City Council - Regular Meeting

[Music] The time is now 5:00 p.m. on Wednesday, October 22nd. I hereby call this finance meeting to order. Roll call. Madame clerk. Oh, excuse me, Madam Secretary. Mr. L Alamine is not in. Dr. Lewis present. Miss Johnson is not in. Miss Priestley present.

Miss Winfrey Carter is not in. Miss Burns is not in. Miss Machet. Present. Mr. Feifer is not in. Mr. Jarrett present.

You have four members present. We have four members present. As soon as we receive we will attempt to obtain quorum and then we will begin So I see.

We have now established quorum. Shall we go ahead and do a um roll call again, please? Mr. L. Alamine is not in. Dr. Lewis, present. Miss Johnson, present. Miss Priestley, present. Miss Winfrey Carter is not in. Miss Burns is not in. Miss Machet present. Mr. Feifer is not in. Mr. Jared present. You have five members present.

There are five members present. P present. Reading of disorderly person city code subsection. Any person that persists in disrupting this meeting will be in violation of Flint City Code section 3110 disorderly conduct, assault and battery and disorderly persons and will be subject to arrest for misdemeanor. Any person who prevents the peaceful and orderly conduct of any meeting will be given one warning. If they persist in disrupting the meeting, that individual will be subject to arrest. Violators will be removed from the meetings. Are there any agenda changes or additions? Madam Chair, go ahead. Um, I'd like to move the There's a presentation um for the opioid for the opioid settlement.

That would be moved. Um, I would like to move that um to after public comment. No, after council response. Correct.

That would be ordered without objection. Are there any others? Okay. Hearing none, it is now time for public comment. Members of the public who wish to address the city council or its committees must register before the meeting begins. A box will be placed at the entrance to the council chambers for a collection of registrations. No additional speakers or slips will be accepted after the meeting begins. Members of the public shall have no more than three minutes per speaking, excuse me, per speaker during public's comment with only one speaking opportunity per speaker. Madame Secretary, who is our first speaker?

RL Mitchell. Do it again. Come here. Hey, stop the clock. Speaking to it again. You got Okay. Hello. Go ahead. Wait a minute. We'll have him reset the clock. Reset. Yeah. There you go.

Like I was ready to say, my name is Ariel El Mitchell. I live in Flint in the third ward 759 East Lindon by the graveyard raceline. And for the record, uh I want to report that the ISIS I was attacked by the ISIS peoples last week in front of the YMCA. They they've turned it down now. I was waiting for the bus inside there and the the a sea street bus came and when I got on the bus I got on the bus and three women's on there looked just like the third ward in the second ward and and the other black woman which had a big gap in the teeth thoroughbred black woman my leg my leg was just like the eighth ward guy over there and I just put my leg up on the thing and I got relief and the lady said no you There was a the ISIS the ISIS captain general of the ISIS. She said what? Take it. I didn't know what she said. Well, you must have from down south now. I was just going to tell her but she just kept on her friends kept on grinning and making smart remarks. She said she said I kept talking about my leg. Said put your leg down. I my leg felt so comfortable. I just let it stayed up there. More she talking. I didn't. And then she said, "I'm she reach in her back pocket like the third war got a suit on. They can put their wallet in their back pocket." And this black woman, she said, "Oh yeah, I can handle you by our dog drag you off this kept on talking stuff. I ain't grinning at the same time." And he said, "No, I'm going to call the rest. They going to take care of you when you get down to there's only one block to go calling them goons black ISIS. The peoples who don't know what ISIS is. They go the peoples who born in United States. If you black, you look black, you you don't ain't got no right and you tell what they know what ISIS is. Thank God for the Democrat. As

long as they don't do nothing, you they going to be dealt with by them national guys. They the national guys in here to detect the ISIS because they getting their ass kicked while they while we while they jumping on people. So nobody want to tell tell them that and all that stuff. And before I got on prison row, the whole family of them met me down there with my bag and said, "Easy, easy stop." And the woman a woman in the truck and a woman get out of the truck, had a suit on, had she looked lipstick on and she looked at me like, "What you looking at?" Then the whole family come in. If them ain't ISIS, who is it? All them black. What all that? And the chief green is the the leader of the pack, too. ain't doing nothing. That's why he don't come up here and talk for himself. Protecting that old stinking dope over on St. John Street at that old roller in the third ward ain't saying nothing about it. And in second word up talking with the fourth w where you at anyway this way. Hey stay tuned America. We're going to see how we French don't get our money tonight. [Applause] Next speaker is Taylor Samson.

Taylor Samson, 8 resident. On this agenda is an ask by the police to approve more flat cameras. I was against the cameras last time and I'm still am. I'm asking the council to vote this down. Our police chief and the department as a whole has shown us over and over again that they aren't even working with the tools and budget they have. The officers are targeting residents enough without giving them more surveillance power. I believe it was the eighth word councilman who had previously asked the chief if he would be coming back for more cameras and no response was given. Chief Green is never prepared. He should not continue to be allowed to ask for things and not bother to show up to council to speak to the council or residents. Flack itself is a problem. The ACLU stated, "Flack is building a dangerous nationwide mass surveillance infrastructure. Flack is upgrading their systems to connect their license plate readers to people. They are willing to share photos and videos with the police agency using AI. Their AI is collecting all the data on your cars. Imagine if the same car is recorded every single day on the camera is going to work. That that car's description and the driver is being put into their database. The cloud database is accessible all over the country. So the cops could search for your car and see you driving across town even if you didn't break any laws. They also have a flack hot list that they can sign up certain plates to to get alerts on. Imagine that being in the wrong hands. Flack is also involved with lawsuits in places like Virginia, Connecticut, and Oregon for violations of the Fourth Amendment. And we do not need any more possible lawsuits coming to flame. Recently, Flack was the reason why a woman in Texas was tracked down and arrested for an ab an abortion. Flack is also allowing ICE to use their systems. That is extremely dangerous. ICE has been doing enough racial profiling and brutality. Adding them to the Flack system is only going to lead to more violence. In case people weren't aware, the Mundy uh the Metro Police, Mundy Township, and Schwarz Creek combined, they've been considering a 287G agreement, which would allow their agents to be trained as ICE agents. That

is way too close to home. And to allow that to happen with them plus the federal ICE already being in Jennese County and have taken over a hundred people just this year, most of them having legal status, we do not need to invite any more police surveillance systems here in Fland because we know we are already a target on the federal level. We don't need to give them more power and technology to continue to do these things and team up with these other agencies locally. Um, I really just do not want Flint to be a total police state. We already are being ran by a rogue police chief that's doing what the mayor tells him to do, and it's been on record through various people, including officers, and I just can't imagine if we gave them even more cameras. And you're not going to know where the cameras are. Oregon's actually being sued right now because they're not telling the public where they're hiding the cameras. So, it's not like we would even be aware of where they're placing these. So, I just really feel strongly that this is something we need to turn down. Do not give them this money.

Next speaker is Stanley Wood.

Good evening, council. Today I want to talk a little bit about the the Democrats. And I'm not going to say that you need to vote Democratic or Republican, but I do want to bring out some things. Um, this is a critical look at the Democrats and the black community since 19 or 1865. Let me ask you the first question. How long should people stay loyal? They're never rewarded. Since 1865, we've seen a pattern, and it's time to call it out. After the Civil War, Democrats oppo opposed every amendment to free and empower the black Americans. They created Jim Crow. They founded the KKK. And for over a hundred years, they fought to keep the black down. Then in 1960, they changed their tune. New promises, new programs. Uh well, let's talk about what actually changed. Look at the results. Detroit Democratic controlled 60 years. Baltimore democ democratic controlled for 50 years. Chicago, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, all of them decades of Democratic leadership. And what do we see? Failing schools, rising crimes, poverty, broken promises. So, every year, uh, they show up, they make their speeches, they tell you they're going to give you better schools, they tell you they're going to make crime better, things like that. Then the election happens, and then you don't see them again for another four years. It's time for accountability. Judge politics politicians by the results, not the rhetoric. Make the make them compete for every single vote because loyalty without results isn't loyalty. It's ex

explore. Yeah. Exploration. Exploitation. The community deserves better. And then I went through and you know I I put Flint in there with this category of failing schools, rising crime, uh poverty and pro prop poverty and broken promises. And what I found was Flint since the 1974 charter, every single mayor has been Democrat. They've all lied to get the votes. They've done what they needed to do. They'll be back in, you know, when the four years are up for more. But it'll be another years of promises, years of lies, years of declining school, more years of rising crime, and more years of poverty. [Applause]

Last speaker is Tanya Jones. Good evening. My name is Tanya Jones. I'm here advocating for my son that's part of the opioid crisis. He's autistic and he also have cle cell and he was a part of John Cole's case. My concern is after I left therapy, I started getting calls about the opioid money and my concern is Mr. Clyde Edwards. I looked up the committee or the group that's supposed to get it and I don't understand I don't understand why Leon got 150,000 and my understanding Clyde Edwards not name is not even on the board. So for him to get the money, I mean you got new path, we got Odyssey, Sacred Heart. I'm advocating for Michael. I'm I'm advocating for my son, but what about the people that don't have nobody to advocate for them? So my main concern is the opioid money. And you know people, you know, y'all the council just vote right for it. And Miss Leashon um Art said, "Give you a chance. And all I'm asking you is I had a whole case with the PO. I have bigger things to fry." So, I just hope that you do right by the community. You know, you know what I'm saying? We bumped into each other at the St. Marks. So, all I'm just asking, you know what I'm saying? You said you you met my son. So, I'm just asking you, would you at least consider I know you got to do you got to get it how you live, okay? We call you a rubber stamp, but just do what's right for the people. I'm not going nowhere. You know what I'm saying? I'm here. Like I said, my my father is Black Lives Matter, Hubert Roberts. If Black Lives Really matter, I'm his oldest daughter. That's his grandson. What have black lives really mattered for Flint? All they did

is travel the country. If you look at their page, so I'm just saying it is not about taking a bullhorn going around talking about Black Lives Matter. It's about action. I'm out here. I got other stuff I could be doing, but it's about action. Like people get out here and really doing it. Don't just talk. Don't just get grant money or just get money donated or whatever. It's bigger than that. I wish my father was here doing this and now guess what? I can be s here saving my son, working on my son, but I'm out here. every time y'all get a chance basically pleading to y'all to do right by the people because I'm not going to give up on mine and like I said what what I'm going through with my son it can happen to anybody and I have friends OD this is real this drug is real what's out here in this community is real and I just want to just tell y'all it's real is real is real when it hit y'all family then y'all going to be like oh that's what Tanya was talking about but I hope y'all strong as me because it's real and just like if that's real God is too have a good [Applause] That was the final speaker.

Thank you very much. It's now time for council response. Uh council members may respond once to all public speakers. Only after all public speakers have spoken. An individual council members response shall be limited to two minutes. Is there anyone who'd like to address the public? Madam Chair, go ahead.

Thank you. Thank you to all the speakers who came and yes, opioid um and drug addiction and abuse is very real in our community. Um and we've been receiving opioid dollars for a couple years now with no plan for it. We do have it on tonight where there's a million dollars. Um and I do have some questions about I have a lot of questions about it because it's a serious problem. Um, and it does not affect just one race anymore. You you don't it's not a drug that's just for uh a black race, a white race. It's it's everywhere. It's it's everywhere for every race denomination. Um I do want to invite the public to uh the Hasselbrink Center. Um they are having a ribbon cutting this um Friday. um they have found a new home and they will be um having a ribbon cutting and they want the community to come out to share with them. There's a lot of festivities that are going on. It'll be they're located at 2111 211 Flushing Road um with Calvary United Methodist Church. That is where they are now located. Um they're no longer on Home Avenue. So they are at 2111 um Flushing Road and they're asking for the community to come out to support to fellowship. Um they've got a lot of different things which are actually going on for that evening um to share with the community and for our seniors. Um they didn't go anywhere. They just went to a place where they were loved in the community. They're located right on the edge of M Park which is a wonderful thing because M Park has welcomed them. um we want to make sure we take care of the least of these in our community and our seniors. So again, it's going to be this Friday. Um October the 24th is going to be their ribbon cutting and they're asking for

the community to come out to share that with them. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Anyone else? Hearing none, it's now time for our special order. Um it's for the um opioid settlement allocation for the Greater Flint Health Coalition and it was requested by myself regarding a presentation for the settlement. Go ahead. Um we're going to limit this to 20 minutes with questions. Oh, that's true.

Okay. Yeah. How long is your presentation? It can be as long or as short as you want it to be. 20 minutes is fine with questions. Yeah, we can always chat more. Yeah, because when it comes up for vote then we'll have time to discuss it as well. Okay. Sure. Okay. Um I've got brought some literature to share. I think it should be like a 25 minute just in case because again everyone might have questions and so a lot of time is going to be eaten up in between them doing the actual and then people having questions. Okay, that's no problem. I have no problem with that.

25 just wait. Oh, I'll set. Okay. All right. So, uh, first of all, thank you, council members, for allowing this time today. Oh, can Oh, I'm so tall. There we go. Uh, thank you for allowing us to, um, have this time today in the meeting to talk about the, uh, proposal we put together to assist the city of Flint to allocate these settlement dollars for from the opioid, um, epidemic settlement in a meaningful and purposeful way. Um my hope through this proposal is that we can add structure, accountability, data collection and get these dollars into the hands of as many partners um in a diverse and multis- sector manner. I think uh one of the the last gal that spoke here said something really impactful that I want to highlight. Um we want to make sure that these dollars get into the hands of the people that are impacted by the opiate epidemic. And there's a lot of different ways to do that. Um, so I'm just going to kind of start by turning your attention into the folder. Um, the Greater Health Coalition has been in this space um of mental health and substance use since 2011. We've established we established a mental health and substance use task force. Um that task force represented our behavioral health systems, treatment providers, prevention providers, the school systems, uh other health officials, uh elected officials, uh community members at large really with the goal of understanding what the barriers and gaps are to address mental health and substance use in the community. Uh obviously that escalated with the hit of the opioid epidemic. So you you saw a com a task force that came together in an advisory sense shift around 2017 2018 to really become actionoriented. Um in that process we developed a

community strategy model which is this uh large map in your folder. Uh in two in 2022 we developed this robust strategy to really identify not only uh all of the different buckets. So you'll see prevention, harm reduction, treatment, uh recovery, behavioral health, social determinance of health. Those are all the things that affect people uh in our community. And when you add substance use to that, it becomes very complex. So we developed this map to help us understand not only what areas we should be looking at, but what sectors of the community should be involved and what activities we should be working on in a collaborative nature. So we've been doing this work for a significant amount of years. Through that, we've established relationships and understanding of who's doing work um in an effective evidence-based manner. Uh and that has really allowed us and positioned us to be in a place where we feel confident that we could assist the city of Flint in allocating funds through a RFP process that would ensure these dollars get into the right hands. Because I'm sure, as you're aware, when the settlement dollars hit, everybody had their hand out. Everybody under the sun says, "Oh, what we do fits under opioid prevention or opioid treatment. Oh, we do this, we do that." But really, without having someone vet that and make sure that we're doing our due diligence, you you might get into a situation where the the the right money gets into the wrong hands. And we want to come alongside of the city and be a supportive partner to ensure that these dollars are allocated to the right people in the right amount and that we're also tracking data so we can say, "Hey, we gave them these dollars. We demonstrated that it works and that we're building sustainability so we can continue these efforts because we know the settlement dollars aren't going to last forever." So, with that said, I'll direct your attention to page 10 of the blue packet. There are two packets in here. The blue

packet is the $1 million one-year proposal. We did uh build a multi-year proposal as well, uh which we feel would have a larger impact overall if we were to provide a larger level of uh of investment to allow for more grant dollars to be allocated into the hands of the community. So, I'd like to take a little bit of time and just walk through what we're proposing so we can um have hopefully some good dialogue. I can hopefully answer questions that you have um about what we're seeking to do. Uh so the the first um allocation we'd like to create uh again these are all RFP proposals um is two up to two grants for our treatment provider partners. Uh these would be all partners uh only partners that are licensed, certified, credentialed, have a longstanding of serving the residents of the city of Flint. Um, and this would be invite only. Again, the reason behind invite only is to make sure that we have a controlled process and we're not letting anybody under the sun apply for those dollars and then be surprised when they didn't meet the criteria. So, we're trying to keep this controlled to protect uh really efficiency and make sure that we're doing no harm. Um, so the goal of this would be to allocate up to $125,000 per grant award. Um, and that would be to support our SUD treatment and um some potentially prevention agencies within uh the city of Flint if they serve out outside areas. Fine. But our goal is to really serve the people of the city of Flint. Um, and again, that would be um invite only. Uh, number two would be our community based organizations. Again, up to two grant awards, not to exceed $125,000 a piece. Um, and that would be with the goal of supporting community- based organizations that are involved in

programming that would address the opioid crisis, promote recovery, or support families affected by the opioid crisis. So, that one's a little bit more broad. We do want that to be a eligible 501c3 nonprofit. Um, the goal here would be to make sure that there's demonstrated evidence of effectiveness. We don't want to have someone start a new nonprofit. We really want someone that has been established in the community, knows what they're doing, so we can trust that the effect that we want to have is actually going to happen. Uh the third allocation that we're recommending through this RFP process is to grassroots community groups. Uh this would not exceed um a total of 10 grants, so a larger pool. Um and this would be up to $25,000 a piece. Um, and the goal here would be to fund our grassroots community groups, uh, and support them to develop innovative and localized initiatives that would address opioid addiction in the community, support effective prevention strategies, and again provide support for those who are impacted by the opioid epidemic. The eligibility for these um can be either a 501c3 or an established fiduciary agent that would be able to support the financial management of these dollars. Again, to control and make sure the investments that you're making from the settlement dollars are being managed and spent as intended. The last category that we have in this request for the one-year proposal uh RFP process is bereavement support for children. Um it is estimated uh in the state of Michigan that there are roughly 1 million children who have been abandoned because of the impact of the opioid crisis. And the fact of the matter is there are limited resources to support those children. Now we have grandparents taking care of of children. We have family members or even just

community members out of the goodness of their heart taking care of children who have lost their family to this epidemic. There are agencies in the community that can specifically provide targeted support for children who've lost loved ones to addiction and these dollars would go directly to those organizations for that purpose. Um we've named $75,000 to go specifically to Ellie's Place and Voices for Children because they have established programming. They have staff that are certified, licensed, credentialed. They have the capacity to provide this support. So, that is kind of what we've come up with in terms of how we'd like to support the allocation of the funds. Um, we'll develop this RFP process to make sure that it's inclusive, especially for our grassroots community groups. We want to make sure that we're not unintentionally leaving them out just because they're not familiar with how to apply for a grant. They don't know what effective prevention, treatment, recovery looks like. So, we'll be hosting a series of workshops to make sure that they understand what evidence-based work looks like as we're addressing the opiate epidemic. We'll help them understand what is allowable in terms of what you can spend the opiate settlement dollars to provide support for. So, we don't want to just throw it out there and say maybe you'll meet the criteria, maybe you won't. We want to provide hands-on support. So, we're building the capacity of our community members, our neighborhood block clubs, our churches, our afterchool programs, you name it. We want to make sure that we have a pathway to give to them and that we're also walking that path with them so they're not doing things that we know aren't effective, right? We we know now that um our the field especially of prevention is now a science. It used to be an art. Uh so things like mock car crashes and the drunk goggles and the just say no campaigns, those don't work. Evidence shows those have no impact in actually addressing the long-term likelihood of somebody using a substance. So we want

to make sure that the dollars we give to our community-based organizations and our grassroots community groups especially are rooted in evidence-based sciencebacked approaches because we don't want to just throw money at the wall and see what sticks, right? We don't want to just think we know. We want to know that what we do is going to have an impact because we've already been devastated by this crisis, right? So, we want to make sure that we're providing that training and that support so they can do they can do good things that actually have an impact. One of the last things I'll share and then I'll leave it to questions because I know there are many. Um, we also want to have an evaluation process built into this because we want to demonstrate that this works. We don't want to just throw a bunch of money out into the community and say, "Well, we did our job." We want to say, "Here's all the things we funded. Here are all the outcomes we identified. Here's what worked really well. Here's where maybe we had some lessons learned and we like to do things differently. The goal of that would be to support sustainability. Maybe it can't be funded by settlement dollars forever. There these money, these dollars aren't going to be around forever, but it builds their capacity to show effectiveness to other funding streams. So, this is a way for us to tackle innovative approaches, things that other grant dollars might not cover. There are limitations with state and federal dollars, but these dollars can be relatively unrestricted based on what's allowable in the opioid uh remediation strategies in exhibit E, which is also included in your packet. There's a lot of confusion around what does it cover, what doesn't it cover. Um, candidly speaking, I've been working in this space around opiate settlements basically since they announced the settlements were coming. Uh, this is something that's near and dear to my heart. I have nothing to gain from it beyond just a an absolute passion to support our community members and and really make an impact and and bring down the numbers of families and individuals that are affected by this disease. Um so

with that I'm going to pause here. We've got 13 minutes left for questions. Fire away. Go ahead. Thank you. Thank you for your presentation. Definitely appreciate you coming. So, um, mine are going to be blue packet specific. Um, I know you said that the orange packet is a multi-year decision, whereas the blue packet is just for one year.

