Downtown Development Authority Board - Regular Meeting

Steve Fitzgerald, Katie Souls, Sparks Thompson, Tiffany Gatesman, Bill Palmer, Greg Beckler. Who do we got online? Just Sarah. Nobody else is online. Aby's in the woods. Oh, that's right. Nobody else online. Nobody else is online. Okay. Um, can we get a motion to approve the agenda? So, move. Second.

All in favor? I. Are there any additions to our agenda today? Anybody want to make a change? No. Okay. I think we can get right into the consent or do we need to make the motion for the consent? Make a motion for the consent. Anybody? Oh, and we second. All in favor? I I All right. So, we have the minutes. That was a that was just then and then we have open forum. Anybody have anything to talk about today?

No, we can move on to discussion and possible action wayfinding design presentation chamber of commerce with Katherine Ross.

Um I before we throw the presentation up there, I just want to review again what this is about. So, um, a couple years ago when we wrote this, the community sustainability plan, one of the main tactics in it and one of the important areas of focus was to increase um, infrastructure both in the whole valley in the communities and a piece of that infrastructure improvement is to look at wayfinding. So, wayfinding is more than just signs. It's, you know, how do we how do people get around How do they know where shops are? How do they know when they're closed? How do they know where we are? How do we find their way around? So, this presentation has a lot to do with um we've spent a lot of time with a consultant time and money with a the high level consulting firm that has studied our valley from the top of her house to the ed to the sports complex. So, they that's how far we went. Um it's a general big picture master plan study. So do you think that we got into all the trails and said this is the trails plan? That is not what this is. This is really big picture study. How and identifying what they saw and what they feel are the most are are different projects. So they have not prioritized them. They've simply looked at projects and said these would be projects when it comes to wayfinding that could some of them could be done jointly as a community. Some because there are definitely economies of scale to work together on on signage or on a website or on an app or some of them are broken out that each community would like kind of prioritize what they got. The one trail that was very important that was identified by all the people on the sustainability governance group was

a Frasier River trail because we all really depend on it. We all feel like it's very important but again it's the big picture of the Frasier River Trail like so you have to drive around one day and pretend that you were never here before and see if you can find the Fraser River.

Yeah, it's tough. you'll find it. And so these are the issues we're trying to see if you can find where you do turn into go and park at Winter Park Resort. So Winter Park Resort has kind of their own bucket in this in this plan because there were just things that I never noticed until I drove around specifically looking for can I find that thing. So the only sign at the main entrance and I'm allowed to say the sky. The only sign, the only sign at that main entrance says bus parking. So there is no sign that says you all can park there. There's no sign that says parking garage this way or you know car. It just says and it's a little black. It's a white sign with black letters with a bus and it says bus and it's the only sign that that lets you. So if you don't live here, you don't there are two sea lots. So sea lot at the Jane that is not it junction.

Yeah. But so if you tell somebody meet me at sea lot and they look it up on Google maps they end up at one park. So those are the thing really big picture things we're looking at. When you get to the top of Bertha Pass there should be signage that tells you that it's not very far to get to leave second creek off. Would you? No. You want to leave it off then you can't complain when broom doesn't do well. That's okay. Okay. There's so many people people there are people that or there are people who are trying to find it and lost. It's not

they talk about it in in things and tell people about it and then and it is on their forest. I hate to tell you it's not everybody's far and they try to find it and then they're lost and that's not a good exper that's not for a new resident that's not a good experience for somebody who moves here full-time. It's just you know me telling them go past the big rock and look for a fox or

so um so that's what this is about. So, I'm going to show you the full presentation and I think the most important thing to say to all of you is that any kind of actions that you want to take on this um I would assume you know this a good time for everybody to look at it that the staff the town staffs Winter Park and Frasier and probably somebody from the county will be meeting to talk about budget and what they think are priorities. So, I'm sure they'll want your input on what you think are priorities, priority projects in this grouping. Or you might say, "We don't like any of this." And you need to go tell them that.

Okay? So, this is your chance to look at all the design and everything. You can go tell them you don't like it. I will tell you that they work from us on this, but they they still respect your opinions. So, that's why we're here today. And I promise to answer as many questions as I can when I'm done. But um I'm double booked and all my fellow many of my fellow ch uh grant foundation board members jump dropped off today and they don't have so I have big parties meetings I can vote on. So so with that we'll start the presentation. Thank you Catherine. Yes. Um, so the name of the company is

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Can you read that? Okay. Totally. I don't know why it's so um comes up. All right. penetration from my There it goes. Look at that.

Are we good? Oh,

I think we're I think we're all right. Okay. So, so Merge um consulting did this work. They have done big projects. I think I reviewed that with you earlier some point. So, um I'm going to show you the whole So, um we'll start off so that you can see this summary in the design. So, we looked at this is just quick shots of what they looked at while they were here um when they were here and did their field study. Um we definitely you know they looked at good, bad and different. Just wanted to show that there are lots of different signs. And again the other idea here is to build continuity between the communities so that when residents and guests come they feel it helps build sense of community.

Am I doing it? Yeah, I think I think you can. Okay. Um definitely look at mapping. One of the projects that you'll see at the end is that we are looking at an app and a community map that would that they would design. It won't have anything on it except things that we all decide we want on the map that can get changed. What does this one say? Connect gateways.

Yeah. Oh, so this this marks the different places. This is the first one is gateways and I should have looked on but I will try my best. Um, so again we they identified gateways where gateway signage would be which is what like you've been talking about what entrance entrance signage. So top of pass um they did identify some places that are um that identify to people what they lost. And so some of those ideas that you see the one with the car, they were looking at some designs for gateways that would be shared. And that's kind of the side of the gateway sign. Try to turn the lights on. Um, so they identified them all. We don't need to read them all, but you'll get this pres Sarah has this presentation, so you'll get the whole presentation. What's important for you to know is that this has the the the plan is pretty specific. Has lots of the information that you want to have. So those are the gateway signs.

Katherine, the number one gateway. Where is that? I can't read it. That's the top of Rick P. Says downtown Frraasier. Oh, downtown Frasier. Downtown War Park. It is a north south. It is an appropriate map. North is on the top. I I understand that. I mean, is it at the boundary of the town? Is it it's it's identified in general at that again this none of this is not it's all big picture. Got it. So you have a sign there now. So they identified that where signage would be exactly where you would put it as a community would be up to you. Okay. They aren't we aren't to that level of detail.

So somewhere before you come into Frasier from direction. Cool. And uh the one on the south side obviously again it's going to be what the group determines is appropriate. Not whoever's building this line. These guys are not dictating anything because they're just here to give us a general master plan. Is it should it? Is it not? It's okay for you. Okay. What's this? Frasier River Trail. Yes.

So, they did identify Frasier River Trail and for this project um that one of their recommendations is to do a pilot program on Frasier River Trail, which would be um main signage. And this is kind of where they identify trail head signage and more directional signage to show people where the trail is and how to get kind of want to get into the parking.

Oh, the parking. So, we would want to identify parking consistently so that no matter where you are, there's signups that um that tells you that there's parking there. And there's a whole separate parking plan for interpretive. So they're um suggesting this look for interpretive signage on the Frasier River Trail that we want to replace. Um this just kind of this is just a basic design if they wanted to show us of things that we could change on that those inter signs that everybody wants to make better. I saw some cool ones where you you um use an app. So, and you it's a self interpret as you go along the trail. So, instead of just in just investing with what we have, can we think bigger than that? Also helps for people with sight difficulties. It's it's a make it a little bit more interesting. You can put what you want. You can play a game on it. You can have it be kids interact with the with the trail and the environment. There's lots of opportunities. So now um we started to look at actual designing designing of you know what what should be included in when we're thinking about signage. So these are some of the basic designs. Um mostly what you're looking at here is that things have to be a certain height. They have to be they really do have to be um a seed dot approved like according to the regulations and also take into

account of where we live that when you build the sign it might look really high up in the summer and then in the winter it looks oh my I can barely see that. So, um, this is just their study at heights and and when you can read it, how big it needs to be. Might as well.

Again, just looking at different heights of science and what they should look at. Again, all of this, you're going to get this. So, when you want to look at detail, you'll just know that they actually did do a study So now at Winter Park Resort, um they looked at all the pieces at Winter Park Resort and have lots and lots of uh suggestions. So right now at the resort, they just added signs on whenever they needed to and the logos aren't the same, the materials aren't the same. When you come into the different portals that have been developed, there isn't the right information. Um, so they're they've made a lot of recommendations to the resort, things they can do up there and the resort is that they are working with this. So they'll be working as a community that things will work the same up there as well as obviously there's going to have to be new signage when we build all that stuff.

