Plan Commission - Regular Meeting

January, excuse me, January July 15, 2025, City of Franklin Planning Commission. Yes. City of Planning Commission meeting called to order. Roll call, please. [Music] Vera Halum here. Bill Carson here. Michael Spo. Suzanne Finley here. John Kempky here. Irene Nally here. Michelle Stringer here. Matt McElroy here. And Norm Gayart here. You have a forum. Thank you. Will you join us in the pledge of allegiance, please? I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Do we have any motions or amendments, deletions, or corrections to the minutes for June 17, 2025 on the approval for the minutes? Mr. Mr. Chairman, I reviewed them and I there was a change to effect from a effect to effect and I think Joanna beat me to it and caught it. So I think she made that in changed in the official minutes that are going to be handed to you for signature. Would anybody like to review those minutes that's been amended by the Is it any different than what we've received? No, just changing the word affect on page two. Any uh any other discussion regarding a new or do we have a motion to approve as presented? Move to approve. Second. We have a motion and second. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. I.

Those opposed same sign. Passes unanimously. Swearing in. We have public hearings tonight. So, thank you sir. All those persons who are addressing the board tonight, please stand and raise your right hand. Would you solemnly swear affirm any testimony give tonight be the truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth you got? Thank you, gentlemen. Yes, we didn't put a whoopy cushion on anybody's chair. I would too. Next on the agenda. Mhm. Yeah. Report of officers and committees. Technical review committee report June 19th, 2025. Joanna, would you help us on this, please? Sure. Technical review committee met on June 19th. There were three items on the agenda. The first item was for the Wawwa subdivision and site improvements. Uh this property is located at the northeast corner of Earlywood Drive in US 31. They are currently going through the review process. Um, we're pending resubmittable for our review and order to move forward. The second item was a site development plan review for Patriot Defense. They are currently located at 2011 Earlywood Drive. They're proposing to construct an additional building south of their main building and it will be uh for maintenance purposes. Then the third item was for the Franklin Community High School outdoor projects property is located at 2600 Cumberland Drive. The uh school corporation is looking at creating a new band practice field um an agricultural building for um the A students and some outdoor area for them. an accessory structure for the theater

and then some additional structures for um soccer and baseball which would have restrooms um and locker rooms and such. And then also they will be providing turf on the fields that are currently grass. So that is also been resubmitted for our review and is pending um approval for construction. That's all. Thank you, Joanna. Does anyone have any questions or comments for Joanna regarding tech review committee report? If not, we'll move on to the next item. His old business is being continued to tonight, which be PC 2515, PC 2516, unbogger land annexation and resoning. Would the petitioner please come forward and tell us about your project? Good evening. For the record, Eric Prime, Van Vaylor Law Firm, Greenwood on behalf of the petitioner, Arbor Holmes. With me this evening is Tony Bagato and uh Dominic Drier from Arbor, as well as Joe Hec from Projects Plus, who are the engineers on the project. Um what we're here about this evening are uh two things. I have two jobs in front of you tonight. Uh one is to discuss the annexation of this ground because it is currently in the county. Uh even though it is on the west side of 65 and immediately south of Umbar of the uh of the armory. Um and then my second job after the annexation is to discuss the reszoning of the ground if you choose to bring it into the city. Uh it's a a total of 130 acres. Joanna, can we grab the vicinity map real quick? There we go. So, the the blue outline is the area that we're discussing. If you're familiar with this area, um down Umbar

Lane uh to County Road 75 is uh would be the west Umbar would be the west boundary and county road 75 south would be the south boundary. Uh the highway is the east boundary and the armory is the north boundary. Um so all told that's 130 acres. But as you can see, there's a substantial portion about uh 53 acres of the 130 that is all in woods and a pond and wetlands. And so while we are asking to bring that in because it is currently all one parcel, uh that will not be part of this development that we're proposing and will be zoned separately as agg. Um and that's the request. So, uh, 53 acres in a to the north, 77 acres remaining to the south that is available for, uh, development. We're asking that that be, uh, brought in as, uh, RS3 with substantial commitments. Um, those commitments include, uh, that 49% of the lots that are to be developed will have to be uh, comply with RS2 uh, sizing uh, but will be interspersed. Jonah, can we hit the uh, concept plan real quick? uh they will be interspersed uh in the development as opposed to having a RS2 section and an RS3 section uh that are separate and distinct. These will all be in together. So the the pink lots uh there will be 106 of those I'm sorry I had that reversed. The yellow lots there will be 106 of those. Those are the larger RS2 size lots and then the pink lots will be uh at 110 uh units will be u the slightly smaller size. Um and so um but as I said we have uh I have two jobs tonight. One is to talk to you about the annexation of this ground. Um it is a voluntary annexation meaning that the land owners are consenting uh to the annexation. And that's obviously the first big thing you need to have is