Um, and I've tried to get through as much as I could with this. Um, I guess my first question is, this is just for the record, with both of these agreements. Um, the city attorneys have already reviewed both of these agreements, correct? Have you had an opportunity to look at them? Madam Chair, I am I do not have an answer to that question. Okay. I h I have personally have not seen them. Okay. Um let's see. Uh with the invite only, um will the city council or the administration someone get a copy of the list uh of who the invite only people are?

Yeah, if that's something that you'd like to see. Absolutely. Okay. And then I know that you said there might be some organizations that are going to get an invitation that serve other areas other than Flint. What are the controls in place to make sure that these dollars only go to Flint residents?

So I think the the challenge with that is all of the agencies and organizations uh we can't necessarily control to ensure that a certain pot of money is only used for those. But the the focus would be to ensure that it's specifically for those that serve the greatest amount of Flint residents. So we would have a control for that. We'd want to see data to demonstrate, show me the number of people you're serving that live in the city of Flint. Show me the number of residents you're serving. If that number's low, then they're not eligible. So the target would be to make sure that we're we're providing support for for organizations and agencies that primarily serve residents. But we also see a lot of people come into the city that don't live here and have issues. And so we want to also alleviate that burden that we see coming into the city. So there's value in supporting not just residents, but also supporting organizations that serve those that live in the outside area because of that traffic that drives into the city.

Okay. And I see you have um dollars set aside for bereavement funds, which I think is absolutely an excellent idea. 100% applaud that. Is there a check and balance for that? So you're going to give the 75,000 to the organization. So is there um do you have parameters in place to see so you're giving them 75,000. So are you saying with this 75,000 um a family cannot exceed 2,000 or 3,000? Like how are you making sure that these dollars will be uh have the most impact but then also serve who needs to be served? And then my second followup to that is, can families get funding more than once? Because we do have a lot of families who may lose more than one loved one to addiction.

Yeah, both great questions. I think the parameters of how those dollars will be allocated will really uh be left up to both Voices for Children and Ellie's Place uh when they apply. This is an invitation. They're not forced to take it if they don't want to. Uh but really this is something that we'd like for them to create and to develop a specific support program for people who are impacted by the opiate epidemic. They they're likely already serving a a great amount. Um so I don't want to speak for them in terms of how they would do that because I don't have all of the finite details of their inner workings of of how they run their programming. But there will be controls for that to understand that. I am going to use a word that is going is very difficult to do when you have families that are in the middle of opioid crisis and they're in the middle of someone who has overdosed and unfortunately passed away as a result of that overdose. But uh with that my only concern there is the equity of that, right? Um what happens again when one family is chosen they they're going to get $2,000 and another family is going to get $5,000. Like what is the check and balance in place to decide? everyone either gets the same amount across the board or these are the specific you know um parameters in which you might get more allocated to you and then also with that allocation is it this family even though you might have more than one family member who has someone who passes away are um you still can only get this one pot so you now have a child who's an orphan mom and dad both pass away there's no way for that child to um bury that parent but so does it become okay if dad passed away first you're only getting money for dad or is it we're going to give money for mom and dad? I'm just those are kind of things I'm wondering with this bereavement fund of how that's going to work. But we'll move on because you said that that'll kind of be up to the organizations and I got to hurry up because I'm on other people's time. Um with the process of over your your overview process, I'm just wondering how much of that process

will the city be made aware of because I'm looking at uh when we get down to like proposals and submission. Is it that we'll just if we're getting anything, is it that we'll just get one whole thing with your timeline on there or is it um as things move or after things move? I just want to know what the notification process will be if there will be a notification process of how you're moving through that.

That's a great question. I think um that's something that we can design together. I I think being this our first time to really chat through this and how we'd like it to look, um I think we're happy to share information in a timely fashion of your choosing. Um in terms of the allocation process, in terms of data collection, we do have a quarterly report built in. So you guys will have an understanding of how things are going. So it won't be a, oh, we gave you this money and then a year later, I wonder what happened. There'll be regular updates. So you'll be aware of the data collection, what the data is showing. Um obviously anytime I think another beautiful thing about this is we want to make sure we elevate the fact that this is an effort that the city has put in place that these dollars it's not something that the coalition is doing. We're helping support it and provide that program administration and funding process, but really we want to elevate the fact that you guys made this possible, that this is something that the city is doing. And so I think we can co-create what that that uh transparent process looks like so we're all comfortable.

All right. And this is um my my final question because again my colleagues do have questions as well. And then I'm I'm I'm wrapping it up. J um and I see that there are some more but I was trying to like listen and read and write at the same time. But then my final one is the evaluation committee. How is the evaluation committee going to be chosen? Has it already been chosen? What's the criteria for that committee? So, we'd like to work with Michigan State University to be an evaluation partner given their extensive history in the community. We've already uh had wonderful long-standing partnerships with them and other evaluation capacities. Um, so we'd really like to give that work to them. Uh, I will say that is really more well reflected in the multi-year plan. Um, it's very difficult to do a short-term evaluation and show kind of the outcomes that we're looking for. Um, and so the evaluation on the one-year plan really more so looks like us pulling together the data, sharing both qualitative and quantitative data to measure impact um, and demonstrate that this works. Um, but like I said, there is more robust information about evaluation in that multi-year plan.

And thank you. And Madam Chair, before I yield my time, I do want to make a motion that we add 15 more minutes because I did know we were going to run into this problem with several people having questions. Okay, there's a motion on the floor to add an additional 15 minutes to the discussion item. Is there support? Support. It's supported by the councilman councilwoman in the second ward. Um in excuse me, roll call vote, I guess, because we won't do all favor and then I yield. Mr. L. Alamine is not in. Dr. Lewis, yes. Miss Johnson, yes. Miss Priestley, yes. Miss Winfrey Carter, yes. Miss Burns,

yes. Miss Michette, yes. Mr. Feifer is not in. Mr. Jared, yes. Seven yes, zero no. The vote is seven yes, zero no. So, we now have 20 minutes and 47 seconds. Madam Chair, I miss Dr. Lewis. Huh? Okay, 21 is fine. Um, Dr. Lewis had asked for the floor. Go ahead, Dr. All right. Thank you, Madam Chair. All right. So, a few things the um one of the things that you said was about Michigan State for evaluation. So, in Michigan State, are they the only entity that does evaluation in the city of Flint?

I I would imagine not. They're just the ones that we've utilized the most. Uh they've also been an excellent partner through the Recast grant as well. So, we just have established relationships that would make it more timely to get it up and running. So we're not kind of having that like getting to know you phase.

Okay. So as an evaluator with with a PhD in that it kind of giving me a little pause because we want to make sure that this is fair and so we just don't want selected partners already pre-selected. We want everyone to get opportunity to work and and and what if University of Michigan would do a better job than Michigan State. So, it'd be a great idea for individuals to have an opportunity to apply to be able to um you know to contribute to these effective dollars. And so, um I I really would like that to be rethought.

And then when we go on to the invited list slashthe control list, so how do you select or who you're going to invite? So, I think it it's a lot easier on the treatment provider side because there's a smaller list. Um, so all of the treatment providers in the county will be invited to apply, but we're only able to give two awards. Only able to give two awards because we've controlled the number of dollars that we're trying to push out here. If we wanted to utilize more of the settlement dollars, we could make it a larger pool. Um this is just an example of how to we're kind of trying to fit everything into one box under a small budget. Um but all the treatment providers that are licensed and credentialed and certified that serve the residents of the city of Flint will be invited but as the proposal is listed currently only two will be awarded.

Okay. So I guess again I have an issue with just a special invite list. So, so you're saying that you have uh you have a a a pre-selected list of invited applicants that you're going to invite to apply for these monies. Yes. And that's really to ensure that they have a good standing history, that they're working well with other community partners. Again, we've had a task force specifically bringing together all of the known players in the community that are working on this issue and we want to make sure that okay, we're not giving it out to those that are kind of just coming in.

Okay. Well, well, let me add this on behalf of those that are just coming in. You know, we have a lot of people that have not been um I guess on the um I mean, they're brand new. you know, they they see a need and they want to jump in the game and they have brand new ideas and so I don't think that's fair for them to be cut out because they have not been established or working for years. It need to be some space. So new organizations, new people, new we have new graduate, we have people coming home want to get involved and they should have an opportunity to be invited or or be selected and by this invite this is saying that that's not happening. I I'll I'll just jump in there to say that that the the 10 $25,000 for the grassroots group that's really intended for those upandcomers that have really great ideas, maybe aren't at the level of some of the more established organizations, but we want to help build their capacity. We want to help show effectiveness. So maybe this year, maybe this round, they're a $25,000 grassroots award, but coming back next year or the year after, they've really boosted their capacity. They're doing more. or they're demonstrating solid outcomes, then they graduate potentially to that larger list where they're more competitive for that $125,000 award. Again, these are just numbers we've come up with based on the small allocation amount. We can customize this however you want to because the settlement dollars that the city of Flynn has been awarded are insurmountable. It's a large pool of funding. So I don't want us to get stuck on the limitation of number of organizations or or who will be at the table because you can choose to allocate more dollars. We can choose to allow a wider pool. Uh this is just a very narrow scope because of the limitation of the dollars we're asking for just to kind of get started.

Okay. So my other question is um so we have um office of public health. So what role are they playing in making this come to fruition? Are you do you currently work with them on this initiative? We've had conversation. Um I know that there has been some settlement funds allocated to support the office of public health. Um we have good working relations with the staff of that office. Um we're absolutely uh willing to make this a collaborative joint effort. Um so so you said wiggling so you haven't done so yet. So we've we've had conversation but there's no work that's really happened yet. So, it's really just a conversation between teams.

Okay. So, um Okay. So, are you aware that our public health office um has an opioid plan and partners? I'm not aware of the plan, but I know they've been working in this space to to ramp it up.

Okay. Yeah. Well, I highly want to invite you to um to reach out to our public health um navigators uh our director of that office because she's been working in this space and um yeah, she's been working in this space and I definitely would like to hear more about the review committee when it's time because I see that it's been going to be comprised of um representatives from the greater Flynn Health Coalition and other community stakeholders which is real quick before I um acquest the floor. So what are who are the stakeholders the other community stakeholder that you're referring to?

So those are to be identified. Um ideally they would be folks that are representing the city of Flint. So they're either working or residents of that have a vested interest in this space. We want to make sure whoever's on that review committee understands what they're reviewing. Right? We don't want to bring people to the table that don't understand prevention, treatment, recovery. We want to make sure that it's fair, unbiased, that they have experience and knowledge coming into that. So the vote, the review process is fair. Um, and so that that's really to be determined. There'll be a a request for those who are interested and then they'll be selected based on that.

Thank you. Um, and this will be put out, is it citywide? The request be put out citywide or is it going to be a special invite as well? I think it'll be put out. There'll be a small number of uh invitations for specifically community members and then the others will be by invitation. Um again based on those partners, those folks that we know from the community uh and from organizations and agencies that have the experience and knowledge to make good uh like rooted decisions that are going to enforce like

Okay. So, um, I'm going to pass the time, but just so you know where I stand, I don't like gatekeeping. And so, it it sounds like it's who we choose, who we select, and when we have a community of people, talented people, qualified people, and I want those that want to help, those that want to be a part, I want them to have an opportunity to at least be uh to have the option to apply and to be at the table and not just those that are on the invited list. So, thank you. That's my time.

Thank you, Miss Burns. Thank you. Um, thank you and welcome and thank you uh, former Senator uh, Anick for being here. Um, I do want to say I have been asking and I appreciate this is got this is a comprehensive opioid plan because it's even dealing with some categories that we need to get into um, getting all this material right now. I'm a reader and I like I literally read and take notes and so but thank you for providing it. Um so one of the questions is um the bereavement only is for children. Is that correct? That's the starting point. Yes.

Okay. So it's only for children and it is not burial. It is for counseling services to get them through to make sure um it you know because they've seen a lot. Yes. You know when you're having a a parent who is a drug addicted parent. Yes. Um, so with that part as I was reading it, then my other questions I'm going to try to be, we could actually do three, four, five hours on this to be honest with you because it is just that serious in our community.

Um, so the um, one of my concerns is you said it's not everyone just and you're with the county a Jese County Coalition, which means it's a county project, correct? So, we're the Greater Flint Health Coalition. Greater Flint. Okay. Yep. Yep. But you take everyone that comes in and so we do we do a lot at the Greater Health Coalition. So, um I Yes. Uh but we have specialized targeted projects that focus on certain populations.

So, one of the things that you state and I'm not against you. Let me state I know you know I I am not and I'll call Senator Anin later to Ben Desir to no end. So um when we have what percentage so if you have a program is there a percentage that um for that program that they have to have is there a target number of residents like 75% 60% of their um who receive the these funds have to be um Flint residents. Is that a requirement? Absolutely. Do we have like so is it is it per agency or is it just a overall

I would say for the purposes of of these dollars we should certainly control for that that they can demonstrate that they are residents of the city of Flint um or have lived in the city of Flint. Um I think to the other point that was brought up about I think of the same effect. We just also want to be cognizant that so many people travel into the city and I think it is beneficial to serve those folks as well because we want to make sure that they're well cared for and that they're not. So we're saying for the the addicts who may come to the city to get their drugs and they go back out to the suburbs or perhaps they have an overdose here. So yeah,

they come in, they have an overdose, we want to make sure that we can get them the help that they need while they're here and send them back home so they can be well. So, you're only asking for a million. I think the last time I checked, we had six million or so in opioids fund, opioid funds, and 30% of our opioids funds can be used for something other than treatment, prevention, intervention, which I don't like that because I would like for it to be used to help addiction. I don't like that it's been siphoned off of at all.

Not at all. Um my other question is um are there any other like funds that for the program are you leveraging other funds and what are some of the funds or agencies um that you have? Absolutely. Thank you for asking that question. So I can say uh that we have been in communication with the with Jennese County. They also have a large uh allocation of opiate settlement dollars. Um, I've been in constant communication with them over the past few years. Um, and they're very interested in having a collaboration have a bigger impact.

And I'm and I'm going to and I'm not being rude. Please don't I don't want to give them this is my last. So, what is the total amount to fund all of this? So, in the in the because you're only asking us for a million. In the blue packet, there's a million. In the orange packet, it's 6.325 over five years. Okay. So, we I wanted to build it out larger so you guys could have an idea of what this would look like beyond the scope of one year if you wanted to make it a longer term approach as a way to get these dollars out into the community.

So, I have more questions, but I'm going to yield my time. I will be calling you. So, be prepared, Senator Annic, because I've had I had a ton of Thank you for your time and thank you for making sure this was comprehensive because a lot of the things that people don't see um we we see them on social media that people slumped over a wheel or in my uh neighborhood found dead at a church on the church steps and then the girlfriend was found behind the building. But this is covering this is comprehensive. Thank you for taking this time. We may need some tweaks, but thank you for that. Thank you, Miss Johnson. Can I say something first if you don't mind? Go ahead.

I mean, I think to the point you just made about tweaks. I mean, obviously, we put together a proposal, but it's a partnership and it's it it's it's your dollars that came in through the settlement dollars. So, if there are changes or things that need to be addressed, you know, whether it's one year or five years, the point would be we want to address and adapt. if we see something that's not being done. It's not about trying to gatekeep it or anything like that, legitimate points, but it's about trying to take the dollars that were suggested to us for a million and and for the first batch to try to make sure that they go as effectively and as far as they can, but it's not about, you know, we would learn and and we want to work together on trying to make sure that they're going as best as possible and most efficiently as possible for for residents of Flynn. I I just wanted to make sure I said that because you guys have brought up some great questions and great points and I don't want to take your time, Councilwoman. So, I just wanted to just say that real quick. Thank you.

I just Good afternoon. I just have one question. Um, how how specifically are you going to help the Flint residents? How specifically are we going to help Flint residents? So, that's a loaded question. I can see why you only have one.