Parking and college portals.

Oh, and this is right. They identified the portals at the resort. So they looked at some of the signage and again this is just the sizes for the resort what it would look like what it should be. Um so now let's look at the designs. So we worked this is what we worked on the most. So, we looked at we looked at the three logos that are involved in this project and we wanted to be able to have consistency but still maintain identity. And now we don't have that mural anymore. But whoever is it anyone new slide?

Oh no, the the mural loose is gone. There's the smiley face. New mural coming soon right now. That was a nice Yeah. fall apart. Was it falling apart? So, here's the design after much many gorounds.

This is a design that was agreed upon by the group that worked on this on the sustainability governance group, which you have your mayor and your town manager and then Sarah's on infrastructure. We're all part of this. Um, so as you can see, after many different choices, this is the design that was um, agreed upon. So don't read those signs like, "Oh my god, we're not putting Adventure Park on there." Okay? This is just examples of what the signage would look like. So, we tried to use um to make it look like our community, not like Bale or Aspen or any of those places, and kind of use some um some materials that kind of look a little red. Tell you the truth, everybody like that that that it kind of gave a tip of the hat to the train. Um everybody's logo would be when you're in their town, the logo's up there. All of these signs would be built. What their recommendation is when you manufacture these um that all those pieces come off. So when you have when you want to change something, if you change your logo that comes off, you can put a new logo in there. So um they're very sturdy. If it's go to the back,

somebody crashes into it. It's easy to replace part.

They're all built. So, just so you know, they're not they they have to be placed where um maybe if you crash, you're not always going to crash into a sun. Um and so you can see the the backside of them. Um again, using the the logo would be on the back. You have some um some of that like at the bottom you have ones that they're suggesting to use for the Frasier River Trail. So that it then that one's going to look different. It's going to look like it's a trail amazingly green. That'd be funny. Um and so this is the basic design of what we would be putting places. And again, they all can always get changed as things change. Again, they're just showing kind where things go close up kind of the the way the way it looks in proportion. You know, what's important, what's and then what's more identifying. Um, this what they're throwing out there for parking. Again, not our decision to make this. So, here's some photo drop in. This is what it would look like if you were doing them on the highway. Gary Frasier and every uh I think there's general agreement that on these signs if we can make we have reminders to people how far away it is, right? So if you're at the top birthday pass it tells you so people know it's more of that reference for people. Here's some more what they would look like. There's your river trail signs

and then prospective projects. Uh the shared projects would be so when we talk about route 40 uh anchor sequence that's what's on the highway how we get top of birth to down and major signage on boarding that gets people around. Then um your river trail the orientation map um we will be the chamber will be asking for dollars for that this year in budget see if you get it or not and that comes with an online not just paper um community sign standards. So writing a plan like spending money on writing the sign standards plan. So then you have we pay them to do that and then whenever you build a sign whenever any community builds a sign they have the sign standards everybody builds the state. So getting that done and then parking um and looking at the digital piece. There's just some talk about up at the resort digital signs that say Mary Jane's gold and also digital signs as you're leaving that says like downtown Frasier with a sign that actually points them to turn left instead of right as they leave their ski day.

Ju just an FYI, we're also we've also been having some communic discussions here about a shared sign between the town and Fraser Valley Arts to promote events. Yes. So there there would be another interested party. Okay. This is again this is your master plan. If I know I'm just letting you know, Catherine, that there's other interest in an electronic sign. Yes. So what I would say to you about that is when you do this, if you wait until the sign standards plan is written, then when you do your digital sign, you would build it to look like that. Yep. So, and then it's up to your community because other communities are looking at how much how many digital signs do you have? Yep.

So, good luck on doing I love my digitals.

Um well, because they're so expensive. So, by the time you build the base, then you go to put the screen in the screen's as much as the base. Yeah. So um and then they broke out winter park projects, they broke out Frasier projects and these are all things that came up all along from the group. Um when you see kiosk, no one is recommending that we tear down any of the kiosks that we have right now. It's just are there are there places that there should be a a trail head or a kiosk? Design it according to these new design standards and if the other ones ever need to be replaced, you have a plan in place to do that. No one's saying, "Oh my gosh, you just spent money on the PS, you should take that." That's not what we're supposed to do.

Katherine is addressing all of my concerns throughout this last meeting about this in your name. I'm trying to I am seeing and then the resort projects. So, um this is the big piece where that the um the town staffs are going to work together and I'm sure your Frasier town staff is looking for your input on what you what projects do you think should be the priority on its list and so gateway you know is it's in there's gateways in both towns. So is that if you feel like your gateway sign is really important and it's not in the shared projects, you just need to voice you what you think your priorities should. Is it okay that I'm empowering this group?

Okay. So that would be I think what this group should be talking to your town board about is we think these three things are the most important for our downtown. And what we should be I don't know if you help fund it. I'm not sure. how that works. But um but that that they're on here. So um I think that you giving taking some more time with this presentation and being able to look at the map and being able to say we think XYZ should be the priorities for our down that that will enhance our downtown and in and help our downtown businesses

to be successful. So um so when you look at this list you know there might be some and then there might be some discussion that people don't think don't agree with you on your however your budgeting works I really I'm not aware of but I'm just that's really why we came today why I came today is to show you what the design looks like that was agreed upon and also the list of projects and then I think we have the budget page

the fun page Um so again, you know, budget considerations. I I I think um that merge does think it's important that we look at doing the plan and the standards. Um and then when we look at the budgets, it's they're going to um give a range of costs because these guys do do this with their life. So they have a good idea how much materials cost. So when you see um amounts up here, it's not fake. And this is all pre- tariff, which I guess right now we're back in pre-tariff or not. Depends what country you're talking to.

And the day and the hour. We're buying it from China today. It's pre.

We do have a question from Abby online. I don't know if that matters yet, but we could answer it maybe. Yeah. She asked, "How do you keep the plan cohesive in the years to come? Is it up to the building department to approve the new standards?" So, you do need to get permits to put up most signs. And so, I would think that the building department would be looped in and the code would reflect these new standards. Um, this signage applies, correct me if I'm wrong, Katherine, to signage that would generally be put in by Frasier Winter Park, the resort working with HTA versus like a private business sign. This meant to be your typical, right?

Yeah. But just like you had mentioned with like the Warner Park Resort, right? So, if you have like a a hazardous like ice melt sign that needs to go up and you're in a reactive state and you're just putting up signage as needed, um each town is going to have to follow that protocol so we're not going to end up in the same spot, right? Where you're like, "Oh, we need to redo all this additional signage."

I think that those are very good concerns that would be put into the plan. That's why you come up with standards and plan so that there's for sure in that standards there's going to be well what happens when we have a flood and we need we think there's going to be a flood and we need to put up signage. So I think that that would become that's it's a good it's a good point to raise and I think that that's what um that would be in their plan that there be contingency contingencies. What do we do if we have to do this specific thing? Right. And that's like why all the parking signs are going to be blue. And then that would be under a category for cautionary signage or something. And then you just follow protocol, right?

And how do you keep it alive forever? That's completely up to leadership in your communities. Whether or not it's up to that's that's how you keep it the same is that leadership accepts that there's a plan and there are standards and they don't deviate from. You just have to hold leadership account. Nobody gets fined for being one board to another. What? One board to another, right? Um, who do we have?

Yeah. So, here's some ideas on what the pricing would be. This is to be used for budgeting. So you can see for the share projects um if we look at the anchor projects we're looking at 300 between 250 and $300,000 and just rounding it up like they do when I do budgets. Um they did not go they went conservatively high so that it's realist they did not go like low they didn't load all these and then all of a sudden you go to do it and it's $100,000 more than what you thought it was going to be. These are very realistic numbers. If anything, they went a little bit high. Um, the Frasier River Trail project. So, that would be a a pilot project and I forget something like 25 signs, more than that for the pilot project. It was a lot of signs. Yeah. Um, and so you can see that's between 250 and 300. And then the sign standards would um would be 57 to 67 to have that whole plan and standards written built agreed upon because they don't just go sit down and write it. They're obviously a bunch of leads time.

And are these um prices irrespective of the three entities the the town two towns and the resort are the cost of the project? Yeah. And then So like the community way finding a map was that like if Frerier decided to do that that's 57 to 67. No that that map is to do we are not looking at two t two maps. We're looking at one map from the top of birth pass to to the end of the vouch. So that's all for everybody. Yeah. That's the cheapest three. That's why I'm going to ask money for at least ask.

