Planning Board - Regular Meeting

He was pulling a chair up downstairs. Sure. You want that one? At least it's only night one, right? when you are ready. Okay. Recording in progress.

Uh good evening everybody. Welcome to the Franklin Planum board. This is the April 6th, 2026 meeting. Meeting is audio and video recorded. Uh it's also on Zoom. Zoom caller number is 312-6266799 with a meeting number of 847147 05664. Uh before we get into the public hearings, I'll take care of some general business. You said the time. Sorry, you said the time. I believe so. It's 7. Yes. 7 p.m. Okay.

We'll go to general business first. Amy, our first item of business would be 81 ANR for 15 rolling ridge. If I could go to Amy at department, please.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, they suspended an 81P. It's um plan of land for 37 Hilltop Road and 15 Rolling Ridge Road. U portion of the 37 Hilltop Road is being conveyed to 15 Rolling Ridge Road. Um, does perform the zoning. It's just a small portion of two backyards that they are to over to 15.

Okay. Um anybody comments or questions? Anybody in the audience? No. Um okay. So make a motion to approve the 81 uh ANR for 15 Rand Ridge. Do I hear a second? Second. All in favor? I I Okay, I second it business for general business. This would be another 81P and ANR for 20 Veterans Memorial Drive. If I could go to Amy, please. Department of Pl.

Yeah. So, this is um it's part of eaten place. Um since the road was never extended until recently, the extended the roadway up for the next project which is known as Franklin Ridge. Um they've always had the roadway as part of their lot. They want to pull that roadway off and I believe the town's going to be accepting the whole entire roadway um after Franklin Bridge is built. So they're just trying to break off that portion of the roadway and have their own separate lot.

Anybody have any comments or questions? I just I was on the zoning board when this came through and I think this was all part of that bigger plan that this was going to happen. So glad to see we're here. Hopefully they're moving forward on that project finally. That' be great. So which which lot line is being relocated? All right. So that's one being. Okay. I wasn't quite sure. So we're gonna take that as any road.

Okay. Okay. So it's just cleaning up some of the lines that Okay. Um anybody in the audience comments questions? Okay. So I'll make a motion to approve the 81 uh P the for 20 Veterans Memorial Drive. Second. Second. All in favor? I I before we get going, 70 Daniel Street, um Gorilla Estates private subdivision. Do we continue? Just in case anybody's here for it, continue. Um date April 23rd. April 23rd.

27th. The agenda says 27th is our next meeting. Yeah. Oh, it is. Okay. April 27th. Oh, you're right. Because the 20th is a holiday. 27th. Thank you. So, make a motion to continue Gillow Estates till April 27th. Do I hear a second? Second. All in favor? I I And then our next item of business, this would be obviously another continuation for 47 Partridge Street, Dunovan Estates, uh definitive subdivision. Uh they you think they're April 27th still, Amy?

Yeah, I know that um they are still working through conservation. So that's basically what the holdup is right now. Um so hopefully by then um they can have some if not they can give us an update. Yes. Okay. So make a motion to continue 47 Street till April 27th. Do I hear a second? Second.

All in favor? Hi. Now, we'll go back to um this will be a new uh subdivision, uh 900 Washington Street, definitive subdivision plan. Um make a motion to wave the reading. I have a second. Second. All in favor?

I could go to Amy, please. Thank you. Um if you're here, you more than welcome to come up here. Um yes, so this is a um defend subdivision modification. This was approved um about two years ago for four lots. Um it was three house lots and at the time um it was also going to be the fourth lot was going to be a site for the church. They have since sold the lot. Um so I'm just A couple of comments is um correcting the plans to show the current owners because I believe it's been sold to new owners and be titled for a modification on the plans as well. Um they are here in front of us tonight mainly for a waiver to add an additional lot. The lot would include the drainage basin which requires a waiver. Our subdivision rules and rugs don't allow for the drainage basin to be on a lot. It has to be on a separate lot. The lot doesn't necessarily have to be buildable, but it has to be on a compatible lot to the subdivision. So, they're looking to add a buildable lot and include the drainage lot as well. Um, during the peritting phase of the subdivision, they were given a dead end extension given that it was going to be a religious organization. Um that's why they kind of put together the four lots. Now they're looking for the five lots um for this this modification.

