Council - Special Meeting

call to order the Village of Franklin Council special meeting of Tuesday, February 10th, 2026. Uh, let's do the pledge of allegiance. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Uh Evan, roll call, please. Uh, president here. Ferris here. Abigail here.

David here. Jeffrey D here. Nina,

okay. Uh, hopefully those two will be still rolling in. Uh, adoption of our agenda. Pretty straightforward. Anybody have any comments? Get a motion to adopt the agenda, please. Motion to adopt the agenda. Second. Motion by Sally, second by Gates. All in favor say I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. Public comment.

Hello. Thank you for having me. My name is Emily Hutcherson and this is Mabel King. We are residents of 32800 Brandingham in Franklin. And I know today's meeting is all about discussing priorities for the plan for the village. And so I just wanted to speak at the public comment to um give a couple of suggestions and um ask that we back any priorities with things like census data and maybe a survey. I know Birmingham, I think, recently did a survey of their community to see what their community priorities are. Um so I would love to just put a plug in for child-friendly priorities. As you can see, I have two little ones and I know that the city and the village is um be quickly becoming like a a family a a hub for families in the area um as the demographics turn over. So, I would love to have a discussion on things like splash pads, sidewalks, crosswalks, uh and ice rinks, stop signs, um Wi-Fi tables, outdoor dining spaces, public art. I know there's grants available through the DIA for public art. Um, and so many more. I'm happy to join a committee if there's like a family-friendly committee or something like that. Um, so thank you for consideration.

Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. All right. New business. Uh, Rachel, any thoughts on how you want to tackle this? Well, I can explain. You gave us Yeah. If you want to start with the documents you gave us. Exactly.

So, the sheet that is front and back plus one extra page. This is the collection of all of the suggestions that everybody sent to me. So, sorry. Since it's so much, what I thought I'd do is put it into a table and kind of put every all of the ideas in certain buckets where maybe they seem like they could be collected well for you to discuss. Okay, like that. So, my plan was that you would all just maybe start focus on

column from column and maybe strike things that maybe aren't the best choice for us right now financially or we just can't accomplish it for one reason or another. and narrow this list down to a few reasonable goals that we could accomplish in this next upcoming budget year. Um, can we call out the elephant in the room? Yeah, please. Uh, there's the the money issue which like might affect so many of these. So, pretty much everything.

I Yeah. So, I just want to maybe start with what is actually reasonable. Like, we've got our pie in the sky things that we could save for or start allocating funds toward and create a short list, but for the purposes of next financial year, it feels like a stabilization year. Um, so maybe like level setting on near and long-term priorities and making sure that we're being realistic

is where I'd like to see this. There are certain things that we could tackle that are more that don't require a lot of funding. Like one of your ideas was to make sure we put together a great list of policies and procedures and things of that nature. So that's not going to cost us any money. We can do that internally. That's something that we can handle. Um, I would probably have a law firm just take a look at them but not draft them. Um, we can do like internal cleanup things like go through our m municipal code and go ordinance by ordinance and make sure that these things are even still reasonable to require of people or maybe we need to update them, things of that nature. These are all things that we can do internally.

Yeah. Um, they should be done anyway and they don't cost a lot. No. Yeah. I like how you did this. Sorry, Abby. Were you done? Oh, no. Okay. I like how you uh bucketed these because I think if we agree that these five or even we even pick three are priorities then we can make sure that any discussion project or investment we make fits in one of these buckets and if it's outside of these buckets it needs to be put on a future list.

Mhm. because you know it's not necessarily like we have to I think we have to stop focusing on like a single project you know and like does it fit into one of these three priorities and if it does let's not so much focus on the project but what we have the money to do now let's not forget that there is grant funding available so that is something that I can research if there are specific things on here that you really want to focus on this year. I can look for grants to help us cover the cost of those.

And as we've learned, as many grants can be out there, whatever funding is available, if we don't have projects ready to go, you're not going to get not in all cases. Often times when it is a construction project, that is the case. But um there are lots of grants that are available. SMCOG is a great for infrastructure type stuff. We could definitely use upgrading Wi-Fi, upgrading and for like the ice rink, that type of stuff, right? That's like $5,000 to buy the equipment for the ice rink. So, if we had like a $5,000 grant out there, right? We could easily buy the supplies for the ice rink. You know, I can look for something like that. We have a spot. That was like one of the things

I guess that's one of the questions when it comes to a lot of these great ideas in with regard to improvements is where where do we put them and to the extent we're again spending money and improving the FCA property is where we you know where are we proposing to put these I think on our property on the village green you're saying behind the library yeah

hi Pam uh okay so do we want to go through each of these lists What what do we cuz these these buckets are in and of themselves pretty deep. So is the idea to pick three buckets to focus on or I I don't think we can do all items in a bucket, right? Well, well, right. But are there particular buckets we want to focus on or do we want to pick and choose items from various buckets that are the maybe the lowest hanging fruit for the time being? I mean, we could short how about we all short list some things that are important to us and we can identify themes across all of the buckets. Yeah, we're all identifying,

you know, if like three of us choose budget stabilization and addressing current budget challenges, it becomes a priority. Yeah, I like that. And then we determine feasibility. Is it a near-term or a long-term goal? Are there grant opport? Is there not a budget impact? If there is a budget impact, are there grants available? So, it becomes like when are we doing it? Yeah. Who what do we agree on? When are we doing it? Um and how are we paying for it if that's necessary? Okay. So, maybe take a few minutes to just circle. I don't know. Yeah. That works.

Circle what's important to you and then we'll talk about it. So you suggesting wood poured to us across the board versus a certain number a certain number needs no certain number though just in every bucket your tap like no more than three needed. Yeah top three that sounds good. They don't have to be in a particular one right now.

And also some of these are likely pretty similar. I was literally going to say the same thing. Like some of these things are could probably be combined. Yeah. So, I'm sure like if you upgrade the mean technology, you're going to be able to have remote participation. Right.

Right. So, Excellent. Sorry.

brought a highlighter. Of course, you brought a highlighter. I only have this because Gigi stole it out of one of my drawers and I took it from her and threw it in my briefcase.

