Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

19h40. Very well, I would like to proceed with the call, starting with the personnel, followed by the commissioners.

Jack Sword, Urbanist.

Antoinette McVey, Secretary of State. Sarah Katanzerit, Municipal Director.

Commissioner.

Administrator Andy Miller, Commissioner. Bob Ganes, President. Brian Serank.

Cathy Soules. Margaret Bess.

Very well, thank you.

Now, may I have a motion to approve the order of the day of this meeting of the Commission on Urbanism? I adopt.

D'autres discussions ? Sinon, tous ceux qui sont pour ? Contre ? La motion est adoptée. Très bien.

Puis-je avoir une approbation ou une motion pour approuver l'ordre du jour simplifié de ce soir qui comprend le procès verbal de la réunion du 24 juin 2026 ?

Adopté. Appuyé.

D'autres discussions ? Sinon, tous ceux qui sont pour ? Contre ? The motion is adopted.

Just a remark, this is a public audience. So if anyone wants to speak during the open meeting, please raise your hand and come to the speaker to speak. Anyone online will be called if you raise your hand using the electronic tool. Please indicate your name when you come to the podium. And if you live in the city of Frazier, you will have three minutes to talk about the subjects. Let's not go into the order of the day. Now, I would like to have a motion to open the public audience on the second warehouse of the Grand Parc Overlook, the final cadastral plan and the final planning plan.

Motion adopted.

Press.

All those who are for.

Against. The public audience is now open. We will have a few presentations. The first will be that of our urban planner, Jack Stewart. Stewart will present his diaporama, then we will give Leila the opportunity to present in the name of Grand Parc.

You see, I wasn't fast enough to reconnect. So you'll have to be patient with me for a second. And maybe Quentinette will let me join the meeting. Merci pour votre patience. Vous, ça y est. Merci encore, Monsieur le Président. Je suis l'urbaniste et nous sommes ici pour parler du dépôt numéro 2 de l'Overlook. Il s'agit du plan cadastral final et du plan d'aménagement final. Le demandeur est ici Cornerstone Winter Park Holdings LLC. Nous les connaissons sous le nom de Grand Parc. Les utilisations du sol proposé sont résidentielles espace vert et le zonage est situé dans le district d'aménagement prévu. La demande qui vous est soumise aujourd'hui concerne l'approbation du plan cadastral final et du plan de développement définitif. Nous l'appellerons FPDP pour le reste de la réunion. Le processus, si nous connaissons tous le plan de développement approuvé en 2005, nous le connaissons bien. I don't know if we love it, but we know it well. And I say that simply because I spend so much time reading this document that we end up very well knowing each other. The final cadastral plan is examined according to section 19.3.110 of the municipal code of Frazier, the FDP is governed by article 19.2.1. It is interesting to note that one is found in article 3 and the other in article 1. These are funny details that interest me, but not you. The preliminary disaster plan was approved by the Urbanism Commission on February 25, 2026. This is what brings us today to the final plan and the FPDP. Le site est situé juste là. Voici sa délimitation. Il est bordé par la voie ferrée sur sa limite sud, ainsi que par Grand Park Drive et les maisons existantes à cet endroit. Ceci représente le contour des zones d'aménagement. The different zones that we examine tonight are indicated here. This goes back once again to the PDDP of 2005. For these three zones of development, the text is quite small. Now, I realize that when it is displayed on the screen, it can be difficult to read. Please excuse me. We will detail the use of soils by zone of development. In the zone of development, yes. We will have 44, residential 0, units of accommodation or commercial for a total of 5.5 acres. This is a reduction compared to the original PDDP plan which provided 9 acres. Then for the Neufdevay area, there are of course other subdivisions, but rather than displaying a huge picture on the screen, I have summarized everything for you. In the 9EV area, we expect 56 residential units and 250 accommodation units. A little more than 20 square feet of commercial space. The area is 23.6 acres. This is a very slight reduction of 0.2 acres compared to the PDDP. Then, in the 10-buffet area, 74 residential units of 150 accommodation units and 39,000 square feet of commercial space, result of a transfer of commercial density. This area was initially 40.8 acres. Now it is 23.9 acres. We move all the pieces of the puzzle. By detailing this, once again, in a more granular way, if you are interested in these density details, all of this is included in the staff briefing. I will not go into too much detail, but this allows you to divide by planning area so that you have a better idea of each of them. The summary here, the FPDP provides an area of 135.1 acres, which is a total of 104 unifamily units. It's because of the term mitoyen, think of a city house. 70 multifamily units and 500 accommodation units with 65,000 sq ft of commercial space. The height of the buildings is important here. Overall, I would like to draw your attention to the 10W2 planning area. This is a 65 sq ft building. It will have several floors as we move forward. So here is the layout of the entire property. And if, like me, you have trouble seeing what it looks like, it doesn't matter because I enlarged the image. But even there, it's not very easy to see, as I can see on these slides. In fact, you have the half-familial units in the upper corner. The commercial area is in the planning area, 9W, W1, 2W. It's the clubhouse, which represents 20,000 square feet of commercial space. And in the 9W1 area, you have the rest of the commercial space at the bottom of this image. And that also includes 50 accommodation units. Then you have the other residential units along the top. And then the buildings 4, 5, 6 and 7 of the rest of this plan. We arrive here, you see, in the planning area 10W2. These are buildings 1, 2 and 3. And then I suppose we also have building 6 represented on this graph. The multifamily units and then the accommodation units lower, lower, lower. I was told that they were cabin-type structures. That's why they have smaller shapes. Questions so far on the management plan? That's good. So here is this commercial area. It includes recreational facilities, then 12 accommodation units at the bottom. It has this clubhouse on the side with what is represented on the map as outdoor facilities.