landowner consent. We've got that. Secondly, uh there has to be uh sufficient contiguity with existing uh city limits in order to bring the piece in. The minimum uh contiguous uh area is 12.5%. We actually have 38.5. So we're well above the minimum requirement for contiguity. Um and so I I from the annexation perspective, I think this is pretty easy. It's a piece of ground that's on the west side of the highway. It's surrounded at least north and and west by existing city limits. Um it just seems like a a odd spot to have a piece of the county uh and makes sense to bring it into the city. Uh and then this also is in the need fire protection district. So, uh, it noted in your staff report is that, uh, as part of that, we were required to go to them and ask to be removed from that fire district so that Franklin Fire Department could have, uh, jurisdiction. They did, uh, pass a resolution uh, to uh, remove it. There's one final step for that that we haven't done yet, which is to go to the commissioners and have them ratify the resolution, but that's kind of a rubber stamp as I understand it, as long as the fire protection district was good with it, which they were. Um, we've uh crossed that item off the to-do list. Uh, so in terms of the annexation, uh, are we going to have separate votes this evening or one vote on both? There'll be three separate votes at the end. There will be separate votes, but if you'd like in the matter of efficiency and given what we have here, if you want to make the presentation for all, but we will separate out the votes if that's okay with you. Sir, that's fine by me. Um I did just want to note that in the staff report staff was recommending uh a favorable recommendation on the annexation. So moving on uh to the reszone. Um I have to bore you unfortunately with the statutory criteria. Um but I promise

to make this as painless as possible. There are certain statutory criteria that all of you must consider in determining whether or not a piece of property is is worthy and subject to a reasonzoning. The first is whe paying uh reasonable regard to the comprehensive plan. That's item number one. Uh we have done that. This fits within your comprehensive plan. You note on this uh slide in front of you that the staff's findings are listed here as well. Um, so obviously it goes without saying that we believe we meet all these statutory criteria, but I wanted you to see uh what the staff's findings were uh as well, just so you're fully informed. Um, and and staff agreed with our uh our position that that uh the comprehensive plan uh was was uh being complied with. So the the second uh statutory criteria is current conditions and character of the current structures and uses in the district. Uh again, staff found that it was single family residential development would be a good use for this ground. Uh particularly with the larger lots that we're providing uh that will be move up homes. Uh and they note that as the inventory of move up homes is is limited in the city, uh it's common for those homes to not be on the market very long, uh and that more inventory of that type of home would be desirable and that this would be a good location for that. The third statutory criteria is that that this is the most desirable use for the land in which each district is adapted. Uh again, staff's position was that since the homesteads at Hillview was completed in 2017, almost all of your development has been west of US 31 uh residential development. And so, uh, this is an area that is is in need of some new development and fits in again with the comprehensive plan and with the, uh, the area closer to the I65 corridor will be beneficial to the city

to have some additional housing out here. Um, the fourth criteria is property values. conservation of property values throughout the city uh throughout the planning jurisdiction. um based upon the price points of these homes uh and the types of homes and size of lots that are going in uh it's staff's opinion and our opinion that if anything this will help raise uh the values of the neighboring properties and then finally uh responsible growth and development staff's finding is that as long as it's uh the RS3 with commitments uh then uh they are happy with uh this being responsible growth because it is a mix of firsttime move up homes and some nextstep homes as well. Um, so, uh, we believe it complies and and staff did as well. And then I'm not going to go through all of these with you, but there are five pages of commitments. These are written commitments that will run with the land that we will be responsible for adhering to. um staff I will just tell you worked really diligently uh Alex and Joanna on helping us work through these and getting them into a format that was acceptable uh to them on behalf of the city. Um and so I can tell you these are extensive uh and uh are are very detailed in terms of and of course they're going to be the ones that have to um enforce these and figure out whether or not uh we're complying with them. So, they wanted to make them as understandable and workable as possible, but yet still um be uh enforce things to a level that they were satisfied with. And I think we're there. Um staff is supportive of both of the reasonzoning as well as long as these commitments are part of the of the resoning. And we are willing to to have that be the case. I just wanted to point out a few things in here. The fourth item on the commitments talks about a trail system, an asphalt trail. uh will uh be provided as an