I barely remember pen today. usually like a day. I feel like now it's like pass to the person on your lap. I'm sorry. It's like pass to the person in your lap so they can check your answers. You want to like I don't know if you guys want to Oh, there's stuff on the back. Yeah, I still I'm still list and then maybe write some like notches next to common themes and they become our Can you put this in Adobe and edit it like like you know circle things so you can use like uh Oh yeah, color coded. Yeah, you can just put next to highlight a pink highlighter in case you want to just

you also have a copy of the um planning goals and community values from the master plan. So now might be a good time to take a look at that and think about how you want to in implement these ideas that the village came up with in their new master plan. I may be done,

huh? So, what what was the next going through each bucket, right? Yeah. So, we'll go I'm sorry to go ham on this. Slap my hand. Um, I was thinking we'd go person by person, name our three priorities, and mine would be in each column. Yes. Yep. Your favorite three in each then? Yeah. Yeah. You ready? No. Start on the other side. Do you want to start, Jeff?

Sure. I will say that I think we need to theme these eventually because a lot of mine I think could I can list another one that I think falls in the similar bucket but I will just for the sake of pro this go column by column. Yep.

All right. In governance I said basically policies governance and compliance. Um the next one, council standards and practices and then meeting flow. Although I think that you know potentially processes and meeting agendas could go together. Where's meeting flow? Uh it sorry it was on the formal agenda meeting. It's right under this one. Wait. Um, sorry, Evan. I think you should put his initials because um or give everyone a different color.

I was Oh, okay. Perfect. Okay, you're good. Okay. So, um and then do you want me to list them all? Yeah. Go column by column or go column by column? Yeah. Okay. column by column. Okay. Next one. additional revenue sources. The first uh top one right below it budget stabilization

and then I had the audit and implement this one. The top one seems reasonable plan. Uh incentivize small businesses right below it. Number two and then commercial vacancies on infrastructure. I think that there's a lot on that are similar in this one, whether it's pedestrian lights, parking, or walkability improvements. So, I'll call it the walkability improvements because I think that covers a number of things. Um, crosswalks at 13 mile and then the pathway project. complete upper path project.

I think it's on the next Oh, no. It's the third down. Never mind. Don't listen to me. Right. Yeah, there you go. Is the approved pathway project? What? What is that? Which pathway project are there's only one which is what? Urbing. Is that what you meant? I was just trying to say like walkability like they seem my theme is improved connectivity. So maybe it's already as far as that third one. We're still in the running for that money from Rashida. From Yeah, from Rashida. It's it it's at it's the Senate, I think. So, my main theme is just connectivity.

Yeah, I got it. And it's in a couple places. So, yeah, connectivity in general because Yeah, I mean, three of these are connectivity. And then on the last one, um, seasonal programming, gathering spaces, which I think is also the third, and then on the back, let make sure it didn't uh the creative use of underutilized spaces. I know it's necessarily not ours, but I think thinking about partnerships is important.

Good. Yep. and Julia. Um for the first column, governance, uh remote participation in village meetings. Um two userfriendly automated tools for information engagement. Oh actually no sorry compliant tracking tool and datadriven decision- making. And then three um policies, governance and compliance which to me includes like agenda flow re pre-ereading all that.

Maybe like highlight a portion of it in a different color. Oh, you did. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Same color. Uh the second bucket um budget stabilization and addressing current budget challenges audit and implement internal financial controls. And then my third is seek additional revenue sources or the first one. Yeah. Yeah. budget stabilization uh audit implement internal financial controls. Yeah. Oh, not the analytical one. Not deep dive anal. So I I had the same ones as him. Not the third down. Yeah. Um for the economic vitality first is identify barriers to new business. Modern familyfriendly gathering places and then revitalize, retain and incentivize small businesses. or recruit retain. Sorry, I said revitalize instead of incentivize. Um, fourth column, walkability improvements.

two door easement mile 13 mile sidewalk pedestrian lights parking I mean it's all the same thing and then um safety for walkers families all generations then the last one um improve everyday community spaces is seasonal programming and create a cultural recreation. This is my question. In government services hub by hub to me it's like a tool.

Is that what it meant? Like a hub where you can find cultural, recreational, and government services. Yeah. Is this like was my word? Okay. What I meant was a geographically identified place where those things happen. Oh, I thought that future activities that are similar would probably go in that that zone or that space. Okay. Sorry, not that then. I thought by hub you meant like a sign or an interactive like tool. Um so people could find all that. Um common space improvements. So that's not a that's not for which Yeah. I was thinking hub like a a platform or Yeah, like a platform like a hub.

Got it. Okay. Not like a physical hub. More of a technological hub. Got it. Which I mean it's important both. But so which ones were yours, Angelina? Improve every day. Improve everyday community spaces, gathering spaces, seasonal programming. Seasonal programming and then uh common space improvement. So all the same thing basically. Okay. I can I I think improve everyday spaces and the one that I listed is okay then just highlight you don't have to highlight that one though. Is that what you're saying? I was thinking the one above uh nothing there's three that are similar. Improve everyday community spaces gathering spaces and then the last one common spaces. Right. I think those are all agree the same thing pretty much. So,

okay. So, then I'll use my last one for the um a wreck plan with Oakland County.

Okay. Um let's see. Um I would like to um under governance I would like uh the last one modernized community engagement tools. I would like a uh complaint driven complaint tracking tool and data driven decision making. and I would like um upgrade meeting technology. The second column I would like additional re revenue sources the first one budget stabilization the second one and I would like um I'm going to say address budgetary issues generally um on v vitality I'm going to say a village plan a village center plan um that's going to encompass a lot but Um I would like to uh recruit, retain and incentivize small businesses. And the third one is this is next fiscal year. So the scope of this is 2000 July July 1 through June 30th. Is that the scope?

Yeah. All right. Then I then want to put staff the main street director position on the infrastructure. I would like to um uh walkability improvements. Um which one best describes where we want to go with 13 mile road? Um the tutor easement or uh multi-use path planning on 13. Let's do that one. Basically, we need to finish. We need to do 13 mile. Make some progress there. I don't care which one you pick. Hey, Evan. I think Pam's second one was recruit, retain, and incentivize small businesses, right under Yeah, she had the top three. Oh, am I going too fast? I'm sorry.

He had No, one of them was like kept on highlighting and un highlighting for him. So, he got stuck on your first one. Got it. Downtown and economic vitality. That's why you heard us laughing. The second one from the top. Recruit retain. Recruit retain. Recruit retain. That was the one that gave me trouble, too. Yeah. the top three under downtown. Okay. On the list. Okay. And then infrastructure. Did you get that one for me? I only have one of those three or the other two. Um I said walkability improvements.