All right. Good. Um if you could just introduce yourselves for record and um you want to give us an overview of the project if you don't mind.

Sure. Uh my name is Byron Andrews. I'm with Decree Engineering. Uh the subdivision was approved in uh 20 late 2021 or early 2022. There were three uh three residential lots and the fourth lot was intended for a synagogue. Um however uh the property has been sold uh the current owner is a developer and um with current construction costs and it's not really feasible for him to use that lot for religious use and it's not economically feasible with current uh construction costs uh to have four lots. So we're asking for uh waiver. So the this uh this subdivision would be under normal circumstances it would be simply in ANR because we're just moving lot lines, we're not extending the road, we're not changing the road, we're not changing the drainage on the road. Um but because the uh change of the lot line, which is uh the purpose of which is to create sufficient frontage to meet zoning uh is in the heart of the uh drainage area. We're asking for a waiver to allow um that part portion of the drainage to be on that lot. And I can show you an illustration of where it is if you'd like.

Sure. So if you have uh copies of the subdivision plan, I'm on sheet C5 and uh the line work you see on on the large copy in in yellow is the existing boundaries right now. So we have one, two, three residential lots. This area here was the lot for the temple and this here that goes entirely along the western side of the proposed way and wraps behind the lot was the drainage lot. So, what we're proposing is to separate the lot into two lots, one of which will be here with the green line being the new lot line separating them. It has 200 ft of frontage which meets the zoning requirement, has area for the zoning requirement and this would be new lot and it has the uh sufficient area and frontage for the zone. Um, and this area highlighted in pink is the area of the drainage uh infrastructure that would be within the new easement on that lot.

Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So is lot five if you were to take the you're saying the frontage doesn't conform if the the drainage ement portion was not a part of lot five. That's correct. Is there anything else creatively that can be done to get frontage for lot 5 that doesn't include the drainage basin?

Uh so there were two other op uh options that we investigated and um they seemed less feasible than what we're proposing. The first was a roadway extension uh which uh would require a waiver and is uh contrary to the general policy um used by the planning board. The uh other option would be to get a frontage waiver for that lot. But we deemed it the the the most straightforward approach was to just uh ask for a waiver for the for drainage easement on that lot. That um that means that uh the lots can otherwise conform to the zoning requirements. The roadway is the same. The paved area is the same. We don't have any more impermeable area than we would uh when than we would already have approved. Uh so we thought that was the best approach.

If these the waiver for the frontage was to be explored, what would be the actual frontage of the site if that's the case that you had to run down? Um let me take a look here. I didn't actually look into that question, but I can see case actually.

So the the frontage would only be 20 ft. And this might be for Amy through the chair. Um, does road frontage have to be on a contiguous parcel? Yes. So, I can't have lot five and then a break and then this is also lot five, but it's down here. No, it's got to be on one parcel. Okay. They need the 200 ft.

Okay. Yeah. I'm just I I just consistent with the stuff that we've done and we've approved that the drainage basin being on a liable or a lot that's improved by a private homeowner gets sticky. So that's that's my primary concern. I'd almost be more a, you know, more amendable to the 20 foot frontage uh waiver as opposed to going this route. But that's that's all I have for nothing.

I was asking I agree with Chris the frontage waiver is less concerning me from operational things. I'd rather have the drainage separate. What do you think as people who work for the town? Because it's not my problem, it's yours. Uh I personally, if it was me, I take the 20 foot frontage and I'd want the drainage property to be ours and not have to deal with the easement and any of that stuff. But you're the DPW guy. Okay.