Um, and we would do that together as a community just because I I'm going to ask two towns to do somebody else oversee it. So, we're willing to take that responsibility. If somebody else wants to do it, I'm happy to hand it off. Anytime I I'll hand any anybody wants to do that in the park, you can have is very funny.

So, you can see all the costs. Yeah, you can go right to fiction. So, here's a a general budget for um what was kind of put in there was uh planning and designing than uh gateway signs. Now, they did not when they priced the gateway sign, it's more of what you saw on there. It's not digital and it's not over the highway and it's not any of those things. So, that's for a larger sign that was in that grouping of signs. Um, does that mean that there's three gateway signs? What does the three mean?

Where we're where the third one, but there's Okay. And then the community way finding would be all the signs in town for parking and uh directional signage and then the trail head identification signs to get people where the kiosk is. Kind of hard to find at the moment. So that's that's it. That's the presentation. That's great. Again, it's exciting. These are generals just the general mastery plan. Um we can

talked about the trails. So, just so you know, there was discussion about, well, what are we doing about those rounded view trails I can't find? And what would they look like? And um should the sign at the bike park match match trestle or should we look at this design? And Ryan seems to think that you should make it be this design. Trestle on the bike park designs. Three times as expensive as a trestle sign, but yeah. So, um so anyway, it's just it's all budget. It all comes as always in any of these projects. It comes down to money and what what you all discuss as what's the most important. Thank you, Katherine.

Like everything about it, honestly. I I think the need is compelling. I think the designs are fine. I thought the thinking was good. So, just general feedback. I think it's pretty great. Is there a standard town budget like yearly or is like all the signage stuff oneoff? So we are kind of going into budget season right now. Um and so larger projects like this are the type of things that we would specifically decide if the board the board decides if they want to prioritize. Mhm.

Um, so I believe this will be presented to the towns of Frraasier and Winter Park um, likely in a joint board meeting kind of the end of September to discuss what they want to prioritize on this um, and then to kind of commit those funds for the next year. And then that same I mean they might kind of sketch out what they want to look at. I just had no reference about what Yeah. What does the town spend on signs a year? Yeah, we don't have a specific signage budget. Um, so this would be considered I mean I don't know if you'd considered a capital improvement, but we would specifically allocate money for this project

and we just don't have a lot of signage in general and I think this is a good opportunity to do that um because it's hard to find things around here if you're visiting. I've noticed a lot of what's the name of the street next to the post office that was closed? I don't remember. Yeah. With that being closed, I can't believe how many people stopped by and were like looking for right how to get to the trail because that's how they always get is cut through there. And I was like, "Oh, wow." And like these are people like, you know, you recognize from around town, you know? They're like, "Oh, what's the fastest way to get around here?" And I'm like, "Well, you can go here or here, right?" And it just meeting people walking down 40 with that road closed.

Yeah. Well, and it's funny how you don't think about certain things. Like I had never thought about the Frasier River Trail. Like I know where it is. I know at this point where you can pop onto it, you know, and my mom was in town or somebody and you're trying to direct them to where to pick up the Frasier River Trail. And she's like, "Well, I'm sure there's signs." And I was like, "Are there?" Yeah. Um, like in my head, it makes sense that you go behind Safeway or you pick it up here. Um, yeah, but there's not great signage to direct people that aren't familiar with it. Yeah. We want people to come to your town and then find everything else, right? So, um, if they can find the trail head, that helps them stop in Fraser. So, I and get out of their cars.

The one thing I would say the slide where it like notated like this is better if done together, but they were all listed separately. It seemed those were in the budget, but that would be my comment is to do those together if they recommended the shared projects. Yeah. And you will have so like the highway 40 if you if the two communities and the county right because they're going we we do make ed commit dollars. So um if you're going you because we're going to go out into uninccorporated Grand County um if if you do that together there's definitely economies of scale to do it together. You know if you're not if if everybody makes signage then you get to build all the materials. you buy all the materials together. Obviously, you're gonna it's you're going to have one design, you're going to have one fabricator, all those things. So, the more I think we can all do together, the the further everybody's dollars will go.

Cool. Great. Right on. Thank you. Well, thank you all. Thanks for looking at it. I can come back with you. I would just say the reason to show you today is so that you can have further discussion on what you want to make as a or not. Yeah. I don't know if you if you send recommendations maybe. Yeah, we do. Yeah. So, that would and it is the right time before their joint meeting. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thanks so much, Catherine. Thanks. Have a good day, everybody. Keep up the good work. Oh, rocking babe that you are. The events are over. Yay. Hallelujah. Good job.

Thanks everybody. Thanks. to circle this back to the conversation about the and I know John keeps telling me not to call it what I'm calling it but then I can never remember what he told me to call it but I'm just going to say the kinetic sculpture by the train station right

um I want to circle back to that and to some stuff that Sarah has been working on by for the train station as well um but to Katherine's point if we want to have a discussion if there's certain things that the DDA feels should be prioritized um over others because I don't imagine that we're necessarily doing all of this in one budget year. Um maybe we will. I don't really know. Um what the the numbers that Katherine had up there are kind of what have been identified by this consulting group as the likely first priorities. And so again, building out um when she did this presentation to the sustainable communities group that's been working on this, I was trying to get clarification about because we just had a lot of things in a holding pattern like the interpretive signage along the Frasier River Trail. Some of it's completely unreadable. The rest of it looks awful, right? Like it's long overdue. Like is that part of this and it's not really. It's kind of seen as a subsequent phase. I know HTA's been trying to put up signage. If any of you utilize the rendevous trails on the Frasier side of things, they've had these nice wooden post up forever, but there's no signage. Like they put up little temporary laminated pieces of paper every year. Um, so trying to just have a better understanding of the overall timeline and process and what is included and what's not included and what we should keep waiting on further direction for or what is just totally out of the scope. so we can go ahead and do what we want, so to speak, with um so that I know has been because this has all been kind of a long time coming. Um when she was talking about the interpreter or the kiosk, I'm like, I thought I was given the go-ahad to use our grant money to install brand new $10,000 kiosk, which we just did. Um so that's why she was emphasizing we get to keep our kiosk.

And where is that? over by um there's one over kind of on the Mountain Man Park side of the Frasier River Trail that Andy Miller's company just put in. Okay. And then there's another new one that's um kind of over by local experience. Okay. And then we have a couple more that'll be going in by the bike park, right? Um and so we are continuing to utilize the kiosk that we have throughout the area um at those trail heads and that is parking over by local experience behind local experience there. That's super hard for people to find. They have no idea that street is there. Yeah. And given that there's a limited amount of kind of that trail head parking, it's it's kind of nice if you know it's there.

It's nice to you know it's there. It's very limited. local experience is pretty territorial over their spaces. Yeah, they are. Their business. They are. Yeah. And the way it works, when I've looked at like the official maps, there's like a row of parking that's closest to the Lion's Ponds that is public parking. Like it's townowned property and then the parking spaces closer to the building back there are actually connected with those businesses.

So, um it is a limited amount of public parking, but So, yeah. So, if there's certain areas that you guys would like me to pass along to our board of trustees or Katie to pass along to the board of trustees when they're having a conversation of what where you think money should be prioritized. Um, and then moving forward as we talk about kind of budget considerations for the DDA for next year. There's a couple possibilities. It could be contributing to things that the town is prioritizing. Um it could be we really think this is important and the town does not is not looking to prioritize it in their budget right now. Maybe this is something that DDA takes on. Um that said they are larger budget numbers and the DDA still has pretty small budget to work with. I definitely feel like the Frasier downtown signs and even the anchor sequencing signs is important. really like how that one uh photo inlay picture with it was close to the lion's ponds where it said Frasier downtown half mile away and then it said like shops and food half mile away.

Um I feel like that is like huge cuz people don't know when Frasier ends. I feel like you drive through and there's like a bunch of buildings and you're kind of waiting for something and then you're in Tabernac like you're in the flats and you're gone. Um, so I feel like I really like that sign and then yeah, just a lot of signs saying that this is the downtown or the downtown is half mile away and that I really like the idea of shops and stuff to to do things and freestanding parking signs, the freestanding PS with an arrow

I think will be important as well gateway. So they they they have that listed first. RT 40 anchor sequence and they have Frasier River Trail orientation map, community sign standards and parking. That's kind of what they have in the shared projects. And in Frraasier they have gateway starred. They have trail heads starred and they have map design starred and parking starred. So

in my mind that thing like that's pretty well marked that those are prioritized. And I will just say that is what this report prioritizes. Um it is what I anticipate the boards um for Frasier and Winter Park and the resort will prioritize. But this has not yet been presented to those boards. So if you agree with that then we can still Yeah.