It's supposed to be a swimming pool.

In this corner and then up there, there are volleyball courts, pickleball courts, tennis courts and padel courts. I didn't know what a padel court was before I saw that. I looked it up on Google. Apparently, it's a kind of racquetball. And so, Given how much the racquetball annoys me, I will perhaps avoid the padel terrains, but I like pickleball, so I might do that instead. The green space is represented here. It is detailed by planning area there in the table on the screen. There is a total of 23.9 acres of green space, which corresponds to the requirement of 15%. A small question on the subject.

So the green space, I...

I think your microphone is on.

I think it is. Is the viewer green for... The green space, I know we don't approve... Let's go back. I know we don't approve the golf course at the moment, but is the golf course the green space? Is it exact? Or is it an addition to the golf course?

It would be an addition to the golf course. So the green space is represented by this gray area. I see it. On the screen. And I'll let Leila talk about the details when she passes, because she understands it much better than me, because I'm going to play the new card that came as long as possible.

That's it. That's right. According to what I understood when we saw this last time, one of the concerns or one of the questions raised was that all planning areas did not reach 15%. Some of them were slightly below 15%. I think you're going to correct that now. So, outside the golf course, the 23V, now, each planning area presented here tonight respects the requirements of 15%. It's a change compared to the last time we saw it.

That's what I understood too. AWV indicates a reduction in size.

Where did this reduction come from?

I don't know the answer to this question because the previous plan was unknown.

Can you reserve this question for me? Are you okay?

I must once again play the card of the little new. I just don't know the answer because the process was already in progress when I took over the file. And the person who took care of it left the city. I'm really sorry. I just don't know the answer. Oh, but we'll give it to you. questions about green spaces. I know it's important for all of us. Je souhaite passer en revue quelques-uns des commentaires sur lesquels nous avons travaillé avec le demandeur. L'ingénieur de la ville a encore quelques observations à formuler. Il s'agit de détails techniques de construction d'ingénierie et de coordination des services publics. Ils sont vraiment axés sur notre plan directeur de l'eau. En fait, j'ai reçu la dernière version de ce document plus tôt aujourd'hui ou hier.

Je sais donc que nous sommes en train d'examiner cela pour avancer.

Je suis très confiant sur le fait que nous y sommes presque. We make sure that the water comes where it has to go and that the water used goes also where it has to go. So we're almost there and we're going to settle the last few points in suspense. The city attorney, Cooper, raised a few questions about the need for an amendment to the signage plan. We will deal with this point when it is time to define the panels and their placement. There is therefore no problem that would prevent our approval. It is simply that when the applicant will install these panels, they could come back to you to ask for a plan modification so that they can meet their needs. We discussed with Mountain Parks Electric and Xcel Energy. We continue the coordination of public services. Xcel Energy does not commit to providing the service for the moment and I would be happy to tell you more about the reasons for this decision, but they do not commit. However, they do not say no. They are in phase K, we will come back to you and...

But Jack, are you confident that Mountain Parks can provide the electric heating here or... Mountain Parks indicated that they had enough capacity to disperse the...

And as our procedure requires, we have consulted the CDOT, the Colorado Geological Service, and the Colorado Forest Service. No comment prevents us from approving. The CPE made a lot of comments about the fauna. We will work on it during the construction to ensure that we do our best so that the fauna can cross the area. According to my experience, a fence of 1.20 meters does not generally dissuade a bear. It quickly finds its way over it. So we will make sure to take good care of the wild fauna if they decide to visit us. The fire department asked us a question about emergency access. These problems have also been resolved. We can therefore make the fire trucks access where they must go. Comme je l'ai dit, les commentaires qui restent en suspens sont vraiment de nature technique et seront résolus avant l'approbation des documents de construction, ce dont s'occupe notre directeur des travaux publics. Et nous sommes très confiants quant à leur résolution très prochaine. C'est une condition qui perdure et qui y sera associée. Il s'agit simplement d'obtenir l'approbation du plan directeur des eaux de Westmanton, ainsi que de tous les plans de construction associés, comme l'exige l'accord d'annexion. Comme je l'ai mentionné plus tôt, nous sommes presque au bout du plan pour l'eau. J'espère finaliser cela cette semaine, car ce n'est pas encore officiellement approuvé. C'est une condition à l'approbation, mais nous prévoyons que cela arrivera très rapidement. of the annexation agreement. Of course, this simply stipulates that at the time of the approval of the FPDP or the loting, these water supply installations as well as their current operation and maintenance must be approved by us. Once again, we are at the last stages of this process. J'attire votre attention sur le fait, bien sûr, que cet accord d'annexion est un accord entre la ville et Cornerstone. Il est donc important, alors que nous exigeons de Cornerstone qu'il respecte leur part du marché, que la ville respecte également la sienne. Nous mettons donc tous nos efforts à nous assurer que nous remplissons nos obligations en vertu de l'accord. Do you have any questions? I immediately specify that he will be more able than me to answer them. So if I don't know the answer, I might ask you to wait for her to answer in more detail.