So, our plan to help Flint residents is by making sure dollars get into organizations and agencies that provide services that support Flint residents. We want to build their capacity. I think a lot of the challenges that we see in grant funding that's available right now outside of opiate settlement has restrictions. And so there are really great things that they can do, but they aren't allowed to do because the funding doesn't cover it. So by allocating these dollars to these different entities and and grassroots community groups as well, we're making sure that we're filling the gaps and addressing those barriers and even looking at new solutions that can support Flint residents. So, it's it's a very broad question with a lot of different multiaceted uh answers, but that's kind of the best way to package it. We really want to make sure that we're doing things differently and and leaning into the things that work. Uh because we know that people are dying daily. People are overdosing, families are torn apart. We want to make sure that we're reducing the the likelihood of that and we're changing generational cycles so people aren't having those experiences and then ending up in the county jail and then going back into the community and going through that cyclical process. We want to break the cycle of addiction in families and giving these dollars out to community partners that that are doing these effective things is the best way we know how.

Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Go ahead, Miss Blick Carter. Thank you, Madam Chair. Welcome. Um, I I just have a couple of questions. What is the timeline for um for program roll out once you get the funds? Sure. And I guess you have other funds that you're working with as well, right?

Yes. So, uh, our timeline really once this becomes an official project if when, um, we'd we'd like, uh, at least two months to build the RFP process. And then we want to make sure there's ample time for our partners to be notified. Um, we want to have some time to provide those workshops for our community partners, especially at the grassroots grassroots level, so they can have time to digest and learn. Um, and so I would say about three months of just building up, preparing, making sure the community is informed, and then we'd like to issue that the RFP process and have things up and running. I would say with, if we're thinking about this from a quarter by quarter perspective, by quarter two, we'd have applications in hand. By quarter three, they'd be up and running and allocating dollars. And those are very, very loose estimates. It could be faster than that, but I don't want to overpromise and underdel. And you and you guys will make sure that the council um knows every step of what's going on, right?

Absolutely. Yeah. We don't want any surprises now. Okay. Um once the initial $1 million is expended, what mechanisms do you have in place um to sustain um this project or whatever is going on with with this after the million dollars? Sure,

that's a great question. Um, ideally we'd have more than one year because that's really just a drop in the bucket when you're thinking about making long-term change. Um, so what I can say in a one-year time frame is we will turn that data over to the partners that receive the dollars. So they have the evidence, they have the the hard data that shows here's what we did with these dollars that the city of Flint gave us. Here's how we've improved our capacity. Here's the impact we made. and then we're willing to come alongside of them and help identify other funding streams. Okay? So, we want to make those warm handoff connections, support them, um provide any kind of technical assistance with grant writing and and whatnot, introduce them to other partners. Um but really from a sustainability standpoint for us, our our whole goal is to get the city of Flint dollars out into the community to help to help make that happen. And so from a sustainability once that's done, our role is done and hopefully we've we've boosted capacity and made an impact.

Right. Okay. That sounds good, Madam Chair. I'll yield. Okay. Um Madam Chair, go ahead, Mr. Chair. Um good evening. Hi. If if I understood, you're saying it might be two quarters to sort of ramp up to to get between, you know, your your first quarter where you're setting the framework uh issuing the RFP RFP being received or the responses and then that third quarter is when the actual servicing would begin is what I'm sort of these are very I understand. That's probably an overstatement.

I'm sort of getting to this point. So, should we be if the actual servicing might be six months out and we're talking about a one-year project, should we maybe be talking about a 18-month project to give the servicesers time to provide the service? because even at that point, if I'm understanding the proposal correctly, only a hundred thou or at most $100,000 would have been used in that first two months for your administrative uh needs. So, it really we really aren't getting to the to the larger portion of helping or or serving persons directly until months, you know, five, four, five, six. Uh, so might we look at might we need to look at the actual

length of the the contract or allow for time to for the providers to provide service beyond what could be just six months. I agree with you. I think I was being a little generous with the timeline. I don't doubt that it could take that and I appreciate you being conservative so to speak.

Yes. Yeah. The overpromise and underdel is the absolute worst. Um, I think a longer time frame does make sense in terms of doing this the right way. Another thing that I don't like to do is rush through things just for the sake of getting it done. So, we want to get this right. Um, and there's no reason to rush through it. So, if we have some flexibility on timeline, I think that's a benefit to everybody involved. Um, so we're we're certainly not married to a one-year timeline or an 18. Like, whatever makes sense, whatever we all feel comfortable with is what we want to go with.

Okay. And and my other question sort of follow up to one of the questions asked earlier and it was asked sort of to our council or to our uh attorney. Have have you provided this packet to the administration for them to review prior to tonight? So we we've had conversation over the years. I've had conversation with other legal officials from the city over time. Things obviously have changed. Um but we would welcome the opportunity to to have that conversation and make sure they're comfortable. But for them to have seen the outline of what's being proposed in this in this um agreement in this particular agreement

they have not been provided with this. All right to my yeah we'll have more opportunity to ask questions as we get into the resolution. So I'm going to conclude that special order and close that out and go on to our consent agenda. Is there a motion to approve the cons or to send the consent agenda to council? Is there support? Support. It's been moved by the counciloman in the seventh ws, seconded by the council woman in the second ward. Is there any separation? Madame chair. Yes, ma'am. I'd like to separate 25352-t. I'd like to separate uh 2550335-t.

Hold on. Hold on. I'm in the wrong agenda. What was the first one that you had separated? 25352-T. Okay. 25335-t. Okay. Um, there's one more, but if they let it go, I'm let it go. Thank you. Are there any others?

Yes, madam chair. Um, I would like to separate 350350. Okay, there any others? Hearing none, the consent agenda will consist of 2550349 Burger Chevrolet my deal contract, two 3/4 ton pickup trucks for the water plant, and 2550351 for um La Fontaine Ford, five Corggo, five Ford cargo vans for the water service center. Roll call vote, please. Mr. L. Alamine is not in. Dr. Lewis,

yes. Miss Johnson, yes. Miss Priestley, yes. Miss Winfrey Carter, yes. Miss Burns is not in. Miss Machet, yes. Mr. Feifer is not in. Mr. Jared, yes. You have six yes, zero no. The vote is six yes, zero no. Those resolutions will be sent to council. And now our first separation is 2550352 uh allocation of opioid settlement funds Greater Flint Health Coalition. I will entertain a motion. Madam Chair. Yes. Go ahead. I move that we send this resolution to council.

Is there support for the purpose of discussion? Support. Okay. It's been moved by the um councilwoman in the second word. supported by the councilwoman in the seventh ward. Madam, is there any discussion? Go ahead. Thank you. Um, if they could join us at the lect turn again. Once again, come on up. Um, and again, hi. Welcome back. Thank you.

Long time no see. So, just really quickly, and I do thank you for the uh correction on the bereavement again. I was moving through it quickly and I was thinking that's crazy. I've never known those organizations to pay for death benefits, but if they're going to do it, let's do it. So thank you for the correction on that and if at any point in time trust me thick skin up here so feel free to correct if something is incorrect that way we know what we are supporting or not actually supporting um I do understand that you've given us two options here right uh and because we literally have just gotten both of these options just now I'm sure this is a wonderful orange packet um but I because I haven't even had a chance to look at it I do want us to just and also I I agree with my colleague that 18 months would make more sense to give everyone an opportunity to really um see what this could be with you managing it. I don't want you to short change yourself and it not be um the best that it can be only because you had to rush through services. So, I do want us to uh fix that for sure in our resolution of um it being at least 18 months. And I want us to just do this um with 18 months first as opposed to agreeing for 6 something million over time. Let's I want us to see how the 18 months work um with how this is moving forward. And then also uh I think another thing and I have not had a chance to look at this orange packet. So I say this having not looked at the orange packet but like in in the blue packet we currently have you know invite only for and I'm assuming that this is invite only for like the 18 months and then after that you'll go with other services or if maybe that orange packet is saying again have not had a chance to look at it. Um, so I I do know that the organization you represent does amazing work in our community for our community. I have no doubt that you would be able to properly manage these dollars. Um, I think there was something else that I did want to point out for my colleagues that was at

the end of our uh resolution specifically for that and it's just that the be it resolved part that the Greater Flint Health Coalition shall collaborate with the city administration and the Office of Public Health to develop programs that are in alignment with the opioid settlement remediation requirements and provide quarterly spending reports. And I do know that my colleague in the second w highlighted that for a specific reason, but I wanted her to know um that uh that is covered because I do understand her concerns, but I wanted her to know that um in this resolution we are making sure that we are included in that. Um and then it also says and provide quarterly spending reports related to the program. I think my colleague in the fifth ward raised a very good point, right? Because those quarterly spending reports are going to come and to whom are they going to come? Right? Are we actually going to see this? because once we say yes, we do want to know what is happening, how it's happening, and we want to keep be kept a breast of it. Uh we do have um several um residents who come and they speak to the opioid crisis and what's happening and we do have one in particular. And so we do know that there will be a lot of questions with how this works out. I do like the grassroots component of giving um others the opportunity that are doing the work in the community who are not a part of larger organizations. Uh I just have one question with how this could possibly work though. Say this is a smaller organization, right? And you do require and I noticed it says that they will have to have a fidiciary, right? So smaller organization, they're doing great work in the community, but they don't have a fidiciary. Is it a conflict of interest for you to serve as their fidiciary? It is, but we could support in pairing them.

Okay, understood. I just wanted to put that out there ahead of time just in case someone didn't have one and they were thinking, well, maybe you could do it. So, that is a conflict of interest for you to serve as got that. Um, and then I will yield for now. We have another round. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else in the first round? M. Go ahead. Sure. Thank you.

All right. So um so going back to that part where I um where my colleague pointed out who you are supposed to work with where it says that you are to work with um the city administration office of public health as she stated. Um but to hear that I guess that you all haven't worked with them when you were putting this together is a little concerning cuz you're saying that this is for you to work with them but it looks like input wasn't given when you guys were putting this together. You just said conversations were had and so I would think that since this is going to be a collaboration among the two that you would already be working and talks with her. I'm I'm surprised I don't see her here today. I did speak with her before we came into the meeting.

You spoke with her? Yes. Yeah. So she she used to work for our organization. We have a strong working relationship. Um and I and before that I worked with Faith um who was the previous director. We have a long-standing history. We have good partnership. Um, so just because we haven't specifically spoken about this proposal as you see it in front of you that was built based on previous conversation, previous uh needs that we were in agreement that needed to happen. So I understand. Yeah. Yeah. But we're here today and so so the goal is to make sure that we're up to date and so working with who's in office now so we can get the answers that we need now.

And so that's my concern. So, just seeing that this these are the people that we're supposed to work with. Let's go ahead and work with them um and pull this all together because you can't really bring this to us in good faith when you haven't worked with just had conversations. Not talking about conversations about you actually working with the people that's supposed to be making it come to fruition cuz you are asking for historic a million dollars. Okay? So, it might be a drop in the bucket to some municipality, but that's a lot here and we just want to make sure that we are off to the right start. So if this is saying that we must work with them, then it'll be good to see them at the table when all of this is being put together.

Yeah, I agree with you. I think it's important that we avoid duplication and have strong roles set in place so we're all working towards the same goal. And I think that's really the next step is figuring out what is that role of of everyone that comes to the table. Um, and that's certainly the next step is once we really today is here's a template, here's a draft of what we've come of what we put together now, where do we go from here? And so I appreciate you raising that point. Um, and that's a strong next step that we can take to make sure that we can stand behind that now and not in a future sense. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Madam Chair, go ahead.

Thank you. So, um, Faith was magnificent and she had a passion. Um, it was personal to her how we used our opioid dollars. As a matter of fact, she protested with her own sign, you know, make sure we cautiously spend our opioid funds. She did. Um, and so you've worked with her and you've worked with um, Shebra. Shebra taught me how to use Narcan. Told me I won't kill anyone if I use it. And she did a wonderful job. Uh what is your relationship with Shebra? Um Miss Ward Prior because she's so knowledgeable. She just did one of my community meetings and she answered every question and um informative made me feel comfortable and what is your relationship? She is our public network but she's covering so much

that she can only do so much. Absolutely. So uh Sheba and I work together as colleagues at the Greater Flint Health Coalition. um first as colleagues. Uh so I've um I'm also the director of mental health and substance use initiatives in addition to the senior program director for the mid Michigan community health access program. Shebra worked uh within the mid Michigan community health access program um and I was her direct supervisor uh for just under a year. So we've had a close working relationship uh both as colleagues and then um in a supervisor uh capacity. So, I would say we have a strong working relationship. Um, and I think we would work together very well. Okay.

And Council Burns, I also had a tremendous working relationship with her. Still do. She had an interest in going into the policy side. A lot of folks in public health, as you know, like they do the practitioner side, but they don't always have this much experience in the policy side. So I actually kind of helped work with her on we were actually working on that when she took the job with you guys which I'm very happy about as a kind of a that's the f the area that I have the experience in. So I was working

I'm happy she's here too. uh she's she's tremendous and we have a great relationship and we work with her and the team well and one of the things that we'd be also you know obviously informally we're not asking for anything for it is you know use our use our resources our program to help supplement and build up the public health department at Shebra and the team can can use us to help with our you know our team will work majority of our folks we work with the front residents so I mean use us as a resource not just in this but in other things as well because we're all trying to help the people of Flint And uh we're stronger together than we are except working in silos. And I think we do a good job of that.

I and I agree that it is going to take because we've had opioid dollars for a while. Opioid dollars were sought underneath um former mayor Dr. Karen Weaver. Um and it actually came to fruition that we did receive them. Um because of, you know, she has the insight to say, "Hey, you know what? As mayor of the city of Flint, I'm going to make sure we put in uh for these funds and we are getting the funds." Um making sure they're spent wisely is something that is important. I will say working with Shebra. Um what is the intricate? So, so are you like your meetings like how are you how do you collaborate with her? So, because she left me and came to you, I haven't had the opportunity as much as I used to.

Well, look, I'm glad she came, though. Yeah. And I I think this is a wonderful space for her, and I'm so happy for her to have this robust role with the city of Flint. I think that was an excellent hire by you guys. Um, so I think for Shebra, um, the collaboration with the health coalition will be seamless, and I think it'll be a kind of a jump back in. Um, I think we've we're always a great team. Uh, not just with me, but other members of my team and at the health coalition. Um, so I think once we're ready to really move forward, it's just activation mode again.

Okay. Because that's one of the things making sure that um with her uh she she's nonbiased. She's like, I'm here to do my job, you know, and then to make sure that we're sewing those two uh pieces of fabric with one thread so that we're helping the community together and making sure that she's giving and letting your organization know from this side. Um, this is what we need. Although I know you're here to know and I didn't know that you had your credentials. I didn't know that. I've never met with you before. Um, and so again, so I I appreciate as we're asking these questions, you're telling us, but we have a serious problems, a serious problem, and I don't want these funds. We should have We should have did this when we we should have been prepared to have this before we got the funds. We should have had a plan in place, a comprehensive opioid plan. Should have been did this. And so I'm not really I'm not going to drag my feet on this. There's some small tweaks. I'm going to bend your ear. Um, and I appreciate it. and I'm going to yield the floor. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Madam Chair, go ahead, Mr. Jarrett. Thank you again. Uh, thank you all for being here. I I can and do appreciate what I consider the thought put into the outline with the scope of work. It it appears that um you all have given thought and are giving thought and consideration to providing opportunities for a range of service providers. Yes sir.

So you have your you know your SUD agencies. You also are looking to work with community-based organizations and you even have built in for those grassroots organizations to begin to build some capacity. So I I'm I'm really appreciating that and then the bereavement support that um to for many of us and myself included, we may not give thought necessarily to how do we support those that are and have survived. Um so I really I really like uh what I see here. um and to see you know some of the the information again uh my colleague pointed out that in our resolution it speaks to quarterly reports uh on programming spending and uh appropriate outcome metrics. Can you help me to envision what outcomes could look like

especially given HIPPA consideration? What what might we expect to get by way of outcomes under you know with those those limitations potentially?

I really appreciate that question as a data nerd. So thank you for opening that. Um so outcomes and outputs are very different right? We can say we distributed a thousand flyers that told people the signs of opioid overdose. That's an output, right? That's that's something I handed somebody. Outcomes are number of people that we were able to get into treatment, number of people who had a uh a ride to recovery, number of people who were connected to some sort of support service. Um and then furthermore number of people who successfully completed treatment who are successfully completed a program with your point to HIPPA and uh some other treatment related uh rules and regulations we won't be providing identified data. It'll all be deidentified. So these will be numbers. These will be outcomes that are uh related to successful uh entry, completion, connection. Um, but we'll certainly track outputs as well. We do want to know like how many educational resources were distributed, how many events were held, right? So, we're going to be tracking the that in a in a wide array of ways. Also looking at success stories, so actual qualitative data, having people share because the city of Flint invested in this organization, I was able to access this and this changed my life in that way. We want to look at that data as well because we know that has a greater impact in some in some cases than the number, right? It's one thing for someone to be a number, but a story can be that deciding factor between it's a no for me and a yes, we're going to sustain your program because we see that it works.

Okay. Like I say, I'm I'm I'm liking what I'm seeing and um the thought that has been invested on your side. I I do feel for for me and a vote tonight. I'm probably going to I'm going to need more time before the yes tonight. Um, but I I'm I'm feeling I'm liking the direction that that this uh seeming partnership uh could could be going in. So, thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. I yield. Thank you. Anyone else?

I'll take a few minutes. You and I had a long conversation on the phone ranging in multiple topics. Um, as I've been quite vocal with, um, I've had family members addicted to opioids, um, in recovery from over 30 years to just over a year, like a month over a year. And, um, a one year doesn't do much um, to look for a positive, sustaining outcome for the addicted. Um, I do like the fact that you didn't neglect the children, but it's not just those who have lost parents. It's those who have ended up in foster care even though they've been reunited,

family members going through, you know, they they lost their children, you know, all of them. One was born addicted. Um, and to me that recovery is so difficult for the children anyway. They're all impacted by it, especially those who are on the east side. I get calls about children living with their addicted parents in a garage and I hear that CPS goes out and there's no children. No child there. How can we save that child?

That's that that gets me. And so, um, the children are a big thing. And I'm also not a big fan of um changing one addiction to another. Um methadone is not my favorite thing. It helps, but then you've got to get off of that, too.

And so it's it's not that's my personal feelings. I've had long discussions with other providers, not even in this county, about these issues and my feelings and they've shared their feedback. They're not all that confident, but it does work in some cases. So, I'm not going to just because I don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Um, I don't know that a one year is long enough to get enough data to continue a program. um 18 months I think is a minimum and I know that some people will push back on that. So that's all under negotiation type thing. Um I know that in my sister's case it took nine months before she was out of an inatient treatment out into the world. And this was after six months in jail. So, um, that's why I don't know that a one-year program is the best use and for outcomes to see where our outcomes are going to be. So, that's where I'm at right now. And like like Mr. Jarrett, I can't say yes today,

but we'll definitely continue talking about it. And so, we'll go into the second round, Madam Chair.