RT the like anchor sequence sign I think is really important. I think that's like, hey, you're in Frraasier now and it needs to be big and it needs to be, you know, soon. Like that that probably needs to be the first sign, I'd bet just from my point of view. And then I'd say the Frasier River Trail is used a lot. Um I don't know that it's used a lot in the winter. So if it's like this is happening in the springtime, like if there was a date, if there if this was chronological, I'd say then personally that would need to go in pretty quickly. And anything parking needs to go in immediately, too, I'd say.

I mean, they're still looking at further design for these elements. So, I think realistically, and I could be wrong about this, nothing's getting installed before next probably spring or summer. Um, is my understanding.

What everybody's saying, I kind of parked on the scene for a while in particular when the whole convo project goes in. I think it's very clear that the resort the town it's very clear that the resort town of Winter Park want to create an environment where everybody stays there and we've got like a three four year window to counteract this. I think everything the two of you said will be helpful for drawing people to the Murdoch shopping center and then pass safely. I think one huge advantage that we actually have is Aaron's done a really good job working on parking on a lowcost methodology the parking around the uh mural park and by painting all the parking spaces on board has been a huge game changer and I think weird as it sounds parking is going to be huge advantage for us because if they ever rent out that space in their own four years they rent that much space. It's actually I think I've heard it's the pizza first.

No, the the Mexican place the taco place from the tour into the town of Winter Park. But if they ever ran out all that I didn't Thank you, Katie. If they ever ran out all that space, there is nowhere in Winter Park to park. And we and so I agree. We need a sign that says, you know, shopping stores, restaurants, breweries, distilleries, parking, trail, whatever. I mean Mhm. And the good thing is a lot of our shops here and you know restaurants have pretty noticeable signs. So like driving by it's easy to see the distillery. It's easy to see birdie. Yep. It's easy to see any of that. Aby's got her hand up.

Um I had a twofold question without going into the parking parking um like merry ground. um that area that's right next to the tracks which would be um spacing the road across from I guess people park parallel there and sometimes they'll park perpendicular. It's right before you go over the tracks on the left and there's no designated parking. Is it legal to park there or is that considered by the railroad tracks? Yeah.

Yeah. So, um guess this will be officially on record. The town's approach has been that because that is that is owned as I understand it by Union Pacific Railroad. Um right away that so so we have been careful on how much we formalize that parking

um but that people are directed to park there and nobody has ever complained about people parking there. Um there are some designated spots right in front of the like the train station. Um but otherwise I think that's a great use of that space. Nothing else is going in there right next to the railroads. Um so it makes sense for people to park there. A lot of it does end up as kind of snow storage in the winter months but um I think that's a great parking option but we can't um create it for we can't develop it further in other words. Correct. like is more formalized parking. Correct.

There has been trepidation, I guess, in trying to go through a formal process with the railroad company. Um because they might just say, "No, you're and then what do we do?" Whereas right now, nobody's said anything. So whether that trepidation is actually justified and this is the right approach, I've never talked with Union Pacific Railroad. I have no idea. But that's that's been the direction that we've taken.

Okay. And then the other question is what about the wayfinding like as we talk about being a um access to Tavern, access to Graanby like a throughway. Do we have I know this is a bigger picture but do we have the ability to connect this company with Tavern Graanby and so forth to see if that wayfinding can continue to say oh like so much further is Tavern Tavern or um you're leaving Frraasier entering Tavern right so for better or for worse Graanby recently did their own wayfinding

and this was brought up when this was started. Um, and I think Katherine's approach with the chamber was the chamber was kind of helping to spearhead this and their jurisdiction went as far as Frraasier and they just didn't have the capacity, bandwidth, desire to kind of extend past that, but that the way this was being developed, this could easily be adopted by other communities in Grant County if they so chose. So, if Graanby wanted to get on board and do this, it would be very easy to throw up their logo and adapt this to them. Um, I don't know that there have been formal conversations with Graanby about that. Um, and like I said, I know they just did their own wayfinding. Um, I think if nothing else, leaving Frasier, it would be easy enough in my head to take one of these anchoring signs and just let people know Tavern X amount of distance, Graanby X amount of distance. I don't know if you do Grand Lake or Rocky Mountain. Um because again, those are popular places that that people are going.

I think as long as Frasier's Frasier, the resort and town of Winter Park are the gateways. As long as those are on every sign, that's a huge benefit to Frasier. Yeah. Be on every sign where someone's driving 50 miles an hour not knowing where to stop that they know Frasier's two miles, six miles, 10 miles. I think that's priority number one. And something that should be she wasn't getting into detail on who's on what sign, but just making sure all the gateways are on each sign that mentions a gateway. Like there's not a sign or two that's Winter Park, Winter Park Resort, not Frraasier. Like you're still counting to Frraasier. But I think good point. Being on those consistent signs is a great,

you know, way better than doing something unique that's only seen when you're in Frraasier. I think you're like getting eyes, right? driving by to stop, nowhere to park. Great.

One other suggestion. I know we're in the middle of some comprehensive planning going forward for the town. It would seem logical that if uh as part of that planning, we're trying to solve the parking problem notwithstanding all these other issues. Um that there be a hub of some sort where we're directing visitors to park. And it would be logical in my mind that the um signage, the information and so forth emanates from that hub. Um as an illustration, I used to spend a lot of time in H Highleberg in Germany

and they had um they called it the hub um where it was near the train station. and it was near the um uh public routes. And when you would come to that spot in several languages, you could easily then choose a hiking trail, a cycling trail, shops and restaurants, everything from a signage standpoint emanated from there along with some overall maps that you could um take a photo of or or a QR code link to and it really worked well, right? And obviously high visitation of people who are from all over the world. Um, so something to think about. I think that's kind of like Buen a Vista as well. Yeah, Buen a Vista is similar.

Yeah, you're making me think of our little kinetic and you could also I mean I like the symbols and things you could do like you see a lot of places that have like the welcome in all the different languages and Yep. You hop out of your car and you just go or get off the train and you walk up to there and you go, "Oh, okay. I can go there. I can go there. I can go there." And and then the signage takes you from there. Yeah. Um, I did want to show you what Sarah has been working on. And before we look at it, I guess like now that I've listened to Catherine, I don't know whether I would use that explore Frasier or the town branding just so everything's cohesive.

Yeah.

So, think about that when you look at at this Well, and in a similar fashion to the P the approach to the Pacific Railroad, I think there's been a a trepidation about trying to work with Amtrak on things like this um and getting formal approval, but we have been talking to them about they're working on um ADA improvements to the platform there and they're trying to get ADA improvements in the station as well. Um and so we we have formally for the first time asked could we put a sign up on the platform? Um so that is that is part of the discussion but um

do you remember how to make this? I think we should stick with the regular Frasier to be consistent. I do. Yeah, that's kind of what I think too listening to her. Like I think it would confuse have a QR code that they can scan icons for Frasier.

Yeah, I would like again this is like kind of high level. Um I think the the icons are fine. I think they look a little generic to me. I' want them a little bit more customized, but that's just my um so she's got a few versions, but yeah, I think you could mesh this kind of with somewhat at the look of what they're going for. It kind of reminds me of the venture out sign at Winter Park a little bit.

It's like I think it's kind of cool to have explore on there. Um, but I believe the font Yeah, the font could be the logo or something. But then it would be like mixing two different brands. I think you either go with one or the other. Oh, and if we're having the town logo all over the place, all over the town, I think it's better to be consistent. I agree. Um, and then the last one. Oh, this one. That one would look really nice with the town logo. Yeah, compared to the other back with the town logo.

All right. I think Mo is a thing. I think I'll have him go back and like do a different version with our town logo and those brand standards versus the explore Frasier. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. And and I think it works with the signage. Yep. Yeah. The whole fish thing. Do people really fish the Frasier here? A lot of people do. Really? Okay. Yeah. Apparently it's one of the larger activities in the area. Like in town. Yep. Yep. Yes. Oh yeah. And it's good fishing.

