City Council - Regular Meeting

The Public Work Committee and Transport of the Municipal Council... Here. According to the Law of Open Meetings, anyone can record an audio or video recording of this public meeting, or can broadcast this public meeting on the media. Therefore, it is advised to the attendees that such broadcasts or recordings are being carried out, whether perceived or not, by those present, and if they are considered recognized and allowed, they will accept a motion to remove a point from the order.

First, it's the turn of the practice.

Does anyone want to come down and talk? Does anyone want to come down and talk?

No one has signed up. The agenda is point number one of the order.

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Second, accept a motion to accept the acts. Second, accept a motion to accept the acts. Second, accept a motion to accept the acts. Second, accept a motion to accept the acts.

Second, accept a motion to accept the acts.

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Second, accept a motion to accept the acts. Second, accept a motion to accept the acts.

Motion to alter the order of point 4. Point 4, a motion has been presented and all in favor? Yes. Anyone against? The motion is approved. Point number 4. Timothy R. Long, 1343 Newhall Street. Retire of 9 feet, 1 inch. Of frame for a total opening of 24 feet, 1 inch. In 6777 Meridian Street. Submitted on July 14, 2026. I'm going to go down. I'm going to go down, please.

Well, I just want to review it.

Yes, the full opening would be 24-1. I think the first hearing was about traffic, then it was the town hall. There were no problems and then they returned it here.

The reason was that it was done after the fact.

Correct. And we were just going to enter this. I mean, this is the reality that is cut and... First house that I built. I made some mistakes and I'm just trying to find a solution to correct them. I'm not trying to violate any rules or act above the law.

That's right.

Agreed. To... approve.

Yes. And they're not going to do anything else. They're going to continue as nobody.

Continue as they are. But... what? We can't. We can't. It will be in the order of the day of the council meeting tonight.

I think that would be the way it would work, I don't know where I'll give it to you. It's fine. Yes, the committee only makes a recommendation to the plenary session, except that they vote about it. No, it means that I'm trying to save time.

I thank you.

I could pay the fine that is, there are only four audiences, but that's crazy.

So it works like this, the council has to vote about it. The three of us don't have that authority. We make a recommendation and the same according to what we hear from you and what else you want to talk about, and then we vote in the whole council of the city. It's nothing different from what we've done with all the others.

I understand. I understand.

And look, we don't have four meetings either. I understand. I'm learning.

Well, my question would be to move quickly to the city. Don't approve it, what happens then? Or is it the next step?

I'm not sure it's going to be a bad option. I'm not sure. I don't see why it's not going to happen.

Yes. I don't know.

I'm not willing to not support it.

I will support it.

Well, I don't see why I wouldn't try. I didn't know. It's just a process. We can't vote it out. Period. It has to be a vote by the council in the plenum. I understand. If we asked to vote it out, we would do it now and we would finish it. I wish it were that simple.

Thank you. The stipulation.

Indica pagar una tarifa de permiso doble en 30 días tras la adopción.

Hace dos días se retiró sin la plaga de aprobación del Consejo Municipal. Eso es lo que se decidió en el Consejo.

Bueno, la tarifa de permiso de 250 que ya pagué y luego otras dos tarifas más, ese cargo de... 250 es una cuota de doble edición. Ya.

Emociones secundadas.

Dos a favor.

Alguien en contra. Emociones aprobadas.

Thank you. I should stay for tonight's meeting. Come on.

I asked you if you wanted to stay. I have another meeting.

I just didn't want to lose anything that should be present.

That's it. Thank you.

Point number four, I mean, point number three, sorry. Resolution transmitted to the residents and the City's Engineering Corporation Council can discuss the concerns about the state near Greenfield Street, Judge Street, Judge Street. Greenleaf Street, Judge Street.

No problem. You can come.

Anyone who wants to go to the Corporation, come to the city planner. If I don't want to be an engineer in the city, I'm going to go down. Can everyone on the table give their name and address so that it is an act, please.

Kim Riley, R-E-Y, 35 George Street, Fall River, Massachusetts.

Jennifer Dutra, 91 Greenleaf Street, Fall River, Massachusetts.

Chris Howard, Director of Community Maintenance.

Daniel Igle, Director of Engineering and Planning.

Alan Ramsey, Lawyer.

