or the other. So I could go either way, really. But I picked option one because of that, mostly.

1:29:16Speaker 7

But you said you wouldn't mind going with option two? Because you're the tiebreaker now. Unless anyone else wants to change their I'm looking at two.

1:29:24Speaker 8

Commissioner Colley, do you mind repeating what option you select? Think your mic cut out. Was it

1:29:29Speaker 1

two or three? Three? Three.

1:29:33Speaker 8

Okay. Thank you.

1:29:37 – 1:29:51Speaker 3

just want to make sure that it's clear that if an applicant scores below 75% will not get any funding. Is that clear? Is that am I correct in that interpretation?

1:29:52 – 1:30:35Speaker 7

You know what? That is a really good question. That is currently how it's written. But if you'd like for us to consider changing it so that it's anything below 74% would get 75%. Because let's just say hypothetically, as you asked that, it came to my mind that if many people or many organizations don't get at least 75%, there might be money left. So we're probably going to want to add some language that would allow us to then say that if you score below that mark, you would also get 75%, just because we're not grading on a curve.

1:30:35Speaker 3

So, does that mean so, where is the threshold of passing?

1:30:40 – 1:30:55Speaker 7

Well, right now, as written, that's 70%. But I would like to ask for some flexibility, because if a big portion of grants come in and they get 69%, then we can't award them any funding. And I'd like to be able to award

1:30:55 – 1:31:13Speaker 20

That's why I picked option one, because it looks like it says, if it's below 80%, you could get 75%. So if somebody scored 64, but they were a good score review in your batch, they could still get 75% of the funding. That was the reason why I picked option one.

1:31:14 – 1:31:35Speaker 1

I would like to add language to option two because to me, option one seems like there will only be a small pool of grantees or applicants to receive option two will be able to award more. So I would like to add language to option two that if it's 60% and up

1:31:35Speaker 5

Can we just modify

1:31:37Speaker 7

less than 70? Yes.

1:31:38 – 1:31:52Speaker 5

I'm sorry. Yeah, was just going to say, I think, what you were saying, Shelby. Can we just modify option two so that it's less than 70 to 74.9? We're fine with that. Right. That would give you all the flexibility you would

1:31:52Speaker 7

want. I Yeah. We want to get money out. We don't want to

1:31:54Speaker 5

Right. Exactly.

1:31:55Speaker 7

Arbitrarily have money left over. Okay. So we'll make that edit. And we'll proceed with option two if you all are

1:32:03Speaker 1

The majority one?

1:32:04Speaker 7

Yeah. So, all right.

1:32:06 – 1:32:18Speaker 8

Shelby in that option two with the changes we just heard you still have the appeal process correct anyone who's below that that could come to the commission for

1:32:19Speaker 7

Yes so the appeals are later in the guidelines so we'll go over that rule. Yep. Okay so We're not currently

1:32:29 – 1:32:55Speaker 1

We're not at public comment yet and this is just a discussion item. So at at one of our hearings, you'll be able to make at the last ID number 26Dash646, you'll be able to make a comment there. Like you'll be able to make a comment there at that time. You can continue.

1:32:55 – 1:33:29Speaker 7

Thank you. You, chair McCoy. Okay. So now we're gonna go to page seven. We're making good time. Thank you all for your feedback. Okay. So you'll notice there under, I'm gonna strike out option three, and I'm striking out option one on the prior page because we're gonna go with option two. There is a comment about partial awards of less than that 75% may be made when funding is exhausted. And that just means that as we move down the line and money gets to the tail end, we would offer that next grantee score wise.

1:33:30 – 1:33:59Speaker 7

If there's 60% of what they asked for leftover, we'd still offer that just to get the money out if they were able to do so. And if they said they couldn't, then we'd go next down the line just to make sure that funds are available. We got a lot of feedback about how to split the overall pot between project support and general operating support. And, again, that was one of the areas where there was pretty decent consensus on splitting it fiftyfifty. So, that's what we incorporated here.

1:33:59 – 1:34:31Speaker 7

So, approximately 50% of the funding would be set aside for project support grants. And the feedback we received about minimum funding request was incorporated as well of $1,000 would be the minimum. In prior cycles, I think there were awards as low as in the $90 range. So, we wanted to at least establish a minimum. And then, for project support, the maximum funding request would be between $50,000 to $150,000 based on the organization's annual total revenue for 2025.

1:34:32 – 1:35:27Speaker 7

Based on comments that we got at the subcommittee meeting last week, we did incorporate language here that the tax year 2024 would be accepted if '25 has not yet been filed. And if an emerging nonprofit applicant or fiscally sponsored applicant does not yet have tax filings for the calendar year, they would be eligible to apply for no more than 75,000. So, the project support maximum request table is pictured there, and it splits out the maximum funding that could be requested based on that organization's size. We did get a lot of public comments that it can be challenging to compete with organizations that might have an annual revenue of greater than 1,000,000. And there were, when looking up the size of nonprofits, you'll see in prior versions that there is around 13 art and culture nonprofits that have a budget of that size within the city, out of over 200 that were listed using ProPublica.

1:35:29 – 1:35:43Speaker 7

I will stop at project support because there's a little bit more information on general operating support for the next section to see what feedback or questions you all have related to what's proposed in front of you for project

1:35:43Speaker 1

support. I'm going start with Commissioner Barrazza. Okay. Thank you, Madam

1:35:47 – 1:36:29Speaker 3

A couple of things. The table you have that's called project support maximum request table, where you have community groups or neighborhood groups that use the services of a fiscal agent, will that amount that that group applies for be combined with the larger organization, the fiscal agent, in arriving as to how much they are able to apply for?

1:36:30 – 1:37:01Speaker 7

So the thought here is, let's say that that group, maybe in the past, they've managed less than the amount that you would even need to file taxes. We would be basing the amount on that small group and not the fiscal sponsor. So if your fiscal sponsor has a budget greater than 1,000,000 and could get 150,000, that would not be the case for that fiscally sponsored group. They would be eligible for the 75,000.

1:37:01 – 1:37:33Speaker 3

Let me give you an example. If somebody qualifies for a maximum amount of 100,000, but they also are having three other agencies or groups that don't have nonprofit status. Can they add that to the 100, or they have to actually apply for less in order to assist as a fiscal agent to another group?

1:37:33 – 1:37:55Speaker 7

So, we speak to that in the fiscal sponsorship section of the guidelines. But fiscally sponsored wouldn't take away from what that organization itself could apply for. So they could apply for their $100,000 And then if they're fiscally sponsoring other groups, they could apply for each of the amounts for those groups. But it wouldn't take away from what they could apply for as an organization.

1:37:55Speaker 3

So it doesn't hurt?

1:37:57Speaker 7

It shouldn't hurt. No. Based on how it's currently written, it wouldn't And

1:38:00 – 1:38:22Speaker 3

then the second part of the question is, how high or how large can the community group that is not a nonprofit organization, how high can they apply for? What's the maximum? That a community group has an art project, but they are getting a fiscal agent, what's the maximum they can apply for?

1:38:22Speaker 7

Does that community group, is that informally organized or are they, like a fledgling nonprofit?

1:38:28Speaker 3

Do they have They don't have a status.

1:38:30Speaker 7

They have any past revenue. Do any they budget from any past?

1:38:36Speaker 3

So what is the maximum amount?

1:38:38Speaker 7

It would be 75,000 unless they had a budget from the past that they could show to show proof that they'd be eligible for more.

1:38:47Speaker 3

I'm sorry. I'm not understanding you.

1:38:50 – 1:39:02Speaker 7

If you're what you're speaking to is like a neighborhood group that comes together. They're just informally organized, they're looking for a fiscal sponsor to be able to apply for funding. 75,000.

1:39:03 – 1:39:17Speaker 3

And I'm assuming the group has an eligible project that qualifies. And that's the purpose of the fiscal agent, to make them eligible, too. But the only question is, how much money can they apply for?

1:39:18Speaker 3

Okay, thank you.

1:39:22Speaker 1

Commissioner Miller.

1:39:25 – 1:39:44Speaker 4

Vice Chair Ward. Oh, I just noticed on that page, so the section under projects support, the second paragraph, because at the May 13 meeting, we raised, I think, it says the maximum funding request is between, which should now say $75,000 I think, instead of 50,000

1:39:44 – 1:40:03Speaker 7

Thank you. Yes, we didn't make that edit. I'll correct that, because prior versions had a floor of the 50,000. So, thank you. And, your mic is kinda quiet too. I don't know, clerk, if we can adjust the Okay. I just want to make sure people online can hear.

1:40:03Speaker 1

Absolutely. Commissioner Kahlia.

1:40:09 – 1:40:23Speaker 6

I was just wondering how we arrived at the 150,000 max for the $1,000,000 the $125,000 max, how did we determine these numbers?

1:40:23 – 1:40:57Speaker 7

I'm glad you asked. So staff reviewed the public comments that were received. And within the comments received, there were some comments that it's difficult to compete with organizations that have more than $1,000,000 per year. There were some suggestions that were given of awarding, especially when it comes to operating at least, between $100,000 to $500,000 some range there. Staff then researched some comparable programs, primarily in general operating support.

1:40:57 – 1:41:33Speaker 7

So, I'm just briefly skipping ahead. But the California State Arts Council has an operating grant where they cap the annual amount at $30,000 and they also limit it to organizations with less than $1,500,000 per year or less than 5,000,000, depending on the type of organization. We looked at what other maybe sister cities might be doing with similar programs. So, we looked at San Diego, and they also have a range and a cap. They do go up to $400,000 but that's for organizations that are $10,000,000 or more per year.

1:41:33 – 1:42:21Speaker 7

So, they have a little bit of a different range. And so, staff then looked at ProPublica and pulled all of the nonprofits, which are currently identified as arts and cultural organizations, as well as, I think, humanities listed in there as well, and tried to see what the annual revenue for organizations in Fresno is. And, as previously mentioned, I believe it was around 13 different organizations that was over 1,000,000, And the vast majority of them are organizations of $100,000 or less in revenue a year. So, we did research and started out with kind of grouping of all that information to propose to the subcommittee. And then we worked with the subcommittee to discuss that and heard public comments.

1:42:21Speaker 7

And so this is our best recommendation, giving all that information.

1:42:29Speaker 1

Commissioner Kerchosky. You did? Commissioner Dolan.

1:42:32 – 1:42:45Speaker 5

Yes. Shelby, I might be jumping ahead just a little bit. But to clarify, organizations can apply for either program support or operating support, but not both. Is that correct?

1:42:45Speaker 7

That's correct.

1:42:45Speaker 5

Okay. Just want to make sure. Thank you.

1:42:49 – 1:43:01Speaker 7

Are there any other questions related to the project support section? Or anything else you all would like to see updated? I did log Commissioner Ward's good catch there with the 50,000 should say 75.

1:43:01 – 1:43:19Speaker 1

Based on comments that we heard at this subcommittee, is there any wiggle room for us to be able to raise each maximum funding request just a little bit?

1:43:21Speaker 7

We can certainly entertain that.

1:43:24Speaker 1

Ma'am, I'm going to ask you to please refrain from your comments until the comments section on the agenda. Thank you.

1:43:34 – 1:43:59Speaker 7

So, part of the reason it's set where it is, is there was a discussion about trying to ensure that funds go out very broadly to reach as many organizations as possible. Obviously, it's a competitive process. But this was done in the interest of trying to achieve that goal. But certainly, Pratt could recommend different maximum funding requests, and I can make those edits if you have something else in mind.

1:44:01Speaker 1

Okay. I was just asking. I I I would like to make a it's so hard because some of these

1:44:11 – 1:44:22Speaker 1

Orgs depend on this funding. Are we able to add the maximum request to 200,000 and then start moving down? Are we able to do that?

1:44:22Speaker 7

I can make that edit. Would you like

1:44:24Speaker 12

to have a discussion?

1:44:26Speaker 5

If do that, though, aren't we just limiting the number of awards we can give?

1:44:34Speaker 1

I don't know.

1:44:35Speaker 5

I mean, it seems like that's the trade off that I think this is what city staff has been

1:44:40 – 1:45:22Speaker 1

working on. The award of $200,000 or less at $75,000 right? Right. Adding, what, $25,000 to $50,000 Because if you look at past cycles, orgs who had a budget of $1,000,000 or more were able to get, like, 400,000 So I don't think that we will really hurt it. And we still funded a lot of organizations in both cycles, especially cycle one because we had more money. But in cycle two, we still funded a good portion of So I don't know if that will hurt the process. I will go out to park staff for some guidance on that one.

1:45:22Speaker 5

Do we know number of awards that would go out under this, as opposed to a raised ceiling?

1:45:29 – 1:46:04Speaker 7

Well, when you look at how scoring processes work, if they can ask for more, then less there's less available if the ones who ask for more score well. Right. So, is certainly trade offs in every single section. I'll have you know I wrestled with each and every page, every sentence. I'm sure. There's perfect process. I will say that several orgs did get that that amount, but then other orgs, you know, got as little as 30% of their requests previously. And so we can we can make edits, but there there's trade offs.

1:46:05 – 1:46:27Speaker 1

Alright, well I don't want to not fund as many people as we can, so I would just leave it there. I'd like to see a little bit more go to each grantee. But I don't want to hurt anyone in the process of not receiving funding because we're moving the funding up.

1:46:29Speaker 7

we had more funding.

1:46:30Speaker 5

Yeah. Chair, I think that perhaps we could leave it where it is indicated in this report.

1:46:36Speaker 5

And evaluate after this round again. I mean, don't think this is the last time we're going to No. Be visiting I don't think

1:46:42Speaker 5

Look to refine.

1:46:44 – 1:47:04Speaker 7

Okay. So, I'm going to if there's no other questions or comments on that section, we will go into general operating support. And, as mentioned, that's on page seven there at the bottom for those who are following along. So, 50% of the funding is allocated to that as well. Minimum request is also the same.

1:47:04 – 1:47:36Speaker 7

And then, I see my same mistake there of the $50,000 That should say the maximum funding request is between 75,000 So, we'll make that correction to 150,000 based on the organization's total revenue and proportionate share requirements. So, I'm gonna go into page seven to explain that a little bit more. Sorry, page eight. Okay. So, on page eight, you'll see general operating support.

1:47:36 – 1:48:05Speaker 7

The Measure P ordinance is once again cited because it states that the operating support grant funding must reflect the proportion of each grantee's overall operations that serve residents within or visitors to the City Of Fresno's sphere of influence. And I'll just make a quick note. The city does have a definition for the sphere of influence. It's listed in the definitions section of these guidelines. There's a map so you can see what that means because I know it's kind of a interesting term.

1:48:07 – 1:48:57Speaker 7

So, staff tried to break this down and give some examples because that can be a lot to take in. But a number one example we give there is that if an organization's overall operations only serve residents within or visitors to Fresno's sphere of influence, then the applicant may seek up to the maximum funding request in the table below. If a percentage of the overall operations of an organization includes operations outside of the sphere of influence, then the maximum funding request for the general operating support cannot exceed a proportionate share of the overall operations that serve residents within or visitors to the City Of Fresno's sphere of influence. And, I list there the proportionate share calculation. So, you would take your total operating budget minus operating budget allocated to operations that are outside the Fresno sphere of influence.

1:48:57 – 1:50:01Speaker 7

And, that will give you a sense of your maximum request. So, there might be organizations, let's say, just for example, that have a program and 50% of their operation goes to areas outside of Fresno County, even. So, we then would have this calculation so that Measure P's operating support is not funding operations that are not serving residents or visitors to Fresno itself. So, the example that's provided there, and just to say, when applicants apply, we'll have a calculator that does this for them, because I know math can, especially in this context, but we'll have that set up. If an organization has an annual total operating budget of $100,000 and 45,000 of that budget is used for implementing programs outside of Fresno's sphere of influence, so they're traveling to the coast, perhaps, to do performances, I don't know, then you would subtract that 45,000 of your operations that isn't serving Fresno or visitors to Fresno.

1:50:01 – 1:50:44Speaker 7

And your maximum funding request would be 55,000. So, even though the table shows that your organization might be eligible for $75,000 or $100,000 or $75,000 sorry, you actually could only ask for 55,000 because the Measure P funds would not be funding your operations that are not here. So, the example goes on, but hopefully that helps the Commission to kinda see what the intent of that is. And then, we did get some public comments related to the table. There was a comment that requested that this be framed as annual expenses versus revenue.

1:50:46 – 1:51:17Speaker 7

We pulled this current language based on tax form language, so we'd like to stick with some kind of consistent way for folks to look that up. So, that change was not incorporated. At the subcommittee meeting, attendees representing organizations with budgets at or near this tier, that top tier, indicated that 150,000 for general operating support was too low. So, we did hear public comments that would like to see that higher. But, we also saw or heard public comments that would like access to the funds and as many funds as could be made.

1:51:17 – 1:51:33Speaker 7

So, we have this table mirroring the prior table for consistency, but I'll turn it back to you all in PRAC and see if there's any questions that you have regarding the language on page eight or any edits you'd like to see.

1:51:33Speaker 1

Commissioner Barrazza?

1:51:37 – 1:51:59Speaker 3

The something that is kind of going through my mind is well, first of all, a question. In previous years, I know we had a lot more requests for funding than what was actually awarded. Can you give me a sense of how much more money was requested that we were not able to fund?

1:52:01 – 1:52:14Speaker 7

I don't have that off the top of my head, and I don't want to do you the disservice of giving you wrong information. Sarah, maybe if you wouldn't mind looking up on the past PRAC recommendation for award, how much

1:52:15 – 1:52:48Speaker 3

And what she's looking for that, the reason why I'm asking that question, one of the I don't know if how we did it last time. For folks that applied for Project Support Grants, could they have applied also for general operating support grants? I know that's a question we're going to have to deal with. Do we allow applicants to apply for both, or should we ask them to decide between the two?

1:52:49 – 1:53:46Speaker 7

So, in prior cycles, there was the emerging versus established designation, and there were some rules related to emerging organizations and what they could apply for versus established organizations. And, the dividing line between that was $50,000 So, if you were emerging and the $50,000 mark below, your organization was below that, you could apply, in some cases, for both. We took the public feedback to create more of a tier of how much you could apply for based on organization size, because that $50,000 mark, there's a big difference between a $60,000 organization and a $4,000,000 organization. So, we incorporated public comment to have more of this tiered approach in making the awards. But essentially, you would either apply for operating or for project, regardless of your size.

1:53:46 – 1:54:26Speaker 7

In past cycles, emerging may not have been eligible for operating support, but now they could apply under this round. So, Sarah's update for your prior question, there were 195 organizations that submitted eligible applications for review. They asked for $16,100,000 134 applications were selected to receive funding. And, that meant that 68% of total eligible applications were gonna get funding. However, I will note, it wasn't 100% of what they asked for. And, in many cases, people got 30%.

1:54:26Speaker 3

So, we had a lot more requests than we were able to fund?

1:54:29 – 1:54:49Speaker 7

Yeah. And, that's common for almost every grant program. Unfortunately, there's just a lot a lot more demand. So, our sense of setting these maximum requests was to make sure that funding can go as broadly without going as low as the 30% to where people can't actually deliver what they had aspired to.

1:54:49Speaker 3

So, where in the guidelines do we address that? Is that coming up or

1:54:54Speaker 7

Address what specifically?

1:54:55 – 1:55:07Speaker 3

Whether the process will allow folks to apply for both categories, or whether they will, or whether we limited them to only one of the two.

1:55:07 – 1:55:25Speaker 7

So that's on page six, up at the top, number of applications. It, page six. Six? Six. So, under the section number of applications, it indicates that you could apply for general operating or

1:55:25Speaker 3

So, right now it says that you would allow both.

1:55:27Speaker 7

No. One or the other.

1:55:32Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you.

1:55:34Speaker 3

very much. Sure. That addresses my point. Thank you, madam chair.

1:55:37Speaker 1

Thank you. Commissioner Miller? Vice Chair Ward.

1:55:45Speaker 4

No comments. Thank you.

1:55:46 – 1:56:00Speaker 1

Commissioner Collier. Comment. Commissioner Kerchorski. Commissioner Dolan. Shelby, are you

1:56:00 – 1:56:12Speaker 5

confident that this calculation is going to be easy and straightforward about the percentage of your service that's rendered to the area of influence versus outside of it?

1:56:13 – 1:56:37Speaker 7

So, easy and straightforward are subject to interpretation. But, our plan is we've included an example here. We talked about it during the subcommittee meeting and how, for larger organizations that have a small percentage, it may not really have an impact. But for smaller organizations, it may have more of an impact. We talked at the subcommittee about having it be part of kind of an attestation from the nonprofit.

