Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

I'm comfortable. Okay. Okay. Um, we'll go ahead and call this meeting of the Fraser Planning Commission to order with a roll call. Letter, Peggy, Bob Dani, Brian Sven. Thank you. Margaret BS. Andy Miller. Thank you. Um have a motion to approve the agenda. So moved. Second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Thank you. Okay. So, um a motion to approve the consent agenda. So moved. Second. All in favor? I I

Sorry, that was just the minutes for June 23rd. Okay. Okay. So, any open form? Do we have anybody online or Wendy? Anybody online? Nope. Okay. So, um we don't have anybody for nobody in the audience either. So, okay. So, we'll move on to our sole um agenda item, which is the discussion and possible action on the comprehensive plan. Great. Thank you, Andy. Um, so the item on the agenda this evening is a review of what's being called at this time kind of the recommendations piece of the comprehensive plan. This will kind of form the core of the actual text document um of the plan itself. I think previously what you know the planning commission, the board and the public have seen are things like the future land use map, the downtown vision plan um and some maps related to uh transportation infrastructure and things like that. So this is really one of the key kind of text pieces of the plan. Um it's organized into uh different levels of recommendations uh meant to go from the high level vision statements and goals down to more specific strategy statements and then the lowest uh level or really I guess highest level of detail um being action items. So, what we have right now, and I'll go ahead and uh share the document as I continue to talk through it, is uh a a review of the vision, goal, and strategy statements. Um I uh I know I sent this document to you all um about a week ago, but just kind of to talk through how it's organized here on the first page. So there's various topic

areas that this plan covers such as transportation, land use, housing, arts and culture, uh economic development, etc. Uh so each of those topic areas has a highle vision statement. Um and then within those topic areas, there's several goals and then each goal has a strategy of okay, how can we accomplish that goal? There are some action statements in this document right now. Um, some of the strategies don't have any actions tied to them at this time. Uh, but that's certainly something we can discuss now, but really the intention is to focus on a bit more of the higher level statements. Um, something else that I want to emphasize is that uh this is by no means a static type of document after the comprehensive plan is adopted. This is definitely one of those pieces that town staff in conjunction with the planning commission and the board and the public will revisit these items. Specifically the action items I think are are the things that will you know change over time especially in the short term kind of on a one to threeyear basis is probably the timeline that we would look at and certainly you know these vision goal and strategy statements can change as well in those kind of interim revisiting of these things. So uh that's kind of the preface to this. Um I think maybe two different strategies to go through this. we can kind of just go section by section or if uh there was any particular section that stood out to you all uh if you had a chance to review it over the past week, we can start on some key focus areas um and and go that way. So I leave it up to the planning commission and uh yeah, happy to help facilitate this uh discussion. So,

so one thing um as far as topic areas, I don't see uh environmental and it's kind of scattered throughout the uh the document. Um but I wonder if if that's worth a an actual topic area and we had a you know some time ago we we worked on a sustainability plan for Frraasier and maybe that could be referenced here or I don't know did you look at that one at all or Yeah,

we did. So we do have a couple different um topic areas that I would say cover environment more broadly. Probably the closest one is this one here, sustainability and natural resources. A lot of the goal and strategy statements here are, you know, related to, as you see, protecting wildlife habit, uh, riparian corridors, wetlands and watersheds, um, as well as things like, um, energy efficiency, green building design, okay,

etc. We also have a section on um, parks, open space, and trails. Um, again, that touches on some of this as well. There's certainly some overlap there. certainly the land use section. Um, and we do have a uh action item specific to at least

there's a sustainability plan, right? doing a inventory of greenhouse gas emissions because that 2016 sustainability plan actually had a um I don't know what the right right term is kind of benchmark year or kind of check-in year or goal year I believe of 2025 or maybe 26. So we we are basically due to kind of re-evaluate that and and track okay how did the town do over that at that time period. Okay. So, so it is there. Yeah. Yes. And air quality was part of the environment that um I didn't see address that I thought might fit under that, but I'm not sure. Yeah.

Um you know, with increased growth and traffic and wood stoves and campfires in the summertime and had one of those the other night. It was lovely. I had the house all nice and open and enjoying the evening breezes and the guy across the street lights a campfire, you know. So anyway, air quality is something that that I'm not sure if made it in, but I did a quick search for air quality and I didn't see it come up, but I do think that could come. This more the environmental stuff seems to does really good job of addressing wetlands and nature, but we need to keep a healthy environment for people in town, too. Um, so as far as air as especially as far as air quality goes. So

yeah. Okay, that was just a couple overall things that I was trying to fit into the plan, but should we just go section by section? Do you feel those folks? Yeah. Yeah. So, community. Yeah. I'll I'll come back up. I'm just leaving a note about adding something whether it's a strategy or an action item. Yeah.

Uh related to air quality. That's been a concern in the winter time too with the snow making and you know the fogs that descend on Frasier. It's been a been an ongoing issue with with people and it it's going to be it'll get worse as we get more people because we are down in a valley where things sink especially in the winter time as far as pollution goes. So certainly so on the community section um any thoughts or

Well, I was at mayor's hours on one Tuesday and there was three people that came in that aren't citizens of Frraasier but are very interested in becoming involved in the community and so I think this leadership citizens academy would be really something that would be a good idea. I think that's sure there's a lot of skills that people have and they're retiring or retired and they want to contribute and we should use them.

Yeah, I think there were some references in here to the overall area, you know, cooperation with Winter Park and maybe that I'm not sure if it addressed uninccorporated Grant County too, which it should of course since we have so many high density areas around the community. I mean, the Winter Park Ranch of course is the big one, but Ice Box and they've got a lot of surrounding subdivisions that are um that are pretty dense populations and a lot of people that don't live in town but want to be involved. Yeah. And this group was from Elorn Reserve. So, I think that encouraging people from even further out is a good idea. Elorn Reserve is up roadate the very end, you know. Yeah.

Not at the very end, but you know. Yeah. When the pavement Yeah. On the pavement. Yeah. Yeah. Andy, I see we can't get rid of that word bunky. It keeps popping back up. It just won't die. No, you know, we just won't go away. So, Bob, we had a reunion of of of Frasier Valley folks from the from the funky era. Funky era. And I don't know, Peggy, did you go at all or

I you know, I need to start going. I wasn't there exactly in the 70s, but I was there in the 60s here. But um Bob, there were I want to say over hundred people. I mean it was a a pretty amazing gathering. And what's kind of neat is a lot of people there don't live here anymore and haven't lived here in years and they come back to these events just because that that part of their life was so magic that they they just want to to relive it once and it's been happening once a year now for for a while. So, and and I had a long talk with um Ed Stall, who was the one that with his buddy, and I I should know his friend's name, too, but they they painted the leaving planet Earth sign and put it up. Yeah.

And over in Iver's garage, and it was it's just a wonderful story, and they just both were so amazed. One of the guy who actually it was going to be uh you're entering the Twilight Zone, but it didn't fit on the sign. So, so's friend got up, came up with Leaving Planet Earth because it did fit on the sign. And um anyway, when I told them that this had become kind of our our our official town motto, I mean it it's they were pretty amazed, you know, and I think it does really define kind of that balance between, you know, a modern community, but a community that really has

uh roots and and strange logging days, you know? I mean, go way back. It's we we've got all sorts of odd odd things that have happened in this community that that make it really what it is. So So I mean when it was half loggers and half skiers in the in the 40s and 50s, there were some there were some wild fights and killings and all sorts of things that happened as one culture replaced another. But we never lost that logging part of it either. I mean, luckily was so forestry, but and then the funk part of it kind of comes in in the hippie era when we we did have a lot of we had a lot of hippies here. Goldie. Yeah. My my my aunt Virginia still here.

Yeah. Yeah. My my aunt Virginia who wrote Doc Susie said that in Frraasier, every dog has a hippie. So in those days, so I don't know. I'm glad we're hanging on to that. And I I I don't know. We Is there any way to get more copies of her Miller's End book? is everybody should read that. Yeah. Well, right right now she's trying to get Doc Susie back again. Um all the electronic copies disappeared and they're trying to she and a couple her son Keith are trying to get Doc Susie back under rent again. So, but yeah, we should get Ski Lodge. I I don't I don't know. I don't if I want to see Ski Lodge back and I've got a pretty nefarious role in that book, but it's a great book.

She renamed Friday. I don't know why she didn't rename me anyway. My goodness. So, but ski lodge is a is does really capture that that era pretty well. So, but I'm interested in your thoughts, Bob. I know that we've had some I mean, I'm not for it or against it. Okay. Yeah. I'll just think that, you know, it was it's a it's an older word, an older expression. I'm not sure that Gen Z or whatever we're up to now in the alphabet even would know what we mean by it without some sort of education. So,

I don't know. It's just kind of like a little bit of nostalgia there. Yeah, I guess for the people who are old enough to remember it. But yeah, I'm just saying there's been discussions that I've heard over the years that I participated here on the planning commission. Some people want to get rid of it. Some people want to hang on to it. So, yeah. I think the only one that wanted to get rid of it was Barnell. I think that's the only person I've heard say that. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, please don't take my comment as being an opposition to it. No, it's a good discussion. I'm just thinking that, you know,

as much as we've talked about it, it just keeps coming back and coming back. So, I guess the fact that it does makes it really part of our the fabric of our community. Yeah. Yeah. I I think part of the challenge is maybe finding an equivalent word that, you know, I am of a different generation, but I you know, funky means like cool and interesting and unique. Um, of a certain era. Sure, maybe it has that connotation, but um it it I think it captures a lot of different things. Uh but yeah, it's uh I know it provokes some strong emotions sometimes either way, but um yeah, if if there's no strong objection, we can just leave it in for now. Um got a good alliteration with Frasier, too.