Counselor Kenny, do you want to surrender?

Welcome. It's a pleasure to meet with you and meet the residents of Greenleaf, George Street, and be able to see the state of Irwin Lane. While I was talking to you the other day, I was trying to find an email from the legal advisor and I was able to find it in the first place. Well, I have some questions for the legal advisor regarding that. Well, he sent an email to the council, to the mayor on August 4th, which I would like to read so that it is in the act, which said, Mayor Kugan, the city of Fall River is not legally obliged to maintain Aruda Lane, a private road located entirely on Roll Island. This continues to be the case, even if the city previously made repairs on the private road. The responsibility for the maintenance of Aruda Lane lies with the residents who use the private road to access their properties in Fall River. Y con ese fin, la primera pregunta que tengo para usted, el asesor jurídico, es específicamente si leo su correo electrónico, me parece que ningún mantenimiento recae en el propietario real de la propiedad, aunque esta sea una vía privada que es Redis Day Reform.

Lo que recae en el propietario real. Mi pregunta era, me preguntaron específicamente si la ciudad estaba obligada legalmente a pavimentar la vía de acceso a la que anda. La respuesta es sí.

Well, according to your email, it seems that the responsibility of Red Lane falls on the residents of Judge Street.

Yes, I mean, normally in a situation of servitude like this, there is usually an association of owners. It seems that normally there would be some kind of association of owners, so it would be an obligation of the people who own properties to take charge of the servitude. I mean, in the case of Fall River, it is even different in this case because there are two things that are different. One is a private road and it is located in a foreign state. So those two things make it very difficult. Which would be, frankly, quite easy if the residents gathered their money to make repairs. Okay, listen.

Please.

We don't need anyone from Nueva Orleans to comment on the meeting. If you want to talk, you are welcome to come down and take the floor. Wait a minute.

So when I look at a street over there, East End Sportsman Lane, which I think probably must be using a similar situation to the one you describe because there are properties in Fall River, in U.A. However, I think the key distinction there is that it is not an accepted street. So my question for you is, if we had an accepted street, which is what we have in this case, Greenleaf and Judge Street, look at the acceptance. The acceptance says that when we accept it up to the Turbante line, because we accept those streets, that also forces us to pave it from that part of Turbante, so that it is clear, so that it is clear.

No.

When we think about the fact that the city has done some maintenance in the past with respect to 2007, we completely paved it and we have made some potholes, I think over the years. I think I saw some filled in 2020. That filling of potholes or paving forces us to maintain that part that we have been maintaining in the future if, as you say, we are not responsible.

No, I mean, that's what I mentioned, one of the things that I mentioned in Curorito. If the city did some repair work in the past, does it force you to take future measures? I don't know, so I'm not questioning what happened in 2007, if I remember correctly what happened then. But I don't even know if it was done correctly. There are many things that would have to happen before that happens, more than simply sending the DPP to do some repair work.

Yes, I think this is difficult because, you know, just by looking at the state of the rest of the city, our roads are in very bad condition. I've seen something as bad as this lane that is in Tiberton. We have Copacabana. I've been there and I've seen the residents and that's actually Fall River and you have to fix it because I think it's even worse. That and Old Dinktown Road, but I don't know what to do with it. Obviously, the council can't, you know, order any city authority. You can't order an engineer from the city to fill this out and tell them to do it, even in particular. And this is Diverton and Rhode Island on a private route. So I'll let my colleagues give their opinion and the

Counselor, I think you wanted to do a PowerPoint presentation. Okay. Do you want to do it now?

I have an initial statement that I was able to read perfectly with the PowerPoint.

Okay, go ahead.

I have more than connection problems. I was already plugged in, it worked. And now the TV that I use doesn't work. It doesn't work.

Okay. Let me see.

Yes.

Are you ready? Out of curiosity, how long is this presentation?

Only two hours. Okay. I've been here all this time. It's only a couple of minutes. Maybe ten minutes maximum.

Out of curiosity. We have two days.

Good evening, Mr. President, members of the committee, city engineers, corporate advice. Gracias por reunir a todos los departamentos para que se sienten con nosotros esta noche. Mi nombre es Janet Riley y estoy con mi marido Jim Kenneth.