1:56:37 – 1:57:12Speaker 7

So, like what percent of your budget right now is serving those outside areas? And then we plan to do technical assistance meetings. The other thing we plan to do is to do a survey tool so that you would plug in the numbers, and it would calculate it for you. So, I don't think that it's super easy to understand. I will say that it does take a level of practice to determine the percentage of your org. But one of the things that's stated in here, if you don't have any work that's kind of going outside the area, then it's not even something that you need Sure. To worry

1:57:12 – 1:57:30Speaker 5

Yeah. I guess I would say it's probably the opposite. It's easy to understand, but hard to make that break out, necessarily. And just in my own experience with our organization. Where we're trying to run these kinds of reports all the time. It's not necessarily so easy to parse. But

1:57:31Speaker 5

If we come an up agreed upon

1:57:36Speaker 5

Yeah. I think it would be okay. But I think that the devil may lie on that detail, actually, if we're not careful.

1:57:43Speaker 7

Yes. And so, we will highlight that in the technical assistance on how best to determine that.

1:57:50Speaker 5

Yeah. And then come up with a consistent way of measuring it so everybody can Okay.

1:57:54Speaker 7

Leveling. Leveling. Yeah. And we do that routinely with our grants, as well. There's different eligibility criteria.

1:58:00Speaker 7

Any other questions or comments on page eight?

1:58:09 – 1:58:54Speaker 7

So then, going into the timeline on page nine, the first draft started out with a shorter table. It didn't have as many steps in the process, but we did get community feedback that they would like to see each of the different steps and the general timeline for those to occur. So, this table has expanded from the first iteration to include many of the other steps. And I do note in bold and let it be on the record that adjustments may be necessary. So, we've put our best dates forward here, but there may be some adjustments that are necessary, but that will be communicated in a transparent and clear fashion on the website with PRAC and so forth.

1:58:54 – 1:59:26Speaker 7

One of the key dates there is releasing the Notice of Funding Opportunity on June 30. That has not we've gotten a lot of feedback about needing more time. However, that's based on a legal opinion that we need to make the funds available by June 30, so we're on track to do that. We are hoping to have the grant guidelines adopted on June 25 at the latest by city council, but we do plan to take the item on the eighteenth. And what we're planning currently is to have applicant technical assistance workshops.

1:59:26 – 2:00:01Speaker 7

We also received feedback that hosting or making it possible for fiscal sponsors to meet interested parties who would like to be fiscal sponsored could be helpful. And so, we're indicating that we would have kind of a meet and greet session for folks to mingle and meet one another. We're gonna get into more detail on the scoring process, but you'll see several milestones that include what is called the ARC Scoring Member Application. ARC is Application Review Committee, and we'll go into much more detail on that shortly. You'll see different appeal dates that are included in the timeline.

2:00:01 – 2:00:38Speaker 7

That's based on scheduled PRAC meetings that are already on the calendar. So, folks, if they want to appeal, whether they've been included in the scoring committee, if they want to appeal other things, The dates are already here for them to see when that could occur in front of this body. And then, we originally had an earlier deadline for grant applications, but received a number of comments asking for more time to apply, because it can obviously be a lot of work. And so September 30 is the deadline that we're currently tracking. So the Notice of Funding Opportunity would go out on June 30 and then be due by September 30, although there is important item that I skipped here.

2:00:38 – 2:01:10Speaker 7

The eligibility screening form would be due by August 15. At that time, you wouldn't need to have any scope identified yet, but we would just be screening to make sure that you're an eligible nonprofit based on the eligibility criteria within so that you can be issued a link to then apply. Folks who are interested in being part of the scoring process would apply. And you'll see appeals for those folks if they weren't selected. We also have training that is included for the scoring body.

2:01:10 – 2:01:53Speaker 7

We'll go over that in more detail shortly as well. Right now, we're forecasting the preliminary scoring period beginning in November, with scoring period ending with scores preliminarily due in December. Public scoring meetings are also incorporated into this process to increase the transparency based on public comments. So we'll go over that. And then, the intent to award would be estimated in January 27, and then come before you all. The dates are not selected for PRAC or for counsel yet because those calendars are yet to be adopted. So, that's what we're currently tracking. Before I get into the rest of the sections of these guidelines, are there any questions on the calendar?

2:01:53Speaker 1

Commissioner Baraza? Yeah. Go ahead. Commissioner Miller? Vice Chair Ward?

2:02:01 – 2:02:21Speaker 4

I think we heard some community feedback around shortening the length of time that it takes to complete the process once the applications have been submitted. I'm wondering if, for instance, there's no ARC scoring members that appeal, would you be able to move up how quickly they're able to proceed with the training reviewing?

2:02:22 – 2:02:52Speaker 7

I think the comment that we got would be related to page 10, that thirteen months. And I did add some clarifying language there because it isn't that it takes us thirteen months to contract with you. It's that that's the grant delivery period. So we will work as quickly as possible to make the awards. But even this schedule is pretty quick based on the number of applications we get.

2:02:52 – 2:03:21Speaker 7

So, remember that comment, and I thought it was related to how long the city contracting process can take. However, with many of the Cycle two grantees at least going through the process, getting set up as a vendor, and following those steps that Sarah went, things do move faster once you're in the system, and you have a little bit of experience under your belt. So, we will move as quickly as possible, but we do also want to balance that opportunity to appeal, because we got a lot of comments about that as well.

2:03:23Speaker 1

Thank you. Commissioner Collier?

2:03:29 – 2:04:08Speaker 6

One of the complaints that we got a lot of from artists were that I didn't know when the technical meeting workshop was, where was this held. We didn't get notified of this. And what are we going to do? What measures are we going to take to make sure that all the artists are in the loop? There was one comment about, which I thought was very clever, having a site that you can just tap into anything in the arts in Fresno.

2:04:08 – 2:04:30Speaker 6

The only person that is kind of a one man show is Mr. Monroe. He keeps track of all the art events that are going on. And as long as we can find and get the information out that's here to all the artists and groups, that's the kicker.

2:04:30 – 2:04:53Speaker 7

Yeah, so we I have some outreach methods listed on here related to at least the scoring committee. But, generally, when we have public meetings, we are informing you all. We send it out to an email list of over 14,000. Some of our partners, like Fresno Arts Council, shares with their networks in their newsletters and things. We post it on our website, on social media.

2:04:54 – 2:05:31Speaker 7

We can post flyers at our community centers, and so we have a number of outreach efforts that we'll make, but if anyone's watching or in the audience now, if you don't currently get any emails from us, then send your email address over to the expandedartsfresno dot gov so we can add you to the email list. We also record everything, so we realize that everyone has different schedules. And so, things are recorded so you could view at your own leisure if you miss it. And we'll also post the materials, the PowerPoints, and so forth, so that folks who couldn't make it or didn't hear about it, even though we, you know, make a lot of efforts, could access it there. Thank you.

2:05:32Speaker 1

Commissioner Kurcharski?

2:05:34Speaker 20

Yeah, I just have a quick question. What does ARC stand for, ARC?

2:05:38Speaker 7

Application Review Committee.

2:05:40Speaker 20

Oh, I don't know if that's written anywhere in here.

2:05:44Speaker 7

It is later in the guidelines. Oh, Okay. But yeah, it should have been introduced when I used the acronym.

2:05:48Speaker 20

Yeah, I was so confused. Was like,

2:05:51Speaker 20

it. Okay, thank you.

2:05:55Speaker 1

Commissioner Dolan, nothing? Okay, Shelby.

2:05:59 – 2:06:17Speaker 7

All right. We'll get the show on the road. All right. So page 11, eligible applicants. Okay.

2:06:17 – 2:07:14Speaker 7

So we cite language from, it's similar to prior guidelines, but we cite the reference of five zero one(three), where to look that up in IRS, so you do have to be a nonprofit organization. We have also listed being in good standing with the different, I guess, regulatory bodies, the IRS, the Franchise Tax Board, and the Secretary of State, as well as the City of Fresno. Each of those blue, underlined sections are hyperlinked so that an organization could look up and see if they're in good standing, and the bullets describe for them what does it mean to be in good standing. We indicate that a primary place of business is physically located within the City Of Fresno limits, so having a PO box does not count as being located, that you serve City Of Fresno residents or visitors. And there was some feedback here.

2:07:14 – 2:08:07Speaker 7

We debated having eligibility be impacted by lack of prior reporting. Cycle two, obviously there's overlap here, so we removed that language. But we did indicate that if organizations have not completed reporting for Cycle one, they would need to submit a written justification and or corrective action plan to resolve anything so that they would be considered eligible for cycle three, and that we would provide a template to do so. So, we do want to have that in there so that organizations are responsible for their reporting, but flexibly written enough to respond if there wasn't a reason that prohibited them from reporting. So, additionally, in accordance with Measure P, applicants seeking funding for general operating support, because there is different language in the ordinance that indicates that those must be an arts or cultural organization.

2:08:07 – 2:08:52Speaker 7

And, the way that we're proposing to determine that is based on the NTE codes assigned by the IRS Organizational Articles of Incorporation, which was added to give a little more flexibility. So, if the organization includes that in their Articles of Incorporation or another state or federal designation, we provided a link for the organization is not sure where to find theirs. And there are some questions into legal about another section, the ineligible section. But essentially, nonprofits are eligible, and there's a little bit more specificity for the operating support based on what Measure P states. There's also the eligibility screening form listed at the bottom.

2:08:52 – 2:09:05Speaker 7

And our intent, again, is just to make that like a checklist format so you could see whether your organization is eligible or not based on the guidelines. Are there any questions or clarifying statements for page 11?

2:09:05 – 2:09:20Speaker 1

Commissioner Baraza? No. Commissioner Miller, Vice Chair Ward? No. Thank you. Commissioner Collier.

2:09:20Speaker 6

Not at this time. Thank you.

2:09:22Speaker 1

Commissioner Karchalski. No comment. Thank you.

2:09:29Speaker 1

Commissioner Dolan, thank you. You can proceed on, Shelby.

2:09:32 – 2:10:07Speaker 7

All right, so page 12, eligible expenses. This mirrors prior years, but there's been some additional clarification and additions. Eligible expenses could be direct costs for personnel, supplies, services, permits, artist fees, kind of like what we were discussing briefly before, which was included in the past. License fees for copyrighted material, marketing, contractors, rentals, or equipment necessary to complete the proposed scope of work. We also give some examples of what a core operating expense could be considered as on number two there.

2:10:08 – 2:10:44Speaker 7

And then, core operating expenses for project support grants. So, the operating grants, but the project support grants would be capped at 10% of the total project cost. However, we did get a lot of feedback about insurance expenses being pretty high in the insurance market. And so, we opted to say that insurance expenses directly associated with the coverage required by the City of Fresno grant agreement will be considered direct expense required for the project and will not count toward that 10% cap. So, that gives a little more flexibility to organizations to ensure that they have the appropriate coverage for their project.

2:10:46 – 2:11:14Speaker 7

Expenses for food and non alcoholic beverages were also included. Prior cycle did not allow them. But we found that they may be an important part of cultural programming, and listed that they may be allowable if shown to be reasonable and necessary to expanding access to arts and culture. And reasonable and necessary is listed in the definition section to give examples of what that may mean. Something new compared to prior cycles is construction and facility improvements.

2:11:14 – 2:12:08Speaker 7

So, expenses associated with updating those facilities for the purposes of expanding Access Arts and Culture is included. The Cultural Arts Plan speaks in several sections as that being a priority for the community, and so we incorporated that language. And then, costs associated with providing technical assistance for emerging organizations to establish an arts or cultural nonprofit are included as well. Did have a public comment related to whether or not funding for legal services would be considered eligible, and so that'll be sent over to the city attorney's office as well. We indicate equipment exceeding $5,000 in purchase price would require three quotes prior to the purchase, not at the time of application, and would be needed to be listed separately.

2:12:10 – 2:12:49Speaker 7

Travel expenses would be subject to IRS standard mileage reimbursement rates and federal rates for lodging and food. Fiscal sponsor fees would be eligible, and those would be capped at 10% of the overall grant budget. Projects in schools during school hours, those were previously not eligible in cycle two. So, those were added back as being eligible in cycle three based on public comment. As well as number 11, are projects on university campuses that are open to the general public are now considered eligible but were not in prior cycles. Are there any questions relating to what is considered eligible or any clarifications needed?

2:12:49Speaker 1

Commissioner Baraza? I don't have any questions. Commissioner Miller? Vice Chair Ward?

2:12:56Speaker 4

None, thank you.

2:12:57Speaker 1

Commissioner Kalia? Commissioner Kocharski? No comment. Commissioner Dolan?

2:13:05 – 2:13:20Speaker 5

I do have a question. In item seven here, Shelby, you talk about needing three quotes for an equipment purchase. Are you required to take the low bid? Because if you're not, I'm not sure what the purpose of getting three quotes is.

2:13:22Speaker 7

We did not include that requirement. But adding that clarifying language would be useful. So we can add that.

2:13:38Speaker 1

You can proceed. All right.

2:13:42 – 2:14:07Speaker 7

Page 13, ineligible applicants. So you'll see there are number one, nonprofit organizations that are religious, political, or private foundations. This is language that was included in cycle two. However, there are many comments received requesting definitions of what political organizations means, clarity regarding religious organization eligibility. So we have submitted a request for legal advisement to further clarify that.

2:14:07 – 2:14:40Speaker 7

I don't know, Angela, if you would like to weigh in on that one. I'll have to take a look at this one. This was one I have not had the opportunity I think this is the one Christy had also provided some preliminary information. So we should have an update on this one shortly about the eligibility for the five zero one(three) nonprofits. The other things that are listed there, I think number one is really the one that's pending additional information.

2:14:40 – 2:15:16Speaker 7

But number two, for profit and sole proprietorships, that's just based on what the ordinance says about nonprofits being eligible. Organizations that don't serve the public or provide public programming, K-twelve schools, obviously if they're not the five zero one(three) nonprofit. And then organizations whose primary mission is to raise funds or do regranting. Government agencies, which is, we're not the 501c3 anyway, so that's just listed there for good measure. And then, just broadly speaking, any organization considered ineligible by Measure P.

2:15:18 – 2:15:49Speaker 7

So, other examples of ineligible expenses would include activities or programs or operations outside of the City of Fresno's sphere of influence. Expenses that don't reasonably expand access to arts and culture. For example, let's say you had a scope of work to do art with children, but you have expenses for, I don't know, an airplane. Unless you're doing art on the airplane, I don't know. But if it doesn't reasonably expand access, your budget's going be important there so that it ties.

2:15:49 – 2:16:16Speaker 7

Alcohol or other controlled substances, so that would not be eligible under this grant. Funds shall not be developed or used to develop facilities on former landfills or waste refuge facilities. That's actually language in Measure P, so that's pointed out there as well. Again, any expenses not eligible under Measure P. Cash prizes, scholarships, political advocacy or lobbying, fundraising, projects with religious or evangelical purposes, cost of goods for resell.

2:16:18 – 2:16:37Speaker 7

And I want to really state this very clearly here on number 11. No costs shall be incurred prior to the execution of the grant agreement. So I think we're facing some challenges in prior cycles because costs are incurred and bills are due, right? But I want to be very clear in cycle three, please do not have costs prior to your grant agreement. It makes it very challenging.

2:16:39 – 2:17:30Speaker 7

So fiscal sponsorship, at the bottom of the page there, we go into Measure P, Requiring Investment in Competitive Grants for Nonprofits, and highlight that fiscal sponsorship is really a short term solution to reduce barriers to accessing the funding, while the artists or the cultural barriers work toward building capacity. So, we are requiring at least two years of consecutive experience in nonprofit operations, must be in good standing, which was stated earlier, for eligibility, and have experience in financial management. Going into the next page, we outline some examples of fiscal sponsor responsibilities. And I'll just finish through this page before I go out to your questions. But, previously, on this section, we included a cap on the number of organizations that could be fiscally sponsored.

2:17:31 – 2:17:59Speaker 7

But in this draft, that cap was deleted based on the public comments received. So, there isn't currently a cap, but we do clearly identify the responsibilities associated with it. And fiscal sponsorship is a big responsibility, as your organization is ultimately contracted for the grant and responsible for all of the terms and conditions therein. Are there any questions on pages 13 or 14? Commissioner Baraza?

2:18:00Speaker 3

Yes. In regard to the function of fiscal sponsorship, how many of the larger organizations play their role?

2:18:12Speaker 7

How many fiscal sponsors are there or how many of the organizations making more than 1,000,000?

2:18:16 – 2:18:34Speaker 3

How many do they do they play the role of fiscal agents? There are some that I I know the historical society does, because I happen to know some organizations that have benefited from it. But I just wonder if you could give me a percentage. 30%, 10%, 50%?

2:18:35Speaker 7

We can pull that up for you. Sarah, can you pull up the cycle two spreadsheet that we have with the fiscal sponsors?

2:18:41 – 2:19:17Speaker 3

So, that would be the And the reason I make that point, because we need more fiscal agents. Because we're gonna get to the discussion, and I don't know if it's the next page, where we are exploring limiting the number of organizations they help. Because I think we saw that sometimes fiscal agents overextend themselves, and they get quite a few more organizations that they can really keep a close eye on. And so, we're gonna get to that point, and I don't know where it is in the in the text.

2:19:17Speaker 7

It was removed, Commissioner Brazza. We originally proposed a cap of five.

2:19:24Speaker 3

Right. And I like that. I I saw the number.

2:19:26Speaker 7

And that that language was removed based on public comment. But we can certainly discuss

2:19:35 – 2:20:04Speaker 3

Yeah. No, I like it. That's a good thing. But I'm also interested in making sure that we have a list of fiscal agents that are willing to play that role because I hear from members of the community and they tell me, where can I get a fiscal agent? And I said, well, I think we should have, we must have a list. So, do we have a list? And if we don't, could we have a list?

2:20:05 – 2:20:43Speaker 7

So, we don't have a, we have a list of fiscal sponsors from cycle two, but I think it may be outside of our scope to recommend fiscal sponsors. As we get into agreements and kind of see how things are managed, we have a better sense of capacity. But what we did include in the timeline is to open up a forum for interested people or artists who would like to meet with different potential sponsors. So that's something that we would facilitate space. But as far as recommending fiscal sponsors, as the entity that's overseeing the competitive process, I don't know that that would be appropriate.

2:20:43 – 2:21:15Speaker 3

No, I think what we're talking about is informing the community informing the community of what's available. Who is available? Because you could have a lot of organizations that don't want to be fiscal agents because of their responsibility. Especially now, you actually have a definition of what exactly they have to be doing. And, obviously, they tend to be more cautious now because what if the money gets lost?

2:21:17 – 2:21:29Speaker 3

Anyway, I would like to see a list, maybe of the ones that you already have on record, that they have performed their role. Somehow, we need more help and more information on that.

2:21:30Speaker 7

So, to answer your prior question, there were 21 fiscal sponsors sponsoring 60 different projects.

2:21:38Speaker 3

And that's public information, right?

2:21:40 – 2:22:23Speaker 7

That's all public. So I would say that if someone wanted to look into that, all of the past cycle awardees and the spreadsheet of who the awards are being made to is available on the Legislature, the City of Fresno website. We can probably post past cycle awardee lists on our website, but that's about as far as I think I would be comfortable going because, again, we are, as public servants, supposed to facilitate a competitive process. And so, by listing potential sponsors, to me, that might be a bridge too far with endorsing them. So, we can provide the public information, and provide a space for interested parties to meet.

2:22:23Speaker 7

But as far as like listing and or recommending them, I don't know that that's our role.

2:22:28 – 2:22:57Speaker 3

And I noticed it says here that having a fiscal agent should be a short lived process. Are we doing something to help community groups that are not incorporated or they're not nonprofits so they become nonprofits, they become bona fide cultural art organizations. Is that something you're doing?

2:22:57 – 2:23:44Speaker 7

So, what we included in the guidelines is that those costs to help the emerging groups become nonprofits would be eligible. The ordinance is very clear about funding competitive grants to nonprofits, and so we did include as eligible those costs to help some of those smaller groups become nonprofits. We did get a lot of feedback that maybe, you know, those groups don't want to be nonprofits, But, again, I will state clearly the ordinance as written requires it. So tapping into these funds without a fiscal sponsor requires that nonprofit establishment. By making it eligible, we hope that that would encourage that development By prioritizing the scoring to give more points to hiring local artists and cultural bearers, that also helps to create more access.

2:23:46 – 2:23:58Speaker 7

But beyond that, Parks is not actively engaged in in helping organizations form nonprofits because, again, that's kind of outside of our Scope. Our scope, but the grant would allow funding for that.

