Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

All right, everyone. I am taking over for the chair for the moment. So let's go ahead and stand up and do the pledge of allegiance because I like to do that. Ready. Begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Excellent. Okay. I'd like to go ahead and open up the study session this 08/27/2025. We will be conducting a study session.

The purpose of the study session is to learn about a topic, ask questions and provide general feedback to staff. No votes or actions will be taken at this time. This is not a public hearing, but if you would like to speak on a study session item, please limit comments to three minutes. So the only thing we have on the agenda here is the Memorial Care Orange Coast Medical Center. The Orange Coast Medical Center is proposing a three story parking structure with eight sixty two parking spaces for OCMC employees.

The proposed structure is located on the existing surface parking lot located at the Southwest corner of Talbert Avenue and Foster Street, west of the 9900 Talbert Avenue Medical Building. The structure will have a total of five parking levels consisting of a basement level with parking and storage, three stories above grade and rooftop parking. The structure will also include security gates, a bike rack, storage room, exterior stairs, lighting, landscaping and a third story pedestrian bridge over Foster Street connecting the parking structure to the west side of the hospital campus adjacent to the 9900 Talbert Avenue Medical Building. Can we please get a staff report?

Thank you, Vice Chair and members of the Planning Commission. Good evening. I included the picture over here for Orange Coast Medical Center. We're all familiar with its location at Talbert And Brookhurst. And the picture on the right is the patient care pavilion that was built in approximately 2006.

2009.

2009. Excuse me. And I was also going to say the chief operating officer for Memorial Care Orange Coast Medical Center, Emily Randall, is here. And Mark Shuck, the executive director for the facilities development operations for OC Memorial is also here tonight. So tonight's study session for Memorial Care Orange Coast Memorial Medical Center parking structure.

So the proposed structure is at a parking the existing surface parking lot at Foster Street and Talbert Avenue. Bottom picture shows the north view on Foster Street where the parking lot is Foster Street parking lot is to the left. The image of the pedestrian bridge for the proposed parking structure, which is kind of their prominent picture for the the structure on most of the plans with this pedestrian bridge being a predominant feature. Again, the proposed project is at the Foster Street lot on the left for the Orange Coast Memorial Campus here in red. Attached is a site plan for the parking structure.

Existing single family homes to the west, townhome residential, attached townhomes to the south. There's a 66 foot setback from the parking structure to the south property line where there's block wall fence here surrounding the property. There's a 18 foot setback to the property line to the single family homes to the west. So the structure is a total of five levels. And for description purposes, it is three stories above grade with a basement and storage level and a rooftop parking level.

Total structure is 308,000 square feet. Total parking spaces that would be provided for the structure is 862. This is a view of the parking structure facing west with various heights labeled on this structure with the top of this elevator tower being over just over 41 feet tall and the top of

the

parapet around the structure averaging around 36 feet tall. This is the basement floor plan of the structure, and we have our first floor plan. Vehicles will enter off of Foster Street. Two driveway queues up to a gated area right here will travel into the parking structure, and vehicles will exit out on Talbert. So enter only on Foster and exit only on Talbert.

And I forgot to mention at the beginning of this. This structure is for employees only, so it's not for guests or patrons, visitors of the hospital. It's for employees only. So there is a gated system, and employees will have a a key fob similar to the employees at city hall to open up that gate and for them to go in. So, theoretically, there should be less confusion of that interaction with the car at the gate and lifting up versus an employee as they're doing it routinely so that operation would be a little bit smoother and quicker for cars coming into the structure than at a public pay lot where you have to pay the machine and and do that transaction.

Matt, if you can stay on that one for one second. And, commissioners, just as a reminder, this is a study session, so you don't have to save your questions the end. If you would like to go over any of the slides as we go through them, please do so. So here, just a couple of things to mention. One, since it's employees only, there'll be a few times during the day where you'll have heavier traffic with shifts occurring.

And so that's in your staff report and the number of employees they expect to be coming in during certain shifts. And that's why you have the stacking going into the structure. And then they included the bridge across so that the pedestrians don't conflict with the traffic coming in. So that if you have multiple people coming hundreds of people coming on a shift, they're not crossing Foster at grade. They're above grade, so they're interfering and stopping that traffic from coming in.