The chair. So um so in the physical world, what they're proposing will be built the same way was already approved. So that's would access the same way, but it would be on as they mentioned a separate lot and the board did make that change not too long ago a few years ago the bylaws that it should be on a separate lot they used to be that way in the past usually not that big of a deal but sometimes it does become a sticky issue and kind of a pain so it is nice having property and there's no issue was trying to go on somebody else's property to actually access so that is good um and then so I mean really it's a decision up to the board but the board did make that change a few years ago for for a reason Um and whether or not you wanted to for basically they already had the extent for the long roadway they already exceeded 600 ft. Not by much they did that to accompate the proposed.

Yeah. So make that work they allow them to go longer but now they just reverting back just to another house lot and they're trying to get lot I believe. Um any frontage waiver would have to go through the ZBA. I don't think this board this board can't grant that frontage w through through ZBA to do so.

Mark I share I share the same concern if it's feasible to have 20 approximately there would be more than that drainage on private property and possibly set a precedent for future considerations.

Eric, no comments.

Will um I just had a couple quick questions. There was a list of waivers, but then there was a discrepancy of what waivers were to be looked for. So, if we can just figure out which ones those are. Um, and I I was on the board at the time when we approved this. Um, I know we gave you the extension because the church was all back in, you know, being good about it, trying to make sure that the church was taken care of. Um, it was always the three lots plus the church. I know they originally tried getting on the lot and their way back with the church and it just didn't seem to materialize. It didn't work out very well. I know they worked very hard to get the drainage to work in that area too because there's weapons. Um, so you got some got some issues with that. Um, I definitely don't want the um the lot to be with the drainage on the first lot. We've had problems in the past. We had a rain garden filled in on the subdivision. We We want these on the road lots specifically for access for the town for the future. Um people are putting fences up, cars in the way, etc., etc. That's specifically for the town and that's through our regulations. We unfortunately let that one fly and we'll be having six to 10 more coming in the same way. So, I want to keep it separate several further range. Um, I I did notice there was some cut and fills in there, too. You look for a waiver for cut and fills. Approximately, how many yards?

Um, we're actually not looking for any other waivers. Um, there there there was a a little bit of confusion because our plan is mislabeled. Um, the the plan shows waivers that were requested, but those were waivers that were granted. Okay. They were Yeah, they were from the original subdivision. Yeah, I just just I couldn't remember what was there, but I saw the um Yeah, we can't make that decision on the frontage that we have to go back to. Anyway,

um anybody in the audience any comments or questions? So, thoughts moving along to ZBA. Yeah, I mean I I'm a housing guy. I want to see the lot, but I'm just in the best interest, you know, the team DBW first, fortunately for everyone else. Um, and it just I I have the operational concerns for them. I have seen them more than one get jacked up or have like homeowner access issues even with legal documents like easements, as ridiculous as that sounds for civilized people.

Um, so I mean I'm in support. I would even offer my support to ZBN if that's like something we do but like I'm okay with the actual project. I just this one 20 ft of frontage doesn't I'm not sure what the how that matters in the end of a culdeac especially considering the actual topography and terrain around it. It just seems to be cleaner for the town. So unfortunately with that being interest number one and housing being interest number two that's kind of my recommendation. Okay. So make a motion.

Yeah. So, I was going to just kind of propose if that was an option that the applicant would want to pursue or the board takes a vote, yay or nay, and or they continue. I think I think I want to continue it and let them go to ZBA and then we'll get ZBA's feeling and then we can make our judgment off off of that. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, we'll just um make a motion just to continue it.

Just we've been talking. Just wanted to make sure you had an opportunity to No, I'm fine. Yeah. I I think Sorry about that. Yeah. I I would prefer that it's continued rather than that there's a vote uh for tonight. We'll consult with the zoning board and see if that might be an option. Okay. So, we want to make a motion to continue until I I I'm actually just sorry, I'm just looking up our um schedule because I'm thinking it's going to take you a couple months to get through ZBA. So, like it it wouldn't it wouldn't be the next meeting. So, let me um

the other the other thing might be is if if we go to the if we discuss it with the zoning board and for some reason we can't do it, we might be able to come back sooner. Maybe if we uh continue it for uh for a month and um we can follow up after we talk to the ZBA. We'll follow up with you.