I would be happy to answer your questions.

Questions for Jack.

You know, a quick question about density exchanges, it's maybe for Leila, but I ask it here in case, you know, there is this statement according to which it must be less than 30%. Je ne suis pas très douée en maths. J'assume que la ville a examiné tous les chiffres et s'est assuré qu'il a fait tous les calculs.

Et tout en dessous.

C'était à vous. Merci.

Ça, je ne sais pas.

D'accord, très bien.

Très bien. D'autres questions pour Jacques ? Sinon, je demanderai à Leila de s'avancer. J'ai appris par une source très fiable qu'il a donné congé à Clark ce soir. Elle lui a dit, ne prends pas la peine de venir, amuse-toi bien, on maîtrise la situation. Donc pas de pression Léla.

Pas de pression. Aucune pression.

Désolé de vous mettre dans cette position, mais vous connaîtrez ces chiffres bien mieux que moi.

Je fais, ils sont tous là, dans un coin de ma tête. In fact, I didn't really plan on doing a presentation tonight. Nothing has changed on this subject. Yes. Laia Rosales, Terracita Design, on behalf of the asker. I really didn't plan on doing a presentation tonight. It's literally the same as the one I presented to you in February, in February. Nothing has changed on it. I have images to answer your questions if you need them. But you have to save time. Let's ask some questions. Let's answer some things, if that suits you.

I would say that Amanda is new since February, so maybe just a quick overview.

These slides, you know, it's a prettier picture than mine. It's true, they have very nice pictures.

The information shared by Jack is very detailed.

Mine shows. So what we're talking about tonight is still the file 2. So this is what corresponds to the bright colors over there. The bright green you see on the right of the screen corresponds to the 23V you were talking about, the potential area of the golf course which is indicated a little over there as you can see on the right side of the screen. To answer Peggy's question, on the left side of the screen, at the top left are the 10 BOVs and 11 VVs that were part of the first deposit. So, the second half of the 10 BOVs is included in this deposit. The first half was in the first deposit, hence the reduction of 40 acres to 25 acres. It has not been transferred. It is simply included, so the first deposit includes half of the 10 BOVs. The second deposit contains the rest. We have therefore simply divided it into subsections. No, no, it's a part of the first deposit. I would like to share something with you here in the FPDP. We have the 23VV and I think I don't have the number of acres in mind, but it's 83V that are part of the 23VV that are part of this FPDP. represented by all the color on the screen. And this includes the leisure facilities that Jack talked about in the Clubhouse framework. So the padel, or the padel field, it's not a padel ball, it's a padel. The pickleball field, all that. We have excluded the Clubhouse. I don't know if you remember, we came to see you a long time ago. The Clubhouse is now part of the 9EV and constitutes a commercial area. as it was the case during the conversation we had a while ago. So, all of this was removed from the 23DV and is now part of the 9DV.

23DV.

What do I...

Vacation installation.

Vacation installation. Whatever. The private 23DV. The next slide is about parking. So basically, what we're doing here is to demonstrate how we respond to all the parking requirements, including for residential, accommodation and commercial uses. And we do respect all the parking requirements as demonstrated in the FPDP. And then this last slide, and I know we talked about it when we examined it in February, when we examined this FPDP at that time concerning the height of a 60-foot building, which at the time had been approved or in the context of the audience in February. So I show it again for the information of Amanda. We have asked for a question or an adjustment of 30% of the height of the building. So we go from 50 feet to 65 feet only for these accommodation units that you see on this graph here. And it has already been approved. Is that right? Yes, it was approved in February. As a preliminary.

Preliminary approved by the Urbanism Commission. This must still go to the Board of Directors.

Well, that comes back to an approval. We are not bound by the preliminary plan. And Jack, could you, sorry to interrupt you, but this height of the building, we are going to talk about derogation, but not a derogation. An adjustment, an adjustment.

According to the terms of the PDD, they can transfer.

In fact, this is part of the code under the FPDP code. There is a section that allows you to make adjustments in the FPDP to certain criteria of the code.

And this restriction goes up to 30% without having to make an amendment to 1, if you remember well. And we have, in fact, and I hadn't noticed that before tonight, so I'm sorry about that. We have, you have indeed approved the FPDP in February as part of the resolution.

As a preliminary plan, the process is.

The FPDP was approved in February. The plan, the plan was approved in advance. Tonight you approve the final plan.

