Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Yeah, you're on forum. So, we were waiting. Okay. Are we ready, internet? I wonder if you can open it in this. Okay. So, let's call this meeting of the uh Frasier Planning Commission to order, please, with a roll call. Margaret BS, Katie Souls, Boby, Andy Miller. Okay. And the consent agenda or I'm sorry, call for an approval of the agenda. So, so moved. What? All in favor? I I

I thank you. Um, so the consent agenda tonight is just the minutes from the November 12th meeting back before the holidays. So I have a motion to approve the minutes. So moved. Second. All in favor? I I thank you.

Okay. So open forum tonight. So clerk still practicing, but does anybody need the the podium for open forum? Be right out of it. No problem. Looks like nobody in anybody online at all, Antonet. Okay. So, nobody for open forum. We'll move to public hearing and possible action for Grand Park West Mountain Filing number one. Final plat and Alan will be uh leading the presentation. J. Okay. Alan, you're gonna pull your mic closer. You're going to stay sitting down. Thank you.

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Oh, and it wasn't on. That's why. Okay, good evening planning commission. I'm Alan Celiff, assistant planner. Tonight, I'll be presenting a revised final plat and final development plan for the Grand Park West Mountain filing one covering planning areas 10W and 11W. Uh so the uh just basics overview the uh applicant property owner West Mountain Development um as as it's uh um now now known for the West Mountain area located north and west of uh Union Pacific Railroad um along a proposed extension of Grand Park Drive. The existing approval and proposed land use is 79 single family residences. Again, it's uh zoned PD in the Grand Park Plant development area. And the request is to maintain the existing approval of 79 lots, but um included as revisions to the previously approved street and lot layout. So, since it's a a revision requiring a major amendment um which is dictated by the major amendment or uh allowances for minor amendments, which this isn't included. So the major amendments um which specifically states uh lots and block reorientation this is required to go to a public hearing. Um so we noticed it uh all noticing requirements for a public um public hearing including notice in the middle park times. Uh the applicant did mailed property notices and then and affidavit and mailing

receipts are included in the planning commission packet. So, being that this is now the third time before the planning commission, just a brief summary of kind of the timeline here. As always, going back to 20 2005 when the original Grand Park development um plan development plan was approved. This specific filing, the first filing of West Mountain, uh first came forward in March of 2023. It was approved as a preliminary plat at that time and a final development plan by the planning commission. Um in summer May June of 2024 um the final plat and the FPDP was then approved by the planning commission and the board of trustees. Uh about 6 months later a the first revision was brought forward um to the planning commission and board of trustees. This revision increased uh the original approval from 72 lots to 79 lots and then the proposal today um maintaining that 79 lots but reorienting some of the subdivision layout. So here's the general location on West Mountain. Um this is a a vicinity map provided on the FPDP. It includes both existing and proposed development. So that's what um a lot of the lot lines and road network to the west to the left side here in West Mountain is showing is the the f preliminary plans for the future development and then existing development to the right here along the railroad and highway 40. A little bit of additional uh location context here. Here is the filing one area uh kind of superimposed over an existing aerial. Ariel's maybe about a year and a half old now, but um Grand Park Drive branching from uh US 40 past Old Victory Road and the uh railroad is

proposed to continue to the south southwest into West Mountain filing one and as the first development uh will be along the west side of Grand Park Drive. Um, and then as kind of we'll be seeing in some additional documentation, we're starting to see some additional context of the future filings of West Martin West Mountain to be able to kind of place this in the the larger picture of um what's proposed. So detailing uh some of the specifics of the changes on the left side here we have the most recent approval from January 2000 uh 2025. Uh, it includes two main access points off Grand Park Drive with Oh, I didn't do that. Let's go back. Um, two main access points. Uh, the main one being Einwood Road at the time being the first um, road connection and then a smaller access point on Compass Drive at the uh, far end of the filing. Um the proposed layout is adding basically a third connection and relocating the main through connection. So the what was Pinewood Road is now known as Overlook Drive and it's a smaller connection just into the immediate neighborhood. And then the second connection is going to include a roundabout or traffic circle to connect through um filing one onto filing two uh and future development. And just as a reminder, the planning commission did actually see sketch plan for filing to area in April of uh 2025 last year. So this is um this redesign is based in part on kind of more um more detailed design work going on in filing 2 um which has since been submitted and is is under review but hasn't been uh brought to the planning commission yet.

So again, this is the uh the code language requiring the approval for an FPDP. Um in every other way, it would have qualified as a minor amendment, but included in the language for major FPDP amendments is this um inclusion of rearrangement of lots, blocks, and building tracks. Um this slide is showing the land use plan kind of um delineating the the development portions between the planning areas now proposed. Uh some of the key differences with the previous uh filing one approval is there's now before there was two 10W um portions 10W.1 and point2 that's been consolidated into a single 10W.1 and then portions of 23W have been added into this filing. Um just to note that this generally consistent with this area of 23W was included in the sketch plan for filing two. it kind of wrapped around filing one. So, this is is just kind of redistributing it into this filing to make it a more regular shaped FPDP area since it's immediately adjacent to it. Um 23W is showing that it's including Grand Park Drive and Outpost Club Drive. Um this is consistent with um major roadways in the Grand Park PD uh road master plan and how previous FPDPS for Grand Park have um have allocated the space dedicated to the major roadways. And then here these highlighted areas are just highlighting the um the final uh development proposal. So again, it's 38 units for 10W1 and 41 for 11W that totals to 79. And then the acreages have been slightly adjusted to um and going

back and comparing kind of the previous submitts, the acreage of the 10W and 11W planning areas has increased slightly by about 3 acres, but it looks like it was about a 3 acre decrease previously between the original approval and the first revision. So, um the resulting acreage in in this proposal is roughly consistent with what was originally approved uh back in June 2024. And then here's the the 16.7 acres is being uh allocated towards 23W through this. Um just some additional context here. Saw the image on the left is the overall planning areas from the Grand Park PD. Again, the filing one area and the planning areas weren't a perfect match. Um they weren't originally a perfect match, but they're generally in the vicinity and no major changes to to that's occurring here. And then on the right side here, now that we have additional info, this was included in the final plat for filing one, but just outside of it, you can see the ultimate build out of final filing two for the full kind of 10W, 9W, 10W, and 11W area and see how the the reoriented road networks or road connections connect through and ultimately up into the filing area, which is going to is proposed to consist of more substantial kind of mixeduse commercial lodging and the outpost clubhouse um building that we previously discussed during the sketch plan for this some additional uh studies underway. So the image on the left is just a um kind overall image of the water master plan. This was discussed previously um with the previous revision in 2025 in January

uh that the water master plan is um still under review and it was included as a condition of approval. We're carrying that forward because the water master plan um hasn't been fully approved yet. In fact, it was also resubmitted uh in just this month in January to account for um design updates for West Mountain as the rest of the the um kind of the mountains infrastructure are getting planned out. So, that is still under review and staff is recommending that condition of approval be carried forward um as it's still applicable. And then the image on the right is an image from the traffic impact study that was also submitted in January of uh of this year 2026. Apologies if I misspoke previously. Um the traffic impact study wasn't previously identified for filing one um on account of the relatively low um unit numbers being proposed. But starting with filing two um more substantial traffic analysis was requested and required. that's now been submitted and is under review with filing too, but we wanted to provide it here for context. It's one of the items in the um in the planning commission packet tonight just to help justify uh why the the traffic circle was introduced um the additional space needed and some of the intersections that were being moved around. So, it impacts filing one, but ultimately filing one isn't relying on on it. So we don't um we're not recommending that that be included as a condition of approval. So all that to say is generally again um the resolution is included in the packet but we're carrying forward all the same conditions of approval. um they relate to addressing um referral comments, receiving approval of the West Mountain Water Master Plan um and and specifying that that's to be done before the FPDP

or any phase the final plat is recorded and then the additional standard requirements in terms of executing a DIA finalizing addressing and recording HOA documents. The next steps would be um should this be recommended for approval, it'll be going to the board of trustees February 18th, next month. Um and as I mentioned before, the FPDP and preliminary plat have been um um submitted and are currently under review for filing too. So that will be coming before the planning commission in um in the coming months. And then we're tracking the uh water master plan and the traffic impact study. So we should have u more updates and be able to speak to that more specifically with the filing to uh application once that comes forward. So that concludes my presentation relatively brief but um happy to answer any questions and I know the applicant also has um you would speak on this.

Any initial comments from the board at all or over here the presentation? I like the improvements they made to the road system. Yeah, seems a little better. I like the roundabout. Yeah. And remind me, do does Parks and Wildlife review are they review agency or Okay,

they Well, excuse me. They are typically they just provide a standard um kind of list of uh list of comments that are more guidelines and suggestions than anything else. I would say um I'm not sure if they responded to this reform specifically. Frankly, I think I don't think we included them on this one as a relatively minor amendment. I can double check, but what we generally do is include all the agencies on the initial uh referral. And then um if there's outstanding comments, we'll we'll include them in the remaining submitts. And then if there was a revision that I guess that we determined would impact them, we would have ref referred it back out to them. Um, so maybe once I stop sharing my screen, I could pull up the email and see if they were included in this referral, but I don't believe I did.

Yeah, I just I think as we move over to West Mountain, we'll, you know, we're talking a bit more about wildlife and and uh and a and a whole new area to be they definitely were on the filing too and would be in all the other medals. Go ahead, Clark, if you would.