Let me just find out. I'm trying to find my my working very well. I'm thinking like two months out at least come back with an update of some sort that time or We did two months out like something like May 11th for check in or June 1st.

Yeah, May 11th. May 11th would be that could just be a check-in or even if you have a closed date and you can give us a written notice that you want to be continued because we have a ZVA date coming up or something. Yeah. Yeah. We should have if we have um a ZBA meeting, we should at least have the date by then and know when uh when we'll be through with the process. Okay. Okay. Just just one one clarifying question if I may. Um there was a couple comments here about a church being on the site. I I I don't believe there's a church on the site, but a synagogue. Is that correct? It was a synagogue. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. I just wanted to make that distinction. Yeah. No problem. Okay. You weren't the only ones I just noticed. Uh, okay. So, I'll make a motion to continue 900 Washington Street defendive subdivision plan till May 11th. Do I hear a second? Second. All in favor? I. Thank you.

Thank you. Last item business. This will be a continuation for Symphony Drive, Tanglewood Estates 2 uh private two watt subdivision. If I could go to Amy for brief review, please.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um I I don't really have any further comments on this. Um I've recommended um four different conditions board were to take a vote as well as they have requested nine waivers. I want to note that Beta Steve is um on Zoom and Mike is here as well um to answer any comments. Um you guys can go through um recommended like the new roadways to remain quiet. Actually this is one of Mike's recommendations. There was a little bit lot two for the roof area um to show house design. The signature of the owner and operations maintenance man which actually came from V as well should be provided. A signed elicit discharge statement shall be provided prior to the start of construction. Um one thing I think I had missed the last meeting on this. There was talk about a fence wanting to put around the detention basin because of the slopes. So that might be an additional condition. Okay. Okay. So, if you just want to introduce yourself for the record before I go to the the board and other departments, please.

Yep. Good evening everyone. My name is Cameron Grade. I'm with Bay Colony Group. I've worked with Bill Buckley on this project and unfortunately couldn't be here tonight. So, as Amy was saying, since our last meeting, we met with Steve from Beta and Mike, the town engineer, to discuss any unresolved issues. we were able to resolve those issues and as a result we submitted a revised plan and with that revised plan they're able to do another review and we received a clear letter from each of them and with that we have nothing else to add. Okay, good. Thank you. Um before I go to the rest of the board, I'll go to Mike. Um Mike, if I could give you a brief review on this one.

Sure. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As uh as Cam mentioned, we did um after the last meeting, there were some a couple of last issues with the u the drains design. We did meet and reviewed it uh Steve myself and Cam and Bill and um and they provided the additional uh calculations that we're looking for. I won't speak to Steve but I believe everything's been satisfied with all that the calculations. I think everything else has been addressed. Okay. Okay. Good. Thank you. Steve just touch base to I think the comment about the fence around the strange base. I think that I think they was resolved in the fact that it was only about 2 ft deep. So a 10ear storm. So there wasn't necessarily a need for that. Okay.

Okay. Thank you, Mike. Steve, you there? I am here. Hi. Hi. Good evening, Steve. If you would give us a brief overview of what's what's left in the findings.

Sure. Absolutely. Um, you know, as as was said um from Cameron and Mike, um, we had a couple issues regarding storm water calculations and how things were modeled. Um I kind of gone through each of the items individually in the last meeting, but um all of our concerns and we also had the concerns about like construction phasing in when myself um Mike and um the Bay Colony, excuse me, uh all met. um it was productive and we were able to iron out um any any um items that we had. And yeah, so unless you'd like me to go into specific items, uh everything on in our original comments letter has been addressed.

No, you don't have to go through. I just there was just a couple points that um I know you had made note of. I believe they encapsulated all all issues if I'm not mistaken. Um, so I guess I'll go to the board next. Jay, go question. Yeah, I think we've uh put this one I don't want to say through the ring, but I think we put it through its iterations. That's a better term. I'm at a place where I'm comfortable with it. Thank you guys. I think the ement especially was something that uh was kind of cool for you to do. So, it's not even an ement, it's a parcel. Okay, Chris.