Además, estos son si nuestros vecinos pudieran ponerse de pie un minuto. Solo queríamos mostrar el tipo de apoyo que tenemos aquí para apoyar esto.

Todos estamos muy interesados en el resultado y en el tipo de avance que podemos obtener hoy. Así que gracias.

He vivido en Judge Street durante 44 años. In November, tonight, my neighbor Jen Dutra and I from Greenleaf Street are here representing the 20 families in our neighborhood. We want to formally thank Councilor Peckham for sponsoring this event, Councilor Pond for taking us to the table, Councilors Hoth and Canuel for their in-situ inspections, and finally, the mayor for seeing firsthand the dangers of security that our families face every day. Uno de nuestros objetivos hoy es que el Departamento Jurídico de la Ciudad dedique su tiempo y recursos a buscar una resolución legal para arreglar esta carretera y no explicar por qué no se puede hacer. A cada persona de esta mesa se le ha proporcionado un paquete físico completo de escrituras, diseños, aceptación de la carretera y la advertencia del jefe de bomberos, Bacon. Esta documentación se envió al Departamento Jurídico de Fall River el 26 de junio y al asesor corporativo, Rumsey, el 14 de julio. No estamos aquí esta noche para debatir teorías jurídicas abstractas ni más retrasos administrativos. Estamos aquí para establecer una solución inmediata de infraestructura transfronteriza para una crisis de seguridad activa. La realidad jurídica ya en que esta noche tal como la veo es en blanco y negro. Déjame que te lo explique.

¿Ya has llegado?

Quiero la matriz. En primer lugar, la ciudad de Fall River creó esta anomalía estructural. En 1977, el Consejo Municipal votó formalmente para aceptar Greenleaf Street y Judge Street como vías públicas lo que convirtió a Fall River en el único beneficiario de estas parcelas residenciales. According to Massachusetts subdivision control laws, specifically MGLC 41.8.11 and 81M, and see matrix B, a municipality is strictly prohibited from accepting internal subdivision roads unless a permanent, adequate physical access to an existing public road is guaranteed. Access means a practical physical reality, not a theoretical line in a plane, By accepting our streets, leaving its only access point on a road as a road completely without access to the sea through the Rhode Island border, the city has undergone a serious planning defect for almost 50 years. Secondly, does this city have the permanent and indelegable duty to act? According to MGLC 84.1, see the point A of the matrix, Fall River has the legal obligation to keep public roads located within its limits, safe, open and comfortable to travel. As its constitutions, we use the analogy of the room and the door. Greenleaf and Judge streets are public spaces, of which Fall River acquired 100% ownership in 1977 Arbutus Lane. It is the only access door to that room If it is allowed for that door to collapse and become an impenetrable wall of crevices and elevations due to freezing, it will be actively violating the legal duty to keep public roads within that room accessible. In third place, regarding the concern about private property outside the state, if the position of the city's legal department is that spending municipal funds through state borders constitutes an invasion of private property or an illegal donation according to the anti-help amendment, we provide the city's legal department with the legal exemption on November 15, 1977, of Frank M. Silva's law firm, where the original owner of the land, Georgiana Ruda, signed explicitly his trademark, granting Fall River permanent permission to fill holes and spread gravel on their right, in private. This permission coincided directly with the executive order of pavement of Mayor Wilfred Driscoll on April 7, 1976, related to the PPW, which is probably up there on the screen. Para cimentar este precedente de 50 años de cuidado municipal y confianza de los residentes, tenemos una copia notariada de un nuevo acuerdo de servidumbre de mantenimiento voluntario y derecho de entrada firmado directamente por el actual propietario del terreno, Tony Moniz Jr. Este acuerdo proporciona el marco legal para la ciudad. According to section 2, Tony Moniz grants Fall River, which has the explicit legal right in front of it, to pave the residential section of Media Milla. There is no intrusion, annexation or appropriation of land According to Section 5, the landowner is granted a Clause of Mutual Exemption of Responsibility and Exoneration of Responsibility, completely protecting Fall River from any civil claim of property while we perform repairs. According to the Rhode Island Law, the General Laws of Rhode Island 349.1-2, landowners do not have any physical or financial obligation to maintain a right of passage The maintenance load falls 100% on the beneficiaries of the dominant property. This means that farmers, municipalities, garbage fleets, school transport and emergency services that use this lane to enter and exit are legally responsible for its maintenance. We have provided the historical records. The vote of the Municipal Council of Tiverton in 2006, which removed them from the responsibility of Our Lady's Lane. The Neighborhood Trust Agreement of 1991. Y ahora el consentimiento explícito notariado del propietario actual, del propietario. Según mi investigación, parece que la ciudad tiene el poder legal nacional para financiar esta reparación de inmediato bajo la excepción de seguridad pública de MGLC 40 6NC Matrix, ítem D. o mediante fondos de acuerdos intermunicipales bajo C44A o proyectos ambientales, bajo la Orden Ejecutiva 569C, Matrix Item E. Solicitamos a este comité. Que trate esto como una revisión de infraestructura estándar, acepte esta servidumbre firmada y logre la alineación esta noche en estos cuatro puntos descritos. ¿Puedes mencionar los cuatro puntos, Jenny? An immediate plan for structural, temporary leveling and repair of baches in Arudas Lane to restore safe vehicle traffic and access to emergency vehicles. Point number two. Elimination of dangers. The plowing and elimination of dead or committed trees ready to fall on the right of passage along with the cleaning of weeds. Un cronograma claro, un compromiso para completar este camino físico y el trabajo de limpieza más tardar el 1 de noviembre de 2026. Un acuerdo registrado legalmente. A permanent and legally binding maintenance agreement registered in the Register of Writings to consolidate the perpetual responsibility of Paul River to clean and clean the half-mile section of the city in 2007 with a security clause that protects residents if the state of the other half ever changes. Finally, we want to publicly recognize and thank our neighbors on the other side of the road. Han mantenido constantemente su sección y han brindado un apoyo vital y firme siempre que nuestro vez. Descindario los ha necesitado. Gracias.

