Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Good evening, everybody. Welcome to the July 13th, 2026 Franklin Planet Board meeting. It's at 7 p.m. This meeting is audio and video recorded, as well as on Zoom. Zoom caller number is 312-626-6799, with a meeting number of 894-526-58341. Before we go to an initial public hearing, I'll take care of some general business first. This will be for the first time, the Grillo Estates, the endorsement for Grillo Estates. If I could go to Amy in the Department of Planning, please.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. They submitted the plans. It's past the appeal period, and there were no appeals on the plans, so they submitted the subdivision for endorsement. There were several changes listed in the certificate of vote that Mike, your town engineer, and Beta have reviewed and have seen that they've met those conditions. Thank you. Anybody have any comments or questions?

So I'll make a motion to endorse Gribble Estates. Do I hear a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Next item of business, this would be for meeting minutes. Meeting minutes for May 11, 2026. Does anybody have any additions or deletions? If not, make a motion to approve May 11th.

No, I'm good on this one.

Okay. Make a motion to accept May 11th meeting minutes. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye.

Abstain.

Okay. Also, June 1st, meeting minutes, any additions, deletions, and any additions? I need to abstain. I wasn't intended to. Okay. So we'll make a motion to approve June 1st meeting minutes, 2026, with Chris abstaining. Second.

Second.

All in favor? Aye. And last would be June 22nd meeting minutes, 2026. Does anybody have any additions or deletions? If not, make a motion to accept June 22nd meeting minutes. Do I hear a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Okay. so go to our next item of business should be for an initial public hearing for 266 zero pleasant street elena estates i make a motion to waive the reading do i hear a second second all in favor aye aye If I could go to Amy first for a quick review before I go to the applicant.

Do we have an update? Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chairman. So the applicant has filed a preliminary subdivision plan to create four billable lots and a roadway located off of Pleasant Street. I just do want to note it was filed on June 18th, 2026, and the planning board has 45 days to render a decision unless the applicant agrees to an extension to the planning board. They have requested two waivers on the right-of-way grave and the dead-end streets. We probably also would like a third waiver for a sidewalk to be located on one side and not both sides, I would think. I just would recommend that. It's a typical thing that the board does. Very small subdivisions.

Thank you. Good, thank you. Before I go to the rest of the board, Mike, if I could just go to the applicant, if you just want to introduce yourselves for the record, please.

Great, thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. Edward Cannon on behalf of the applicant, joined tonight by Mike Dean from D&L Design Group, as well as Eric Marder, I believe, from the ownership group should be joining us via Zoom.

Thank you.

yes just if um the owner or anyone on zoom wants to speak yeah raise your hand and then typically and i'll leave it to our chairman if he takes comments at the end sure great thank you very much okay so before i go the rest of the board and the rest of the public and everybody else if you want to just give us a brief overview of uh what you have

Appreciate it. Sure. If I could, through the chair, just ask Mike to take the board through the plan, the design, and we're happy to answer any questions. Sure.

Thank you. No problems. Thank you.