Uh, no, same as Jay. Appreciate the condition being included for the maintenance of the roadway uh in perpetuity. That was my big concern and I'm good there. Good. Mark, no. The only concern I was in it because I read the review was the concern about the groundwater breakout, but that's that's been resolved, you know. So, okay. So, that would be my main concern. So, thank you. Yeah. Just two questions. One was uh we did get some comments from the public that live in the area about the maintenance of the storm water basin. Um was that addressed at all in any sort of way?

Um so the road is going to be um private. So it's got to be part of the homeowners association the maintenance of um each being on each lot. Okay. Okay. So, is there something like codified in the homeowners association that they must maintain that equipment sufficient so that it doesn't cause any sort of impacts? I'm sorry. Yeah. So, that'll be written into um each of those parcels so that way it'll be maintained and um it'll be conveyed with the deeds that way any new homeowners will be aware of it.

Okay, great. My my last comment is just about the trail network there. I know there was thoughts about that. Um, and Jay in particular is highlighting the trails on the eastern side of the uh property, which is great to see that that was added. Um, and and I was I was commenting a little bit more off of the trail that's on Burkshere Road. Um, I know that, you know, it doesn't seem like what you're proposing now is maintaining that existing trail in any sort of fashion. I don't want to necessarily hold that up, but I just want to flag that. Um, it doesn't appear that that was taken care of. uh would would recommend to the extent that it's practical and possible for you to maintain that uh trailway on the western side of the lot to Birkshshire would be appreciated.

Good. All set. Okay. Will No, I um I took a walk on the eastern side of that uh where the conveyance is with my dog. Um, and I think even when the trail cuts in at like a 90 degree, I think that can be beaten into a more straight path to keep it off the off the lot if it needs to. Um, but otherwise everything else said,

excuse me. Um,

just one last thing um, regarding the last comment there in our in our letter. Um, uh SW26, we had made a comment about maintenance responsibilities for storm water. And in our in our response, we had said that the board may wish to consider having town council review the HOA when those documents are available um to ensure the protection of the storm water management system. So when the time comes for you to draft these orders, uh the not order of conditions out, right, the conditions of approval, it would be up to you whether or not you would want town council to review that.

Okay, good. Thank you, Steve. You're welcome. We didn't close this. No, no, no. That's why No, I think where we're at, like if the board would like to close and vote tonight, you can. Um probably going to say we'll close and get then we get everything just um squared away for the next meeting and vote on languages. Do you have any further comments um based on suggested conditions or comments on those? Um take the fence out. Yeah, I actually I didn't even list that one because that was kind of more of a horrible comment. Are they Are they finished with the concom? They finished with Are you Did you

So, we anticipate that we'll be able to close it um this upcoming meeting on Thursday. Okay. Yeah. So, they reviewed it and um they're going to be writing additional conditions into their permit, but none of them are for planning really. It's u types of grass and planting types out there. Okay. All right. All right. is what we'll do. Do you have comments to add to conditions tonight? Through the chair. I thought Steve's comment there. I really appreciated him highlighting the comment on town council review of the HOA and that would be appreciated to add as a condition.

That was also that was also I think conservation commission's recommendation. So, I'm comfortable what's left on the table. If everybody else is, um, I'll just say, let's just do this. Let's continue it and then, uh, the next meeting they'll, uh, close it and vote. We want to make sure we get squared away. I want to vote on something conservation commission. Everybody okay with that? They seem pretty close. Okay. So, make a motion to continue Tangle Wood uh definitive subdivision plan till April 27th.

Yes. Second. All in favor? Thank you. Thank you. the language.