And then I asked the question, which one is the strongest one to support 13 mile? Um, so I pick tutor easement and then I then um I'm going to say multi-use youth p multiuse path planning connect connectivity projects in general and on community uh spaces I'm going to make a pitch for a recreational plan that will allow a lot of other things to happen. um create the hub and I would like to um do seasonal programming. No, never mind. Common space improvements.

And you wanted the first one too, right? The first one was a wck plan. Okay, sure. Uh okay. So two items. First of all, uh the first item in governance communication address severe roing. No one said it. That's not a goal. It's a absolutely has to be done. Find the get get a cost. We just allocated $20,000 or $30,000 for for special projects. Our employees cannot be working in a building where the rodents are getting into their food. So it's not even a goal. It's just do it. Yeah, I agree with that.

Okay, a question. Don't we get money for those like mosquito things? Can we use them towards rodent? This is like a sick five or going to be we get like a grant for those things. That's like $400. Do you want to just borrow my chihuahua? I wrote cat next to it. Cat. I did write cat on the paper. It is actually very serious. Is the mess still on the floor upstairs? Yep. If you want to take a look at something that happened last night, go on upstairs and just take a look at the floor. Is that why you want to come back downstairs? Don't waste one of your three on that. I'm not wasting I'm telling you it's not a goal. I'm telling you it's just do it. Just need to do it. Just get it done. Seems reasonable.

Okay.

All right. So, my my goals in column one are all on the back page. uh improve village email communications, complaint tracking tool and data-driven decision- making and modernized community engagement tools and grant identification. In the second group, uh the first one, seek additional revenue sources for the police. The second one, budget stabil stabilization. And the third one, deep dive review to cost savings. And then in the third column, uh the second one, recruit, retain, and incentivize small businesses. Identify barriers to new businesses entering vacant spaces and develop incentives or streamline processes for business attraction. And then in the third one, again, I'm not sure what that top one is as far as a goal. That's more of a can you just tell us what how much it would cost and what its main purpose is and see if it's something we could identify because I don't really see that as a goal. what the develop the plan

by no a drone request I mean what's the purpose of the drone if it's you know something we can get a grant for it has a real purpose other than I mean I thought it was for like I sure yeah I'm still trying to understand what that was for

um so I was approached by the cable board um because I had mentioned I think in 2024 in our annual report that that was something we were going to do. I had a resident that gave us a uh drone. So, we were going to send uh some of our officers uh to get the certification required. So, they were very excited about it um until we found out that the drone didn't work. And obviously, I don't want to use general fund money or taxpayer money for a drone that we're probably going to only use four or five times a year for major events for, you know, if there's children lost or someone walks away from our memory care center in Bingham Farms. Um, but the cable board said they were willing to purchase uh a high-tech drone for us as well as for them. It would be a partnership, a shared service that we would keep at our police department. Obviously, they could use it whenever they wanted to and we would be able to use it for the events for Overwatch and things like that. So, I kind of thought it was a win-winwin. Um, but some trustees have talked to me a little bit about maybe that money could be used for something else that you would rather do. And I'm fine with that as well. I just need some direction on uh because we're supposed to go in front of the cable commission in March. The cost of the drone is uh it's it's consistent with what all the other departments around us have. It's about $30,000. And the cost to the police department will just be for the training and the certification. Uh, so I'll answer some of your questions.

Is there an ongoing cost for um like subscription or services or anything beyond the cost of the drone for like server data or etc? No, the only additional cost and we could I'll talk to the cable commission on how they want to do it. If we had to get more additional batteries um if we had to get more rotors somewhere down the road. Um, we have a pretty healthy forfeite fund, so I probably could supplement it with that. Okay, cool.

So, yeah, I just wanted to I I speak to or I spoke with chief on this one um in particular, and I don't have any uh in I wanted to speak on the tradeoffs of the drone verse one of the other things that I support. Um, so what I was saying is that I don't inherently have any issue with um seeking funds for the drone. Um, but I want to be mindful of the potential offset that if we get a $30,000 grant for a drone and then we turn around and we want enhanced uh upgrade to meeting technology such as a smartboard, we would go to the cable board for that. And so they're not going to turn around and they there is a probability or propensity that they could turn around and say, "Well, you're asking for an additional 30,000 after we just gave you 30,000 for a drone." So, I think while we shouldn't knock either of them off, I think we need to decide the priority of what we want to see funding for.

Okay. Um, I know we just purchased those two cameras, correct? And and it seems like there's not a lot of, you know, children walking away in Franklin. Um, could we keep my inclination is keeping the drone on like a future list but seeing how those work and then if the money is this like a grant that has a time frame like why did they approach you now and ask if you wanted a drone? Uh, I know that Rachel had talked to Carrie at one point and then Rick David got involved and they agreed that it was a good idea.

Okay. Um that was before I heard that there might be other priorities. Okay. Yeah, because um Okay. I wasn't sure if like the drones were running a sale or something and they were like, "Okay, so what what's happening?" LET ME JUST $30,000 get our 2005 edition. The future the future of drone technology is very similar to where we are with cameras now. There's cameras all over Oakland County, all over the state of Michigan. That's going to continue. Drone technology is the next thing. Um, we will never by ourselves have first responder drones like they have at Dearbornne or Canton or Sterling Heights where the drones are launching off the buildings. Yeah.

And they're the first ones on scene. Now, we may partner with Bloomfield Township or the county at some point down the road after well after I retire, I think. Um, to to do that because I think it's valuable. I think it's an officer safety issue. It gives you that, you know, 200 foot view of what's going on. And I'm not saying that we're doing that now. This is just something that I thought, well, if they're going they want to buy us a state of the art drone, I'm all for it.

Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. I mean, to me, it's like an enhancement, but not something that our residents feel is lacking in our police or law enforcement. Like, I definitely feel like yesterday with like the fact that we couldn't have a closed meeting without it leaking outside and like the fact that, you know, people can't like there's other cable board I think priorities for the meeting. But I agree with you like it's the future. And so I feel like in 2 years we may be like the only, you know, municipality without a drone and at that point we may be like, "Yeah, we need to get one."

There's no doubt that we have great relationships with the the departments around us. If I need a drone, they're going to bring me a drone. It's just something where I'm trying to engage my officers also to give them something else to do besides drive around 12 hours in a car in circles is that they they can they learn, they can operate the drone, they're going to train on it, and that's another reason for them to be here. Now, this is more of a want than a need. Okay. We're going to survive without it. Yeah. Okay.