2:23:58Speaker 3

Do you think that 10% you're paying the fiscal agents is adequate?

2:24:05 – 2:24:22Speaker 7

Well, it is a cap and it depends on the scope of their responsibilities. I would say that there's a variety of percentages that are used in different grant programs, And this is what's currently recommended.

2:24:23 – 2:24:36Speaker 3

I was just wondering because you're expanding the role of the fiscal agents and we're paying them the same as we paid last year. My observation. Thank you Madam Chair.

2:24:37 – 2:25:36Speaker 1

Commissioner Miller? I expressed during the subcommittee and plenty of other times that I don't like the cap on fiscal sponsorship because that's going to leave a lot of people out who are already doing the work but currently don't have their 501c3 status. Again, not calling this organization out, but I want to give them their flowers. Dulce up front is one of the fiscal sponsors who are actually helping the applicants that they are fiscal sponsors for to be able to obtain their own five zero one(three) status so they won't need a fiscal sponsorship anymore. And that's something that I think that they're setting the stage for other fiscal sponsors to do when they're sponsoring other community groups or people who do not have a five zero one(three).

2:25:36 – 2:26:14Speaker 1

So by us putting a cap on the fiscal sponsorship is actually going to hurt the community more, in my opinion, the art community. Because a lot of people have been doing this for a long time without a five zero one(three) status. So now, to put a cap on the fiscal sponsorship, you may never know that some of the community based organizations that or artists, or community groups who do not have a five zero one(three) right now, they may be in the process of just now getting it. And they've had it for a year, right? And so they still need a fiscal sponsor. They wouldn't They wouldn't after a year?

2:26:14Speaker 7

No. The two years?

2:26:16Speaker 1

it had to be established for two years. So maybe that's my misformed information. So I still don't like the cap.

2:26:23Speaker 7

It's removed.

2:26:28 – 2:26:53Speaker 4

Thank you. I want to echo Chair McCloy's comments in support of removing the cap and keeping the cap for fiscal sponsors out. I did want to clarify the way that the ordinance is being interpreted. Are the organizations that are eligible to service fiscal sponsors, are these art and culture nonprofits that would have been eligible for a direct application for their own organization? Or is it broader than that?

2:26:57 – 2:27:19Speaker 7

So that is part of the legal opinion requested. You'll notice in the ordinance that it speaks to kind of more specificity, the arts and cultural organizations for operating support. For project support, it doesn't state that explicitly. So that's part of the request into legal, having several of the city attorney's office review it so that we can get you an answer.

2:27:21Speaker 1

Thank you. Commissioner Collier? No comment. Commissioner Kerchorski?

2:27:28Speaker 1

Commissioner Dolan?

2:27:31Speaker 5

Shelby, are there any restrictions on fiscal sponsors also applying for grants?

2:27:40 – 2:27:51Speaker 5

Okay. So it doesn't preclude them. And where do we stipulate the administrative fee? The 10%, 12%, whatever it is.

2:27:52Speaker 7

The 10% is stated, let me find it in the document.

2:28:14Speaker 4

Shelby, do you want me to

2:28:16Speaker 7

Yeah, if you found it first.

2:28:17Speaker 4

So on page 12 in section seven, the eligible expenses, it is the last sentence of subsection And

2:28:35Speaker 7

if we need to reiterate that in another section

2:28:37Speaker 5

No, I could it's fine. Was looking for it under fiscal sponsorship. Okay, thank you.

2:28:44Speaker 7

Thank you, Commissioner Ward.

2:28:46Speaker 1

You may proceed on, Shelby.

2:28:49 – 2:29:06Speaker 7

Where did I leave off? See. Page 15. I know. But then we have the handbook. We might take a break before the next handbook. Yes. Okay. Okay, so page 15, application questions. We give a high level list of what will be included in the questions.

2:29:06 – 2:29:51Speaker 7

I know that we've gotten comments that individuals would like to see the actual questions we'll be asking, But we've held off on including those until we had the guidelines finalized, because they'll have to ask questions related to the guidelines. But in general, we will be asking for contact information, organization's experience, scope of work, budget, alignment with cultural arts plan, Measure P, and different desired outcomes, and evaluation plans. So similar to prior rounds, but we did get feedback not to repeat questions so that you're copy and pasting the same thing. So we'd like to make it streamlined as possible, asking only the pertinent information. And Brevity can help really clarify answers, so not having it be too cumbersome.

2:29:51 – 2:30:19Speaker 7

We do have a section here on translation services. We can make the guidelines available in multiple languages. And then, if an application is submitted in a different language, we would use a third party translating firm to translate that so that scores can review it. Owner permissions and preliminary approval. So, if there's a project that wants to, say, install a mural on a property that they don't own, we would just ask that the applicant include like a letter that approves it in concept.

2:30:20 – 2:31:18Speaker 7

Not necessarily the permits or anything yet because those do have costs associated with them, but if you're partnering with a business and they give you a letter, that would suffice to show that at least on the concept level they approve and permits would be likely thereafter. Maintenance plan. So, if any of the projects are placed and permanently installed in public or private space, a maintenance plan will be required, which is consistent with the prior grant guidelines. The artist commitment, so we updated this section just to clarify that if you name an artist specifically, like if I said Taylor Swift was gonna be coming to Fresno, then I would need to have an artist commitment from them before naming them specifically. If you don't have an artist selected yet, then you would just say, like, artist to be identified, but we just wanna prevent someone using someone else's name who maybe didn't consent to that.

2:31:19 – 2:31:48Speaker 7

Artists, sorry, use of artificial intelligence in the application process. So, we just wanted to recognize that while it's a useful tool, please look closely at the rubrics and use your own words to describe what you plan to do in your application. I think, you know, AI is used and can be very helpful, but it also can say a lot of words without saying a whole lot. So, we would ask that people keep that in mind.

2:31:50Speaker 1

Ma'am, can I ask you to refrain from making comments until the item on the agenda allows you to, please? That's the last time I'm gonna ask you that. Thank you.

2:32:02Speaker 7

Okay. Any questions on page 15 or any edits you'd like to see? No? Alright. Page 16, the application review and scoring process.

2:32:13 – 2:33:04Speaker 7

So, I'm gonna go over it at a high level through these guidelines, and then we have another item later tonight to go through the handbook, but that handbook is much shorter than this, so stay strong. We'll have a break soon. All right, so we got a lot of feedback about the application review process. Although the guidelines or the handbook was not released until shortly after we released the draft guidelines, we did get, as you saw earlier in the presentation, over 100 comments as part of our listening sessions to help inform this section and the handbook. So, what we're proposing is that the Application Review Committee, or the ARC, would be comprised of approximately 30 members, And PARCCS shall not be a scoring member of the ARC.

2:33:04 – 2:33:40Speaker 7

So, PARCCS is facilitating, but is not scoring. We got a lot of feedback about representation that should be included on that committee. And we broadly have listed that here on page 16. So, members with experience in arts, which may look like formal education or may look like lived experience based on artistic practice, working artists may be included, it wouldn't necessarily have to be a degree. Members with experience as cultural practitioners or cultural bearers that reflect the demographic diversity in Fresno.

2:33:41 – 2:34:04Speaker 7

Members with experience in arts or cultural education or higher education, such as professors or technical instructors. So maybe not a four year professor, but other art instructors or culture instructors. And then, members reflecting a wide range of generational perspectives. That should be its own bullet, so I'll move that down. But, we want to include representation from youth and seniors, just for that wide range of perspectives.

2:34:04 – 2:34:47Speaker 7

Members with experience in accessibility, which might include experience working with individuals who are disabled or lived experience with a disability, or even familiarity with facility or program improvements that can increase accessibility to expand access. We saw that a lot in the Cultural Arts Plan as being a priority from the community comments in that plan. We also included members residing in diverse neighborhoods throughout the city, including, but not limited to, high esteemed neighborhoods. So, we wanted to have a broad representative group. And then, something that was discussed at length, members residing outside of the city of Fresno, but within the county of Fresno to support conflict recusal processes.

2:34:47 – 2:35:28Speaker 7

So, originally, we proposed to have two members from outside the city in case of conflict recusal. And, there was a lot of feedback about not wanting perspectives from outside the city, although some suggestions included, including Fresno County feedback. So, not within the city proper, but within the county. So, we included that language there. And then, members with experience in nonprofit management, nonprofit formation, financial literacy, etcetera. So, really just a broad range of perspectives to have a really reflective committee. I'll pause there for any comments or questions.

2:35:28Speaker 1

Commissioner Baraza?

2:35:30Speaker 6

No questions. Ahead.

2:35:32Speaker 1

Commissioner Miller? Vice Chair Ward?

2:35:35Speaker 4

None. Thank you.

2:35:37Speaker 1

Commissioner Calia?

2:35:44 – 2:35:58Speaker 6

What was I going to say? I lost my train of thought. Work that you're doing what were you just talking about? What were you just talking about?

2:35:58Speaker 7

The scoring committee being diverse in Fresno County.

2:36:03 – 2:36:36Speaker 6

Yeah, that's it, diverse Fresno County. There was some discussion and back and forth regarding having outsiders come from outside area and bring their expertise in. And there were some people that were like, no, no way. This is our community. We know our community, and we know our needs. So that's kind of a mixed bag right there to draw from. I don't know how we're going to do it, but

2:36:38Speaker 7

Well, we've proposed our recommendation. So we're doing it with your all's collaboration input. So if there's any are there any changes you'd like to see?

2:36:49 – 2:37:26Speaker 6

For myself, the thought of having outside experts come in is a good thought. But I think it needs to be organic and essentially from our own community because they know our people. They know our culture. The outside experts, they have something to offer but I think it's limited. Anyway. Thank you. Thank you.

2:37:28Speaker 1

Commissioner Kercharski? No comment. Thanks. Commissioner Dolan.

2:37:41 – 2:38:12Speaker 5

This looks great. But, as I recall from the last round, it was hard to get participation of qualified reviewers. It was hard to get people show, you know, attendances. I mean, it's a big ask. I think, what did we say, over 160 applications last go round? Yeah. You're asking for 30 people. How do you anticipate recruiting these people? How do you anticipate setting minimum standards of participation?

2:38:12Speaker 7

Yeah, I'm going go over that in the next

2:38:14 – 2:38:31Speaker 7

coming up? Yeah, we plan to So, pay we'll see. Visit your feedback. But on page 16, are we okay to leave the language Yeah, as And move forward? Okay. Good, all right. So page 17, so outreach efforts, Could very good

2:38:31 – 2:38:49Speaker 3

I ask you a quick question? Sure. The question pertains to the role of the subcommittee as it pertains to the application review process. As you know, last year, there was a lot of controversy. And I don't know.

2:38:50 – 2:39:34Speaker 3

And I realize that the commission also plays a role of an appeal body. And that might be the reason why you may get may be able to get too involved. But I think it might be useful for the subcommittee to be an observer without being a rating panel member. Because there were some allegations that were being made that we don't have a way of knowing whether they were true or not. And I just wanted and both our former chair of that committee and our current chair probably may have some ideas of how do we enhance that process, and is there room for some role for the subcommittee to be engaged in that process?

2:39:35 – 2:40:07Speaker 7

So, Commissioner Brazza, we have that question flagged in the handbook of scoring, and specifically whether the commission could help with maybe interviewing and overseeing who goes on the ARC, on the committee that's doing the scoring. So that's still pending a legal opinion because you also are the body that hears appeals. But we were pending that opinion. So that question has been raised.

2:40:07Speaker 1

And that was something that was proposed during our subcommittee meeting, so we're just waiting to hear back. Okay.

2:40:15Speaker 7

Yeah, and you'll see it flagged in the copy of the handbook as we go over that in the next item.

2:40:21Speaker 1

All right, you can proceed on.

2:40:23 – 2:40:54Speaker 7

Okay. On page 17 then, outreach efforts. So, we've listed the efforts that we would use to try to attract a diverse panel. Obviously, emails, media releases, printed flyers at our community centers citywide, promotion and canvassing at Art Hop, but also other large events occurring citywide so that we could attract folks from not just downtown, but other areas as well. We're proposing social media outreach to park program participants.

2:40:54 – 2:41:30Speaker 7

So we have a large and active senior program. We also have a lot of movie night attendees, so kind of going out and seeing if anyone might be interested in applying. We would propose to share flyers with nonprofits, elected officials, the city of Fresno Office of Community Affairs, and then via Peach Jar, which is a system that Fresno Unified uses to send home flyers to parents citywide. We would share flyers with all of you, and then distribute them to local universities via email, but also posted on message boards where students might be likely to see them. So, we're planning a broad range of outreach efforts.

2:41:32 – 2:41:51Speaker 7

And then, to guide the work of the committee in a competitive and transparent process, the Application Review Handbook is listed here. And so, we're gonna go over that as a separate item later tonight. But essentially, that handbook is part of the grant guidelines. So, once you approve this, that kind of goes with. Training and compensation.

2:41:51 – 2:42:45Speaker 7

So, we did get a lot of feedback from the community that those who participated in scoring, it seemed like scores might have dropped off, or they're like, they had other commitments. And so, it was challenging to make sure that they would complete the assignment. So, what we're proposing is that the members would receive compensation totaling $500 for the time that they spend training, reviewing, and scoring grant applications. And then, we've listed there the training that would be required for all of the members. So, they'd have to go over conflict of interest disclosures, unconscious or implicit bias, ethics and public service, an orientation on fair and impartial grant application review, a review of the rubrics with examples and hands on practice to build the comfort with the review process for those who might be new to it, and then training on the handbook, which, again, we'll go over later.

2:42:45 – 2:43:41Speaker 7

But in compensating people for their time, we're anticipating at least a forty hour commitment over several weeks. So, that may reduce some of the barriers and may encourage them to engage and participate. And then, for conflict of interest disclosures, as part of this process, the ARC members, the PRAC members, and City of Fresno staff would be required to complete conflict of interest disclosures and really remain engaged throughout because at the time of application, they may say, well, I don't have any conflicts. And then, when they're assigned the proposals to review, they might be like, I had no idea my cousin is in this proposal. So, it would be a really active conflict review and recusal process that's outlined in the handbook with tools built in so that we can respond and reassign things as needed to avoid any potential conflict of interest, real or perceived.

2:43:43Speaker 7

Any questions or changes on page 17?

2:43:45Speaker 1

Commissioner Barraza, any questions?

2:43:48 – 2:44:20Speaker 3

I noticed that on page I'm sorry, two. It relates to criteria using for project support, there's a category called organizational stability. And where it defines it, it talks about how the applicant organization reflects the cultural, geographic, or demographic diversity of Fresno. Why does that appear in one category and not in the other?

2:44:22Speaker 7

Are you talking about Measure P? The ordinance what page are you on?

2:44:25Speaker 3

Well, it it's on page 20.

2:44:28Speaker 3

not there yet.

2:44:28Speaker 7

We're not at page 20 yet, but that comes

2:44:30 – 2:44:42Speaker 3

I'm directly on the asking, I see it in the future, but you didn't put it on this, the category that you're describing right now called organizational stability.

2:44:42 – 2:45:05Speaker 7

What I'm describing right now is the scoring committee. And the language related to organizational stability comes directly from measure P, and it speaks to the the operating support funding. That's just how the ordinance is written. But, right now, what I'm talking about is the the scoring committee on page 17.

2:45:05Speaker 3

But, in both cases, you need to establish the stability of the organization.

2:45:11Speaker 7

General operating support in the ordinance is supposed to establish the stability of the organization.

2:45:18Speaker 3

So, you would be more likely to fund an unstable organization under that category?

2:45:25Speaker 7

Not necessarily, no.

2:45:30 – 2:45:53Speaker 3

But the part that I'm interested in, and you could address it whenever you get to it, is the proposal clearly describes how the applicant organization reflects the culture or geographic or demographic diversity of Fresno. So, if somewhere you could show me how you evaluate that, I'm interested in that.

2:45:53Speaker 7

Okay. We will come to that when we review the core operating support rubric. I think that's where you're getting ahead of the rotation, but we're almost there.

2:46:00Speaker 1

Commissioner Miller? Vice Chair Ward?

2:46:06Speaker 4

None, thank you.

2:46:07Speaker 1

Commissioner Collier? Commissioner Kercharski?

2:46:12Speaker 20

Nice work on that. No comment. Commissioner Dolan.

2:46:16 – 2:46:51Speaker 5

Sorry, I do have a question. So Shelby, just going up a sort of orbit here. Now we've got to how we're going to motivate and recruit the ARC members. How are we going to choose out of, Okay, we've done a really good job recruiting. And we've got a pool of 100 applicants to be ARC members. Who is doing the choosing to get that down to 30? And who's evaluating their performance so that they qualify for the $500 if Parks is recusing themselves from any engagement in this? And I don't know that you are

2:46:52Speaker 5

Okay. So when I said

2:46:53Speaker 7

that Parks is not scoring

2:46:55Speaker 5

You're not in the ARC.

2:46:56 – 2:47:15Speaker 7

We're not grading the applications. But what's contemplated right now would be those applications would come in, staff would review to try to have a reflective panel based on the guidelines. And then, we would bring those recommendations to PRAC to make it a competitive and transparent process. Okay. Yeah.

2:47:16Speaker 1

No other questions? Okay. You can proceed on.

2:47:20 – 2:47:44Speaker 7

Alright. So, going on to page 18, these are the scoring rubrics. We had copies of these out at the listening sessions to collect feedback. We did see comments and hearing comments from past cycles that the rubric was kind of really high level. It had a range, I think, of one to six, and it was pretty broad.

2:47:44 – 2:48:07Speaker 7

So, when scoring, there might have been some challenges trying to determine what's a three, what's a four, what's a five, and so forth. So, this rubric is very detailed. You'll see along the side there, your copy, I think, is in color. So, you'll see along page 18, it carries over into the following page. But in the blue column to your left, it outlines the scoring criteria and the associated points.

2:48:08 – 2:48:38Speaker 7

This is modeled after grants that we apply for as a city have a very detailed rubric oftentimes, so it helps you when you're writing to know what to include to maximize your points. Cultural arts plan goals are assigned up to five points. And then across the top there, you'll see an incomplete answer might be zero to one, fair, good, great, excellent. So, you'll see that gives some guidance to the reviewer on how to grade. And then the rubric includes an example of what might meet that criteria.

2:48:38 – 2:49:17Speaker 7

So, we will go over with the ARC examples, and they can build practice in scoring. But what's prioritized for project support is achieving the Cultural Arts Plan goals, achieving Cultural Arts Plan grant funding priorities, because the plan itself lists priorities to be funded, achieving Measure P funding priorities, the scope of work being clear and articulate what they're trying to accomplish, The budget being clear as well. I'm flipping over now to page 19. Including an evaluation plan of how the work will be evaluated. Including a reasonable schedule.

2:49:17 – 2:50:02Speaker 7

So, for example, if the project might include something and they're going to do everything in one month, but logistically it needs permits and things, the schedule may not actually achieve what is stated. So, there's points there for schedules that are reasonable. We added in support for Fresno's artists and cultural practitioners, so getting additional points if you include those folks within the scope of your project. And then, at the bottom there, you'll see Expanded Access Arts and Culture being the highest scoring criteria there, up to 10 points based on how the access is expanded. So there's still discretion among the scores, but this gives them a rubric that they can follow for projects.

2:50:02Speaker 7

Are there any questions on those pages 18 or 19?

2:50:06Speaker 1

Commissioner Baraza? No questions on that page. Thank you. Commissioner Miller? Thank you. Vice Chair Ward?

2:50:13Speaker 4

None. Thank you.

2:50:14Speaker 1

Thank you. Commissioner Kalia? Thank you. Commissioner Kircharski.

2:50:20Speaker 1

Thank you. Commissioner Dolan.

2:50:22Speaker 5

No questions or comments.

2:50:24Speaker 1

Thank you. You may move, please All

2:50:25 – 2:51:05Speaker 7

right, say thank you. Okay, page number 20, Core Operating Support Scoring Rubric. I think Commissioner Brazza, had a question regarding this. So, it's laid out very similarly. It has many of the same scoring criteria, but you will see Organizational stability as a different criteria within this rubric. The reason why that's proposed is because the ordinance itself speaks to the goal of operating support as being to support organizational stability. So that is just mirroring the ordinance's language to prioritize that element. So

2:51:05Speaker 3

why do you have it on one and not on the other?

2:51:08Speaker 7

Because the ordinance has it in one and not in the other.

2:51:16 – 2:51:48Speaker 3

As I read on the top, it says operating support applications. And, and I understood that the other one also, it says project support applications. So, it in your opinion, measure p only limits the achieving their objective for the demographic of the community to just this category called operating support?