From County Road 8 pretty much all the way up to the um containment pond above Winter Park. And I think I would add like something like a paintbrush or something like that for the creative stuff. Yep. Of course. Yeah, that section has a really good reach. Cool. But this like especially if it we used our town brand standards would be something that we could do after we talked to the rail or Amtrak of course that we could do um pretty quickly I think. Yeah. The the other thing about the the fishing much like mountain biking you you may or may not fish in town. You may or may not ride a trail that's in town, but you come to town to do those things. So,

what about um the entrance into the town? So, if this is at the Amtrak, is there going to be something similar for Yeah. So, that that's on the that was on the plan we just looked at. That would be the 40 sign. Okay. Yeah. That would be part of the monument gateway. I think they're calling them gateways in that plan. And I can Katherine was concerned about me sending you the presentation beforehand and it just not making sense or being overwhelming without the explanation, but I am I'm happy to pass it along now. Um, so that you have that for reference. I don't know if I'd do a beer drinking. That's what I was just thinking.

Like I mean I don't know how you feel, but people are going to go to the distillery whether they you know I don't know. I just it seems like to advertise that seems odd. It is the one thing that people actually do in town. Well, totally. But like if you come to town like drink, I'm going to go drink, you know? I'm not Yeah, I don't. I mean, I say stick with the logo and off the bells and whistles there and just have the town of Frraasier kind of announcing it and keeping the um info back down off the highway where people get off once they're off the train, they can look and see.

That's a good point. Do we even need the icons? Maybe it's just Frasier in the middle and then, you know, I like icons though. I feel like people are just not to say that their brain cells are getting smaller, but I don't know. I think it's a good a good reminder. I agree with Abby. And I I know it's common sense that there's going to be bars and stuff, but when you get off the train and you see that cup of beer, you're like, it makes you thirsty. Awesome. Let's go get a beer. Otherwise, like, cool, we're in Frasier. It's true.

What do we do? But it's kind of it's it's a very easy, if you will, wayfinding of being like, "Oh, we can go biking. We can go skiing. There's music. There's beer." But yeah, like, and I really like the I mean, we don't have too much music. I mean, just once a week, but we want to include and increase the music. But I do like the guitar really symbolizing that it's kind of a folky town and then maybe adding another one of a paintbrush or something to in increase that it's an artistic town too. Um, yeah,

it on the train platform too. I think of people who are not stopping in Frraasier but are getting out to stretch their legs in something other than just the name that maybe piques your interest the next time around. You know, maybe you plan a trip back to Frasier or something. Yeah, especially because in the not too distant future, we will have people taking that train to go elsewhere

and so their return trip, their next trip might include us. It's interesting because AIRS had a picture in the plan of development that they had taken of all these people getting off the Amtrak and I'm like we never have that many like where is this picture from? We never had that many people getting off the train in Frraasier but you do they just get right back on the train right like they're stopped for 10 minutes they're stretching their legs they're looking around. So I think it's trying to capitalize on that as much as the people that are like intentionally getting off in Frasier on that journey,

you know, and we might be able to work with one of the businesses across this from the um platform for putting up signage because people get a lot of them just get out and stand there and look around. So food for thought off the platform, private land, and we can make whatever we I mean, the cool thing about that platform is it's up high enough to where you can really see the mountains. So, it might actually be I don't know if we talked about this before, but a selfie stand up there might be good of some sort. Yeah, but it's with working with the railroad.

But if it's on the platform, it would be working with Amtrak, which we'll see what happens with the sign request. I'm more optimistic. Um, at the moment we have a contact they're responsive, so they probably don't want us to completely fill their platform with all our signs and selfie stands, but they if they're open to it, I think that would be a fun place to to put it. Yeah. I mean, it gives their their customers something to do. Yeah. Yep.

It's actually an opportunity for a future mural commission. Um when we when we or they redo the platform, if we can design in a space, we could have as the result the the reward for the mural festival of future date that commission and have a super cool um memorable Instagrammable um mural there for the visitors to see that included Amtrak in. Sure. Maybe pays homage to the history of the railroad, right? So you get off, you Instagram it, and every single day you're getting clicks. Another thought, I keep walking over there and looking at our

the kinetic sculpture and just the just the view from there. Um, you have the backside of buildings and not much land. I mean, it's just not very attractive right now in a few different ways, right? It's the backside of a building. It's not specifically landscaped. We have these beautiful flower pots all over town in the summer, but we don't we've got some right by the train, but across the street. Um, but there's also like the backside of the ACE building, um, I think would be an awesome place to put a mural. Absolutely. That would be viewed from the train. Um, so I think you could do some cool different art stuff back there. Yep. Yep. I would just I agree. I mean, it's probably not going to happen anytime soon, but does Ace own that vacant plot of land between the road and the building? Yes, they do.

They do know. Okay. Cuz I'd just be curious if something would go up there after they did a mural. But that's what I was thinking, a mural there, too, cuz it is kind of ugly. Make beautiful. Well, it's it's metal, so you'd probably want to have something that's painted and mounted. I'd imagine. Maybe not. And then it could be moved if they did an addition if it survived that long in our UV.

Yep. Cool. So, on that note, I wanted to go back to this guy. Um, so I've gotten different direction at different times, but at this point, um, I was kind of checking in with town staff about the feasibility of this and moving forward with this.

Um, and they would like it to go to the board of trustees. And while I was trying to avoid the wayfinding knowing that the wayfinding study was going on, I I do see that there is some overlap here. Um, so I think in terms of taking it to the board of trustees, they need to see that wayfinding piece first and then consider this in conjunction with that. Um, one idea would be to take this as kind of an initial along with those kind of what we're looking at with designs for that signage and kind of have it mesh, which I think this easily could. Me too.

Um, so just wanted to get your thoughts after seeing the wayfinding. Um, one of the things that was brought up was even if this is not meant to be wayfinding, that that spot there could be a good location for formal wayfinding. Um, so just trying to consider this holistically um, with everything else going on

recognizing that there's probably going to be some future development in that area. Um, so just wanted to get your thoughts on this project and this idea in light of what you've just seen with the wayfinding. um if it's something that we want to put a pause on, if we feel good about continuing to move forward, just recognizing that it might take a little bit more time for the board to be presented with the wayfinding and then get put this in front of them for approval. I would think you'd want to pause on it till you know exactly what those gateway signs look like and know what everything looks like from her presentation because that bottom half kind of looks like the gateway sign she showed, right? Is that a way to make it

the same? But then you need to phrase it. I think you'd want to wait till you have that info personal or the freestanding with the logo on the top and then the directional lines. And I think that work well with a fire hydrant because there's so much wayinding around it. Then it can really just classify as art at that point because potentially I could see this going on one side of the street and the official wayfinding on the other side of the street. Yeah.

Right. And this would be designed such that it could be unbolted and moved. But that's not to say that there is not still expense in that installation if it gets moved six months later. Like we would want to avoid that. But if it needs to be moved, you know, a couple years later because of something that we can't necessarily have fully designed at this time, that would be feasible. Yeah. I mean, somewhat piggybacking on um your comments, um you know, perfection can also be the enemy of progress. I agree.

And um I think that it's likely that this wayfinding thing will, you know, proceed down a path over the next year as will this. And I would think if you made an acknowledgement that as that project um runs out, you will do everything about, you know, with this design to accommodate the same brand and you can still have the conversation. You could still get it approved in the budget. you could still have the um wherewithal to act next year when that when it's clarity is achieved. That's what I would do.

And the final design standards, I I don't think we'll get until sometime next year. So, we we could wait for those or I think we have enough with the images and what but I think just in terms of taking it to the board of trustees to approve have them approve the DDA putting this in on their property as a you know a kind of symbol to Frasier, they at least need to see that wayfinding piece first. Um, so there's a question of do we just wait for that to happen and then present it this fall or do we wait until they've finalized all of that probably sometime next year and then bring it back for discussion. So, thinking about your idea of a mural on the um

side of the Ace Hardware that faces the tracks, something like that, or a vertical, what would just off the top of your head, Steve, what would something cost, let's say, a long rectangular mural and that had little blips and 10 to 15,000 bucks for something that long. So maybe that's something simple that we could focus on in the interim. It's art. It's informational. People getting off the train, they always take pictures of the divide. And if we've got something on just below it on the building there, I feel going to get the word out.

I feel that would get the word out better than this cuz this you have to stand next to it. Whereas, I mean, this is a lot easier cuz it's not on private building, but you have to be next to this, so people on the train aren't going to see it, and only people that are going to the vet are going to see it. Um, right now, um, but yeah, see it from the train, but and they're moving up a side the access on the platform down. It's on the north end more between K and J and K which is by that far stairwell. Exactly. And there's a lot of people there.

And yeah, if that that mural did have like the history Doc Suzie talking everything like we're talking about hardware bit more building. Oh, the side of Ace being point of money faces right now. Can you even do that with a franchise? It's privately owned. They're all They're They're privately owned. It's a lot like some hotels. They all carry the Ace brand. Yeah. But they're privately owned. Okay. So, it' be up to them and it's a very communityminded family that Yeah. Yeah. And especially if they didn't have to pay for it. Yeah.