Yeah, thank you everyone. Um, third time's a charm, I guess, right? Um, so this is a minor amendment. Um we uh were requested and I just want to clarify the traffic study they have is it's not we already have traffic studies approved for all of Grand Park. That's part of the PDD process. Um and why you do a PDD, right? To do all those kind of master studies up front. Um we had a request uh that was clarified and scoped very uh detailed wise uh with Garrett uh to do some intersection studies. Um and then uh and I think frankly, you know, it yielded a good result here uh with the outpost club drive. Um we you have this club idea and as we've studied the club more uh and what it's going to entail and then we have a hotel next to the club. Uh generally I I we we've basically created kind of a boulevard, right? uh in a roundabout that is in a to me a way better location than the old route which is still there but won't be a primary route to get to the club. So I think that was the the the driver of this amendment that we're bringing forth to you all and and it is a good enhancement. Um the the one thing I would like to clarify we do have an approval letter from Merrick dated November 12, 2024 on the master water submitt. So, I'll give you that. I think you have that, but it's out made out to Michael Brack, but um that was our fourth submittal. Um there's been some revisions and edits uh to that, but we did address that requirement by the town board previously. Um I'd also like to point out that the annexation agreement doesn't require approval to record FDPS and record final plats. rather it records it requires submitt um and and because once again remember a PDD there's mass amounts of study and

engineering done on the front end there's actually master water and master sewer plans in the PDD as recorded pages so now what we do is we refine those as we move forward with the project um and so the submitt that was just made on the 9th takes into account the new road alignment that we adjusted and of course you know there's is not a big deal to me. I just want to make the point that that has been approved. It's only required to be submitted per the annexation agreement that I have here. Um, and I would prefer it not to be a condition, but I also they only have 30 days to review uh under the annexation agreement for master water related items. So, I mean, we're only talking about two weeks, so probably approved before we might even get to town board, I would hope. So cuz it was pretty minor just relocating some stuff and and one of the things that evolved out of that too is we worked diligently with the fire department and the town on tanks and tank designs the water tanks u and I think have um arrived at a very robust uh water tank system that is favorable to the fire department and should be beneficial to Frraasier in terms of operations and operational efficiency. So, two tanks instead of three. Uh, but you know, a lot of fire stores. So, um, so I feel really good about that. Um, and and we round it up on some tanks because I think it's more efficient to build the same size tank twice than, you know, design it once. So, we have two 500,000 gallon tanks that'll be going in.

What's that? Where will the tanks be? Uh, well, they go up the mountain. There's different zones, Andy. So, um, like in Rhondu, for instance, I built the yellow zone tank. The town actually built the green zone tank. We paid for it, but that's kind of how it the initial tank that was ever built. The town did it. Um, so we have um a green zone tank and a red zone tank. Uh, the red zone tank is up near our uh service boundary at the top. Uh, it's very top of the property. Okay. And those are going in as part of this subdivision or

No. Okay. Yeah. The master water plan, the master water infrastructure is planned to get installed imminently. Uh we just need final construction drawings and it's all being bid out, but you know, it's miles of pipe and it's big infrastructure.

Uh the tank uh there's a pump station for this one because there's significant capacity in our current system. So, there's a pump station in this one uh that would feed off the yellow zone tank that I built uh in rendevous uh that has excess capacity. Part of this is in the yellow zone, part of it in the green zone, I think. Uh so, it's kind of a crossover. The pump addresses that. And then then the there's a the first tank that'll be getting built. I'd like to build them concurrently, uh is the blue zone, not blue zones, Frasier zone, sorry, the green zone tank. So got too many colors because Ronnu's, you know, kind of the the sides in, you know, picture a valley, right? And we got pressure zones are at the same exact elevation, both sides of the valley.

Right.

Right. And they cross over. So um but anyway, uh your staff's been very involved and uh that's proceeding and and moving along. And the only thing I think on the traffic study that I just wanted to make a point of is that it's just a uh it's not a full full-blown traffic study. It's the scope that we narrowed it down to. still very extensive, includes transportation analysis and a number of other factors that were asked for by the staff that I was happy to accommodate. But the the predominant thing that came out of it is um this roundabout and boulevard of a main main collector road, remind me collector road, I think. Uh going out to the clubhouse and the hotel site, which I do think is a big improvement. That's what's driven this change. Okay, so pretty straightforward otherwise. So, there was some discussion of the trail that appeared on the um original documents along the railroad tracks. Is there And I know you've looked at that in the past, I think, Clark. Is that any that coming any closer to uh possibility or

Well, so I don't see a trail on the recorded PDD. I know that's been a comment and we've addressed that comment a number of times as staff. Um and the uh the trails that we built and provided uh Andy or or or are being provided are um uh so we've addressed this in staff comments and responses previously but um we have that the the public trails are specifically outlined in the annexation agreement. they're actually specified. Um, and so far, uh, we have, uh, it's section 10.5 of the annexation agreement, by the way, if you would like to look at that. Um, and we have done the Leland Creek Trail. Uh, the US40 trail, the Grand Park Drive is partially completed. Obviously, it does go all the way through. You just have to go through the Willows. Um, sorry, not on Grand Old Victory Road. The old Victory Road Trail is uh partially completed, but it does connect through through the Willows subdivision. So, when that little road segment that's not built now is finished, then that 8 foot wide public trail that the town will maintain goes through. And then, uh Grandpark Drive is partially completed from the highway to our gate uh on the West Mountain. And it'll be extended with this project up Grand Park Drive. It's in the design drawings. Um it'll be extended up to the outpost club roundabout I think in the construction drawings. So kind of sequentially as we build that main uh arterial road uh connection which is where the public trails are required those trails get added. Um secondly I'd like to point out that um there's some really awkward topography uh right there next to the railroad tracks um that's not conducive to a trail. There is a trail on the other side of the tracks. It's pretty good trail. I

was actually going to replace it on the east side of the tracks, but why replace it? Because it's pretty heavily used. Somebody magically did help clean up some of it, so it's even more usable. Um, but I think the uh the other component is we've got a drop a golf driving range now uh playing uh off of uh like kind of the 9Wish area uh near the hotel that plays down to the railroad, the driving range. And then you've got golf holes. Uh there's a few golf holes that are right next to the railroad down in the very bottom in a great big pond that is part of the water system for the golf course. Um and and golf and trails generally don't work well together. Right. So so I mean kind you consider all the factors. My response to that comment is you know we're going to put trails where they're required. We'll have other trails. I know we'll have other trails. Um you know will they be public and maintained by Frasier? I think that's yet to be determined.

So do you think there's is there any opportunity on the east side to get the trail out of the rideway the railroad rideway or? No. I designed a really cool trail with um uh help me out uh Elliot. Yeah,

Elliot. Yeah, Elliot and I walk and laid out a really cool trail um from uh Can Road 72 uh using the Elk Creek Conservation Event Corridor that I had granted and kind of running along. We had a few creek crossings. It was pretty cool. And then went up and over Cousins Point. So, we had some switchbacks there and then ran uh in that large. is part of 23W, but the large area um between Grand Park Drive and the railroad, you know, where we brought the grade down.

Um and the cost was quite substantial. Uh could have been, you know, it could have been cool, but then at the same token, we're like, does it benefit anything? Like when you already have an existing trail that's heavily used that's literally like right next to it pretty much, what's the point? What do you mean? It was expensive to build. Yeah, it was going to be single track. It was going to be like a single back single track hiking and biking trail. Yeah. Um but uh instead we opted to say, well, let's help clean up some of the stuff blocking the other trail and yeah, trouble with that one because of course it's in the railroad right away and

but you know, should it ever become an issue, you know, I think there's always an option there. We just need to figure out who's going to build that pay for it because it was expensive. Yeah. Um Yeah, it's expensive. It's amazing how much it costs to build trails, but Elliot, I think, has done a really good job uh on a lot of the trails around here. Yeah, that was I did that like three years ago. But there there are grant monies available and it be Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, if it's something the town wanted to pursue, I would support that. I mean, I think it could be really cool. I just, you know, for us economically, didn't make sense for our HOA to do it. Doesn't make sense for me to do it. Yeah.

Um and you know, Elliot would probably love to do it. Um, you know, granted he's pretty booked out, so just one of those things, but it could have been really cool. It was going to connect up with the at the underpass trail. The trail that we put in under the railroad underpass is where it connected. Right. So, and then um one of the trail question there's a a really nice trail on Leland Creek down below your project here. Yeah, I built that trail. Yeah. Yeah. So some some con maybe a connection or two between this and to make it a little bit more user friendly to get over onto that trail with all out going all the way down to King's Crossing and back up again. Just Andy, there's a connection right there. What? I'm not sure what you're talking about. Isn't that a great connection? Okay.

Yeah. When you go under the underpass. Yeah. Well, right there. But I mean from if when you're farther up the hill Oh, you're talking about way up the mountain when you're on your in your subdivision farther up. just I don't know if there's a possibility of of you know making a bit of a shortcut so people can get on that trail from your project easier. Out of our project we have a number of spots designed for people out of our project to get to the forest service trails and those trails etc. We we I think those are clearly delineated on our FPD piece submittals with arrows leaving the property. Okay. Um because you know like at the top we have snowmobiles running out of there right now. Oh yeah.

Right at the top. So we're trying to maintain that. That was an old Jeepro that's gated off side of the for, but we use it a lot. It's kind of a primary connection where our power to the top came in. Um, yeah, we have, you know, I ride u on uh the Denver water board. You know, there's like an old road that went through our property and looped around in the upper part of Leland Creek that's there still. And I I rode on that. And you know, we have we have a number of connections planned to connect to WTB and all the I ride all those trails, Andy. So, No, I do too. Um, so you know, Sunset Pink, so on and so forth. So we'll Yeah, there's those will come along as we get up the West Mountain.

It would just be it' be a nice supplement to your transportation plan, you know, as we go along with more projects up here. Yeah. I mean, I don't necessarily see trails as transportation, but but regardless, uh, it it it's a great amenity. Yeah. And it's a nice convenience for people. So great. We're going to try to try to maintain what we can in terms of connections with our forest service uh adjacent properties because there's some great trails back there for sure. Uh that's it for me. I mean, unless you guys have any questions, I just want to mainly cover the traffic, the water. Um I think I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. I mean, that was referring to the master water plan said we have no further comments on it. So, I don't know if y'all got a copy of that and so y'all can talk about it.