Okay. Good evening. Thank you. My name is Mike Dean with D&L Design Group. They're representing the applicant Eric Marder. The project that's just mentioned is referred to as Alina Estates. It is for 266 Pleasant Street and 0 Pleasant Street. Location, the locust is shown here. Pleasant Street is on this area. And we have Patton Road located here. The Flintlock Road is shown there. Just around us. So the parcel, the project consists of two parcels, referred to as 266 Pleasant Street. Once again, here's Pleasant Street. Here's the existing single-family house that's associated with 266 Pleasant. And that's the one parcel shown there in orange. And here's the common property line between the two parcels that are associated with the project. This parcel here for 266 is mapped 262, lot 22, and that's 2.96 acres of land. The second parcel that's associated with the project is shown here. It's orange. Map 267, lot 4, referred to as 0 Pleasant Street. And that is 1.2 acres for a total of 4.16 acres total. So there's over 4 acres associated with this project. And the parcels are zoned, residentially zoned, single family 3. And that shows the existing conditions plan. The site generally slopes from the rare portion of the site towards Pleasant Street. So the proposal. This plan is showing the proposal with the road. Once again, the proposed road is shown here in the black. Proposed road shown there with lot one. proposed lot one here, proposed lot two, proposed lot three, proposed lot four, also with a separate parcel dedicated for the detention basin and the stormwater management. Shown here is also the proposed roadway and pavement at the standard widths that's required under the subdivision. proposed water line, common water, shown here in the blue. And then there'll be a typical drainage connection from the roadway down into this area for the stormwater basin, shown here. So once again, this is a preliminary plan, so the drainage and items are shown in a general manner. And then that'll be connected down into Pleasant Street for the drain, the existing drain. four lots, and then this plan here. And that's why I handed out to you guys the 11 by 17s with the same colors and so on. Here's the proposed roadway once again, lot one, lot two, lot three, and lot four. Here's the second parcel, proposed roadway. And then this is just added, the grade, the proposed grade, and then the general matter is added to this plan. Once again, there is some topography. across the site so that ties into once the proposed roadway is designed a hundred percent but we have a pretty good handle that we're going to need more than a five foot in this case a five foot cut more than a five foot cut and that needs approval by this board that's the way the regulations are written and then also this proposal the proposed roadway from the sideline of pleasant street to the center of the circle the way that this is shown here as designed is 325 feet. The regulations require that the minimum distance from the sideline to the center of the circle be 400 feet. So we can see from that way. And that's the project. So that's the overview, and I'll turn it back over to you.

Great. So, yeah, we're just looking to get some guidance from this board. We have the request to waive us. Thank you, Amy. The sidewalk on one side would be another one to add in. Based on that feedback, that will allow the owner to know how to proceed with a definitive. And so we're happy to answer any questions that you have.

Okay, good. Thank you. Before I go to the audience, I'll go to the board first. I'll start with Chris.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Where is the driveway planned to be for Lot 1? Is it going to be on the cul-de-sac road or is it going to be on Pleasant Street?

At this moment, it's proposed to be coming off of the roadway and not off of Pleasant Street through that tail. Okay, so will that tail be left as it is right now?

At this point, that's the way it's being proposed.

Okay.

And is the buildable lot area not able to fit on the left-hand side of that parcel? I see the circle here at the beginning here, but could the building envelope be accommodated to the left-hand side? Yeah. Right in this area here? Yeah. Right. That's where it is. Yes. Will that same diameter fit on the left-hand side?

I mean, well... Yeah, I would say probably, but the way that the regulations are written, it has to touch the right way, so I didn't bother drawing it again. And the land's all buildable. It's, you know, we have testing. I could scale that and see if it fits there, or I could add that to there for, I understand what you're saying. Can that area fit there? I just didn't draw it because they have to touch the front so I just as soon as that's always back in the design.

I think either way my concern and hope is just that there's not two access points to that one lot. Understood.

One.

We have a town water tower. Obviously, it's a tower, not a well, right? There's no well? Yeah, in that area there. This is the tower. With changes to the grading with the work, any impact that either from the applicant or through Mike, any potential concerns with the water tower presence being that close?

No, I don't see any. The proposed grading, I don't see that impact on the water tower that's located up here.

And then I guess through the chair, I'll ask the question to Mike, if I could. What's the thought process behind 400 feet being the minimum?

Through the chair, to be honest with you, the maximum is what we said is 600 for safety reasons and stuff like that. Minimum, I'm not too sure where the 400 came from. One of the issues is you don't want it too short where you have the cul-de-sac coming right off the main road there. So you want at least a far enough back where someone can pull in and turn around in the room there. I don't necessarily see an issue with the waiver for the 300 feet, 300 change. It's far enough away from the pleasantry. I'm not sure where that came from, the minimum value. Okay. Great.

Thank you, Mike. Those are all my questions, Mr.