Yeah, funky Frasier. Well, and one other one other story comes to mind. years ago, Telluride made a really heavy duty effort to clean the town up, get rid of all the junk, do everything they could to just to sanitize it basically. And when they got done, there was a lot of feedback to bring some of that junk back in again to try and try and make Tellide, you know, give it a taste of its mining past. And they lost of course. Tell you right has pretty much gone the the route of Disneyland but but we just we're trying to avoid that Disneyification you know I mean the the the theme park type type thing that resorts tend to tend to trend towards. So it's something different. Yeah. Yeah.

So I guess I didn't want to become called junky tellide. I did have a thought on on seat. Yeah, I got that. Sure, no worries. Um C22 talked about provide signage of historic line landmarks and educate on building history and significance. And this is kind of your um course idea too is Charlie's Charlie Clayton's walking tour of Frraasier. I think that book is I read that. Yeah, I got on the board

and and it might be worth kind of formalizing that book and having it available and maybe marking some of these these places. I get people all the time on Doc Susie over there wondering where Doc Suz's house is across the track. So, um, but yeah, kind of maybe re reinvigorate that walking tour Frasier. So, I like that.

I'm glad on C2 in the heading. Uh, and development enhances visual character of the area and blending modern design with unique charm. I think that's key that we aren't, like you say, going back to Disney World of trying to recreate this old west, you know, four o'clock in the afternoon. It's a shootout in the open corral. They're still doing that down there, too. So,

so anyway, I think that's good because obviously we want people to buy the real estate and, you know, they're not looking to live in a an old west town. Yeah. Well, and the funky kind of helps meld several different things together where you could do old west, you know, and and out of that, but also do some more things that are innovative. Yeah, I I did get a chairlift ride last winter with a young woman that was an arch architect in this modern architecture and I I love our developers down here with these new buildings, but I asked her, could you guys maybe get off of black, you know, and square maybe maybe start to dress some of the stuff up a little bit. But yeah.

Yeah. So, but it's Yeah, it's you know, but it it is people want things that are more contemporary with big windows and, you know, take advantage of the views. Yeah. Yeah. materials that are fireresistant and Yeah. But we we're trying this helps us kind of I think balance it some some of the wording in here seems to I think that's the word is good.

Yeah. Okay. And then the um C2.3 I think if we could add a bullet point possibly for trying to maintain view corridors you know at least some especially downtown where where people can see through the buildings and still see the mountains. I mean, people talk to me all the time about how much I think this place has changed, and I must be so brokenhearted about it, but I just always tell people, you know, 80% of our county is public land. You put your eyes up and the mountains are there, but pretty soon they might not be if we don't if we don't talk about some ways we might maintain ways for people to uh to see the mountains even downtown where we've got high density. So,

yeah. Yeah. view corridors is something that I learned about when I was living in Denver when I was on my neighborhood organization. There's they have ordinances for that. So if we wanted to, you know, pick a few Yeah. say, "Sorry, this area can only go to 25 ft or you know that kind of thing." It's it's something we could change in the zoning. Yeah. Or ways to line up some of the streets so that they go through parklands or open spaces some way that you know it pops through occasionally where that where the mountains are there. So yeah. What would you say are maybe some key view corridors to try and protect? I mean I think buyer peak comes to my mind certainly.

Well we have a view I mean we have a view anywhere you look right. So I think if you created a corridor you're going to see see mainly the you know the divide obviously and out west towards buyers but but um those would be the I guess eastern views and and western towards buyers well and south through the ski area. I mean

right it's nice. I mean our stretch of 40 points right at the ski resort so you have that natural Yeah. view corridor. So, anything more on the C-section community? So, land use. Um, it's a long section. There's a lot in here for sure. So,

yeah. Yeah. So, starting with the vision statement, um, talks about growing thoughtfully and sustainably, ensuring a vibrant community that meets needs of both current and future residents, and preserving character. Um, again, pretty broad, hopefully uncontroversial statement. um talking about promoting a balanced mix of land uses um while also preserving green spaces, protecting natural resources.

So, um we've talked a little bit of in in L LU3.1 the impact fee section. Um, we talked about housing impact fees possibly being levied on per square foot per on on projects with exemptions for full-time housing. So, for folks that are building, you know, would be kind of a deed restriction

thing for a house, but that's being built by a local. Um, I don't know if that's worth really trying to I think it is worth trying to trying to begin serious discussions of. So that's of course the fee that has built up the employee housing in in Snow Mass Village. They luckily put it in in place a long long time ago, but I I still think it's worth worth discussing. So Mhm.

I I do believe that's something we could look to implement. I forget where that falls in the statutory versus home rule um distinction uh as far as the town's ability to implement something like that, but um yes, I I do believe that's something, you know, a desired um action item from this commission, from the board, and from the public. So, it's going to be a controversial topic for sure. Yeah. and and well it was controversial I think and you know Clark was going to be against it but you know it's applies to small sections of the community really

mean old town Victoria or Victoria Village but because you're we're now surrounded by developers. Yeah and it's it's going to get harder and harder to build your own house. It is. I mean, it just but reality. Well, maybe with the annexation it might not be. Maybe neighborhoods can be created out there that it would foster that that sort of project. So,

you know, it'll be interesting. I in fact, I just read an article and I was going to copy it and bring it in today, but it was really interesting about what's happened nationwide in terms of zoning and how we became this urban sprawl country where Europe is not like that. And yeah, it's, you know, the car and the West has really done it and and California is in such a world of hurt because they've allowed this single family big lot

and the infrastructure is now decaying and who's going to pay for it and you've got this problem where everybody now is visualizing that they want to be in some place closer with this more urban feeling where you've got retail and vertical and you're not going this way, you're going this way, which then you've got views to worry about and people are going to complain because they're used to being out there instead of closer in. It It's really an interesting article just to think about where we are going to end up going as a nation and as a community. Yes,

it's, you know, we're we're facing limited resources and every time you go out, the resources are getting expanded. I think I think we're we're on the right track with density, but we have to we have to think about the the side impacts and having to do with with quality of life and noise and and um and speeds and all the things that we we just have to behave better when we when we live closer together. So, Um, but somehow we we have to address some some way to build up housing reserve funds and ways that we can can keep keep people housed. So, and this is all part of it is making it more affordable.

Yeah. And that impact fee obviously couldn't be on Grand Park, but it could be on Grand Park. Well, it could be because we have a doover on 2028. Yeah. After the annexation agreement expires. Exactly. So, these would be good things to have in place as that that discussion ramps up. So, yeah.

And there's a section in here on annexation agreements. And I I've discussed this once before, but I really think maybe is check with Northwest Cog if you would. I think it's gypsum, but one of the one of our towns does in our district does require plans with annexations. They don't go with pre-annexation agreements. They go with plans. And I just think that that would help help keep us out of trouble if uh if the these these properties to the north of us, they don't have to come with final plans, but with sketch plans, so we see what their land use, what land use they're proposing,

and that could be changed as they go through the process after they annex. But I really think we need a good good idea of what's going to happen rather than than trying to trying to build these annexation agreements that that just end up being really difficult to predict. So I have just a general question. Um where does Buy Myers Peak Ranch stand in terms of a future potential annexation? Which buyers Peak Ranch? You mean the the right next to town where the Yeah.

Yeah. Well, and the Clark is refusing to annex because of an action that I I took some some time ago where they their annexation was overturned by the voters. Well, so he keep keeps bringing that up. So, and right now right now there's no platting out there. I think you're still on the planning commission, aren't you? Right. Well, I think all of his plans out there, I believe. He's got his plans in place for the mill apartments, right? And I think he's got two more buildings that he's ready to do. Yeah. But beyond that, he doesn't have anything because now he's in touch with planning commission over there. Right. And all of his county plans have expired. Right.

Yes. Exactly. Yeah. And so, um, I'm not sensing any interest in them, you know, just letting him renew them. Yeah. And he's got a project that was going to go behind the mill apartments that are going to be kind of like micro cottages, right? And when he first introduced it, it's pretty cool concept. I I kind of like the idea.

Yeah. uh because it was going to be more affordable, whatever that means these days, more affordable housing. Um and you know, but he was getting some zoning uh variances, right, approved and he let those lapse, he let his plan lapse. So now there's little chance he's going to get it reapproved. I hope not. Well, maybe there's I would love to see it come back into the town.

I would just ask I'm just saying that the current planning commission over there and you know our Chris Manuso is adamant that she's not going to let those microcottages come back in. I'm just speaking. You didn't hear this from me, but but I was, in fact, she made a comment to me. He says, "Well, maybe Clark will just go want to get back in the town of Fraser then." I hope so. So, that would be the perfect scenario.