Anybody have any general comments? General I can't believe this meeting went faster than we're not done yet. I I just acknowledge the Artemis out there right now. It's pretty amazing stuff that they're on the other side of the world and seeing the Earth rise right now. So, make sure everybody has a chance to see that uh tonight when they come back uh in in communication with Earth. You ready? There's only a few of us around that seen it when they originally went on the moon. Oh, my father started building the landing gear for the moon. I just have one or

I just have one quick question for Amy. Um I know we spoke of this for probably a month or two. Uh an update on the uh bond. Have we seen anything yet? There is a bond in place. Yeah, but we asked for an updated one. Okay. So, actually, the developer was actually in the office today getting um some of um some permits and he's going to be in here in a few months giving this board an update. They're looking at starting late summer on all the road improvements. And that's, you know, we'll have we'll have Beta out there. Beta's been out there out there to view it

places pretty much this right still, right? There's people moving in. Give them the opportunity, right? So they they know um late summer and give us an update. Why don't they just start the work? They're trying to sell the houses. The drainage, you know, there's no silt sacks in the drainage basins. There's nothing. There's no sidewalks. I can I mean I can ask Beta to go back out. Well, it's going to start getting a little yanky here. Well, yank the bond that the So, they they have all their houses like we we we can't we we aren't holding any lots back. So, that's typically we hold the lots until the bond is put down and then the lots gets released. So, lots

the release on the first few, but we there were they were a site plan and special permit. So there was no really lot has a subdivision works. So um we have just like bonded on the road work. The bond the road is bonded for $336,000. So if all their site work is done and they're not doing the road, what's the terms of the bond of the road? They have to they have to get it done. What what's the terms of the bond of the road? Have they exceeded their completion date? We pulled the bond. Yeah. You have you have you pulled it? Have they exceeded their completion date? That's what I'm getting. as long as a bond remains in place.

Yeah. So, if I can I think last time this came up, we had a small discussion with the town attorney about it also or is a subdivision. So, the laws were all released when they set up the bond bond in place and we really don't have recourse on that. I mean, just like any other subdivision, if he just walked away, he loses the bond, but he has enough money in the bond to cover the work that needs to be done. So, he's I don't think he's going to be walking away. I've had a discussion with them, too. And he's going to he's going to be, you know, he still knows he has a lot of work to remaining to go. His his plan of attack was not to do the sidewalks as as he was building the houses because he didn't want to get destroyed. Um and then again talking to town attorney about the best recourse moving forward. Um kind of comfortable where things are the binder code that's that's there. There are a lot of utility patches in it, a lot of cuts that went into it. So he's going to need to address that somehow moving forward. But as far as pulling the ball, we really don't believe to pull the ball because

we don't want the road. You don't you don't say, "Hey, you're like what's the As long as the bond remains in place, um they can I mean, we had we had a bond up on September Drive in Country 15. This I know of a bond that's out there that was put in place before I started working here." So, so I just remember those bonds last

$336,000 bond will not be touched until he gets as much done with the road. He's got to finish that road. If there's anything I'm sure. But but that's we can reassess it. We can reassess it. When if he comes in and says, "I want a partial release. I've done this as this." Beta will go out there, reassess what the costs are to finish this roadway and say this is only what you should give them. How long do we bond these guys for? Generally bonds have expiration dates. So my fear is that one of them runs out. No, different types of bonds we sell. expiration date. It's a tripart. Okay.

So, the the most Yeah, that was the most important thing that we want to make sure there's enough money in the bond when this thing this thing's been going on for how many years already, right?

You know, they just started building, but this one got kicked down the street for eight years, 10 years. We just want to make sure that there's enough money in the bond to finish when time comes. And if they were to come in to ask for a bond release because they did some extra work, we would have re-evaluate the value of the bond and we might say no, we actually need to contribute more to raise the bond up based on what's remaining left. So we'll evaluate or they will evalate, we'll work with them when the time comes that they get to a point where they want a bond like a posture release. We'll evaluate how much they can get back based on the amount of work left. And just to be fair to other developers, other developers have come in with sidewalks, grass strips, curbings in at this phase. It's a safety issue, too. So now, if you get kids moving in that house and they get hurt.