I'm guessing further revisions than trigger. Well, I think we've made revisions and recommitted and that's going to happen over and over and over again, guys. Right. So, I mean, you're going to have revisions as we refine FPDPS and detail in stuff. You know, that that master water plan's going to more likely than not like where we shifted road related to comments from you guys. I think good idea. Uh, but you're going to have those kind of evolutions. So, shouldn't require, you know, a whole another kind of link up. But, but the annexation agreement does require submitt. So, we did meet that requirement already and I would like to stick with the language in the annexation agreement. So,

I have a question. Are are you suggesting that we remove that condition of approval? That's what you're suggesting. Yep. Yeah. That's what I would like to have done is take that condition off at this stage because I haven't we haven't seen it when you were just clarifying the green zone or the yellow zone or red zone. Do you really want to see it? Would you even know what looking at from a construction plan perspective. Yeah, there's a whole lot of engineers involved in that one. If you already have it and it's been submitted, right? I don't think it's a problem leaving it in here. Like I say, guys, I think it's approved. I mean, I think it's already been approved, but I think it's a condition that probably is hopefully off the table before we get to our February 18th town board meeting. I bet.

Yeah. Because I mean, there are literally no other than a pipe realignment. I mean, Merrick's not going to be commenting on a pipe that was realigned for a road, right? I mean, it's going to be pretty. I'm sure the engineers met the town standards and it should all be good. Um, so, uh, any other questions for me, guys? I think maybe while Clark is up at the podium, I I do think it warrants maybe a broader discussion. Um, again, this letter from Merrick is dated November 12th, 2024. Um, since that time, we've had at least three, maybe even four additional submittals of the water master plan. And additionally, since this time, since the November 2024 letter, some of the comments in subsequent review letters from MER, I'm looking at one. In fact, I'll go ahead and share my screen. This one's already out of date. It's from June of last year. Um, but it notes um comments relating to water supply sources. Um, I I still don't believe that has been addressed in any subsequent submitts of the water master plan. Thus far, they've focused on um layout and location of water manes as well as water tanks and pump stations. Um, to my knowledge, the town still has not received any information regarding water supply sources, the actual wells that would pump water out of the ground to a treatment facility and then send that treated water to these development areas. Um, that is one aspect of this water master plan that has not been submitted. Um, and furthermore, I would I would just state that even revisions to something that was previously

approved, that doesn't mean it's still approved. In my opinion, the the revisions to those construction documents that Merrick issued this approval letter in November of 2024, those revisions have been significant enough in these subsequent submittals that I would not consider this prior approval still valid because there have been revisions. So, okay, hang on. Can I address that while it's fresh in my mind? You sure?

Go ahead. Maybe you'll answer my question. So, first of all, uh there's been a number of water source facilities submittals and I'm shocked and surprised that your planning director is not aware of those. Uh your public works director in Merik has been involved in and commented on multiple water source submittal plans. In fact, the last round of revisions, they said, "Clark, we'll we'll turn this back around in 14 days if you just make these adjustments and revisions." So, long and the short, um there's been a number of water source submitts to the public works department to MER. Um and what Garrett just said is factually incorrect. So, just for the record. Um secondly, um I'd like to point to article five of the annexation agreement since we're going to dive into this. Let's dive into it. Section 5.3 of the annexation agreement. plain language prior to approval of an FPDP or subdivision application. Okay, so that means that prior to it being approved, okay, developer, it's us shall submit design drawings and text documents based upon the master water plan for any water for source facilities required to serve the subdivision. Okay, that's for the subdivision, not for the master overall project. That's what the PDD was for. So, you've already got construction drawings that are submitted with these plans. Okay. But this requirement, the same thing follows for the master water system. Got water source facility, master water system, uh water, master water design. Those items have to be submitted prior to approval. not approved prior to approval. Do you guys understand the difference? The big difference. And let me explain

why that's written that way. These are big picture, very large conceptual engineering documents. They're fungeible. They're flexible. The actual construction documents that tie into this big picture stuff is required and submitted with the plans. Those are the construction drawings for the subdivision. Okay. And as for water source facilities, we have substantial amount of EQRS currently available based on the system we've already built, right? It's called the S system. So it's the old Mbell system. Um, and the uh comments have been relatively minor on the source plan and I think we have a pretty good uh idea of when we need to bring on more wells and the treatment plant uh thankfully uh back when we built that in 2000 was designed for expansion. Um it's got two pumps in it to right now. One's redundant so only one operates at a time and space for another 290 gallon per minute pump. uh that pump will get dropped in when we max out the first 290 gallon per minute pump, which we're not quite there, but we're close. So, those kind of things are all spelled out in this water source plan. Uh and we haven't gotten the final final one uh done done, but I can assure you that it's like virtually finished. It's almost there. Um so, I feel really confident that we've met the letter of the law, the letter of the annexation agreement we entered into. We've submitted all these things uh and these FPDPS, preliminary plat final plats shouldn't be getting held up over submission requirements that have been made and there shouldn't be additional burden put on us to have those approved prior to having a final plat approved or

an FPDP approved. That is an additional burden not in your town code, not in this annexation agreement. That is the town unilaterally saying, "Well, now we want this Okay, that's not what the agreement is, guys. So, let's just be real clear. Let's not have another fight. Let's follow our annexation agreement. Huh? And and the letter of the law. So, that would be my request. And I think that would be wise of everyone here to do that.

So, I'm still a little bit unclear on something. Has So, we're you're waiting for the you're waiting for that approval and you said you thought it was going to come before No, I'm not waiting for the approval. Garrett and Allan and the town board would like to wait for the approval before this is reported and finished. But uh what what I'm trying to tell you is the master water plan submitt that has been made. Yeah. Is construction level design drawings for the entire water system. And that should get uh because it's already been approved once

uh and the adjustments were literally shifting some pipes. I should get a I see no reason for Merrick not to approve that plan. Uh and they have 30 days per the annexation agreement to review those kind of submitts. And Merrick's the one that does the approval. Merrick is the town's engineer that's wait that and that's the approval that that you all Yeah, that's the one that I just passed to them. Okay. All right. Y Okay. Um understand.

Yeah. And then the water source plan. Um I actually did uh I had some questions on it on Monday and uh Michael Arian who used to be with resource engineering who helped us drill the rendevous wells um is now with the firm uh Colorado River Water Engineering. Uh any case he's involved. I wanted him to look over this uh ensure that we were uh exactly in line with the water rights that we gave to the town to serve this project, right? The 98 CW41 water augmentation plan. And he has confirmed that. So, I'm sure they're putting finishing touches on the the final version of that. And I see no issues with that. We do have uh expectations to probably be drilling another well or two this summer. Okay, they don't need to be online this summer. There's time,

but there's a process and it's a lengthy process with um Yan probably didn't know all this stuff, but basically the CDPHE has a very lengthy process for bringing wells online to a public water system. Okay. Okay. And it's like a year worth of pump testing and water quality testing and all this other stuff. And so all of those regulations need to be met and followed. Hence why we would like to go ahead and get some additional uh wells on. We're also probably going to repump test some wells that are test wells that we drilled before that don't have pumps in them. Okay. During that whole process. So goal is max out the treatment plant we built in Rendezvous. Uh which feeds our side too. that helps kind of town consolidation and management, keeps it more condensed and and the ideal situation is all of the wells are on that side. However, when I did the highway crossing and brought all the utilities over from Rendevous to Grand Park, I did put a raw water line in under the highway designed, it's approved by the town. I think the town owns it maybe uh for wells that are in the well field designed on the west side to feed water back to the treatment plant. So those kind of facilities are already in place and sitting there. So a lot of stuff, but um you wouldn't think it's so complicated to get water out of our faucets, right?

But it's pretty critical, too. Oh, it's very critical. I mean, you don't think I'd take it really, really, really serious. We have a lot of people that are very, very smart involved in this stuff. Well, and we depend on our town staff and engineer to help us with this, too. So, Y. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. So, I think we're in good shape on that stuff, guys. So, so just if I could clarify because I I'm not sure Margaret's question ever got answered. What you're asking us to do is to move forward with an approval of this, but to remove condition number two. I don't have their condition list, but whatever condition was

in their staff reports condition two. Yep. And it has to do with the West Mountain Water Master Plant, which you say is the plan for the whole West Mountain. And that was submitted before. And what we're now talking about is filing one, right? And so you don't have to necessarily have I think your point was you don't necessarily have to have the final approval of the grandmaster plan for the whole West Mountain in order to get started with filing one and do what you need to do for your water there. You got it.

Okay. That's what I I thought we were headed towards. Thank you. Yep. Should have just let you explain that a lot faster. good at resurgating. Any other questions for the applicant from the board? Okay. Thanks, Clark. Thank you all. Appreciate everyone's time.

So, but my impression from staff is that they would feel more comfortable to have that condition left and then hopefully resolve before the town board meeting. And if there is a question with the annexation agreement that we can modify that the town because it's the town that um approves this. So yeah, staff's strong recommendation is to keep that condition of approval in at this time recognizing that this application will advance to the board of trustees for final approval. And um at that time that condition may be removed after planning staff is able to confer with staff in public works and get their opinion on this matter. Yeah. Okay.

All right. So any other questions? So my question to you Garrett would be so all of that happens. Let us finish our discussion here. Clark I'm sorry. Uh so my question to you is if all of that discussion happens and he happens to get master plan commented and he responds and it gets approved then when it gets pre presented to the board of trustees that condition would be automatically removed because you'd be satisfied if it could be automatically removed if that condition remains on it after I

well so If it goes before the trustees and the town is, you know, happy with what they've had their conversations with all interested parties, then why would it be put to the trustees with the condition? Part of our motion and at that point at the at the trustees meeting the staff and the town engineer would say that they this this condition has been resolved. Okay. All right. M and that sounds like it'd be pretty easy to have that done. So, would you take it off of the recommendation though or would you leave it on and say it's been resolved? What how would you handle that? It's just two different things.