Then these two documents will go to the Board of Directors once the approval conditions have been met.

The reason why we show you the FPDP again is that some accrual conditions have now been filled. The only one that remains in suspense, I should have been clearer here. The only condition in suspense is this ESO director scheme. As I said, we are almost finished.

The reason why you see the facts again is that these conditions have been resolved to the satisfaction of the team and that the case

is now ready for what we will call the final approval since the conditions have been met.

But once again, the process as I understand it and that we approved, I was not there tonight either, so I appreciate this presentation. Once we approve a preliminary plan, it does not read us and does not engage us to approve a final plan. There are two. We have examined it, we have provided comments and we can change our mind or see different changes, but we can make an independent decision on what we have taken on the preliminary plan. As far as the definitive is concerned, absolutely.

And I'm going to play the card of the little new one. I'll play it too, then. I can't. We're in the same boat.

Okay, perfect. I need someone to explain to me how the FPDP articulates with the preliminary and final plan. If I understood correctly, we approved this 65-foot height in the framework of the FPDP, didn't we? Does this mean that it has been approved? Does it no longer belong to the discussion or must it be approved again in the preliminary and final plan?

It was approved by the Commission for Urban Planning and must still be submitted to the Board of Directors.

Yes, the Board of Directors. I'm sorry, I don't have a very good answer to that.

I agree with what Léa says. I suppose that's it.

What the code requires is that it still be approved by the Board of Directors.

It's not done yet, but the urban planning commission approved it regarding the FPDP.

The reason I'm showing it to you again is that there were conditions. Now that these conditions have been met, you can recommend the full and complete approval of the FPDP.

But we still have to approve the final plan.

Madam, the final plan must also be registered. Yes, I'm sorry about that.

You just engaged at this stage on the height limit of 65 feet. That's the question.

That's the question.

On February 25th, I know exactly where I was because I was at an audience in the Capitol, so I was absolutely not there.

It is therefore interesting for me, and if it was a derogation, and that we had just gone through a derogation, we would have a lot of precise information on the fields of vision, the shadows, and you address some of them in your documents. But it is a very complex site on a topographic level. Many slopes, many valleys. I think that, in appearance, it is a good location for a 20-meter building because it is in retreat in the hills and trees, but we do not have enough information on this subject, as we would have during a derogation hearing. I understand. It is not a derogation, but I simply say that it is a difficult decision because we do not have some of this information that is normally provided during derogation hearings.

Well, to explain why I was thinking about it, I read the reasoning behind the 20 meters. Well, whatever. Logical and I see no argument against it. It did not seem very unique or specific to this site or to this building either. And in this case, why is the height not? Simply, 20 meters, for example, if we always agree these 30% for no particular reason, then the 15 meters no longer mean anything, right?

The short answer to this, and that the Code authorizes transfers up to 30%.

Okay, it authorizes, but it's discretionary, isn't it?

That's right. But the Urbanism Commission last February decided in the case of the FPDP to take this determination.

Okay, and that's it. When it's approved in the FPDP, it's approved, final point, by the Urbanism Commission. It's approved by EXACT and then the Council and the Municipal Council, isn't it? As for us, it's approved and it's a closed question.

I say yes.

And just to give you a little context, we generally treat the preliminary plan and the FPDP at the same time, to give context to the preliminary plan, a bit like a first conversation, because the FPDP is really the document that contains a lot of details that interest you more. The plan itself, if you see the document, is just a set of lines of notation that does not mean much in itself. So, we generally present the FPDP and the preliminary plan together for the context, we make them approve, then we submit the final plan as a review, and then we give advice to the administration.

with the final plan and the FPDPR. That's how we proceeded.

That's the reason why we're here. If that can help you.

All right, let's move on. I don't think we have much more, apart from a few images, of the output for the Outpost Club or the Clubhouse. They are a little out of date, but that gives you an idea of what we think about the appearance of this installation.

And this shows the port facilities behind.

What's that on the left with a semicircle?

What's that like? You know, the theater concept.

Yes, it's a concept we had when we were doing this. I don't know if it's something that's going to come true, but it was just a concept at the time. Anyway, that's all I have for tonight. I would be happy to answer other questions. I'm just going to leave it on the screen to serve as context for everyone.

So Peggy made allusion to criminal law. It was a bit of a failure, one of the many failures of the annexation agreement. When a promoter attracts more people in the city, it exerts more pressure on our public leisure facilities, whether they are hotel clients or lodging residents.

If this is in line with our lodging regulations, which is not the case, the promoter here would have to provide for public leisure facilities.

This is one of my concerns. But there, and we already talked about it there, there is always, and it is also in my documents, We still have the option to ask 5 acres, right? Where is this eventual site of 5 acres?

I know that we talked about it. Remind me what?

Part of the annexation agreement and that we still have the right to 5 acres. I think the city is... It was the discussion between the recent...

Exactly, and so five acres are due, and as we talked about it...

I don't think we asked for them yet.

You didn't ask for them. That's exactly it.