Yes. I was also speaking with the chief about the drum and uh had a reaction somewhere between the two of you um Angelina and David. Um so so what I I'm I'm I'm generally not in favor of purchasing a drone because it's a great idea. Chief knows this. Um we are and he also knows that I'm very supportive of the PD. So if that's off the table, my question is really for us. Um, I don't understand the money flow from cable to the cable board back to the village. I don't understand how we wrap that money back into our planning and budgeting process and how we use that money. I don't know if it's it's whipped cream on top of a Sunday or it's the actual becomes part of what we use to operate this village. My mindset right now is unless something isn't going to help us remain solvent through the next fiscal year, I'm not interested in it. We can put it on the deferred list. That's my that is my mindset. So that's driving my comments as much as anything it really Yeah, that's it. So,

could I throw out throw out a uh maybe a suggestion that we defer this uh later down the road and see where we land? Um, if you want to ask for something else from the cable commission and they want to give it to you instead of the drone, I'm okay with that. I I have a question. Sure.

And I haven't gotten an answer if we've looked into other sources outside of Exfinity. We cannot stream a live meeting. That's ridiculous. It's embarrassing. It's functionally impossible and any of these upgrades of live remote meetings and anything remotely of the sort isn't even going to be in the equation until we can get fast enough Wi-Fi speed to allow that machine to be live stream. So, we have Xfinity. It sucks. They've told us it's going to be a significant amount of money to upgrade to their um fiber optic, but there is AT&T fiber optic. I'd like to inquire into whether that is available to us. It should be on Wellington or 13 Mile Road or Franklin Road, I'm guessing from what I've understood in communications with them. So again, as far as if the cable board is offering money out, although I didn't get this as an offering $30,000, it was do you want a drone? We wouldn't mind having a drone, too. So since we were going to buy a drone, we'll share it with you. To me, that shouldn't be eating up our $30,000 types requests. But I wouldn't want to know that before we made that deal. But if it was a, you know, a a co-de with them and they're just going to store it here because we were the lucky, you know, the lucky the lucky winners, that's fine. But the biggest issue right now is we we can't even live stream. That's bad. So, um, anything else on this subject? So, we'll get back to where All right. So, thank you, Chief.

You're welcome. All right. All right. So, I was on the fourth column. Uh, mine are actually the second, third, and fourth. Storm water project, phase two, complete, approved, pathway project, walkability improvements. I mean, again, when it had the word sidewalks in there, so to me, that's that one and the 13 mile sidewalk are the same. That's the sidewalk. We only have one sidewalk that we can do. Uh, yeah.

So, that's it. Um, community spaces. is the last column. Uh the first one develop a recreation plan. Uh the fourth one seasonal programming and then the the bottom one there gathering spaces. David, what was your last choice in infrastructure? He's got in the top three. Yeah, he's doing like the circle three circles. Storm water completed water. Okay. Oh, he gets he's getting creative. Oh, and I got the pen out, too. That was it for me. Thanks. Wait till Aby's turn.

All right. So, beginning with the governance column, I've got the policies, governance, compliance, and then on the next page, the single village calendar, and then the complaint tracking tool. Okay. And then my next choices are pretty easy. It's the top three. First three ones. Yep. There you go. And then you can make another one over the the first three in the next column too, please. Trying to make this easy for you, Evan. Okay. And then moving on, I have walkability improvements. uh the crosswalk on 13 and then the general safety. The final column I have the recreation plan.

Okay. Seasonal programming and then common improvements. What is what's Abby getting? Oh, let's see. He's going to freehand Abby. We're going to get blue circles. All right. Do I get like a screen saver when you click on it?

I think you're going to get a smudge. um policies, governance and compliance. Oh yeah, good. Um modernize community engagement tools and grant identification. Next page, last one. Last one. And remote participation in village meetings, but I think um upgrade meeting technology. I'll go with that one instead because I think it's more pretty much all the same. Yeah.

Upgrade meeting technology. Um second one uh 2 three and four. Uh downtown economic vital vitality. Um identify barriers to new businesses. Um the one right underneath it, develop incentives. And then modern family-friendly gathering places and chats. And then um walkability um safety for walkers and I mean it's all walkability, right?

Yeah. I So I think walkability kind of captures everything. I'll leave it at that. Um and then in the last one, um creative use of underutilized spac spaces. Second page. Yeah. Um seasonal programming and gathering spaces. Going under it. I'll say David, it's uh cat for the first one.

That's right. That's just a solution. That's not That's right. That's not a goal. That's a solution. Cat. Get a cat.

Uh so in the first column, uh my number one is policies, governance, and compliance. My number two is upgrade meeting technology. And my three is complaint tracking tool and datadriven decision making. And the next column uh budget stabilization and addressing current budget challenges. Uh my two is deep dive analytical review to identify cost-saving opportunities. And then my three is to explore diversified revenue streams. Period. Yeah. Yeah, I don't I don't know that.

Yeah, I I would have loved to have stopped it there as well. So, I am clarifying that mine stops there because again um and specifically in that one again I think there's more revenue options than what we're currently taking advantage of. Um next column for downtown economic vitality, modern familyfriendly gathering places and shops. Two, identify barriers to new businesses entering vacant spaces. And I think that one can even be again I'm not to amend it but um entering the village rather than just vacant spaces. Sure.

Uh three develop incentives or streamline processes for business attraction for infrastructure and connectivity. Um, one, Explorer lowering the speed on 13 mile, two, walkability improvement, and then I think that really just covers it. Um, and then community spaces, recreation for quality of life. One, gathering spaces with Wi-Fi, seating, chessboards, pop-up installations. The bottom line on that page.

Yeah. Two, creative uses of underutilized spaces. Three, seasonal programming. Though for me, seasonal programming is more long-term than a near-term. Okay. Excellent. Uh, all right. Let's take a look at it. Let's go column by column. I was Can we Can we delete the ones that no one selected so we can try to get all the ones that were selected on one page? If you could do that, that'd be good. Probably just a redaction. Yeah, use the redaction feature.

And that way we're not ignoring anything. Um before just a process question before you do that. Um it seems to me that there's some opportunities for some consolidation here. Yeah, we've all talked about. Yeah, we'll do that as we go column by column for sure. Okay. But but before we delete anything that nobody nobody commented on it, but that's what you're saying. They could become part of something else. Yeah. Yeah. Like the communications plan was kind of a big deal in 25 last year and there it was had a big reach that covered some of the concerns that people were talking about tonight. So we can take it out but maybe it becomes like a sub item. Is that your point? a work product could be a communications plan.