Oh, Matt. And do we have any requirement for a setback with the parking structure that will be in the residence?

It would follow the building setback.

Do you remember what the main one?

For structures, it would be 10 feet to the residential. So 18 foot setback, and the required is 10. They meeting it on the west and south sides to residential. Moving along, this is the floor plan for the 2nd Floor. 3rd Floor of the parking structure will have the bridge access to the main campus, which the tower will drop off.

There will be three parking spaces on that side of the the hospital campus next to the 9900 Edinger Medical Building That will be removed for the project for the tower over here. And this is the rooftop parking level. Again, an image facing west of the parking structure with the residential townhomes to the south. Again, 66 foot setback from structure to property line here. This view is facing south, looking south, 18 foot setback from property line to side here.

And we looked at, the proximity of the parking structure to the homes to the west. This elevation shows the proposal will have, the setback area planted with, some trees, and they provided elevations to show those heights at a mature level screening and providing some landscape screening between the parking structure and those homes to the to the west. Here's again another angle. Now with the stairwell structure, you know, leaving these exposed areas create, like, a balcony look. So to prevent that from people standing and creating this look over the homes to the west, this higher wall, full wall screening the staircase to the west so you don't have that look to protect the privacy of the neighbors.

This view is facing west showing the gated entrance and the exit at Talbert Avenue. So the parking structure is located close to Talbert And Foster, close to the streets with residential to the West and South. As the sun travels throughout the year over the sky, it produces shadows for the taller structure and producing newer shadows that weren't previously experienced by these homeowners to the West. And so a shadow study was prepared. These it

took a

lot more images analyzed a lot more images for the shadow studies throughout the year. But these are the three major times of the year, the winter solstice, the summertime, and the wintertime. And you can see that there are different times of the year, specifically where my cursor is, that the sun or the shadows do affect the properties to the west. And through our analysis, there will be much more images. A part of this analysis that would be provided to the planning commission at the at the hearing, but, again, this shows you from December, March, and September, and June how the shadows of the structure mainly affect properties to the west.

Again, as the sun travels to the north of the structure, the properties to the south won't be affected by any shadows from this parking structure, just mainly these properties to the single family homes to the west.

So these are the most extreme cases. There's not gonna be more shadow than than this, essentially.

Correct. The images I provided on this slide are the most extreme. They did take other images that are documented at different times where there's less of a shadow, like at noon, where there's no shadow. And so they did provide an image to prove that that there's no effect at different times, but these are the worst case scenarios in the morning. So parking displacement during the the time.

Again, there's 231 parking spaces on the Foster Lot. Those parking spaces will not be utilized by anybody during that time. And so Memorial Care, which has some offices right up here off San Mateo, will be offering a shuttle service during their several year long construction project, shuttling employees at their property over here to their facility at Talbert and Brookhurst. So the entitlements that the parking structure requires is a specific plan amendment, which requires this planning commission approval and city council approval, precise plan, which requires planning commission approval, and CEQUA environmental clearance, which the city has contracted with Ultra Systems Environmental to prepare an initial study and a mitigated negative declaration, and that will need to be reviewed by planning commission and then approved by city council as well with the specific plan amendment. And, again, this will go before a public hearing before the planning commission where you will look at the precise plan and the specific plan amendment and the CEQA document.

And should you choose to approve, it will be forwarded to city council for that specific plan amendment and CEQA clearance. And the city council will hear two hearings on that, and then should the specific plan amendment be approved, thirty days after that, it would become law because it's adopted by ordinance. So that concludes my report on the specific plan. I mean, the parking structure project. If you have any questions of me, I'm available. And, again, the COO is here from the hospital. And

I believe she has director

of facilities construction is here as well.

Does the app I think I believe the applicant has a presentation as well. They'd like to

provide They do. Yes.

Matt, I probably have a question for you. So what's the timeframe from the first planning commission meeting to the final approval?

The final city council meeting. So two city council meetings. It would have to be on on schedule. The second reading, It would be thirty days after the second reading. So looking at say

So if I may, I think we're look we're originally looking at September 24 for the planning commission hearing. However, I think that's gonna be pushed back to October 8 at a minimum for the there's a thirty day review period public review period for the mitigated neg deck. So we anticipate coming to you October 8. We'll probably get to city council either October, November. And then we'll once we have the first reading, the initial reading, that'll give us a pretty good understanding.