Yeah, I that's a fair point. I think it's to be determined based on um where we're at leading into the the board meeting, right? As we communicated with the applicant. If the planning commission chooses to approve this resolution and advance it to the board, we anticipate bringing this to the board on February 18th, which is just 3 weeks from now, which is a relatively short amount of time, but certainly enough time for planning staff to confer with public works staff as well as MERIC. Um, we received, as I mentioned, a resubmitt of the construction drawings associated with the water master plan earlier this month in January, which are still under review. Um, you know, it it could be possible that um, MERIC and public works are comfortable with the submittal that they have received and other prior documentation from prior submittals to remove that condition of approval. So if staff determines that within the next three weeks, we will modify our staff report and our planning recommendations regarding that condition um if if necessary or we will leave it in and continue to work with public works and the applicant to ensure that those conditions are satisfied.

Is there a question for our uh legal team too in terms of the tie in to the annexation agreement and um our expectations Well, staff has those resources for what we need at this time. So that just run it by the legal team.

I think that's a fair question to ask. I will just add that this was a condition of approval for the approval of filing one a year ago as well as I believe the original approval prior to that in 2024. So I I also think that staff is being consistent with keeping that condition in for this approval. But certainly we will confer with public works and Merrick um ahead of February 18th again if you all choose to advance this applicant of course. So yes and the applicant of course. Y can I make a motion? Yes.

Yep. I'd like to make a motion to approve time commission resolution 2026101 recommending approval park west mountain file one um as is on our agenda. I'll second that. Okay.

Any further discussion? Uh I'm concerned about the legal side of this in terms of you know the annexation agreement what he said earlier. So you we can go ahead and vote on it but I'm concerned about that and I I I agree with Clark on that. So that's just so you know where I'm coming from. So let's let's take an individual vote then. uh um rather than vote in mass. So, could we have a vote, please? Starting with Bob.

Well, I'm taking Garrett at his word that he'd remove that condition before it gets to the trustees if everything's satisfied by that time. And because I'm taking his word for that, I vote yay. Katie, yay. Margaret, I'm going to vote no simply because of that condition. If if I had my way, I'd have it removed. Okay. I'm going to vote no for that reason. Okay. Can I vote? But does that run into a quorum problem at all? Does it? Okay. Yeah.

Thank you everyone. Okay. So, um we'll move on to approving and certifying the Fraser Forward comprehensive plan.

All right. Thank you, Chair Miller. We do have uh Nora Bland from Cushing Terrell, our consultant partner, working with the town on the comprehensive plan. she is going to kick us off with a uh a presentation and then following that um I thought it would just be valuable to spend some time open up the plan document and kind of highlight the key areas that changed from our review of the plan in uh November. Um but yeah, Nora, feel free to take it away. Okay, great. And I can share screen. Nora, one second. Um, if the planning commission could open the public hearing or the comprehensive plan that Oh, sorry. Okay. And call for a motion to open the public hearing.

So moved. Second. All in favor? I I I thank you. Okay. Thanks, Andette. Thank you. Okay, great. Thanks. Um, are you seeing my cover slide here? Yes.

Yes. Okay, great. Um, thank you all so much for having us. This is a really exciting time for the town. Um, we've been working towards this for almost two years now. Uh, we're we're really proud of the work that's been done and so much community engagement that's gone into this um this this draft plan. Um, but we are we're really open to discussion tonight. So, um hoping to really just present a high level of uh the work that's been done and then um open things up for you all. So, we'll talk about the purpose um the the community engagement that's been done um the values that we landed on from that engagement. uh talk about the plan, organization and elements and then um talk about how the the town has chosen to approach implementation future land use and then and then we'll have a larger discussion. So really the purpose of of this plan is it's a long range policy guide for managing growth development and um public investment. It builds on prior planning efforts um but it also responds to changing conditions and priorities um and then looks at new opportunities and challenges that have arisen since the last update. And then really it's it's supposed to inform um your decision making and and those um decisions of of the board of trustees and then um various boards and commission staff and then uh community partners and then developers who are also interested in investing in the community. So we have some um kind of the the trajectory of of the comprehensive plan. Really the the inputs that go into it

are we did an existing conditions analysis back in um 20 2023 24 talking about demographics, existing land use, population um projections for population growth and then an economic um market study. We looked at best practices and um looked at your existing plans and studies and then obviously community input is a is a huge part of of the plan process. So we did surveys, open houses, popups. I'll talk a little bit more in detail about that in a minute. And then really what that informed was the plan guidance. So we're talking about the visions, the goals, and and the strategies within each chapter. And then we're we're hoping to provide you as a town with some implementation tools. So we have the future land use plan which is the the land use map, the categories and the the downtown vision. Um the implementation matrix which includes all of those actions which are ideally kind of a road map for for how to implement the plan. And then those will um hopefully um identify some regulatory updates that can that can happen in the future. So the outreach process um we we kicked things off back in May of of 2024. We launched the website and we did a community survey which we um advertised at the picnic in the park in August. And then um we've done various updates to the board and and you all throughout the the process. Um we did some stakeholder interviews and focus group meetings in October and November of 2024. And then again we came back to to you

all the downtown development authority board and and the board in um 2025 in early 2025. And then we had our first open house in March of 2025 um and then updated you all um on in um April of of that year after that to provide the input that we heard at that event. again spoke with um the board and the the DDA board and then um Garrett was able to communicate some ideas to the board retreat uh last summer and then again we talked to the DDA board and then we had our next um openhouse event. So a lot of those board updates were about um we we were really drafting the the meat and potatoes of the comprehensive plan. So that was um a time of checking checking our work and making sure that that we were on the right track um with with your guidance and guidance of of other electeds. Um, and then we our open house in uh last summer in July was really about confirming that we were going in the right direction with the community and and getting feedback on um a lot of the elements that that you see in the draft right now. And we and we held an an online openhouse event so that folks that couldn't attend in person could provide feedback on draft plan elements. And then um we're in our final phase now. Um and we're this is our kind of ratification hearing and then um adoption looking at February of of 2026 by the board.

These community values uh were basically what was mentioned most often when we when we talked to the community, when we talked to stakeholders. Um, these were the things that rose to the top throughout the entire process. So, affordable and diverse housing options, economic resiliency and workforce development, Frasier's unique spirit and character, safe roads and access for all, public services and community resources, and then natural spaces and and wild places. And those are kind of the cornerstones throughout the plan that that you'll see um highlighted in the the goals. So um we organized the plan by the four seasons to really reflect um the identity of Frraasier as a as a year-round community that's that is shaped by seasonal change. And so um each season kind of represents a different rhythm of life and spring um it brings new beginnings and opportunities. Um summer drives energy. Fall gathers harvest and and reflects and then winter um really strengthens foundations and and prepares for for the year ahead. So the plan elements are are broken down um by by these different levels of the the vision is is a really prophetic statement um that talks about the future and and maybe when uh most or or all goals have been achieved by the town and then goals are some broad statements that that push forward the vision and really encapsulate the values.

strategies are derived by the goals but um they represent kind of a set of guidelines uh that that you all and staff can use for decision making and then actions are really that road map. They are the the steps that departments or partner organizations can um can take to implement the goals and the um strategies. So, I'll start with our downtown vision. Um, the vision here is of vi to create a vibrant and inviting downtown that embodies the individ individuality of Frraasier through thriving businesses, lively community spaces, walkable destinations, and local character. And then the topics that are addressed within this chapter are um comfortable environment for walking, biking, and rolling, lively and sustainable business environment, um the Frasier River and the trail being the heart of the town and shaping part of its identity, and then uh just being a go-to destination where there's always something fun for everyone. Another piece of of this um project and the and the scope that that we were really excited to be a part of was the was this downtown vision plan. So, we looked at uh Clayton Court and and Highway 40 and and what we could um envision for its future and we looked at the existing framework, proposed FAR framework. And then there's a lot of um other fun and and helpful diagrams in in the draft plan that that really help tell the story of of how this could um how this could be a reality. And so, um, we also looked at the recommendations that that

we put together in the downtown vision plan and and directly tied them to to the goals, um, within kind of the more text heavy part of the document. And so that's um it's a it's a really exciting part of Frraasier's potential future is is looking at um really creating something out of a lot of momentum that that's already happening in town. For housing, the vision is to encourage the building and maintenance of great places to call home um whether that be year round or seasonally. And the topics we address here are um promoting a variety of housing options both um rental and for sale, encouraging mixeduse housing for walkable neighborhoods, building and strengthening partnerships to increase um affordable housing, and then balancing housing options for yearround residents, seasonal workforce, and then um non-resident owners and visitors. One second. Sorry, I'm coming off of a cold. Um, for excuse me, economic vitality. The vision here is um a vibrant mountain town filled with shopping, dining, and entertainment options fueled by both happy u visitors and residents. Topics we address here are a thriving memorable mountain downtown, bolstering some more counter seasonal business to help balance with workforce needs, encouraging growth in small businesses,

uh making Frier a place where people can both live and work affordably, and then encouraging um collaboration among businesses in emerging shopping areas. for our community chapter. Um, the vision here is a funky and authentic town that celebrates its local history, outdoor recreation, uh, being a welcoming community, and having that mountain town character. So topics we address for the goals in this chapter are preserving the charm and sense of community of Frraasier, ensuring development enhances the visual character, um kind of blending that modern design with with the natural beauty, and then celebrating arts and culture um to create spaces that that inspire people to connect and be creative. for parks, recreation, open space, and trails. The vision is that um this this system enriches the community by providing fun places to explore, stay active, and enjoy uh a healthy environment. goals we address are protecting and enhancing open spaces, maintaining and enhancing the network, um providing more opportunities for indoor recreation, and then promoting inclusive and accessible um public spaces for all land use. The vision here is um that Frasier grows thoughtfully and uh sustainably ensuring a vibrant community that meets the needs of both current and future residents while preserving Frasier's really unique um and wonderful character. The goals that we address are promoting