But I think Yeah. But I think that the communication plans to your point it had a lot in it. But I think what we've done here is narrow down what type of communications are a priority to us. I'm fine. You know what I mean? So that way instead of going back through the whole plan which is like social media and all of that. Evan, we flashed the second page so we can see if what kind of overlap we have on page two in that column. So there's a lot in complaint tracking. I think we need to move it to one page. Got one, two, four, three, four, five. And the bottom one has three. Four.

All right. So I on the second page, it looks like complaint tracking is definitely one in our group and and that's already in that's already underway with community connect. So that's just getting that. But I don't think I we've done a I'm gonna be really honest here. We've done a really poor job of talking about it and making everybody aware. Like I haven't been updated and none of us have. They're working on it. The point is it isn't there is

hang on. We still need to understand what's going on. Like raise your hand if you confidently if you've ever seen the tool or functionally know what it's doing and what the village is doing with it at this table. And if the answer is one, two, three of us, that's a problem. Um, the is that a homegrown app? Is that like a is someone developing that here? Well, Mark Hanky has has been developing it. Could is there a offtheshelf product we can just buy and license like?

Well, he's developing it. So, he's developing it and we're a pilot group. So that's what I'm saying is like I just like yes it's happening. Yes, it's underway but no we don't have any visibility into it. We can't let Okay, no problem. It was a comment off the it was just a it was a comment. So it's irrelevant. We're going and identifying our collective goals. So that item is a collective goal. How we get to that is irrelevant at this point then. Okay. Does that make everyone feel better? complaint tracking tool and data driven decision making is one of the items that we've identified. So we've got three checks on this second one. What's on the first page again?

Policies, governance, and five. That one's that one's definitely got five. Can you put numbers next to them? I think just can't we just order them like policies has five? Like put the put the priorities at the top that we've all agreed. So like complete dra or someone just take a clean one and circle the three that we've identified. Poor Evan. Sorry bud. What are you guys? Sorry. Okay. Sorry. Can you insert a number just so that we can focus? Yeah. So if you um there should be ability to put like a one, a two, a three. Maybe in a row across the top or next to the item or you can freehand it.

Here. Can I use your pink highlighter? I don't have any highlighting on mine, so I'm going to do it. Policy and compliance upgrade meet. Oh, what was the second one on the back page? It's on the back. Modernized engagement tools. That's got three complaint tracking was the one on the back, right? So, complaint tracking identified and then there's a tie between modernized community engagement tools. And what was it? It's tied with uh it's tied with upgrade main technology. I mean, isn't that sort of Well, it's not. No, I feel like so well I think I think modern what was the second one? Modernized community engagement tools and grant identification.

I think we have a clear one and two. So three and four are tied. All right. I'm I'm going to highlight the meeting technology because that seems more immediate. So, do you want to just can you save this version and then we'll just and in and complete tracking and community engagement might also again be sort of similar in that we're trying to get feedback from residents and have a means of I mean I think if we have a tie for three and four it's fine keep three and four yeah like have four priorities clear and votes yep it okay so this next group go to the second page is it just the top three.

It's the top three. Yeah, it's the top three. That's second. Well, no, there's the the bottom the fourth one has four people and the third one has four. The third one has five, right? Audit and implement internal financial controls. And then audit has four, too. Okay. Because mine is like just dark. Audit has four. All right. I mean audit and implement internal financial controls is also these are like the same things. Yeah. So let's just do one two three four. Yeah. The bud the budget challenges are the fact that we need to implement internal financial controls.

Want to keep going. Mhm. Uh two two is four. Two five. What's that? What if there's only one on the second? Oh, there's two on the second page. That's three. Probably not a good number. Two, five, and four. I think that one has four, right? Or no, three. Uh identify barriers to new business. Or did we already say that one? That has five. So then there's a tie again. Does does barriers have five? It has four. Oh, recruit, retain, and incentivize small businesses as five. Yeah. So, you wanted two. Oh, sorry. Four. Which one?

No, two and five. And then there's a three-way tie between develop a downtown plan, develop incentives, and streamline processes. And then the one on the back page. What's the one on the back page? Modern familyfriendly gathering places and shops. Tell you what, let's I think we can we can on the same principle as setting aside the communications plan. The elements that would go into a downtown plan would be the ones that we would talk about today. So, let's I would vote for setting that aside. The downtown plan becomes the master goal and then yes, a byproduct or goal of that is familyfriendly businesses. We have new business coming downtown. Yeah,

that's fair. So two, five, and six. One, one, two. Are we including one then or are we just using We're not just taking So two, five, and six. One, two, three, four, five, six. What about the familyfriend? See, that's a that's a big goal of a downtown. So honestly, I think five and six are almost the same thing, right? because you have identified barriers to new businesses and then develop incentives and streamline processes for business attraction. Well, two and six are the same thing. Then I think two retain and incentivize small business are almost all the same thing. So let's do two, five and six and one on the back page. Yeah.

The familyfriendly gathering. Yeah. I mean recruiting businesses is the clear underlying theme. What means of doing that seems to be these are all like words to do a very similar thing. Yeah. And that becomes the village center plan if we're being honest. Right. This one is four. Can you go on the back page? Walkability. The safety has three. And then there's a I mean Yeah. And then we all chose a smattering of things on 13 mile. Walkability.

Yeah. Let's just let's keep it the two one I guess, right? Because it says pedestrian. That's a good one because it covers a lot more things. The tutor ement. Yeah, it does. It's got the 13 mile sidewalk in there. Yeah, I agree. And the pedestrian lights is the same thing as flashing lights across 13 miles. If we're doing a 13 mile sidewalk, we're going to do a pedestrian crosswalk, right? So So two, five, and I think safety for walkers. I'd be happy with two, but you guys want two three or sorry, you have it right.

So, this one is seasonal programming gathering spaces and then I think there was one on the back that had a lot. Yeah, it's got three creative. Go to the front page again. What was that bottom one? I'm sorry. The top one. Gathering spaces is has four on the bottom of the first page. And what's the top one plan is a village center plan. Yeah. So

I think that this is a similar situation. But it seems I agree like if you're going to say that one two three four five and six are all in sort of the same bucket which is whether it's passive or active seems to be the biggest difference. Go to the back page one more time. What was six? Creative uses of underlying spaces. So let's put four, five, and six up there, right? because then we essentially have one that feeds into Yeah, it all feeds into each other. So, it's like a unified goal. I think that's easier. Okay. So, can we clean this up now? Like save this and then clean it up and delete everything else.