extension of the Franklin Greenways Trail and connect to the internal sidewalk system. That will include along Umbar Trail connecting uh the existing sidewalk near the south property line of the Armory and bringing it down to 75 South and then also along 75 South. There will also be proposed amenities, four different distinct uh green spaces, two playgrounds, two pocket parks within the the subdivision for the use of the uh of the folks that live there. Uh so uh a decent amount of green space. Uh there will be minimum lot widths uh and a commitment to at least 49% of the home sites being the larger uh home sizes that we or home lot sizes that we discussed. Um, and then the Silverthorn homes, which are the the more upscale homes that we're talking about putting in there, have to be at least 45% of the whole subdivision. And the reason for that slight difference in the numbers is there are some Arbor plans that can be moved up to Silverthorn level as far as extra finishes and and extra um design elements. And then uh there is a lengthy section uh starting with item 14 going into item 15 regarding exterior finish materials, exterior colors. I'm not going to bore you with all those, but again it shows you the depth of staff went to to make sure that this uh that that the homes in this uh area would be acceptable to the city standards. Uh so there as I said there um we have a total with subp parts of 18 separate commitments uh that will be uh entered into here this evening. So that's the uh statutory criteria. That's the commitments. Uh and we would uh if you want to show Joanna let's hit the uh the elevations real quick. Yeah. Just

this is just uh these are examples. Um, we don't have nice color pictures of every elevation that we have. So, there I think is one of these in this whole series that maybe would not fit with our commitments, but be that as it may, these are examples, but we will certainly comply with commitments. Um, but these are the Arbor homes. These are traditional single family homes. Uh, 1,200 to 3200 square ft. plenty of options for the buyer, uh, including sun rooms, flex spaces, thirdcar garages. Arbor's been, uh, building locally for over 30 years. Uh, we can hit the next one. These are still Arbor homes, but just other examples of what within that series, uh, they might look like. And these are the smaller lots, um, that we are talking about, the the more first time move up. Uh, and these probably will be the mid to upper 300s. And then Silverthorn is the the more exclusive line. Uh these are also traditional single family homes, but larger square footage 1,800 to 3200. A lot of customization, personalization uh available in these. And uh if you hit one more, we've got some samples of those. These would be on the larger lots uh and probably run mid 400s. And that's it. Thank you very much. Councelor, uh the city has in the past with these sub with subdivisions been concerned about monotony or anti anti- monotony. Could you address for the the uh board what steps were taken? Uh anti- monotony being not the same house next to each other, next to each other, next to the other. And that's been a theme from prior planning commissions. Could you address how that was? Be happy to. that was addressed in the there's actually Janna, can you throw that up real quick? It's um it's on the

second to last page, I think. Oh, there you go. Perfect. Item 17 uh deals with anti- monotony. Again, we worked uh in great detail with staff on figuring out how this was going to work because of course they've got to enforce this. So, it's got to be a workable scenario for them. um what we have are a substantial number of elevations or rather floor plans but within each floor plan there are multiple elevations. So the way we're going to handle that is it's a it's a three out of five scenario. So you can have the same floor plan next to each other but not the same elevation on either side or across the street. So if if you're driving down the street, you're not going to be able to none of these are going to look exactly the same next to each other or across the street from each other. And there there are enough combinations even with the commitments. So obviously the commitments are a little more stringent than in some municipalities that we develop in and and so it knocked out a few of our elevations. Um, and that's fine. But even with that, we think we've worked around this with staff to be able to to have an enforceable anti- monotony. Mr. Chair, may I make um just a comment from legal standpoint since we have some new members. Um we we have the luxury of having new members to our plan commission and and um there were two things that were mentioned um that are not something we norm that we see routinely. The first one is the uh needm fire district. Um we have oftentimes when we're annexing property they may be outside the jurisdiction of the city of Franklin fire department but they'll be in a district fire department and needm is where this one is. Um, as you're all aware, governments budget a year in advance for the next following year. So,