2:51:49 – 2:52:20Speaker 7

No, that's not my opinion. We mirrored the language in the ordinance that's specific to core operating support. The goal of core operating support is to achieve organizational stability to help with that. The project specific language or project support grants don't list that as an objective in the Measure P ordinance as written. So, the reason we included it in this type of grant is because that's what Measure P states.

2:52:21 – 2:53:17Speaker 3

Well, actually, one of the problems we've had the last two years is that the allocation of cultural arts money for the projects has has left out some areas of the city and District 5 and district Well, the southern portions, Southwest, Southeast have have been getting a very low percentage of those funds. And then we had a discussion in in the based on the wording of Major P, that I understood applied to any category under the culture arts component. I don't think it's limited to these categories that label operating support applications. It applies to and our city attorney can correct me if I'm wrong but it applies to all funding of culture arts projects.

2:53:17 – 2:53:35Speaker 7

So in section D of Measure P ordinance on page five, it specifically says funding for operating support distributed pursuant to this paragraph. Support organizational stability for arts and cultural organizations that reflect the cultural, geographic, demographic, and

2:53:35 – 2:53:57Speaker 7

on. So, in Measure P, it talks broadly about the grant program. But in section D, so section seven, fifteen oh six, B, four, D, it says operating support specifically. So that is why we included in the operating support rubric that specific language.

2:53:58Speaker 3

I don't have the benefit of having the text to

2:54:01Speaker 7

be It's on page five.

2:54:03Speaker 7

Yeah. So, that way you can reference. So up there on page

2:54:13Speaker 3

five I'm sorry, what was the letter you were looking at?

2:54:16 – 2:54:34Speaker 7

D. So it's four, it says Measure P grant requirements, and then Section D, funding for operating support. So, had that said funding for project support, we would have included it in the rubric. But because it's specific to operating support, that's why it's only in the operating support rubric.

2:54:34 – 2:54:48Speaker 3

I would like to go back and look at the measure P, the actual text itself, because I've seen it applicable to to the whole measure P, but I don't have it in front of me. But

2:54:49Speaker 7

That is the text directly from measure P. Okay. It's copy and pasted.

2:54:55 – 2:55:19Speaker 3

I have seen it to be applicable to, especially in the cultural arts category, that it should be, shall be distributed, taking into consideration the cultural, demographics. The way the statement reads there, but the way I saw it applied to all cultural arts funding. I'll have to go back and look at the ordinance again.

2:55:21Speaker 1

Commissioner Miller? Vice chair Ward? None. Thank you. Commissioner Collier?

2:55:32Speaker 6

Nothing at this time.

2:55:34Speaker 1

Commissioner Kircharski?

2:55:36Speaker 1

Commissioner Dolan?

2:55:37Speaker 5

Nothing, thanks.

2:55:39Speaker 1

You may proceed on.

2:55:40 – 2:56:12Speaker 7

Okay. So page 22. We speak about how to apply. So applicants will be required to submit an eligibility screening form by August 15 at 3PM. And we'll have a link available. It's not currently linked, but that will be linked there. You'll see some, in bold, some things that we need to update. So the grant portal will be provided to eligible applicants on date and time. So we'll fill that out. Then all grant applications will be due by September 30 at 3PM.

2:56:13 – 2:56:32Speaker 7

We mentioned a couple of the attachments that would be required at the time of application. And we would not be accepting hard copies or late applications. Questions and technical assistance. Right now, we have the workshops referenced here. We will make them in person with a virtual option.

2:56:32 – 2:57:07Speaker 7

We will review how to apply grant writing examples and tips, how to reference a cultural arts plan, how to develop a budget, and other relevant topics. They'll be recorded and posted for viewing, as I mentioned previously. And then any questions arising outside of the workshop would have to be submitted in writing via email to the email address there. And to ensure a competitive and transparent process, written responses will be published to the City of Fresno website. Written questions will be accepted in writing only up to ten business days prior to the proposal deadline to allow the city, if necessary, to issue any addendum stating revisions, deletions, or additions.

2:57:07 – 2:57:21Speaker 7

And so, to ensure a competitive process, we'd like to have those questions be in writing, and then they'd be posted to the website for any applicant to see so that everyone has access to equal information. Any questions or changes to page 22?

2:57:21Speaker 1

Commissioner Barrazza? No question. Thank you. Commissioner Miller? Thank you. Vice Chair Ward?

2:57:28Speaker 4

None. Thank you.

2:57:29Speaker 1

Thank you. Commissioner Acalia?

2:57:32Speaker 6

Not at this time.

2:57:33Speaker 1

Thank you. Commissioner Kurcharski? No comment. Thank you. Commissioner Dolan?

2:57:37 – 2:58:08Speaker 7

None. Shelby, you may. All right. We're almost there. All right. So, page 23. This section covers appeals. We did update the language so that we could be as clear as possible that appeals could be submitted for any reason whatsoever. So, the appeal would need to be submitted in writing and include their contact information along with a description of the reason. But any reason, even I don't like it, is acceptable to have their appeal heard.

2:58:08 – 2:58:45Speaker 7

We would have ten days from the date that they're notified that they don't meet eligibility, at least ten days. From the notification of not meeting eligibility to apply, we'll also accept appeals if they're not selected for award. So, we will communicate. You can see in the schedule where we have different appeals dates already selected. And then any appeal decision made by the commission would be considered final. So the appeals will come before you, and then you all could work to hear those. Are there any questions or

2:58:46Speaker 5

Shelby, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. You saying that it is the commission who would hear the appeals?

2:58:50 – 2:59:02Speaker 7

Yes. Okay. And, let me go over the other items as well. The regulated communication. So, this is standard language that has been posted before in grants the city has administered, as well as some of the procurement items.

2:59:02 – 2:59:39Speaker 7

We do have a question about whether this regulated communications language would apply to PrEP commissioners. There's a link there about the ordinance. But, while this is open for bid, the proposer should not initiate, engage, or continue any communication to their city elected official concerning any matter which is a subject of this competitive procurement process. So, once this is open, if you're planning to apply, would you need to make sure that you're following this regulated communications. And we did have a question about whether that applies to PRAC that we have submitted for legal review.

2:59:39 – 3:00:02Speaker 7

I don't know, Angela, if you have on page twenty twenty three three of of the the regulated regulated communications. Communications. I have some thoughts on it, but I do want to do some more research just because I was asked the question today and have not had

3:00:02Speaker 19

a chance to review it yet.

3:00:03Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you.

3:00:04 – 3:00:42Speaker 3

Madam Chair, I have a question. Okay. In regard to the appeal process, I'm assuming that there is some other place where we define the basis for an appeal, and maybe the handbook, or because one of the problems we had last time, this commission made a very good recommendation on the basis for appeals. And by the time he got to the counsel level, he got severely diluted. And and, obviously, the counsel has the final word, and I respect that.

3:00:42 – 3:01:00Speaker 3

However, we also have the role of making recommendations of what we think is necessary. And so, is there another place where there is a definition on the basis for an appeal?

3:01:00Speaker 7

We did not define the basis. You can appeal for any reason at all.

3:01:09 – 3:01:25Speaker 7

No criteria. If you don't like the opinion, you can appeal that you don't like the opinion. Like, if if we say this is not eligible because you're not a nonprofit, even if you're not a nonprofit, you could come and say, I don't like it. And then you all could hear that appeal.

3:01:26Speaker 3

Okay. Is that It's gonna make it very difficult, I think, for the commission or

3:01:31Speaker 1

It's always been like that. It always have been like that.

3:01:34Speaker 7

There were some restriction on the basis for appeals previously. So this is more broad. But but people come and make comments at every commission meeting. So it's

3:01:42 – 3:01:57Speaker 3

And and I did see some place where it said that the decision of the commission was final. And then I saw some other place where it says that applicants can also appeal to the counsel. So which one is it?

3:01:57Speaker 7

It doesn't currently say that they could appeal to the counsel. Are you seeing that on a certain page that I might have missed?

3:02:05Speaker 7

Is there a page that you saw

3:02:06 – 3:02:23Speaker 3

No, I don't remember. I saw it. It might have been a draft, or I don't know. But, I think it's important to clarify, applicants can appeal to the commission. Correct. Correct. Can they also appeal to the counsel?

3:02:24Speaker 7

Not as currently written, but what I will do is submit a legal request to see if they could then escalate further.

3:02:31Speaker 3

Just want a clarification of what's in place. And I think the applicants will also want to know.

3:02:41Speaker 1

Can I reason you're asking, can they appeal to counsel for their decision on their appeal or their denial notice?

3:02:51 – 3:03:31Speaker 3

Well, I'm thinking about folks whose application was rejected. And they may have, and the way, if it's open ended the way it is right now, I guess they can just make their case on whatever they think was unfair and just, obviously, the burden is on the, appellant to to convince the hearing office or officer as to the basis for for the appeal. But I just wanted to clarify that because there was an issue last time, and and I just hope that we don't have the same problems again.

3:03:32Speaker 7

We did make the language more broad based on public comment. So hopefully that will help.

3:03:39 – 3:03:57Speaker 8

If I remember correctly, I think the appeal was on the letter of intent. The initial submission is where the community was having questions. That's not a part of this process here. So I think this follows what we've done the last couple years. Are you wanting to see an extra layer on the appeal process or?

3:03:59 – 3:04:38Speaker 3

The appeal wording that was modified was pertaining to the applications for cultural arts grants. So that's what we're discussing right now. So it was not necessarily pertaining to the letter of intent. I mean, the letter of intent is part of the process, but but it was really the folks that were denied the the grant application. But anyway, so it sounds like it's a pretty open process and hopefully that may work. We will see.

3:04:38Speaker 1

Will see. Thank you. Commissioner Miller? Vice Chair Ward? Put on this section, thank you. Commissioner Kalia?

3:04:48Speaker 6

Not at this time.

3:04:49Speaker 1

Commissioner Kercharski? No comment. Commissioner Dolan? No comment. You may proceed on.

3:04:56Speaker 7

Okay. So I'm just gonna speak to the post award requirements that remain on that page. I think we we started talking about appeals, but

3:05:02Speaker 1

Oh, I just went on through.

3:05:03 – 3:05:19Speaker 7

That's alright. I know. Late. I know. We're almost there. So, this section outlines the requirements following grant award. We would require grant agreement, signature authority documents that's standard with the city to make sure that the people signing the contract are authorized to do

3:05:20 – 3:05:46Speaker 7

Vendor update, if applicable, but again, many cycle two are filling that out now. The payment terms that we're proposing is 90% paid upfront and 10% paid upon completion. I know we didn't talk about that at the subcommittee. The commission wanted to see what we would include, so that's what's been added there on number four. And then, funding is for actual costs incurred, so repayment of unspent funds would be required.

3:05:46 – 3:06:25Speaker 7

So, if you got your 90% up front, and it only took 80% to actually complete it, then you would not just keep the remaining funds. And then, insurance will be required. Going over to page 24, since that carries over about the requirements, projects involving construction might have additional requirements, included but not limited to permits, prevailing wage, so forth. TB testing, mandated reporter training, which will include some links for what that type of training could look like. And fingerprint background checks shall be required for projects involving youth.

3:06:27 – 3:06:56Speaker 7

Proof of right of way, owner permission, or other related agreements might be required post award, if applicable to the project. Itemized invoices will be required for payment requests. So, when you request your upfront payment, you'd fill out an invoice. And then, on the back end, you would be tracking expenditures using expenditure reports so that we can account for the funds that were issued. And, again, I'm saying it twice because I want to be very clear that payments are intended for actual costs and have to be substantiated because these are public funds.

3:06:57 – 3:07:29Speaker 7

Copies of paid receipts or paid invoices, time sheets, receipts with other backup documentation, and so forth would need to be submitted with those reports and retained and made available for inspection for three years should we need to inspect the original. A quarterly progress report and a final report will be required. Consistent with prior years, Measure P acknowledgment requirements would apply. We would provide guidance for that. Completion of a risk assessment, which is just a series of questions about financial controls that the city utilizes, would be required as well.

3:07:30 – 3:08:11Speaker 7

The grantee has to operate and offers programs in a non discriminatory manner in compliance with applicable laws, without limitation laws protecting persons with disabilities. They also must provide discounted admission to residents of the city of Fresno for any ticketed or general admission venues. Anything that requires licensure in the scope of work. So, if somebody's proposing art therapy, they would need to include the license numbers in their application materials, but also in the contract, as well. And then, the grantee would be required to share information related to any Measure P funded events or programs, so that we can compile those and have a centralized location where the community can access that information.

3:08:12 – 3:08:36Speaker 7

And then, will be requirements related to disposition of equipment or resale of equipment purchased with grant funds. Those will be outlined in the grant agreement. Confidentiality and nondisclosure and debarment language is standard to city procurement type solicitation. So, those are included as well, and we just indicate that we're subject to the Public Records Act. So, if we do get a public records request, that goes through the city attorney's office.

3:08:37 – 3:08:58Speaker 7

But, anything that is confidential should be marked as such within the application. And then debarment, if you are debarred with the city, meaning you're not able to be awarded a contract, then you would not be eligible to be awarded the grant. Any questions on page 24 or the small portion of 23 that was covered?

3:08:58Speaker 1

Commissioner Barrazza, Commissioner Miller, Vice Chair Ward.

3:09:04 – 3:09:20Speaker 4

I just had a question on the recommended, I guess, funding disbursement since this is something where at the May 13 meeting, it was going to come back with a staff recommendation. Wanted to hear a little more about how the staff recommendation came out at the ninetyten.

3:09:21 – 3:10:03Speaker 7

The past practice that the Fresno Arts Council followed was the ninetyten. And, you know, there are grants that the city gets that are oftentimes more likely than not reimbursement based, so the city incurs the costs. But we can see that that presents a challenge cash flow wise for many organizations, and we're finding, you know, that to be the case right now as we try to address some cycle two. So, there is more risk assumed by doing a 90% upfront payment. But, in trying to formulate how we would logistically do quarterly payments, It didn't necessarily work.

3:10:03 – 3:10:40Speaker 7

Some of the comments that we got from the public was that they might do the bulk of their event in one month, and so they would need the bulk of their funds available to them. So, this is our recommendation, although there are some risks associated with it. There's also the trade offs of operating efficiently and not creating barriers if they don't have the funds available. So, staff took past practice, and then we're hopeful that the risk assessment and the quarterly reporting would help to cue us of any potential issues early on.

3:10:42 – 3:10:58Speaker 4

Okay, great. Yeah, I think that there was a lot of comments that we heard about people hoping to access their funding as much as possible. I think hopefully that'll be helpful to the awardees.

3:11:00Speaker 1

JULIE: Commissioner Acalia?

3:11:04Speaker 10

have any questions?

3:11:04Speaker 6

No, nothing at this time.

3:11:06Speaker 1

Thank you. Commissioner Karacharski?

3:11:09 – 3:11:39Speaker 20

Yeah. Just more generally, this is a question I put to the Arts Council, I don't know, a year ago or something. Was just, I guess, at the end of the projects, how are you is there any sense of project completion review? Did they meet everything that they were supposed to? How does that I haven't seen anything on that on the round one projects or anything.

3:11:39 – 3:12:12Speaker 20

So I don't have any idea if folks are able to complete the projects they put in. What are the status of all the work that's been done or not? And I know we're in this sticky situation for round two, and then we're trying to get round three going. But I guess more generally, what does project wrap up look like if folks complete or don't complete projects? And what I don't know if we've been talking about that at all, because we've just been working really hard and trying to get it out. But I guess I'm just kind of posing it more generally, not saying we need to make any changes on this today. Today.

3:12:13 – 3:12:43Speaker 7

Yeah. Getting a feel for where you guys are at. Yeah, so we requested files that include like final reports from cycle one. Cycle two does have a final report requirement that will be part of the contracts that we enter into with cycle two. Cycle three contemplates the quarterly and final reporting as well, because optimally speaking, what we would be doing is presenting to you some of the achievements and including that in an annual report and highlighting the transformative impacts of Measure P.

3:12:43 – 3:13:02Speaker 7

So, now, to be honest, we are triaging cycle two and cycle three. But ultimately, a healthy program has that reporting feature, and then we can have lessons learned, and we can see the change over time. So, that doesn't really speak to this, but I share that vision. It's just not an immediate thing that we're able to do. Yep.

3:13:02Speaker 1

Commissioner Dolan? No comments. Thank you.

3:13:07 – 3:13:34Speaker 7

Okay. I'll just do twenty five and twenty six together, then. So, we do indicate language about public record requirements, indemnification requirements, as well related to insurance and indemnification of the city. And then, on page 26, we do require applicant disclosure of conflict of interest. We include accessibility and nondiscrimination expectations, as well.

3:13:34 – 3:14:09Speaker 7

And then, there's a short definition section, as I mentioned before, for a couple of definitions that came up. You'll note that culture there, as I stated in the subcommittee meeting, we don't try to do the disservice of trying to define culture in a few sentences. We point to the Cultural Arts Plan, which also agrees that it isn't nearly impossible to try to create a universal definition. And so, we wouldn't even attempt to do so, but we do cite the Cultural Arts Plan to give you a sense of what culture may include. Okay, so that's the end of the grant guidelines. Are there any questions or comments on those last two pages?

3:14:09Speaker 1

Commissioner Barrazza?

3:14:17Speaker 7

Do you have any

3:14:18 – 3:14:36Speaker 1

Do you have any comments? Do you have any comments? No. Okay. Commissioner Miller? Vice Chair Ward. None, thank you. Commissioner Cawley has stepped out. Commissioner Kercharski. No comment. Commissioner Dolan.

3:14:37 – 3:14:59Speaker 7

Okay, so that concludes the overview of the guidelines and thank you for sticking with me as we went page by page. I really wanted to put on the record the different rationales behind it. There's an item later on the agenda that would allow you to recommend with the changes we discussed tonight, or we can come back another time. But that'll conclude this item, and then I'll turn it back over to you, Chair.

3:15:00 – 3:23:02Speaker 1

Thank you. We will take a five minute break, give the commissioners time to do a quick bathroom break, and then we'll jump right back in into our next discussion. Thank you. Hi. I now call this park's arts and recreation meeting back to order.

3:23:02 – 3:23:28Speaker 1

It is 08:45. Discussion item ID 26Dash707. Discussion review of the cycle three draft application review committee, ARC handbook. Will someone from the Parks Department please begin the presentation?

3:23:48 – 3:24:17Speaker 7

Alright. Clerk is updating the presentation. Shelby McNabb, assistant director. I'm gonna go over the Cycle Three Handbook. Purpose of this presentation is to collect feedback on the draft that is attached to this item. This is really part of the grant guidelines, but it's agenda separately just to make sure that we go through it thoroughly.

3:24:18 – 3:24:30Speaker 1

Before you start, can I ask, since that we hold our questions until the end of the presentation for this portion? And once the presentation is over, if we have questions, we can ask. Thank you.

3:24:30 – 3:24:49Speaker 7

Sounds good. So, drafted the handbook to be used to guide a transparent and competitive scoring process. Feedback's welcome in all sections. It's intended to be an attachment, and it's available on the website. And, we wanted to be very strict in the handbook process.

3:24:49 – 3:25:22Speaker 7

Think jury duty, having a very structured process. So, we presented a draft on April 29. There was an online comment portal that was open shortly thereafter through May 8. All listening sessions collected feedback on a scoring process in concept, and then that was used to draft the handbook. We reviewed it again during the subcommittee meeting and with any revised comments received, and the version presented today is that third iteration.

3:25:24 – 3:25:58Speaker 7

So, once again, the handbook has different sections throughout. We're gonna go through the actual handbook itself. And it outlines everything from the roles and responsibilities through a commitment to the competitive and transparent process. Just to give you a sense of the time commitment for the members, we're estimating that the time commitment could be around anywhere between thirty eight hours or more. They have to go through training that could be between four to eight hours.

3:25:58 – 3:26:42Speaker 7

They would have the review and preliminary scoring, which they would do independently using rubrics, which could take thirty to forty hours if we assume about an hour per proposal. Could be shorter or longer for some. And then, the review meeting, which we're proposing to hold in public, based on the current agenda that's in the handbook, could take between four to six hours for each of the review meetings. There's also a graphic that's included in the handbook. I just bring it here, because what we're proposing is that we would have groups A through E, which would be composed of five members each, and then a group of alternates of five members that could be deployed where needed, where recusals might be necessary.

3:26:44Speaker 7

Okay, so we're gonna switch over to the handbook, and this one's much shorter.

3:26:50Speaker 1

For transparency, we are reviewing the current draft that says May 2026 draft.