Go ahead. Um, so it seems that there are some tweaks and we're literally just talking about the blue packet that should be made because I'm not seeing where it necessarily says one year. I think you all said one year. Does it say any one year specifically because I was trying to find that specific language in here. Either way, um, if we could maybe, and I know a couple of us are going to have conversations and ask more questions. I know it doesn't specifically say one year in there at all. I was looking for that. So, I know that that leaves us some room. I was reading our resolution. Our resolution doesn't give a timeline either. So, if maybe we could um send this to special affairs instead of um attempting to send this to council tonight only because again there are questions. We still need to read over this more. And so I think this gives us an opportunity between now and Monday to read over this, ask more questions, also for you all to um give the administration and our attorneys an opportunity to really go over this and look and then um give us an opportunity to decide if on Monday if there are some uh specific changes we need to change our resolution to a 0.1 or if we just scrap this resolution and get a whole new one. So um I make a motion that we send this to special affairs. There's a motion on the floor to send to special affairs. Is there support?

It's been moved and properly seconded to send to special affairs by this council woman in the second ward. Roll call, please. Dr. Lewis, yes. Miss Johnson, yes. Miss Priestley, yes. Miss Winfrey Carter, yes. I know. Miss Burns. Yes. Miss Michette. Yes. Mr. Feifer is not in. Mr. Jarrett, no. Mr. L. Alamine is not in. You have six yes, one no. The vote is six yes, one no. That would go special affairs on Monday, Madam Chair.

Yes. Do you can we make a request for them to return for special affairs? Just did you have to do it? Yeah. Thank you very much. Can I can I say one thing? Yeah, go ahead.

I think one thing I want to make sure we make clear to, you know, um this is just a proposal. There still have to be a contract signed. So to to Dr. Lewis's point about working with the public health department, especially the director, that all would have to be worked out. This is just when we were asked to come forward with a proposal for a million dollars, this is what we had. So we would work the details out if if you know mentioning about you know uh quarterly reports if there's an interest in having us come back on a a basis you know whatever that would need to I was a council person. I know sometimes even, you know, sometimes you send information over, sometimes it gets brought up, sometimes it doesn't, but if you want, sometimes it's also better to have questions asked. How's this working? We've heard this maybe sometimes there's misinformation. Sometimes there's community residents who weren't able to get a hold of us and they got a hold of you. They can then be brought over to us to make sure that they're getting the program. There's this is just the beginning convers. It's all good questions, all important things. Uh the proposal was shared with the administration. just whether it was shared with the attorney or not I can't speak to but it was shared with the administration contact person who was reaching out to us about the million but of course we'd have a contract signed too so that would be worked out again at another point in time so thank you

okay thank you thank you very much our next resolution is 2550335 application of proposed budget senior millillage funding Jennese County McKinley center madam chair go ahead um I'd like to make a motion to leave this here in this in finance. Okay. The mot there's a motion on the floor from the councilwoman in the seventh ward to keep this in finance. Is there a second? Second. It's been seconded by the councilwoman in the second ward. This is the vote to keep in finance. Miss Johnson? Yes. Miss Priestley? Yes. Miss Winfrey Carter? Yes.

Miss Burns? Yes. Miss Machete, yes. Mr. Feifer is absent. Mr. Jared, no. Mr. Elamine is absent. Six yes, one no. The vote is six yes, one no. That will be kept in finance and be on our next agenda. Our final separation is 2550350. Flock Group, additional public safety surveillance cameras, burn discretionary grant funds, Flint Police Department, two-year agreement. I'll entertain a motion. Madame Chair, yes, ma'am.

I'll make a motion that we send 2550350-T to council. There is a motion on the floor by the council woman in the fifth ward, supported by the council woman in the seventh ward to to send this to council. Is there any discussion? Yes, madame chair. Um, is there anyone? Booth is here. Booth is here. I see. Yeah. Where is he? He's here. Okay, I see him. Okay, Booth. Detective Booth. How are you? Come on up. Good evening, council.

Good evening. Um can you tell us a little bit about this? And particularly too I wanted to find out um as far as transparency I see you guys are um also asking for another um 31. You're going to put up another 31 cameras. I wanted to find out um where and I know you may not tell us be able to tell us where but can you give us an idea because I know some areas whereas we probably do need more cameras. I've been pushing for cameras throughout this city. So just give us more information on this.

I will answer this if you will allow in this way. Um we've heard the concerns um saying exactly where would defeat the purpose of having uh this network. Uh but we have heard the concerns and I can say that uh those concerns will be addressed with this expansion project.

Okay. Um, so I just want to make sure that we have what we need in those areas that we really need the the cameras. Yes. And you know, we got we got some areas

that we have the the high crime, you know, high crime areas. And so I just want to make sure that more cameras are being put in those areas. Yes. Yes. because to to get 31 more cameras and not put them in the areas that's that's really needed is really defeating the purpose. So, okay, I'll yield. Okay, I might have another question coming up in the second round. Okay, go ahead, Miss Burns.

Thank you. So, my background is cameras and I know people don't like cameras. They don't like them. And I used to when living in Chicago part-time, my tickets with the cameras beat me home always. So with the cameras, this one is a grant for 160,000. Correct. So this is not costing the city. Correct. And then you're taking So 160,500. And then you're getting um from your professional services out of your budget the other 39,000. Is that correct? Correct. Okay. And so how beneficial are cameras?

Uh cameras are extremely beneficial. I will say that uh flot cameras have been responsible in aiding in um bringing good evidence and support of facts as we ship cases over for prosecution and moving them through the uh judicial process. These cameras have provided us with great evidence. um to assist us in these cases that we're pursuing. So, they're extremely important.

So, I and and I know people may not like it's a big brother watching. We can't avoid that now. I mean, we've been doing and I literally for over 25 years have been installing cameras. It's a long time. Um and we look at people with the Ring cameras. Ring cameras are on. I mean, it's the first thing that when you guys have a a case, you know, if you go and ask the neighbor, who's got look who's got a Ring doorbell because that footage is there. Correct. I know we may not like big brothers watching, but it's here. Getting on and off of the expressways um getting on and off of your major thoroughways. Um they have cameras and it's it's here. And it's not just the US, it's other countries also. Um, and so I have always been for cameras. I understand people want their um, privacy, but if you're out in the public, I mean, that's that's different. And as we have issues u hiring at the police department, we we can't have at the height. I think Flint had 400 officers. 400. We don't have maybe just over a hundred now. And so what we have to do is do things that are that are different when we're talking about how do we police and how do we um handle crime. Um I know and I've had many conversations with no you won't let us know where they are but we know where they are. I mean you have never granted us a list but you can't miss them.

Correct. you know, and you just can't. And they are helpful with getting crimes and and helping. Um, I know people don't want their their license plates. Uh, I believe in the state of Michigan, you cannot, although it may capture, it's nothing you can't prosecute with your license plate. Is that correct? That is correct. We uh in Michigan, we cannot write a ticket based on an infraction. These cameras are not monitoring your speed or uh checking to see if you uh disobeyed a stop sign or a traffic light. It's not the kind type of cameras these are.

Uh in Illinois they are correct here. Here they aren't because I've got many a tickets in Illinois. That's why I got the easy pass. So um I know people and I understand people's concern but there's many more people. I come from a background of security cameras, security alarms. Um that's what I I my part of my background and I am for the cameras. it's not costing us um adding to it because we we're able to track. We have an intel center. Um we also ask that our businesses have the green light program where the the cameras are directly go to your feed with the green light on top of them. Um and that's been in about what 10 years?

Yes.

About 10 years. And it shows you're a you've been able to solve crimes. I mean, literally what used to be Club Synokco, now it's Senco Service Station. Well, now Marathon, I take that back. Now Marathon, we're able to uh see what was going on because the cameras with the action plan, able to see, get them re reconnected in 21 to see what was going on. And we don't have the problems like we used to have. And then you also have the Ring cameras. So, I am going to support this. Um, I come from a camera background. I have cameras on my house. So, um, if you don't want to do anything that's criminal, then you got to be careful. It's just cameras are everywhere. It's just technology and so I will be supporting this. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else, Madam Chair? Go ahead. Thank you. Good evening, sir. Good evening. Um, how many cameras do we have currently operating? 61. 62, I'm sorry. 62. 62. Yes. Okay. 62. 62. And I I just heard you to speak that they are not necessarily or they don't aren't used for for traffic and that type of surveillance. Is that we we are not issuing tickets based on what uh the cameras capture. That's not allowable in the state of Michigan.

Okay. Um and I I heard you speak to the fact that these the c the 62 that we have have aided in the prosecution of of some of the cases.

Correct. Okay. Um, what I I guess I'm I and I don't really know how to ask the question because I don't know if you would be able to to really give an answer as to to try to quantify the impact in a way. Um, but okay. Um, so currently they're being the cameras that we have are being used for what type of surveillance?

Well, the cameras that that are deployed throughout the city currently have assisted in cases of homicides, um, missing persons, the recover of abducted individuals, um, drug cases. So they have been instrumental in uh helping provide uh great evidence um in those cases and that's how we're using them. The the cameras that you'll be looking to add, will they provide uh additional technology to broaden the the assistance? Is is it

correct? the 31 uh cameras that we are asking uh uh to implement and add to the system will only broaden our coverage area.

I'm sorry I I didn't I didn't phrase that right. Do they come with new technology that's beyond what we have that will give us a a a capability that the other cameras did? these the the additional cameras will be able to um upload any additional or new technology that flock system offers. So right now when we're bringing them online they will have the same capabilities at as the other cameras that we are we have deployed. Uh but this this technology is emerging on a daily basis. Uh it's getting better, it's getting faster. So those cameras would automatically be able to to accept that upload of any new uh technology that's added to the system.

Okay. Um I'm thank you. Um I yield. Anyone else?

I'm in the first round. I'm going to take some time. Um, so you haven't been in any discussions, I don't think, when I've had them with the um, fire chief or the police chief where I have begged for more cameras in the fourth ward to stop find some of these arsonists, find people who are squatting in these houses, who are doing the drug deals. And so I applaud this, but I also want people to know that business's cameras can be sent. They can tie direct, you guys can tie directly into those businesses cameras, no cost to either party. That's correct.

And so if you are a business owner and are considering upgrading your camera system or maybe you have cameras, check with the police department and your service provider to see if they can connect too because I know of at least one business in the fourth ward that you monitor their cameras all the time. Yes, ma'am. And you have solved crimes. We have.

I've heard about those. So I I I want to That is probably the cheapest way. If you're already going to have cameras to let the police department monitor those as well. So um that was my comment and I'm in favor of this. Any discussion in the second round? Second. Any other discussion on second round? Any discussion on second round? Hearing none, this is a vote to send resolution 2550350 to council. Miss Priestley,

did I say the number wrong? No, I'm doing a roll call. Okay. Miss Priestley. Sorry. Yes. Miss Winfrey Carter? Yes. Miss Burns, yes. Miss Michette, yes. Mr. Feifer is absent. Mr. Jared, yes. Mr. Alamine is absent. Dr. Lewis, yes. Miss Johnson, yes. Seven yes, zero no. The vote is seven yes, zero no. That will be sent to councel. Thank you.

Um, it's now time for our discussion item. 2550357. discussion item is requested by council president Lewis to discuss the city's American rescue plan at our funds. Go ahead, Dr. Lewis. Um, thank you. So, um, through you, Madam Chair, could we please have um, Mr. Phil come to the front? Mr. Moore, you want to um, sure if he Mr. They're trying to figure out how long um 20 minutes 20 minute discussion.

Oh, okay. Hi, Mr. Moore. Um a couple of quick questions about ARPA. So seeing that we had uh a lot of organizations apply for funding across all categories and many have not received word if they are to receive this funding. Um so what are the plans to correspond with these organizations? Um I'm not sure I'm the right person to answer that question. We do have a uh we have been keeping track of uh who's spending because we do have to spend the money by uh 2026.

Mh. And uh so we've been keeping track of who's been spending the money and who has not. The uh the agencies or groups that have not been spending the money, we've been meeting with them to make sure to help them uh you know overcome the hurdles, make sure that they're doing what's needed to spend the money. Uh but uh I think most of them have been done been done a have done a great job. Uh there are a couple that we're we're still working with, but I'm not the one that has been I haven't participated in those meetings, so I can't really answer a lot of the detail questions that you might have.

Okay. Well, I appreciate what you gave because one of my major concerns is u we had a a whole bunch of organizations and they applied for community funding. We set aside almost I'll say a little over 18 million. I know it was like between 18 20 million for community funding and we have not went through all of those requests. And so by us not going through all the requests to tell people yes or no. So my question is so where are we in that process in terms of letting the people that are not going to get money letting them know that they're not going to receive money?

Uh I'm not the person to ask that. I do know that the one money one that was not obligated we uh moved it to the general fund which bought us some time. So we don't the the funds that were uh moved to the the general fund we have more time. We don't have to spend those by 2026 because they are in the eyes of the federal government that is has been obligated. Uh we have we have met their requirements for that. uh the the items that we have uh uh had resolutions before we made the uh the transfer uh those we have to make sure that they get spent by 2026.

Okay. So, um, so I I hear you mention when we transferred the money to the general fund that was so we won't lose it because at that at the period of time we were at a posit time where either we transferred it over to the general fund or it totally goes back to the federal government. Right. Right. Right. Uh, right. And so seeing that it's important to look at um we under the circumstances of we must keep the money in the opera category underneath general funds. That's correct. Right. The uh the general fund we have more flexibility.

Okay. So general fund have more flexibility. However, in the resolution that this council brought forth, it says that in order to spend this money that this body must sign off on it. Correct. That's correct.

Okay. Just wanted to make sure that we were still there. All right. And so, um, I would like to see I would like to have have a list brought up. I know with the councilwoman in the 44 financial chair, she said that she gave us packets and it listed everyone that applied what they applied for and etc. I want to make sure that everyone that are that's going to give funds that they have been told they're going to get funds. those people that are not going to receive funds that they're that they're told because they've been waiting for several years to find out if they're going to receive funds. And I also see I hear that we have other organizations that are waiting to receive funds that been allocated funds, but the funds have not been transferred yet.

Uh I'm not the I can talk to the people that do that, but yes, we can get you that information. Okay, I appreciate that. And I have one more question. Okay. And so and so my other question is regarding the $30,000 um ward allet war funds, right? Yes. Because it was in this past budget when we just passed the 2024 budget. I I think the city council originally adopted that in uh 2022, but they actually spent the money in 2024 25.

Okay. So, um I'm not sure what you're talking about, but what I'm talking about is um it is the budget. Go ahead, um Sheamus. Um through you, Madam Chair.

So, I I I'll be real clear what I'm talking about. So, so when we um passed the budget, the new budget, we passed 2024 budget, it it had that we had ward money allocated in the budget again. And so, this will give every single council member an additional $30,000 to spend in their ward. And so, I just want to follow up on that to see um what we need to do to make that come to fruition since it was already passed in the budget. So, um, looking at I did some research on this and I found the original resolution which spoke to the ward priorities of $30,000 each totaling $270,000. That resolution is resolution number 220464.

That's 220464. That was approved on October 24, 2022. Mhm. So that was approved as part of the overall ARPA spending allocation plan. It took a couple of years until council got to a point of spending that. My understanding was that's a one-time aotment of money to each council ward member to use for their wards. A one-time investment.

Okay. So definitely understand that it may say one time. So when we pass that budget, this 24 budget and they had that spending in there, does that mean that every single council person can get an additional $30,000 to support their ward from these ARPA funds? What one of the issues we we have to be concerned about with the money that was transferred to the general fund is that we can't spend the money twice. Mhm.

And so, uh, even though the the budget says that so much has been appropriated, we're not going to get additional ARPA dollars, so we have to make sure that we don't double spend it because we don't have the funds to do that. In relation to your question, uh, in my conversations with the mayor, he said he understood that the council was interested in having some award priorities and he told me to, uh, found a way to allocate an additional $10,000 to for each council person.

So, let me ask you this. So, who who puts the the cap on 10? So, so he's going to dictate how much money that we get for our board priorities. He told is this at his pleasure? Pardon? I said is our war priority money at his pleasure cuz you cuz you said you said hold on hold on Mr. Moore wait you just said that the mayor said that that he want to I guess have a discussion with us about ward priority money and he will give us $10,000. He don't have any money to give us. So that's my question. So the authority that he's giving us something is a little problematic here. So I'll let you continue.

Okay. the I my wording may not be as precise as it should be. Uh but I I I think the intent is that he wants to uh make sure that this the city council uh can spend some money for their awards, but he also had to recognize that we can't double spend the money. We can't spend it uh twice. That would cause a problem.

I definitely understand that and hearing that we have not spent a lot of the money because a lot of people haven't got paid. So, I think now is the time for us to take a deep dive into where these ARPA money um where they have went so we can make sure that they hit it intended target. So, if we're not going to give organizations money, we can give them note saying that we're not giving you money. We do apologize and um and we can move forward. So, we know how much that we have to spend because again, this money this is these historic funds are sent here to help uplift our municipality. And I know all of us have different ward priorities that need to be addressed. Every single one of us. And so this is not his money to dictate that he's going to give us $10,000. So I would like to find out. Let me ask you. So how much So how much money is left in the ARPA fund?

So So just just to just to to clarify, it's not that anyone's dictating anything here. What we're trying to say is that we can't automatically trigger the previous allocation again and duplicate that. What can happen is the administration can put another proposal that's not automatically because of the previous budget can put another lot of money together. Yes, that's not a problem. That's what we're trying to say. It's not that somebody's graciously giving you anything, but that's not theirs. It's that we just can't automatically trigger it based on that understanding or misunderstanding of it being a duplicate effort. Because if we would, then where would we stop? Do we duplicate allocated money in the budget for all ARPA projects, not just award priorities?

