Tree Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

This is a regular monthly meeting of the town's open space and trails advisory board. First item business is roll call and verification of quorum. So just go around the room. Left, right. Tim? Tim Payne member.

Liv Taszak member. Bill Brink member. Bill Brink member. Joe Swanson member.

Christine Fowles member.

Ken Martin member. And our town liaison with the town council.

John Morlero council liaison.

And Brooke. With Bolinger town staff.

Alright. I have no plans to modify the agenda. Anyone Gerard,

if I may, can I add one agenda item on here, and that is the council liaison report? Okay.

So you're right. Yes. That's been missing for us

several times. I will hope to get that corrected in future agendas, but we're gonna make sure that we were giving council Mortalero his his due time. The first item on

the general visits, I believe.

Oh, even before approval agenda?

We can just add it right after public comment before we get into the general business.

Yeah. Yeah. I would say first sight. I'm sorry. It's usually first sight is general business.

Yeah. So right after public comment, right before general business?

Okay. Council liaison, right now? We have the minutes from the meeting last month. Does anyone want them brought up or have any

changes? Have a printed copy in front of you. I just have a couple of minor changes k. Under six a, just correcting Meredith's names to proper spelling. It's Meredith Muth. Right. And then and I will send these to the clerk's office Okay. For correction. And then just correcting seven

Wait. Wait. You're correcting something. Do we call In the minutes? Yes? Yes. Right. Oh, so I'm not to do this, the secretary?

Well, I can. I can just correct the copy. Or if if you want to, I'd be delighted if you would.

Well, that'd be nice.

Yeah. Absolutely.

If you

if you still have the access to the word copy

I'm sorry?

If you still have access to I wrote it. Yeah. If you still have access to it. Okay.

So what do you what do

you So six a. Six a. Okay. Meredith is m e r e d y t h, and it's Muth, m u t h. So Malcolm Fleming, time manager tenure entered seventeen February twenty twenty six. Meredith Muth. The point is not Muth.

M e r e d

e r e d y t t h. H. Okay. And then Muth, m u t h.

So this is not as Phil pointed out, this is not a moot point. I enjoyed that. You heard that? I'm saying I would see my arm. I would stand up. Oh, I need to

do it. Yeah. And then just for clarification purposes as well. So seven a, item number four Uh-huh. Page is p a g e. Oh, it is. Okay. Yep. Very good deal. So Okay. And we'll we'll continue.

So And then should I just send that to you? And Yes.

That'd be great because that's exactly what I was gonna do. Michelle.

Michelle.

Yep. I'll let her know it's coming so that we can just Oh,

I should still put it on the the SharePoint site too. Right?

I would say so. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. You can just And then you guys store it somewhere too. I mean, that is all.

Yeah. That goes that goes in the laser. Okay. That's all that I have. So you'll just need a motion to approve as amended.

Motion to approve as as modified. So moved. Second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? None. Alright. Public comment. Do we see anybody?

We have no members of the No. I'm in honor.

No. I think people are committed to look at it remotely and comment. Are they or are they not? I know you can look at it, but I don't know if they're permitted to

Nobody

comment. There's nobody. Doesn't matter. Okay. No one public comment. Onto general business. First item on the amended agenda as our trustee lays excuse me. Town town council is on. Hey, John.

Got a couple topics. One, makerspace at Co Create at Schofield Farms is, construction is nearing completion, and sponsorship and lease agreements are on council agenda for April 28 and plan to open this summer. Page property. It's been over a year since we since we toured the Page property, which I was able to attend. I think I've been clear that, yeah, I I certainly support open space for that property.

We there were two proposals so far for that property. DIG Studio Design did a proposal, and Saint Scholastica did a pre application for that property. The you know, my my concerns were, you know, that you significantly affect the, the open space value, by either either design. And so how that would you know, how, OTNAF should be compensated or not, because it's taxpayer money. Just to note, Saint Scholastica did pull back its its pre application or withdrew its pre application.

They are going to, they're going to focus on the property that they have on Highway 52. One of the things that, you know, was a that they were hoping with a win win situation was they were offering, you know, 80 to a 120, affordable housing units, on the property. But, again, I think we all saw the concerns from a open space value. So page property is back on the council agenda on May 12.