the the uh legislature put in effect that if you're going to annex property um into your municipality, the annexation does not become effective for at least one year after the January immediately after your annexation. So, in this particular case, it wouldn't be effective until January of 2027. Um there is a provision however uh and the and the idea is that if need is already budgeted this land being on their tax base and we pull it away will that adversely affect them. So there is a provision in the law that says if you go however to the district and they are okay with taking it out of their tax base and they wave the I mean they wave that year requirement then it can be done immediately and NEM has in the past frankly been willing to go ahead and wave it because they're not basing their budget decisions. So that's the first thing. The second thing I would remind us that um our job as a commission is to make recommendations um on both the annexation and on the resoning. Um obviously the uh city council makes the ultimate decision, but they want your input on on what you think about it. So that's why our vote tonight will be to either recommend approval of the annexation, recommend to make no recommendation, or to recommend denial of the annexation. same thing on the um city council. So, there will be another step beyond this, but just wanted to remind those of you who've been on the board for 40 years already knew that, but we have some we have some new ones and I just wanted to maybe put That's amazing. You've been on here since you were five. Yeah. You're welcome. But those are those are what we are being addressing here tonight for the new for our new members. Thank you, Lyn. Thank you. Thanks, Lyn. We have any questions from the commission to petitioner? Yes. May I uh I want to go back. You say on

the yellow there is 106. Is that correct? Yes. And then on the pink there are 110. Yeah. It's in the tiny little box at the top right there. But I I am not going to be able to read that from here. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, I wrote it down, but I didn't Yeah, I didn't see that. Okay. Um the uh just a um question in relationship to um how you're going to do elevations and and that thing from a marketing uh standpoint when you're marketing, how are you going to choose your individuals that are going to build? Are are you putting it in a package so that you know that this is available and this is what you want to do and that's what you're going to market or are you going to what are you going to do? Now, are you talking about outside builders because Arbor will be the sole builder in here? Yes, I understand they're going to be. But then what is the plan on how to make the elevations and everything work in in your plan so that you know who you're selling to and they know what they're buying and right? So that'll be up to our sales team and we have to give them the information that we are agreeing to this evening on how the anti- monotony works. And so they will know if they've already sold this floor plan with this elevation on lot 10, they can't do it again. Yeah, that's exactly how that works. And then staff when they pull the building permit will review it. And that's that's why they're referencing it has to be workable for the staff to be able to monitor the Yep. They'll double check us. they won't let us get away with it. Okay. So, the way that we handle that on our end, when the building permit comes in um and Alex reviews it for the planning review, he'll pull up the recorded plat and then as permits are issued, he'll put on what the model name and elevation. So that way as

additional permits come in, either he or I or any other staff um depending on who's working can pull up that plat and still be able to review incoming permits. Um and then it just allows us to checks and balances on what was and thank you. And another question, will this just be open totally uh with your signs up with uh loss for sale or is it one section that you're starting? Are you going to phase this? Yeah. So, yeah. And they reach a point where by fire code they have to have once they get so many home sites they have to have the second entrance or the second ingress egress. So that would come in on on 75. Yeah. So we would try to do one section that had both. Have you guys actually done this before where you've mixed Silverthorn in with Arbor in the same subdivision? Tony, could you go to the microphone, please? Sorry. Tony Bato, director of entitlements. Uh we have not done it like this where they're on the same block kind of next to each other like that. This is our first time of trying this, right? And so and from a marketing side, we're discussing we may have to just market it all as Silverthorn so there's no confusion, but then they'll know which homes go on the the larger plans won't fit on the smaller ones. So we'll just have to say depending on which lot you pick, these are the homes that are available. But we may end up calling them all Silverthorn just to make it easier, right? from a marketing side for for example in Franklin um most