3:26:58Speaker 1

For transparency for the public.

3:27:00 – 3:27:24Speaker 7

Thank you so much. The draft should stay at the top revised following the five thirteen Subcommittee Meeting. So, all versions are attached to the item. So, we're doing one that has the red draft up top that says, Revise Following the fivethirteen Subcommittee Meeting. I'll give the clerk a minute to pull that up for those who are following along online.

3:27:53 – 3:28:13Speaker 7

So we're looking at the handbook. You're looking at the grant guidelines. We'll want to switch that over. Item '2 707. It should be the third version.

3:28:22 – 3:28:55Speaker 7

It should say at the top, revise following the five thirteen subcommittee meeting. So, it'll have red. Yes. Okay, so page two are just the table of contents. So we'll skip past that, going on to page three.

3:28:56 – 3:29:18Speaker 7

And, Chair, I'll just go over the whole thing, and then we'll take questions at the end. Right? Okay. So, the purpose is to create and conduct a transparent competitive review. You'll see in section two, the roles and responsibilities are outlined for each of different entities that are involved in scoring.

3:29:18 – 3:29:55Speaker 7

So, PRAC would oversee the implementation of the scoring process to ensure that grant applications are reviewed in transparent competitive process. And then, hearing and considering appeals. We're still pending a legal clarification about whether appeals could be heard by a subcommittee or if that would need to occur at the main PRAC. So, we will get that answer as quickly as possible. The review members would need to apply, complete required trainings, review the handbook, review and score the applications using scoring rubrics, and then participate in discussion and submit their final scores.

3:29:56 – 3:30:50Speaker 7

And then, PARCCS' role is outlined here to share the application widely, ensure that the composition is diverse and representative, ensure that they meet the requirements outlined in the grant guidelines, schedule the training and track the training completion, facilitate the meetings as part of a public process, assign ARC groups and applications for review using a randomized process so, that would just be purely randomization and facilitate a structured, transparent, competitive scoring process following the handbook and grant guidelines. We would also be responsible for collecting and monitoring conflict of interest disclosures, assigning alternates, and consulting the city attorney's office's applicable related to those. That's going over to page four, if you're following along. We would collect and anonymize scoring sheets. We would distribute those scoring sheets to applicants upon completion of cycle three, because we got a lot of feedback that folks wanted to see how and why they were scored the way that they were in past cycles.

3:30:50 – 3:31:12Speaker 7

So, doing this would allow us to provide that feedback. We would track attendance and process stipends for the ARC members who complete all requirements of service. So, they would be paid $500 only if they complete all requirements. So, partial completion does not mean they would be compensated. And then, we would respond to questions or issues not contemplated using sound professional judgment.

3:31:12 – 3:31:54Speaker 7

Any such actions should be documented to ensure transparency. So, the member selection and their application process, interested applicants would complete application. They would need to be available to attend. So, at the time of application, we would have prescheduled dates selected or estimated dates so that they could check their calendars, meet the criteria for reviewers based on the grant guidelines, which we reviewed tonight, submit their application on time, and disclose potential conflicts. We would also ask that they demonstrate a commitment to a transparent and competitive process, and not be a board member, officer, executive director, or staff of applicant organizations or fiscally sponsored organizations that are applying for funding.

3:31:55 – 3:32:23Speaker 7

Parks would review the applications and make selections based on the information provided by the applicants. Interviews may be required. And then, applicants or fiscal sponsors that submit a grant application would not be permitted to participate on the ARC. Any interested party not selected may appeal to the PRAC. For conflict of interest, what we emphasize here is not having a conflict of interest that's either real or perceived.

3:32:24 – 3:33:02Speaker 7

A lot of the training that we receive as public servants is that conflict of interest can be, you know, legally a conflict of interest, but you also want to be mindful of potential perceptions of that conflict. So, we list in that section on page four what conflict of interest may look like. On page five, we get into the required training, which I highlighted previously in the grant guidelines. Everything about ethics, implicit bias, orientation, and so forth. I showed you previously the slide of the time commitment, but we're thinking at least thirty eight hours of time that someone would need to commit to, minimum.

3:33:03 – 3:33:42Speaker 7

On page six, I showed you the graphic, as well, of the different groups. But essentially, we would have 30 members, and using randomization, 25 would be assigned. There would be the five trained alternates so that they could step in if there's a conflict or resignation, illness, recusal, or absence. Ideally, each application would be reviewed by five members, but Parks may opt to either increase the number of ARC members or decrease the numbers reviewing the application down to as little as three, based on the number of applications that come in. So, paragraph number five there indicates the process that would be used.

3:33:42 – 3:34:28Speaker 7

So, if we get more than 150 applications, or there's many people who are unable to fulfill the requirement, we would need to seek additional members, or we would need to decrease the reviewers from five to three. On page seven, we talk about the application review and scoring process. So, the park staff would check the application for eligibility and redact applicant contact information. So, on item five there, under step one, we just said that we would redact the contact information of the applicant. But, the applicant organization or fiscal sponsor would not be redacted so that folks could reference that information for conflict of interest.

3:34:29 – 3:35:05Speaker 7

Step two, the grant application assignment and initial review period. So, we would be assigning the applications randomly to the different scoring groups and navigating conflicts of interest. Ideally, each group would be reviewing 30 applications, and they would be split evenly amongst groups. But, obviously, it depends on how many come in. A minimum of twenty days will be allowed, allotted, I guess I'm gonna switch that word from allowed on page seven to allotted, to allow the reviewers to read and score the applications independently.

3:35:06 – 3:35:45Speaker 7

On page eight, you'll see that they would then, they're gonna be instructed to limit their review to application materials that are provided so that they don't independently research or contact applicants to find out more information. They would score and submit their scores to PARCCS. The score would be reviewed to make sure that it was fully completed. And any scores with extreme point spread, this was some feedback that we got. So, let's say one reviewer scored everybody all ones except for one of their applications. Those would be flagged for public discussion during the scoring meetings. They

3:35:45 – 3:36:38Speaker 7

be instructed to keep the materials confidential, and then they need to complete all reviews to participate in the discussion meetings. If they have questions during the initial review period, they may submit clarifying questions that they have to PARCCS via a link To ensure a competitive process, the questions would be limited to clarifying in nature, and Parks would then transmit those to the applicant who would have five business days to respond. And, a copy of the responses would be provided to the Arc members during the review meeting so that they could review what had been submitted. Conflict of interest and recusal is also And it's the expectation that the scores would notify Parks immediately if they identified a potential conflict of interest and need to recuse throughout the entire process, as previously stated. On page nine, step three would be the discussion meeting.

3:36:38 – 3:37:07Speaker 7

So, we're proposing to have those discussion meetings in public. The meeting would last between four to six hours. And, the meeting facilitator would facilitate the group through the proposed agenda, which you see there. There would be periods of time where discussion would be timed to approximately ten minutes per application. Scores will be posted, anonymized, and any discussion that the scoring committee wanted to do could be done.

3:37:09 – 3:37:53Speaker 7

They would not be obligated to comment on every proposal, but would have space to do so. You'll see that the agenda outlines basically multiple sessions throughout that day for them to get through all 30 applications. And, that process would be viewable by Zoom. Public comment will not be taken, and no action should be taken by any party to influence or interfere with the meeting or the scoring process. And to accommodate those who have asked for the ability to attend in person, Parks will make available viewing locations such as the community center, ideally off-site away from the scoring, so that it could be viewed in real time virtually, or you could view it online.

3:37:53 – 3:38:13Speaker 7

It would all be recorded and available. So, if there was any question about what had been discussed, it would be available. After that, the scores would be tabulated and ranked. And they would be divided by the average score. So, if there were five people that reviewed it, they got a score.

3:38:13 – 3:38:44Speaker 7

They each scored them different numbers. You add those together, divide it by five, and that's your average score. Based on the percentage of award that you all recommended tonight, I can update this section to indicate how the percentages would then be awarded for the percentage of funds that they requested. But, we would tabulate and rank it, and then that would come before the commission. And then, just on the last statement there, that we have a commitment to a competitive and transparent process.

3:38:44 – 3:39:06Speaker 7

So, this should be conducted without any interference, and no form of discrimination, harassment, intimidation, or retaliation will be tolerated at any point in the process by anyone and may result in dismissal or disqualification. That concludes my review of the details of the handbook, much faster than the other one. But, happy to take any questions or comments or edits.

3:39:07 – 3:39:24Speaker 1

Thank you. Thank you for the presentation, Shelby. Commissioner Baraza, do you have any comments on this presentation? Do you have any comments on this presentation? No? Okay. Commissioner Miller, Vice Chair Ward?

3:39:24Speaker 4

None. Thank you.

3:39:26Speaker 1

Commissioner Collier? No.

3:39:29Speaker 5

Commissioner Dolan? I do. Shelby, thank you very much for this presentation. I really appreciate this and all the work that you went that you did, and your team did. So, thank you.

3:39:41Speaker 1

You're funny. You said you had a question.

3:39:43Speaker 7

It's a comment.

3:39:45Speaker 1

It's a comment, not a question. I don't have any questions either, Shelby. Thank you.

3:39:51Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you so much. And we will I will make one minor edit to a typo. Okay. Thanks.

3:39:59 – 3:40:23Speaker 1

All right. We will now move on to hearing items. Hearing ID number 26708. Hearing, review and make recommendations from the parks, recreation, and arts commission for the city council's consideration and adoption of the draft guide, draft grant guidelines. Would any member of the public like to make a comment regarding this item?

3:40:23 – 3:40:47Speaker 1

You will have up to three minutes for comment. I did my best to try to separate them out according to the item that you guys wrote on the card. But if I miss you and you wanted to comment on this hearing item that's coming up, please let me know. And I apologize in advance. Johannes.

3:41:03 – 3:41:18Speaker 13

Thank you kindly, Commission. Yeah. So, that was that. I appreciate a lot of the feedback that was incorporated based on a lot of the concerns that the community had. I do want to stress a couple items very strongly.

3:41:19 – 3:42:03Speaker 13

In a moment, I'm sure you are about to hear a lot of impassioned comments from established orgs with annual budgets of over $1,000,000 And they're going have very strong opinions about how unacceptable it is to not allow them to have, by my calculations, about, you know, about 7% of the entire Measure P budget. Where they want they basically want $400,000 each, which would when you carve up the $6,500,000 that only allows like 16 organizations total. You're going to hear you're very likely to hear comments about how there were promises. This actually was spoken at the subcommittee last week. There were promises of consistent funding for them.

3:42:04 – 3:42:48Speaker 13

I think we can all agree that the language of Measure P and the language of this entire purpose of this program is to expand access to arts and culture. Is to be a seed funding, not an entitlement. And I wanna I wanna stress the difference between breadcrumbs, which was what was offered with items of 30% funding to individuals who were supposed to somehow make a project work out of 30% of their funding. The difference between that and 10%, frankly, of all of the Measure P funds, Where an organization said, oh yeah, need 10% of the entire Measure P funds for this year. We need to have it for us.

3:42:48 – 3:43:15Speaker 13

We are entitled to that. I really want to stress that the purpose is to seed, not to entitle. And, in fact, a comment that was made by this commission was concerns that the city budget is attempting to supplant Measure p funds. Measure p Measure p as a whole was designed to expand the access to, to parks and recreation, to set you expand the access. But there's concerns with the with with the commissioners here that the city is like using as a coupon.

3:43:15 – 3:43:55Speaker 13

Well, you have that money now time for me to move it towards police funding or towards other funding, which I agree is something that you must be vigilant against. Likewise, this is meant to expand the arts programming available in this city, not to supplant it. And I want to also stress the idea of frankly self determination. Similar to food sovereignty, art sovereignty. We shouldn't have to be like sprinkled arts programming by the large organizations. You should give it straight to the art artists and the art communities, local art communities that want to do it. That have the ability to do it. Who live in their communities. Know what has been missing from their communities. Know what the communities are starving from.

3:43:55Speaker 13

That's the purpose of the emerging versus the established. And I think 150 is plenty. And I think that the lower 75 is plenty for the emerging to do. Thank you kindly.

3:44:05Speaker 1

Thank you. Next speaker, Christina So to.

3:44:31 – 3:45:19Speaker 23

Good evening, everyone. I'm Christina So to. I wanted to also thank everyone for all of the hard work that's gone into making these amendments to the guidelines for listening to a lot of the feedback. I would like to see or suggest some clarifying language specifically on page five stating section B stating that the grants will be implemented by the commission in partnership with the Fresno Arts Council or its successor. I think that this language is vague.

3:45:21 – 3:46:04Speaker 23

I think there needs to be more specificity in regard to the role that the commission will play versus the other entity whether that's Fresno Arts Council or whoever that is. I know last year one of the concerns that I voiced and I also heard from other members of the community was that there was a lot of back and forth between the subcommittee and the Fresno Arts Council when there was a question directed toward FAC, which I specifically directed as a member of the review committee last year. And I was told, well, we don't make those decisions or we don't make those calls. Subcommittee does. And then when I reached out to the subcommittee, I was told, well, that's not our role.

3:46:04 – 3:47:31Speaker 23

Fresno Arts Council decides that. And so I think that some more clarity on what the roles will be is very much needed. I also wanted to point out what was also mentioned and what a lot of the feedback has been with the intended or unintended advantages that established organizations have in this process, and just echo the sentiments that this is to create some stability, but I think the biggest focus is expansion, especially to organizations and to community to give them better access to opportunities that they historically have not had and that a lot of these established organizations have had and continue to have. As stated by the Parks Department, other grant programs similar actually have much lower thresholds. I don't believe that organizations with budgets over $1,000,000 have a higher need than artists and organizations who have been historically overlooked and underserved.

3:47:31Speaker 23

So I urge you to

3:47:37Speaker 1

Thank you. Next speaker, Alicia.

3:48:01 – 3:48:40Speaker 24

First time I have to raise it up. Hi, evening. Alisia with the Labyrinth Art Collective and part of a group of community members who have really been pushing and advocating for equity throughout the process. So we do appreciate so far the increased transparency in the process and more apparent objectivity and feedback and how we're implementing that feedback that alone is progress I do want to encourage a few just a few items of feedback with what's not I knew this is you know tangentially related, but directly relevant. The folks who have been funded and have not yet been funded, the communication could be more vigorous.

3:48:40 – 3:49:17Speaker 24

And that kind of lends to what is directly relevant to this item, which is outreach. And it's been mentioned before. How are, how are communities, Barraza brought this out too, is how are communities being notified? How are, how are we bringing people in? Let's just put it in lay language. How are we bringing people in not only to the evaluation process, but to the general process? I do also agree with no cap on the fiscal sponsorship. I do want to encourage something of a sole matter here. It's easy to get feedback and kind of meter that all out as equal and neutral. And, that's not to saying to listen to one group over another.

3:49:17 – 3:49:52Speaker 24

But, I encourage you to look at intention and context because that is important. And, when we're looking at what's gone on over the length, over the, over the first few years of this, it's been very disappointing. Hopefully, it's not going to be so much so anymore. But, when we're looking at this perceived tension, I'm gonna be very transparent. I don't disparage any of the established orgs existing. I've patronized them. I continue to. I grew up as a kid finding classical music cassette tapes in my grandma's house on Mono in 11th. So just point that out. I also went to Roosevelt High School in the School of the Arts.

3:49:52 – 3:50:31Speaker 24

And some of us were worrying about drive bys and also going to art class. So art is a pipeline for not just survival, but lifting up the joy of our communities. And I think something very apparent here, and I'm just gonna name the elephant in the room, that we're talking about this distribution issue that's been back and forth. And folks are advocating for a bigger pot of the pie. And it and it has been literally like it was mentioned before. If you give 400 k to about 10 orgs, that's $404,000,000. That's a big port of big slice of the pie. So look at the intent. Look at what people are advocating for. I'm not here to to to fight with anybody.

3:50:31 – 3:50:52Speaker 24

I'm here to argue for equity. I'm an established org. So I should want that 400 k too. But if that means my community is not getting it, that's a no for me. So I am looking forward to more and you know increased progressive transparency and equity through the process. And I think if we continue to listen to what the community has advocated for, that we'll hopefully get there.

3:50:55 – 3:51:06Speaker 1

Thank you. Next speaker, Cami. I think she left. She's not here. We'll move on. Next speaker,

3:51:22 – 3:51:41Speaker 26

Good evening. Thank you so much for this opportunity to speak to all of you. And we appreciate your patience with us as well. I'm here to present the administrative point of view of stability. I am with the Fresno City and County Historical Society.

3:51:42 – 3:52:10Speaker 26

And I handle a lot of the financials and administrative side of sponsorships. The administrative role for fiscal sponsorship is not a drive through. It's a relationship. The time spent with recipients is for them, not for the sponsor. So, the role of fiscal responsibility is thoroughly understood by both parties.

3:52:11 – 3:52:49Speaker 26

The work that goes into it often exceeds far more than the 10 provided. And the historical society goes to great lengths to ensure that accounting standards are upheld to the extent of having separate bank accounts for all of the measure P activities so that retain their individual accountability and transparency and to assist with reporting in a timely manner. This is the responsibility of the fiscal sponsor. It is not just to distribute funding with no oversight, but with mentorship. Fiscal responsibility should be an expectation, not an inconvenience.

3:52:50 – 3:53:34Speaker 26

All fiscal sponsors should mentor their recipients in order to assist them to work towards their nonprofit status. Or if they already have their five zero one c three, help them towards stability and to be responsible stewards. In competitive grants, the outside experts versus locals discussion, this is a separate topic that was brought up earlier. Grant application should require objectivity For the ARC members specifically. Subjectivity is the enemy of every competitive grant process.

3:53:35 – 3:53:46Speaker 26

It lives within the walls of personal bias. That is just the way I see it from an administrative point of view. Thank you so much for your time.

3:53:46 – 3:54:01Speaker 1

Thank you. Next speaker, Mariana. Okay, we will move on. Yeah. Sorry.

3:54:18 – 3:54:55Speaker 27

Good evening everyone. My name is Ariana Vas Chavez and I'm the executive director of Arte Americas. Measure P EAAC was created to support organizational stability for arts and cultural organizations that reflect the cultural, geographic, and demographic diversity of the city of Fresno. The intention here was always stability for our organizations. I'm here today as the executive director's largest and oldest Latino cultural center in our region asking that the max dollar amount for general operating support be increased to at least 300,000 or 5% of the total fund available.

3:54:55 – 3:55:40Speaker 27

If there is interest in spreading these funds as broadly as possible, and I appreciate that that is the objective, I ask that you reconsider the section indicating that projects can take place within Fresno Unified. I wanna remind everyone that prop 28 state dollars exist and I wanna urge my colleagues interested in in school programming to pursue this option for funding instead of measure p for the record my team at arte started our very first in school programs this is something that we believe in And, as a city, as a district, we are low income. So, there's a lot of state money that we can put to work to support our kids in this way, in schools. By asking for an increase to the max dollar amount, I'm not asking you to make my job easy. Fresno is not San Diego.

3:55:40 – 3:56:08Speaker 27

By that, I mean that our philanthropic sector is seriously underdeveloped. This work will never be easy. I'm asking you to make my job and the work of Arthamericas possible in a real and consistent way. Fresno deserves to benefit from a healthy arts ecosystem with organizations that are stable enough to partner, program with, and support individual artists and new organizations. I'm proud to say that ARTE is proof of the sort of growth and progress that is possible.

3:56:09 – 3:56:48Speaker 27

ARTE limped along, relying on project grants for over thirty years. We're scaling now, and we're really not willing to go backwards. I also do want to add that ADHA currently functions as a fiscal sponsor. To that question, 10% is not worth the time or effort that we put in. But it's something that we do because it's the right thing to do. And we believe in the growth of our arts community as a whole. I'll also add that I've sent multiple emails trying to get a meeting to support Arta's current fiscal projects, and I'm looking forward to working with the city and helping them to get their cycle to awards as soon as we can schedule. Thank you.

3:56:48 – 3:57:04Speaker 1

Thank you. Next speaker, Hugo Morales.

3:57:02 – 3:57:48Speaker 28

Good evening, my name is Vugo Morales, and I am the co founder and co executive director of Rade de Bilingue. And we are a Fresno educational radio station and media arts production center offering daily cultural programs multilingually. We promote Latino, Chicano, Indiana music, arts, cultura, health, civic engagement, and our primarily low income audiences. I want to reiterate that this process must address equity across the full spectrum of local arts organizations as we sustain and grow our broader arts and cultural ecosystem to better serve and reflect our city. This includes addressing barriers, limiting access to funds for emerging organizations and individual artists.