Right. which has been what we've done for all almost all the murals in town that's you know paid for by the town. Yeah. How much is this would this sculpture be? The price as these things tend to do I feel like kind of increased through various conversations. I think we were looking at about 20,000 all in including like the installation the concrete. How high is this? Would this be that would be to be determined. Um, you'd want the base big enough, I think, that the snow piles, if they happen to hit it, didn't take it out. Um, yeah,

one one thought, too, is I mean, I've been thinking a lot just about the the DDA and its role and what's happened throughout the year. Um, art and beautifification are common things that, you know, a DEDA um would do. I also recognize that we have a public arts committee that puts in murals and sculptures and things like that. And I think it's okay if there's some overlap, but just keeping that in mind. Um, and we've talked a lot about a lot of different possible enhancements. Mural park, snow removal. Somebody brought up early on, we never really went down this path, but um, you know, having historical signs and like a little historical tour and maybe QR codes that you could scan. um that it might be worth just having kind of a as we look at next year and finishing out this year, some sort of facilitated discussion where we kind of throw it all up there on the wall and really try to kind of prioritize be that just with the DDA board or bringing in community members, you know, business owners and trying to engage engage folks. Um, one of the things that DCI offers through their membership is you can do this and it's a new tool. So, I'm cautiously optimistic of the value it might bring to Fraser. Um, but they really try to gauge, I think, just your readiness for development and what would make sense and and they as part of our membership will do one kind of facilitated discussion or training. But um that it could be worth just kind of doing taking our work plan, taking our plan of development, all of these different things that we've talked about and having like a facilitated kind of discussion of filling in that work plan with these priorities and some more specific projects because the work plan is pretty general. Um and just trying to plan out, you know, the year versus throughout the year being like, you know, looking at something and then looking at something else. Um, so that's one thought as we're think particularly as we're thinking about the budget for next year, keeping

the budget pretty general, but doing this either in the fall or like January um to kind of move forward with planning moving forward because I think we've talked about a lot of great ideas and some of them work, some of them don't. By the end of this year, we should have more direction with the wayfinding signage piece to some degree. We also should have the comp plan finished up by this fall. Um, so there's been a couple things that have kept us in holding patterns that hopefully we'll have a more complete picture of and can better move forward with projects. I would just add that after seeing this Mr. Mike.

Thank you. I would add that after seeing this very favorable whole way signing project, it makes me think a we should just complete put this on hold because it may not fit in and some of the other wayfinding might be more immediately productive and I I would wait until the board sees the whole wayfinding plan and even rethink is this the right approach and is this the right spot. Yeah, I kind of feel like, you know, especially while we're building any budget, right? Anything that we can do to jump on board with maybe there's, yeah, they have a great plan, signage is good, but man, we'd really like one more here, right? That's when it' be easy to step in um to kind of, you know, jump on board and like, okay, there's yeah, piggyback on something to be like, okay, hey, this is all good, right? I know they have budget for this, this, and this, but we can help fill out this, you know, while we're waiting for some of the bigger bigger things.

Do you guys want me to have an initial conversation with ACE and see if they would be open to something a mural on that building? Personally, yeah. What? I think Sure. I think so. Yeah. I think that's an easy thing. And um the national coverage we could get through photos would be huge. Okay. I mean, that seems like something that no one else is really going to look at. You know, bang for the buck would be pretty big, right? It's just hard. Like I said, I love this idea, right? And want to do more of this, but it'd be interesting to wait just a little bit to see what the prospective talents are. I think you should put this one on hold, but I think we're all itching to get something done, too, to hope.

Yes. 20 to 100 people stepping off that deck a day. Yeah. Yeah. I have one. Do I do love this this space ship? Just kind of chime in on that. I do think I think it sets us apart. Like what I keep hearing talking to the community is can you guys really help the town keep its motto of like keeping Frasier weird or you know that that funky vibe. Um it might be too random, but I just do like the aesthetic regardless of all the budget stuff. Maybe we can throw one into the mural. I

was just gonna gonna ask that. I feel like last year, like the last few years, there was like a lot of spaceship and leaving planet Earth and everything and I feel like I just kind of dropped off. I haven't really seen it too much. Like curious on the history of that. I am just very naive on the foundation and if we're still pushing that way or who Well, I think Katie can give us a little history lesson and then Sarah speak to its future. I can I'll take a a picture of the um program that they had for our last leaving planet Earth party and there's information from the two men that created it. Okay.

And it's really good background, you know, and um yeah, it's just it's it's good background. So that way everybody just has that or I'll bring it by and we can scan it and you can throw it out in a um board packet. And a side note on that maybe like if we do put the sign up say leaving planet earth cuz I'm really confused of why there's a spaceship in Frasier Colorado. Yeah. Well actually probably really great feedback but still confused.

Yeah. So there was a road sign that people threw up overnight. you know, it looked like one of the state road signs and it was going to be something else, but there wasn't space and they put leaving planet Earth and somebody took a photo and it has lived on to and it had to do with the community at that time being smaller and just feeling like it was a whole different world. The Frasier Valley was a different world um than the rest of the world. Yeah.

But we're not so different anymore. Everything's ahead. Like Sarah had said, a lot of people are kind of over it. Well, and and I think Sarah's put a lot of work into this and as you recall, I I I suggested a while ago that you come and present a brand um message that you want to get going forward, but maybe you can comment a little bit about it. I mean, as far as the leaving planet Earth thing goes, like it's still around and I'll use it for some marketing stuff that's fun, but if it's from the town of Frraasier, like the town government entity, I won't use that because it's just not very professional. And again, people are confused with the spaceship and the alien and like Roswell New Mexico does it better than anybody.

Yeah, totally. That's what I was the page on leaving on Explore Frasier that explains what leaving planet Earth is. Um, again, like I will still get the the stickers printed, but I'm not really leaning into it. I keep it around just because the community loves it. Um, but from the town's perspective, I won't use it. Um, yeah. And some of the community loves it. I've always been my ear bent number of every year at Mural Festival about people who think it's tired. Yes. Um so that's okay. Mhm. But there's still they're years since that sign went up.

But again, from my perspective, having that that spaceship on the top of the wayfinding thing is not great. Yeah, that's that was saying because it's confusing. And they're like, "Why do you guys have like some history of like an alien landing here? Oh my gosh, that out for outdoorsy stuff and and that kind of thing." That was kind of like my thoughts after Steve spoke on the wayfinding kinetic sculpture thing. Like the more wayfinding it is, the more I feel we shouldn't do it right now. The more abstract and art it is. Like I think that's fine,

but I do think if ACE is open to a big Frasier mural, downtown Frraasier even or whatever, that's a better opportunity. And I think like from a DDA perspective, we can fund an art piece but not really be controlling how it has to say DDA or Frasier or whatever. Yeah. But if we're funding something that is informative, it should be a little more vanilla and in compliance with whatever else we're doing. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. So, contact Ace. Okay. See what they have to say.

I'll talk to them. If you want to kind of think about ideas for what sort of mural, what it would look like um if we do go that direction, if putting out a call, we can have that discussion at our next meeting in terms of how much guidance we want to give or if we just want to kind of kind of like the signage that we're thinking about on the Amtrak, but something Frasier and then visuals of some the cool stuff that happens around here and it's history, you know, with movies and fish and a cold one Maybe a whatever a big cliff man. No, maybe not.

And Sarah and I, Sarah Wick and I could always um help inform that conversation. But one of the things I'd say to them is what we'll typically do is, you know, we now we have a roster of hundreds of mural artists from the last three or four years. We could put a call out to them with some specifications of the things we're looking for, take their suggestions, and we'd work with the property owner to make sure that whatever goes in there, we have a nice sketch beforehand. It's something that they're comfortable with that also meets the DDA's requirements. You all would be part of that process. Um, and we do it every year for the mural. We're doing it right now for um this year's mural festival winner. So, we can just apply that same pro process.

Okay. Make it 16 ft instead of 8 by 8, you know, 4 by 8. Yep. And two of them. You know, think about all the murals on buildings here. Yeah. Those are all from people who won based on their heat. I know. I love Yeah. Right. But going big, they're used to going big. Yeah. Big horizontal kind of the fell who won this year who's about to do Camber, he's got some that are four stories tall. That's awesome. And which one was that? Uh, it was the um motorcycle biker grandma. Oh, she did win. Good. Jeremy Velasquez from Rifle. Okay, cool. Cool. Cool. That's not the mural he's going to do, but no, that's the one that won.