¿Tiene algo que quiera agregar?

No, que puede ver que hemos dedicado horas de trabajo, horas. Janet es extremadamente analítica y hemos tenido que lidiar con mucha jerga legal. Espero que a estas alturas hayamos satisfecho todas las objeciones que hemos recibido verbalmente de varias personas y las múltiples preguntas con este documento y con la capacidad de Janet para citar y hacer referencia a la legalidad de este asunto. Así que supongo que abro la mesa y nos pondremos en contacto.

Let's start by saying that in 1977 none of us was here. So what they agreed and what they decided to do and why we moved away from that goes beyond what I understand. And that's what I wanted to say.

I will briefly add that I understand that the legal framework is the one that gives us the ability to fix this entry or any part of what you are talking about. Clearly not everything.

Bueno, la propiedad pertenece a la familia.

En algunos de los documentos que presento y anoto incluso esta noche dice que se debe proporcionar acceso.

Por supuesto. Access is simply not maintained.

There is a legal right of passage that takes it home. Therefore, access is provided. The access and the continuous maintenance of that access will surely result in two very different problems. But we will respond to that. Here, allow me to give my little speech and then we will respond to what is written. Well, it is very important to analyze what he is saying that was in the Quasi-General agreement and what it really means to expose it as it applies. So we will review it and expose it. My greatest concern is that the fact that rights have been granted to enter and do it does not mean that the city is obliged to do it or that we can spend municipal funds to do it. That is the legal aspect. The ability to do the work physically is there and the legal entity that allows us to do it is there, but that does not mean that we are forced to do it. Therefore, I think that is what the administration and the legal department will have to resolve to provide an answer.

Can I answer that? Because I think we are going around and around. I would look at each individual here and the councilors and even the mayor who has come and I would ask them, have they formulated their own opinion on this? And they support it because if it is a matter of a no and why, and that is what the city is looking for before for financial reasons, they know that we want to know. I think that from the

We are not going to resolve this now. We are not going to take what it provides us, including the agreement that we just received 10 minutes ago.

What is your opinion on this?

Opinions that we do not have the legal responsibility. We have given that opinion through Christopher Peckham before, through the Peckham Council, let me finish. Alan gave his opinion months ago when we tried this for the first time. For months, Chris continued with this and we exhausted him. The answer was that we don't have the capacity or the legal requirement. The recommendation is to form an association of owners and finance the repairs. Ese fue el final del primer intento. Ahora ha vuelto a través de estos asesores y se ha traído a este comité esta noche. Por lo tanto, si necesitamos volver a analizar toda la situación y emitir una opinión legal adicional, lo haremos. Tenemos que dedicar ese tiempo.