Just an observation on the second column. Number four is at the top, but I think number four only has three votes and the others have more. Number four has four votes because that operating is mine. Yep. One, two, three, four. It's three. Oh, you're right. It's mine over. Oh, yeah. So, delete four. I also really think in terms of between number three and number four, it's I think they're very I mean, they're virtually the same. I think they're similar. Yeah. The one that we just deleted. Yeah. I think four is pretty similar to to deep dive analytical review.

Yeah. One's just using the term deep dive at the end of the day and one is forecast and controls. Well, it's and that one becomes a sub becomes like a action mechanism for policies, governance and compliance. So like that's what'll end up happening here. So okay. So what's the quickest way for us to see all the ones? Abby, you're PDF queen. A PDF queen. Adobe. Canva for sure. Well, can we just make a new copy and then delete everything but what's listed up there? You can pull up the word document that this came from. We need a whiteboard in here. There is smart techn. It's almost like it was on there. A smartboard.

I know our taxes are going to getting a smartboard in every BPS elementary room instead of every village office. Okay. and just just delete everything except for the ones that were Do you have two screens? No, but I was like, "Hope you have a good memory." Do we need a Do we have a time constraint?

I have a babysitter conraint. Yeah. 8:30. Ideally, well, let's let's let's say this. Once we've ident we've now identified our top goals and priorities in each column, are we now going to spend a few minutes discussing implementation? What or are we just going to Well, we're adding that cost. Is there a cost attached to like if there's a cost in a near versus is this realistic or not? a thing that we do because if it's not realistic, we can just put it on the next fiscal year when we have

or we just say we're going to have to plan for it. Like if we're if we're really saying we're going to invest in I don't know like a village green plan and it costs many millions of dollars or sidewalks on 13 mile it becomes like we need to save x amount of dollars year and also apply for grants like yeah like what Bryce said like that community was stashing away money every year for five years. So, like we can say every time we have extra money, we put 50K towards this.

I I wonder um I like those ideas. I wonder if if we should just take a step back and reflect on what we didn't pick or what and and what patterns we're seeing in these items. I'd like to hear from um you Rachel because you're the person who hands has her hands on the the day-to-day operations that aren't very pretty and creative and community engagement.

Um the other thing I'd like to make sure we talk about before we move on is things like the storm water project. Uh that's an infrastructure project. It's really easy to ignore because it's it's bulky and we aren't done with it yet. But I'd like it I'd like it I'd like us to talk about that before we don't we abandon it for this coming year. For the purposes of today though, I do think we should short list things and then maybe give some time to those things when we've got Yeah. other time because I mean every day with all due respect like we were here for five hours last night and we're

and Pam the infrastructure committee is meeting Friday at 9:30 if someone wants to brief us on the storm water project since that's infrastructure so we can absolutely do that I just mean for the purposes of tonight we need to short list this figure out what's feasible and what are we going to plan for in the budget for next year would be my vote okay but but the point I was trying to make and maybe I didn't make it very well is that that's that's a project that's going to take resources and time

and it's underway. Um and is depending on where you live in the villages as important as some of these other things. So I still agree with Angelina and Abby, trustee Gates and Trusty Salaka that one, it's an infrastructure thing. Infrastructure can get briefed on it so that they can start to prepare things for us broadly, particularly if it's underway. And then to the point Trusty Gates was making, we have a limited time tonight, at least I do, um, and want to be respectful of everybody else's time. So, keeping our priority of talking about the things that we prioritized first and then we can follow up on the things that we're not talking about, but we should be moving the most important parts of our conversation to the front. Otherwise, we're going to get exhausted.

Um, I'm with you. Um, I would So, is is everybody's expectation that that whatever comes out of this meeting is final or are is it still up for discussion? Because I would imagine the work product that we're after is a list a short list of goals that are attainable in the next fiscal year. Is that true?

Yeah. I mean, I was thinking some of these will be near-term opportunities because they require little funding and are universally supported like policies, governance, and compliance. Whereas like walkability improvements, we might say that's a goal, but underneath that it might be that the sidewalks on 13 mile are the goal. There is no way in hell that's happening next fiscal year, right? Yeah. So, it becomes like, okay, so grant funding, we explore how much money would we have to save toward that. Mhm. And when will it be feasible and at what point do we say all right in FY29 that becomes the number one priority because we've been talking about it for Yeah.

Yeah. We've got a plan and that's you know assuming the plan still fits the need like that becomes money that we'll deploy for a larger scale project. So, and and it's also feasible that to your point, Pam, a lot of these will become sub bullets underneath some of these. Like we may say, um, for downtown and economic vitality, if we're identifying barriers to new businesses entering vacant spaces, um, and you know, let's say a part of that is we do need someone to spend time as a main street director to do that. It might be that that becomes one of our goals for next fiscal year because we need we don't have the capacity or um the capability on the team today to do it. That might be you know depending on what we decide. So it is absolutely feasible some of these become just sub bullets on the bigger

did you are we done? Yeah. Okay. Okay. This is new. Okay. Okay. I can um I can live with that for tonight. Okay. So, let's put should we put money signs like which ones cost money and which ones just require focus and organization? Are you talking about of our goals or of all of them? No. No. Like column by they just narrowed the one they just narrowed like in the first column like having a meeting flow and pre-ereading processes that just go back and highlight the three then just do that. We got to laser in on our

They did. He did. This is what he's There was a tie. Was there that big of a tie in col? So remove address severe road infestation because that's not something we're going to talk about. We can't do and what about the bottom one? I'm talking about modernized community identification. I thought you had numbers written across. Yeah, we only had three numbers. So for the first group it is complaint tracking policies, governance and compliance and then upgrade meeting technology and modernized community engagement tools for TAI. Let's delete everything else. Okay. So council conduct standards that goes away.

Yeah. Formal agenda meeting and that one goes away. And this is it, right? Yes. Yes. Okay. Okay. All right. Is there a budget implication to number one? No. No. That just requires I mean nothing is free, but Yeah. But that's prioritizing staff tasking, right? Staff time. That's staff time. Not a It's not a line item implication, but the the downstream effects could be what? What else doesn't get done while I'm doing that? Yeah.