The second reading is more of a formality in most cases. However, some things could change, and then takes effect thirty days after that. So the precise plan would start and end with you. The specific plan amendment, which Matt can go into more detail if you like, about the specific plan and why it needs

to be

amended to allow for the new structure that would become effective probably beginning of next year with the thirty days.

Okay. Thank you.

Thank you.

Good evening. My name is Emily Randall and I'm pleased to serve as the Chief Operating Officer at Orange Coast Medical Center. I've met with several of the commissioners, and I'm pleased to be here to share with you more about our proposal, at risk of being redundant because Matt did a beautiful job of, presenting, our plan. I may may be repeating a few things, but try to get you a very good picture of why we're doing what we're doing and how we propose to do it. So really just starting with our that this project is fulfilling our commitment that we made to the community, years ago when the, Patient Care Pavilion was, approved in 2000 and actually in 2007 it was approved.

And two of the conditions besides, building the Patient Care Pavilion to specifications was to, expand our emergency department and to add parking capability. We ended up, expanding the emergency department, thank goodness, and completing that project right before the pandemic hit. So two months prior to the pandemic hitting, we had, doubled the size of our emergency department. Otherwise, I'm not sure how we would have gotten through those days. And so after pandemic settled, we said it's time to get to the final commitment that we've made to increase our parking capacity, and the need has become more and more dire.

I am I driving this or okay. Alright. Whoops. Okay. So just as a an overview of the project description, it's a 2.3 acre parcel of the property owned by Orange Coast, corner of Talbert And Foster, currently 231 spaces.

The proposal is a three story plus a basement and rooftop parking. So we get five levels of parking with only a three story building, and that was very important to us to mitigate the height. Physician and staff parking only. So the idea behind this is that the physicians and staff would park in this area as well as our volunteers and so that would free up all of the close in parking for our patients and our visitors. So right now patients and visitors circle and circle around the lots to try to find a space and this proposal would take care of that providing one centralized place for all of the staff to, park and physicians.

It does, include badge controlled access, so my badge would get me in every morning. And just, something to mention on the entry driveway, it's a two lane driveway which accounts for, it has room for 23 vehicles to be in that driveway at any one time. So that was designed, as a very long entrance so that we could avoid, backing up on Foster. So 23 cars can be in that drive and then it's just a quick, flip of your badge to to get on in.

Oops. I'm sorry.

Okay. The height, slightly different than what Matt had shared but the height of the top of the parapet on the east side is 37 feet two inches. The existing parking lot has 231 with the increased spaces, 862 total. The net new spaces would be 631. This is a nice picture of the pedestrian bridge, and it's it's to avoid, folks crossing Foster for the sake of, folks coming into the parking structure, but it's also been a long term issue for the neighbors in Mariposa townhomes that, visitors and staff, routinely cross, mid street.

They don't go down to the, signal at Talbert And Foster, and so you have a lot of pedestrians crossing illegally, basically, sometimes on their cell phones and not watching. And that's been a real complaint from the Mariposa residents and just folks in general because it's not as safe of a environment that we would like. So this pedestrian bridge was part of the feedback that we received from earlier conversations that we had with our with our neighbors. Yes. So if you

could go back to the previous slide, could you please go into further detail about the need for so many of those net new spaces?

Yes. I'd be happy to. The addition of 631 spaces sounds like a lot, but we are a very different industry than most businesses and we are open twenty four seven and have the overlap of the day shift and the night shift nurses. So, the largest, portion of our employees are nurses and you one nurse comes in at seven in the morning and leaves at 07:30 or so in the evening because they have to give a hand off report to the evening nurses that are coming in. So you're at the very least you're going to have thirty minutes, more likely an hour of overlap where you have twice the staff there because you have to have the morning nurses and the evening nurses on.

You can never pass off a patient without doing a handoff obviously for continuity of care and safe care. So we do have to go well above and beyond the city standards of parking spaces that are required. I I'm blanking a little bit on the exact amount that, was required, but it's it's, less than half of the 631. But because of our situation with the nurse hand off from morning shift to evening shift, it requires twice the amount of parking. Okay?