Chair. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So I didn't have a chance to scale off the drainage, but it seems pretty steep. But as you guys say in here, there's like more topography plans coming, so I think that's going to help answer a lot of the questions I have regarding topography and grade and things like that. I think having homes and driveways on here will also be a system, because that's where a lot of my... Questions lie specific to the homes. For the subdivision, I think 300 feet is fine. I don't see any issue with that at all. But you've got the underground electric going all the way to the end. I think smacking another light down there was pretty good. 300 feet between lights is about standard. I had the same concerns with Chris with a lot of multiple drainage, and then I had a question for Mike regarding the sewer. That's not sewer over there, is it? No, no. I didn't think so, yeah. Okay, so that was really all I had for right now. I think I might have more questions when the grading comes up, but a lot of the questions I have are the same ones that Mike had. You know, see some... profiles and maybe cut sections up like driveways and things like that would be informative. But that's about it. That's my most good advice.

Thanks.

Thank you. Mark?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One of my questions would be currently that whole area is pretty well wooded. What would the plans you have for erosion control? In my opinion, if that was clear-cut, that would cause a lot of issues for people downhill, so to speak. So would there have to be a plan for that?

Yeah, and I apologize, but in summary, I had three points that I apparently forgot to say. So the roadway will have final design shown on the proposed slope of the roadway. The drainage will be 100% designed to mitigate pre and post development, flow rates and volumes, and also fully developed erosion control plan will be prepared and required to the definitive stage. All right, thank you for that. I apologize for that, but not stating that.

Everybody's touched on what I have, so thank you very much. Thank you. Eric?

Yeah, thanks for hitting the questions on septic and house location for house lot one. I had those similar questions. One question I have too is just about given the proximity of the abutting residences that are in that area, just any sort of thought around vegetative screening that you've considered?

Not at that point, but through that process, I'm sure, with dialogue with the abutters and the definitive, I'm sure we'll work that through and preserve as much as we can. But I have not just created a buffer at this point.

Yeah, I think my personal preference is to have a natural vegetative buffer in that area. To the extent that that isn't workable, then you start looking at other options. But having those details within the site plan would be beneficial. Number two is on the drainage there. What I'm wondering about is, it doesn't look like you're proposing fencing around the drainage and so I'm just wanting to have a better understanding about how deep that drainage basin is.

Yeah, so at this point, like I said, it's shown in a general manner as required for the preliminary. So I don't really know how deep that's going to be at this point. It's not sized. I mean, I've ran some rough numbers to cut out a parcel that I think is going to fit. But until you really hit the numbers, it's very dynamic. I don't know at this point if it's shown in a general manner, but it has to meet all the pre and post requirements. and mitigate what's coming off that site.

Great, thank you. Yeah, and then we'll go through that. My preference is not that it could be shallow enough to manage everything without having to have any sort of fencing to maintain public safety from that facility. The last question I have, building off of Mark's thoughts there on the erosion control, if you could look at lot one where it is coming off of Pleasant Street there, if that is where the road is coming, recognizing that it's quite steep in that area, the erosion controls that you're looking at shouldn't just be limited to the road itself, but if to the extent that you're looking at the road coming in off of Pleasant Street, or any clearing is happening on that section of the lot, I'd look for some sort of erosion management there as well. That's it. Thank you.

Thank you. Sure. Go ahead. Planting plan, if you're going to put stuff in the planting strip, are they going to put trees there? So if you mind, submit one. Sure. I'm on a rampage against . I hate that tree. Quick anecdote. I looked at my neighbor. I'm like, your neighbor's tree right on the property line there? is a Bradford pear and it's going to snap. And this last windstorm, half of it snapped because they are horrible trees and should be buried deep in hell. Is that a good way to put it? It wasn't buried. No, say no to the Bradford pear. That is my crusade now. So thanks, gentlemen. It looked nice in the spring, though. I appreciate that, guys. Maples. Anything native. Maples, oaks.

A good error? Yeah. Okay, good. um i just had a few i think people have on most of them um i do know the parcel itself it is fairly steep pretty substantial uphill grade from pleasant street to the top of the road and to the to the houses themselves you get probably a 30 foot incline there and it's all ledge what you guys encounter when you did your test holes how much yeah so the testing actually um

I was pleasantly surprised. There were some test holes as deep as 13 feet. Refusal at 13. It's a very compact gravel. A little interesting with the angular rock and everything, so it's pretty dense. But it was all sands and gravels, no groundwater. There was another test hole fairly deep, about 12 feet. And so... Those are the test holes right here at the highest point. And going this way, those were pretty decent test results, which, like I said, I was pleasantly pleased with those. And then heading to this, see these location here? Those are three more test holes. That's the change at refusal around seven, eight feet.