people don't realize that in Franklin Lakes there's actually two different um standards of homes that were built in there a number of years ago we used to have a 2020 option that 20% of the lots could be 20% smaller than what the minimum standards were which then allowed for that inner mixing of um size of homes um cost of homes, but if you've noticed, if you go into Franklin Lakes, it's almost impossible to tell which is on which. So, that was our thinking as staff of we need more of that in Franklin, and this uh lent itself as a great opportunity to be able to do that again. Yeah. No, it's a good plan. I like it. Well, I have another question. Excuse me. Another question. Um when all this is coming about and all when a person comes in um they all sort of know what's going to be beside them or what is available or how is their sections going to look when when they build there? Well, they might. It depends on how if they're the first one on the block, right? Then then they may have free reign to pick whatever they want to pick. And of course, Arbor has a design center, so folks can go and pick out all their finishes and carpet and and you know, countertops and all of that jazz. Um, and that's where they'll work with sales staff to talk about what what floor plans are in use nearby, which which ones are available and have those discussions. So, obviously, if you're the first one in, you can you get your choice. Take whatever you want. Did we address um curb appeal or anything? We don't. That's too early. What? What do you mean curb appeal? I mean, well, how it looks on the outside when somebody comes by and and that's what those elevations were, but but I Yeah. Okay. So, that's going to be part of the the package then.

So, if I could just go through some of the commitments and the conversation that staff has had back and forth with um legal counsel and Arbor themselves. Those were some of the considerations that we took in to effect. also um a lot of it also being with Umbar Lane and County Road 75 South are you know thorough affairs also but in this particular design those are going to be the rear of the homes. Um so if you noted in the commitments there is actually some commitments on breaking up the monotony of the back of the homes that are adjacent to those thoroughares. Um that way they have some projection some diversity. they're not just all, you know, flat on those back sides. Um, and then on the internal streets, that's where all of the requirements for the front elevations come into effect. And the point system is something new for us. Uh, we haven't done this in any of our other subdivisions. Um, which is why it kind of took us quite a bit of time to work through it because we want to make sure that we get it right. Um and Arbor was very helpful in providing us all the models and elevations they had. Um at the end of the day we looked at over 240 elevations of 18 models. Um based on these uh criteria um it appears that there's about 16 of the 18 models total that would be able to meet the standards and a little over a hundred different elevations. So there should be plenty of diversity to be able to meet the anti- monotony. Um that was another one of the discussions that we had at length was the anti- monotony um specifically because there are some homes in Arbor that are crossover to Silverthorn. So, we wanted to take that

into consideration um in order to provide diversity not only for the city, for Arbor, but also for the home buyers um because at the end of the day, that's what we're doing is creating the community for our new residents. Um we also took in consideration garages and the fact that we are one of the commitments was no detached structures, so no sheds. wanted to make sure that the structures themselves had enough interior area of that garage to actually serve kind of as a you know pseudo shed. So there, if you noted on um item 16, that's where the discussion was regarding garages and the potential of having a twoft addition on one side if there wasn't sufficient amount interior to the home. So, um I would like the plane commission to know that Arbor and their legal counsel um was very thorough and worked well with us. Um so I do appreciate all that and I think at the end of the day we should have a really good product. Well, I think y'all have done a great job in being specific and looking at all the details and um making it all in writing, black and white that can be seen and examined. You did a good job, all of you. And again, for our our new folks, um there the actual subdivision will be reviewed again when the plats come through. Um, but the reality of it is is when you are bringing a property into your if you're annexing it into the municipality, it can come in with a certain zoning and no commitments can be made and all they have to do is qualify for the minimum requirements of our zoning ordinance. So the I don't say trade-off, I say the working together sometimes is working