3:57:48 – 3:58:52Speaker 28

Radiolingo has a long history of serving as a platform for local artists and culture bearers. They infused our Uruguay's with cultural offerings for Spanish, English, Mixteco, and other indigenous languages for our listener families. Without suggesting anything to take away from the importance of funding for these groups, the very recently proposed cuts in maximum amounts allowed for larger organizations raised very deep concerns for organizations like Radi Bilingue that predominantly center and serve low income communities that have been culturally underserved for Fresno for so long. Our position is that for general operating support proposals, we should increase the maximum funding requests by 50,000 for each category, so that everybody has an opportunity to aspire and have some degree of sustainability. I propose that the city allow organizations to apply for the higher amounts at the time of the proposal submission.

3:58:53 – 3:59:40Speaker 28

I then proposed that the final award amounts to be based on the demonstration of outstanding arts projects that ensure equity, and reflect the language, culture, and traditions of our diverse Fresno communities. Rade the highest concentration of listeners reside in Southeast Fresno. With the escalating targeting of low income immigrant communities at the heart of our organization, and the defunding of public media, Rade Bilingual is counting on Measure P funds to help stabilize our general operations in alignment with goal two of Fresno's cultural arts plan. Now more than ever, Rade Bilingual needs continued robust support to bring our audiences arts programming that fosters resilience, pride, and connection through times of celebration and challenge. Thank you very much.

3:59:40Speaker 1

Thank you. Do we have anyone online?

3:59:51Speaker 2

Samuel, you have three minutes.

3:59:56Speaker 22

Hi. Can everyone hear me?

3:59:59 – 4:00:21Speaker 22

Good evening, everyone. My name is Samuel Contreras, and I'm here because a decision have been made about the arts and cultural funding will impact, you Fresno for a couple decades. This process is supposed to be competitive. Funding is not supposed to be guaranteed. But right now, it feels like a lot of established institutions believe they are automatically entitled to receive the majority of these funds.

4:00:22 – 4:01:06Speaker 22

I believe we truly want to believe in equity, community investment, and supporting the arts across Fresno. We need to create a space with small organization, emerging artists, graduate groups, and underserved communities can actually have a chance. Public funding should not be concentrated in a small group of institutions while other out other everyone else is left left over to five whatever whatever is left left over. I strongly support keeping the funding cap a 150 k per organization that helps to ensure resources can be distributed more fairly throughout the community instead of being concentrated among a few large institutions. If the largest established institutions truly support the mission of expanding arts in Fresno, then this is the moment to prove it.

4:01:06 – 4:01:26Speaker 22

By supporting more equal systems, it means receiving less funding for themselves. This is an opportunity to build a future structure that reflects full diversity, creativity of Fresno, not just organizations that already have the power infrastructure. Our goal is to prioritize fairness, accessivity, and long term equality as you move to the third draft. Thank you for your time.

4:01:35Speaker 2

Derek, you have three minutes.

4:01:46 – 4:01:59Speaker 2

Derek, you have three minutes. I'm sorry, can you try one more time?

4:01:59Speaker 29

Can you hear me now?

4:02:00Speaker 1

Yes. Hello? Yes, can you hear us?

4:02:10Speaker 29

Oh, I can't hear sorry, if you want to come back to me, that's fine.

4:02:16Speaker 1

We can hear you. Can you hear us?

4:02:20Speaker 2

We can hear you if you'd like to try one more time.

4:02:28Speaker 1

We can move on. And hopefully he'll come

4:02:32Speaker 2

back. Micah? You have three minutes.

4:02:41Speaker 30

can you hear me?

4:02:43 – 4:03:43Speaker 30

Okay, I support keeping the $150,000 cap in order to ensure more funding is available for emerging projects. I hope to see more established organizations fiscally sponsor projects and access this money through collaboration. I during this meeting, I found the grantee list and I myself was awarded $30,000 for my project which was music related to help composers, emerging composers from we ended up having people from high school, Fresno City College, and Fresno State get their music professionally recorded. And all that to say, throughout this meeting, I went and I found the grantee list. And out of the 12 organizations that received 6 figure awards, only four of them fiscally sponsored other projects.

4:03:43 – 4:04:34Speaker 30

So that means the majority of them, eight of them received pretty much $240,000 and did not fiscally sponsor anybody else. And so just a thought that I have as an arts educator is that for the organizations that want to access this money and I hear that they you know, it's for general operation operating costs. But in general, to access this money, how cool would it be to collaborate? Like to start thinking of using this money in terms of collaboration. There was only one organization that I saw during this whole measure p process that said, hey, this money's out there.

4:04:34 – 4:05:04Speaker 30

We'll help you get it. And that was Dulce upfront. And I have this great idea. I pulled this off in Los Angeles and I've tried pulling off here in Fresno and haven't been able to do it up until I received their help through fiscal sponsorship. And being fiscally sponsored through a nonprofit for someone like me who is in public arts educator, you know, I I don't wanna say I I don't have time to do it.

4:05:04 – 4:05:46Speaker 30

But what I don't have time to do is to run a nonprofit in addition to being a public arts educator. It's just I I just literally don't have the time. And so through the avenue of fiscal sponsorship, it allows me to partner with these arts organizations to pull off these ideas that I do have that benefit the community, the youth that provide culture and access to these really really great ideas and I'm not seeing it from these big organizations that they are here to collaborate. And you know, I wish it would be different and I hope it is. If I have time left, would just like to say for the ARC members.

4:05:47Speaker 1

Thank you. Next speaker.

4:05:55Speaker 2

Nikki, you have three minutes.

4:06:02 – 4:06:23Speaker 12

Okay. See. I kinda I I agreed with the first maybe couple speakers. I didn't get a chance to hear everybody, but was it? What I was gonna say, see, forgot. I don't really forget. Hold on. Give me a second. I have three minutes. Right?

4:06:23 – 4:06:51Speaker 12

Okay. Is that for people who may like, okay. I understand access for exactly what what what they're saying about the bigger organizations feeling entitled to these funds. This isn't like yeah. This wasn't, like, supposed to be for them to be dependent on.

4:06:52 – 4:07:21Speaker 12

And if anything, if they received funds in the last two years, you would think that they're gonna ask for less money. Because if not, this is just perpetuating some type of dependence, and that's not what we set up for. And $400,000 is a big chunk of money, and it's very telling looking at some of these organizations. I went to ProPublica, and I've seen their taxes the last few years. Actually, there's a few what was it?

4:07:22 – 4:07:59Speaker 12

Somebody who started a nonprofit just two, three years ago. They haven't done their last income taxes, but they're paying themselves a $100,000. The girl that said she needs some more money, and she's the longest standing whatever for the Mexican is that she's paying herself a $100,000. When yeah. These people you are making it. This this is not for you to create well paying jobs. You could do that on your own later. If you wanna help with the arts, that's fine, but, like, it helps a lot with those people who are just starting. So, yeah, more access like that. That's it.

4:08:01Speaker 1

Thank you. Next speaker.

4:08:07Speaker 2

have Mariana. You have three minutes.

4:08:13Speaker 31

Hello, can you hear me? Yes.

4:08:17 – 4:08:48Speaker 32

Good evening. My name is Mariana Carreon, I am the program manager at the Alliance for California Traditional Arts. We just wanted to bring attention to Measure P Ordinance Section seven, fifteen oh six B or E. As mentioned earlier, it states that programs that support and expand diverse public engagement and equity, or programs that support and expand youth engagement and equity. At this time, the proposed guidelines do not adequately address these priorities despite there being opportunities within the guidelines to do so.

4:08:49 – 4:09:40Speaker 32

Just for an example, the application questions, have not yet been made public and should be as part of the adoption of the guideline process, should include criteria related to these statutory priorities. This is important for ensuring meaningful public review of the guidelines and for understanding how applicants will be evaluated. In the last week's EAAC subcommittee, there was a discussion about the definition of diversity, concluding that the city would not be defining it and instead leaving it up to the applicant to identify. But the measure p ordinance does specify specifically address diversity with the following statement. Funding for operating support distributed pursuant to this paragraph shall support organizations organizational stability for arts and cultural organizations that reflect the cultural, geographic, and demographic diversity of the city of Fresno.

4:09:41 – 4:10:22Speaker 32

We do need this definition, is specific to cultural, geographic, and demographic diversity of Fresno to be included in the guidelines to provide clarity. In addition, these priorities should be reflected in the scoring criteria. As currently written, it appears possible for an applicant to receive funding without demonstrating how their program addresses the expansion of diverse public engagement and equity or youth engagement established in the ordinance since this rubric represents only five of the 43 points. We encourage the committee to incorporate these requirements more explicitly into both application process and scoring rubric to ensure alignment with the measure p ordinance. Thank you.

4:10:26Speaker 2

Munira, you have three minutes.

4:10:40Speaker 33

Can you hear me?

4:10:41Speaker 2

Yes. Alright.

4:10:43 – 4:11:26Speaker 33

Thank you everyone who is working hard to fine tune this process. I'm happy to hear that the food was concluded, as that was one direct comment I made in one of the meetings we had. Food is such powerful connecting factor and deeply rooted in culture, healing, and community, and engagement. I would like clarification regarding nonprofits that are not specifically categorized as arts organizations, but regularly contract artists and cultural practitioners to provide services. For example, the organization 3RCHP is a transitional housing nonprofit who is actively fighting against homelessness and focused heavily on mental health, coping skills, and healing centered engagement.

4:11:27 – 4:12:22Speaker 33

One of the three r's is reunification to self, and exposure to arts, culture, music, and creative expression can play a huge role in addressing mental health and emotional well-being within this population. I hope consideration is given to organizations doing this type of impactful community based work through culturally tailored arts programming. I want to again highlight the importance of allowing fiscal sponsors to support as many projects as their infrastructure can realistically manage. Restrictive cookie cutter sorry about that limits may unintentionally decrease access for smaller grassroots organizations, emerging artists, and culturally specific projects. I would also appreciate clarification regarding where fiscal sponsor administration pay or fees are expected to come from.

4:12:22 – 4:13:01Speaker 33

I heard the question raised today, but I did not hear a clear explanation or official verbiage provided. And then last year, I did get letters from all artists I was contracting in my project. And when I went to submit it, it was enough room for me to submit my letters of support and confirmation alongside with proof of my work. So I'm hoping that the new structure will address that area. And then I understand that larger organizations have ongoing programs and operational costs to maintain.

4:13:01 – 4:13:35Speaker 33

I do agree with the 150,000 cap. However, I also believe we need to be mindful of the transition process so that the populations and communities they are currently serving do not suffer during our implementation of this new budget. At the same time, I believe funding structures should still allow more community projects and smaller organizations to be served. Expanding access helps strengthen cultural engagement across the entire community, not just within larger establishments and institutions. Thank you.

4:13:38Speaker 2

Thank you. We have Derek. You have three minutes.

4:13:47Speaker 29

Hello. Can you hear me now?

4:13:50 – 4:14:02Speaker 29

Hear you. Alright. Fantastic. So Derek Payton with Root Access Hackerspace. I have three points related to the NTE code eligibility requirement for general operating support.

4:14:02 – 4:14:36Speaker 29

I ran into some of these issues in cycle two. Ultimately received some clarity after a mind bogglingly unhelpful email thread with FAC at the time, and I'm hoping to add some clarity to this process for cycle three. First, the guidelines direct applicants to verify their NTEE code with the IRS's tax exempt organization search page. But that tool does not actually display NTEE codes. And any applicant who goes there will find no information about the NTEE code.

4:14:36 – 4:15:30Speaker 29

The correct source is the IRS exempt organization's business master file, which is a downloadable dataset but not a search page. And I would ask that the guidelines be corrected to point applicants to the correct resource. Second, NTE codes are self reported by organizations on their 10/23 application and can be outdated or mismatched to the organization's actual work. The National Center for Charitable Statistics, the very body that designed the NTEE system, estimates that roughly 25% of codes are incomplete or inaccurate and explicitly cautions against using them for individual organizations without additional context. GC Insights puts the cross source discrepancy rate at closer to 33% when comparing the IRS record, the NCCS record, and what the organization's actual mission statement describes.

4:15:30 – 4:16:20Speaker 29

Changing an NTE code, with the IRS requires a written request, to the correspondence unit in Cincinnati, and that can take ninety days or more. Given all of that, we need clarification on if Park staff will be verifying those codes against the IRS business master file, against something like Candid, which is what the, FAC did, in cycles one and two. And, also, Candid allows organizations to list up to three codes on their profile or if both are an option or if there's something else entirely that park staff is looking to do. And then third and relatedly, the guidelines do offer the alternative of organizational articles of incorporation or another state or federal designation to demonstrate arts or cultural status, which is something that I super appreciate. I'm glad that that's in there, because that would have been a lot helpful in previous cycles.

4:16:20 – 4:16:34Speaker 29

But I would request further clarity on what documentation would satisfy that alternative path and whether park staff will be applying a consistent standard across those options. So and that's that's all I have on that. Thank you.

4:16:38Speaker 2

We have no others online.

4:16:40 – 4:16:55Speaker 1

Okay. Before I close out this section, I know that it can be a little confusing. So I would like to go back out to the public because some of the numbers are mixed up. So the first person I wanna call is Elizabeth LaFalle.

4:17:00Speaker 4

I'm a little taller.

4:17:03 – 4:17:46Speaker 34

Thank you, Prak. And I want to say to the city staff, well done grappling with an incredibly difficult situation. I think that all of us in the audience, everyone, feels better about the ARC guidelines than we've ever felt before. As an established organization, I would just say that I don't feel entitled to anything. We feel honored to be part of this measure p, and it's something as Fresno and the Valley's oldest registered nonprofit, one hundred and seven years, we've been serving this Valley.

4:17:47 – 4:18:38Speaker 34

Fresno is the ninth most diverse city in the entire country, and it's important that our projects and our art always reflect that. That's why we've chosen to be a fiscal sponsor for particularly projects in Southeast, Southwest, and Central Fresno. Unfortunately, I have to say that putting the cap for us at 150, when it was 400 last year, and before that it was 300 plus we could apply for a project, The cap for projects always been 150 for established orgs. But the cap for gen ops has always been greater. I assign a staff person who was here earlier but fell ill.

4:18:39 – 4:19:09Speaker 34

She spends over 50% of her time managing our fiscal sponserees. That's besides the administration. We believe seriously that there should be some benefits to organizations in the scoring rubric, not just for hiring artists, but for being a fiscal sponsor, because it is a huge amount of work. It takes a lot of great time. We're always grateful to our projects.

4:19:10 – 4:19:45Speaker 34

I would like to see there be some more of the scoring rubric that says, what are the projects you've accomplished? Think of our fiscal sponsors. The sponsorees are getting the reach of this organization to make sure that their projects also reach every corner of this incredible city. So in conclusion, I would ask that you revisit the cap, make it make sense to the organizations who are not entitled or honored. Thank you.

4:19:45Speaker 1

Thank you. Next speaker, Steven Wilson.

4:19:58 – 4:20:44Speaker 35

Good evening, commissioners. First of all, I want to thank Shelby and the Park staff for their exceptional work moving all of the documents we're discussing here tonight forward so quickly. It is truly only because of their efforts and their commitment to transparency that the very real policy issues at play have been identified so clearly. The policy issue that I want to address tonight, like my other colleagues, is the proposed cap on general operating grants of $150,000 This represents a substantial cut in the amount of Measure P funding that would be available for the largest arts organizations in Fresno. One of the explicit goals for Measure P is to promote organizational stability.

4:20:45 – 4:21:49Speaker 35

In her written comments on the cycle three grant guidelines, Vice Chair Laura Ward proposed a cap of $300,000 on grants, which would amount to no more than 5% for a single organization. This would be $100,000 less than the cycle two cap of $400,000 I would fully support this recommendation to set the cap at 300,000. Several of the established organizations have large budgets because we are executing a substantial amount of arts and culture programming, which serves thousands of city residents and visitors throughout the year. Our expenses are large because we pay artists, staff, production personnel, curators, and others critical to the cultural the cultural environment here in Fresno. The metrics of success for Measure P should be about the impact grant funds have on city residents, not only the number of organizations funded.

4:21:50 – 4:22:27Speaker 35

Organizations of all sizes are doing important creative work in Fresno. Smaller and emerging organizations absolutely deserve to be funded and funded generously, but there has been too much focus on organizational revenue and not enough on organizational impact. The so called established organizations all operate on extraordinarily thin margins. It is completely incorrect to say that we don't need the Measure P money. I would remind the commission that the Met Museum would have been considered an established organization.

4:22:28 – 4:22:51Speaker 35

It no longer exists. Fresno Grand Opera was an established organization. It no longer exists. Stage Works Fresno was an established organization. It no longer exists. Being established is no guarantee of long term stability. Therefore, I would urge that the cap be set at $300,000 Thank you.

4:22:51Speaker 1

Thank you. Next speaker, Michelle. Good

4:23:05 – 4:23:43Speaker 36

evening commissioners. I'm Michelle Ellis Pracy and I'm executive director and chief curator of the Fresno Art Museum. I've stood before you many, many times over the last few years. And I stood before the subcommittee on Wednesday evening, a few days ago, to voice my concern that there is no longer a dissemination between established organizations and emerging organizations. There's no longer a dissemination between how much is allotted a project grant and how much is allotted a general op grant.

4:23:43 – 4:24:02Speaker 36

And that the $130,000 is now only 15% of our entire budget. Established organizations have big budgets. We don't necessarily have big revenue. I think that's misleading when it says that our revenues are over 1,000,000. Our budgets are over 1,000,000.

4:24:02 – 4:24:37Speaker 36

And every day of every year, we try to raise that million to meet our expenses. We don't have a pot of gold sitting there and then look at it and say, oh, how can I spend this this year? No. We see the expenses, we think, how am I going to raise that this year to keep my museum or my music endeavor or my theater endeavor or my cultural arts endeavor alive. So I would like to see that changed by Shelby or the city, that you don't call us institutions with revenues of $1,000,000 We have to find it.

4:24:37 – 4:25:08Speaker 36

And we fall short. I'm not sure in 'twenty 05/2006 that I will see the $1,000,000 And for $150,000 cap, we never see the total amount we ask for. We never see the $400,000 or the $300,000 we ask for. We get a percentage so that everybody can share in the revenues that are brought in by this tax initiative. So we received $240,000 which means my budget for EAAC had to be cut in half.

4:25:09 – 4:25:47Speaker 36

I couldn't hire a development director. I couldn't hire a marketing firm. I couldn't give raises. It basically paid for my PG and E bill and other building needs so that I can stay open seven days a week. For Fresno people, for the most part, and the 15,000 students that we educate five days out of the week. So I would like the cap to also be reconsidered at $300,000 because we know we're not going to see that. But it would certainly be better than $150,000 cap in seeing only half of that. And we could continue our programs the way we have. Thank you very much.

4:25:47Speaker 1

Thank you. Next speaker, Nicole.

4:26:00 – 4:26:14Speaker 37

Hi, yes, thank you. I'm gonna try not to speak through chattering teeth too much. I've been sitting here freezing all night. I'd like to say good evening, and thank you, board chair and the entire panel, for the opportunity to speak. My name is Nicole Owens.

4:26:14 – 4:26:52Speaker 37

Before serving as executive director for Warner Center for the Performing Arts, I spent my entire adult life as a performing artist and as a cultural arts educator. I'm here to address the recommendation to set a limit of 150,000 to established arts organizations. What concerns me is that the current discussion risks overlooking the role that anchor institutions play within Fresno's arts infrastructure. Organizations like Warner's are not simply larger nonprofits. We are public cultural infrastructure.

4:26:53 – 4:27:42Speaker 37

Many smaller and project based organizations do not own buildings, maintain hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of technical equipment, carry insurance for major public assembly spaces, employee operations staff, etcetera. They do, though, rely on shared infrastructure within the community. Anchor institutions absorb those operational burdens so that broader arts ecosystems can function. There seems to be a misconception that large arts arts organizations have bloated budgets and are seeking to take money from smaller organizations or individual artists. It's important to consider that some of our community's larger arts organizations are directly supporting an outsized number of artists and providing access arts programming.

4:27:45 – 4:28:29Speaker 37

Our organization operates under significant financial pressure and continues to rely on donations, sponsorships, memberships, other grants to remain operational. Measure P was created to expand access to arts and culture for the residents of the city of Fresno. And that mission cannot succeed if infrastructure supporting that access becomes unstable. Specifically, goal two in the cultural arts plan states that the desired outcome is to stabilize, restore, and activate cultural arts organizations and assets. If anchor institutions are weakened, the effects ripple outward, fewer venues, fewer opportunities, fewer partnerships, and fewer accessible cultural experiences for the public.