Because obviously you're going to have to do some blasting up in there, that's all, so make sure that you're aware of that. The next big thing was not just the neighbors, but that water tank, which is literally, you know, within a distance there. We have to make sure we protect that water tank as well. Do you happen to know? The elevation of the houses to the adjoining properties on the backside, like, are you going to be over them? Are you going to be the same elevation on Patton Road? Make sure you're not dwarfing them. I saw some... Elevations, but I know that, I know Patton Road's got that, it's got a hill on the right side, but then it drops to the left, so.

Yeah, so Patton Road is, you know, the topography, you know, it changes a little bit with when they built the roadway. In general, it's coming down towards this direction, so we are set up lower.

So you are going to be a little bit lower? Yeah. Okay.

I mean, you know, but once you have the 20-foot trucks, but I don't think we'll be towering them and towering the houses, because those are houses as well.

They're up on the high side, too. Okay. I just wanted to ask the question, that's all. And, yeah, I think to Jay's point, cross cuts, maybe foundation elevations of top of foundation and slab and driveway because those driveways are going to have some pretty good steep runs like Pat in the States has. So going to make sure they're safe getting up in and out of them as well. You're gonna go for water, you're gonna have septic, so that'll be a little bit interesting to do as well. Okay. That's all I have for now. Just more information about the house, the lot, to the street in terms of elevation changes, just to make sure it makes sense. Before I go to the audience, I'll go to Mike. Mike, if you could chime in for your letter that we have here for the applicant as well.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So this is just a preliminary plan, so there's a lot more engineering details that would be put into the plan, but just as some general comments. They're proposing to extend the water mains coming off of Pleasant Street, so that will require town council approval. We'll do a separate process for that. The proposed roadway entrance is going to cross the existing sidewalk of Pleasant Street, so we'll just have to add ADA ramps, have that crossing there. Street lights should be added more than the cul-de-sac, one at the intersection of Pleasant Street. And the final plan should have a roadway profile showing the grades that were discussed earlier, and the full grade design obviously will need to be submitted for review. And you've mentioned there is some ledge out there that needs some blasting. One concern is the water tank right there, so the concern with blasting is making sure we move all the proper logistics with that.

But that's pretty much it. Okay, good.

Excuse me, Mr. Chair? Sure. I have one extra question. Sure. Were you planning on having this road accepted by the town at some point?

That's how it's drawn and that's what we're planning on. I really haven't had a lot of dialogue about that. I think we're open to some dialogue about that or whatever.

No particular preference. Okay. So if this board had a preference of a private way with a homeowner's trust to maintain it, certainly open to that conversation. If you prefer it be done and be acceptable to be taken as a public way, that's the intent. Yeah. And we'd be happy to do that.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Well, I guess if everybody's done, anybody in the audience have any comments or questions? Or anybody on Zoom? Okay, so question to the board, Billings. We're going to look for some more information when we come back. You guys have enough input from us on what we're going to be looking for on the return trip anyways, if you want to proceed?

Sure. Did you want to, I guess the question we had was, did you want to see some additional information on the preliminary, or would you, if what you see at least passed the sniff test, would it be just more efficient to go right to a definitive and then supply all the drainage calcs and all that? So however you want to do it's fine with us.

So, I mean, for our, I mean, there's really only so much we can review in the preliminary plan. So, I mean, those are my general comments. I mean, to look at the drainage, profiles, grades, everything really need a full-blown design to actually dig deep into that to really do a full review on it. So, there's really nothing outstanding that I saw in the preliminary plan that we were concerned with necessarily.

Amy, do you want to?

Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think, like, and I wouldn't get beta involved, just so the board knows, until the definitive comes in with all the stormwater management. Sure. So a lot of it, I don't think we're going to get much more out of the preliminary. It's more for the layout, and Mr. Cannon's had the sniff test to see, and I think the board's given some really good feedback for what they can expect when they move to definitive.

Okay. How about... both you guys i mean i'm comfortable enough if they come back with a definitive it's just going to be a lot more information that they're going to have to provide and put together for us but are you comfortable with that too yeah i think this is i think you're pretty close to my pretty close to to proceed forward at this point just to do some more design calcs and whatnot.

Yeah, I mean, you gave us great feedback, and we want to be sensitive to your time, you know, which the feedback's great, so if we can go right to definitive and then supply all that information, the planting plan, the drainage calcs, the cross-section of the street, you know, all that stuff, which obviously is much more in-depth, much more costly, you know, but I think that makes the most sense from a time management, so we'll be happy to do that. Okay.

All right, good. Anybody else have any questions or comments?

Oh, yeah. Just for design purposes, is the board okay with those three waivers requested, the 5-1 cut ratio just given the unusual topography, the lake, the cul-de-sac, and then the sidewalk on one side? Okay.

Yeah, the only one I'd be a little concerned with the topo. A little more information with the topo would be beneficial. The other two I'm fine with myself.

Yeah, I guess that would be mine as well.

Just want to make sure we're comfortable making a decision on something like that. That's all with a little bit more information.

Yeah, because to know how much you're going to exceed by would be nice.

Oh, I mean, I could answer some of those questions now if you'd like. That grade is pretty, you know, this cuts up, you know, 12 to 15 feet at the highest point. So, I mean, it's there and there's no way that this site can be developed without that waiver on the five feet because you can't run a road in there at the required slopes and get under a five foot cut. It's just not going to happen. So if we don't have that waiver. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, it's more to understand like the slope actually involved, not necessarily the elevation but the slope.

Yeah, so the wave is for that five foot maximum cut. That's all it's pertaining to. But the slopes are going to be, they won't exceed any of the requirement, required roadways. slopes from the subdivision. We're not asking to exceed that.

No, but you're saying like the slope away from the curb line, if you will, to exceed five feet in elevation.

It's the proposed road grade to the existing topography exceeds more than five. It's just the vertical. Yeah, that's all it is. That's what that wave is for. So you can't. If you don't have that wave, you can't even get off the ground on this. I was being honest. I was thinking the whole side of it.

Yeah, I was going a different way with the figure. No, no.

Yes. I'm perfectly amenable to that. Mike, are you comfortable with that, too, based on what you've seen?

Yeah, so basically the waiver, they either have to get the waiver from that for a maximum cut from the sign-on line, or they have to exceed the proposed slope of the roadway. Cutting the sign-on line would be much more preferable than having steeper roads. Yeah, I was worried about the steep roads. I was going to be a nurse. Thanks, John.

Through the chair, if I may. To that point in the erosion control plan then, you're looking at how you're getting that fill off-site then and what the management process is for that, making sure that you're looking to mitigate any sort of impacts that you might have with those vehicles to the neighboring properties as well as, you know, stones, et cetera, at the end. in order to control that. I would be curious on the driveway then, in particular for lot two then, because it looks so steep there, and what your approach is to handle that, recognizing we do live here in Massachusetts, and the winters can be quite tough, and having had a house that has a very steep driveway during the wintertime, it's less favorable. So I'd be curious to have a little bit more detail about that too. Thank you.

That's why I asked for slab elevation, foundation elevation. Is that it? Okay. Just so we know what we're getting into at that point. Great, thank you. I think the two logs on the right aren't as bad, but the two on the left are a little more challenging, or a lot more challenging. Yep. So, okay. Yeah. Okay, so.

We do have someone with their hand raised right now.

Okay.

They want to, if you want to.

Sure, you want to let them in?

Yeah, they can speak.

Yes, I can hear me.

Yes, you have a question?