Yeah. Gives me goosebumps. This is good stuff. All right. So, it sounds like we'll put the sculpture on hold, what, wherever we call it, on hold for now. We can revisit that. Future art and we will look at possibly a mural on Ace. So, I will talk with Ace, see if they're on board, and then if so, we can work on a call. I don't know if realistically we could get a call out and have it done before. No. Yeah. So, we'd probably be looking at you need to be painting, you know, within 60 days from now, if not 45, right? It's like that's like a But first thing in in the late spring, early summer. Sure. Okay. Should we make go through the planning process before that and then plan it and then put on five months?

Yeah. And ideally would would have the the design locked in, you know, by February, March, and then we just wait for the weather to clear. Okay. Enlist Joe's help. Do we need to make a motion to put sculpture on hold and move forward with a mural on ACE? I'll make that motion. Move on for discussion because we still have to get permission from ACE. Yeah, but it's putting it on for discussion. Yeah. Yeah. Like to get permission. Second. All in favor? I I I

Okay. Should we move on to the application info sheet now or do we still want to talk about wayinding?

No, I think we're good. Um, so I sent out an email. Hopefully you all saw it. Um, we do have it open for DDA board member applications. Um, I do apologize. At some point I got in my head that DDA terms were up in October. Um, what what happens in October is we appoint officers. Um, so statute dictates that that happens in odd years in October. So in October we will be appointing officers for the DDA. Um, in the meantime, however, the DDA board terms um because they were staggered starting out, we had two terms that expired after a year, and so those were officially um in June. Um, so Tiffany and Bill were our two board members that were staggered to have their terms end in 2025. So, we went ahead and opened up applications. Um, we had an ad in the sky high last week, last Friday I believe. Um, and then we have the information up on our website. There was an issue with the link which I do believe is fixed. Um, so the ad in the sky has a QR code. It should take you to this page.

Correct. Am I remembering that correctly?

Yeah. Um, and then there's a link at the top that takes you to um, an info sheet just to kind of explain how the DDA board works. Um, and then you can click to the application which is a form center and this would have been what you all filled out last year. Um, so the form's the same. We ask for a resume. We've asked them um, they're due August 25th. um with the idea that that gives me enough time to get them into our board packet to go in front of the board of trustees at their September 3rd meeting. Um as the board of trustees does appoint board members. So I would ask that you help people know particularly if there's somebody that you think would be a good fit or somebody that's expressed interest in the past um that these applications are open. Um Tiffany and Bill are more than welcome. I've spoken with each of them to to put their their hat back in the ring. Um I think you guys have both been great members. So um one question I would ask the DDA board in terms of your recommendation to the board of trustees. We currently we started with 11 members. We're down to nine. Our bylaws allowed a board anywhere between five and 11. I think initially the board of trustees was looking at probably a seven member board, maybe a nine member board, but we got so many applications, we wanted to kind of catch that momentum and engagement. Um, so if the group did want to make a recommendation as to whether we stay at 9 or go back to 11 or we base it on the applications that come in, um, I think any of the above work. Um, but that is something that Brian already asked in terms of what the the board recommended.

I think we've had mostly nine people at our meetings. So, I kind of feel like the 11 is on the pro side nice to have because then nine of us are always here. Um, on the con side, it's hard to deal with 11 people, right, all the time. Someone's always out. So, um I would probably recommend that we go to nine. You're still gonna have people out. You're still gonna have people out, but we'll still have the minimum. The minimum is five, right?

Well, so you we need a board of at least five people. But in terms of having an official meeting and having official votes, you need a quorum. So that would be the majority of whatever number. So like if it's 11, that's six. If you go to 10, it's still six. So, I would recommend 11 versus 10. 11 kind of thing. Um, if you go to nine, then the quorum becomes five. Mhm. And for me, that's that's the main reason why I'd try and I wouldn't change the wind the the you know, the range, but I'd try and keep it around nine because that way with five, we've always got a quorum and we've never struggled to achieve that number. Never.

I will say, yeah, for the most part, this group has had great attendance. Um, I will take this opportunity to remind you if you can't make it to a meeting, please do let us know. Our last board meeting was the first meeting where we had five members. Um, and so as we were waiting for people to come in, it was are we going to have enough? So, it's just helpful to know if you're coming or not. And sometimes we have items on the agenda that are maybe I don't want to say more geared towards a particular board member, but it might be your area expertise. And so, if you're not there, it makes sense to do it at a different meeting kind of thing. But generally this group has yeah we haven't struggled with having a quorum. I also feel that it should be at least nine not seven since

with both of us gone we're dropping down to seven and you already opened up applications. So who am I forgetting about? It doesn't mean you can't be reelected. Does that mean you you guys want to limit it at seven minutes and we already have applications out and then we don't need anyone after but does Katie count? Katie counts. Yeah. Okay. So that's Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was like am I missing someone? Okay. Well, they all they would do is that they would just you you put your hat your name back in the hat and they would say that they would they'd rather have you because of your resume. That's all. or that you've already done an outstanding job. That's you would just get voted back in, right? Yep. That's all it would be. You'd get a point again.

Hey, if there's a better candidate, there's better candidate, right, for any of us. At seven since the applications are

I don't see us going to seven at this point unless somebody felt strongly. I think the question is you do 11 or do you say if we get great applications, we'll go to 11, otherwise we do nine. We do have two seats that will open up next year automatically based on those terms being staggered and then again there could just be that natural attrition of the experience. It's like hey there's a bunch of applications like last time I was like I'm also surprised that a lot of people applied and like were here but then like no one shows up. So I also I was telling Sarah offline and I was like hey if there's a bunch of people that like want to be on the board great like I kind of expected more people Yeah. to come in. Uhhuh. So, are you guys

Does is there anyone here that it tends to not return? No. Would you guys want to return? That's the only thing I told Sarah is like, "Hey, I just kind of felt bad." Like I said, there wasn't more people like So then let's say 11 and then we have two available seats for sure, right? See what comes. So, let's see. Let's stick with 11 for now. And I'd also say that I'd like to see both of you if you want to be on stay on. Yeah. Time to help you have a unique expertise different from everybody else. If you want to do it and a history with us to see both of you stay and if we get a bunch of great candidates, maybe that's what you're saying, then bump it back up to 11.

Yeah, that's the that's that's the other easy. But maybe wait to see what the other applicants are. If there's no one that brings in a unique additional skill maybe and the both of you want to be on then we keep it at nine. So do we need to make that decision prior to or the you don't it's not it's it's up to the board of trustes a recommendation a strong feeling I would pass that along to the board of trustes to not to put you on the spot but do both of you want to continue? Yeah I actually applied already. Great. Yay. You already got an issue. Thank you.

Yeah. No, I would just say to like we should remind people that it's like totally like an easy discussion here. So if we do get a lot of people that come, even if you don't get on the board, like show up to the meetings. It's pretty easy. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And I think that would be something great to look at for next year and just to be discussing this fall is how to best engage the community. Um, right. We did have one person come to our DDA community cleanup and happy hour and that was Andy Miller. Andy Miller. I shouldn't say one. Andy Miller came and my two children came

and we recruited two of their friends that lived off the back alleyway behind Frasier. Oh, so myself and the four children and Andy Miller are saying trash and um but just yeah continuing to figure out what would be beneficial to businesses and residents within the DDA and how best to kind of connect and engage with them to try to get more participation in in meetings and said if there's a better plan and focus for each one, you know, earlier, right, that would be easier to Yeah. get some people to come. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. And next summer maybe we can do an event in the mural park. Something fun.

So my I was talking to my aunt about a board that she's on and she said that they require every board member to post when the meetings are which would help. We I could do it too obviously but on Instagram or Facebook or whatever your socials are if you have them. And then that you're required to be at one event every single year and bring 10 friends. And that is and they grew massive.

They grew massively and they were able to raise way more money that way too because people got way more involved and it only took a few years of that before it was like overwhelming the participation. Yeah. And I think if we try to map that out in advance, things can change, opportunities can pop up. But otherwise, I know for myself, I'm like, "Oh gosh, it's April already and we were supposed to do another coffee hour." So, um, just as much as possible trying to kind of have that vision and just need to execute. Yeah.