It might be that we could approach Clark and say, you know, hey, if you want to still do that Michael Cottage project, why don't you bring Byer Peak back into the town of Frasier? I don't think the town's ever done anything but give him the word that he's he's more than welcome to come back in. So, y yeah. So

and and the other buyer's peak ranch, you know, that would be another thing is that is contiguous and and if we could convince him, although there's some question of what kind of water rights he has and if he has the amount that he needs to bring in because apparently Clark ended up his water rights. I don't know how, but anyway, then you surround Clark. Yeah, you could force it force. Is there is there a continuous boundary out there to the other? Well, yeah. Up County Road. Where is it? 77 or 72. 72. 72, right? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. So, to me, that would be a huge win for the entire community because those 30 acre lots, I mean, that's just I don't I don't think that makes a lot of sense. No, not not for a town. Yeah. So, so that's always and Cindy Safel's divorce could be the trigger on this whole thing. So,

yeah. Okay. Yeah. The um you know, Legacy Park Ranch is a perfect example of of lowdensity subdivisions that cost taxpayers a lot of money. Yeah. that th those roads out there cost the county a fortune to plow and they there's no not even any hope of ever getting any kind of property tax revenue that we cover that. So so that's yeah that's a perfect example of sprawl. Okay all the more reason to create and adopt a standard annexation policy agreement. Um, I think the requirement to, you know,

have a sketch plan of some detail with, you know, any annexation petition is certainly something that we would likely include in that policy. Um, but yes, good good uh discussion and that model, if you talk to John Staven, he could tell you which town has that. So, okay, I'm I'm pretty sure it's chips, but I'm sorry I've forgotten that. So, John would know. Any other comments on the land use section?

So when you say re-evaluate current land dedication and fee and loo requirements for parks and schools is Oh yeah. Could we use the word public parks all the time? Um yes. Yes. Yes. Well, I I will also state in this context, uh, land dedication means giving land to the town. So, um, but there's a lot of discussion of parks in here and we've got some private parks that really are not doing the town much good. So, sure. Uh, certainly we can maybe touch on that in the

parks, recreation, open space, trail section. I I think for the purpose of this action item, we do have land dedication requirements for new subdivisions to dedicate land for parks and schools or if they do not dedicate that land, pay a fee in lie of that land dedication. It's just public parks. Yes. I don't think we want them to pay a fee. I think we want them to dedicate it. So get rid of the in lie because you never know what we want to do though in the future. I I think just broadly

you do the in loops you're just it doesn't work out especially in housing and it probably won't work and it didn't work out in schools and I they just have a that gives them an out well but it's size though Peggy when you've got a small a real small just a single building with four units can't really dedicate parkland on a small Yeah but it's not you're not having to do that on I'm thinking annexations big parcels when you come And yeah, I mean it's Yeah, sure. Well,

I I think generally speaking, so I the point I was going to make was simply that those requirements in our code were originally established in I believe 1997. And I think especially with the parkland dedication requirements, they really haven't been changed or re-evaluated over that time. Um, since that time, the school district has done updated uh kind of impact fee studies essentially to change the dollar amounts associated with the fee in L for school land dedication. But I think really the town needs to revisit the parkland requirements. Um, it in staff's opinion, one of the advantages of the fee and Lou with parks specifically is that the town already has a significant public open space area. the Cousins Ranch open space that um in the 2018 master plan, there's quite a bit of identified capital improvements for recreation. One of which just broke ground being the bike park, but there's certainly other improvements that could be made um within that area, even just things like um additional trails and and lookouts and picnic tables and things like that. and that fee in lie uh of parkland dedication that money could go straight towards you know improvements in the cousins ranch open space just for example so I think that's one one kind of avenue to where in in staff's opinion um it might be a good idea when we re-evaluate that parkland dedication um regulation and policy uh to maybe keep that fee andlue provision

but I think Peggy makes a good point if the annexation is large enough you would like the park there. So maybe when you do that re-evaluation to kind of address both issues. Absolutely. Maybe you put a uh minimum size on you know if an annexation brings in land greater than so many acres then you must provide then you must provide absolutely below that amount of land then you can do fee in lie of I I would like that.

Yes. you know, and I I see I mean Sarah's done an amazing job of getting grants, so I don't think that the developer needs to be buying park benches. I think we can get a grant for a park, right? Yeah, certainly. Yeah. I I think land is what's the the key and it doesn't have to be a maintained park with grass and, you know, just open space with trails is what I'm thinking. Yeah, absolutely. I guess again just proximity is important and we want parks close to everybody, right? That's that's one of the all every study you read of of urban planning tells you that that parks need to be close to where kids are, right?

And where adults are so they can they can recreate right there. That's what brings neighborhoods together too is are these smaller parks. So yeah. Yeah. So absolutely we want to ensure that any large subdivisions provide that open space and don't just take the vianl option but I I do think it serves its purpose in some instances.

Well another example is the park down here um next to the the buildings that we've been working on and they they can't find I mean that that little tiny park right there's at the could is at the end of Frasier or Eisenhower and where you go up and over and down into the river. So those those little link type parts are really important too and help keep that connectivity that we talk about here quite a bit. So connectivity of trails and pedestrian ways. So

well and I think way back when when rendevous was annexed in it was 30% for both sides of the highway. And I'm amazed that I look at rendevous and winter park and I think there's two small little parks. They did not demand that 30% number. And that little spaceship park is one of them. And that's the other part. I mean, I don't know what the other park's going to look like, but they really screwed up, I think, in the park on the project.

And that was done before Rendevous came in. It was back when his name um was in Castle Pines. He's the developer that owned that property. Um, oh, down there at the where the lodge was. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that so that was done many years before. Well, maybe it was done then about the same time we did rendevous, but before Rendevous got involved. Yeah. That they were the beneficiary of now they have all this land to develop in the park.

Remember when Drake first listed that property? He went and had all the trees taken out so that people could see what the view was going to be. He took a 12 acre parcel and just clearcut it so that his buyers could see what the views were were. So um so the next section is economic development. This is actually one where we just did a quick scroll through. We don't actually have any specific action items at this time but kind of reading through the strategy statements. They are kind of you know closer to action statements in a way. Um, but if if there's any thoughts or feedback on any of these hard to get past the tourism business and trying to bring in more sustainable

methods of making a living, but it's really difficult. Yeah. Is there any feedback on economic development or

I'm glad that that point is in there um for ED2 there um because like you know as we talk about annexations we have brought up you know is there a manufacturing facility that uh could go in just outside of downtown you know in to the north you know could we could tiny home builder, you know, setup shop out there and bring a bunch of jobs. Talking about the log yard out there. Yeah, the pole yard. Probably yard.

Probably not right there because that's so prime for schools and housing and that kind of thing, but maybe just a little down the road and then they could still use the the train to move their freight around. So, um I'm glad I'm glad that it's listed basically. I like this support homebased businesses and remote workers through infrastructure improvements and networking opportunities. I think one of the biggest problems we've got is not enough full-time residents and we're we're missing the boat because there's a lot of people from Denver who would love to be here full-time and it's not that hard. We just have to show them it's you can do it.

Yeah. and remote working is opening up a lot of people to living in a place like this and and earning a good paycheck and they patronize the restaurants and retail and I you know I feel like for many years the school are not being advertised well enough I because the schools are really good and people always tell me oh I I can't move up here I've got kids in high school they want to turn into lift operators highly unusual for that to happen. Sure. Maybe foster the the ski academy at Mil Park High School. They've got some programs, I believe, but

that that's certainly a a drawing point for Vale and the Veil Academy and and other and ski steamboat has a similar ski academy and Well, we've got a ski academy. It works really well, does it? Okay. Oh, yeah. It's it's huge. There's probably 50 or 60 kids that ski every day at Middle Park High School. Mhm. So maybe fost foster the growth of that and and the advertising of that. So

yeah, I just think broadly speaking a lot of these deal with kind of growing or maybe evolving, if that's an okay word to use, beyond a purely tourism based economy, which I I know is the continual challenge, you know, throughout decades of uh Frraasier and Winter Park's history. Uh but you know when you see at other resort communities there they have a strong professional you know there's doctors and lawyers and stock brokers and all kinds of people that live in Aspen and Bale and Breenidge and Ste sure they're not just you know doing the tourism stuff

and we have a closer proximity to Denver and the airport than any of those other communities too. Mhm. Especially now with the train still, right? Okay. Uh housing uh so uh you know promoting a variety of housing options um encourage mixeduse housing development uh where it can make neighborhoods more walkable. build and strengthen partnerships to increase affordable and attain attainable housing. So H1.1

doesn't include the single family option. And I know Peggy, we just talked about that a few minutes ago, but I do think that there's a possibility of having some small lot. The micro cottages you were talking about, Bob, are actually a pretty pretty good idea. Yeah. Um that's that could be a the next step after after you know price controlled housing and of course Winter Park has done it on a larger scale with larger homes. Sure. So um that single family should should be put into here. So yeah I agree. Absolutely.