Yes, I just have a quick question. So I live on the path of growth. Just in terms of privacy, is there any plans that show the amount of trees that are going to be cut just so that we're not looking into each other's backyards as these properties are built in the future?

we'll take care of that definitive that was a yes exactly eric raised about how much of the natural buffer can we retain and if not how much planting would be necessary to provide an evergreen screen yes eric eric did ask that question and uh a lot of that information will come back on the definitive plan uh this is just very vague um

Preliminary, this is more of a layout plan. Much more detail will come with a definitive plan, though.

Understood, and will that be shared with the neighbors?

Oh, 100%. Perfect, thank you. It'll be all public information.

Yeah, just to let everyone know, with the definitive plan, you will get another public hearing notice. It will be posted on the website. So it will be on the agenda. So everyone will be notified again when that gets filed. So just look in your mail.

Yeah. This isn't the first, the last, that's all. There will be many more. Okay. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. So I'll make a motion to continue Lena Estates.

Do you want to close the public hearing? So the preliminary needs to be voted on. And then they put a whole new filing in for the defendant. But it would be closed public hearing, and then it's just a yay or nay.

Okay. So make a motion to approve the preliminary. We're going to close the public hearing first. Oh, excuse me. Sorry. Make a motion to close public hearing on Alina Estates. I second. Second. All in favor? Aye. No. Make a motion to continue. Elaine or Estates? No, it's approved. To approve. To approve.

This will close out the whole hearing, and then they're going to refile with a definitive. All the filing comes with a definitive.

It's just a preliminary. We can't date it with a preliminary. If we could, by point of order, just include the waiver request in the vote, that would be great. Thank you.

That's good. Motion to approve the preliminary subdivision plan.

With waivers.

No, we have to do waivers first? I thought we just covered them.

You can do it with your approval.

Okay.

Including the following waivers.

The first we're required is for... 300-10 streets, D, grade five within the right-of-way, proposed grades within the right-of-way shall be not more than five feet above or below the existing grades unless specifically authorized by the board. In unusual topographic circumstances, may not technically be a waiver or needs authorization from the board. And then the second we're looking for here is the dead-end streets. Dead-end streets shall have a minimum length of 400 feet to the center line or turnaround. They propose a 325. I believe we're looking for a third waiver for the sidewalks on one side of the road. So to include a third waiver for sidewalks on Wednesday. Can I hear a second? Second. All in favor?

One question, point of clarification. Amy, then, are these, this is for the preliminary. It's not necessarily binding for these waivers and on the full submittal, correct?

Correct.

Thank you. Okay.

Second.

If I may, just point of order. I guess the reason we asked for the waiver is because the applicant has to then expend a lot of money to develop the plans. So we wouldn't want to rely on the board's decision on the preliminary with the waivers, spend all the money, and then come back and say, well, we changed our mind on the waivers. I guess that's the only caveat.

I'm conscious of that. You know, at the same time, we don't have all the information here that is necessary in order to make those determinations. And I don't want to be held to a future decision based off of new information that may come in.

So you're going with the grade off of five foot? Which way would you have a specific concern with?

Yeah, that's probably the biggest one I have.

Yeah. So let's see here. Do we have proposed? Can I flip to the page real quick? Could you highlight an area at which the grade, the existing versus proposed exceeds five feet on the plan? Sure. Thanks.

So as I had previously mentioned, right in the highest The area of the water is located right here at I think 328, existing elevation 328. That's a 12 to 15 foot cut in that area. And then that's gonna transition and get less than the 12 to 15 foot cut and come down in grade. And then there's less of a cut back here in the cul-de-sac because it starts meeting the existing grades. So I would say you probably start, you're probably over the five foot, five foot cut elevation in this general area up through, and then it starts to match up in this area.

But you're going to keep material on site for the most part. You don't know how long, right?

Not sure. I didn't really do a whole entire calculation. If you do, you'll have to go to CPA and access. All right.

So... The only thing, because if we lose the grade in the middle, we're going to have to start drawing things that no one else can see, but at least don't draw it for a parent to draw. Right, so if that's existing and this is proposed, right, so essentially what's happening, they're cutting it. what you would be concerned with is the the rest of the topography is that's not being cut is still doing something like above right so then you get into the cross section which would be like that but say you took a cross section like this through the earth so the road is now here where the existing topography is this yeah so you've got the road here where the existing topography was like this It's what happens from here to here. That's the concern. And the only thing I would offer there is to not exceed a three-to-one slope in the right of way. Yes. Which you most likely do. Yeah, I understand.