4:28:30 – 4:29:04Speaker 37

Equity should not mean treating fundamentally different organizations as though they carry identical responsibilities. Equity should mean recognizing the different roles that organizations play within the ecosystem and fund accordingly. A thriving arts organization or, excuse me, ecosystem requires support for emerging organizations and individual artists, absolutely, But it also requires sustaining the institutions that provide the physical and operational foundation upon which so much of the community depends. Thank you.

4:29:04Speaker 1

Thank you. Next speaker, Ashley.

4:29:23 – 4:30:18Speaker 38

Okay, hi. I wanted to express my serious concerns regarding the inequity and favoritism I witnessed during the conversation about the general operating funding process, particularly surrounding legacy organizations. During the subcommittee meeting on May 13 at approximately three hours and nine minutes into the recording, a representative from one of the established org stated and I quote, we were made to believe that we could safely hire employees and expand services to the arts and culture community with stable annual funding. That statement should concern everyone in this room it suggests that promises or expectations of ongoing funding may have been communicated outside of the formal grant process in that same meeting we heard from emerging organizations that they're they're still struggling to just understand the process and access these opportunities while legacy organizations appear to have had separate conversations with stakeholders where annual funding expectations were discussed in advance. That is not equity that is favoritism.

4:30:19 – 4:30:56Speaker 38

These are the same inequitable patterns that were allowed to persist under the Fresno Arts Council's leadership and they cannot continue. Capping general operating funding and distributing source resources more broadly across organizations and community projects are among the few ways that we can create a truly equitable funding structure and repair the disparities that have already taken root in the process. We are hearing some legacy organizations believe supporting sponsored projects is too difficult while others like Dulce Upfront are already doing so successfully and transparently. I am physically sponsored by Dulce Upfront. Through that partnership, I have access to mentorship, transparency and accounting to support.

4:30:56 – 4:31:33Speaker 38

I also was able to establish a five zero one c three. In speaking with many of my peers sponsored by legacy organizations, they do not receive the same level of frequency of support, despite some of those organizations sponsoring far fewer projects. Dulce Upfront supports nearly 10 times as many projects, while still providing stronger access and accountability through the implementation of new technologies and a community focused approach. Just because they can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done. The fact that their comments were taken so seriously it made in into early drafts points to a system that rewards access and relationships over equity and community need.

4:31:33 – 4:31:44Speaker 38

The community needs fair distribution of funds and access to fiscal sponsors. I urge you to do right by the people of Fresno and expand access to arts funding for the full community not just a select few. Thank you.

4:31:44 – 4:32:03Speaker 1

Thank you. Next speaker. V. Simonean. I hope I said that right. I'm sorry.

4:32:10 – 4:32:27Speaker 39

Thank you. Thank you. My name is Varjohn Der Simonian. I am the founding member of the Armenian Museum of Fresno. Last year, we established another gallery downtown Fresno on Fulton Street to be accessible to the public in general.

4:32:28 – 4:32:56Speaker 39

Excuse my voice. My sincere appreciation to committee members for your diligent work and and transparency dialogue with the artist and committee members here in Fresno in preparation for the third cycle of measure p grand cycles. We realize the committee has the responsibility to import implement ordinance set by the measure p initiative.

4:32:56Speaker 1

Initiative. In that regards, I want to

4:32:59 – 4:33:43Speaker 39

thank you for providing the opportunity to cultural organizations and individual artists to express ordinance themselves in this transparent process. My appreciation my appreciation clarifying statement by made by associate director Shelby last week and today that measure p grants funds are in are intended for five zero one c three org organization. It took us twenty five years to be called so called established organization, and that twenty five years was not with funds but total volunteer work. I ask myself, what is established? May I ask you?

4:33:44 – 4:34:30Speaker 39

Is it having a track record year after year, month after month, volunteering to do the work, or barely surviving? As my colleague said earlier, we barely survived for twenty five years. Thanks to the grants that we received from measure p, had over 60 artists directly funded from the measure t program that we were managing it, directly funded, and they did not have to worry about administrative overhead or expenses. As a fiscal agent, we also provided our services to local organization as well. I can comfortably say that I am not a million dollar organization nor a half $1,000,000 below that.

4:34:30 – 4:35:07Speaker 39

However, to have an administrative funds cut as much as it is right now, it is gonna be very, very challenging, challenging, not only for myself, also to establish organizations as you call it. I would really urge you increasing the administrative operating expenses if it's possible. Again, I apologize my voice. If there's anything else, I'll be happy to talk. But I think you guys heard a lot. I do appreciate what you guys are going through. It is not easy. I understand that. It's a process that you have to help small organizations, but you cannot ignore the ones that have been serving you for over one hundred years. Thank you.

4:35:10 – 4:35:27Speaker 1

Thank you. Before I close out public comment on this item and we go on to the next hearing, does anyone else have any comments? Okay. So you want this one or you want the 646 because you have a car for $6.40 Was

4:35:28Speaker 10

this not for $6.46?

4:35:30 – 4:35:45Speaker 1

No. This is not $6.46. This is $7.00 8. You can go. But I was just saying that you have a card for 4646. And this is item we're still commenting on the guidelines.

4:35:45Speaker 31

What is the current agenda item right now?

4:35:48Speaker 1

The guidelines item. ID number 26708.

4:35:54Speaker 31

Yes. Actually, that is the one I wanna comment on.

4:35:57Speaker 1

Okay. I just wanted to make sure.

4:36:04Speaker 1

can you state your name, please?

4:36:06 – 4:36:32Speaker 31

Alrighty. Hello, commission. My name is Sahasa Wadi Samsaksi, and thank you for your time. I'd also like to thank you for taking in the feedback comments into how political foundations will defined, I would like to iterate again from my public comment from last week's subcommittee meeting that there needs to be an emphasis on diversity within the Cultural Arts Plan's vision. Adding on to my own comment, the grant guidelines must also emphasize the uplifting of emerging artists that exist here.

4:36:32 – 4:37:45Speaker 31

I'm out here pleading for the emphasis on diversity and uplifting emerging artists because we have seen from the Fresno Arts Council and historically many other institutions try to assert themselves as governing bodies of what arts and culture is, and ultimately excluding and rejecting many emerging culturally vibrant projects in favor of the interest of organizations who have maintained the status quo, which goes against the Cultural Arts Plan's vision of being inclusive, accessible, and reflective of the community here. Black and brown community creations have been belittled down to just tacos and trinkets, braiding and styling black hair not considered to be cultural art, and multiple grant writing and learning opportunity products for black and brown people who can't reach the usual institutions that hold this knowledge being rejected for not being culturally relevant enough. As I emphasized before, there needs to be language and frameworks explicitly emphasizing the diversity of Fresno arts and cultural richness outside of page five twenty six and scoring rubrics so that the language can be more accessible to not only emerging artists and organizations, but also the application review committee and higher governing bodies. And so that higher governing bodies do not consider themselves as culturally irrelevant or political.

4:37:45 – 4:38:22Speaker 31

Despite the language from Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, many culturally centric projects have been rejected by the FCC. What's stopping this from happening again? Also, on a different note, I'd also like to highlight that multiple organizations who have argued for increasing the maximum funding have also admitted in these meetings to utilizing a significant amount of these funds they have been awarded for their general operations when these funds are supposed to be specifically for projects that expand access to arts and culture in the city. I hope you information take into consideration when considering a raise in the maximum award cap. Thank you.

4:38:24 – 4:38:40Speaker 1

Thank you. Yes, I'm getting to that item next. Before I close, I've seen Omei was coming down. Do want you to speak on this one on the guidelines? Yeah. Okay.

4:38:44 – 4:39:47Speaker 21

I've done a lot of reflection, a lot of thinking, a lot of processing over a number of years and through my relationships with folks, whistleblowers I guess you'd say, with the city government, city officials, Fresno Arts Council, various nonprofit organizations in here that have staff or have had staff that have worked for them, that have shared their concerns whether it be young people or elders. They have asked me to look and poke around to gather information and I've done that. There's a lot of history when it comes to this money. And it didn't start, as you all know, with measure p. There's a lot

4:39:47 – 4:40:24Speaker 21

families involved that come from wealth. There's a lot of webs and connections. There's a lot of you take this, I take that, you do this, and I give you that. There's exchange of access, resources, power, influence, money. Nobody has mentioned Lilia since she got fired.

4:40:26 – 4:41:03Speaker 21

Why? Y'all know why. Lilia sell people down the river, but this all began in the nineties. Artie Americas getting $7,000,000 just the year before this money was accessible. The historical society bumping up their money from not being close to 1,000,000 and just the next year having access to be able to be considered this established to have all this money.

4:41:03 – 4:41:36Speaker 21

The same thing goes for the Fresno Art Museum. We all know what's up. I don't have the same names, But that threshold going past $1.50, you already know what you're gonna do because there's been back end conversations. And you already know that if you don't do what you need to do, potentially, you won't have access, power, influence. Some of y'all this doesn't matter to you because you're part and connected to that power and access.

4:41:39 – 4:41:53Speaker 21

There's so much more I could say names, families, relationships, and I'll not say it here. But we're talking about illegal colluding. Don't give me that.

4:41:56 – 4:42:38Speaker 1

Thank you. Thank you. Please, please, please, please, please. Okay, I I I this is alright, this is it, this is it. It's late. Can you call security Aaron? Because I'm asking to be respectful, let's be nice, let's not have these conversations. These conversations can be had outside of the chambers. Let's get to everyone who's been waiting patiently to make comments, please. So I'm gonna go ahead do you wanna comment on this? Because I'm gonna go ahead and close public comment on this item.

4:42:48 – 4:43:30Speaker 40

This my first time here. My name is Edna Collins. The reason I'm coming up here is I'm hearing all of this. And I think it, to me, and what I'm hearing, is we need to have some surveys. Surveys done on some of these companies that have been in existence for a long time. I know when I had my first nonprofit way back in the 70s, we were they were very rigid. You get so much money for so many years, and that's it. And then you have to go on your own. Nonprofits are not supposed to be paid. They're supposed to raise funds.

4:43:31 – 4:43:55Speaker 40

A hundred and eight year old company that is strictly what I've seen, I've just been back home for ten years, but what I'm seeing is that they're centered on certain groups of people. I made comments that, what about the Indians? What about the Mexicans? I mean, we're all here together. And, we all deserve a little bit of information.

4:43:55 – 4:44:31Speaker 40

So, I think you really need to have a survey because I don't appreciate my historical background being put over at the Kearny Park or any of those places. That doesn't reflect my group. So I really think instead of having arguments, we should have surveys to find out what the public wants. Because I would bet, 100%, people like myself wouldn't want our information housed in those type of areas. And you need to put a cap on everybody, really.

4:44:31 – 4:45:00Speaker 40

Emerging, we have a whole group of individuals, young folks. They have a different viewpoint of what's going on in their reality. And they need to be able to express that. They're going to be the ownership of all the organizations in a very short period of time. And then the other thing about this physical sponsorship, I'm a foundation.

4:45:01 – 4:45:37Speaker 40

Perhaps the best idea is to get a nonprofit that just helps those type of people that need to have a physical sponsor. And that's all their job is. It's just a couple ideas. All right? Because I don't like to see the fight. And I might just put people down. But I've just been on the outside looking in and what the reflection is. It's not equitable. And we need to start involving all the citizens. Okay? That's all I have to say. Was prepared. Thank you for the

4:45:37Speaker 1

Thank you. Will now close public comment on this on this item. Do you have a card?

4:45:42Speaker 41

I do. Robert Mollison.

4:45:44Speaker 3

Thank you. Thank you.

4:45:49 – 4:46:20Speaker 41

Good evening everyone. My name is Robert Mollison, and I'm the president and CEO of Valley PBS. Tonight's actually a pretty sad night for me. I've never thought I'd live to see the day that public media would be basically considered the big bad wolf to anyone in the art community, any art organization. For nearly fifty years, Valley PBS has helped tell the story of Fresno through arts, culture, education, and local storytelling.

4:46:21 – 4:46:41Speaker 41

Our station is based in Fresno. We have partnerships here. Our productions are created here. Our investments in the arts and cultural life is in this city. But we don't just support arts and culture, we help create it, produce it, and share it with audiences throughout Fresno every day, free of charge and accessible to everyone.

4:46:41 – 4:47:12Speaker 41

We highlight local artists, performers, musicians, cultural traditions, community voices from neighborhoods all across Fresno. We want to be a partner, a platform for local artists and cultural organizations by helping tell their stories. Showcasing their work and connecting Fresno's creative community with the broader audience. We also provide arts and cultural programming and educational outreach that impacts family and children throughout the city. We're excited.

4:47:12 – 4:47:46Speaker 41

We're producing a new show called Central Groove, where Fresno area musicians perform in a studio and are featured in high quality broadcasts to share their music to the community. I am deeply concerned about the proposed cap to funding for operational expenses at a $150,000. The proposed guidelines talk about organizational stability, cultural diversity, youth engagement, and expanding public access to arts arts and culture. Those aren't just goals to us. They're the work that Valley PBS has been doing for decades.

4:47:47 – 4:48:22Speaker 41

Previous Measure P funding has helped Valley PBS continue creating and sharing arts and cultural programming, educational arts reach, and local storytelling to families. But providing that level of access and community service requires significant operational support, especially at a time when Valley PBS is facing the loss of nearly $1,000,000 in federal funding. Fresno benefits from museums that are strong. When theaters and performing arts organizations are strong. When public media is strong.

4:48:22 – 4:48:47Speaker 41

These institutions help preserve culture, inspire creativity, educate future generations, and help define an identity to a city. I respectfully ask that you consider the proposed cap reduction, reconsider the proposed cap reduction, and continue investing in a way that supports a strong, sustainable, and collaborative arts community for all of Fresno. Thank you.

4:48:47Speaker 1

Thank you. I will now close public comment. And before I move on, you are you wanna make a comment on the guidelines? Okay.

4:49:03Speaker 14

My name is Thomas Lauenheim. I have a card there.

4:49:07Speaker 13

Thank you. I am

4:49:07 – 4:49:38Speaker 14

the music director of the youth orchestras of Fresno, and also a professor of music at Fresno State. I would like to also be in support of raising the cap over a $150,000. Large and established organizations serve a lot of people. We have students. We have staff. We have coaches. And, of course, our audience members. All this fund is coming directly back to our community. We have had seventy six years of displayed excellence in our community. The impact on our community is huge.

4:49:38 – 4:50:07Speaker 14

We are teaching students. We have over two twenty five students come on a weekly basis to rehearsal with a very extremely wide, diverse student body. We're giving jobs to a lot of people, including 30 coaches. We are serving a large number of the community where we have over 750 people come to each and every one of our concerts, and we have a lot of concerts every single year. In addition, therefore, we need a larger budget in order to support all of our activities.

4:50:07 – 4:50:52Speaker 14

Expenses keep going up. We have to rent rehearsal space, concert halls, music rentals, instrumental rentals, coaches, and we have a lot, a lot of scholarships. I would like to also, for example, to give an example that if last year we had our seventy fifth anniversary concert. If you want to rent the Saroyan Concert Hall, I mean, that one is almost $25,000 per concert. If you rented a Shogun Hall, it is close to $5,000 for every single concert. That's just the concert hall rentals. I would also like to encourage the commission to consider quality. Quality is an important part of this grant process, as well as consistency. Like I mentioned, we have seventy six years. We provide high quality concerts and very high quality education.

4:50:53 – 4:51:30Speaker 14

A 100% of our students who graduate go to college. That shows excellence and dedication. Youth, the youth orchestras of Fresno is one of the top youth orchestras nationally. And, the FUSA festival that is part of our organization also tops as top 10 festivals in The United States. Having a national and international reputation brings the city of Fresno up, and brings our community to the knowledge of the world. This year alone, we already sponsored four concerts. And we have another one coming up in May. We have an international music festival. We have videos on YouTube that show and demonstrate the excellence. We have international artists come here to inspire our youth.

4:51:30 – 4:51:55Speaker 14

And we have collaborated with numerous arts organizations to support the arts in Fresno. Our budget is high, and we would like to have assistance to continue doing so. I would like to invite everyone to come and witness on May 31 at 02:30PM at the Chagoyan Hall, to come and see the incredible level that our own youth here in Fresno has reached, and to see the diverse community that we serve. Thank you very much.

4:51:55Speaker 1

Thank you very much. I will now close public comment on this item. On the guidelines? What's your name?

4:52:05 – 4:52:35Speaker 42

Carmela Sosa. Is that okay? Okay. Thank you. My name's Carmela Sosa. I'm here as a pediatrician and board president of the youth workers of Fresno. I would also like to respectfully request a reconsideration of the funding cap for large organizations, established organizations, such as the youth orchestras. Doctor. Lowenheim already touched on a number of points, so I will keep that part small. Our concerts are provided free to the general public.

4:52:35 – 4:53:13Speaker 42

We do not turn any students away who for inability to pay. We have three orchestras with the over 200 students that Doctor. Lowenheim mentioned. And again, those are down to age five. We do not turn anybody away for inability to pay. We have a lot of operating expenses. Doctor. Lonheim mentioned a number of music coaches, etcetera. We have one FTE one point zero administrative staff. We considered being a fiscal sponsor, but running three orchestras, managing all of the concerts, etcetera, was really impossible for us to do so.

4:53:13 – 4:53:56Speaker 42

So I would like to ask for some consideration on revisiting fiscal sponsorship and allowing organizations to continue to support the emerging organizations with assistance. And then a couple of other comments. Commissioner Barrazza had mentioned, I believe you had asked a question if there was a minimum or a passing score on the scoring rubric. I think it's important to have that as someone who has applied for a number of grants on my and written grants on my own, been declined, as well as funded, and funded in part. I think it's important that there's a minimum scoring rubric so that we can ensure the priorities of measure P are met.

4:53:56 – 4:54:43Speaker 42

Because it sounds like it could be potentially an organization that scores nine points or 10 points could potentially be funded if there were additional funds. But that doesn't help our organizations who are emerging that might not know how to write grants. I think we need to provide extra support for them as well. On the AHRQ members who will be reviewing the applications. Since they will not be all reviewing all of the applications, I would just like to urge some inter rater reliability to make sure that even though people are receiving training on implicit bias, that we can ensure that rating is consistent across the board.

4:54:43Speaker 42

Alright, thank you.

4:54:44Speaker 1

Thank you. For the same item?

4:54:47Speaker 40

Yes. Maria Briggs.

4:54:49Speaker 1

Thank you, Maria. You have three minutes.

4:54:56 – 4:55:40Speaker 25

Dear commissioners and fellow Fresno community leaders, firstly, I want to acknowledge that every organization represented here today, whether newly formed or long established, is here because of a deep commitment and passion for serving the Fresno community through arts, culture, parks, and accessible public spaces. These organizations are not in competition with one another in spirit. They're all doing meaningful and necessary work for our city. I hope the conversation around funding does not unintentionally create divisions between grassroots emerging organizations and so called established organizations because both are essential parts of a healthy and vibrant cultural ecosystem in Fresno. My name is Maria Briggs.

4:55:40 – 4:56:26Speaker 25

I'm a parent of two children in youth orchestras of Fresno and a volunteer executive board member, and professor of voice at Fresno State. I have taught music and performed internationally for over twenty years. I'm here today to speak in support of strong and sustainable measure p funding for youth orchestras of Fresno, and to express concern that the proposal maximum grant amount of 125,000 for our organizational size does not reflect the economic reality organizations like ours face today. Youth Orchestras of Fresno is one of the most important educational and cultural organizations serving young people in our region. Every year, Youth Orchestra provides free public access to high level orchestral performances for thousands of Fresno community members.

4:56:27 – 4:57:13Speaker 25

These performances enrich the cultural life of our city and make exceptional musical accept music accessible to families from every background. What makes, our orchestra extraordinary is not simply the artistic quality, although the level of performance is exceptionally high, It is the access. Students from all parts of Fresno, actually 50 different school districts, Fresno and beyond, come together in an environment of discipline, aspiration, teamwork, and excellence. Programs like this elevate educational outcomes, create pathways to higher education, build confidence and leadership, and provide life changing opportunities for young people who may otherwise never have access to this level of artistic training and mentorship. Youth arts organizations exist in a very difficult middle space.

4:57:14 – 4:57:58Speaker 25

We are expected to operate at a professional level while also remaining broadly accessible to the public. We provide free instruments, scholarships, high level instruction, concerts, coaching, rehearsal spaces, music libraries, and administrative support while trying to keep participating affordable for families. In many ways, success can become a disadvantage. Organizations that have proven their value over decades are sometimes expected to do more with less simply because they have survived. Under the current proposal, organization revenue bracket would be capped at maximum 125,000, and that's a best case scenario depending on the score of the application.