Didn't mean to interrupt you there. No no. Yeah. just kind of running through them. But yeah, any any specific items like that, that's great. And that could be part of this annexation discussion. So, and a discussion with Clark, we hope. Yeah. Every time we talk, I bring it up. There you go. Okay. Yeah. And then implement policies to encourage non-resident homeowners to make properties available for long-term rental.

Um, so the the Winter Park program where they did that temporarily, that worked pretty well, didn't it? Or think they filled all the units, that's for sure. And they got a lot out of the deal. A similar program here, do you think? Sure. Maybe. Yeah. Um I don't know. I mean, I'm sure housing is still an issue um for for people who are moving here. Um is it the right time for Frasier to be putting money towards it? That's another question. But yeah, um it's worth looking into winter parks program to see how it went for the two or three years they did it. And then um what happened afterwards?

Yeah. You know, did people just lose their housing as a result of not getting the incentive anymore? Um or or did they continue their long-term rentals? Because if they continued them, then great. But if it just kicked the can down the road for two years, then it's probably not worth it. Yeah. The town essentially subsidized or provided an incentive to property owners to do long-term rental. Yeah. something like $10,000 every six months or something like that. Um for to have long-term rentals in there. Sure. units. It was just temporary program, wasn't it? Mhm. Yeah. And it's discontinued at this point. Yeah. I don't think they're doing it anymore.

But that then that brings us around to the deed restriction program, which really has never gained much traction, has it? Or not. As far as I'm aware, we do have a um strategy statement, I believe, H1.4.

Thank you. Yeah. Or yeah, an action to to promote that program, tailor the incentives it provides to be more attractive. Um I I do think it's worth at a minimum just better advertisement of that. Um, but certainly it's it's um something the board needs to budget for and make appropriations. Um, but well, when it started out, it was such a small dollar value. Um, it made sense for a house that was maybe worth $300,000, but now a house that was worth $300,000 is worth a million dollar. And so, how do you as a homeowner justify even $30,000 a bedroom put to put a deed restriction on a house? You know, yeah, if it's a fourbedroom house, you made $120,000 on that deed restrict deed restriction, but now you can't sell it to anybody outside of the valley.

So, it's it's it's an expensive thing if we want to do it right. Yeah, that's the issue. I you know I think that our funds would be better used to do like we're doing buying property and putting that property underneath the developer and putting a deed restriction on the building itself and helping with the grants and that kind of thing that to get them to make it affordable and so that we've strategically buy this property around the town.

Right. I agree. It's fine that this is in here. I'm not saying to take it out, but I agree with Peggy. Like, if if the town can acquire land and then we can do what we're doing, essentially, you know, give the land to a developer so that they can build affordable housing. Um, you know, that Yeah, I would rather kind of move in that direction. It's a bigger impact and faster I feel like. So, at St. Louis, do does the town end up owning Yes. that? Okay. And that's that's the other direction. I mean, that's what Snow Mass Village owns all their housing that they've developed over the years. And but you know, that's there's pros and cons to that. Yeah. And

I personally think that us being an owner is not necessarily the best way to go. Yeah. We don't have to have all that money tied up. We don't have to have the risk. We just have to assist with the land underneath them and make them take the risk and make the rules on what Yeah. what the rents are with the the for sale offering is as long as these agreements don't expire. Well, in perpetuity. Yeah. You guys said the board's been really good about that. And then we can continue to use our funds instead of tying up

Yeah. multi-millions. And I think that just makes a lot more sense strategically. Yeah.

Keep bugging. Um, one of the women over at the hardware store, she's living out here in Clark's project and she's alone in a three-bedroom unit uh because they couldn't find anybody for the three-bedroom unit. Couldn't find her a one-bedroom unit. And I keep asking her, will you please tell me what your rent is, whether it's more because you're in this three-bedroom unit or whether you, you know, suffered consequences because of that. And she never I don't know. Money doesn't seem to I just That's a question I sure want to know about. But it's just it's if these we're going to be in this game here pretty soon. I mean, that car Well, I think those units are signed in AMI. Yeah. Yeah. That's

and then when you get involved in the management of all this, you know, you got a three-bedroom unit, you got one guy that's 60% AMI, one guy that's 100%. Yeah. A guy that's 60% doesn't ever move out, so you never get in to clean it or figure out what's going on. Yeah. I mean, yeah. There's a lot of challenges that I don't think we want to be involved in. Yeah. No, that but it'd be interesting to see how Snow Mass manages it. You know, the my my understanding that I was talking to one of their town officials, they have enough units that that they have a full-time department that that's all they do is property management.

And you're right, Peggy. I mean, that's the other alternative is leave that to to to developers. It does give you complete control, but anyway, it's Yeah. So, well, I think if you have an agreement that's written, well, you accomplish what you need Yeah. to do and you're not buying up some of Washington and you can continue the rolling.

This is something the Fraser Valley Partnership can hopefully accomplish is there's such a need here for some standards, you know, standardization of all these AMIs, the agreements, the way that all this works. I mean, it seems like a regional housing authority could help make it easier for everybody to get into it and also level the playing field as far as cell and that would make it easier for the the employees that are out there shopping for housing.

And the other part of this that I think we're missing is um how do we vet employers? You know, I mean the employers and I don't want to get down on employers because they struggle so much for staff, but can they can an employer kind of get away with paying low wages, take advantage of is subsidized housing and and but really have the ability to to up their wages and and contribute more to the to this this issue. So, I don't know. That's that's an overall question that's pretty thorny to say the least, but but um Merit's looking at. So,

I think it's pretty hard to pay low wages in a community like this when Wendy's advertises what the going rate is. Yeah. But it's still for this community. It's not really what somebody has to have even where they're they're 20 an hour or Yeah. But 20 an hour does not Yeah. So does it get you there? No. Not even close. Arnell was right about that the when he spoke I don't know a couple weeks ago and a month ago. It's pretty expensive, you know, and you got to be making almost $40 an hour or be a partner with somebody so that you twos make 40.

Yeah, I I do think kind of the employer assisted or employer subsidized housing is a model that is certainly implemented for maybe the largest employers in the county. Obviously, Winter Park Resort. Um, I think Devil's Rand Devil's Dum Ranch. Um, I I do think there could be a role for the town to fill that gap with maybe smaller employers, smaller businesses, and I think that's partly what this H3.3 is kind of pointing to. So, but all all good comments and and good uh discussion. Sorry.

And I guess they can't come in. I was thinking, you know, apparently like DOS can't come in and say, I want to lease three units or five units, do a master lease, and I'll just that's not allowed with some of the grant money we've gotten and they can't tie up one employer can't tie up housing. So it's makes it kind of challenging for force they want to buy something and build it themselves and own it, right?

But that could be an option the town does. If the town owns property and wants a developer to take it over, you could go to a large employer and offer them that ability to build their own housing. So okay, any more on housing? Yes. Okay. Sustainability and natural resources. So, this is where we get into more of the environmental questions. Yeah. So, strategy one um talks more about again the the wildlife habitat area riparian corridors preserving and protecting wetlands and watersheds. Um,

so that might be a good place for view corridors because that's a that's a part of natural resources. Sure.

How do we get the moose down to the open space and out of the open space? Maybe take the fence down. Yeah, exactly. Is there a fence? Oh, the the log fence. You mean that's maybe along with the underpasses, we get a we get a wildlife overpass. Wildife crossing. Yeah.

Yeah. There you go. We need one coming down from crew. Well, it' be worth at least, you know, working with Seaw to see if they're because we are taking up a huge area of of cross valley migration with with development. Now, we don't have the meadow that we used to have between the towns that where wildlife could move from one side of the valley to the other. And let's at least talk to CPAW and see if see if they what their what their thoughts are on on what we might do to, you know, how do we get the moose over the railroad tracks? That's not too much of a problem for him. I don't think it's the highway that Yeah.

Yeah. But the trains are infrequent enough that Right. Yeah. So in sustainability, would that include some kind of there's a new fire code that the state is adopting in they just adopted it July 1 and we have to adopt ours within I guess next by next April. But yes, I would think that we would want to have some kind of fire plan.

Yeah. Yeah, there's not much talk in here about na um helping to mitigate and prevent natural disasters and fires, one of the big ones and flooding too. So,

so certainly the the state's model code around um wildfire resilient building and site design, we have to adopt that as you mentioned by April of next year. Um certainly we could add a strategy statement around, you know, encouraging, you know, kind of standards or designs that are kind of even above and beyond those kind of minimum requirements and and even just more broadly um building design and development that is, you know, uh mitigates risk around natural hazards, whether it's wildfire, flooding, etc. ETA. So,

I I agree with adding all that, but should we have like a like an actual fire mitigation or flood mitigation section to this? Natural disaster section, right? Yeah. It's kind of a almost like a outside of town, what can we do? Fire gets into town, right? One of the things Bulgar's doing now with the after superior fire is making sure their open spaces are grazed so they don't end up with these tall grasses that carried that superior fire across the landscape so quickly. So that's a fairly simple mitigation. So don't encourage them. What do they what do they do? Goats not go there. Gra.