It's up to the city... ...to ask for it. We have a long way to go. As all this fills up here with plots, we lose options for public leisure. And Clark said it during the last meeting, and he's right, a large part of public leisure has been satisfied by the free space of Cousin Ranch. Part of the leisure consists of what is in the neighborhood. You know, if I have time to take my child to the free space of Cousin Ronch from this height on the hill, that would be good. But ideally, we have park spaces and public spaces that are inside the neighborhoods. And we don't see that here. And then the possibilities of leisure offered by a golf course are very limited. Because we can't arrange a path with golf balls flying everywhere. It's a private route. Clark explained to us that at Steamboat, he goes out early in the morning to walk his dog on the golf course. It's charming. But it depends on the good will of the golf and it must also be done very early in the morning.

So the Léon Creek path is close to this place.

We need a link with him, but of course with the other lotteries.

There is absolutely no path planned in this case.

The paths are replaced by sidewalks, which is acceptable, but we know that they are snowy in winter and that they could be snowy. But this is a point that we must address in our own municipal regulations. The difference between a path and a sidewalk. A separate path offers of course a much better quality experience. So I continue to worry about it and I know that we have no authority to do it at this stage, but it is a development, step by step, over probably five years. This brings us beyond this point of inflection in a few years when we will have to decide in what form this annexation agreement is being pursued and I suppose there will be a certain authority. After that, we cannot proceed with the expropriations, of course, but there could be a certain authority at that time to add public uses here. So it's just, it's difficult. You know, we are planning almost an entire community here and in a better place. I mean, it's a hotel on the bottom of the valley. It's much better to put a hotel here where it can be visually hidden, but it just creates more and more stress on our public facilities.

But at this point, can we do something about it?

Can we do something about it?

And they will have their own clubhouse. Je vois cela comme une communauté plutôt, comme vous le dites, assez exclusive. J'ai reçu des retours d'un monsieur qui regarde probablement ça en ce moment. Je ne me souviens pas de son nom. Mais il vit ici depuis un moment, il habite à Grand-Parc. Il dit qu'il regarde la majorité de nos réunions de conseil. Et il pense que toute cette idée est brillante. They think that owning this hotel and the complex up there offers the possibility of finally installing this little cable car that will allow access to a part of Winter Park and bring more income and people to our city of Fraser. Maybe not here, even in the city, but further. So...

There will be impacts on our community, but I don't think that the people up there will necessarily impact our leisure center. That's all.

What is included in their privileges. And you know, like Parc, you will say it with insistence, he is the one who obtained the financing of the leisure center. He made the trail along the creek. He made the trail along highway 40, you know, and obviously all the open space of the cousins, as you have already mentioned in the case of the annexation agreement. The rendezvous agreement.

So, you know, there is already a lot of data. It's true, but once again, neighborhoods need public spaces. And then the golf course. I know it's not on this plan, but it's part of this recreational set. Well, that can be part of the sales argument, of the attraction. So I did some research with Jack and our municipal personnel, with Paul Johnson, to try to determine how this golf course will be irrigated. Leila, do you know if you have a derivation structure on the land creeks? Where is the water currently flowing?

We have priority water rights, as you know very well.

I know, but it means less and less every year, but go on.

Yes, it's true. But it means less and less every year, only because the state has a policy of use or loss. We don't use this water. We lose it and it goes to the bottom of the drain.

So, do you have water on 800 right now?

Do you know? We have a part of it in the prairie to irrigate the ... Where is the point of derivation? I think it's right there, at the intersection of Grand Parc Drive and ... Old Victor. Old Victor.

There is no water there. Right now? There is water. Yes, there is water. So if the anchor is dry, as is the case this year, I was wondering how they were going to irrigate the golf course. There is an agreement with Grand Park allowing them to dig deep irrigation wells in the valley. As I mentioned at the last meeting, the UCDWAT group, the group of the Orthon-Versan Basin, of which I am president, will carry out an underground water study, but everything indicates that this layer of gravel and alluvium at the bottom of the valley constitutes a fairly limited water reserve. Grand Park begins to pump water into the alluviums, which they have the right to do, they have priority rights. This puts our municipal wells in danger, because if we have to dig under these alluviums to reach the problematic formation, we will find fluorine and uranium. It is a rather toxic water, according to the experiments we have had so far by going down in this layer of clay under the alluviums. We must therefore examine in a realistic way, beyond water rights and everything else, whether it will work or not, if in the future our municipal wells are no longer able to provide water to the community because we are watering a golf course upstream. This will be expensive and difficult. Do you know how much already? 15 million dollars the last time we studied a treatment station to manage our surface waters. And I'm going to play the role of Nate here, excuse me. Nate used to make us register a $9 million line for each budget edition, because once our wells are considered as influenced by surface waters that often come with limited underground resources, we have to install a complete treatment system. He used to raise this point religiously. Let me finish each time, each time. This type of decision that we make here has long-term budget repercussions for everyone in the city.

I just want to reiterate once again to come back to your comment on the alluvium.