Correct. Also, I mean, I think that we just need to utilize AI and MML a lot for that. Like MML will give you templates and I mean, you know, MML is just basically going to hand you over you know, whatever they have and then you'll have to customize it. Y and I think if like we give time to like how you brought the policy for procurement to us and like once a month or once every other month you bring us a couple policies for us to review. I think that's how we do it. Like we chunk it out. Yeah. Or even just like department policies how like finance policies, accounting and finance.

We need a lot of those and that those are at the top of my list to complete next. I'm sorry. I was just say is are there other costs like attorneys and so there will be minimal attorney costs just to do the review I mean yeah so so one of the things that I mean even for policies governance and compliance again to the extent that you want any assistance I am happy to help because like at the end of the day anything government is a wonderful world for AI because it's trained off of the public domain and all things are public related to government and we can put information into it without having to worry about data leakage because it's all public. It's all public.

Um, so I think we can get a lot of base frameworks to get to you to be able to start to massage and carve away at it to what you want. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, one is basically staff time like so should we put like ST or something or I mean that's a near-term. Yeah. So, near-term. You're right. Let's use near-term. It's a near-term goal. It's a 2020. It's a So, let's put green, right? That means it's a go. Mhm. I mean, are we sifting through these now or what are we trying to get done? Yeah, we're trying to identify

identifying which costs money and which is what is within this fiscal. So, two clearly is money. Yeah. So, can you use a different color? I I think that but that could also be a cable board request. Yeah, it requires money. Well, there it's ours already there, but they have money to give because they wanted to give it to us,

right? There has to be we have to have be able to have the nuance of like if this if we can't we can get a proposal to the cable board. If they reject it, then yeah, I think it defers down into the is this something that we're going to spend money on? But I think we have a very clear path for where we're requesting funds from. So, it wouldn't be the same thing as something else that specifically requires an investment. So, the call to action on this one would be Yeah, I was going to say, can you change it to blue? Change the color. Yeah, just because red is like a stop and I think blue is like out of our control. You're considering getting into elementary like the ocean.

Just a career option. Think about it. You know how many kids we have? I do. That's what I'm suggesting. Um, okay. So, this one would be again like I consider it more green because the service that we're receiving. So, again, just to be clear, the work that Mark is doing on this as of now is free of charge. So, I'm going to put it in a green category until we have a reason not to.

Can I just speak to this? like what what I think I wrote this, but what I would mean by data driven decision-m is we would be able to export a report from whatever our tracking tool was on how many people talked about deer in the meetings from the past three years and how many people called about deer in the meetings from the past called the office and then aggregate that with how many deer incidents there have been. Dear let me jump in real quick because

that data would drive our decision making. Pressy Slaka, you know very well that in all these circumstances, you need to have a plan before you have a tool. So to me, we would have to like complaint tracking tool. You're not talking about the acquisition of a tool. You're talking about the formation of what we're looking to track. Yeah. Like a medium. You'd have to have tags and like a mode. How long um how long has this tool been under development? almost two years. That's a really that's an eternity in in App Atland. Well, but the office is using parts of

But remember but remember that it stopped last year because everything stopped in the office. Yeah. So So it got it it it's it w it hit the staff in March of 20 four five. It doesn't you know I I I think we got to take Community Connect out of it. What we're talking about is what do we want to what toolbox do we want to have in the office? What's important to us? That's what we already we've already talked about that and that's I I and I get that. I think what I'm saying is like with community connect, it's not just launching the product is not the end of the game. You have to maintain it. You have to have staff continue to work on it and yes

bug like it and if it's already taking two years, it's like a no. But please don't latch on to that. It's not important. So my point is like are there off-the-shelf products that exist for other municipalities that would help us to track this stuff? Can I ask Hang on. I want to address the elephant in the room. Why is this such a touchy subject, David? This time you've gotten frustrated at us because it's irrelevant. It's not irrelevant. It's a tool that we want to learn about the tool.

I I I agree. And the the the the way to learn about the tool is have the person who's been working on the tool, I've been asking for an ages now, to come in and give us a presentation. The point that Pam is making is is during its test phase, the office was using it. Dana was getting great value out of it. Uh Susan was getting value out of it. They were tracking complaints from beginning to end. They were showing how things started, how it went through the process. Then it, as Pam said, everything broke down and the whole new administration has had no education on it. So it's it's been just sitting there. So when Abby says it's taken two years to implement, Mark isn't have like two years worth of bugs in his program. He's been adding to the program as it goes. I've only seen it in action once over a year ago. And at that point, I was like, "This thing can be amazing." Because of the survey piece and the complaint tracking piece and the hotspot piece and the getting data on every single resident in the village, meaning their address and their email. And when somebody complained about deer and if or whatever, it was set up where every single person's address was in there. So, like you said, if you wanted to know where deer complaints were, you would just go see where green is.

But what I'm saying is where's the MVP? Then if those things are in operation, then they should be in production. Minimum viable product. Minimum viable product. You get you don't like wait until everything is completely built in order to ship the entire app. You start with been using it until July. But that doesn't make any sense because we were told was using it and Gemma and those two people haven't left. All right. This isn't productive. Mark just needs to come in. Agreed. And provide us the capabilities of this tool and then we can make a determination of whether or not it satisfies the needs. That is right. So what's the need? What's the problem we're trying to solve? We want to know what is happening in the community complaint wise. That's right.

No, that's really not what we're doing right now. What we were doing right now was so we can get out of here was identifying what costs money and what doesn't cost money. Aby's means of doing it is costing money because we have to go buy something. Mark's product doesn't cost us money. So, let's just leave it at no money right now. Yeah. Because if it doesn't cost us money, but it doesn't get us to our goal, then it's not the best solution.

Okay. But hang on. No, no, no. But this is my point. We have to move on to the next issue because because exact. We could be going back and forth on the smartboard technology because there's no guarantee that cable board's going to give it to us. Let's learn about the capabilities of what Mark is saying and if it doesn't satisfy what we want or we want to materially increase our cost to get one or two additional widgets into a tool fine but let's start with the thing that's free and then we can determine the rest and then so I think we have a clear to me we have a clear logical path forward rather than dismissing the tool that's at our disposal for I say we move on to

Yeah. And the third one doesn't cost money either, I don't believe. Can I add one more thing? Is it possible that we would explore alternatives like through an RFP process to say yes, we have this free option, but are there additional capabilities that would be really powerful that might give us some modernized community engagement tool options? That's what I was saying. That don't exist with Mark. So, I'm saying yes, there's no cost implication to this, but B, are there better opportunities for a better technology to get us closer to where we want to go, both now and in the future? That's all I was saying. Agreed. But the first step is learning the capabilities of the tool that is free before we write it off as not meeting our needs. I'm not writing it off. Are you guys still on the third one or you move to the fourth part?