So Clark's been doing this all along cows like that. And he and he says that's one of the one of the advantages at least that there's got a point to be so many of them. But hey Michael

in the in the flood flood mitigation category. I don't know if you guys are familiar but I've been trying to get design money for that Frasier Riverbend down there. the river Safeway Riverbend. Mhm. And we were turned down by the open open lands and uh but we are going back to them this fall. So I've got a grant writer that's working on the modifications that the OLRT board asked for. So I still see that as a real clear and present danger to Safeway down there. So, and those are the things we need to look at. And that was one of the some of the feedback I got from Adam when you guys as you guys are talking about

what to do down there on the in and we talked about this Brian at mayor's hours the other day. You know, trying to maintain as much as we of these wetlands as we can to help mitigate floods because that's one mitigation for floods is they have an ability to spread out and um and absorb into the into the soils before they they can let them to cause damage. So and there's a lot in here about wetlands for sure.

Uh to circle back on kind of the natural disaster hazard mitigation, we do have this section later on. Um maybe a bit more about um you know providing services. This TSI is uh town services and infrastructure. Um but I do think that sustainability and uh natural resources uh strategy or or having something uh a bit more specific to you know land use being responsive to hazard risks and things like that. Um and and kind of encouraging more than minimum standards uh would be appropriate. So in SNR 1.5 we talk about the use of water efficient landscaping. I really think we need to approach this subject of not just water efficient landscaping but landscaping that does not require irrigation

other than you know during during the period of time it takes to get established because that that's our concept of water use right there that 90% of the water in houses goes back to the river. landscaping water does some good for groundwater, but it's pretty much lost. And we have enough water up here. I mean, Tucson can do it. We We ought to be able to do it. And every time I go out in the woods, I see all this nice, lovely zeroscape. Looks pretty dang good. So So I just think we need to really start to drive that conversation. So,

I think the the bullet point added maybe captures that uh that the town could look to update our landscaping regulations to specifically require vegetation that doesn't need irrigation once it's established.

Yeah, I guess zero zeroscape is not proper term anymore, but whatever term is correct. Yeah. Okay. And then 1.6 we talk about community events and ways to get the community and talking about trees. Um I know that our our uh Kathleen does provide um do we actually have an opportunity to provide trees to people for planting and with some instruction on how to plant them and uh seed stock? I mean, not big trees, but

I that could be an opportunity. I'm not sure what the cost of that would be, but certainly, you know, smaller seedlings. Yeah. The CSU extension office often has ways to do that in a pretty reasonable fashion. So, Mhm.

Yeah. I know other communities have like a plant a tree day type of thing, uh, where you, yeah, receive a seedling and and plant it in your yard. Um, I think that's maybe I'll just And then we're talking about more trees down in that cousins ranch open space is really good ideas. So, and then 1.8 8 talks about storm water and the just an update. I mean the storm water survey that we that we've been working on through the grant that I've got from the uh Wendy Gap environmental fund is going along really well. But

we had our uh my board's monthly meeting last Friday and we walked out in the library parking lot and you guys remember those developments we approved fairly recently the big the big lovely buildings around the library over there and we we had a lot of questions about drainage and how how everything would fit together. I I'm going to walk over there with Paul and take a look at it. I mean it just didn't fit together very well. I mean, we've got several different storm water plans that that that just nothing fits, you know, and it and it ends up not working. So, so you've got a holistic regional approach to updated inefficient storm water infrastructure should be regional and neighborhood.

Um, so that we we we make sure that we go not just project by project. And that was one of the goals of this whole project, this whole survey was to try and prevent us from having to sit down and look at a single plat and decide how this drainage is going to work. We need to be able to to to plan so that all this fits together. So I'll try to get over there with Paul and take a look at that and see if we can't work with the library and and come up with a way we can make all that work over there. They're getting some funding issues. Nice. And it's just it's it's pretty odd the way it all kind of finally came together. So, sure. And then mainly we're just trying to capture all of this, of course, before it gets to the river. So,

Mhm. And it's interesting, all the stuff on the west side of Frasier, the old the west side of of the railroad tracks goes through the through the um elementary school over here, through the backyard of the elementary school. So it could provide a really nice educational opportunity to to create wetlands back there to help treat that water before it gets to St. Louis Creek. So

and we still depend completely on the Grand County storm drainage design and criteria manual, don't we?

We do. That's what our codified storm water drainage standards are. Um I I know something that's been raised is how can we encourage more you know green type of storm water infrastructure things like rain gardens and bioells etc. Um, so whether that's adopting, you know, supplemental or additional regulations to that Grand County manual or providing incentives um for developments that that opt to do, you know, green infrastructure as opposed to gray quote unquote infrastructure for storm water.

We really need to look at that. Basically, we're trying to talk about getting storm water out of pipes and putting it on the surface where it can be seen and maintained and and you know what happens to a pipe in Frasier is that out of sight, out of mind, right? A few years later, it's all jammed up and

and it's gone. So, plus storm water is a resource. I mean, it's we're trying to get it back into the ground and back into our groundwater, not not just pipe it straight down and get it into the river. So because we we we depend on we want it going into the ground in in in fairly high quality ways so that we don't um mess with our town wells but but the ground is an excellent filter medium too. So, and I think I don't know if any of you have been to the John Denver park in Aspen. That's an amazing facility that Aspen created

and it was all done by their parks and recck department. But I think that's an opportunity over in um the river walk district is to incorporate and build some wetlands and to mitigate some of this instead of doing it mechanically which is kind of what we're doing on a onesie twoosie basis. You know the bison boys build a building and they put this mechanical thing in. Yeah. If it was a regional plan along the river, I think personally that would be a better way to solve the problem.

Yeah. I mean, they're literally taking rain water off the roofs and putting it in pipes underground and taking it into the storm water system where that that water coming off the roof is high quality um liquids. So, yeah. They didn't use John Denver's holding tanks that he had up there in Starwood. No, this is during the energy crisis. I'm just kidding. It's amazing. If you haven't been, I highly recommend.

Remember when that happened during Carter's they found John Denver with a thousand gallons of petroleum stored under under his driveway by his house there. So anyway, didn't do his his environmental name much, but it's the most visited place in Asa. Is it? Wow. Yeah. Good section on light pollution. Seems like Yeah, certainly. Uh strengthen our existing ordinances. The good action item. Yes. And and make it retroactive.

Well, maybe a grant or or some kind of Not at all. Well, you know, Rendevous has got a bunch of, you know, they put the cheapest lights they could possibly put in and then all of those garages that are freestanding, they are on all the time and it's it's just terrible. Yeah. So, I think would if we had something that was in writing, I could go to the homeowners meeting and strongly suggest that they replace. Yeah. Improve the writing. Yeah. That's something the homeowners association would do. They should.

I mean, if they took it upon themselves to do it, they could create some program. Some kind of a grant thing where you thought, yeah, you know, it's all consistent and everybody does the same thing. Then you got the energy efficiency here in 2.1. and a sustainability plan that we talked about earlier. Yep. Yep.

And we're keeping ahead of the drop all right with size-wise, the amount of material moving through there or I would say yes. I I think but certainly we could always promote its use. I I know composting services at the drop is something that's been discussed. Um certainly the town should at least study that feasibility of how to implement that. Um so yeah, I can tell you Andy for the composting, we're working with a consultant with Frasier and Winter Park to see what what sites could work based on the size of parcels available and and infrastructure. Yeah. you looking at a regional approach to it at all or just

We are we're looking everywhere within the county honestly. Um they've talked to Rage Creek um but uh Sarah has been spearheading that and um I think they're going to be providing a final report here soon. Yeah. Um as far as their recommendations for approaching that uh but just at the drop I just based on the the size requirements you need for that type of operation. That's not big enough. Yeah, it's really not big enough. So, have you looked at the cr is the crumbling landfill too far? Probably. Yeah. I think the farthest they're looking at is like where Ranch Creek's operation is. Does the Kremling landfill have space? It's closed, of course, but it's I think there's enough room out there for it. So, yeah. And does Summit County have um composting or

uh I believe they have an operation at their at their recycling facility and landfill there. Yeah. Yep. So, they've they've studied that as well. Yeah. Crumbling. you might be able to pick up that, but it sounds like they've already got it. So, yeah. Anyway, just an idea. There's opportunities in Kremling um with Kremling landfill and previous landfill. Yeah. Um I think they've talked about that, but I'll make sure it's on their radar. Yeah. Yeah.

You need payloaders in big piles is what it boils down to. So, so promote greenhouse gas emission uh reduction. Is there any way to track this? I mean that we I remember signing a resolution when I was mayor and it was we're going to we're going to do this. That's great. We're we're going to do it. But did we do it or how do we know we did it?

Yeah. Yeah. There are ways to track and measure that. um greenhouse gas emissions specifically. Um it's just essentially the town hiring someone to do that um analysis and reporting work on a annual basis. So be kind of nice to be able to say we were sustainable and be able to prove it by someone telling us that we're doing it or we're not doing it.