So, you understand it would become a massive undertaking. But we're trying to say is that these these dollars have gone a long way. We're we're just in the process of developing a brand new ARPA newsletter. I have one for each one of you guys before it goes out to the mail so you can see exactly where we're going. We've supported job training. We've supported RX kids. We've supported in-house plumbing, uh, roof repair programs, sidewalk tree removal, and private tree removal programs. So, um, we have been tracking these with Ernston and Young, our compliancy firm. every cent, every dollar is tracked, is monitored, not just internally, but by the compliancy firm who is hired to make sure that we are staying on top of things and on board with things. So, we have an internal one that we track to the to your point on people saying that entities saying that they were supposed to get money that haven't got money yet. If you can give me a list of those, I can follow up on those because I have a list of everyone that's been either resoluted to get some funding. We're tracking it. If they're not spending, they're red flag. If they're sword spending, they're orange flag. If they're spending, while they're green flag, those red flag ones are the ones that we're trying to encourage to move forward. The only ones that may have not received money initially, and it might take some time. we've come across this is that some of the uh they don't have their 501c3 status with the state said. So there's a few compliancy pieces that they have to overcome in order to sign the contract. That slows things down a bit, but I would definitely appreciate if you could send me a list of entities that you know that um have said that they're supposed to get there's a resolution to say they're getting money and they haven't received anything. If you can send that to me, I will for sure look look over that tomorrow. Yeah, because I know I had organization reach out to me and they were asking are we going to receive any ARPA fund? Are we up for consideration and when I was trying to compel this body to do it category by category so we won't be all

over the place they declined and so now we're all over the place and so the point is to make sure that for youth wellness we go through this entire youth wellness list. We decide if we're going who we're going to give money to and those that are not going to give money send them a letter. so we can move on. It feel like that that we're we're leaving ends open and we need to tie those up so we can move forward. So, youth wellness is one of the categories I can look at with you. Okay. Yeah, I believe youth wellness is one of them. Okay. If you just send me the list of those, I will follow up and make sure that we're we're moving forward on those. Okay. Thank you. And I'll um give the rest of the time if any colleagues have anything to add to that. Go ahead.

Thank you. I just have two quick things. Um and Mr. Moore, the first thing is not something that you could answer. Sheamus, maybe you could possibly answer. I know that the person who is ensuring that the organizations that are currently um spending their opera money trying to keep in line with their proposals. Uh right now they're having a positive experience or they've had a positive experience with getting uh their payments on time. I know that there was an employee, I think there was an employee that was dedicated to taking care of this, someone specifically. It's my understanding that employee that how they're getting their money may now change because that employee can no longer do the overtime on Saturday that's necessary for him to ensure that they are getting that done correctly.

Yeah. So, um there is um two there's two individuals that are um per council resolution for staffing um approved positions on ARPA to and it's mainly contract coordinators making sure that contractors contracts are moving forward. Yes, they're still working. Everything's moving well. When we identified the red flags, we sent out letters. We've gone out to them by I by we I mean those individuals that are working have gone to some of the entities to help them get in order get everything in line so that they can move forward and receive payments.

So but that is in addition to the job they do all day anyway. Correct. So that's ARPA in addition to their normal city functions. Correct. No, that is their job. Their sole purpose their sole job is to do the ARPA. Okay. They're the ARPA contract coordinator. Yeah. To be the ARPA contract coordinator. So with this change in that person's time, is that going to affect the efficiency that they have been seeing? Um I I don't think I don't believe so. I don't believe so. There may have been a need for that at the time when we were had a bit more red flags, but we've moved a lot of those into the orange flag and even better the orange flags into the green flag. So there's enough time in the 40hour week to be able to do the work that needs to be done and as efficiently as it is now.

All right. And if we see that that efficiency starts to change, how far out are we going to let that go? Because again, they do have a spin down time limit on these dollars. So, and then also we have a lot of organizations who cannot afford to shoulder um trying to figure out how to take care of that expense if our if we start having that backup. Well, so that might halt some work. Sorry.

Go ahead. I'm sorry. All of the All of the ones we're talking about were resoluted prior to January 1st, 2024. Anything that was approved and ARPA related up to December 31st, 2023, let me speak right. December 31st, 20, that's got the hard deadline of end of 26 to spend. Anything from January 1st, 2024, that's been awarded as ARPA. As far as the feds are concerned, that doesn't have a December 31st 26th deadline. We're still trying to operate in internally and encourage them to spend between that time, but we're not out of they're not going to be out of compliance as far as the federal government is concerned if they don't spend that down by December 31st, 2026. The ones I'm highlighting, the orange and red and green flags are the ones that were on top of that were approved prior to December 31st, 2023. Okay. So, my next question, you said resolution 22464,

I believe. So, that was the I think that's the number I have. Yeah. Yes, that is. That's the right one. I know the number. 220464. Correct. You said 220464. And can you tell me again what that resolution says? Why you alluded to that? That because that spoke about the ward priorities amongst the bigger plan for ARPA spending. That was the one that was approved by council. Madam, Miss Michette, that is the Are we pausing my time?

Sure. Pause the time, please. That is the resolution that um approved where we approve approved the spending plan, the council spending plan for ARPA and it included the um $270,000 forward. All right. So then real quick, so you're saying that's when that it included that 30,000 in there, right? You're saying and and that he said that was in 2022. That was that was the budget quote unquote. Um that was so that was budgeted in 2022. Yes.

So what you're saying if I'm understanding you correctly then you're saying that the new budget that we adopted which was the one from last year that included at ARPA 30,000. Are you saying that that is null and void because of this 2022? I'm trying to understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is that we only budgeted in the plan $30,000 per ward. We didn't allocate more than $30,000.

I that I I understand that piece, but it seems we're bumping up against why it's valid, why it's not valid. Is it not valid because it was passed in 2022 or is it not val I I'm Do you understand what I'm saying? because she the reason she's saying, excuse me, council um woman Lewis is saying that we adopted a budget last year, right? Oh, we adopted last year's budget and that budget included the ARPA for $30,000. You now you both are saying that that was adopted in 2022 and only executed last year. So, help me understand what's happening. as the money was allocated from the ARPA dollars and when it was put into the general fund, it was put into the general fund budget, but it was not supposed to be duplicated money. It's very confusing and I'm not going to lie about that because we allocated it. I don't they put when the money went to the general fund, you put the 30,000 in those ward account numbers. Which budget was the 30,000 in? Was it 2022 when it just now got allocated or was it the budget before that?

The 2022 resolution was the approval of the ARPA plan and those were never put into the budget per se until until they were allocated. We had we had multiple Well, please remember in the meantime we had multiple CFOs. I understand. And how how how Phil would do it is not how Mr. Whit Rob Whitigan would have done it.

It's very confusing. I understand that and that's why I kept track of it on my own. So we're saying that it was from a budget in 2022. The 30,000 was technically allocated in 2022. Therefore, when we adopted this budget, that 30,000 doesn't count again because it was already supposed to be allocated in 2022. $30,000 for a threeyear period. Please note that it's over a three-year period. We could have spent it over three years. Like Dr. Lewis, I believe, spent it. I understand that. I'm just trying to figure out when it was adopted, but are we saying that it's considered adopted in 2022?

The plan was adopted in 2022. That specific budget item then was adopted in 2022. Therefore, when you readted the budget, I mean, excuse me. So, therefore, when we decided to adopt last year's budget, that doesn't count because it was adopted in 2022 already. Is that what you're saying? That is what I'm saying. Okay. I yield. Madam Chair, go ahead.

Okay. This is We're all getting along here. So, I agree with with Councilwoman Lewis that I think that when we talk about board priorities that it should not be the mayor giving us giving us 10,000. That's not his choice. We are co-equal branches and we need to understand that. Um secondly, because th it was our choice and everyone we voted on each person's um funds to spend and and how they chose and I I I I feel people did a good job, the entire council on spending theirs. I will say that. So um St. Mark Missionary Baptist Church,

Sheamus Mr. more. Um that contract has been sitting on um I was told the mayor's desk since we voted on it in August. Um we are now facing SNAP benefits and um to be cut off and we have a community that is they need to be fed. They're hungry. And so my thing is why is this being held up? a truck was sent after um food bank cannot operate if we don't pay them. No one I mean and that is a reasonable expectation that they deserve to be paid if they're sending trucks out. We should not even be having this argument or this this this issue for something to sit on the mayor's desk for two months is ridiculous. They sent the truck this morning, gave zero notice to the church, which the the alarm system alerted, but they told them prior that they didn't have the funds. The the food bank deserves to be paid in a timely manner, especially when it comes to the residents and our community who need this assistance. That should never be negotiable. It should not. And and and

can I can I respond to can you call me? Hold on because Yep. Hold just a sec. Um I want to put another um because we're going to run out of time. Another 15 minutes on There's a motion on the floor to add 15 minutes to this discussion item. Is there support? Support. It's been moved and properly seconded. This is the vote to add 15 minutes onto the discussion. Miss Winfrey Carter. Yes. Miss Burns. Yes. Miss Machet, yes. Mr. Feifer is absent. Mr. Jarrett, yes. Mr. Alamine is absent. Dr. Lewis, yes.

Miss Johnson, yes. Miss Priestley, yes. The vote is seven, yes. Zero, no. The vote is seven, yes, zero, no. Go ahead and make that 16 minutes. Thank you. And and Sheamus, you may not even have to respond. No, I I I looked I looked No, I got you. I looked into this. I looked into this for you. So, um unfortunately, I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but that specific Well, I'm going to tell you where I got it from. The east the food bank. Okay, that's So, I'm and and I want to be very clear because I read the email. Okay, that specific resolution or that specific contract never got to the mayor's desk till last week, till Friday. Okay,

so it took two months, but then city hall Can I I'm about to I'm about to explain to you. Um like I said, these contracts aren't an overnight thing. They take a little bit of time because people make sure need to make sure that they're compliance. There's compliancy pieces involved. There's also multiple layers of um signatures, not just one signature. And unfortunately over the last few weeks, we've had some administrative um a lot of people deceased. No, no, deceased people passed. people's family members passed and may not have been available to sign these to go to the next level. I don't want to go into details. I think you know what I'm talking about.

That would be Mr. Edwards. But I don't think that and and shame I'm very clear when it's certain things we food should not be held up. No, I'm I'm I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying did have to unfortunately I'm just explain I'm explaining to you what happened. It's not, it didn't get to that level till and and as soon as it went up, found out where it was, we're getting it moving. So, um, so whatever you can do to please push that 100 100%.

Yeah. Because there are people and it's it's our in our community as the looming the Republican the Democrats are not they are different. They're they're apart and as long as it stays people are scared that they won't be able to feed their families. And here it is. We have access food access our funds and we should expeditiously make sure and food is high. It's high and it's not cheap, you know. And so when we're doing this, we need to be doing our parts and take the feelings out of and I do want to go back to um the giving council another amount for our ward. I agree we should have more to spend in our wards because we're in our wards to see how we want to spend it where it's the most effective because that's what we do is deal with the associations the residents and how to spend to where we make it more effective. So for example my ward I gave 15 or was 14,000 I gave that to Bethl their health center to make sure they continue to function. I also gave the other part to M Park Park. Uh I call it the going green garage because we doing everything electric mowers, electric blowers so that people can maintain nate their yards so it doesn't cause a burden on the blight department because they can't afford lawn equipment. And that was what I did. When we look at innovative what we can do, it should not just be the funds that the mayor is spending for his campaign

and it's going out to his his preferred people. It's going out to them and it's he's spent a lot thousands hundreds of thousands of dollars and we're stuck with 30,000 a mere and he's you if I give them that's not his choice. we should be working. You know, we're seeing things. He asked us to come tell him our ward priorities. He need to come tell us what his priorities in front of his council, not just you, because you may work with him, but you're not, no disrespect, you're not the mayor. And for us to do that, and I'm I know despite what we may believe this is how I'm agreeing with Dr. Lewis.

I I am. Yeah. because it is I am just to clarify it's it it's I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. It's the idea that because it was passed one year to another year, it automatically triggers. That's what we're saying is so this was the thing22. I don't know if you were here or not. I don't know. I was. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. You weren't coming up here. So, you must have been in another department when you hired in. I think so. I've been here four over four years.

Yeah. So I don't think you weren't with the administr you were in you never came up before at that point. So when we have that fund in 2022 we passed it. It was for 30,000. I don't remember seeing that that it was over three years. We were told we had a dead we were told then that it had to be passed by uh it had to be allocated by that time obligated. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. But then it was voted. and it went into the general fund. And if people see some things because things are changing in our wards that we should be able to have a opportunity to do great things besides the mayor and his million press he could at press conferences. He's the press conference king. I'm going to give it to him. But we would should be able to have things to we can see it benefits our community. Only benefit from that money right now is Mayor Sheldon Neely giving it out and giving it to the churches. And some of these churches right now are not even getting the funds. I mean, have they whatever happened to the Oh, God. What was the the Kennedy cleaners? They were going to shovel snow. They were going to mow grass and do all of that.

Did they ever mow any grass? I'm sorry. I have no idea. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I'm just asking. Well, I I I do know. I do know. Um, just to get back to to the administration, my understanding and being part of it does care about what council people have to say about their priorities. That's why you send get those invites to come in and discuss. We give them to him and we give them to him and then he makes them his. That's what happens. As I was saying, I know I'm just telling you. Okay. As I was saying, is that invited to to see what you need done, see what priorities that you have. It's important because you guys are the ones that are there every day that you know what's going on and know what your wart needs. Hence, you get those invites. I know not everybody comes to the other point is

well that's because we get called um treasonous acts and treasonous and obstructionist. That's why as as I'm saying okay um yeah so I think I think everyone's understanding here there is this gap there is a need and nobody nobody is saying here before you that one person is saying yes or no to this that's not what we're saying and I know Phil said he needed to he corrected himself on that the way it came out let let's see if we can do that move forward have those meetings have those conversations see what those priorities priorities are because yeah there is

we need to move a lot quicker and I'm agreeing again with council member Lewis that when these people have these is the money is given to the organizations they've passed the hurdles why are we still saying once they went through the vetting process we're revetting them we're not I respect you we're not revetting them revetting they they they get through the resolution then they have to once the resolution that's not the the ultimate stop that's the first part there has to be a contract but because there's There is compliance. There is federal dollars involved. That takes a minute. So, but the vetting should have been done. That's part of the vetting to being in compliance. The vetting should be if if you're in compliance, right? Because how so?

So, so for so for instance, we find out that one of the entities wasn't even registered as a 501c3 with the state of Michigan and it should that's the vetting process. It shouldn't have went forward then. They they they respectfully a lot of those came through council to us. They were they were came through a council process of youth wellness. There was the youth wellness categories. There was these categories at the beginning of the inception of this that applied for funding and I didn't sit down and look over all of these. But when we get a resolution that passes and approves money, I'm I don't think we can do requests for information or anything right now. I I I need to correct something. Yeah. cuz you steaming over there. Go ahead. Um,

so they didn't necessarily come from council. The resolutions of a question where she corrected. Yeah. Councilwoman Burns, are you aware that they didn't come necessarily come through council? There was a suggested list of people and then once council got that list of people um there were suggestions followed and then those resolutions were made by the administration and then sent to the council. So the administration would have had an opportunity to vet that. Thank you. And I am aware of that and you are correct.

Just so that we're clear and all you know we're putting out good information. Thank you. Okay. So, I'm going to I'm going to yield the floor to my colleague. Is there anyone else who'd like to have the floor? Um, Madam Chair, go ahead since we still have time. I do want to go back to because I again I want to be clear.

Uh, I am reading this uh resolution adopting the ARPA allocation plan. I do see October 24th, 20 um 22 on here. And so according to what my understanding is from our finance chair, because technically that was adopted, the 30,000 was adopted in 2022, it does not count in the budget that we adopted again from last year. I'm I'm hearing you correctly basically. Yeah. And so, but what I'm hearing from my colleagues now, um, Sheamus,

we are behind me. I'm sorry. Right. One, two things that absolutely need to happen quickly. uh is for sure because November 1st is upon us and there will be a lot of people without benefits and so there will be shelters as well as um different organizations all of the churches and some of the pantries. I'm sure they will be hit pretty hard with residents needing to come and get uh some food. So I'm not sure if now we're looking at that food access category again and how that works. I'm not sure how much money is left in food access for us to do that. Um I'm not sure if we look at

Do you know how much is left in food access or Councilwoman Priestley? Anyone? Off the top of my head, no. I'll refer to um Okay, we can we can work that out, but we need to work that out way before November 1st. I have an update like way before um before

before Monday hopefully. We need because that I think that's something that should go in special affairs. Um, and then my second thing, and what I said, what I'm saying needs to go in special affairs is if there are any food access dollars that we could possibly allocate. So, that's something we would have to have an answer to before Monday so that there could be a resolution for it by Monday. I see your face. I understand. But what I'm saying to you is um, when people have nowhere to eat, no way to get anything to eat, more than just your economy suffers. You want to talk about a crime rate, you will see a crime rate when people have to feed their kids. I'm just saying. So, it's something we might want to figure out fast.

They'll call me twirl. Okay. And then my second thing, it it sounds like there is a strong desire for more money to be allocated to council for wards for ward specific things. And so, We take that. Where do we go with that? We understand.

I mean, I I understand that neither of you have the ability to answer that question on behalf of the mayor. So, I'm I'm being completely understanding that I'm asking you a question that is more so something that you would have to say back to the mayor. I heard 10,000 is is where we're starting this. You don't have to speak. I understand. So, we we we're here we're hearing 10,000 on the table right now of ward priorities. Okay. I didn't say that. So, I know you didn't. I'm just I don't know where that I thought somebody said it. I I didn't say that.

Oh, you did. You said it. Okay. I didn't I didn't I wasn't clear on who said it, but it's fine. We don't we don't have to have the the discussion on it. But that uh food access resolution I think that that is something that we do need to so so councilwoman Pley to to that um that okay that's a heavy lift in a couple of days I understand the timing might especially since the the report is due this week or Monday. Yes we're very much working on the quarterly report which is another thing that so if if there's a report that means that that amount is in the report already so y'all got it. I we have what two more days of work? Two more days to finish the the report. It's a 72page document. So it's it's it's a lot.

So but somewhere in that document those numbers exist. Yes. Yes. Yes. And we can pull them out. But but to the resol what would the resolution say? Would it identify entities and we need to find those entities. So yes, I think that you have to be a bit creative in how you write the if the resolution if understand completely. I think for now we are looking at the food bank for sure because we know that there are multiple entities that already have accounts at the food bank. So if it's something that just needs to rest at the food bank as a preliminary thing and then we work out the rest that's fine too but that might help get you some direction. I'm noting it.

I think Dr. Lewis Dr. Lewis wants time. She wants the floor. I yield. Go ahead, Dr. I mean, no. Um, just in full agreement. Um, you know, we are talking about like, you know, qualified fiduciary, food banks, qualified fiduciary. So, there I don't really see a a need to hold that up. So, hopefully we can get that going. Um, but I would like to know how much money that we have left in our um community grants. I want to know how much we have left in community grants. We'll have the answer for that at the end of this week. We're working on that as we've been work that's been our top priority for this week is to get that report done. It will be done by Friday.

Okay, sounds like a plan. And then um because I know that we have received some some other monies coming to the city and so if we do have these um leftover monies like we said we can do things like do war specific things and if we have any additional monies we could look towards um looking at more home repair for the residents because I know that we also received the allocation from the marijuana funds and so I will ask for um next meeting next finance chair I'm just giving you a heads up We had put that on the agenda so we can get a idea of how those I think it was like $647,000 so we can see how those u marijuana funds were being spent in the city here

because I believe that we were supposed to get another allocation in February I believe because it's yearly. So we do have some additional money that we can do some things with for the residents and so um let's go ahead and get these things in motion. Thank you Mr. Moore. Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes. Quick question. Um, if we can get all the categories, what's left in ARPA, an entire breakdown of it, if we can get that, that way we can read it ourselves so we can be transparent with the public. Thank you. Thank you. I'll entertain a motion to that that in concludes this um there's a motion on the floor to adjourn by the counciloman seventh word. Is there support? Support.