Yeah, that's you know, that's where I'm a little I'm a little leery with that. Um, he's far enough along that he can do some of this work. A lot of times that those things are in place before they released the lots in the first place. So, in this case, the lots were already released, so there's really no going back to them in this case. So, can can we push them a little bit? You know, you got people moving in. You got it's in a pretty rough stage still. The safety of It was way before me when they put that whole roadway in and Yeah, I know. I just I'm just saying if someone gets hurt up there, you know,

it's going to be on our face. We're not pushing them to at least get something for those houses that are built right now. There's no reason why you can't do that strip all the way to the center of the culdeac at least. Clean it all up. Get the curbing in. Get the sidewalks in. Get some street lighting in. I mean, yeah, there are some limited what we can do to do that. Yeah, I know. But in good faith. We are limited talking to town attorney. But in But in good faith is what I'm plus he'll sell more if he cleans it up to boot. I know, you know. So, do you inspect a a binder on all these before they get paved and if they don't you make them rip it up and put new binder down.

Beta is doing the vast majority of all the construction inspection because of that. I mean I'll take drive to I'll be up to date and I stay in the loop someone some entity that is you know not might but the town

um so I guess I'm still kind of if we could explore putting some sort of performance term on these things even if it is wide as is sometimes needed in the residential development world. I think it might be beneficial because I think the inflationary aspect of things is very concerning to me in the construction world. Like we're facing inflationary costs about like 10% a year. So as Greg said that, you know, you talk about increasing the bond, but that also is relying on that developer coming back. The developer could boot,

right? So that and at a certain point it is financially advantageous for these guys to walk and that's why they do it. Um and I mean I I paved a few with you when I was here that were developers and we was like wow we have 30 grand to pave this road and it just cost us 90. Right. So there's that aspect of it that I'm uncomfortable with. And then just also the degradation of the actual material like and then this like you go you go over it's like look this binder's been exposed to the sun for five years. That's all the binder's for. This thing really you need to be like sealing this now.

You're going to get to the point where you like fog seal this or something before you pave over it because that's really what you should be doing. You're not going to do that and then you're gonna be like in a, you know, an argument with the developer over the fact that there's not enough asphalt in their almost people moving in. They're there every single day building these houses and they're Yeah. But unfortunately, they come up and they give us Yeah. And well, then the town owns it. Is is it really like the the my overall concern is just like the cost of the

of eventually the town owning that road either being from having to take the bond to do the work or just having to deal with the road being of subpar construction and failing after 15 years or something like that. So it's to explore ways that we could potentially put a a bit of a clamp on that would be kind of cool. Obviously September went on I was thinking that was even before me too. 12 years. I mean, maybe we just put a duration of time on it like 5 year. Exactly. After 5 years, you must have x like x number of footage done frontage something like just if there's a way to legally do that. Yeah. Exactly. Like I'm just I'm throwing stuff against the wall. Explore it, you know, just kind of

because if we end up, you know, say say he say he walks and and he he won't because he's he's a local builder out built a lot, but I also want to make sure it gets done correctly. I want to make sure the people up there are safe. And that's what I'm I'm somebody moves in there with little kids, you know, no sight lighting, no sidewalks, no, you know, nothing for them to trip on the front yard or whatever. That's all. It's more of a safety aspect. I can talk further with our town attorney. Yeah, just guys agree. Try to tighten them up a little bit, you know,

we don't have them lingering. Exactly. Asphalt's got so expensive. Well, the asphalt's upgrade now too big time. Well, you point asphalt was 50 bucks a ton when I started here and that was a long time. Um, but now it's like 120 or 110 double. So, if you're facing costs like that, that's my concern. Yeah. You're is there enough in the till to cover up? So, that was over you know 13 years it's doubled. So if a subdivision goes 10 years, you're talking about that bond being half value after 10 years or using current, you know, we have some pretty crazy inflation there for a while.

Okay. So um everybody else good motion second. All in favor? Thank you everybody. Yeah. Thanks everyone. Thank you.