Yeah. And again, I I I think that is one of the things that the town should look to do this, you know, uh 2.3 uh strategy and its action items. Again, just kind of revisiting that s sustainability plan from 2016, doing a a new inventory, thinking of some maybe new strategies and recommendations um on on how to implement and really, you know, achieve some of these goals uh and and and really be diligent about monitoring it over time and not on a 10-year basis. Any discussion on changing the town fleet over to electric or kind of specializing in cars that we've inherited from other places. So,

yeah, it it is an action item in here. Um, you know, converting both transit. I know the Lyft is I think acquiring electric buses this year. I think it's their first is what I've heard. Um but also um town fleet vehicles to electric or hybrid electric. Um again as far as timeline of implementing that it could just be on a budgetary basis. But I think with any you know request to purchase a fleet vehicle that's that's just something for the the board to evaluate. Hey, I'll tell you that when Paul goes to look at buying a new public works vehicle, uh they look at all the options and what functionally makes sense given our climate and what the risks are, what the trade-offs are. Um and as he's been looking at some new trucks and different things, he's looking at that um and vetting that with other communities that are at high elevation that maybe have tried this.

Yeah. Um, and based on my conversation with Paul, he says for snowplow equipment, given the torque and everything else that you need, it just doesn't seem to be there yet. Right. But as we're looking at new vehicles, whether they're admin related or um or public works facility, public works vehicles, he's looking at that option every time he goes to buy and just kind of looking at vetting it and seeing if the reliability is really there yet. Yeah.

Um, and I just my conversation with him, it doesn't seem to be there quite yet. Um, Brian, you may remember this from memory, but I think Winter Park's plan is 2040 to replace all their fleet with electric buses. They are, they did just order their first one. Um, but 2040 is their plan to supposedly go 100% with a fully electric fleet across the lift, right? Yeah, across the lift. And I heard heard the other day that Volkswagen is going to start buying solid state batteries at the end of the year. And the solid state battery supposedly would give a car a 600 mile range which at which point you can't drive any farther in a day. So, so there I think we're kind of at the cusp of some battery technology too that's going to really be a game changer. So,

sure. Um the other thing for reducing vehicle miles traveled. I mean this is again going to be a thorny problem but Breen Ridge and these higher traffic areas the kind of place we're approaching is is charging for parking. So just one more incentive for people to not not bring their car or bring their car and set it in one place and use transit for the rest of it. We do have to improve our transit um system. It's is getting pretty good. Are we on half hour frequency most on most routes now or um so it's um every 15 minutes during weekends and holidays on the black line. Okay. And then it's a half hour everywhere else.

Yeah. And then double that for each line during the week. Yeah. But 15 minutes to Frasier then basically on the black line.

Yep. So, it just, you know, I mean, there you guys were talking at the last meeting, which I I want to apologize that I wasn't here, just flat spaced it after 11 years. I've never done that. I just did. But anyway, um, but you were talking about a downtown parking garage and I I think that, you know, if if we look at Breenidge again, their model is parking garages outside the community and by and good bus systems into the community to keep that real estate um with within a walkable community. So, at least worth considering. And then of course the the Breen Ridge model is you you just if you want to park downtown these are programmable parking meters and it cost a fortune to park in in the community. So so everybody is incentivized to to leave their cars you know out of the mix.

So and we're not quite there but I think in our master plan we really ought to be uh have that discussion of parking fees and just disincentivizing um driving. So, we're paying all of us are paying a fortune that everybody cruising around in their old cars. So, yep. Yeah, I I know the reduced vehicle miles traveled is is kind of a general broad statement. We do have um some other sections that speak to parking. Um, I think this is the transportation and mobility section that talked about

um ultimately finding a balance between providing parking but also making sure that we have a walkable um walkable community that has nice placemaking. So

yeah, that's the multimodal transportation in 4.2. Mhm. Mhm. Um Okay. Any any other things from sustainability and natural resources uh specifically? Okay. Let's uh the town services and infrastructure. Um pretty broad category. Um first goal is around providing services for residents of all ages, backgrounds and abilities. So strategies around child care, child care and early education, senior services, um multilingual culturally culturally inclusive communications, ADA standards, um emergency preparedness is under this category as well. Uh strategy two is about expanding health services uh or I should say goal number two strategies around increasing options for health care uh expanding mental and behavioral health services and integrating health into town programs. Goal three is about maintaining and enhancing our physical infrastructure, including water supply, incorporating green infrastructure into public streets, sewer and wastewater systems, mail delivery, recycling, u having a updated capital improvements plan. So any any comments, feedback on those? Yeah, we talked about recycling and compost. So,

the one thing we're we are lacking at the recycling center would be metal recycling. I know that gets us into trouble with appliances and that sort of thing, but I don't know if there's a any investigation of a possible way to recycle metal there. But to recycle what, Andy, I'm sorry. Metal. Metal. Yeah. Uh we actually do we had that into our contract. Uh that was an option that's brought forward uh when we brought the Ranch Creek forward. So we actually do my understand is we do have a dumpster at the the drop that is used for uh metals for metal. Oh, we do. Okay. Oh, great. Okay. Yep.

So it's written our contract. And the other major upgrade I think would happen is once power is ran to the public works facility um if it is coming up the hill there that we would be able to run power to the drop and that could that could power something like a compactor that would make better use of space. So we could actually compact cardboard better um and better utilize the space. Right. Okay. Okay. So, on to parks.

Yeah. So, the vision statement is that our parks, open space, trails, etc. enrich the community and provide fun places to explore, stay active, and enjoy a healthy environment. First goal is around protecting and enhancing our open spaces. Strategies include protecting and enhancing the Cousins Ranch open space specifically um ensuring that properties as they develop they preserve natural features um and provide new or connect to existing public open spaces and then promote responsible open space use through signage education and stewardship. This is what we talked about too. the accessibility is the these pocket parks, these corridors. So, we make sure that everything is linked together so that we don't

that's another way to reduce vehicle miles traveled as people are able to get on their bicycle or their skis right at the front door and take off. So, yeah, just a on um pro 1.1 just a minor detail, but it says on the first bullet point it says enhance both recreation and conservation. Let's flip and make it conservation and recreation just because I still think our emphasis down there has been with conservation easement you guys are putting in place. So no big deal but most of that area is going to be conserved down there. So how many acres is that? Oh, total or the conservation ement area

total. A total is north of 100 I want to say. Yeah, just over 100. So that was in addition to the 136 acres that were on the east side in Rendevu was dedicated which was the 30% of the 400 acres. the the parcel along the Frasier River Trail uh that was given to the town as part of the rendevous development is included in that number that you just cited, 936 acres.

Yeah, that's planning area 4E from rendevous. Uh but the entire Cousins Ranch open space also includes another parcel um that was part of the Safeway uh development essentially. So, it's kind of those two. Yeah. And again, the emphasis in this on public parks. Just want to make sure we aren't in the position of trying to accept private parks as part of this. That was never the intention of the town. I believe no. Parks means public.

Yeah. And like Pros 2 says a very trail network and it should be a very public trail network. So yeah, the private trails are not not helpful to any of this either. So and also that pro to um connecting the community to nature and nearby public lands. Um we're we're still working on, you know, the Galileo trail and the trails to the west hopefully connecting and then we lost our connection well from Winter Park Ranch to public lands to the east. So hopefully we can try and reestablish those. So Sure. Yeah. Well, well, we have them up through Randoo. Yeah.

And that hopefully will become an emergency access. What's that? Hopefully that trail will become an emergency access point. Yeah. So that both Runner Park Ranch and Rendevoo can use it. Okay. So that's hopefully that's in the works. Oh, you mean by the bench trail there or there might become an emergency road through there or that was the park ranch people did not want Rendevous going. I know, right? Yeah. But that lot was purchased by Rendevous with that intention. Right. And uh now with the fire danger I think we need to really be looking at as many access points as possible. Yeah. Yeah. We're pushing forward one.

Are you? Yeah. Yeah. Because Pioneer Trail loops there but it has nowhere to go. Right. So if the fire was going across north, all those people are stuck. Yeah. So yeah, makes a lot of sense. Good. Uh any other comments on uh goal number two and those strategies related to trails? Well, just continuity. I mean, that's the the main thing when we look at subdivisions, we need to see the big picture. Yeah. So, what trails are nearby and what what ways those can be connected. So, just like we do for road plans. So,

yeah. Yeah. I like all the references to wayfinding. Obviously, it's something that we are actively working on now. Um, so, you know, this is a living document. So, if we get it all if we get all the way finding in that we want, we can kind of trim that down in this document. But, but we need it right now. So, yeah. Does it talk about standard standards for wayfinding signs or early earlier up? It did. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And for those that don't know, we're working with Winter Park Resort, Town of Winter Park, Town of Frasier, and the county to have kind of uniform signage. So, as you go from one town to the next, you'll see the emblem at the top change. You know, it'll be the Winter Park Resort sign or it'll be the town of Winter Park or there'll be the Frasier logo. Um, just at the top. Other than that, it'll look identical, too. Yeah. Great.

Yeah. Uh goal three talks about indoor recreation opportunities. Uh the strategies speak to, you know, exploring potential fieldhouse or multi-purpose use facility. Uh supporting the rec center and expanding indoor programming offerings in existing buildings. I think it would be great to have a bubble, you know, just something that you can take down in the summertime, but then you put it up and you can have lacrosse practice and you can have soccer practice in there. Graanby. Yep.