Thank you. Uh-huh. Okay. We really strive to be a great hospital but also to be a great neighbor. And this in the in this design we really took into account an awful lot of feedback that we've received from folks over the years and it really has impacted the design proposed parking structure.

A few things for instance, I've already talked about the pedestrian bridge which was a big part of suggestions that were made or a fix that need to be needed to be discovered to fix the safety situation. Also, the originally, when we started working on this years ago, we had a beautiful walking path behind the townhomes at the Mariposa Townhomes to the south of the parking structure and thought that was really beautiful. The neighbors said to us, that's really beautiful, but that's just gonna be an attraction for for folks to come and lay down and set up tents and so forth. And so we modified that to place a an uncomfortable ground underneath, rock ground, and fill in the landscaping very densely so there wouldn't be the room for folks to set up any kind of structures or or even sleep for the night. So that was based on input from the neighbors as well.

We wanted to part of the reason that we went with the physician and staff parking concept was to provide the up close parking to our patients and visitors, those that are maybe less able or maybe in a hurry to get to their doctor's appointments. And we know it's been super stressful for folks to find parking spaces. So we felt like that that our employees are healthy and they are all about taking care of their patients so they can walk a little bit further and we'll all be parking over there, myself included. So we felt that that was the best way to control not only the parking that go or the vehicles that go in this area, but the control of the drivers. Since they are employees and physicians, if they color outside the lines, if they try to jump over a fence, all of those kind of things, that's part of our code with our employees of code of conduct.

So we can have a conversation with them and provide input and make sure that they follow all the rules. So there will be security cameras as well as security officers that will monitor the use of the parking structure and makes it much more possible that all of those rules are met if they are if it's employees and physicians. We also wanted to be sure that we were respectful of the neighbors as far as lights in their backyards or shining into their properties, and so we have chosen lighting systems that go directly down on the parking structure. We also built the parapets or the the structures in front of the parking stalls so that headlights were mitigated to whether it was facing out toward Talbert or to the homes on either side. Okay.

These just this just shows the elevations just to give you an idea, view from the Mariposa townhomes, the view from Talbert Avenue, and you can see that we've incorporated screens over the openings. So I should point out that this building has no mechanical, component to it. There's no need for, air conditioning or heating because it's an open breeze way so we won't be blocking anybody's breeze that comes in through the through the neighborhood and it will go through. So these design screens are mesh and so they will allow the breezes to go through as well. So you won't have the noise of any mechanical structures in the in the parking structure that the neighbors would would disturb the neighbors.

There just isn't anything and those screens and openings really provide for a pleasant environment for folks inside the structure as well as those outside. These also show the view from the homes along Lemon Street. That's the four single family homes that directly are behind the parking structure. Those four single family homes, we did talk about the setback is 18 versus the required 10 feet. But, also, we wanted to demonstrate the, mature trees that will be planted along that area so that we can, you know, can't block the parking structure completely, but we can definitely soften the look of it.

And then the view from Foster Street is really what we see when we're standing in front of the emergency department looking over, and we've made sure that that's a a pleasant view as well. Okay. We will be incorporating, if approved, shear wall art which this isn't the design but this is just gives you an example of a way to break up the concrete. Literally, you just don't wanna have a block of concrete. So it's it's a technique that's used on lots of the freeways to sort of give a little bit of a softer appeal and a design.

We've already talked about the metal mesh screens and the entrance that holds 23 vehicles at any one time and scoots through. This might be a good place to stop and talk about if let's say a patient, even though we'll have a wonderful signage program of sort of signifying where where folks need to go, it will be possible, I am certain, that someone will turn into that driveway that is not a physician, volunteer, or a patient. And so how do we get them out of that area? There's not a turnaround and so there there will be a a button that can be pushed on the little kiosk that hold that the badge hold the badge is red, but there will be an intercom that will go straight to our security. And so it's, let's say missus Smith said, oh, I think I pulled in the wrong, I can't get in to the parking structure, the security officers will say, no problem missus Smith, I'm gonna open the arm for you, you can drive through, the parking structure, exit on Talbert and I'll direct you to where you need to go, so that you can be closest to your physician's appointment.