Supported by the councilwoman second word. This is the vote to adjurnn. Miss Burns, yes. Miss Mette, yes. Mr. Jarrett, yes. Dr. Lewis, yes. Miss Johnson, yes. Miss Priestley, yes. Miss Winfrey Carter, yes. The vote is seven yes, zero no.

The vote is seven yes, zero no. This meeting is adjourned at 7:25. I got the box. It's not an easy one. I think you want to get on this perspective. Go ahead. Burns. [Music]

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The time is now 7:34 p.m. On Wednesday, October 22nd, I hereby call this legislative committee meeting to order. Roll call. Madam Secretary, Mr. Alamine is not in. Dr. Lewis, present. Miss Johnson, present. Miss Priestley, present. Miss Winfrey Carter, present. Miss Burns is not in. Miss Machette, present. Mr. Feifer is not in. Mr. Jared,

present. We have six members present. We have six members present. It is now time for the reading of the disorderly person city code subsection. Any person that persists in disrupting this meeting will be in violation of Flint City Code section 31-10, disorderly conduct, assault, and battery and disorderly persons and will be subject to arrest for a misdemeanor. Any person who prevents the peaceful and orderly conduct of any meeting will be given one warning if they persist in disrupting the meeting. that individual will be subject to arrest. Violators will be removed from the meetings. Are there requests for agenda changes and/or additions? Seeing as how there are no requests for changes and or additions, it is now time for public comment. Members of the public who wish to address the council or its committees must register before the meeting begins. A box will be placed was placed at the entrance to the city council chambers for collection of registrations. No additional speakers or slips will be accepted after the meeting begins. Members of the public shall have no more than three minutes per speaker during public comment with only one speaking opportunity per speaker. First public speaker, Madam Excuse me, Madam Secretary

Ariel Mitchell.

Hello, I'm Ariel Mitchell. Uh, for the record, Mr. And neck just got the the billions of dollars for the the opra that dope that uh fund and now it's a situation is brewing right now at Hurley hospital again like that time when the young man said keep your black hands off my baby and they didn't do it and they sued her hospital.

Excuse me Mr. Mitchell I'm going to pause your time then I'm just going to ask you to be mindful. Okay go ahead. Hey, go. Like I was saying, it's a situation at Hurley Hospital right now. One of my native friend had a a baby two three days ago, her grandbaby, and her husband happened to be there. When the doctor came out, he announced that what Mr. Anne was talking about and and she was going to breastfeed the baby. He said, "I don't think you should do that, lady." And now instead of letting the baby go, let him go home with the doctor with the mama that kept the baby and the husband was there and he's an Indian. He got he got weapons on him and that's and where at anyway you see he done gone already without but anyway to these TV cameras you can see what's happening now. He I believe the kind of guy he'll go tackle the situation before he get out of hand like Mr. more trying to call the shots for them little man little mayor downstairs in that how you hit the looking dude talking that junk trying to get over on on on a on a sixth ward and don't want to talk he wanted he wanted to say something anyway got himself in more trouble the mayor probably take him in the parking lot when he get back downstairs was trying to run the city for him and he told him what to say he going to put his two cents in And in the second ward was talked up for us. Very good. And you and no more Philadelphia stalemates stalemason. Anyway, and another thing about about the uh the water money. It's really about the water. Ain't about now you put the dope the dope to take over city of Flint and all this Madison stuff.

Zebroids. Well, I can't announce them things them names. But the kids is just like Miss Jones was talking about her son and she put us on missing son report and all they had to do is push a button and go get him just like that. And Chief Green still ain't up here because he sound like the dope people's got it under hostages like in Jamaica. Jamaica the police chief asking for more money to educate people to just follow filibusting around take me Flintstone to steal Okie dokie and Mashaq don't want nobody messing up somebody's speech talking about don't go there you talking about what the brown peoples and the the red peoples the the black and yellow stay tuned America

thank you next public speaker madam secretary next speaker is Taylor Samson I'm good. Next speaker, Madam Secretary, Stanley Wood. Next speaker, Madam Secretary, Bill Kesler.

Hello. All right. So, um, yeah, I wanted to urge I wanted to I came in a little late at the beginning, so I missed the initial public comment, but I do want to talk about the the, um, resolution that was considered about the the flot cameras and the ALPRs, the automatic license plate readers that this, uh, committee considered and sent to sent to council. So, I want to urge you all to pause the expansion of this contract to consider the impacts of this mass surveillance network and devote the limited resources of the city to addressing the conditions that produce crime instead of creating a system that tracks the movement of literally every single person in this city. So, as we've heard before, and I'm sure you all know, flat cameras capture and record not only the license plate of every single car that passes under the camera's view, but they also document the unique features of the passing cars. With the expansion of this network, it will be virtually impossible for anyone in the city of Flint to drive anywhere while being while maintaining their privacy. I know that you all consider this expansion as a measure to increase public safety, but this makes me personally as a resident of Flint feel less safe. This is the technological equivalent of a police tale on every car in the city documenting where we go and when. Employing that level of police surveillance on innocent civilians is a clearly unethical and a violation of the US citizens right to privacy. But it was but when it is done through a camera lens, it is considered justified. The fourth amendment of the US Constitution protects those within its borders from unreasonable search and seizure. I believe this technology to violate that right and there are litigations with flock currently working their way through the courts. There have been several documented cases of the federal government and ICE using flock cameras to track down and kidnap innocent civilians. And as a violent campaign to purge this country of those it deems less than human. Is that

something that member of this members of this council want to be a part of? So I urge you press pause in this decision to explan expand the flat flock network in this city. Consider the implications of technology and direct these limited funds in this grant which is um the grant through which this money comes from is um has has an umbrella use to be able to use to like combat juvenile delinquency as one of the things. So there is a way to reallocate these funds um to programs that actually support the youth and and prevent crime from happening as opposed to just measures of surveillance that are used to prosecute.

Thank you. Next public speaker, Madam Secretary, next speaker is Tanya Jones. Tanya Jones again. I'm here advocating for my son and I'm tired. I know y'all be tired. Okay, this is these are long hours. I greatly appreciate y'all for what y'all do. But I want to explain like the nor the nor these Norcans, you know, when you speak on them, it don't take one. Sometimes I have to administrate this to my son before. He has OD three times. So times sometime it don't take one, I have to give him two. Okay? Because once the drug is in your system, you got to get it pushed out. So they don't just don't take just one box. It might take four of them. So when people speaks on it, just don't take one of the boxes that need to gives out freely. It takes more. So I just want to educate people on when it comes to this. This it's a lifesaver. And I know I have friends that has overdosed just from a peel. Somebody might give you a pill for it might be or Norco or Vicodine or whatever and it's laced with fentanyl. So I mean this is serious and that's why I come up here because I want to explain this is serious what's going on out here with this opioid crisis is real. I don't know if anybody visit other states, you know, Flint is too small to become a, you know, have you ever seen tent city, okay? We'll turn around, it' be tent city people. We right now we in a government, you know, it's shut down. So you talking about food with this opioid crisis, what's going on? You're going to see addicts everywhere, homeless, tent city. We don't need that. Flint is too small for it. Let alone with people catch HIV and people walking around here sick. So I'm saying this this is real serious. You know what I'm saying? My thing is I got my son I got my son 110%. He got he got a home when he don't want to stay at his house. He out there in the street right now. I don't know where he at. But guess what? I got him. I

haven't seen my son in three weeks. In three weeks. So I'm fighting for guardianship because I'm trying to save my son. But these people that you know when the with the opioid money where y'all where wherever it go that's why y'all need to really make sure it go to where it needs to. It's a place called Grace Hope and Pontiac. It's great. and they're their community. How they got their program set up is a 10. Where I want my son to go, my kids never went to Flint schools. They never even was a part. My son came over into Flint somewhere I tried to keep him away from once I found out he was autistic. And everything he done came to, guess what? It's been horrible. So, I did what I was a concerned mother. I am a concerned mother. God blessed me with kids. So, that's why I'm doing and I'm advocating because they was my blessings from above. And I'm going to keep on doing what I'm doing. Okay? And greatly, I great I be wondering where these pastors at. When y'all be talking about the churches, I don't I don't go I don't believe in organized religion. I believe in God because God kept me here. Not these churches cuz not one church done contact me and said, "How was your son doing when my son was a member of Ebenezer and she don't come down off the thing and say Candace don't come say how Michael doing?" And she was a member long as he was singing in choir and tiden. Oh, guess what? But it's about the loss because guess what? With God, he's going to be found. Have a good night.

Thank you. Next public speaker, Madam Secretary. That was the last speaker. Thank you. Seeing as how that is the end of public speaking, it is now time for council response. Council members may respond once to all public speakers. Only after all public speakers have spoken. An individual council members response shall be limited to two minutes. Is there anyone who wishes to speak during council response? Seeing as there's no one who wishes to speak during council response, we'll move on to uh reconsiderations. Resolution 2550347-T. What is the pleasure of the body? Madam Chair, Councilwoman in the fourth ward, I'd like to make a motion to reconsider 2550347-t.

There is a motion on the floor to reconsider resolution 2550347-T, which is the issuance of public notice proposed modification for the city of Flint sewer use ordinance for industrial pre-treatment program, Michigan Department of Environmental, Great Lakes, and Energy. Is there support? I will support it. Mr. L. Alamine is not in. Dr. Lewis, yes. Miss Johnson, yes. Miss Priestley, yes. Miss Winfrey Carter, no. Miss Burns, no. Miss Mashette, yes.

Mr. Feifer is not in. Mr. Jared, no. You have four yes, three no. We have four yes, three no. That reconsideration fails. Moving on to the consent agenda. Um seeing how there is nothing on the agenda. Move to adjurnn. Thank you very much. There's been a motion to adjurnn. Is there support? Support. Moved and properly supported by the council woman in the second ward. Roll call. Madam secretary. Dr. Lewis. Yes. Miss Johnson, yes. Miss Priestley, yes. Miss Winfrey Carter, yes. Miss Burns, yes. Miss Mette,

yes. Mr. Feifer is not in. Mr. Jared, yes. Mr. L. Alamine is not in. You have seven yes, zero, no. We have seven yes, zero, no. The time is now 7:47 p.m. on October 22nd. I hereby adjourn this legislative committee. Moving on to governmental operations committee. The time is now 7:48 p.m. on Wednesday, October 22nd. I hereby call this governmental operations committee meeting to order. Roll call. Madame Secretary. Mr. L. Elamine is not in. Dr. Lewis,

yes. M. Present. You're present. Miss Johnson. Present. Miss Priestley present. Miss Winfrey Carter present. Miss Burns present. Miss Michette present. Mr. Feifer is not in. Mr. Jarrett present. You have seven members present.

We have seven members present. It is now time for the reading of the disorderly person city code subsection. Any person that persists in disrupting this meeting will be in violation of Flint City Code section 31-10, disorderly conduct, assault and battery, and disorderly persons and will be subject to arrest for a misdemeanor. Any person who prevents the peaceful and orderly conduct of any meeting will be given one warning. If they persist in disrupting the meeting, that individual will be subject to arrest. Violators will be removed from the meeting. Are there any requests for agenda changes and/or additions? Seeing as how there are no requests for um agenda changes and or additions, it is now time for public comment. Members of the public who wish to address the city council or its committees must register before the meeting begins. A box was placed at the entrance to the council chambers for collection of registrations. No additional speakers or slips will be accepted after the meeting begins. Members of the public shall have no more than three minutes per speaker during public comment with only one speaking opportunity per speaker. First public speaker, Madame Secretary RL Mitchell.

Hello. Hello. I'm RL Mitchell. I'm speaking on the the hassle center on home street. It's no longer on home street no more. Is that the corner of a m park over in the six ward over where where her I can't call people's name no more. And it going to be at May's center that should and we the people request a grocery store be built right along and with all the cuz people's donkeys got to eat too. How about that, Mack? And uh like I was saying, we we going that duct tape made my friend name fall off the building and now we going to put this going to do it right when he move over there in that what that corona road or some I still don't know what I know it's over in your ward six ward right okay but we the people still that that reverend what's his name talking about 15 years to get a supermarket and people you see what's going to happen right now people the groceries going up and people's like this guy talking this stuff I call him high Hitler but I was threatened to say don't call him that no more I but he and the dude name a was here yet that mean what t I call him Tarzan second ward gave him two strokes dealing with a black woman and he still can control he started to leave but He didn't because he concerned about ward one. If he can stay home and get paid, he so can he can stay home and do business too because out there in Mount Mo putting peoples in Flint on notice every time he going to put somebody on a house arrest got Mount Mo's name on it. Talking about Miss B. Why you tell his significant other to give turn in his

telephone and he going to pull the woman hair. And you know who I'm talking I ain't mentioning no name. I mean uh I did mention oh you can the peoples can figure it out what's going on. You see the main peoples in in here aim was here would run the city talking junk what they they could have left in all them ISIS. They already here. You already know it or not. But like I say, the national guys protected them because they be grabbing peoples like me and talk who what's where you from? what you and then asking them all trick questions and talking about get boy back and then and then the the police want us doing cuz they ain't cahoot with them and all that Trump and but forget them ISIS people they ain't the peoples who resist them they really is true Americans and they don't know the is peoples act like they know that they don't give a care cuz the democrat and all just like the one came in the white coming and one police got stuck in the door and killed his own son up by accident and all. Hey, stay tuned. America,

we Thank you. Next public speaker, Madam Secretary Taylor Samson,

Taylor Samson, ETH Ward resident. Um, on this meeting agenda, there is the recognition of domestic violence awareness month. Um, I'm very curious to see how that vote's going to play out. Uh, Liddell, Lean, Judy, Candace, I think you really need to seriously consider how you're going to play this game because you're supporting a known abuser in this community that sits up on that council with you in the first ward. So, if you go ahead and vote for this, it's basically undoing everything that you've been fighting since July against all of us. I still can't believe you're supporting someone who is being charged with a felony for attempted strangulation and a misdemeanor for domestic violence. I don't care if he's your friend. Friends hold each other accountable. Parents have kids go to jail every day and they still will say that they're guilty. I don't understand how the mayor is still behind him. What does that say to people in your wards? I've already had people in the fourth and the seventh ward tell me how disappointed they are because you're supporting Leyon because they're DV survivors. They don't feel supported by you. They those are your voters. Those are the people that will continue to support you or not. If you continue to play games like this, especially with something as serious as attempted strangulation, you will lose your seat next year. Put aside all the mess you've already been doing. Look at just this tonight. So, I suggest you actually think about this and you really read it over and you consider what you should be doing for the people in your community. Forget all of us that come up here and speak to you. You don't respect us or listen to us anyways. Think about the people in your community that are DVA survivors. I'm saying that as someone who's literally sat there seeing horrors because people were brought in who were raped. People who were beat up to the like their faces are

literal pulp by people that they love or someone complete strangers. I've had to sit through there hold their hands while they're exam. Had to sit there while the cops are [ __ ] while they're trying to fill out reports. I've had to answer those safe line calls and walk someone through a safety plan in case they are actually going to get away. I've had to sit there and do all that. I'm not coming up here and speaking out of my butt. Okay? This is lived experience. Don't take my own domestic issues into account here. Take me as someone who's literally worked hand in hand and had to help these women in our community. Take my word seriously. I've already came up here and spoke on this multiple times and I'm disappointed Leon isn't here tonight because I really want to make him sit there and vote for this resolution. Make him uncomfortable. Make him as uncomfortable as he's making all of us be having to sit and watch him in that seat making decisions for our community. Think about it.

Thank you. Next public speaker, Madame Secretary. Next speaker is Bill Kesler. Hi. Next public speaker, Madam Secretary Hanya Jones.

Hello, Tanya Jones again. I'm here. The million-dollar thing sounded like hocus pocus. You remember hocus pocus for the um autism? To me, it sound like hocus pocus. I know my opinion doesn't matter, but me hearing it, it really sound like hocus pocus. So that's my opinion on that. You know, you need to look more into it because when it comes to the opium crisis, it's really re is really real and it really needs to be watched over. I like how Mr. Jared um yeah, Mr. Jared, you know, he's very thorough about what he does and he don't just listen to anything. and Miss um right here in the next to Miss Burns and Miss Burns, you know, if you're listening or whatever, but could y'all really really listen to what they're saying because like I said, I was here during Hocus Pocus time about autism and just whatever whatever is not that easy. I got my autism shirt on because like I said, my son, he's autistic. So, yes, I'm looking into a lot of it. And I asked before about um the opioid money when Leon got 150,000. So, I don't understand like why he got that money and for his maid program. Um, when it comes to whatever he stands for his or organization, I mean, I thought he would be here and that's what I've been coming for. I can ask him 150,000, you know, you guys never answer it, but when it comes to opioid, you know, I mean, I think he dealt with people to get out of prison and stuff, you know. So, the opioid crisis, he got 150, you know. So I'm never nobody ever answered that to the people cuz we all would like to know but you know so that's my thing is the opioid crisis is real autism is real cle cell is real the people is real so I'm a concerned mother and when it seems like when people concerned y'all don't like it when they concerned you know like Miss um Liddell Lewis put me on her I'm blocked off your page but you put me up there on the mumu and I'm blocked you know so I got to get it off other people page and your comments and what you say you know everybody Flynn is small. Everybody talk. You know, you comment, you post me. You know what I'm saying?

For your views, for your views because you put it on your page. So, you got views off of it. I got 112 friends on my fa on my face. I'm not doing this to be seen. I'm not doing this for money, for likes. I'm doing this because it's my son's life. But you post me in a mumu as I was stressed and concerned about you saying I was approaching her in a aggressive manner. It was a lie. I don't come up here to be aggressive. I don't come up here if you take what I'm doing as being aggressive, you wrong. I'm here because guess what? I'm concerned about my son. I'm concerned about other parents that's going through it and don't know what to do. Eric Mays direct me. Ken Scott direct me. My my my doctor, my psychiatrist direct me. Look how you looking. You a joke. You don't want a joke cuz guess what? They vote next year. And no, guess what? In the end, God see everything. You think it's a joke. Keep smiling. Keep smiling cuz everything that everybody going through, it gonna hit your family. I promise you karma is real. You very arrogant. I don't even know how you got your seat. I don't in a piece of paper and a degree, whatever. But your soul is wicked. You wicked as ever. Thank you. Next public speaker, Madam Secretary. That was the last speaker. Seeing as how that was the last public speaker, it is now time for council response. Council members may respond once to all public speakers. Only after all public speakers have spoken, an individual council members response shall be limited to two minutes. Is there anyone who wishes to speak during council response?