Yeah. Yeah. My high school built one after I graduated. Yeah. Like, whoa, that's an upgrade.

Yeah. Uh and then goal four is about inclusive and barrierfree access to public spaces. Uh again expanding and protecting public lands, removing barriers to public spaces and promoting public events and resources. And Alaska maintain funding sources to support growth and improvements to our parks, recreation, open space, and trails. So, um, any comments on that section or so on transportation on mobility?

Glad to see a quiet zone. That was really good news, Brian, that you had that we could do a quiet zone with a half million dollars worth of crossing work. Yeah. But we'll have to push on the county for 52 hopefully. So, Mhm. Um, but also this uh TM2.1

or I'm Let's see where I'm sorry. No, T 1.1 after the quiet zone. It talks about Oh, where is it there? The Parkway. Sorry. Oh, yeah. I had that in the wrong place. We We talked about the Frasier Valley Parkway somewhere. Uh TM3.1. Oh, there it is. Yeah. So, coordinate with Grant County and the completion of the Fraser Valley Parkway, but I think we should specify from County Road 73 to County Road 50 as I don't think we have any interest in the section going north from from five because five I think really serves that purpose. So, and the main thing we're interested in in town is the is the section to the west of the community. So,

yeah. 73 to five. Yeah. More 50 actually. It connects to 50 at the bend there. So, Oh, and then 50 connects to five. Yeah. So, then you've got the connection. Yeah. You've got five already. So Scott Bradley doesn't need a county road to I mean basically that county road serves serves Denver waterland and Scott Bradley and that's it. So and we really don't need it as a community. So I'm still open to it. Yeah. Yeah. Well five five is serving the purpose for a long time here. Yeah. Yeah.

There needs to be some access out of that Scott Bradley's property, but you know, that's Yeah, I don't think it has to be all the way across. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so but as far as our our our immediate need, I think, is that is that section behind town here. So, Okay. Yeah. So I added from 73 to 50. Yeah. Sure.

Um yeah, I don't see um any kind of centralized hub for transportation in Frasier. I think that could be train station plus more there, right? just, you know, if that's the train station, then it should also be the lift bus station. It should also be the Mustang. Yeah, Mustang's already stopping there now. So, but the owner of the station kicks everybody out except for Amtrak people. I hear maybe that's some selling or um I mean he would love to sell it for Yeah. A lot of Yeah. Not too motivated.

Yeah. We do need a transportation hub. You're right. Yeah. Well, in a transportation hub, I think needs a parking garage somewhere. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Be nice to have. I don't know where you put it.

Well, that that is the model for, you know, kind of these mobility hubs that it serves all modes. So, you have parking, transit access, certainly proximity to the rail station if possible, so that it can integrate with those passenger rail services. Um so yeah. Okay. So downtown vision. Yeah. So downtown vision. This is definitely the most uh fleshed out section. A lot of this was pulled from uh the DDA's plan of development to some degree. Um, so you know, the comp plan is striving to be as consistent with that document that currently exists and is adopted already and trying to maybe build off of it uh with some of the action statements um and maybe providing some more specifics, especially as it relates to the downtown vision plan that's been produced as part of this um comprehensive planning effort. So um the other thing with the downtown vision recommendation is recommendations um is that there is a lot of overlap between you know things that we've already talked about. I mean even with the first goal talking about walking and biking kind of that non-motorized transportation um pedestrian and vehicular safety. So um probably a lot of things that we've already kind of touched on. And I think the action statements just provide a bit more detail.

So on the DT1.3 you talk about on demand ebikes. Do we want to increase the number of ebikes running around or wonder if it's just bikes? I I think the intention is like a bike a bike share system. Uh whether it's a you know purely manual or ebike bike share. Uh but the the kind of concept to where uh you know a bike share system could could or should the town implement something like that? Yeah, I see you left out scooters. Yeah, we can we can it's a big thing in Europe. Every kid

I mean it's the next generation of fat Europeans because everybody else over there's skinny. Well, the ebikes over there too. I mean and these scooters every these kids they don't walk anywhere. Yeah, we can we can reach out to Lime or whatever this new drug companies are. You know, the only thing I caution about having a program like that, the e anything where, you know, you rent it by the hour or whatever is in Denver, they got bikes scattered everywhere. People go wherever they're going and then they just ditch the bike.

Yeah. you know, and they don't return it to like an ebike spot where you put it a parking spot. They just walk down the sidewalks and you see bikes laying over on the side. So, we don't want that town. Yeah. So, you know, I I've spent some time in Denver just with school and different things in the past and used the scooters a lot when I took the Mustang down for like a 4-day intensive class and uh uh they charge you a large fee which you can change and make larger if you do not return it to a station. Um so that way they're incentivized financially to return it to a station instead of just laying it laying around.

Is that a more recent change? because I'm I'm thinking back two, three, four years ago when uh I'd be down there. I'd just see scooters everywhere around scooters though, but not necessarily bikes. I think that Yeah, but I mean it was it was in effect when I was renting there and I've been to different states before where they do the same thing. Yeah. Um additionally, you can geoence where it can automatically turn off. For example, Andy, if you have concerns about like the Frasier River Trail, for example, and providing ebikes that can go on the Frasier River Trail. Yeah, you can have it stop where the motor just will not run if you go outside the geo fence that's set.

So you could set it to just be like the pay Frasier River Trail if you wanted to. So you're not facilitating more people flying along the Frasier River Trail along blind willowed corners and running into people. So um and this last thing about um there's been discussions about scooters too. The only challenge is with certain months, if you have anything falling on the ground, like a little bit of snow, uh, some bikes could go through some of those seasonal months a little bit better than a scooter. Um, if you have like an inch of snowfall or something like that, right, good point.

Okay. And then we're talking about designing streets for this is I brought this in, Michael. Hopefully guys will have a chance to to read killed by a traffic engineer. But he talk he just talks a lot in there about, you know, as you make a street wider and straighter, people go faster and faster. And I love our new sidewalks, but Eisenhower is going to have to be plowed all the way over to that sidewalk this winter. And it's going to be interesting to see, you know, hopefully it doesn't just kind of invite more speed. I Eisenhower's kind of a speedway, I'm afraid, up and down towards the railroad crossing there. So, it's wonderful we did those, but about the only way we could do them was without a curb so that the snow plow can just clear it off, but it's just going to look like a wider street. So, so I hopefully and and Margaret, you're there's a I the Sun River um street is in here and I I guess we're in the midst of I haven't really been updated on that much at all, but that's a controversial connection, I guess. So

yeah, it's it's tough because of the impact it's having on those town homes, right? You know, taking away all their parking and yeah, it's a it's a problem. Has any kind of drawing been prepared of what that might look like? Like like over there? We've just talked about it on a high level, Andy. Um and uh we actually had a conversation um with CB Jensen, who we're going to be meeting with soon. Yeah. And I've talked to CV for quite a while about this and uh and Bob Wolf has come in and talked to us and Jim Bakarich and we've been having conversations with them about it and uh it's it's kind of a high level concept we've been talking through. Our engineers have not been able to get to any kind of basic conceptual what that could look like, right?

But they will eventually. And the idea is that we'll have a conversation with with Sun River Drive condos and town homes um to look at, you know, once we have a basic survey of that street and the width um identifying drainage problems and snow storage problems. I've already had conversations with uh some representatives from Sun River on that. Yeah. Um and and with Margaret herself, we walked down there with Bob. Um so we're we're continuing to meet and talk to people about it. The idea is to have a conversation where they can see a benefit where we can help them address maybe some some drainage issues and storm u u some snow storage issues. Yeah.

And looking at the road if uh if if we're able to do a two-way street, you know, if that's possible, you know, okay. But if if after looking at it and the designs and the space that available, if it really only makes sense for like a one-way street headed south, um maybe that's what makes sense. But we're just we're just kind of having those conversations and and being able to provide that offhighway access to things like the grocery store without having to go down and turn south on Highway 40. All right. Yeah. I think would be a benefit to the homeowners as well. And as far as just the existing street, I think the impact would be two maybe three parking spaces there. Yeah.

Um but it's just having a conversation to see if we can work towards something that I think works on both sides where they kind of see the overarching community benefit. But this is where some of these innovative street designs come in. And I sent you some pictures from Europe and and you see how, you know, they they a fairly narrow street where it's a two-way street, but they park on both sides alternating. So that it there's places where it's constricted to one lane and a car if there's two cars coming from both directions, one of them's got to wait and the other one comes through. So it again, this is the the visual clues that keep people going slowly because you're you try to keep a driver just slightly confused without creating a safety problem,

but it but instead of speed bumps, you know, which is the typical way to slow everybody down, you design a street that is is a little t difficult for a driver to navigate. And the signs I sent you of the shared streets with people and cars just to show that you know that that you have a picture of a person in a car and you said it says shared street so that people understand that all over the community. But it's just ways that we can hopefully in innovatively design our streets and still allow for snow plowing. I mean that's that's the big thing here that we still have to be able to do is clear snow. Um and some of these bumpouts instead of parking you bump it out with a tree. and they're doing some of that over in Rome now on some of those streets. So, I just hope that we can uh we can look at more of that and then then the homeowners can see, you know, a plan that plan is is helpful and you guys are in those those discussions. But we've got those kind of traffic problem points all over the community because a lot of decisions were made in the past subdivision by subdivision without tying this town together. So, so we're all on a pickle now because there's not 125 people in it here anymore. There's 1,600, you know, plus how many thousands on a weekend. So, I'm glad you guys are are approaching some of these difficult problems. The Safeway connection off of the off the uh visitor center over there that's that's finally been moving forward. And we just got to have a way for people to get across the community. But this talks a lot about um pedestrians, bicycles, cars. And I hope we can get the sense from this that that we get a rideway schematic where um cars yield to bikes yield to pedestrians. So that pedestrians are at the top of the of the heap and everybody goes slow enough that that actually happens. So, because with all this density, all these discussions we're having about piling

people up because it is a good idea, but we've got to get everybody slowed down, too, and get everybody walking and biking around and not drive driving their cars as much as as possible. So, good points.