So we've got a plan and, a design in place that will, mitigate that problem. Hopefully it won't happen too much once it gets established that this is the new lay of the land. Again, the employee bridge on the South Side, we have had tremendous amount of conversations with stakeholders throughout the community, and have received, a lot of support on design. We even had, a couple that said, you know, we we appreciate the the project. We we know it's needed, but they and they have, their family has had care at our, hospital.

And they said, those nurses and those staff members are so wonderful. We wanna make sure that their walk from the parking structure to the to the campus is a peaceful one as they come in and it's restful as they as they leave. So we're really trying to make we open we opened it up so that it wouldn't seem claustrophobic and can certainly enjoy the beautiful California sunshine and weather but also just to we're we've got some plans in mind to make sure it's an encouraging journey that they make across that pedestrian bridge. This demonstrates the mitigation of headlights by the use of those parapets. And this shows the rooftop lighting which is more advanced over the years to allow us to just really direct the light straight down onto the parking structure versus spilling over into the neighborhoods.

We have taken great pains to design, choose landscaping materials that would be beautiful and seasonal. Season year year round, it would it would be beautiful. We did have feedback from one of our nearby neighbors who said that one of the one of the trees that we had picked out would drop its leaves at for a few months of the year. So they suggested that we pick another tree so that it's always there's always foliage on the on the branches. On the bottom of this, the south of the parking structure, this does not demonstrate the new the newer dense dense tree line that will be there.

Actually, a couple of lines of trees as well as the rock hard ground that will prevent folks from taking up residence on our campus. And this just shows more of the the buffer that we hope to create from the with the landscaping. And this version or this this shot of the bridge just shows you that we tried to incorporate some features, glass and and design that would blend in with the campus versus be a just a concrete wall. There. So that concludes my presentation and I'm sure I missed some high points but open to any questions that you might have for me.

So for patient parking with all of the employees now parking structure and patients being able to park closer to the facilities, the valet service still be active as well as an option for patients?

Yes. Actually, back when the Patient Care Pavilion was approved in 2007, the requirement was that we would make allowances and provide parking and so and not charge for it. And that's in in forever, in perpetuity. So we had we started with a valet station in front of the patient care pavilion but as we have become busier and busier, we've expanded those free valet services throughout the campus. So right now there are five different valet stations to accommodate the many patients that park on our campus every day.

And we're running about 1,800 cars that are valet every week at Orange Coast. So it just gives you an idea of the magnitude of the issue and that definitely the the valet stations the valet in front of the Patient Care Pavilion will remain and we'll assess what other needs remain if we need to have five or if we can go down to three stations, but we'll always have some in front of the Patient Care Pavilion because a lot of our cancer services are in that building and so those folks that come for a very brief visit in radiation therapy or for an infusion and so forth, we really want to make it as convenient as possible for those that are going through their treatments. Do you

have any slide from The entrance side of the parking from Talbert?

I'm sorry. I don't Do

you have any picture that show the entrance? Where is the gate for

the entrance? It's it's let me see if one of these slides will so this is looking at toward Talbert. So you see the the traffic light, yes, at the corner. And so that's going toward Talbert. And you can see to the to the left of the screen, that's where the folks would turn in on Foster.

So it's about halfway down the the street there on Foster. It's very close to where folks turn into the Foster lot now because those two lanes of entry of an entry point are setback, but it's 66 feet from the back of the townhomes to the actual parking structure. So that's approximately where it is, about halfway down the street. So the driveway to the right that you're seeing on the right that you're seeing is the one that brings you up into the emergency department drop off. So you're you're right across the the entrance to the parking structure is right across the from the entrance to the emergency room for those people that are who are driving in.

So there there is no directly entrance side from from Talbert at all. Right? So they have to go to Foster first?

They have to go they have to go to do you mean as far as getting into the building? Yeah. They have to go on Foster?

Into the parking.

Yes. Into the parking and then there's only one way out onto Talbert.

Okay.

And it's two lanes that go out onto Talbert. Right before you get to that area of where the exit occurs. Brooker I mean, sorry. Talbert is is wider at that point which works to our advantage in allowing those those cars to exit more easily. And you have to remember that most of the the staff that will be coming and leaving will be at certain times when there's that most people are not out and about when when those folks are coming to work or leaving work.

So it's a it's hopefully not impactful to the to the traffic.