Seeing as how there's no one who wishes to speak during council response, I will entertain a motion for the consent agenda. Madam chair, councilwoman in the fourth ward. I move to send the consent agenda to Congress. There is a motion to send the uh consent agenda to council. Uh is there support? W moved and properly supported by the councilwoman in the second ward. Are there separations? Madam chair. Councilwoman in the sixth ward. Uh I would like to Well, it'll be a total separation. Total separation. It is. Moving on to resolution 2550355-T, which is the charitable gaming license for the way his Historic House Museum. What is the pleasure of the body? Madam Chair. Councilwoman in the fourth ward. Send to council.

There's a motion to send to council by the councilwoman in the fourth ward. Is there support? moved and properly supported by the councilwoman in the second ward. Is there discussion? Madam Chair, councilwoman in the sixth ward, you have the floor. Uh, if I could have Absolutely. I believe there are some representatives from uh whe Museum here. Would you please join us at the lectturn? Hello. How are you? I'm well. Thank you for having me tonight. Oh, thank you for being here. I met you before. Yes. At the etiquette class. Yes.

What class? and we uh etiquette class uh etiquette dinner and we had the little girl that didn't didn't want to come down and I went up and and we spoke with her and was able to get her down. Um it was nice to see the girls first it was with Madame Mercedes etiquette and manners class. That's right. and she had uh your facility hosted them um for their meetings and then they had a final um dinner where they were taught etiquette with napkins and um uh how to use fork, spoons, napkins, how to how to speak and they were dressed um I would say like in their Easter wear and it was so nice and they had hats.

Everybody had to have a hat and so that was great. So here's my question. So, are you So, you're asking for a gaming license and it's for What are you going to utilize it for? Yes. So, uh from what we've understood, this gaming license is good for year round and then you can apply for specific gaming licenses. Uh we're gearing up to celebrate our second annual New Year's Eve gala. Uh it's going to be a fundraiser to sustain us throughout the year. Uh we were hoping this could be used for 50/50 raffles, silent auctions, things of that nature. We just wanted everything to be above board and everything to be documented so we could raise fund funds for the museum.

Okay. I mean I' I've always supported and I remember the first time I went into why house I was younger way younger because I went to central and in the cultural center we've got so many things that you can do with um the way um house being there. I remember when it caught on fire people were you know they were repairing the roof and it had caught on fire and people like oh my god. But I like to see because historically people of my color and my grandmother weren't allowed to be there. But to have the girls to be able to be there in the rooms where they once were only uh allowed to clean, but they were allowed to dine there was nice to see. Um there's so many um artifacts or or or uh antiques that are in the home and they're not like they're behind a glass wall and you know you're sitting on antique furniture, you're sitting in um the antique uh boxes and different things. And so it it's a turnaround and it's also a lesson. And I do know that um Mercedes Kenny who has the Madame Mercedes etiquette and manners class taught them about that that even in her time um that things like this you know we had to to uh to fight for in civil rights and even before then in this area most uh people of color were only able to be domestics. Um I believe the way house has a back staircase also where you couldn't use the front staircase and so we have evolved and I hope we don't go back looking at some some things but uh having this facility and helping them to understand because books are banned and history is being banned in certain states. Um but this was a very real thing. Um, when we look at, you know, WH House, which is it's gorgeous, you know, but where the domestics were, which were people of color, the kitchens weren't

big or, you know, fine. They're not like our our one, you know, they're not they weren't decked out and, you know, new appliances and, you know, overhead lighting and all of that. They were just um basically for to, you know, utilize to get make the food, get it, get it in, get it out. It wasn't a gathering place to where kitchens are now. And so, it's a different time. So, I support what you do and I appreciate allowing Whley's House to be opened up to little girls or young women, some are I'm going to say young ladies. I want to be proper when I say that. um and who they are and to teach them some of the things that is a lost art which is manners etiquette and to do it in a facilities where they're able to sit touch around the the antiques that are around that their grandmothers and greatg grandmothers wouldn't have had the opportunity to to do so I support this

thank you so much and if I may say for the record um it was a pleasure hosting uh those children and uh it's nice to be able to say that we're like grandma and grandpa's house and all are welcome inside. So, thank you. Thank you. I yield the floor, Madam Chair. Thank you. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak in the first round of discussion? Anyone in the second round of discussion? Madam Chair, councilwoman in the fourth ward. Um, thank you for coming to us and doing things the right way. You never have to come before us again to get this to get recognized in case you didn't know. And I was thinking about that and I thought, wait, maybe you think you need to do that every time or annually. Once we recognize you, you're done. Okay. Okay.

Thank you so much. You're welcome. Anyone else? We do like to see you. Oh, anyone else in the second I'm sorry. Are you done? I'm sorry. I'm done. I'm yield. Anyone else in the second round of discussion? Seeing as how there's no one else in the second round of discussion, this is the roll call vote for resolution 2550355-T, which is the charitable gaming license the way his Historic House Museum. Mr. L. Elamine is not in. Dr. Lewis, yes. Miss Johnson, yes. Miss Priestley, yes. Miss Winfrey Carter, yes. Miss Burns, yes. Miss Mette, yes. Mr. Feifer is not in. Mr. Jared, yes.

You have a seven yes, zero, no. The vote a seven yes, zero, no. This resolution passes the council. You will not need to come back Monday. I don't foresee anyone separating it. So, thank you. Thank you guys so much. You enjoy the rest of your evening. Moving on to resolution 2550356-T, which is the recognition domestic violence awareness month October 2025. Madam Chair, is this date right? Uhuh. The is something Never mind. Something's wrong with the date, but we'll fix it. Um, councilwoman in the six w. You see it? I don't see what you're saying. Something's wrong with the date, but we'll fix it. Councilwoman in the six w. Oh.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. You see it? Just a typo in the head title. Yeah. Yeah. October ends. It's fine. In a resolution. Okay. I would like to send this to council, please. There is a motion. Send this to council. Is there support? Support. Moved and properly supported by the council woman in the fourth ward. Is there discussion? Madam chair. Councilwoman in the sixth ward.

Um, thank you. I do want to state that now it's more prevalent that um recognizing October is domestic violence and awareness month. And so I did I was the one who did ask to have the resolution to be um to be drawn up because I think we need to talk about there there have been some um some severe cases of domestic violence. We had a young lady who was actually um choked with a belt, dismembered in a bathtub. And we've also had another one who Princess Williams about five to six weeks ago, she had called for police uh the day before and she said no one had shown up and she was killed by her abuser. She had been a victim of domestic violence for a couple of years and she left behind a two-month-old child. Also uh I want to state with Dquishia or Kiki Martin who was domestic violence victim who had been uh dealing with domestic violence for over 12 years. Dealing with domestic violence is serious. I understand when Taylor stated it triggers her. It triggers a lot of women and especially when we see that we have got unfortunately a council member who was charged with a felony and of uh less than murder but with strangulation for domestic violence. I don't want domestic violence to go or those voices to go unheard. So, the resolution proclaiming domestic violence awareness month um October uh it says by the council domestic violence by the city council. Domestic violence is a serious issue that affects individuals of all ages, backgrounds, and genders across Michigan across Michigan and the nation. And the 2025

theme with survivors always calls for solidarity, safety, and support for those affected by domestic violence. And domestic violence includes physical, emotional, sexual, psychological, and economic abuse causing devastating and lasting trauma to individuals and families. The Michigan State Police reported that 67,816 domestic violence instances in 2023, and domestic violence remains a leading cause of death for pregnant women and members of the LGBTQ plus community. report that intimate partners violence at rates equal to or higher than heterosexual individuals. And the black community experiences disproportionately higher rates of intimate partners violence with over 45% of black women experiencing physical or sexual violence and intimate partner. And domestic violence awareness month is an opportunity to raise public awareness, educate the community, and support the efforts of organizations that provide vital services to victims and survivors. It is a moral and civic responsibility to work towards the elimination of domestic violence to her to hold perpetrators accountable and to empower survivors with the support they need. I have very strong convictions about this because we can no longer harbor people who commit such acts. I sat in a court with Judge Vicky Haley to listen to a colleague when Officer McCain stated that the victim had been struck in the face, lacerations, and there were signs of strangulation. That was beyond disturbing that any woman in this day and age would have to

endure that type of violence. We as a body, as a council, can do something to change it. We are having to face even a difficult decision with Councilwoman Winfrey Carter who gave a resolution to have Councilman Leon Alamine step down so that he would not be a distraction because of his domestic violent felony charges. This is a serious serious charge and for women it is triggering women across not only in our city and our county but our nation that we are supposed to lead by being an example. It should not be tolerated. So to make sure that we support victims of domestic violence, understanding that there needs to be an end that we know that one in four women will experience domestic violence and in their life and that is actually under reportported only 34% of women who are struck by their assault by their person um their abuser goes to an emergency room. I will be supporting this and I'm asking my colleagues to thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak in the first round of discussion?

Yes, Madam Chair. Councilwoman Winfrey Carter, you have the floor.

Thank you, Madame Chair. I fully support this resolution proclaiming October as domestic violence awareness month. Behind every statistic is a survivor. A mother, a daughter, a neighbor, your sister who's had to fight to reclaim her safety and dignity. We cannot look away. Raising awareness is not enough. We must strengthen prevention, expand resources, and hold abusers accountable. I stand with every survivor in Flint and the organizations that's out there doing the hard work on the front lines. Together, we must foster a city culture where safety, respect, and healing are non-negotiable. I fully support this resolution. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak during the um first round of discussion? Madam Chair, Councilwoman in the second ward.

Thank you so much. I definitely support the spirit of this resolution. However, I don't support the unjust conviction of a colleague. What we do have, we have a criminal justice system. And if we believe in this system like we say it will, justice will prevail. If miss if we have a victim and our colleague was the perpetrator, evidence will show and justice will prevail. But what I'm not going to do, I'm not going to sit here and I'm not going to illuminate victims suffering at the expense of my colleague. That's not what I'm here to do. And it's very disappointing to hear that we have colleagues that instead of talking about the spirit of the resolution and the people in the community that it has affected, you know, we have people that they were murdered. It was proof who murdered them. We are convicting our colleague in the court of the public and it's unfair. You know, bringing this resolution Demonizing our colleague for something that he has not been convicted of is very unfair. That's just like me putting forth a resolution for National Pay Your Water Bill Month. I'm not going to do that because we want to keep the main thing the main thing. And the main thing is this. This is domestic violence month. It is. It's something that we acknowledge all throughout the world.

She can't help herself. But what is not is not a time to throw shots at our colleague. Any shots that need to be fired will come from you mentioned Judge Haley and the other people that are charged with this case. She's crazy.

So it is very disrespectful. It was It's irresponsible and it's flatout tacky. We're talking about teaching young ladies etiquette and stuff and this is primary this is a primary example of what not to do especially as a grown woman in our elected seats. Now do I support standing with domestic violent victim? You better believe it. I mean I'm just saying we can laugh but we have a colleague that threatened to beat me up. We have a colleague that lunged at me from that chair. We have a colleague that have verbally attacked people on this body. And I'm one of them. But I never heard one person up here that's fighting so hard for this resolution say anything outside of council shot and the uh former council person Eva Worththingy. Who heard that? When a gentleman sit up here and calls people names, call females names weekly. We don't see anybody that support domestic violence, verbal or physical, say anything about it. So if we going to stand for domestic violence, let's stand all the way. But if we're going to use our seats as weapons, we need to sit down and reeval evaluate why we're here. Cuz this is not why I'm here. So when the courts have their ruling, then we will address what's happening here. Until then, let's let them figure it out and we do our job in these chambers. And these jobs consist of passing money and making ordinances so we can move this city forward. We can laugh, we can giggle, but you're dealing with someone's life here. You're dealing with someone's father here. You're dealing with someone's son here, someone's brother.

and it's not funny. So, thank you so much, Madam Chair, for being allowed to speak. But I just want to compel this body that when you do and if you do choose to vote for this, let's vote for it in the correct spirit. In the spirit that we're supporting people that are suffering through this, people that have been charged and convicted, not people that have personal vendettas and want to smear people name, not the way, and that's not what I'm here for. Thank you, Madam Chair. Councilwoman, in the fourth ward, you have

I 100% agree with Dr. Lewis. In the spirit, I I support this policy. My grand my mother's cousin was murdered by her ex-husband who later committed suicide. We know it was him. Soon as she started bringing up our colleague, she turned me off. Telling you that right now. My sister has been abused by partners of both sexes, but there should be no names attached because there was. I'm voting no. Thank you. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak in the first round of discussion?

Seeing as how there's no one else who wishes to speak in the first round of discussion, is there anyone who wishes to speak in this second round of discussion? Madam Chair, Councilwoman in the sixth ward.

Yeah. Thank you. Well, the fact that they decided to take and that's their choice to kind of divert it, but it is a very real thing with the news and what happened and what the Jese County prosecutor. The prosecutor, the prosecutor charged him. It's not about him. I mentioned Princess William, but y'all didn't hear that part. I also mentioned the one with the killing where the young lady was choked with a belt and then dismembered in a tub. You missed that part. But Liddell, you were harboring a fugitive while he was on the run.

And what you did not know was she was able to track. Please pause her time. Please pause her time. Was at your house. What's your point of order? Point of order is Councilwoman Burns is I can't say speaking to the motives, but she's saying that I'm harboring a fugitive. Yeah, he was able to track. Councilwoman Burns, I'm going to ask you to uh stop going down that road. Please continue. Yeah, I'll stop going down that road, but she opened that door.

She opened it. Continue. And my my point is speaking to domestic violence that each part where wherever he went, he was at her house and she could time it when he had a open warrant. She brought this up. I did not. So when we talk about how disrespect how disrespectful that this woman had to go into hiding, she is somebody's mother. She is somebody's daughter. She does matter. She is loved by people. And so when you sit up here instead of and he's not even here technically he lives on Berkeley Street with me, not even on M cuz there's a registered sex offender living in that house. Guys point. What's your point of order?

He's tethered to Councilwoman Burns. Please go ahead. You know, no, we're going to let her finish. Okay, Councilwoman Burns, continue. So when we talk about this because with your your fake accusations that you could not allow this to go for the other women and disproportionately that black women are victims of domestic violence, but you made yourself a victim. You made yourself the victim and never experienced domestic violence. I have said it here. Leon triggers my domestic violence issues and how dare you support him and you harbored him at your home. You hared him.

Councilwoman Burns, can we please pause the time? So, you are supposed to be directing any and all comments to the chair, not to Councilwoman Lewis. So, Councilwoman Burns, Councilwoman Burns. So, you cannot continue down the line that you're going. You cannot direct anything to her. That is a council rule and you know it. So, please move on from that line. Correct. It's a council rule and she broke it, but you didn't stop. Please move on from that line. You did not stop her with the shots she took. And I I gave you some liberty as well, but you kept going. So, please

My point is this. We can't change the fact that on July 10th, Kiki Martin was strangled. It happened. The police showed up. They gave testimony in the court and it was bound over to a higher court. But it showed in the hospital room that she had bruises on her body, on her neck, on her head. Her head was yanked. It was punched in the back of the head. And know what else? Because I was there in the car. You were too with with your hoodie on. Wow.

But she had she had the bruises and and to not be able to What kind of person finds solace supporting the person who did the vi? I don't understand that. I don't understand that this is about domestic violence. I'm supporting it. Vote no if you want to. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak in the second round of discussion? Is there anyone else who wishes to speak in the second round of discussion? Madam Chair, Councilwoman Lewis,

thank you so much. Um, so, um, I'm just going to just sum it up just real quick. Yes, everyone have loved ones here. And that's why it's important for us to intentionally be fair to everyone's loved ones. To Miss Martin's loved ones, to Mr. L. Alamine's loved ones. We need to make sure before any accusation is made that we have facts. Just like a fact was just stated that Mr. Elmine live on Berkeley, the same street you live on. Can't really say that because no water usage, no water bill payment. So, is that really true that you live on the water? She's lying.

It's not important. I'm not Can we pause because I'm a light her butt up. Can I get your daddy water bill out of Councilwoman Burns? Councilwoman Burns. Point of order to me. Okay, I got you. I got you. What's your point of order? My point of order, she's not Germaine. I live on Berkeley. You done fell asleep on my couch Berkeley with your narcolepsy. Council woman, I got I got to ask you to stop. I know, but we got to refrain from violating people's medical history though for not being and if she's watching how many times I flush my toilet. So your point is your point over this way. Your point is she's not being derine.

She's not being gerine. Councilwoman Lewis, I'm going to ask you to not go down that road. Well, um, excuse me, Madam Chair, with all due respect due to the fact she brought up her living on Berkeley. I wasn't going down Berkeley. Where decided to she decide again, she said, tell me where do I live, please? Okay, cut of my house, of my mother's house. Be outraged about that. Councilwoman Burns, point of order, directed this way. Where do I live? Councilwoman Burns, directed this way. Asking where you live is information. Yes. Asking where you live is not a point of order. A request for information. What is your request? Where do I live?

She doesn't know. And she's not going to disclose your address. We can't disclose your address. And she's been to my house more than once. Again, sister, that's a lie. She stated, no need to lie. She stated that Mr. Elamine lived down the street. He's tethered to Berkeley. Request for information. Does she know he's tethered to Berkeley? Councilwoman Burns, I haven't even acknowledged the request. Listen, listen. She keep taking shots.

I understand. But Councilwoman Burns, I also want to point out that when you were speaking, you got everything you wanted to say out. She hit you with a point of order maybe once. Now, we have done this several times of telling everybody, "Hey, stay Germaine. Don't open doors. Don't do this. Don't do that. But you have to understand that if one attack comes, somebody is probably going to rebuttal that attack. Absolutely. So you can't open doors and launch charges. This is supposed to be about domestic violence victims. I would love if we could just continue on, but Dr. Lewis, it is your time.

I definitely appreciate that. And again, if we just keep the main thing the main thing, we wouldn't be here. And did I want to go on that road? I don't. But we must accentuate this behavior. The first piece is if we're going to acknowledge domestic violence awareness month, let's acknowledge that in this totality and move on. Let's not take cheap shots at colleagues, particularly ones that are not here. Not what we're here for. You let the court deal with convictions, not here. The second piece is if we're going to talk about people and where they live, don't get out of order when someone points out where you haven't been living. Information.