Yeah. So, I I feel for you guys, Margaret. This is there's some tough questions down there and this these these are going to be neighborhood questions that have real impacts on on the way things have been for a long long time. So, and I think year three of all the big huge dump trucks going through our neighborhood is seems to be wrapping up finally. They they've moved a hell of a lot of dirt out of Winter Park Ranch over the three years. And what what's happened to all those long bed dump trucks can't take the left turn at Safeway. So they've been using Doc Susie for three years right in front of my house just just one after the other. It's just and the drivers have been pretty courteous about it. But it's just we we got to redesign that. Well, the other day that that intersection, I don't know if it was tied up for I think 45 minutes while they got a a long truss truck around that corner. Glenn had to come out with all the cops and he got hung up on those islands out there and the entire highway was shut down

while they got him backed up and got him redirected out through the neighborhood. So that Yeah, that Safeway intersection is just a nightmare for trucks for sure. Some Yeah, they're completely redesigning that intersection.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And you've got striping in here to delineate cyclist space. We've really got to think hard about that one because that that really doesn't work very well even where you don't have snow for seven months of the year. up. So, anything more with um DTV Downtown Vision? Garrett, do you guys have um you know, you're providing Christian Terrells is providing a conceptual design for this plaza area from the highway to the river. Um, has that captured any of these objectives?

Uh, yeah. The um so I I think that's kind of captured by this 3.1 section. Um, it, you know, specifically references that downtown vision plan. Um, so these action items here specific to uh kind of parks and open space and kind of incorporating that as part of that vision plan as part of the the design review process. So cool. Um, great. Yes. Thanks.

DTV 2.4 four. Mhm. The first bullet point it says short-term rentals to diversify housing options and probably mean lodging, right? Yes. Yeah. Good catch. Okay. And 2.2 increased foot traffic and visitation. could have a maybe a second bullet point again we talked about but some programs that reward visitors who come without cars maybe going through the buses occasionally and handing everybody some kind of voucher. Yeah.

Thank you very much. So I want to stop at bus stops sometimes when people are out in the cold and say please thank you for not bringing your car. And then DTV 3.3 talks about uh Clayton Court to the River. So um and we've talked about this in the past on maybe a fourth bullet point that talks about businesses and with patios the front on the river. this that first building down there looks like it's pretty much residential on that side, which is important, but yeah.

Yeah, I think that's kind of covered by this bullet in 3.2. Okay. Um, you know, evaluate the zone standards, make make changes that might affect active active ground floor uses along the river. Gotcha. There you go. Yeah, it's there. Cool. Yeah. The goal four is about um you know activities and events as well as high quality public realm design. Um

I'd like to make a pitch for the um Winter Park Film Festival to have Frasier spend some more money and activate Frasier with a block party and make this part of the activation events instead of it kind of got put into the bucket with pets and child care and Yeah, that was really not the right bucket. It's it's really more of an activation of the community and can be off season too. Yeah. Yeah, it is, isn't it? Let's It's Yeah, this it's right after Labor Day. Yeah. I went to the Durango Film Festival and there were venues all over town. Yeah. And it's, you know, but you have to support it because it's

it's not something that just is going to happen. Kind of like the mural fest is spread out through town too. So is there anything more for downtown vision? Yeah. Any other comments?

So we come to intergovernmental coordination. Yes. Uh, last but not least, so uh I believe it's last. Um, so again, a lot of overlap here with some of the things that we've talked about, but really the theme for this is working with our, you know, neighbors to the south and the county. um just as a whole um you know state entities like C DOT um and uh certainly the housing partnership um so yeah so I just hope the word winter park is used more in this okay

it's in here quite a few times but there are obvious are natural allies in so many of these these different um visions that we have. So, yeah, certainly. And for government efficiency, I mean, we're looking, you guys are look, the board's looking hard now at at a public works facility and um Winter Park has a nice one on the north or south end of all the community. Um ours is going to be much better. I know, but wouldn't it be nice to have for Winter Park to share that facility up here? We had a common road department. I think that would make a lot of sense. Yeah. Mhm.

So that would efficiencies of scale especially especially in streets and roads. So and they and they need better service on the west side of the tracks and that's where ours is going. Right. So anyway just that that that to me is one of the biggest opportunities for cost savings. And I I don't know that we'll ever see the two towns combined but we could certainly see the two towns combining a lot of services. Mhm. And maybe one day everybody will go, "What? We are one town, maybe." Yeah, maybe. Transfer tax. Maybe. Yeah.

But lots of good talk about Grant County, too. Obviously, so much need to cooperate and work with Grant County. So, Okay, great. Well, I really appreciate all the discussion, all the feedback. Uh certainly took some some notes here, changes and additions and and things like that. So, um we'll continue to craft this text document um as we work to uh adopt the comprehensive plan later this year. So, one one other So, we we got to office of management and IC 5.4. We're talking about disaster preparedness. Mhm.

Uh and you got regarding the prevention, response, and mitigation of natural and humanmade disasters. We just need to really think hard about prevention. That's the the thing that seems to we're all falling down on is trying to foresee what's coming and doing what we can to to uh help help it before it happens, mitigate it before it happens. Certainly, it's pretty shocking to watch what's going on in Texas. Fingerpointing and Yeah. the lack of planning and just really sad. And I you look around this up in the mountains these what dorado they call them or these

datios just think of one of those hit town and these are tornado events. They're tornado/hurricane events and there's nothing that says one of those can't end up on the valley floor down here. So maybe we need to look at our building codes a little more a little more with in mind that we're not we're not outside of tornado alley whatever they are they're they're 250 mph winds it looks like so I have one last thing to say I I liked it 21 pages long. It was a long read.

Yes. And I kept thinking to myself over and over again, measles. Okay, measles. You know, a measles chart. Uh, I'm not familiar. Okay. Um, we've got so many references that are interrelated. Mhm.

I was thinking if I was just looking at this for the first time, which I was essentially looking at it. Um, it would be kind of nice. A measel chart is where you on different axes you have different things and you put dots so you can see the interconnectedness of everything. And I was just thinking if there was a simple visual way that we could demonstrate how this whole plan fits together and is so interconnected because every time I would read oh and that was covered in section and I would go oh yeah that's right. Yeah. So there's all kinds of connections made throughout this document. I'm just suggesting if we looked at some kind of a graphic presentation for someone who was trying to comprehend what all of this means, they could see that it's all not dispersed. It's all very interconnected and very doable together as one plan.

Might help us consolidate it some too. Yeah. Yeah. I I think that's an absolutely valid comment. I would just maybe state that what we viewed was simply just to try to evaluate the text statements themselves and that as the comprehensive plan the kind of formatting and lossing up of it if you will uh gets put together over the coming months I think visual aid some sort of chart or implementation matrix or something like that will certainly be part of it we used to call a masel's chart and Yeah. So, so you looked it up there. Yes, I see. It is a real thing. It is a real

Yeah, we're going to get into a discussion of vaccination stuff. Vaccination missed that. But yes, that's a totally valid point. Again, I think um a as actual text and content gets finalized, there will be some some formatting to help simplify the usability, the readability of of this document. Certainly. So, sounds like a good project for AI. Yeah. And as of today, unregulated AI. So, that's right. I bet you could give that task to AI and he he she whatever whatever sex it is.

They they and they would whip you out of measles.

Yeah. Alrighty. Um, so any other business, any future agenda items? I can just briefly mention them. We will have a couple sketch plans coming forward in August. Um, uh, one for Meer lot one and then another for planning area 2W.3 in Grand Park. Um this was part of the village at Grand Park proposal um that was submitted last year and then ultimately withdrawn. So that's coming back as a sketch plan. So the planning commission will have an opportunity to review that and provide some formal feedback. Uh as well as a sketch plan for my lot one. Um, I know last month we mentioned kind of the state um, uh, law around non-functional turf prohibition. We'll have to bring that forward later in the year. We're currently targeting September, so I know everyone's waiting with baited breath for that. Um, but uh, that's that's currently the the main things for August. So,

okay. Yeah. All right. Take a motion to adjurnn. Move to journ. I second. All in favor? I I. Thanks everybody. You're welcome. Again, once again, I apologize for not being here. It's all good. I got my