with a developer and saying, "Okay, we can maybe give it a little more density in exchange for higher level commitments that we wouldn't normally get if that they wouldn't." And the time to do that is when you do the resoning because then they become recorded commitments. And essentially these commitments are in addition to our regular requirements under our ordinance. So they're they're a little higher than what we would normally have in our just basic zoning. Um but the exchange of that is then to get the design that they need to be able to make it a feasible project. So that's kind of why we do it at this stage. But you will see them again uh assuming the city council determines that this is the direction they want to go. I'd like to also note that the commitments are written in a fashion that is not specific to a builder. um they are universally applied. So should something unfortunately go ary someone else come in and it's already annexed and reszoned these same commitments would apply for any future development. Good point because we've had that happen before. We have had that happen. May I ask you another question? Uh on this uh the RS3 uh that you have and you say the minimum is uh living space is 1,200 ft. That is that what you I think that's correct. It's so the RS3 is the is the more dense smaller lots but we're we we're doing the combo kind of a hybrid of RS2 and RS3 with the 1,200 ft be in the $300,000 range the Arbor plans. Yeah, they start at at that around that. Yeah. So there are smaller Silverthorn homes as well. So, I mean, if if you're not looking for a four-bedroom home, but you want to spend a little more money on your house, you

could get a smaller Silverthorn. So, it kind of there is a little crossover, which is why Joanna was wanting to make sure that um all of the standards made sense um across both lines. Thank you. Any other questions? I have a couple. I apologize for this. to staff. How many residential zoning classifications in single family dwelling? Do we have three? Um, no. R1, R2, have you five, six, seven, eight, nine? We don't have that. Yeah. Yeah, we have all that's in our zoning ordinance. We have She just pulled up our zoning ordinance because we've got residential, transitional, we've got RTN, so RS and all that. Those are all those are automatically in our those are our standard residential uh zoning districts. Okay. I'm sorry I can't see. So we have rule residential um which is obviously two acres, one acre if they're on sewer. We have residential suburban neighborhood which is mainly all of the um existing subdivisions in Franklin. RS1, RS2, and RS3, which are all uh residential suburban. Um, one being the largest lot size from 15,000 square feet down to RS3 being 7,200. Um, RTN is residential traditional neighborhood, which is typically downtown. Um then we also have RT1, RT2 and RT3 which are residential traditional um lot standards ranging from 9,000 square ft to 5,000 square ft. The difference between the RT and the RS is that there are additional architectural requirements on the placement of garage and porches that would apply to the

residential traditional um zoning districts. for the sake of this type of development and being outside the downtown area, there's about three that would look to be I mean more than that, but this type of development RS1 I would say six. Yeah. Okay. One, two, the bottom three, RT1 through three and R RS1 through three because that's just based on if your garages are in front. Okay. Or if they're set back. And the in that being said, I don't know of any other development out there, and I apologize because I'm not as familiar with Franklin as other communities, but in an interstate corridor, you're I wouldn't anticipate an R1. I personally wouldn't. Um, when you start looking at the scale of housing, I I personally believe this type of application of density fits well for an interstate corridor. when we start looking at those larger lots and those houses that are sitting in the midst, most people don't want to back up to an interstate. They want to be free from that perspective. So, when I look at zonings like this, I think they've committed to a reasonable based on the standards that we have on the lot widths and the size, I think they've blended and and put together a pretty good proposal on a blend that fits an interstate corridor. just in my opinion um based on what I've seen before in the transition you always have to have a transition in zoning to look and you have warehouses on one side of the interstate and you have that transition typically what I've seen before is high density apartments and those sort of things that transition with retail and so I this this appears to me far as a zoning classification is a pretty good thing the other part is architectural standards is there an ordinance per se in this but they've committed above

We do not have um a city of Franklin standard ordinance for architectural standards. Okay. Um so this would serve as architectural standards for this property. So in essence, if they come in with a zoning approval and the commission forward in the council said uh just a zoning classification, they've committed several standards way above our zoning classification period. Correct. and they met the criteria of square footage and then some. Um, so the 181 18 commitments I think. Yep. 18 with subsections. Is way above the standard of what the the city classifies in an ordinances per se? Correct. Okay. Are are there covenants with that go with this? They will have CCR CCRs like all subdivisions do. Um, that's something that Arbor takes care of before they turn it over to the the HOA that'll be formed just like any other subdivision works. But yes, they will have a a set of covenants that govern within uh within the U subdivision. But we also knocked out a few things in these commitments. You'll notice uh no above ground pools, no storage buildings or detached uh sheds or mini barns there. Those are all prohibited. Those will probably be reiterated in the CCRs as well, but they are also in the commitments. So, there will be an HOA fee for each one. Yes. And and we don't become a party to those because we don't want to be enforcing, right? We don't want an enforcement arm. So, but that's that's why what's really important to the city is put in the form of a zoning commitment as opposed to a covenant within their homeowner association. Right. Which to differentiate, that's what we're here about tonight. We're we're submitting the commitments that will you can enforce that are are the broader bigger picture thing and you're not going to be worried about somebody's trash cans or you know whatever.