If we do not use this water, which goes back into the phreatic naps, then into the Pfizer river, as well as into the alluvium, it goes towards the front range.

You realize it, don't you?

So, there will be nothing left.

The Front Range drains its water into the channels located above the valley bottom.

They will not give us a gift, they will take our water rights. If you do not use it, you lose it. So keep in mind that all the irrigation by submersion that we practice returns to the groundwater and recharges the river Fraser.

Le ruisseau Glen Creek est à sec à ce niveau, jusqu'au point de dérivation dont vous parlez. Il n'y a donc pas d'eau disponible.

Pour irriguer un golf, vous avez besoin de... Je suis allé au ruisseau hier et il y a de l'eau.

Il y a de l'eau là-bas. J'y étais il y a deux jours. Il y a très très peu d'eau. J'ai une photo sur mon téléphone ici.

Eh bien, c'est génial. Puis-je poser une question sur la matrice des commentaires ? J'ai une question sur les Glen Creek concernant les réponses aux commentaires.

Désolée, j'essaye juste de trouver le bon commentaire.

C'était l'un des commentaires du responsable de la faune du district sur les Landkrieg et les impacts sur la zone riveraine. Et la réponse était que le site n'est pas adjacent à les Landkrieg. Voici les Landkrieg. Vous verrez ma ligne rouge.

Ce site n'est pas adjacent.

Voici les Landkrieg ici.

So, and our site we're talking about today?

That's what I was going to ask you to show, to what extent it's not adjacent. I'm not good at circles, but you have the idea. There's another one between the two.

So you're talking about two, okay? More than 300 meters? Okay, thank you. Yes, that helps.

I'll come back to you.

If you look at the graph on the right, it indicates the installations. Les installations de loisirs.ingolf, c'est généralement des toilettes portatives.

C'est à voir aussi.

Je ne sais pas de quelles autres installations vous parlez.ingolf.

Ce n'est pas dit pour un golf. C'est écrit espace vert ou golf. Ce qui est une activité de loisir. Oui. Installation récréative. Parking et pas de pickleball et pas... Ce n'est pas du loisir. Les gens ne sortent pas pour profiter de leur temps libre dans des installations récréatives. Il est écrit espace vert ou golf.

Avec des installations. Un espace vert peut être... D'accord. Discutons-en, mais cela a déjà été approuvé dans le cadre du 23V2.

I had a quick question, Leila, about the document provided.

It was a question of market studies.

Well, I suppose that my first question is, are market studies mandatory?

So it was just an addition. I was a little confused by the statement that was there. It was said that there was no need for employees to dispense with residential uses in these planning areas. I suppose that when I think of a market study, I don't necessarily think of employees.

So there is a requirement in the code that stipulates that if you have something commercial, you will know the number of employees you are planning to have.

And so in this case, we just have to tick this box. And so for residential uses, there was obviously no need.

Well, it is conceivable that if someone owns this property, he could... C'est des mets, ce n'est pas un employé, je veux dire employé.

Employé. Eh bien...

Le résidentiel a besoin d'employés pour nettoyer les maisons et s'occuper de l'aménagement paysager.

Il y a un... Mais il passe par une entreprise comme ça.

Je pense que l'affirmation sur laquelle aucun employé n'est... We need employees to maintain.

Use my employees to take care of the maintenance.

You don't need employees to take care of your home. I'm curious about the part on residential uses. So that's not it, what about commercial areas? Commercial areas, there are a few employees who will be.

And so a market study was done on this subject, which really concerned the number of employees. I don't remember this head figure, but we included it. We essentially used general data on various Just out of curiosity, the commercial, what is the vision for the commercial? You know, it would be, well, it's obviously the clubhouse, which represents a large part of it. Then, in reality, we reserve this commercial space because it can be that one of these accommodation buildings ends up welcoming cafes or, you know, shops on the ground floor. So we're just trying to reserve this commercial use to give us flexibility when, if we get a large tourist complex, we can offer them options.

I am at 39,000 square feet of commercial space. What is it?

Again, a lot of space. It's a lot. I don't have the answer. It's just for flexibility.

What is allowed in this area are things like, you know, you can use this space for conferences.

You can, any use of accommodation would then be permitted with these square meters.

I mean, all of this seems very good. It's just curious because there is currently a large amount of empty commercial spaces.

And that really gives us the opportunity if something comes up and none of us wants to prevent it from happening. So it's really not that simple.

I spoke with Clark for the last time. You know, he had a great vision for something that looks like the Keystone conference center.

Being able to bring people from outside.

That seems to be an excellent vision. I think I would believe it.

When I see it... We have to start somewhere. We have to start with a dream.

That's right. We have to start with this.

J'en ai une de plus. Désolée, je suis encore nouveau ici. J'essaie de... Nous sommes dans le même club. D'accord, merci. Et peut-être que cela est traité dans ces approbations de construction dont vous parliez, mais j'avais encore une question. J'ai remarqué dans les commentaires du responsable de la faune du district au sujet de l'habitat des ours noirs, ce que nous savons tous. Je sais que j'habite dans une autre partie de Grand Parc, et je crois avoir vu quelque part dans les plans la conception des abris à poubelles qui ressemblent à ceux des autres parties de Grand Parc. And I know, while living in Grand Parc, that bears come in and out all the time. So I was just curious to know if you were considering modifications of design for the new shelters to make them more resistant to bears.