Es lo que sea que legalmente no crea que la ciudad deba hacer para intentar encontrar una solución para apoyar el lo tengo.

Creo, creo, creo que todos en esta mesa están aquí por una razón. Intentar encontrar una solución a este problema. One that makes sense to everyone. Well, that's what I understand what he said.

If you allow me, I think this could provide some clarity, because I know we've heard some of the same arguments before. Well, I think we all sympathize with the situation here. We understand it, we understand it, but I think many of the reasons why we are here is because there have been a series of mistakes with this. In 1977, I can tell you that if that were today in front of the town hall, I would be defending something completely different from what happened. And in 2007, when certain things happened. But the solution that your group is proposing at this moment is just a strip and does not solve the big legal problem. For example, I know this sounds ridiculous, but right now we're just asking for a small part. What happens when the farm is sold and they don't keep the rest of that private property? What happens then? What happens if Stafford Road, which is a September road, is no longer accessible at this time? To what extent does the obligation of Fall River extend when things like this happen? And as a lawyer, you play that role of lawyer, you always have to think about the worst possible scenario. So in this case, what the law requires Fall River to do is to maintain its border. Everything you had in your PowerPoint is that the roads that exist in the state of Massachusetts are fine. I think the trees, I agree with you, the trees are in the state of Massachusetts and we would have the obligation to enter there and cut them. But everything we're saying happens in the state of Rhode Island on a private road. I mean, it's not exactly the same, so don't distort the words. This is something similar to having a very long entrance. If I lived in a one-mile-long entrance and in my fancy big house and didn't keep it, I would still have the same arguments so that the police and the ambulance can't get there. But would it be my financial obligation to keep my entrance for those purposes? Well, now, if they went back in time to 1977, I would have said that either we do not accept these routes as public routes or we have a link from north to south, all in the land of River, closer to the lake or the pond. Of course, I would have said that. But well, that's not what happened. So, you know. I don't think we can keep making bad decisions because they were made in the past. That's it.

Vale, cuando busqué estas normas en regulaciones y leyes, lo único que dicen es que van a mantenerlas, pero no es que estén manteniendo esas calles, sino que son vías públicas. La ciudad de Fall River cerró legalmente nuestras parcelas de tierra en 1977. Tienes que proporcionar una vía pública. No hay salida pública. Esa es la realidad. Así es como se lee.

Un grave error. Por lo tanto estoy de acuerdo en que fue un error cerrar la propiedad de la ciudad en 1977.

Bueno, si somos una propiedad sin salida al mar, tienes que proporcionarnos a eso se reduce. Todo.

Correcto. No entendemos.

Estamos dando vueltas en círculos aquí.

Que no tienes acceso legal de personal.

No, no compramos esa carretera porque literalmente tienes esa carretera está a punto de deteriorarse mucho.

Legal rights to use the root as a carrier. Do you have rights or not? How do you know about that? How do you know that now? Do you have legal rights to do... Again, you're confusing it with...

I'm not confusing anything. I'm not understanding... Engineer, I'm not understanding anything confusing.

I think what it means is that there is a difference between the legal right and the maintenance of the property and the ability to transfer it due to its state. So everyone understands their argument. It's in terrible condition. Nobody is going to discuss it.

No, and it's not that. It's a matter of security.

Correct.

Do you agree?

There are 16 of the 20 families there. 50 of them are over 65 years old, including my house, my husband's and mine. Correct. Y acabamos de tener otro incidente con, ya sabe, un árbol caído en la carretera por el camión de la basura que bajó a recoger nuestra basura. Entonces, esto no es. Esto lleva sucediendo años.

Correcto. Tiene que resolverse. Y no hay una manera fácil de resolverlo. Estamos tratando de llegar a esa conclusión inútil esta noche.

Pero no quiero abordarlo antes del invierno y tener que seguir con esto. Bueno, voy a plantear esto. Si algo me pasa a mí, o a cualquiera de mis vecinos, ¿quién? ¿Será responsable?

No sé, no tengo una respuesta para eso.

Bueno, quizá el consejo la tenga.

Vale.