I have one last question since you have the engineer and also the developer here. What would your anticipation on rideway on your interior roads be? 50 foot city. Okay. So based on that, and I respect the staff report and I know they work diligently to make sure it works, but what kind of length of driveways are we anticipating on these with 20 foot setbacks and then a 50-ft rideway, 33, 35 foot from the curb, give or take. Okay. That's just important variable that always bothers me or concerns me, but you've addressed that because the length of a car is approximately Oh, yes. 16 to 18 ft. And so I appreciate you working through that. Never thought about that. Good point. Does anyone have any other questions, comments, concerns? I wanted to ask too, I was looking over the paperwork and I seen where um you said that there would be stones and monuments that were saved upon the survey layout. Um, with that being said, um, with the woods, will you guys be keeping some of the trees or No, none of the trees. We're not touching the woods. That that actually will be a se separate The current owners of the whole piece are keeping that piece. Okay. I just wanted to get that out. Yeah. Arbor Arbor won't be doing anything up in the woods. Okay. Great. Thank you. It's pretty wet, so it's got it's got some restrictions. Um, history tells me if there's been farmland that has woods in it, it's not because they like the woods. It tells me they couldn't tells me they couldn't tells me they couldn't farm it. So, uh, it it has some limitations. It's going to require a little more detail to if you're going to do something there. Before we get to consideration for a motion, do we have any more questions, concerns, or thoughts regarding these petitions?

Note that regarding PC 2515 Hburger Lane annexation. Do we have a motion for favorable, unfavorable or no recommendation? I move to forward a favorable recommendation to the Franklin City Council. Do you want to make a staff report Joanna on the record or you feel comfortable? I feel comfortable. Okay. Thank you. I second. We have a motion and second. Carson and Halum. All those in figure favor signifies by I. I I. Those opposed, same sign. Passes unanimously. You need to do a staff report on the next year. So the second request would be uh PC 2516 for reszoning of the north 53 acres to agriculture. Staff would recommend that a favorable recommendation be forwarded to city council. I make a motion to approve. Make a motion. A second. Have a motion to second. All those in favor of the motion for a favorable recommendation of umboger lane reszoning residential suburban. I'm sorry that that was the agricultural part. That's the woods. That one was just the woods. So we're correct. The proposed is agricultural. We have a number on that one. Yeah. 25. It's the same. It's under PC 2516. Well, we refer to that as 16A. Okay. 16A. Okay. Um, all those in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Those opposed, same sign passes unanimously. Okay. Back to Umbarger Lane Reszoning to residential suburban RS3. Um, for PC 2516B. request is for reszoning the south 77 acres to RS3 with uh commitments. Staff would recommend that a favorable

recommendation be forwarded to city council to reszone the 77 acres to RS3 subject to the commitments as outlined in the attached Camry Hills zoning commitments dated July 9th, 2025. Don't be intimidated. You can simply say move to approve subject to staff recommendation. We have a motion. I have a Yes. I said I move that we accept this. Second. Second. With what Joan said. All those in favor signify by saying I please. I I. Those opposed. Same sign. Passes unanimously. Thank you. In speaking with legal counsel uh before the meeting. Um, we were discussing time frame and we are anticipating that introduction will be to council at the August 4th meeting with public hearing on the annexation, the fiscal plan and the reasonzoning on August 18th and then official action for September 2nd. So that is the preliminary schedule for those moving forward. Okay. Is there any new business? No new business. Any other business? Um, no. I did want to just share with everyone that um with Julie's retirement, we have hired a new administrative assistant. Um, her name is Rachel Thompson. She will be joining us on the 28th. So the August meeting, should we have one, will be her first meeting with plan commission. We're excited to have her on board. Rachel. Rachel. And that's all. Thank you for the update. You have emot.