But it would be great. Could they jump like that? Possible.

But I looked.

I know. I know it's a hopeless situation, but I watched a video of a neighbor showing a bear jumping on the plastic cover of another street. And crushing it, simply. I've been doing this for a long time. It would be great. You know, I've been doing this for more than a decade.

And I would say that no matter where I go, whether it's in the rural area or in the city, there are always funny things with the clothespins. And you know, people don't want BN anymore, others want less, some don't like them. And so I think we're going to try to find a balance. That's what we're working on with the GRANTA team.

I'm going to be frank, however, there will always be a kind of problem, and when you solve one, a new one will emerge.

But it's certain, we're going to work on it and see if we can do it.

That's great, because I obviously think that new problems will appear. That doesn't mean that we can't try to solve those that are obvious and that currently exist in our communities.

Brandon, don't you have metal covers on some benches?

Benches? I replaced some of them with metal.

Yes, because I heard a crackling.

They are noisy. Yes. You live in the apartments, right? The apartments. That's where I saw the bear video, because our neighbors went down there to jump on... Yes, it was further.

At the end of the... uh... towards the F. Maybe.

I don't know.

The building F or E or F. They have plastic covers. So you're going to have to replace them.

I think the size is also important because we can see it when the city is full, isn't it? And that all short-term rents are full. The benches are not big enough and people throw their garbage on the ground next to the bench and then the waste is everywhere in the street. That's it.

It's so great that people do that. It's great. People are so famous. So it's great to hear, Jack, that these things are taken into account and studied.

I looked at Ben's diagrams the other day.

I think that for every new problem we encounter, we will find a solution.

But I just want to say that we, as soon as I find solutions, other problems emerge. So we're going to pursue them. We're going to do our best. But I don't want to promise you that there will be no problem. because I have not yet found how to do it. Although in Spain, they have these kind of underground benches that seem to work well, I don't know if it would work here.

With the snow that you are clearing?

I don't know.

In short, do you have any other questions for me?

Another point concerns the Grand Parc Drive.

Arriving at the underground passage, the sidewalk next to the Grand Parc Drive

Then he uses this gravel path to the underground.

So it's the path along Grand Parc Drive that does that here. Then he goes to the underground and then there is a path. I think we have it on asphalt.

But my point is that I think we need sidewalks along Grand Parc Drive to the underground.

It is connected just across. So as pedestrians.

You arrive at this roundabout. There is a pedestrian crossing somewhere over there, and it's a hell of a distance to the path that counts. I just complained about the separate path. But there you have sidewalks and a lot of traffic, a lot of people on bikes, a lot of people on foot. It's not very clear how to cross. I don't know if you can see this path in winter.

I doubt it a little. The problem with Grand Parc Boulevard and up to this roundabout is that it is a one-way road on both sides.

You are practically on a bike to be safe. You have to get on the sidewalk and then you face the arrival in this roundabout without knowing where to go. Unless you know how to use the pedestrian crossing, walk a good distance, go up while people will always look for a more direct route. I just think it would be much safer and you really count on the sidewalks as a way to move around here, which is better. But in the end, if that's what you're doing, we have to finish the sidewalks, I think.

It's not included in the file.

Well, it is.

It's not included in the file.

I'm just sorry. To get people to come, in this file, we're talking about an important mass, you know how many?

Of total units and units of... We have to finish the infrastructure to get people to come.

And there are... Yes, there are sidewalks planned over there. No.

Along Grand Parc Drive.

That's what I'm asking for.

Yes, there are sidewalks on Grand Parc Drive and... What you're talking about.

You're talking about sidewalks. You have to go outside of islands 1 and 2 for people to go down to the roundabout.

Or to join the open space, which, according to us, will meet the needs and hobbies of this project.

The path goes well under the lower passage.

It's true, but it's...

C'est tout ce que nous construisons. C'est tout ce que je vous dirais. Nous ne construisons pas d'autres trottoirs le long de la partie existante de grands pas.

C'était justement ma question.

Donc c'est votre réponse.

Oui, mais ça ne fonctionne pas. Alors tout ce que je dis, c'est que continuer à montrer cela crée un problème que les contribuables devront résoudre à l'avenir.

Est-ce que le sentier se poursuit finalement au sud d'Olvictory ou à l'est d'Olvictory ?

Mon repère est peut-être...

Just there. And you arrive here.

And the detour is a little further. We can see the path a little higher. You see it. Yes, there is a sacred detour to get there. And the sidewalk simply stops at the crossroads. I simply say that we must also look outside the site during the creation of these high-density lotions to ensure that we do not charge the contractors with work to be done.

The problem with all these phases is the fact of trying to have a global vision.

I'm just trying to prevent future expenses for the contributors.

So the only path to Grand Parc?