a balanced mix of land uses that supports the town's ability to provide services and and also protecting those um such valued natural resources. Um plan development where infrastructure and services already exist and then ensuring new development is beneficial to the bottom line and fiscal sustainability of the town. and then aligning the the um zoning code with the vision and the goals of of the comprehensive plan. Sustainability natural resources. We talk about the vision as um Frasier treasures its natural resources and is dedicated to preserving and improving them, making sure they're accessible for for future generations to to enjoy. Goal topics are um to support initiatives that preserve the natural beauty, embracing sustainable development practices, um promoting efforts to improve air quality and inspiring healthy and and sustainable lifestyles, town services and infrastructure. Um they ideally will provide residents with safe, reliable and effective amenities. Topics in this chapter are to um provide essential services to all ages and abilities, expand health services, and then um enhance the physical infrastructure to to support projected growth. When we talk about transportation and mobility, the vision is a joyful and connected mountain town where walking, biking, and transit make it easy to get around and explore. Our goals addressed um building safe walking and biking connections for year round route year

round use. Um plan for uh transit experiences that includes micro transit and um an enhanced rail station area. supporting a well-connected um road network that really uh looks at efficient movement and then um providing easy to find parking um and and hopefully concentrating parking. looking at um working with our regional partners. The vision is uh that Frasier communicates and coordinates with other other jurisdictions, agencies, and nonprofits to collaboratively address regional planning issues. Topics here are to develop a framework for ongoing regional collaboration, encourage coordination around land use, uh coordinate regional trans transit projects, uh create forwardinking regional housing plans, uh work with the county and uh Winter Park to plan for infrastructure improvements and services, coordinate parks and recreation, and then um protect uh residents and and visitors from potential um human or man-made disasters. So there is an an implementation um portion of of the plan called Frasier and action and each action step is assigned a priority level. So we have kind of critical, vital and desirable and it's also assigned a time frame. So ongoing which is really as needed. We don't envision this being completed um short-term which is maybe um 0 to five 0 to 3 years medium-term being 3 to five and then long-term being over five

years. And then we have potential partners identified um because you can't rely on your limited and wonderful town staff to to do everything for you. And so um and and you know the the best uh created products are are done as a team and so we're we've identified various partners to to help in implementing the plan and they are um identified in in the implementation chapter. Um Garrett, do you want me to pause here or do you want me to just keep going? No, maybe not quite in so much detail. Yeah. Are you

Yeah. Have we all read it? Yeah. And move move a little bit towards what how things have changed since we last considered this. So, Sure. Yeah. I think Nora, if you want to just move like right along and then Okay. Um Yeah.

Okay. Um briefly what what what we do with uh future land use mapping and future land use planning. um what it is, it's a tool to to illustrate the vision for growth. It's guidance for decision makingaking. It is informed by the public history and and land owners. Um and it is amendable in in the comprehensive plan. What it's not is regulatory. Um it is just a guiding document. It's not zoning, but it can help inform zoning updates. Um it's not a plan for development, and it and it's also not new. the 2010 uh comprehensive plan has a a future land use map. So, I'll only highlight really what's changed from um the last time you all saw the future land use map, which is that we added this plan development overlay. And that's really just to communicate um that the what's shown on the map right now is what has been approved and um what the what the town has envisioned moving forward. Um but it's not as set in stone necessarily as zoning. So um that has been applied to the Grand Park area. Um and then a couple of uh areas within rendevous. Another change that's been added to the draft is some annexation guidance. So um these are broken out into what the community really needs and then some more of desirable um items. So the needs are conveyance of water rights um and then dedication of land for a future um 6th through 12th uh public school wa the expansion of the wastewater treatment plant a post office whether that be an expansion of the existing building or

relocation and then a public works satellite facility inclusion of of affordable housing in a potential development and then extension of the Frasier River Trail um or permanent uh preservation of open space. Some more of those um interests or desires is dedication of land for a a post secondary education facility. Um additional recreation facilities and then um any kind of future public purpose that that the town determines. Um, also the inclusion of light industrial or manufacturing uses for some more local employment opportunities and then the the creation of a GMO geothermal um utility district. That's the end. Um, next steps, we're we're going to the board on the on the 4th for a workshop and then um we're looking at potential dates for for the board to adopt the plan. Um, e whether that be the 4th or the 18th. I don't know Garrett if you want to expand on that. Um yeah, just briefly I think currently the plan is to do the workshop presentation with the board on the 4th and if there's any you know significant feedback certainly we can um hold off on the adoption action until the 18th or even the first meeting in March if absolutely necessary but the idea would be to to have it adopted uh by the board in February again if if the planning commission chooses to advance it to that stage uh tonight. So, that's kind of the timeline. So, any questions on that? Um, next I was just going to pull up some of the specific places of the plan uh that changed since November. Norah highlighted a few of them. I just wanted

to talk through a couple additional ones, but we could yeah dive in there. Maybe look at that mapping, the addition of the mapping a little more closely, too. So, Sure. And some public comment, of course. So,

yeah. So, I'll just go in chronological order. Um the first significant addition to the plan is this letter from the mayor. Um some of the feedback we received in November uh was you know a sense that the plan didn't really highlight and tout some of the strengths that Frraasier already has and some of the achievements um that have been made in in recent history as well as speaking to the aspirial aspirational and future looking nature of this plan. So, that's what this letter intends to do. Um, you know, it talks about um growth and development in uh our downtown areas and our annexed PD districts. Um, it touts, you know, accolades that Frasier Valley Elementary School have received and the library district and our local civic and volunteer organizations. Um, and and speaks to, you know, the work that the town is doing with St. Louis. So, um, kind of just serves as an overall sales pitch and introduction to the document.

A good addition. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, next we couple minor things. We added some additional labeling to figure one as well as figure two just to help provide more regional context to these uh, you know, countywide maps. Um, we tweaked some of the existing land use designations just slightly. Um, a couple undeveloped properties and rendevous were actually shown as open space. Um, as well as, um, in the St. Louis landing development, there were some old Bride ofway road lines shown that were from the previous Victoria Village uh, subdivision that are no longer applicable. So, we removed those. Um, we had comments about this figure here that related to housing affordability and the percentage of units in Frraasier that are occupied year round. We cleaned up these figures and used different data sources admittedly that come from the denial census from 2020 and 2020 just because that data is one a bit more accurate and consistent and two better helps tell the story than the other data that we were pulling from. Um so speaks to how housing units have grown over time in Frraasier but the percent that are occupied year round has actually decreased. Um, moving on, we added uh this additional figure 7 graph here under the uh uh I think this is the local economy section kind of to compare monthly visits to Winter Park Resort just to show how that compares to Safeway. um on our downtown vision plan.

Uh these kind of focus area maps were cleaned up. Some additional um labeling and legends added to them on the vision plan itself. We added a bit more labeling around the rail station and identified uh the town's acquisition of 360 railroad which is envisioned as the future uh Frasier mobility hub. So identifying that somewhat recent change. Um there were some some minor changes to the various uh strategies and actions. I won't dive into them. I'll just first jump ahead to um the implementation matrix itself and note that uh we filled in this other applicable policy column. The intention is to help make this matrix a bit more usable. Um so that when you know staff or the planning commission or our board identifies you know we need to improve signage and wayfinding for easier navigation in our downtown. We could look at the action items down here. But we can also look to you know downtown vision 2.2 um which relates to increasing foot traffic and visitation and looking at some of the action items there to see if there are any interrelated actions and and synergistic opportunities for um town staff uh to pursue. Um, in the future land use map section, we added we added a paragraph uh about our planned development zoned areas in Frraasier kind of speaking to um a little bit about just you know general policy statements recognizing that this comprehensive plan document itself

doesn't do anything to modify those existing an annexation agreements and plan development district plans that are guided um that guide development in those areas and um that really the future land use map is um moreformational in nature and certainly not regulatory. Um, we also added some language around potential annexation policy as well as various community needs and community interests that could be achieved through a potential future annexation as Norah mentioned. And then lastly on the future land use map itself, we did add the land development overlay, this uh diagonal hatch to basically any area within rendevous or grand park that um hasn't developed or hasn't had a approved recorded final plan development plan or FPDP. So that includes all of West Mountain um as well as some parcels in rendevous and a couple smaller uh parcels in in Grand Park that haven't received a you know a final development plan at this time. And then uh last but not least, we did add some more um survey responses and feedback and engagement that we received from our open houses and and other surveys uh into the appendix. So, not just the initial community survey that was done uh back in the summer of 2024, but documenting the other engagement that we've received as well. So, that kind of summarizes the the big picture changes since November. Again, not much in terms of uh substantive, you know, substantive policy changes. Uh more just, you know, arriving to a final document for you all. So,

okay. Then uh just real quick on point of order tonight with the few members that we have present on quorum and that votes needed to pass this. So before we take public comment of course yes I can speak to that uh briefly here. So um there are some you know state statutes that speak to uh adoption of comprehensive plans. Um and uh one of them just notes that um requires a twothirds vote of the members of the commission. Um just as an update for everyone on the commission and the audience, uh Commissioner Joy McCoy has resigned um from her seat on the planning commission. So we are currently down a member to six. So with six seated members, a twothirds vote simply requires four, which is in attendance this evening.

All of us would need to vote uh tonight to pass this. So correct. Yes. So it does. Yeah. Do we want to board comments at all before we go to public comments or Okay, the public comments on this.