Councilwoman Burns, what is your request? Um, she can put on the record where she think I live. I don't have no secret. Councilwoman Burns, that's not a question. That's not a proper request. Well, where does she think I live? It's not a proper request. Dr. Lewis, continue. Thank you. I mean, I I don't care where she live, but it's not on Berkeley. So, let's not accuse the council, man. I'm just saying you have water used if you live in a house. People that live in a house, you flush your toilet, you wash your hands, you use water,

not months without doing so at that address. So, please disclose to this body where you live since you want to disclose where CL through you, madam chair, the to the council, and let me tell you, let me tell you, wait, you don't you don't have the floor. Let me tell you something. What we're not going to do. We're not disclosing addresses. We're not doing that. We're not putting people in harm's way. We're not pulling up to houses with other folks. We're not doing none of that. Stop. You have the floor.

I thank you so much. So again, back to the point. I am closing the the Berkeley door and then I'm going to close the door on our councilman and whatever legal battles that he may be facing in in court. May justice be served. But I will not demonize anyone up here for anything that you have not been charged or convicted with. The cheap shots at me harboring a a fugitive preposterous. But in terms of of of people driving people with questionable mental health to my doorstep, factual and on fair information. Please pause the time.

You check Leon for taking pictures of my mother and where my child lives. That's supposed to be directed toward the chair. Okay, I'm done. She keep taking directed toward the chair. Council, now this is again shows why we might need some drug testing. We have a council woman who who acts I rate. She won't stay with order. She won't talk on her turn. She keeps interrupting. This is very questionable. So again order the she needs to stay Germaine cuz I don't have a drug problem. When I get one, I'll let you know. But by the choice of your wigs, you got one. Councilwoman Burns.

So Councilwoman Burns, what we're not going to do, you have no more times to use privileged motions and take the floor. And then you have no more times to direct it anyway other than the chair. So come on now. Go ahead, Councilwoman Lewis. Yeah, I'm just going to wrap this. I I don't support this the way it is is brought. So I I support the victims, but the way that is politicized, absolutely not.

Is there anyone else who wishes to speak in the second round of discussion? We're not We're not doing that. Okay. So, I'm gonna take some time. I am very clear on the fact that the way that this was bought, it it it was very much political. I'm I'm clear on that, right? I don't think that it was bought in good faith. I don't I don't agree that it was bought here to do anything other than cause embarrassment for someone. But what I do agree with are the words on this page and the fact that we all know someone who was affected by domestic violence. I am struggling here because there are two things happening right now that are true. This is completely political for the person that bought it here, but that doesn't change the fact that this should be acknowledged by the people that are

point of order subject to it. Go ahead, Councilwoman Burns. You're it's not political. First of all, Robert's rules 43.21. You're speaking to my motive to correct. It's not Thank you. It's not political uh to me. Okay. Seeing viewers bruises on women is a problem for me.

All right. I understand a formentioned statement stood on. I do believe that as a city we should recognize this. I also don't want my recognition to be treated as an indictment of someone. And so this puts us in a very precarious situation. I am going to support the fact that we have domestic violence abuse victims and that this is domestic violence awareness month. I will support that. I'm not supporting any public indictments, any political indictments, any other whatever that comes with this. I am supporting actual victims who live through this. Um, I'm supporting both women and men who need us as a city to recognize this. With that said, I will yield my time. This is the roll call vote for resolution 2550356-T, which is the resolution proclaiming October 2025 as domestic violence awareness month in Flint, Michigan. Roll call. Madam Secretary,

Dr. Lewis, no. Miss Johnson, yes. Miss Priestley, no. I didn't hear no. Okay. Miss Winfrey Carter. Yes. Miss Burns. Yes. Miss Machet. Yes. Mr. Jared. Yes. You have five yes. Two no.

The vote is five yes, two no. Resolution 2550356-T has moved to council. Moving forward, um, special order discussion item 2550330-t, which is discussion item for water testing the 34- 3600 blocks of Bronell Boulevard. A discussion item as requested by Council President Lewis to discuss issues concerning water testing within the 3,400 through 3600 blocks of Brownell Boulevard. Dr. Lewis,

it's been a few years um since Mr. Roy Fields came here with his pictures showing his body um saying that um that the water have basically put him his family in harm's way. Councilwoman um Winfrey Carter as well as Councilman Murphy, they put a res well I guess a special order on the floor to have that block tested and this body agreed to do so. Can we pause? I'm sorry. Um we'll start with a 15m minute and then go from there. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Dr. Lewis.

Yeah. So um so we voted to have that done. Um it was not done in the manner that we said that it was supposed to be done. We had our water department go and they went to test the residents homes and the residents did not want the water part department doing it because in our order it said that an outside entity and there have been no outside entity to test the water. So we need to formally um make it happen because they're still having um according to Mr. feels his uh his shower brush that he hangs on his shower and the only thing that happened is water drips on it is still turning black and he still has concerns with black uh stuff forming around his toilet. He has concerns and so I just want us just to make good on what we said that we were going to do. So cuz we said that we were going to do it. So I would like to um for us to um do all things necessary to have an outside firm come in and test the water. I've been trying to work with administration to get it done. um several u Mr. Ken um and the ones before him. It has not happened. I don't know if it's being held up intentionally. I have no clue. I just know that it's not happening. So, and it's real clear. An outside agency test the 34 to 3600 block of Bronnell Boulevard. That's all we need to have happen. No excuses. Test their water so we can move forward. And

do we have the Was it Was it done by resolution or it was done by resolution? Yes. Do we have the resolution number and what the resolution reads? I do I do not have it and I see that the clerk is not here. So, um Okay. I'll go ahead and ask for that, but it definitely needs to happen. So, and I I'll yield the floor if we have anyone else want to comment on that. Madam Chair, councilwoman in the fourth ward.

I actually don't remember if it was done by resolution, but we actually did make a motion and approved it. Maybe we do need to do that formally into a form of a resolution and and get that done so that it it will happen because I thought it had I know that at one point I had spoken to um who man was before

Mr. Ken um and he says I don't know h how to test for this and um and I said well we you got to you've got to figure it out. I said we mandated you to do this and so it's absolutely imperative that this testing gets done. So if we need to do a resolution then I'm going to request a resolution be written. Um I will send an email to the clerk and ask her to have it ready for special affairs on Monday. Request for information.

What is your request? What would be the steps that we would take after testing and if it were to come back in a positive way that whatever is showing what's going to be our next step we would have to know what the results of those testings were. I mean but what what what are because we may end up

so the the next step from that after the water is tested in a resident's home depending on what is found in the water then it is either something that the city and or state would have to take care of as far as um remedying and moving to the next steps to help the resident. Okay. And and we're only talking about we're talking about two blocks here. But if there are concerns in other places, how are we going to address those? Oh, is that to me? I'm just I'm I'm I'm guess.

So, I believe the reason that Councilwoman Winry Card and I can't speak to her, but she is here. And Councilman Murphy said these specific two blocks is because it's where the resident who had the extreme health scare and who's having the issues. That is why it was those specific blocks. But if something is found there, then again, that would be up to the city and the state to figure out if they test out more or if residents come forward and say, "I live within that area. I would like my water tested for those same things because it might be a problem with the area." And so I just want I'm bringing clarity. It's only one block. It's one block. It's one block.

Oh, it is because it's straight across. What What number? the 3,400 block to the um 3600 block. And um Madame Chair, Councilwoman Carter, I believe too when we um voted on that res resolution or that motion, um I believe it was another um resident in that same immediate area that said something too. So, um, and I would say we need to get a resolution with all of that in and then vote on it.

And, um, and then, um, you know, the administration will then need to act on it to get things um, rolling. Madam Chair, thank you, Madam Chair. Are you okay, Councilwoman? In the sixth award, so there are many people on that block. Um, Arthur Woodson's auntie died of an aggressive cancer. She goes all the way down to like Steuart Street.

Um, you also have his cousin who lived in that house. They both died. Across the street, you have three people across the street who had an aggressive cancer. And also on the blocks over I would say I think to if we're going to do it we probably do a square um a square because a lot of people it's under reportported and that in that area there are many people who have had aggressive cancers in that block which would be I believe Sunny Street um to Stewart and even if we're taking it down to um Fleming Road and even going because you lose a big park because of the park down to file road um to make sure that we're covering and collecting data on it because there are many people who have died or aggressive cancer. By the time they find out that they have it, it's in stage four

and it's aggressive and they're telling them to make plans for burial and soon after that it's hospice. And some of the pictures I've seen um with Arthur Woodson's aunt and cousin, the skin literally and by two by four inches falling off and peeling off of the body and I wouldn't want to live in in in that area because I know there's a lot of people who talk about it that and I don't know what would make it so different, but I went to Mr. Royy's house. He owns two homes right next door to each other on Brale and he's he's in the section where his block is between Pasadena and I think is it is it is it Sunny but he lives in that block that is the smaller homes and it seems to have to have affected that group. So, I think if we're going to test, I think we should do like a square diameter. Um, because he's been complaining for years, and he was complaining, you know, and he's brought his pictures numerous times to show about his health, um, the mold that he said was growing in his bathroom, his faucets, um, being deteriorating, um, to where it's like the water ate them up on them. So I would say to do it much further because we know those are problems but what about the ones we don't know about because it goes down to Stewart and I think his aunt Arthur Woodson's aunt lived three or four houses from the corner I believe I believe three from Stewart Street on Brale

yeah and so it's not just one block it extends down I know uh on the corners the greenhouse um the gentleman, he died of cancer as a friend of my father's. Another one, Mr. Peacock, um, who lived two doors down from him, he had cancer. And so, we know that there is a issue in that area, a serious one. So, I yield the floor. Is there anyone else? So, I will say that um in that resolution, if you're going to use a third party site, which I'm I'm that's what you all said. I would suggest that it's a third party that does full panel,

third party water testing is what you're asking for. If you are going to use third party, um I would suggest that the resolution says a full panel so that you're testing for everything because just with some of the things that you all have described, it could be manganesees, it could be iron, it could be arsenic, it could be hydrogen sulfide, it could be some sort of industrial chemical, it could be a number of things. And so you need someone that tests for every thing that could possibly be in water. I just said watering.

I mean I I mean but when you say water testing, I could just test you for one or two things and I've tested your water. So you it needs to be specific that you need a full panel. Yeah. You need to be tested for every possible thing. Yeah. That needs to be clear. And then not only that, when you say everything, it needs to be both metal and um uh uh um No, no, no. Although that wouldn't hurt. Yeah. Uh but um cyanide. No, we boil our water. Leia. No. It's on the tip of my tongue. Has to be metal and bacteria. There we go. Metal and bacteria.

Yeah. any just full you need to check for so it needs to be everything um how many emails put in this no literally I'm just giving you an idea when I say everything I mean not just elements it also needs to be bacteria testing

make sure y'all give yourselves options too of more than one third party a few that you're going to get to do a full panel you should give them the names in it that who you would recommend though that you dealing with water.

Um, is there anyone else who wishes to speak during this special order? All right. Well, seeing as how there's no one else who wishes to speak during the special order, Councilwoman Priestley has sent the necessary email to the city clerk to get that resolution prepared. Um, special affairs, I guess, is where we'll put that because this years in the making. So, all right. Um, special order 2550330- discussion for the item water testing 34 through 3600 blocks of Bryell Boulevard is closed. Moving to special order discussion item 2550354-T, which is the discussion item for the Civil Service Commission. Um, a discussion item as requested by Council President Dr. Liddell Lewis to discuss the Civil Service Commission. Dr. Lewis, you have the floor.

Thank you. Um, so before can we um we'll we'll do 20. 20. Okay.

All right. So, um,

before Councilman Murphy passed away, he was adamant on making sure that we followed through with our civil service commission, and it's in the charter, and there's no reason why we should not have had this done. Uh, and what it is is a a commission. You can find it on page 51 in your charter. Hopefully, it's not an old charter. Um, but and it talks about um their purpose, who's supposed to to make up who's supposed to make up this body and so forth. And so it said that there are three classes of civil service commission members. Two to represent employees, two represent administration and three to represent the public at large. Members shall be chosen the following manner and everything is detailed here. Um we are waiting on um madame clerk to send us the list of committees that we must field and it should be hitting our inbox any day now to see what um what commissions and what board that we need to fill. But we also need to fill this. says this need to be added to the number. Um some people may feel that it's not needed that we haven't had it thus far. So why do it now? Because it's in the charter. Now uh my whole push is because it's in the charter and my goal is to follow the charter uh follow the charter. And so if we can get this civil service commission um established, you know, then this will be part of our duties. So, just want to put that on the floor and hear what my um colleagues have to say about the Civil Service Commission so we can move forward with intentionality and also seriousness because we we spoke about it but never moved on it. It's time to move on it. Go ahead, ma'am.

Sorry. I'm sorry about that. Thank you, Madam Chair. I thought you were done. Madam Chair, councilwoman in the fourth ward.

During budget hearings, I brought up this to Eddie and um he said, "Well, there's only like two positions that the Civil Service Commission would be covered." I believe he said there was two. Don't quote me on the exact number. And um I said, "Well, it's in the charter. We've got to have it." And as far as I nothing's been done. Um so I agree with you. It's in the charter. We need to do it. Just like much as I disagree necessarily with the revenue estimation commission, that's in the charter as well. about that the what

the revenue estimation commission. I find that to be one that um will be very difficult to fill but um that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do it if not actually do it. But the big thing is is getting that civil service commission in place. Um and I support that 100%. The question is is how do we go about doing it? Oh, wow. Thank you.

Thank you. Anybody else? I'm going just read this real quick for y'all then. Um, Civil Service Commission membership terms and removal. The Civil Service Commission shall serve in the interest of all the citizens of the city of Flint and shall consist of individuals selected on the basis of their reputation for fair-mindedness and objectivity. The Civil Service Commission shall serve without compensation. There are three classes of Civil Service Commission members. Two to represent the employees, two to represent the administration, and three to represent the public at large. Members shall be chosen in the following manner. Employee representatives. The city of Flint shall by ordinance provide for the nomination and election by City of Flint employees of two employee representatives. Administration representatives. The mayor shall appoint two administration representatives. The four members chosen under paragraphs A and B shall within 60 days unanimously select three persons as public at large representatives except as limited in section 5-101. Any vacancies arising shall be filled within 60 days in the same manner as initial selection and only for the unexpired term. No member of the civil service commission shall be a city employee during his or her term of office. All members of the civil service commission must be a resident of the city of Flint. The chairperson and other officers of the civil service commission shall be chosen from among the public at large representatives. Terms of appointment, one person chosen by city of Flint employees shall have initial term of 5 years and the other person shall have an initial term of three years. One administrative administration representative shall have an initial term of three years and the other administration representative shall have an initial term of one year. Those chosen chosen as public at large representatives shall have initial terms of one, two, and four years. As initial terms expire, appointments shall be for fiveyear terms. And then removal, we don't need need to get into all that. I was just answering your question about

how does that work. Um, the staff of the civil service commission shall include a director. The director shall be appointed by and responsible to the civil service commission. The civil service commission may hire additional staff as required. Removal of civil service director shall be subject to removal from office by a vote of five members of the civil service commission. Such removal may occur only after written notice for persons for removal are delivered to the director at least 30 days prior to the date of a public hearing conducted in accordance to the due process. The city of Flint shall provide an annual appropriations that are necessary and sufficient for the civil service commission to conduct its business. So I do want to point out that piece there with the appropriations. We did adopt a budget. I don't believe there was anything for civil service commission in the budget. So, in order to have and I'm sorry, what was that?

I double check.

So, I mean, I may be mistaken. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but um as of right now, we're going to move off of the assumption that there was not any money allocated to um have a uh civil civil service commission staff. Therefore, that would have to be a budget amendment by the council in order to make that happen. Um, and so it would be for the director and the director to have staff. And then also, I would assume we should know where they will be housed as well. So if you have a staff, you have employees. Apparently, you have somewhere to be a staff and an employee at, right? Um, and the civil service commission shall be responsible for enforcing the merit principle and all aspects of personnel administration in the city of Flint, including hiring and promotion, receiving investigation and deciding disputes between the city of Flint and any of its employees in the classified service, protecting City of Flint employees from political pressures, and advising the human resources director, mayor, and city council concerning personnel administration. The civil service commission shall not have the power to develop personnel policies but shall have authority to make recommendations regarding revision of all personnel matters for the perform excuse me for the performance of the foregoing duties. The civil servant commi commission may conduct investigations and hearings and powers given to the civil service commission. And according to our charter, they may hold hearings, subpoena witnesses, administer oath, take testimony, and require the production of evidence. To enforce a subpoena or order for the production of evidence, or to impose any penalty prescribed for failure to obey a subpoena or order, the Civil Service Commission shall apply the appropriate court. The Civil Service Commission may delegate the powers to holding hearings, administering oath, and taking testimonies. So, and then it just goes into a little bit more about employee grievances and all of that, but you all can grab a copy of our charter. And all of that

information starts on page 51 and it goes all the way to page 55. But as of right now, I guess we look at how we start a civil service commission. One, and then two, we must look at if there was something placed in the budget for a director and staff. And then if not, we will have to make the appropriate um adjustments and then they'll also have to figure out where there will be well where they will be housed which hopefully that doesn't cost more money on us. Dr. Lewis. So um so since this isn't as easy as people allocation, we have to hire some folks and etc. Let's make it a priority to do it for next budget. So we uh we can do that next budget. But the revenue estimation, we don't need to have a director and stuff for that, do we? All right.

Cool. For the what? I'm sorry. Committee of volunteers. Estimation. Okay. Yeah. So, um so yeah. So, thank you all for the for the discussion and yeah. So, let's work on that next budget and for the rest revenue estimation. Let's go ahead and get that done and also fill the rest of these committees. So, we gonna have a discussion about that one. I'm sorry. Yeah, go ahead. So, no, no, I'm just saying obviously this is not the time because that's not what this time was set aside for, but are we going to do that next meeting, next committee, revenue estimation? Yes, I think it'd be a good idea.

All right, madam secretary, uh I guess that's an o for madam clerk that for the next um what committee am I in right now? For the next governmental operations committee, we would like to have a special order discussion item for the uh revenue. What is it? June estimation. Revenue estimation committee. I'm assuming it's a committee. Thank you. Uh is there anyone else who would like to speak on this special order? Seeing as how there's no one else, this special order is closed. I will entertain a motion. Madam Chair, Councilwoman in the second w motion to get out of here. There's a motion to adjurnn by the councilwoman in the second ward. Is there support? Support.

Moved and properly supported by the councilwoman in the fourth ward. Roll call. Madam secretary. Dr. Lewis. Yes. Miss Johnson. Yes. Miss Priestley. Yes. Miss Winfrey Carter. Yes. Miss Burns. Yes. Miss Machet. Yes. Mr. Jared. Yes. Seven. Yes. Zero. No. Seven. Yes. Zero no. 8:56 p.m. Monday, October 22nd. This uh government operations committee meeting is adjourned.