No, it's the path that joins Grand Parc Drive. They asked for the lower passage.

But it joins the old road, Goudronnet.

So really roads?

On paths. I mean, does a path necessarily have to be on the ground?

I mean, if a sidewalk is supposed to lead you somewhere, it must lead you there. And there, it doesn't lead you there. You arrive at this point and if you walk half a step from home, you can join a gravel path and continue. But for a person on a bike or on foot, you have to be lucky to find it. And it's a longer way. And you have all these beautiful sidewalks in the community and those on which you count.

There is no road map with this lot.

And the road map, as you saw on the previous one, mainly concerns the sidewalks. The sidewalks are therefore important. Just like this sidewalk on the main collector's road that leads not only here, but also on the other side of Winter Park and towards the Wolf Park paths. It is important, this segment of sidewalks is quite important for me to consider that the city will probably have to build it in the future. I am therefore trying to meet the needs of this project that we are planning to approve. We will not have to pay for it ourselves.

I thought that the preliminary plan showed these sidewalks and this pedestrian access around this community and around.

It was for the other, yes, it was for the FPDPL.

We were, yes, for the last one. We saw the plan for a separate sidewalk. They call it a path that goes all the way from Grand Parc Drive to Highway 72, then to the National Forest. And it will be a public access.

A way to connect the rest of the community to the open space of Toussaint's Ranch, on which the asker counts as a leisure space. There is just...

has set up a path connecting Old Victory. What is it? They have set up a menage. So, perfect.

So, wait guys. Very well. Wait just two seconds. I will answer your question.

Yes, absolutely. We have to press buttons.

Other comments? So your question, the sidewalk goes to, let's see if I can show my sidewalk, goes to the pedestrian crossing that leads to another sidewalk along Victoria Road that leads to another pedestrian crossing that goes up. You have sidewalks and paths all over the way. And there are pedestrian crossings that define where you have to go.

That's it. It's just not like that.

That makes things pretty clear.

Okay, any other questions for me? Thank you.

Okay.

At this point, we are going to take questions or comments from the audience. So if there is someone, we will start first with the people present in the room who have public comments. Please come up to the podium and say your name.

Et vous avez 3 minutes. Avons-nous quelqu'un en ligne? Il n'y a donc personne dans la salle pour faire des commentaires publics. Il n'y a personne en ligne pour faire des commentaires publics.

We propose a close.

Je suppose donc que nous pouvons clore l'audience publique.

Adopté.

Seconde. Ceux qui sont pour. Compte. Très bien. L'audience publique est close.

Now I have a motion to approve the resolution PC 2026-07-01 recommending the approval of the final plan and the FPDP Overlook 2 depot.

Yes, one more question.

Any other discussion? Thank you.

At least one condition for the city to ask for the 5.

We can launch this project.

Before us, we want...

So I'm going to look at Sarah, maybe she can help me explain. My personal opinion. My personal opinion, but I don't think that a condition of approval here is appropriate to ask the five... ...of the commission.

that you would like us to explore this option, and Sarah and I will work with the Grand Parcs team to determine our options. And we will come back with choices.

There is no need to be left as a condition here. We have a condition, don't we, Jack?

A condition, it's the approval of the water management scheme. We're almost there.

We talked about the butterfly vans earlier today. We're almost there.

D'accord. Nous avons une motion sur la table et un appui pour approuver la résolution PC 2027-701.

J'appuie la motion.

Je propose. Désolé. Nous n'avions pas d'appui. Ryan a fait la proposition. J'étais le second. Margaret. Margaret était d'accord. Très bien. Tous ceux qui sont en faveur de la motion. Des oppositions. La motion est adoptée.

Thanks for coming, Clark.

See you later. Clark came for the best.

Yes, thank you. I couldn't bear the weight, Saïla. I said I was sure that you had given your evening to Clark tonight.

So, no pressure.

Before closing. Hello everyone.

Hello. Very good. Thank you. We still have one point to address to our agenda. It is a discussion on the strategies for chapters 18 and 19 concerning the amendments to the code. Jack, our urban planner, will make a presentation and we will discuss it.

I simply specify that it is 8.45 p.m. I think it could take us some time and that we start in this conversation at such a late hour is perhaps not the best thing to do.

I suggest therefore to bring this point to a next meeting.

and maybe organize a workshop at the beginning of the session in order to be able to devote as much time as necessary to this subject rather than being all tired at the end of the day.

It's up to you, Mr. Cotter.

Are you ready to address it? I'm just aware that, like me, you might be exhausted if it's too late.

And so, we accept your recommendation as a reporter. I will therefore receive a motion to raise the session.

Mr. President, I ask you. We have forgotten a point in the order of the day.

In a way, yes, but there was no one online or in the room.

Could we ask, we haven't had any comments from the public, for the unsubscribed points during the day.

Are there unsubscribed topics during the day on which the public would like to intervene?

Brandon, would you like to make a comment?

We have no additional comments from the public outside the points written in the agenda. I now receive a motion to raise the session. The session is raised at 8.45 p.m.