Vale, ¿cómo podemos tener una reunión productiva? ¿Qué podemos hacer aquí en este momento en el que veo que todavía hay algo más que que que? ¿Desde una perspectiva legal? ¿Es usted bastante sólido en esto? ¿O alguna de esta información le ha hecho querer volver a analizarlo?

No, I mean no. I'm quite single in law. I mean, understand that my role here is simply to say whether or not there is a legal obligation. But, you know, there are other options. Well, I've thought of some. I'm not saying that I've thought of them 100%, but the options that I see that would be available are, the first option would be what I've talked about, if the group of owners met and had a kind of association of owners in which they made a taxation. The second option would be if the city did that, and there would be something in the law that allows a special tax, so it would be the same result. All owners would pay their taxation. Not all fall work would be taxed because it would be specifically only for access to, let's say, 20 houses. I don't know exactly, but for greater comfort, for those 20 houses. Now, that problem requires many more legal disputes because the approval of the state is probably needed, an approval is probably needed. It seems that we have the approval of agriculture, that's true. And the truth is that Dan knows the city better than me, but I would say that if the city did it that way, the cost for the owners of the land would probably be doubled, at least due to the current salaries and things like that.

The option of the owners would be cheaper than the special option.

The third thing is that the city could not accept the roads. Y esa es una opción que está sobre la mesa porque es algo que pueden simplemente no aceptar y entonces no traemos basura, no traemos esas cosas a esa zona. No lo digo, solo les digo opciones. Y la cuarta, la opción que existía en el 77, y no digo que ninguno de ustedes fuera parte de esto, pero recuerdo haber leído algo donde se hablaba de crear una vía pública a lo largo, como dije, a lo largo del borde del estanque, ¿cierto?

Totalmente en contra.

Correct. Correct. According to what I understood, the people who lived there at that time were opposed because they liked the quiet area and they didn't want a public road that would go down to access because they liked peace and tranquility. Well, in my opinion, a series of mistakes have been made for, you know, 50 years. Approximately. Personally, I'm not in favor of a small strip that will only make us have the same problem in another 10 years. And what do you know about a good solution? Because how do you want to say something?

Some things, but I was there the other day for about two or two and a half hours. The part of the road that you have to fix, Dan, is less than half a mile. Not less than that. Well, there are about 40 baches there. So my concern is... I support the neighbors. Mi preocupación son los vehículos de seguridad pública que circulan por allí. La policía. Sí, hay una llamada de una de estas personas que viven en Johnson Greenleaf. Que disparen los camiones de bomberos. Mi camión tuvo problemas para pasar por allí en ciertos tramos de esa carretera. Y gran parte está bien porque el ex señora Bruda, esa Bruda, esa Bruda.

No, ese señor Moniz.

Haciendo armonía social. Ya sabes, se encargó de ello. Excepto, cuando creo que fue en 2007, creo que lo hicimos fue asfaltar ese tramo de la carretera. Y también, la última vez que estuvimos allí fue este año, arreglando los baches, creo. Sí, claro.

En el carril.

Ya.

Eso sí que estaba. No, fue antes que ustedes.

But my point is that we have been doing the repairs at any time that have been necessary. I think there is some way for Alan to solve it and for us to come back and maybe talk to the city of Rhode Island or do something like that. Simplemente creo que no hay manera de hacerlo. Tiene que haber una manera.

No me decís, no soy para que lo sepas. Puedo decirte que hablé con él, creo que es el consejo municipal y el administrador de la ciudad. Cuando escuché por primera vez sobre este problema, fue honesto. Una semana tuvimos una reunión, tú y yo, creo que el administrador municipal, en función. Sé que fueron el abogado de la ciudad y el administrador de la ciudad. Y puedo decirte que no estoy sugiriendo. that they have no legal obligation at all, but their position has been quite consistent, so I can say that it is because we would pave the entrance of a private farm, essentially with the sole purpose that the residents of Fall River can access. I don't see any legal obligation for them to do something and I don't think there is any will to do anything.

I mean, because there really isn't much to do on that part of the road. I mean, I think it's a double-edged weapon. I mean, I understand, but maybe... Doing something before winter arrives would be something smart for their safety and ours, that of the firefighters, the emergency medical services, or the police that have to go there. Right, they're not going to go. They're not going to have problems to get there.