Okay. So at one point, it was the April. Now it's no. Excuse me. It's always been May 12. Yes. Yeah. I think the the wording was to decide on a direction forward. So it's like they're gonna say, this is it. No discussions onward. So it's but it is to set the direction of of where things will be going. Any is that it, John? That's it. Any questions? Okay. On to the numbers. Alright.

So every year, staff puts together a supplemental request for council consideration, and it's just to capture maybe some changes, some updates for ongoing projects, maybe new projects that were brought forth in that first quarter, of the year by either council or staff. This year in the Trails Natural Areas Fund, we do have a few changes that I wanna bring up that will be taken to council for consideration. First is reallocating 1,700,000.0 from the Coal Creek Reach 2 project to Schofield. So the Coal Creek Reach 2 project is in a limbo state right now due to FEMA funding and ongoing discussions with adjacent landowners. So we're not sure when that project is is gonna happen, and that's really to the flood restoration or flood mitigation project.

I have spoken with, public work staff, and even if that project got approval tomorrow, it would still be $20.27 before we could even bid out our portion, which is the trail portion. So we feel pretty confident reallocating that money, to the Schofield project is, good for this year. The Schofield project has always been funded out of Charles National Area Fund and the Parks Improvement Impact Fund, and, reallocating some dollars ensures that we have, enough money to complete the barn rehabilitation and the rest of the site improvements. There's an additional $110,000, from last year that we're gonna be rolling over as a new request. It's kind of complicated, but for the Compass to Coal Creek Trail Connector.

So now that project is funded at approximately $220,000. Not approximately, that is the number. That project is the trail connection from the Compass neighborhood from County Line Road to Coal Creek Trail. So we're working with a consultant on that. We have a I have a scope of work in my inbox right now, so hopefully we can get that kicked off. I know that's something that had come up that has come up many, many times over the past year or so, and we can certainly certainly start working with our transportation folks and getting a trail connection for the Compass folks at least east towards Coal Creek Trail.

Is that so good?

Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. No. Keep going. Ask questions away. Yes, please.

For the design of the trail, or is that for the

It's for initially, it's for the design, and then we don't know exactly what it's gonna look like. And we'll the the part of the scope is to give us a a ROM, which is a rough order of magnitude for construction costs.

K.

So, hopefully, we'll be able to fix some construction in there, but we don't know yet until because we have to deal with some right away, which means dealing with right away, which is drainage and all the other things. So good question. $423,000 fund construction on the Allen Farm Trail to Prairie Run Open Space Trail system. So we've been working with a consultant over the past year to design, basically, a trail connection east going through Kenosha Farm Open space to Lombardi Street and making that trail connection. We finally got some cost from the consultant on that, so we need another 423,000 to fund construction of that trail.

So that does fund construction. We're done with design. And if you've been out there lately, Boulder County is they're going like crazy out there, and their project's gonna be wrapped up probably this fall. So we wanna make sure we'll be able to make those that connection.

So that pays for the actual construction? Correct.

$20,000 for consulting services. We mean to budget this budget this every year. What could what these funds do is enable us to do appraisals, to do surveys on properties, that kind of behind the scenes work, especially when we look at open space acquisitions. So we didn't this year, but, given that we already have some properties that are property up, maybe on our radar, we thought it'd be prudent to budget money so we can hire folks for appraisals if we if we need to move on that pretty quickly. And then finally, $473,500 to acquire Coal Miner Park.

This is something that we discussed a while ago. This is going to counsel on the 20, the purchase and sale agreement. That includes the purchase price and $6,000 for, helping with the subdivision process. So, supplemental request at as as Mel says, it kinda keeps these ongoing projects going. Schofield, Coke, Compass to Coal Creek, Coal Miner Park, Consulting Services, and the Trail Project.

And if we so just as a snapshot, if we spend every dollar that we have budgeted this year, including what I've what we're gonna be asking for on the twenty eighth, our ending 2026 balance would be 3,200,000.0. That's if the revenues stay pretty flat, which we've seen only an increase over the past few years. So

Is that is that the budgeting done assuming more or less flat revenue?