Good evening everyone. Clark Lipkcom for the record. Um, this has been going for two years, I think, and and there's been a lot of comments and I'm concerned the comments aren't getting fully addressed and incorporated. Um, so I think this needs to be sent back and address all the comments that were received. So, a few thoughts. Uh, the plan doesn't address Frasier's competitive position with the regional market. We compete with Winter Park and Grahamby whether you like it or not. We compete for investment. We compete for sales tax dollars, lodging dollars, etc. There's no defined competitive identity in this plan. Uh, this plan just assumes growth is going to occur. doesn't explain, you know, why investment should choose Frasier over Winter Park or why should investment choose Frasier over Graanby, for instance. Why should, you know, a business not locate in Graanby versus Frasier? Those things are just completely left out. Um, housing is discussed. I I think it's conceptual. Maybe that's fine, but you know, all I've heard for the last five years is we have a housing crisis. We have a housing crisis, we have a housing crisis. And I mean certainly there's a lot being built right now to address it. Maybe we overbuild it. Maybe that's great for all the tenants and good for the businesses and we get lower rents. I don't know. We'll see. But I don't think there's an implementation framework uh in this plan that's really really aspirational or actionable. I just don't I mean I think it it's kind of lackluster. uh education, education, Gary, you'll remember the last meeting that I was at regarding this particular topic and uh I spoke to education and how many uh people we lose, the lack of retention of families, young families in particular after they get out of fifth grade unressed. All this speaks to is we're going to seek some land to be dedicated if we annex land for a 6 through 12. Um I I think that's not addressing the comments that were heard not just from me but from many

other people. So guys, as Fraser grows, the absence of planning for 6 through 12 school, it's going to drive families out of town. It already has. Um, it's going to reduce our year- round population. That's partly why you see the declining population and the increase of homes grow that have been built and it weakens our local workforce. It really does in in the business space. It's a huge issue and it just getting ignored by this town staff and this consultant. Um, I just don't think that's a good growth plan. a growth plan that ignores secondary education is not complete and and I think that's a a sore it's a sore subject with me because it was brought up time and time and time again. Um the vacant and underutilized commercial spaces not addressed. I mean you guys just tried to pass a a moratorum to stop housing developments on Bzone land. Uh yet there's all of this empty commercial space. There's really nothing in here to explain how existing commercial areas succeed and and and how do you credibly plan for new ones if you got all these old ones, right? I mean, I I've got space. I'm going to have a lot of space available, guys. Attracting investment here. This does not support this is a as I will say it again, Garrett, this is a marketing tool for the town of Frraasier. It is a marketing tool and you've got to look at it that way. Um, your plan, this plan does not address the sales tax concentration risk that Frasier has. And I'm speaking specifically, and Andy knows exactly what I'm talking about, to the disproportionate amount of sales tax derived from one business, Safeway, and how we broaden our tax base and and get less dependent on just one entity. Something happens to that store, man. Everybody in here doesn't have a job, right? We're all having budget issues. I'll get to that in a minute. Health

care. Health care is not addressed. You now have a hospital in town. Okay? Took a big effort to get this hospital built. Not really addressed. H hospitals, health care, access to health care, not addressed. Healthcare capacity not addressed. Coordination of healthcare, housing, and transit not addressed. I mean, these are things that are essential to any kind of growth infrastructure. Having quality healthcare. If you go check the boxes of core basic public services that people expect and want in any community, and I will remind you, Peggy Smith, if she were sitting here, the last time we discussed this, she called Frasier a third world country. I remember it like it was yesterday. Okay? And what she was citing was the fact that these core basic public services that towns that we compete with have, we don't have. She wants more restaurants. She just got healthcare, so that's good. But we're really not speaking to that. Transportation planning, transportation planning is in this. It's not financially credible. First of all, your plan promotes transportation expansion. Yet, Frasier just recently reduced a major route due to budget constraints, right? I mean, Katie, you were involved in that discussion, right? Lots of people came out. So, so how are you going to expand this transportation? You got Grand Park going up the West Mountain, right? You got rendevous and winter park doing stuff and all the transportation funders are out of money. Not addressed. Not addressed. Great to have aspirations, but there's no functional implementation as to how you get there and what are the ultimate goals. So you got growth dependent transportation without a funding plan. That is not planning. The plan contains a serious factual error and I have asked and asked and asked page 167 168 has the Grand Park

PDDD plan and it's got a chart to the side calling it as open space. That is a misrepresentation of the community to show that plan all of the prior comprehensive plans. The last one that was adopted was a readoption of the prior one because the mayor rightfully chose to save the money uh rather than spend all this time. But the bottom line, guys, unless that map's changed, this is going to be seriously challenged and you've been told to change it and it got changed in one spot and then you left it in two others. So that's not acceptable. So Clark, we're on a a threeminut rule here. You've gone far beyond. And just in general what your comments in general. So let let me let me let me let me just react a little bit Clark.

In general this is and you you know as well as I that this an aspirational document and this is just the the fair relatively easy first step towards trying to make this happen and all your comments are really towards and really good comments towards how do we make this happen? How do we make schools happen? How do we keep a transportation system viable? How do we go to the ski area for funds? you know, all the all the nuts and bolts and the actual mechanic work here is not in this document. It's not designed to be in this document. This document is designed to give us guidance to get those going. This is this is the first step to a hell of a lot of work that that you'll be intimately involved with, I'm sure. So, um I I agree with your comments, but I I think that um and some of these these uh these editing things that you've you've commented on bring to staff and let's let's clean up the map a little bit, but the the general tone is that you're right, we've got to find ways to implement this master plan. So, really appreciate your comments.

Well, thank you. Two years, hundreds of thousands of dollars of tax money and nothing prior comprehensive plans. Not great guys. Hey, thanks Clark. What was the overall cost of the that we put into this? Yeah, this this plan was budgeted for um initial contract was 20 $25,000. We had to approve a uh contract amendment that I believe put the final number at 240. Okay. Um if I could maybe speak to some of the things. Um and I'll share my screen. about that map 167 168.

Yeah, let's I'd like to understand what that comment's about. So, what we are depicting here in especially the West Mountain area of Grand Park is the 2005 Grand Park PDE. What's shown here, these um colored bubbles, the roadways in white, the um open space golf course areas in green. These reflect that the approved recorded 2005 Grand Park PDD exactly. Now, will it be Go ahead. Does it refer to that on this map?

On this map, no. Maybe that is what needs to be. We're going to keep those colors, then we should probably have that in there as an explanation or leave the colors. you're thinking.

Yeah, I so I I have pulled up on the screen the language that was added to the future land use section of the plan. Um, I think in focusing on the last two sentences in the paragraph here, which I'll zoom in on, um, the future land use map reflects the latest approvals and entitlements for the Grand Park and rendevous plan developments. Any future amendments to these areas are subject to review and approval by the town in conjunction with the plan development amendment procedures and their respective annexation agreements. Um, I'm certainly open to language that makes it more explicit that this plan in no way regulates the plan development zoned areas. I think the nature of a comprehensive plan is that it is not a regulatory document

and those state that statement is made elsewhere in this. Yes. Unless explicitly adopted as a regulatory document which is not in any way proposed by town staff or our consulting. This is a guiding document. Yeah. That's that's really playing throughout the document. Yes. So, uh let me just Sure. Why why did we even have it like that? I mean, why do you have it from 2005? Because that's when those areas were lined out was in that. But hasn't it changed since then? Has it not changed?

Let me just go back to the map. So, in the case of West Mountain Filing One, which we just looked at, yes, certainly it has changed. That document um hasn't been recorded yet. And also, you know, when we started this comprehensive planning process approximately 18 months ago, um that was in an earlier stage. It hadn't gone through, you know, the planning commission and board approval process when this map was initially put together and staff just didn't feel like it was appropriate for it to necessarily reflect it here,

per se. Um the rest of West Mountain, we have applications under review, but certainly none of those outside of West Mountain filing one have advanced through the public hearing um and board approval stage. So that is why it's depicted in this way. We just leave the colors out. Would that work for you, Mr. Lipscom, if we just left the colors out of it and put the the lines? Yeah, it's a Okay. Yeah, because I think that that'd be appropriate. You're right. It is. It's a little bit deceiving if somebody is looking at this as a sales. I

I think it could be used as a marketing tool, but that's not necessarily the intention behind it all. But, um, I think that you could do it by just keeping the lines and reference the PD, just a a color that we don't have on that chart. Okay. in reference to BDD. Okay, that works. Yes, good. Well, that's pretty easy because it is confusing. I mean, how do you explain? So, well, this was from the 2005ation agreement, but some things have changed and other things haven't. And this over here has changed because it has been approved, but but it's anyway, but not quite. So, let's continue with public comment. Good. Yes. Sorry.

Yeah. Lisa Steckler, for the record, just to reiterate because of why we want this of the zoning of the map to be just as you're saying without the colors and understanding that you put in that for annexation agreements. I'll refer back to our annexation agreement, section 4.2, it is anticipated and proposed that land uses and densities within each planning area will change over the projected time frame of the project. and section 4.3 the 2003 PDD has not been configured based upon surveyed acreages for the various planning areas. So given all the things that were changing in the event the boundaries of the planning area adjusted at the time of subdivision and FPVP then the approved member of residential units for the approved commercial square frontage provided for in the 2003 PDDD shall be the controlling factor and the designated acreage and density will be adjusted from that constraint. So on that map it's very deceiving given the one that we just saw earlier tonight. You can see that's not even underlay. That's on that map.

Thank you. Thank you.

If I could maybe speak before the next public comment, town staff in no way has the intention to be deceiving with the future land use map. town staff felt it was more informative to depict the 2005 PDD in West Mountain and um show the existing um framework and planning document for Grand Park in the future land use map so that the public was more knowledgeable and aware of that framework. Um because in staff's opinion, not showing that framework creates more ambiguity uh and does not communicate the overall vision for the project um which was to the detriment of the 2010 comprehensive plan in the opinion of staff, but staff will make that change as directed by the planning commission.

Thank you. Sorry. Okay. So, if you give your name and where and where you live, please.

Yes. Um, Annne Hager, I live in Grand Lake. Um, and I I actually read the plan, the whole thing, and I was really struck by a couple of things. First of all, there's a lot of wonderful ideas in there. And I was thinking, this could be a fabulous transformation this and turn Frasier into a worldclass resort. But I did see that there's so many dependencies in there on government agencies. I I saw Dola over and over and over again. And there was an article that came out recently in the Colorado Sun that talks about the $850 million deficit with the state budget right now. So what we've been able to see over the last years in terms of lots of grants available, the town of Frraasier getting a lot of grants for St. Louis landing, those days are over. It's going to be really, really challenging to reach out to these government partners and be able to get the kind of support that this plan is really based on to be successful. I also am concerned that there's not enough staff to do this. You know, getting, you know, even when you have partners, you need staff to work with the partners. So, really, the bottom line is lots of great ideas, but I don't think it's going to be executable. I don't think it's realistic, unfortunately.