4:57:58Speaker 1

Thank you. Okay. Natalie? Yeah. Come on up.

4:58:13 – 4:58:42Speaker 43

Good evening everyone. My name is Natalie Han. I'm 15 years old and I'm also the youngest of two older brothers, both alumni of youth, and I've also been playing cello with the youth orchestras of Fresno since I was five years old. I've spent more than half of my life in rehearsal rooms watching hundreds of young people from wildly diverse backgrounds come together in the same room to create something beautiful. In a world that feels increasingly disconnected, I can genuinely say that growing up in this organization has been infinitely special and is an increasingly rare opportunity for Fresno's youth.

4:58:42 – 4:59:08Speaker 43

Youth is one of the only places in Fresno where children as young as five years old and teenagers preparing for college can sit side by side, listen to one another, and learn discipline, patience, empathy, and trust through music. These lessons stay with us long after performances end. In all ten years I've been in this organization, I don't know a single person who's been turned away from Youth, FUSA, or Cello Fresno because of lack of money. That accessibility is not accidental. It is part of what makes this organization so precious.

4:59:08 – 4:59:40Speaker 43

I have friends who have received full scholarships to FUSA that had never before had the opportunity to take private lessons or join other orchestras, and this impact is only doable with immense support from donors and from grants such as Measure P. Some may question why an established organization still needs public support, but the reality is that organizations with deep roots and proven impact are often the most deserving of continued investment. You've spent seventy five years building infrastructure trust and accessibility that newer programs simply cannot replicate overnight. Its longevity is not evidence that the work is finished. It is evidence that the work matters.

4:59:41 – 5:00:18Speaker 43

Every year, You've continues to provide scholarships, instruments, mentorship, and opportunities to students who otherwise would not have access to private lessons or youth orchestras at all. Without sustained support, these opportunities shrink first for the families who need them most. Investing in Youth not only means investing in an organization that has already demonstrated across gen generations that it knows how to expand access and genuinely serve the Fresno community with music. But we as an established organization have also supported rising small businesses and nonprofits through collaborations and concerts, forcing the importance of art all around the Central Valley. This support would allow us to continue and strengthen that mission.

5:00:18 – 5:00:52Speaker 43

It would support scholarships for families who cannot afford participation, provide instruments and music for students who need them, and expand outreach so that more children across Fresno can experience what it feels like to be part of an orchestra. For seventy six years, youth has shaped generations of students, including me, and I can say with complete honesty that this organization is not just about music. It is about giving young people a place to belong, to grow, and to be heard. Measure p is ultimately about strengthening arts education for the youth and should be guided by what best supports students access to the arts, not solely by what feels evenly or proportionally distributed. Thank you for your

5:00:53 – 5:01:06Speaker 1

Thank you. I will now close public comment and bring it back to the commission. Are we ready to make a recommendation on the guidelines to send to counsel?

5:01:07 – 5:01:50Speaker 3

Madam Chair, I'm very close to do that, but I I wanted to ask a question of something that comes up a lot with the public, as they know that I am a parks commissioner. And one of the questions I want to ask, I know, and that has to do with fiscal controls. I want to know what new fiscal controls are we going to implement to prevent the loss of $1,800,000 that already happened recently. One of the things that I want to confirm, I believe that we were advancing 90% of the money to the grantees. Am I correct?

5:01:50 – 5:02:29Speaker 3

And, I think I read somewhere that now we're gonna do it on a quarterly basis. That's just an example of of administrative procedures that are supposed to enhance the protections of the funds that the city receives from taxpayers. So, just in closing, the question is, what new fiscal controls will be implemented to prevent the loss of money, as it happened already, 1,800,000 to be exact?

5:02:31 – 5:04:35Speaker 8

Thank you commissioner I think you know the policies in place with the city currently the big one is going to be the separation of duties I know the previous organization had that in their policies and come to find out that wasn't being followed separation of duties here the city of Fresno for instance an invoice comes in it gets reviewed by by staff you know Shelby talked through her presentation about eligible expenses we go through make sure that those expenses are eligible, the payroll, everything that she's listed through here. Once that gets approved, it goes on to another individual in the Parks Department for recommendation. It goes to our fiscal team, which then goes to another department outside of Parks, our General Services Department, Purchasing Procurement, for that oversight so those processes touch probably four or five different people before and up payments ever made for instance a capital project similar but a little bit different there's about seven or eight people that touch before I actually hit the approve button to pay the contractor which then when I hit approve it still goes to construction management for that final oversight so I think those checks and balances in addition to the the vendor oversight that shall be talked about the quarterly reporting you know the checking in you know making sure that's being done I don't know if that portion was being done previously I think in addition to that our central finance department you know we do our annual audits I think the other piece of that too is SOPs that we have in place our administrative orders that are in place that don't allow us to step outside of that that process so audits how frequently so we have an annual audit that we do through our finance department and that is brought to you at the end of I think it's December we have to have that approved by December of the end of the calendar year so that's an annual audit finance department does have a individual who is measure P funded who we work with on our end for all of our financial needs so a lot of different checks and balances are in place to ensure that those type of mishaps don't happen.

5:04:38Speaker 1

Is there a motion to recommend the guidelines to city council for consideration and adoption?

5:04:48Speaker 5

As presented this evening and modified during conversation?

5:04:54Speaker 3

Which there a one of the options are we selecting of those three options that were did we say We had option two as Okay. The majority All right. Thank you.

5:05:06 – 5:05:29Speaker 6

Madam Chair, several people in the audience brought up tonight the issue of the cap on $150,000 And I think before I'm ready to vote on that, I think that needs to be resolved. I don't think the cap should be 150.

5:05:29Speaker 1

Okay. That's fine. That's your opinion.

5:05:32Speaker 6

So I I don't know. Can we vote on it if I if I'm if we're not completely online with it?

5:05:40 – 5:05:53Speaker 1

Once if I get a second and then we vote if you're not in line with it, you can say no. Okay. But that doesn't mean that it's not gonna go to counsel just because you say no. Is there a second?

5:05:55Speaker 3

I would not support that.

5:06:02 – 5:06:24Speaker 1

So it seems like they were not ready to have these guidelines adopted and sent to city council for consideration. So I would like to put it back on the agenda for the next park meeting and maybe have a little further detail. Measure P meeting? Can't hear you I'm sorry.

5:06:24Speaker 8

The special meeting

5:06:25Speaker 1

Okay chair that will so since we can't decide on tonight will everyone be available for a special meeting and the proposed date is May 26.

5:06:36Speaker 3

But we don't we have a motion on the table already and a second?

5:06:40Speaker 30

No. We don't have

5:06:41Speaker 5

a second. We're waiting for a Yeah.

5:06:43Speaker 1

Like you're not ready. She's he's she's not ready. Might as well

5:06:52Speaker 3

There was a motion

5:06:55Speaker 3

the way it was presented.

5:06:56Speaker 5

With the The modifications. Discussed in terms of

5:07:00Speaker 3

Well, so the amendment has to be voted voted on also?

5:07:05 – 5:07:48Speaker 1

With all the modifications and the feedback that the commission provided to Shelby today, that's what will be sent to city council for consideration and adoption. But if we need to have a further discussion about this, then we're gonna have to have a special meeting May 26 to make sure that all commissioners are comfortable with the way that the guidelines are drafted with the amendments that we discussed tonight and be able to send off to city council for consideration and adoption. So if you don't feel comfortable doing it tonight, we're gonna have a special meeting May 26. And I'm fine with that. It's just, you know, if we're gonna recommend it tonight, we're gonna recommend it tonight. We're gonna think about it and come back.

5:07:48Speaker 3

Why can't why can we vote on the motion that's on the table with a second? It has a second. Didn't you second it?

5:07:55Speaker 5

No, I didn't. No, don't have a second.

5:07:57Speaker 1

We don't have a second. That's why we're having a second.

5:07:59 – 5:08:11Speaker 3

Oh, I'm sorry. Well, okay. I support the language that was proposed today, but I don't support increasing the cap of the 150 to a higher number.

5:08:11Speaker 5

But that's not what the motion is. The motion is to approve it as presented tonight.

5:08:16Speaker 3

Well, what's I'm sorry.

5:08:17Speaker 1

So we already established that the cap wasn't gonna be raised. That was the feedback from the commission.

5:08:25 – 5:08:47Speaker 1

So we are proposing to make a motion to adopt to send the look, I'm getting mixed up now. To send the guidelines to city council for consideration and adoption with the amendments that happened tonight as well that Shelby will update with all the feedback, correct? Am I missing something?

5:08:48Speaker 3

But the amendment only pertains to the three options.

5:08:52Speaker 1

No it doesn't.

5:08:53Speaker 3

Or does it be?

5:08:54Speaker 1

No, all the conversations and all the feedback that we provided tonight.

5:08:58Speaker 8

On all 26 pages that On we went

5:09:00Speaker 1

all six pages.

5:09:02 – 5:09:28Speaker 5

Which many were just clarifying questions. There wasn't a lot of amendments to that. We voted well, it seemed that we had a majority on option two. We changed that one part and made it less than, right, so more people could apply for it. And I think that's, I mean, substantive amendments.

5:09:29 – 5:09:40Speaker 3

Okay. I thought we had a second, but I guess we, I did second the Are you seconding? Yeah, the one you made. Yes. Well, hang up, but I, but We

5:09:40Speaker 1

can't do two, we can't separate the different comments out from the draft Either we're gonna

5:09:45Speaker 3

Is that true, city attorney?

5:09:51Speaker 7

If you're gonna separate it, you're gonna need a motion for each of the changes.

5:10:01 – 5:10:18Speaker 3

I support a motion way it was made without but you're saying that it was just because it was discussed, even though there was no second to that proposal, that there has to be

5:10:18 – 5:10:35Speaker 1

No one second the proposal. So you will be the one to second the to make the second motion. Only person that made the motion for the consideration of the guidelines and the adoption of the guidelines to be sent to city council was Commissioner Dolan. No one else seconded it.

5:10:35Speaker 3

Did you make a motion?

5:10:37Speaker 5

I did make a motion. It is waiting for a second.

5:10:41Speaker 5

Commissioner Paglia brought up another issue within that.

5:10:44Speaker 1

Couldn't support it.

5:10:45Speaker 5

Indicating that she would not support it. Still waits for a second.

5:10:53 – 5:11:04Speaker 3

Okay. I thought that if okay. I well, I can still make a motion, can I? Yeah. And, I mean, you could die for lack

5:11:04Speaker 5

You of a second the motion that's on the table right now.

5:11:09 – 5:11:24Speaker 3

The one you made? Yes. Which is And waiting for you made it based on the language that was presented with the selection of option two. Correct. And the cap being 150? Correct. Okay. I support that motion.

5:11:24Speaker 5

Okay. So that's a second?

5:11:25Speaker 1

That's a second.

5:11:26Speaker 3

Yeah. Oh, yes. I second your motion. Okay.

5:11:29Speaker 1

All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed say no. No. Motion passes.

5:11:40Speaker 1

So do we need to have the special meeting or no?

5:11:43Speaker 8

We we still do chair because we are bringing back the mayor's proposed budget.

5:11:48Speaker 1

Oh yes. Allow you all presentation.

5:11:50Speaker 8

A second bite of the apple for recommendation.

5:11:51 – 5:12:20Speaker 1

So will all the commissioners be available May 26? Yes. To hear the presentation. Since the mayor has dropped his budget, need to hear the parks budget. Hey. I'm here. Present. Ready to go. No excuse. Alright. We have a quorum so we can have it. Yes. Do I have to motion that too?

5:12:21Speaker 8

No. Okay. We'll get that to the clerk, we'll get that agendized, we'll see you all on the twenty sixth.

5:12:28Speaker 1

Right so we're

5:12:29 – 5:12:43Speaker 8

going Real to go quick can I add one quick comment? I just wanted to thank Shelby McNabb, Sarah Gaetan, and the entire team for their hard work as you all know the amount of hours and weekends and late nights put into this I appreciate them and I know the community is too so thank you.

5:12:43Speaker 7

I ditto that.

5:12:46 – 5:13:15Speaker 1

No commissioner Baraza We're not done with the night. It's still one more. Yeah. We still we still have some. Okay. ID number 26Dash646 hearing to receive public input on expanded access to arts and cultural grant program. Will any member of the public like to make any comments on this item? I have a couple of cards. Johannes, do you still wanna comment on this item?

5:13:20Speaker 13

I do. But just for the sake of proper agenda, can I get a point of order on what I'm not supposed to talk about for this agenda item?

5:13:27Speaker 1

So you can talk about anything pertaining to expanded access to arts and cultural grant program.

5:13:33Speaker 13

Including guidelines.

5:13:34Speaker 1

If you want to talk about guidelines in this portion,

5:13:36Speaker 14

Just have checking what I'm

5:13:37 – 5:14:16Speaker 13

not allowed to talk about. Okay. Thank you very much, commission. I appreciate y'all's late time. And I guess I want to zoom out regarding the nature of this commission as an advisory board. I'm sure that commission many commissioners are familiar with what happened in previous cycles, where y'all did give your best advice. You deliberated, you took input honestly from the public regarding how appeals were to be taken. And city council ignored you and completely flattened them. You deliberated. You asked properly, engaged the public for feedback on the max amount.

5:14:16 – 5:14:49Speaker 13

And you picked, I think it was 300,000. And city council ignored you and flat and raised it in defiance of your advisement, but more importantly, in defiance of the public's engagement. I'm not really accusing you of anything. I'm just more stating that the public is watching this process, both the work that you are doing now and the work that this body, this building, this city will do later. And if the city council not only will listen to your advisement, but will listen to the feedback that the public has asked for and the public has given.

5:14:49 – 5:15:11Speaker 13

And frankly, the trust. I've said this many times, I have the privilege of working for the state of California in public engagement, equity, and tribal affairs. One of the many projects I have the privilege of working for is something called community partners. Where essentially we take the promotory des salud model, but apply it to decision making. Where there are already people doing the work at home.

5:15:11 – 5:15:47Speaker 13

There are already like a book club or or a bunch of TIAs like like like who are already doing water advocacy work or doing human rights work. And, my my my job with the community partner is to get seed money, to get money, to just pay those people directly. There's a whole lot of trickle down economics being talked about. Sprinkling money that that that arts that, like, established orgs and, like, arts communities deign to give, frankly, the brown communities. Not all people that have spoken today, but many white people, very frankly, have said very strong words about their need to sprinkle money down on my brown communities.

5:15:48 – 5:16:18Speaker 13

Frankly, I want this to commission for listening to the community. And I want to really stress the need to pay the people, pay the emerging organizations already doing the work. That sovereignty, that autonomy of these brown communities that have been redlined and ignored for generations in Fresno regarding arts and culture, To be able to do their arts and culture. Not whatever trickle down water is flicked onto them by larger organizations that are very white at least in leadership. Thank you kindly.

5:16:18 – 5:16:39Speaker 1

Thank you. Next speaker, Jackson. Miss Jackson, I think he's gone. Okay. Do I have anyone online? Alright I will close public comment on this item. Does any member of the commission have any questions or comments regarding this

5:16:43Speaker 4

I was wondering if we know when the next cultural arts plan subcommittee meeting will be held?

5:16:58 – 5:17:22Speaker 7

So we had discussed June 3. But because you all made the recommendation to go ahead and advance the guidelines, we wouldn't actually need to have that meeting. So, at our special meeting, if we can agendize just a look ahead of or dissolving potentially at that subcommittee, we could do that. But the June 3 date wouldn't need to be held at this point.

5:17:22 – 5:17:49Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you. Alright. We're gonna move on to the next item, ID number 26Dash647, hearing to receive public input on allocations related to measure p, updates to the parks master plan and cultural arts plan, and annual parks department budget and capital improvement plans. Would any member of the public like to make a comment regarding this item? You have up to three minutes. And I have Adam. Please come up.

5:17:54 – 5:18:11Speaker 16

Alright. Thank you, commission. My name is Adam Balakian, and I'm here representing Community Tennis Roading Park. I got here today at 05:15. It is now 10:40PM, and I'm just making that a point to say I've waited this whole time to tell you guys about the bathrooms at Roading Park.

5:18:11 – 5:19:01Speaker 16

I would not have waited five and a half hours to tell you guys about them if they were not the most disgusting bathrooms in all of Fresno. And anybody that has been in those bathrooms will attest to that. We have a survey that I sent out, and we had results from over 55 community members who all basically said these bathrooms are absolutely terrible, both disgusting, they don't feel safe using them, the light's terrible, they're too far away from the tennis courts, they're not facing the correct direction, I can go on and on. So, would ask a few things. One, I would ask for just five minutes of time at the June Parks meeting to have this presentation agendized so I could quickly present it, show it to the Parks Commission, also show it to the public, and be able to show the results from over 55 community members who took the time out of their day to fill out that survey.

5:19:02 – 5:19:33Speaker 16

Also, on top of that, like I said last time, the understanding right now is that these bathrooms, the plan is possibly to have them done next year. I know we've been hearing that for a while and I understand there's budgeting concerns for why it's been delayed. But also, again, I said at the last meeting, my understanding right now is that the bathrooms when they're redone are gonna be put in the same spot. They're They're gonna be facing away from the tennis courts and all the other new, brand new, beautiful facilities they're putting out at the courts, at the tennis courts. And, again, it's not gonna do anybody any good if they don't feel safe using those bathrooms.

5:19:33 – 5:20:30Speaker 16

We're gonna spend all that money on this project and the results are gonna be people are still gonna be coming here asking for new facilities near the tennis courts, near the pickleball courts, near the soccer courts. So, say again, if we're gonna go through all that effort to do that, we should just take the time, have the conversations, and do it right from the start. On top of that, just wanted to bring up one thing to the PRACS Commission, from my understanding, and I can be corrected if I'm wrong on this, but this is just what I've been told regarding Fresco, and the way that it works when you submit something related to the Parks Committee, my understanding from what I've been told is that when we submit something, it's marked as completed not when the actual issue is addressed, but when it's sent over to the Parks office. So, example, if I submit something regarding the bathrooms, they don't mark it as completed, when they actually address the issue. It's marked as completed when it's sent over to the parks department.

5:20:30 – 5:20:58Speaker 16

Again, that's what we've been told. If, there's a correction regarding that, I'm more than welcome to hear it. But, I don't think that's a fair way to go about it regarding these Fresco tickets is for them to be marked completed, not when the issue is addressed, but just when it's sent over to the parks, office. So, just wanted to make you guys aware of that. And, last thing, like I said, if we can get some more shade out of the tennis courts, just throwing that out there so we can put that into whatever future budget needs to go into with this Measure P money, that would be great.

5:20:58Speaker 1

Thank you. I will now close public comment.

5:21:02Speaker 2

I have someone online, I'm sorry. Micah, you have three minutes.

5:21:10Speaker 3

It's a marathon.

5:21:12 – 5:22:19Speaker 30

Sorry but I really have to voice what Adam has said and just echo it. Him and I, I would I can't tell you how awesome his community gathering skills are. He just had over 200 participants for community tennis this month on a Saturday morning. And that's not to also you know forget to mention that he's been consistently on Sundays and Tuesday evenings for about two years now hosting community tennis offering to teach people tennis for free and providing rackets and balls at absolutely no cost. And it's at a point in the bathrooms where I when I take my six, seven year old son and my pregnant wife, we go to the bathroom before we leave our house and we commit to not using the bathroom until we get home and that could be, you know, three hours later after playing a sport, you know.

5:22:19 – 5:22:45Speaker 30

So that includes all the drinking water, etcetera, etcetera just because of how unsafe it feels. This past Sunday, last week when I left roading park tennis at about 10:00 at night, there were two men on their bikes loitering right outside of the restroom just sitting there. You know, again, the bathrooms are facing away from the courts. There's no lighting. No lighting.

5:22:45 – 5:23:11Speaker 30

No lighting. No lighting. No lighting inside or outside or on the sidewalk leading up to it. And so if I go to the restroom, no one will see me on that other side of the building from the tennis courts. The only people that will see me are the people that are on Olive or the people that are in the dark grassy area on the other side or those that are loitering outside the bathroom at 10:00 at night. Thank you.

5:23:11 – 5:23:46Speaker 1

Thank you. I will now close public comment. Does anyone on this commission have any comments regarding this item? Alright, well I would like to thank everyone for hanging in there with us. It's been a very, very long night, but I appreciate all the feedback and the support in the chamber and on Zoom. As always, I would like to adjourn the meeting in memory of Doctor. Francine Apuda, who is deeply missed. It is 10:45. Please go home and get some rest. Thank you. Good night.

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