I I think so just because of what we're seeing in in how many building permits are being pulled now versus how where they've been historically. Okay. So

You said that would be the projected ending balance at the end of fiscal year twenty six?

Correct. If we spend every single dollar that we budgeted for this year. Everything you do. Correct. Usually, you know, maybe we'll get lucky, one of these projects will be a little bit under budget, not likely. But, and then, of course, the revenue the new revenue comes in higher than projected.

Sorry. Where is the, trail connection between the work that's being finished by Boulder County?

So if you start at Allen's Farms Open Space Allen Farm. Yes. If you start on the east end of Allen Farms Open Space and go straight west across a hundred nineteenth, they've already installed a crossing. Yeah. And then that gets on to Boulder County Open Space and then kinda goes through what they predicted, you know, the the Prairie Room open space trails plan. Joe, did I hit that?

You did. Yeah. It's what we call the Alexander Dawson Open Space, and it follows the canal that runs down along through there.

Right.

It pops you out over by the bridge on 109th Street.

Okay. Okay. Great.

And then you cross that and you go north to or south to the parking lot there on the

west side of the road. Yeah.

Which is finished now. Right?

Yeah. I don't think the parking lot's finished yet.

Last time last last update I got is they they haven't started that one yet. Yeah. But or or that's not complete yet.

Okay. I drove the entire length the trail a few weeks ago, so it's yeah.

Our staff went out and walked it, they were like, oh, this is way longer than we anticipated. You got it too, then I'm not like and they sent me some pictures. It's a pretty awesome I

mean, my understanding is this o and g existing operation relatively close to the trail, and that they're gonna wait to open it until obviously, they have to have a parking lot fit.

Yep. That's what we're working on with the design

And I based on my eyes, the the portion through Allen Farm is is done. Right? Plarges are complete. Okay. Now if all that opens up is ready to open, would would the Erie portion be open even though a beautiful connection with the Kenosha Farm Trails didn't exist? We're hoping. Okay.

We're hoping we can make it work as Okay. As best we can timing wise. But So with Allen Farms being over there,

we already got the connector trail across the road. Is there parking over at Allen's Farm that you

can use to get onto that then and go?

No. No. We didn't they did not include

plans for that.

There's no plan for any trailhead parking at the property coming north from there if we Correct. Yeah. For that future for that future

Was that a missed opportunity?

No. Because we were talking to Boulder County about a trailhead parking at the Wise Homestead.

I mean, I just was wondering if just in general, if that's a missed opportunity, maybe add some parking over there on that end of it if we're gonna be crossing over right there. Because it seems like there's a lot of space at Wise right at the Island Farms that we could Yeah.

Well, we did that's really good ag land. So that was one thing we didn't wanna give up is sacrifice more of that good ag land for parking around that side. Yeah.

I'm just curious. I hadn't really

heard that talked about much.

So

But we will have some trailer parking at Wise Homestead, which will tie into that overall system.

K. I have a somewhat related question on reach through of Colbury. Sure. Where it the creek currently goes over underneath County Line Road. Mhmm. I know Boulder County's got a study that'd probably take another ten years to widen the road. And my understanding of that would move north where the trail was under. We proceed with everything else is in my Which road? County County Line.

That's part of our Coal Creek region. That that's not a county project. That's a town of Erie project.

Okay. So we'll Erie would widen Okay.

Widen County Line Road and then put the trail Okay.

I know

in the creek.

County's point of looking at widening County Line all the way up to Longmont. But

Yeah. That's all area jurisdiction in that area. Okay. Okay. I got widen County Line Road, improve the bridge, and then take the trail underneath County Line Road Okay.

Got it.

And connect it to the King Open Space Right. Trail that's existing. Okay. Good question. Okay.

Okay.

Look. I've noticed that right there just north of that where Kenner Road 10 comes down and meets with Kenner Line, just just north of where you're just driving Mhmm. It was with the completion of all the King Open Space work, people are cutting down just just right up that hill to connect to that that trail. Is there any way we can make that a little more accessible without, you know, passing things up, or is it easier just to leave it as a social trail?

We can we can look at it and formalizing it. The problem is there's no formal sidewalk coming down. You're talking about coming down from Morgan Hill?