Don't don't underestimate the energy of our volunteers, too. So, That's true. Thank you though very much for those comments. It is a challenge. Uh Brandon Jung for the record. Um just wanted to point out if we could pull up on the screen uh page 167 to that map that we're referencing here sort of piggybacking Garrett's comments. Um why wouldn't we show the Elk Creek conservation easement that we recorded in 2021 2022? Ah, that's still Got it. Got it. Okay, that was my only comment. I just wanted to call that out and and now that I understand, I see why it's not there. Thanks.

Thank you, sir. Thank you. Hi, Quinn Frasier. Um, the reason the map's important, and I know you guys think that map's in existence, but it's not. That map is an illusion of what may or may not come to be in the future. Until the density is settled in all of the building bubbles, there is no open space. There is no extra area. So to show that map is deceiving the public, it's not helping the public. Okay. Thank you. Thank Thank you for

I think we covered the audience and we have nobody online. So, any more discussion with the with the board here? Commission,

I'll just make a statement that um while I think Clark raised a number of good points, um yeah, this document is going to be aspirational to an extent and we want it to be. We want people to notice us. We want people to come here. Um, but we don't want to make it seem that everything's going to happen that we say in our aspirations when there are so many constraints as state budgets. I mean, we have transportation problems. Part of our transportation problem is that we don't control the budget for Highway 40, US 40. We're at the mercy of C DOT to do anything. Even the Grand Park uh bypass that we've talked about for years, that's what five, six years or more off based on current budgets. So, it's one thing to present a beautiful rosy picture. It's another thing to be able to back it up with an actionable plan. And I think part of Clark's statements were u the implementation plan is easy. is the hard part. The aspirational part, you know, the, you know, master plan, that's the whipped cream. But whether it all comes to happen or not is the that's the down in the nitty-gritty, you know, the bug dust. It's the action plan. Um, I'd like to go over the action plan a little bit more in light of what we've heard. And you know, I spent a most of my career I was in the corporate world and I've been involved in a lot of visioning statements, a lot of master planning and

we've used a lot of consultants over the years to do these things. And the thing that I'll tell you from my experience is the most beautiful documents that were produced by these consultants simply and they're volumes. They're they're this thick and 197 slides. It kind of made me think about the volumes of master plans that you know and growth plans that my companies have been involved with in the past and how the majority of them wound up on a shelf taking up space and never got done because we didn't have the resources or we hadn't crafted the execution plan. We spent more time on the visionary stuff and the aspirational stuff and the feel-good stuff than we spent on the actual implementation and action plans. So, I guess what I'm saying is I we can take an action on this tonight if we so desire. Um, in light of what I've heard, you know, I'd like to go back over and take a look at the action plan part of

So, when you say action plan, are you referring to the matrix? Yeah. Yeah. That talks about Yeah. I mean, it gives everything a number and what the priorities are. I know that schools were a one. Yeah. Well, looking at the school, Eric did a good job of trying to get my measles chart put in there. I noticed that you had that little column over there where you referenced all the different parts that that cooperated with each other throughout the plan and I like that. But I don't know. I I I I probably didn't spend as much time on that as I should have. Okay. Yeah.

So there's there's a reason that dreaming happens at night and we work during the day. Well, that that's the spirit of this, you know, and and it's kind of it is kind of tough to think we spent nearly quarter of a million dollars on a on a plan that could end up on the shelf. And you listed all the plans in the past and you missed the Fraser Valley Master Plan, right, that we did. Well, but there was no matrix. I know that was a big lovely book. Like a goal for a work plan. Yeah. you know, how staff should focus their energy, which I think is really can be really useful. Yeah.

To make those things stand out. It's like, no, this is where we want to focus on here right off the bat. And and then in the near future, I think is this is I mean, this is a really difficult document to come up with obviously because it has to satisfy all the laundry list of everything we've talked about tonight to at least address it. But it really isn't designed to say how we get there. You know, it's where we need to get, but how we get there is the hard part of the work. So, yeah. So, the comprehensive plan is not designed for an like an imple. It's just a kind of a pie in the sky is really what we're saying. Is that what it was supposed to be or

that's the nature of the beast, I believe. Yes. So if I could answer that question by looking at some examples from our implementation matrix. Um schools were brought up in the public comment period.

So this is town services and infrastructure one strategy 1.2 expand educational and community services. One of the action items underneath that support the formation of a 6th through 12th grade uh school facility in Frraasier. Priority level one. It's a long-term action item. the most expensive, you know, type of action and um partner is East Grant School District. So, so obviously what does that mean? What how how can the town support the formation of a 6th through 12th grade school facility? Yes, that's fairly vague and it's to be determined, but it has been identified as one of the higher priorities for staff to formulate um a way to achieve that in conjunction with our board. I I would argue that's the the purpose and how this matrix should be used by looking at what the are the highest priority items as identified this in this plan, you know, as part of um annual or even quarterly staff planning efforts, things like our annual board retreat and identifying board priorities, picking what the highest of the high priority items are and really diving in and focusing on those as part of staff's work plan. But obviously the critical part of that is the column that says East Grand School District because we have right

just our own representative on the on the board and I was around when the Grand Lake Elementary School was built. I was a journalist at that time and wrote editorials about it that said we didn't think that the uh the school could be we the district could afford that school and it was built and used for a few years but now it's a community center. So, so these are really tough community decisions as to when we build new schools. They have to serve the whole district. They specifically are for the students in that area, but the we have a school district. We don't have a a a special school district for this this this uh valley. So, it's tough question.

Yeah. One other item I'd bring up again because it was a point in public comment. Intergovern intergovernmental coordination 3.2 to work with Winter Park, Winter Park Resort, Grandby, and Grand County to support operation and expansion of the lift service. Action items are secure additional sustainable funding for transit infrastructure and operations and explore the formation of a regional transportation authority. Granted, these are uh you know, priority two and three. It could be argued that maybe these should be higher given the recent conversations that have had been had around, you know, our 1% sales tax revenue not keeping up with the increases and the cost to operate the lift. But again, it's it's not meant to identify what that solution is. Just say this is a an issue and it's a priority to address and what partners do we need to work with to do that?

Yeah. Yeah, I think they you did a beautiful job with it. I think it turned out well. Thank you. And it is just a guiding document. Yeah, it is.

You know, and there was a good feedback from the community and um and citizens about where their concerns are. You could say no no no answers, but where the town should what the town should prioritize in the future. So staff and boards in the future can take a look at that and see well hey this maybe some of it will validate decisions later for um open space and trails. one the priority list as Garrett said has just likely changed because we lost a a good part of service out in Grand Park. So how do how do we it went from half hour to hour long

times between buses out there the tough decision you guys made as a board. So yeah the west side of Frasier. Yeah. Yeah. So, but I, you know, to get specific and it won't make me any friends up at the ski area, but Breenidge gets a lot of their funding from a seat tax on the on lift tickets at Breen Ridge from Veil Associates. Yeah. And that was not an easy conversation with Veil Associates, but in the end, that's where they get a lot of their transportation funds from. And those with historical knowledge here know that our rudimentary transportation system we had in the past was pretty much funded by the ski area. Mhm. And now they fund the the buses to the outline loss and provide other support as well. But

but they need to be a a partner in this I believe. So but that's those are tough questions that the board needs to listed on that the Winter Park Resort is listed as one of the Yeah. Yeah. entities to be working towards. Good.

Any other comments from the board? Well, I I guess I would I'm going to go back and relook at this document in light of the meeting tonight because one of the things that I would like to going through it, I've been through it a couple of times when we did the first round of the draft that came out in the fall. But I guess one of the points Clark made was we're in competition with all these other cities in Grand County even, not to mention other areas, the ski areas that we compete with. Um, what makes us unique? What is the sailing point for people to come here to Frasier instead of Grand Lake, Steamboat, whatever? I guess thinking about it, I'm not sure that came through strongly to me at the end of the day is what are what are what are uh areas that we compete in better than others? Well, but but Bob, I think that um you know, the priorities, the work list that we have here is how we we build a community that does compete,

right? And um I'm not sure you know that we did add the mayor's message in there to to give this the sales pitch. Yeah. Which is important, but we can't sell a car that isn't that doesn't work. That Ford didn't sell the very well at all. It met all met all the their expectations of what the market wanted, but it certainly didn't sell. So, but that's that's the goal of of our work here and the work of the trustees is to is to build a community that that people want to live in and people want to bring businesses to. So, I'm not sure you can add to a document to help with that. So, I think some of the photos in the document speak to why we're special. I like the photos. you know, view of buyers,

a good a good selection and a view of buyers and the Continental Divide and um and those uh do we have what was in the summer one? Is there a a fun biking photo or trail hiking photo or something like that terms of a No, we got a new bike park. Yeah, that's special. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. But it hasn't been open enough to get good photos, but it's a working document. Those can be added later. Yes. Right. Yes. So, we can because I think in terms of marketing, most people want to see nice photos. You know, a lot of people don't necessarily want a lot of the people that are coming here coming here to do activities,

right? They want to mountain bike. They want to hike. They want to ski. Yeah. But as Clark pointed out, the what we're trying to attract are businesses. people want to make an investment in the community. So, we when we have to have the visitors to do that, but but uh at the heart of this, that's that's the heavy lift. You know, the figures in there, how we're losing children is was um was was a tough one. Um Yeah. It's just because it's so expensive to live here and people can't afford to buy homes anymore. Yeah. But that's beyond our control. Well, not really. I mean, that's that's why we're building this project, right? I know. I know. But a lot of it 2020 and that dump in property values by 40%. Yeah. Nobody saw it coming. Yeah.

So I think one other thing I would add to Bob's point about um what what's the differentiator for Frasier um and also um in light of the you know4 million dollar budget for this project. I would argue that this downtown vision plan um is really something that's above and beyond the typical scope of a scope of work for a municipal comprehensive plan. Really what we got with this um planning effort was a you know a sub area downtown plan in conjunction with our comprehensive plan update.