Yeah. Can can I have any picture that show the the entrance and the exit overview? Okay. Okay. Quickly. Then Let me

see what can show you most quickly. So this shows you from overhead. The entrance is at the bottom of the screen.

I got

That's the two lane. And then the exit is at the top of the screen onto Talbert.

I have to Yeah. Go ahead. Read the images. I think you go there with

the Another one? Back further?

Yeah. Back up.

Oh, there you go. There you go. Sorry.

Okay. Bottom left is the entrance. Yeah. And then the bottom bottom right is the exit. I was focusing on the screen, so not so much on the entrance and exit. But is that giving you what you need?

No. Then that that definitely helped. Yeah.

So Good deal. Yeah. Because And there won't be a badge required

Okay. When does it

Not to come out. Yeah. To the exit. We also had suggestions from some of the neighbors that we met with to make it more secure and to have have badge entry on the elevators

Mhmm.

So that we don't have folks coming in to, you know, I don't know, skateboard or or or take a look at what cars are up there. So we really wanna make sure that it's a secure place for the staff and physicians to park as well.

Okay. This is Randall. So maybe you might want to elaborate for everybody also about the security measures that you're taking besides the rocks because I know that you said you're gonna be putting up a gate, a metal gate. Yes. And also maybe explain that that might be monitored twenty four hours.

Mhmm.

So that way everyone kinda understands that.

Yeah. I think a perfect example is behind the parking structure that exists today on our campus that backs up to some Mariposa townhomes. So the it's a larger structure and it's to the south of the hospital. Behind there is a walkway and many years ago we realized that was it would be a good idea to lock that walkway off so that no one could come in. And so we're picturing the same type of method for keeping the the area between the parking structure and the lemon homes, the back of the Lemon home secure.

As far as the area between Mar Iposa and and the entry driveway, I don't believe that we've contemplated a gate there. Just the the more solid or the dense landscaping, solid surface, as well as security officers that are right outside that area that can see what's happening right in that area. So we have a security officer posted in front of the emergency department and so they are asked to patrol down that, down to Foster so they can easily see if there's anybody that's deciding that they would like to to perch, anywhere. So we won't have any benches or or anywhere to sit basically, sit or lay.

Go back to the passive. Is that the It's only right turn only. Right? Yes. And then the left turn.

Right turn only.

Emily, Mhmm. Can you go over what happens if you have the shift coming in in the morning, say, and somebody forgets their badge

Mhmm.

And starts the line starts to back up. The queue backs up, but I

All they have to do is also push the button, security will answer, and they'll say and the employee will say, this is Emily Randall. I I forgot my badge. And they'll say, you know, bad on you. But they'll they'll ask for my employee ID number. We all have a six six digit employee ID number so they can track anybody that is a perpetual forgetter.

And so they'll go ahead and raise bar and say, remember to to bring your badge tomorrow. And if someone is a perpetually causing that kind of slow slow down then they'll be they'll be talked to by their manager or director. So we have we'll have all of the we have all of our employees' cars, licenses, etcetera, make and model and license number. So it's not gonna be hard for us to identify who should be there and who should not be there. I

got a couple of questions from from Matt about, do we have any consent from the from the fire department for an entering this parking structure or anything? Do they have any problem? What happened? The ladder is good enough to go into the three story building?

The fire department made comments. The structure will be fully sprinkled. My understanding, fire trucks would not be driving into the structure, but the fire department has reviewed it and has provided comments.

Another same question is about the lighting. You know, this one, the currently parking structure, the parking lot, we don't have a lot of lighting over there. Right? So right now, you add more lighting into the parking structure. How is the electricity in this area gonna be handled? Is that they're gonna add more electricity use into the the network over here? Do we have any concern or anything about electricity addition?

In terms of power need for the parking structure? I'd

Mark, you want to take that one or because not sure we okay. Yeah.

I I asked question because I I know there's one similar situation on the parking structure before. They they they concerned about

Yes. I'm I'm Mark Shuck. I oversee the construction for memorial care at this campus. Today, all the lighting in that area are high pressure sodium bulbs. They take up an enormous amount of electricity, the lighting. In the parking structure itself, it will have a power feed that comes off of our grid. Our campus today is fed on primary metering, so we have one meter for the whole campus. Campus. It will have a primary source coming to it because we're doing the electrical charging stations inside with expandability, but also all the lighting today is moving to LED. All the lights in this parking structure will use less electricity electricity that I'm using to light that parking structure today.