So, understood. Yeah. So, as this plan is shown, I set this and graded off the edges of the road to stay within our possum. So, that's all done, basically. I'm close. It'll work. Yeah, as long as... So...

elevation here to this elevation here when you go from the road to the lot, which is this point to this point. So as long as that's three to one or greater, fine if it exceeds that that's when it's just like that's going to be a no-go it's not going to ever it's going to erode it's not going to hold grass but as long as that is satisfied this particular thing is and the earth removal we're not we're not talking we don't need an earth removal we were right if they go all the way. That's what was just mentioned. That's the other waiver that might come up from this, but it seems that everyone's aware of that, and we can cross that bridge when we come to it, and that would be just, again, that's kind of more administrative. But yeah, so as long as this distance here doesn't seem to be at one, which it doesn't seem like on the plans, and even if it did, they could go back and tweak it. I'm not particularly concerned about it, but that's one engineer.

That's why I asked Mike if he felt comfortable with what we were looking at.

yeah yeah i'm just conscious like there's still a lot more information that's coming i appreciate you know the frugalness and not wanting to put the money in if if it isn't there but you know there is more information we're looking for on erosion that i think is widespread across the board um so just be prepared that those elements will be coming up and need to be addressed when you're looking to remove that much fill

Right. That's fine, right? Sure. And, you know, Jay hit the nail on the head, right? We're looking to make sure that the road, or excuse me, the sloping away isn't more than the three to one slope, you know. So that we're aware of. What we don't want to have to do is, again, invest in all this and then say, geez, I'm not really comfortable with that cut, you know, exceeding the five to one. So that's really the only thing that we're concerned about is those three items, as long as we have, we know, okay, that's the rules for the definitive. then that's fine. We know all that other stuff that's going to have to go in the plan. The landscaping, the grading, all that stuff. The grade of the road front to back. We understand all of that stuff. It's just those three points that we can then design around. We don't want to design around that and then have the board change their mind on those three points. That's the only problem.

And as you design, if you run into a serious hiccup, you're going to come back to us, I'm sure, or anyways, and say, what are your thoughts? I think once you get into it a little bit deeper, you're going to see. It's worth doing or it's not worth doing. That's your call.

That's my point is, you know, there's more information that's coming in. At this point in time, I'm fine with it. But based off of that more information that comes in, how it's being addressed, you know, we'll see it at that point. To Amy's point, you know, this isn't a binding decision. More information is coming. We'll make the decision then.

And that's why we defer to Mike and Peter. Yeah, absolutely. Those guys review everything for us as well, too, because we don't know it all.

So all in favor of approving the preliminary subdivision with the three waivers as said? Do I hear a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Sweet, so we're just looking to close the public hearing.

Thank you all very much. Thank you. Have a nice night. Gentlemen, thank you. I like that it's an agenda. You get there in daylight, leave at daylight. We always like gardening. Thank you.

Thanks for your time. Thank you. I have one piece of agenda I was going to bring up and I wasn't sure if everybody would be privy to. We don't have a lot on the agenda for the next meeting, so I was going to say we pump our next meeting until August 10th.

So the next meeting is scheduled for July 27th. There was one scheduled hearing for Main Street on it, and then the next meeting after that is August 10th. So...

mean if everybody's i mean we'll come in for a short period of time i just think we make a motion to um have our next meeting on august 10th yes okay i will not be here i'm due in orlando uh to see the mouse okay All right. But everybody else is good?

I believe I have dinner.

Yeah, we'll make sure Will's here. Yeah, as of right now, it'll work for me.

August 10th. August 10th?

Okay.

That works for you, Amy? Yes. Mike?

Yeah.

Okay. Anybody else have any comments, questions?

No?

Make a motion to adjourn. Second. All in favor?

Aye. Thank you.