I'm just saying that if they have to do it or not, that's not my decision, but at least I would like to think in different scenarios. There are many unaccepted roads in Fall River. In fact, I live very close to one. They have been begging the city to do repair work and the answer is that it is not a public road.

It is not a public road in Fall River. It is not an accepted road.

Therefore, I think this could open some doors because we are talking about spending city dollars on an unaccepted road that is not even in the state of Massachusetts when other people They claim for the same help in their unaccepted road. I mean, many times promoters come and build houses. The road looks beautiful 20, 30 years later, and those owners have not been paying a sum of money to be able to maintain the road. No es la única vez que ocurre. Lo he visto ocurrir.

Lo único con lo que no estoy de acuerdo es que se trata de residentes de la ciudad que pagan por una propiedad de la ciudad y se benefician del mantenimiento de esa calle por parte de la ciudad de Fall River. Aunque no sea, es una situación extremadamente única, obviamente, pero entendemos que no es una calle de la ciudad, es del pueblo de River Island, pero está ahí estrictamente para ayudar a los residentes de Fall River. No entiendo. The municipal council has made it perfectly clear, and in a message that they left me in the automatic answer box, that this is a Fall River problem, not a Tiberton problem. So, to answer your question, they have no desire to do anything, because according to them, it is not a Tiberton problem. Although it is a property in Tiberton and it is a private property, this is a Fall River problem that affects Fall River residents, and the responsibility of responsibility falls strictly on the city of Fall River. What do you think?

Again, two different problems. One, until now we have the legal obligation to fix that street. Another problem. Is there a path to follow to fix that problem? A completely different problem. No. They have told us repeatedly. For six months they don't have a legal obligation. I don't agree with that. I don't disagree with finding a path to follow. They are two different things. I will talk to the mayor and we will address both situations. Because I think they would agree that point 4 of his request for Fort River is a new agreement, registered legally binding.

Well, we don't want to see.

That basically recognizes that what is, no, no, but recognizes that there is a gray area in what is required legally and is registered today. Do you want to clarify that?

I would like something, yes, something that we both, well, no.

Let's say that we are going to establish what is our obligation now. The deadline of November 1 is going to be very difficult. And then we can say, in the face of the future, how we can address it.

And I'm going to say that this is not, this is the only anomaly in the city of Fall River. There are no other services that do not have access to the sea.

No tendríamos esta conversación hoy, en 1977, si la ciudad de Fall River no aceptara esas calles. Son vías públicas. Y hablar de ilegal, eso era ilegal.

Muy bien. Vamos a intentar resolverlo. Consejal, ¿quiere añadir algo?

Sí, no, solo quiero terminar con esto. Quiero decir, lo he dicho antes, pero lo diré de nuevo. My main concern, and the main concern of all, should be the safety of the public and the vehicles that arrive there to be able to do it. That's my concern.

We all agree.

No, I know. And I think that, according to that standard, we should probably do everything possible to solve it. And I know that you're going to come back, Alan, you're going to come back, and I have full faith that you will, but I honestly think that it's something that has to be done.

I just wanted to add that I know that Jen and I have professional experience. I've been in the business for 32 years and sometimes when you see yourself involved in the axis of these legal nuances that are simply what follows and follows, we have to make a decision about what is correct. y en mi mente y realmente tengo la capacidad de ver grises. No soy blanco o negro porque vivo allí. Estoy a favor de un barrio que ha recibido el apoyo de la ciudad durante literalmente más de 40 años para que se cambie el juego así. Sin previo aviso, sin nada. Y luego nos digan que esto es ilegal, que no deberíamos haberlo estado haciendo durante más de 40 años. Si pudieran ponerse por favor en el lugar de estos residentes, verían que esta situación es algo sumamente estresante para todos nosotros en nuestro vecindario. No sé si podrían recurrir a esa parte de su corazón que dice qué es lo correcto y cómo podemos encontrar el camino. A eso es a lo que quiero llegar.

Insisto, vamos a intentar ver cómo podemos hacerlo. No lo sé. If we send a DCM worker to fill a bucket and he falls, he breaks his neck and dies, I don't know if it's safe. I would cover him because he's not in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. These are the things we have to think about. Responsibility and exposure are not a matter of laughter either on our part. These are all the things that must be overcome when we assume responsibility. Once you accept that responsibility, your appearance is not a joke. Therefore, we have to make sure that when we play the game and expand it, it is done legally and protects the city. Yes, I understand. That's what we have to do. I understand.