Okay. So it is kind of

economical. Yeah.

I've back at or kinda continuing this conversation about lighting. So I've seen in more modern structures, especially on the roof where if there's, you know, no activity going on, the lights will actually dim or turn off and they're kind of like motion activated. Do you plan on having that kind of, you know, motion sensor technology involved on, you know, the roof lighting as well just to kind of cut down on any potential glare issues if there's no activity?

That's a great question. I'm gonna tell you that we haven't actually had that development level at this point in time. We did the photometric studies and utilized this specific lighting because of the ability to manage the cast, but it hasn't been discussed on the upper level, could I lower the lighting levels. On the interior, I don't ever really want to do that just because, you know, from safety. But that is something that we can look at.

So Matt, so just for the summary, so you say even right now if you add the the more lighting into the parking structure, the use the uses of them is still less than what currently right now?

From today's type, yes.

Okay.

That's not counting the electric cars though.

Oh,

yeah. You know, that's a big one.

Question on the lighting. Another question is on the side. So can the any employee, if they park the car and they stay on the rooftop, can they see over to the to the people house in the Lemon Street?

So if you if you walked honestly adjacent to it, the parapet wall is only about four foot tall. You could stand there and yes, you could look off into that that area. It's not that high up. It's it's not screened at that level.

So there is no concern from resident about that there there have you We haven't.

You know, our existing parking structure backs up to the same Mariposa neighborhood and we haven't had that concern. In fact, the setback there is only about eight foot from the parking structure directly into the backyard. Has got quite a setback and it also has the trees that we don't have. And and honestly, sir, we haven't had that kind of complaint.

So then then no complaint on the feedback or any feedback from the from the side?

That hasn't been a that hasn't been a feedback that has come to us at this time. I was just gonna see if I could find Well, think this is a good representation for you in looking at the height of the parapet wall.

Mhmm.

And this is this is angled directly at the street on on Lemmon. So this is the closest setback, the 18 foot. And you can see that on the lower level, the parapet wall is at its lowest because I'm at height with the property line separation. So the headlights aren't going into that property and I'm at a point I can't look over into it. As you move up to the second, third and the rooftop, the parapet is deliberately taller specifically so that when cars pull in that their headlights aren't shining now back into that neighborhood.

When you go to the top level that there's potential for that looking through. Not the rooftop, sir, but the third level, that's where you see the screen and there really isn't when somebody walks up to that, they have the screen, they're really not looking into your backyard. From the top, somebody could walk there and stand and, you know, look down into the yard.

Alright. That that's all. Does that

that one represent your question?

That that very much, yeah. This this image show a lot of thing. Yeah. So I support the from the rooftop, if the guy want to see it, they still can go and see slightly something on the backyard of those four house.

On on those four, yes, sir. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's really difficult from the South Side because there's a 60 foot setback. You know, from that point, when you start angling and looking at it, you're

I understand. Yeah.

Right. And may I mention one extra component to that? These are employees and physicians that are parking, and we will have cameras that will be on the parking structure.

Mhmm.

So if we see any kind of issue with that, I can't imagine that we would because they've gotta get to their time clock so they can start working. But if somebody was lingering, we would take care of it from a disciplinary standpoint right away. Alright. So we'll have the the advantage of security cameras and the advantage of them being our employees Mhmm. That that will be parking in that structure. So a little bit easier to control than the general public.

I got it. Thank you.

On on the bottom right screen, that's looking south. And so the property on Lemon is adjacent. The stair tower that comes down, we deliberately made the stair towers so that they were open, so that someone couldn't be assaulted or robbed in a closed in stair tower. But at the same time, there was the thought process along the west wall that the stair tower doesn't give visibility to someone down into the wall when they're walking down that stair tower. It was deliberately designed so that they couldn't, but it was still open so someone couldn't hide in there.

Okay. Thank you.

Oh, I got too many thank yous there. I'm trying to see if I could get anything else for you.

I think that that Okay. Oh, sorry. I think I've already done. I'm sorry.

I have a question on the on the stair towers. Are they open to the public at the ground level? Can they get in and out there?