Okay. So, tell me this. What is we mean by modernized community engagement tools? What? I don't know who wrote that, but what does that int I know what grant identification is, but what is a community engagement tool? What are we talking about here? To me, that could be like social media. That could be like QR codes, telling people to like any sort of thing that engages the community. Okay.

Um, and I'm guessing the grant identification is tools for that community engagement, right? So like there's a lot of tools I mean and community engagement tools could also be a sign that is digital good you know that tells the community what's going on. Would you guys be open to dropping and grant identification because it doesn't seem like it matches? I think I think it's with I think No, I agree. I think every Yeah, every one of these to the extent we could get a grant to help us do it would be Yeah.

I also think in didn't we have grants or identifying new revenue streams somewhere? We got dropped off. Where was that? It was on the It was the last one on the second on financial stability. It was dropped off because it only got one vote. I don't think anyone would. Where is that? It was on the It's right here on the right here. Diverse side. Yeah.

And then David said, "Let's get Let's drop off the historic values thing." But it still just got one vote. So I I mean I think none of us are going to be like we should not identify grants or I think that's uh that has to do with how you address the current budget challenges. No, it should be a a standard operating procedure. We should be constantly looking for grants. So maybe we'll um put that as a sub bullet under the first one. We we have never assigned anybody the responsibility in the office or among council or anywhere to to spend a part of their time running, you know, looking for hunting for grant money. Did the treasurer have grant on the PD or additional revenues or any of that?

I think it was more like a I think we could add that if we're going to she had there was some accountability in in the treasury. I was going to say I remember us including Grant in there. Yeah. or at least seeking creative budget revenue sources. Yeah. Okay. So, is modernized community engagement tools is it agreeing? I think it's a it's kind of a scale. If it's like a new sign that's digital, that's probably money. If it's improve our communication through social media channels and operating procedures of emails, that's a few hundred bucks somewhere. That's that's green. So I think there's definitely things that can be done in that capacity in the near term.

Yeah. So the rest of the statement for modernized community community engagement tools says to ensure all village updates are communicated effectively to residents where everyone can access them. Okay, that was the rest of that idea. Okay, for the next column, I mean, I don't know if any of those cost money, do they? This just seems like operating stuff.

Wait, I have a question. How much How many did transparent public reporting of expenditures get? I think we have one too many. Yeah, I don't think that one I mean that's obviously requirement. Hang on. So okay board didn't get the board didn't get they you originally had audit and implement but then you took it out delete because you decided it's essentially the same as the deep dive. No, but we never had that maintain transparent public reporting of expenditures. Oh. Oh. Oh, I'm sorry. So it should be here. It should be seek additional revenue sources. Yeah, that's the grant one. That's the That's That was I was like I feel like we had it on.

Yeah, we did. That's the top one. Okay. Yep. So, move seek additional revenue sourc. So, can I ask a I didn't vote for the first one and it made the list. So, can I just get clarity because it's seek additional revenue sources to address police and fire. Why are we limiting ourselves to police and fire? because those are key things that we need to address right now.

Well, because police and fire there only really means that we can join we can we can increase revenue through a millage or a bond. We can't bond for just what we want to spend money on. If we get a police millage, then that frees up the general fund. And as far as fire, we need to figure out how to generate additional revenues in order to support our fire department. I thought that was more like find creative revenue sources. I thought it was too. So, so, hey, um, Evan, if you could put that item back in there. I think there's a punctuation problem. Seek additional revenue sources to address police, fire, and operating costs. That's what I thought it was. Yeah, it's a goal. It It Okay, that makes sense that they're

That's what three different items. There you go. Police, fire, and operating costs. But what you just said, David, we can't do a millage just for operating cost. No, but this is just seeking additional revenue sources. The first two would be through millillage. The other would be cost savings. Yeah. Or grants or Yeah. cable boards and things like that. I think we need to talk about this because this has come up. What has come up? the the whole millillage thing and no one's really everyone just keeps on push cooking the can I don't feel comfortable voting I think that's the point of this

you feel comfortable voting what I'm not following if we are going to go for a millillage we have to put it on an election yes so we have to decide in the next 60 days but that's what this would do okay so let's talk about it because it's on here now no we're never going to get done with the meeting if we're all going to express opinions about. So I think I I thought this wasn't a millage. I thought it was seeking additional revenue sources. If it was seeking a millage to address police, fire, and operating costs, that's what it should have said. Well, could isn't it exploring several? I I know. I didn't. Or is it just the millillage?

Do you know of other sources to generate revenue besides a millillage increase? I don't know that that's what I don't know, right? It didn't say millillage if it had said mill. So, here's a perfect example. The fact that we're grouping in police and fire implies that we're going to pursue millig increases for both police and fire. Those are two separate things. Additionally, fire. I don't know the current status of whether or not Bingham is staying with our fire department or not. But then there's the do we do we explore the possibility of other municipal joining up with another municipality we still got to have sufficient money our revenues in that area. That's my point. That's what I'm saying. That's that is something outside of millage.

Yeah. If this was millillage I think we have to go back to see how many people prioritize that and how many people didn't. Okay. Can I just say that it has to be a priority. It's not a choice. Yeah. Like I'm seriously thinking that that's not a means of revenue. Like do you really think there's a another way to do this? I'm just curious. Just curious. Can I Yeah, please take on this.

So when I started, it was already made clear to me that by 2028 or 29, we were going to be in the red because of police funding. Take the fire out. Okay, that's a whole separate situation. Let's just talk about police right now. So, we were going to fail if we did not run this millillage to pull our police services out of our general fund and fund it entirely with this millillage. Now that we've had this issue with the treasury, um it's even more important. We will be we will need to move forward with this millillage sooner than later. We don't have an additional year to wait.

Completely agree. That's why I was saying that again I just think that it is written the right way. I interpreted revenue sources to mean that's why I specifically called out it clarifies police and fire because that entails a police millage. Yes. I do think though for purposes of streamlining that the scope of this should either be separated or remove fire because we want to be targeted in the approach. Okay, so let's go back. The key is the police. Fire can become an entirely separate conversation, but we really can't even have that conversation until we