Right. Um, I think you know staff and and you all and the board is have been looking at this vision plan again for over a year now. It may be hard to remember a time where this didn't exist. And um, we were talking about changes to our zoning regulations in the Riverwalk zone district in a more abstract way. And now we're at the point where we have this vision plan. The town is moving forward with the Clayton Court streetscape construction this summer and mountain passenger rail is starting up in November. And I think the combination of those things helps make our shared vision for Clayton Court and downtown Frasier and activating the Frasier River really come to life through this plant.

But did that really stand out to you when you read this? I think that's a great What you just said? Yes. is what I agree 100%. That's selling the vision of come here, invest in our community, open a restaurant, have a business, you know, do things like that that builds the base of population that supports all the other stuff. Sure.

But I, you know, I guess I'm wondering now, is there a way that that could be highlighted better in the plan? I would say this comprehensive plan is nearly 200 pages long and this plan document by itself likely will not achieve that condensed message that I just communicated. But now with this plan, town staff and our excellent marketing and communications director can take these materials and create brochures or two-pagers or social media posts or or what have you to help sell and share that vision. So I I don't I think there are aspects aspects of that plan or of that vision in this plan that speak to it, but I I do agree that just the sheer size of it and because it is achieving multiple things through this document um I don't I don't think it could do that by itself and I think it would be a very light lift for town staff to take this plan and distill those types of things from it. If if that makes sense. I I

No, I just I think you know we're we're trying to capture a moment in time with the planning document. Yeah. And every every moment that goes by, we find something we want to add into it. Yes. But if we got to get it working sometime, and the only way to get it working is to approve it. I agree. That's seven. Well, I'm sorry if you I can I can attest to the amount of staff time from myself and Allan that has been taken up um over the past 18 months. Certainly, our consultant partners have led the way in this process. But when we reach let's get the staff working. Indeed, once we reach the finish line on this implementing,

I feel like there will be a lot more time from staff to work on this implementation. I agree. I call for a motion and and maybe before you call that motion, Handy, I did modify the resolution to add this highlighted language here and I just want to confirm um that this is appropriate for um the planning commission to act on. Okay. Recommends that the future land use map. It's a removal. Oh, wait. It's not correct. It says spelling type of there. Recommend that the future land use map to remove.

Thank you. To remove. Yeah. Okay. That the future land use map remove the land designations in West Mountain area of Grand Park. I reference since 2005 part time. Yeah. Okay. Think that works? Yes. Before you do make a motion, you do need to close the public hearing. Yeah. Okay. I have a motion to close the public hearing, please. So moved. We could do one more. All right. That's what we're doing.

And your name again, please. Lisa Stler for the record.

Um, so I mean like why accuracy matters in these comprehensive plans is like because again we'll reate the zoning changes that we could have there is development approvals. There's infra infrastructure stuff that happens. There's incorrect maps. um they should not be adopted with incorrect maps, known factual errors in the report. Um they're missing infrastructure planning. They're um um in Colorado, a comprehensive plan, a comprehensive plan is supposed to be the town's coordinated policy blueprint for growth, infrastructure, services, and finances. It's what future zoning, development approvals, and capital spending rely on. it doesn't plan for if it doesn't plan for schools, transportation funding, healthcare access, economic competition, and fiscal sustainability or if it contains known errors, then it is not ready to be adopted. It doesn't have any of this in there. This ties directly to Colorado case law language and what a comprehensive P plan is supposed to have in it. So, I would say do not approve this plan as it is today. Thank you.

So, we um we could add a condition to have this review by by the town attorney. Certainly. Okay. Let's see if there's anything else that we need to follow statute statutory requirements for town master plan. So, right. I I believe it does, but I'm not the town attorney. We have one. Yeah. Okay. So, we u let's re let's go ahead and restate that motion, please. Okay. Well, we have to close the public comment. Oh, I'm sorry. I have motion to close the public hearing, please. So, move. Second. All in favor?

I I thank you. Okay. Now, we're ready for a motion if this to be offered. Okay. I'll make a motion to approve resolution 2026102 approving and certifying the Frasier Ford comprehensive plan with the addition of

this was the first um addition please. Oh. Um, this is, uh, standard language that the town staff copied over from the resolution that the planning commission passed in 2010 for that comprehensive plan. Just referencing um, applicable state statutes regarding the authority of the town to implement and adopt this plan. That helps helps give the town attorney guidance. So, yeah. Okay. All right. So, as well as these two conditions here that have been added. Yes. That we just reviewed. Okay. So, the motion with three with three conditions.

Three conditions. Okay. We have a second or second. You okay, Bob? So, well, just a question. What happens if What happens if we approve this and the town attorney comes back and says, "Oh, you know, we're missing this, we're missing that. What happens next?" Then I don't think there's a recommendation to the board. Okay. Doesn't really have any force and effect other than a recommendation to the board of trustees. So, yeah. Okay. All right. So if the attorney finds some big problems with it,

then basically it gets to the board of trustees and that's that gets pointed out to them. Yes. Okay. I can live with that. That that's likely and I would say worst case scenario it comes back here for an additional public hearing. But yeah, I think that's unlikely. Yeah. But is there to cover that? If we absolutely need to do that, we can do that. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Motion's on the floor. Call for a vote. Should we go individually? Margaret I Katie. Yeah. I I I thank you. Okay. We can move ahead. Yeah. Great. Thank you so much, Nora. Thank you, Nora.

And thank you all. Thank you. Thank you so much. And your town staff is amazing. Awesome. I agree. Okay. Any other business? Have a good night. I mean the the businesses that you know hopefully this gives us a lot of a lot of work in the future. Oh yeah. Yeah. Um and again I guess we're on other business. Yes.

Um so just again for for the commission and the public uh uh Joy McCoy resigned uh as of a couple weeks ago. Uh I just wanted to I know she's not here or online but thank her for her service. I believe she was originally appointed uh to fill uh a a vacant seat and she filled out that term and was reappointed by um Mayor Cir Vinnick um uh in 2024 and um she really served admirably on this commission and always had a great perspective and unique insight especially with regards to accessibility issues and ensuring that our um new development in Frraasier uh thinks through accessibility compliance in those challenges. So, she will be missed on this commission and uh staff certainly looks forward to uh having that vacancy uh filled by the mayor soon.

Okay. Yes. Thank you recognizing Joy. She did a good job for us. I sure want to echo those comments. She was a very valuable board member. Yeah, she was fun to work with. Yeah. Um I guess I have something I'd like to say for the record. Sure. Uh, I recently sold my house here, but turned around and downsized and bought a smaller property. So, I used to live in Grand Park on Meadow Trail. I now still live in the Grand Park community. Uh, but I'm in a condo in Elk Creek. Okay. So, still in the town limits.

I'm still in the town limits. Just wanted to go on the record as saying, you know, because I I think Peggy saw me going into the title company on the day we closed on our house uh on Metat Trail. And so the next day, I got a call from Garrett wanting to know if I was still in the town limits. Good.

Yeah. On a on a on a on a sim on a similar on a similar note, um I want to report for the record that my house has gone past the remediation and demolition stage. We have rough and electrical past and we're rebuilding that house from the studs out and we found two 1918 newspapers in the attic. Wow. It was it was the Fraser Valley's original ranger station, forest service district ranger station. So, uh, we're paying homage to its structure, but we're trying to prop it up in several places that it needs propped up. So, anyway, I'm working as diligently as I can because if I don't work diligently, the insurance company will make me start paying rent out there in Insrook and I really don't want to. So, I'll move back as quickly as I can.

Yeah. Great. Thank you. I have one other thing. So, I was driving down 40 the other day and I noticed some kids had scraped off and turned one of the ponds into a ice hockey rink. What would it take to turn the one of the ponds into a skating rink that would draw people from Winter Park and everywhere? Like a a nighttime skating rink out in the open. I mean, they've already done it on one pond up there just by scraping it. What if you made it like another amenity like the bike park, right? Except it's a big skating rink out there. I like that. Wouldn't it be great? And you could put food trucks out there.

And not only that, but if you think about it, you know, they they play ice hockey down at the recck fields, you know, every so often, you know, at one of the I forget who does it. Is that Pittsburgh or somebody? They they freeze over the field. They flood the field. freeze over and they bring everybody into the stadium for the Canadians in the US to play hockey at the football field. But what if you had some hockey games come play in the open air? Yeah. I guess I was thinking of it, well, we've spent a bunch of money on the bike park, right? And it's open during the summer, but you've got a pond out there that's frozen all winter long, right?

And it's just not really being used. And you could scrape it off and you could really turn it into a draw. Yeah. To bring people from Winter Park and all over now that we've got restroom facilities there. That pond or Winter Park West or Yes. Which one of the water districts owns it? Warner Park um water district number two does own the two bigger ponds. Town of Frasier does own the two smaller ponds closer to Safeway. what we call the line closest one to Safeway and then you have there you can go get your kids all SC they do fishing tournaments on those lines

summertime they have fishing and they yeah they yeah I think that's a great idea well let's let's bounce this off bounce this just received a special event permit request application to do that exact thing so we will be coming before the staff for a conversation very soon. Yeah. And then maybe the staff could test safety too and and post this when it's not safe anymore. So to keep not very deep but deep enough. Just seems like what a great amenity gathering. We did the fire and ice there. Yeah. In the winter and that's always a pretty good draw. Yeah. Okay. Great ideas. Just thought I'd bring it up cuz any other business or future agenda items?

Nope. Next meeting is 25th. Yes, February 25th. And I won't be here, Bob, if you could. Okay. Okay. I'll be glad to. Thanks for letting me know. I got to go help the the author of Doc Susie celebrate her 90th birthday in really. Virginia Cornell. Yeah. My aunt. Oh, I would also like to say that I've recent rec recently read an article in uh the Skyhigh News and I had no idea that Katie souls and Ingred u Charleston are that old were the local heroes of Mary Jane way back when. Yeah, but it's not the Mary Jane mountain. Where did that ever come from? Right.

It's just the Mary. It's just the Jane. Anyway, and thanks everybody. Call for adjournment. Some move. Second. All in favor? I thanks everybody. Thanks. Thanks for all your comments tonight.