At the ground level, they would have to entering into the parking structure. We've talked about, and I I don't know if we finalized it yet, badge access to the stairwells as well as the as the elevators.

Mhmm. Okay. So they The stairs actually go clear down to

the ground? They they do. Yes. But you can't you'd have to jump over a wall to get across Foster. So if there is a wall that prevents that, and leads people that go all the way down to the ground level to cross at Foster And Talbrook.

So they it's it is a badge gate on the stairs?

I I believe that that we haven't we haven't put that in the design plan yet, but that's certainly something that we would consider doing because we're protecting those elevators from the same type of

Yeah. Well, since it's going to be real obvious where the majority of the cars come and go Mhmm. On the parking levels, the ability to walk up the stairs and have access to those levels to me is concerning, especially during times when there won't be a lot of activity on on some levels.

Again, the cameras will be there, but we we do have a way which we employed during COVID to kind of shut down different entrances to the campus to outside areas. So the gates that we have at the top of of the cafeteria patio would work well in that in that arena too. So it's it's what we've we've used that technique in in the past as well.

Well, I can see why you'd wanna I'm gonna call it a fire breakaway exit Mhmm. From the stairs. But to get into the stairwell Mhmm. You might look at having to have a badge.

Yes. And if it's the if it's the desire of the Planning Commission, we can add it as a condition of approval as well.

So Commissioner Brother, so what I'm thinking is are you thinking about the stairwell that's along Talbert That someone can just go and walk and turn in and then just go up the stairs and have access. Yeah, okay.

Exactly.

Just to make it a

little There's more more than the stairwell on Talbert.

Yeah, there's Talbert and then there's the other one over off of Foster. So those are the two stairwells.

Right.

So okay. And then with that and that we could put a consideration of having a badge door to get into that stairwell, would be nice. Mhmm.

Okay. We'll check with the other departments to see if there's any issues, but otherwise, we'll we'll condition it as such. K.

Thank you. The report, they say it's 18 handicap parking for the structure. Right?

There is dedicated parking based on the ratio that complies with city requirements. So

so is that mostly the on the handy on the sorry. Let me pull it back. For the

It's on Matt's. I I don't think I think ours doesn't have I think Matt's presentation represents

Yes. 18.

Right? Yeah.

Yeah. We I'm sorry. I don't have that in our Matt doesn't it has in his and it is totally in the entire sequel report that represents the number of handicap spaces per floor. It represents the number of EV charging stations that will be brought online instantaneously and the it also represents the number that I can expand to, you know, depending on how we grow with the electrical charging. So

we have a fact sheet of Mhmm. Project that's available on the website. There's 18 accessible parking spaces required.

And Are there 21 the staff report says 18 ADA spaces and three and three van accessible?

Accessible required. Yes.

Just 21 total?

Yes. 21.

So if a person, like the ADA guy, any people with the with the accessible problem, so they park on the 1st Floor. They want to use the we want to use the stair on the 3rd Floor. Do we have any elevator or No. I do I do

have an elevator. With the So if if I was, you know, a handicap and I parked on the 3rd Floor, I wouldn't have to leave the 3rd Floor. I could simply move to the elevator on the 3rd Floor and they could bring me to the, you know, where I could cross the bridge and go down on that side.

Okay. So they they do have the IDA Yes.

And the and the elevator is handicap accessible.

Okay. Okay. Got it. Thank you. Mhmm.

We also have our CEQUA consultant here from Ultra Systems. If you have any questions regarding CEQUA, we prepare to mitigate an egg deck. Again, that'll be up for public review in the coming week or two. So if you have questions about air quality during construction, say noise, lighting, anything like that, they're available as well. And I believe they'll be at the public hearing as well. Yes. Thank you.

I have no more questions.

Okay. So there are no more questions. Are there any is there anyone wishing to

speak? No, sir.

No, sir. Okay. Well, thank you for the presentation. It was very informative. I did I was one of the commissioners that had the opportunity to meet with you over at the hospital and I think we went in-depth over this all. So it's kind of a refresher for me and I appreciate it. Thank you all for coming out. Matt, thank you for your report. I appreciate that as well. Is there any other comments we want to make before I close this study session?

Excellent. That was a good one. It was under an hour. It was appreciated. Thank you, everyone, and the study session is now closed.