And it's not like we can just write these requirements. The bylaws are there, but, you know, we could make a suggestion that, hey, we all attend one community event from the DDA and bring friends. one friend, 10 friends, five friends, who knows? Cool. There could be stuff like that. Good idea. Yeah. And we definitely don't need to do things just for the sake of doing them. So, if we find that the things we're doing aren't really useful to to anyone, we can, you know, we can do something else. So,

right. And I think posting on Facebook's huge. Um, I don't do it enough. I know that about these sort of things. But if there wasn't like if if there was a hey this is an important meeting, you know, three of us posted, that would be the entire community that saw that. I guarantee it. Yeah. Yeah. But we'll do the community cleanup in the spring when Katie can come because she knows how to get people to come to the community cleanups. Well, and just not like the cleanups, but like the the meetings like wayfinding meeting. this might have been a good one to have more people at, you know, cuz God forbid we put up a sign somewhere and the whole town goes nuts over it. You're like, man, you could have been there. Could have been sitting there listening and putting your opinion in.

Yeah. So, which chance with the town? Well, which meeting should we prioritize? Nobody wants to go to a town meeting though. That's the issue. Yeah. They would way rather be here with us wonderful people, right? I know that. Not so intimidating. Yeah. topics do like the most people show up for? Oh, parking. Yeah. Stuff I don't like. Yeah. Hopefully I'm not that's inciting. Once the GDA has the ability to purchase properties and um negotiate deals with developers might have more participation. True.

Now that these type of meetings I would sit in on and be way more entertained than sitting in on a town meeting. I almost am always bored. Well, and one idea too would be to do like a DDA coffee hour or something before, you know, maybe we do it from 8 to 9 before our meeting and a meeting that we think would be of interest to people and, you know, they they don't have to stay, but they can stay or we can kind of integrate that coffee hour with the meeting, you know, particular discussion that would be useful for like Katherine's presentation would have been good for other people to see. For sure. The town hasn't seen it yet. doesn't mean that they can't give. Yeah, we're here to give the opinion to a town. So are other people. That's true.

I would totally want other eyes on that. They're walking around going, "Oh, that would be good if there was a sign there." I mean, it's just like the rest of us. We're technically town people. Yeah. All right. Right. So, in terms of a recommendation to the board, what I heard, correct me if I'm wrong, is after circling around, we came back to nine is a great number, but if we have people that want to continue and we have new blood that seems like they would contribute, then 11 works as well. And there's value in that. Totally. Okay, cool. All right. But yeah, please do help spread. Abby got her hand up. She waved. What's wave? What's blinking up there? That's something else. Okay, good. Uh, hi Abby.

I'm just listening that through. Thanks, guys. I'll post um the the application uh link on my Facebook. Does anybody else want to do that? Yeah, I mean I'll I can share what you're doing or and you know, I sent you guys the ad if you want to use that. It's kind of got a nice graphic. It might be more visually catching. Um, and then that QR code will take them to that application. Did we talk to the people that did not make it or the tie the people that we were tied with or

um I could definitely reach back out to them. I don't think that's a bad idea. Do kind of feel bad if I reach out and then somebody's passed over again. Um, but there's no making sure they are aware because there were a couple people that I that may be interested and I can send it out to all well and we can send it to those people as well. Also, Sarah and I went on the radio and talked about the application process. So, um, that is some more exposure for that. Did you hear back from Ryan about doing a spot? I didn't. I saw him walking the other day. I almost stopped and just jumped in front of him, but Okay. my favorite just reminding him because I mean if you were to do it it would now would be the time to do it.

It would be the time. Yeah. Yeah. Or next week. That said, most people applied last year. I think we maybe had one application before the day of the deadline and they deadline was at noon. So they they literally all came in that morning. Maybe we had a couple before then. But I'll go ahead and call Ryan. Okay, cool. One question. Um, I know the people who bought the bakery at our next project were wanting to come in for a property tax, a proposal for like a property tax rebate similar to economic incentives. An economic incentive that was granted to the hotel. Yep.

And I know we'll do that in the future too for some stuff. Is there a just email you to get on the agenda or what should I direct them? Um, yeah. I would have them reach out to me. We would use that financial investment policy kind of as a guideline as to what we would consider and potentially approve. Um, so let me actually look at that document in terms of I feel like there's some guidance in there on how that should work. But yeah, I would have I would have the merchants contact me. Okay.

Um, and I did talk with Carrie. She was interested and she's interested in being on the board. Um, but it sounds like she won't officially be a property owner yet by the time like so I think she's going to look at it next year the property. Could be. Yeah. And it's dictated by state statute. So it's if it was just a town thing, I think there could potentially be more flexibility there. Be a business license, right? Yeah. But she would have to be like operating the business, I think. I I don't I guess I don't really know it. She sounded okay with waiting till next year. Um I'm

probably would be better if they're asking for a tax break. I don't think someone on our board can do that, can they? For themselves. Sure. They just have to recuse them conversation given how small you know our community is. It's almost for better or for worse that there's a lot of overlap. Right. Well, right. Right. That's just if her business is primarily wholesale, which I've heard that is her focus, there won't be sales tax. Um, I think that is their focus, but it may be shifting, I think, with the Clayton Court improvements to try and that was the initial I think it's definitely fluid right now.

It might get older for her to understand that. Yeah. Well, and I think her as to the we don't control sales tax anyway. That would be through the town. She was asking more for the property tax um rebate through the DDA. Yeah. Increment. Increment. Yeah.

And I will put uh I will try to channel Troy. I feel like the initial thoughts would be what, for lack of better language, can the DDA get out of it for the DDA? Um like are there any improvements in that area or things? Um and I'm thinking about that little piece of property. I don't know what that would look like. Um, exactly. Um, and does she need that money to make her proforma work? Like is there a gap otherwise?

I I think that's what it was originally said, right? Like if you give that tax incentive back, then they need to be making an improvement that we would make. Basically,

that has generally kind of been Troy's approach. Um, yeah, you know, when I was in downtown Gley for the conference, I went on a tour and there's kind of this one set of brothers that have done a ton of development down there along Main Street and there just really hadn't been any new development for a long time and they were getting their tax increment back largely as an incentive to get that development there. So, I think there's a couple different ways to look at it, but generally it is an opportunity to say this is kind of our vision for downtown and to work with developers to have them contribute to that that vision. So, yep. All right. Are we good on that? I think we've largely kind of been discussing the upcoming project planning and 2026 budget. Um, if it works for the board, maybe Parks, you and I, and Nick as the treasurer can sit down and look at the frame of a budget to bring to the September meeting.

Sure. Um, and then if we can agree on that budget at the September meeting, that gives us time to get in front of the board of trustees for approval. Um, the board of trustees overarching kind of town budget is generally approved in like November. Um, but I think ideally we get it in front of them just in case they don't want to approve it. That allows time for it to come back to the DDA to adjust it to then be approved as part of the larger town budget in November. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I'm happy to meet Okay. Uh, you want to do that in the next few weeks or

Yeah, I contacted the assessor um and she is working kind of through that estimate for next year now. Well, hopefully it'll be more accurate estimate this time around. Um, but once we have that, then we can we can look at it. I largely envision something similar to what this past year's budget looked like, that it's still fairly general as we're kind of working through what makes sense for the DDA. Okay. Um, but it'll include some new increment from largely like the town homes and that bakery property. um I think will probably be the biggest differences to the assessment from the previous year.

So we should have a little bit more money hopefully. Um the town did purchase a property within the DDA that will now be exempt from property taxes um as I understand it. So we lose that. But I think we should get more from the town homes and the bakery than what is lost there. and then if there's been any other changes anywhere that the county assessor is picking up on. Um I also looked a bit more into the treasury rate because it seemed higher than what Troy was used to seeing in terms of the amount of money that the treasur is collecting. She's they're collecting 5%. Based on statute, however, we are what's considered a fifth class county which I had never heard of before. the classes relate um strictly to again as I understand it to what they are able to collect in fees for in taxes. Um, and so it seems to be that as a smaller county, I'm guessing the idea is that it is more of a burden on them to do this assessment so they can collect a larger amount of fees. And so the statute dictates that they have the ability, the right to take up to 5%.

Gotcha. Okay. Um, of our DDA assessment. You have it. So all right. All right. We have any other updates or anything? No updates.

I'll just say the bike park is still moving along. Um, and we're still shooting for completion the end of October. Um, we're doing pretty well. I think we're going to be able to build it out, fund it in full. That said, we would still welcome any sponsorship. So, if you know of any businesses or individuals with extra cash that would like to sponsor, feel free to send them our way. send them my way too. Does um someone want to make a motion? I move that we adjourn. Second. All in favor? Thank you very much. Good meeting. A thanks Sarah. Thanks everybody. Thanks Catherine. Thanks Abby.

Bye you guys.