And vice versa. Correct. For the residents.

We are 100% in agreement. We agreed before, right? We are going to try to do everything we can to try to fix this and correct it, because in reality it was wrong in 1977. And we will do everything we can as members of the committee, as city engineers, legal advisors and directors of public works. We are all going to try to work together so that we can solve this for the residents of Four Rivers, who are you who live there. No sé cuál es la solución ahora mismo. Quiero decir, yo mismo he estado en esa carretera muchas veces y conozco las condiciones. Es una situación muy particular e intentaremos ver qué podemos hacer.

Una anomalía.

Una anomalía.

Joe, ¿cuál es nuestro siguiente paso?

Bueno, vamos a tener, vamos a posponer esta reunión esta noche.

Vamos a pedir a todos que hagan su video de diligencia. Vamos a investigar y ver qué podemos hacer. Y luego encontraremos algún tipo de solución o veremos qué podemos hacer. Y tendremos otra reunión como esta en el comité, supongo, para que finalmente podamos finalizar cuál es la intención de la ciudad y cuáles son las intenciones de lo que podemos ofrecerles y qué podemos hacer y cómo podemos solucionarlo. Entonces, tendremos otra reunión.

Cronograma para el seguimiento sería el próximo comité de obras públicas.

Programaremos una reunión una vez que hayan terminado de hacer la investigación que necesitan para averiguar con el...

Era una reunión fuera de esta reunión para revisar eso o...

No volveremos a esta reunión. Si van a trabajar en el proyecto ellos mismos.

Y podemos poner una fecha, ya sabes, una fecha definida. Por ejemplo, puede ser antes de nuestra próxima reunión.

¿Sobre cuánto tiempo creen que necesitará? Bueno, no creo que vayamos a hacer esto dentro de un año. Entendemos que quieren que esté listo para el invierno. Obviamente también queremos que esté listo para el año.

Winter is coming.

Yes, exactly. We don't want to make anyone wait for no reason. But well, we have those gentlemen there. The agenda is very broad and has many projects underway. They are going to try to work very hard to do it as quickly as possible, but I can't set a deadline. But in a week, two weeks, three weeks. I promise you they won't be given four or five months. It will be before. How long do you think they will need to get it?

30 days to give a response or a plan. Not a resolution, but at least a plan.

So between 30 and 45 days.

Fix it from my own pocket before spending the money of this municipality in an indebted way.

That's a solution.

There you have it.

Guys, you can go and fill up those buckets and you'll spend the winter.

I live at the end of a road that degrades at a thousand feet long. I have to fix the... What's there? I bought the house.

It's at the end of a private road.

I'll cover that cost. So we'll work here. It's possible, but I can't. Even if it costs a penny, I can't authorize the city to do it.

I understand perfectly. That doesn't calm me down so much, but I understand. No, so we'll work on it. I only have one question for you.

Listen, you have 37 hours, so take your time.

Or is that all? Actually, it's for Mr. Aguirre. ¿Te preocupa que los trabajadores bajen y resulten heridos y la responsabilidad, pero tenemos inspectores que bajan? ¿Tenemos vehículos de basura que bajan? ¿Tenemos transporte escolar? ¿Si se lesionan en el carril, de quién es la responsabilidad?

No, me refiero a si el inspector podría decirse que de...

the owners, and I haven't investigated that, but that's one of my concerns. The general law of Massachusetts has a damage limit that, for example, in Fall River there is a maximum limit. Protect the city of Fall River in case something happens on a public road. That's not a public road. That's not a public road in Fall River. Therefore, I am very reluctant to spend money where suddenly we could be potentially incurring a limitless responsibility when only the owners can do it, and that is not the problem.

That's double imposition, but we're not going to get into that.

Well, that's what we're going to try to solve. But you already know. We're going to get into it. There are many legal problems that are not even being discussed. It's not as simple as you think, even if we're very understanding.

So, any other questions from the councilors? No, sir. No, sir. No, sir. No, sir. No, sir. No, sir.

No, sir. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

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