Yeah. Yeah. Steep. Yeah. Coming off that, I know it's a problem, but people are really certain.

That's in our that's in our future trails plan, and I know it's on transportation's radar as well as how do we there's connectivity overall from Morgan Hill is something that we're constantly looking at, and there's opportunity to see if there's some some trail connectivity or even, sidewalk opportunities with, transportation folks. So but something that we're we can definitely look into.

So just out of curiosity, in light of all of these ebikes, feels like there's a whole lot of social trails going in on these ebikes, cutting corners and doing has have you guys been talking about

Yes. Android?

I had

a meeting today about it.

Good. Nice.

So we passed the ebike ordinance. We put out a whole bunch signs. We've been doing a lot of education with our SROs in the schools. We've been doing a lot of social media pushes. We've been trying to get our Erie Youth for Change group involved. I think they're gonna be at the Erie PD bike rodeo doing some bike ebike education. But, yeah, it's a problem, and it's just not it's not isolated to Erie, obviously. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. I think with just yeah. It's how do we get users to stay on trails and not cut across open spaces and cut across fields, and how do we get them to not build ramps in open spaces. So it's a lot of signage. Ultimately, it's it's enforcement. Right?

You can only put so many signs up before you need bodies out on the trail system and in the open spaces. So we've been talking what does that look like, and does that does it involve park rangers? Does it involve full time park rangers, part time park rangers, giving our staff more abilities? So, you know, it's it's it's a people problem, honestly, and we're trying to do our best to educate everybody on we we certainly want kids out on our trails and using the trails, but use the trails, not build ramps and open spaces. So, yeah, it's a it's a big issue, and we're we're we're tackling it.

We're putting up fencing and t posts, and we're putting Russian olive, you know, branches and social insurance. It's it's yeah. It's lot to make. So if you have any other suggestions, we're we're wide open. But Okay. I had a meeting with PD today.

I I just hear mean, right there, not open space around my house. You know, I'm like, you know, you see them already starting to spring up here to in back corners and missing sidewalks. Yeah. Yep. Thrusting into traffic. Yeah. Boulder,

on their mountain bike trails, they have ambassadors. They don't do any enforcing, but they, you know, communicate and educate. And so

Our staff has been ambassadoring now for a year.

Yeah. I'm saying getting yeah.

A lot of middle fingers flying around. Yeah.

Yeah. I I bet. But, other volunteers, you know, residents or whatnot that that are willing to to volunteer

and and and get the

Yeah. No. That's a good that's a good idea. I'll I'll bring maybe that up too.

Maybe we Yeah. Because my guess is staff isn't wouldn't be overjoyed of going out there and sending something. They would not. They would not.

Like I said, they get a lot of negative feedback.

Yeah. In instant, though. Yeah.

It is. Yeah. It is. It's very honest feedback. So They're number one.

Yeah. A friend of mine.

Along the sorry. Along those lines, I noticed that the signs were pretty temporary signs. Yes. Are we planning on doing more permanent?

That was part of the meeting today. We're gonna work on what did we learn from the temp signs and how can we how can we learn from other communities? How can we learn from our own experiences to start installing some permanent signs out on the trails. And, really, the goal is to help PD with that education piece and then ultimately enforcement. So, you know, the speed limit signs and then ultimately, you know, common courtesy type signage, but not oversign the trail system so much that every, you know, 60 feet, you're you've gotta stop and read another sign. So that's something that we're working on. Hopefully, we can get that implemented this year. I think we we we have the budget for it that we can work it in. Good question.

Any further questions on this item? Okay. On to the next item, which is the, exactly page property recommendation letter to counsel. So just Why don't I just want which obvious, but why this meeting? And John has already told us why. It's it's on the town council agenda for the day after our May meeting. And think about waiting a month and doing it. No way. So go ahead, Luke.

Yeah. So, you know, as as our as our memo stated, we submitted a letter to town council on in March. And then, you know, obviously, things things happen with the pre application. And I think the last meeting that we had, there there might have been some concern about, you know, kind of maybe some lack of clarity on true position on the property. So I offered up with no objection to draft a letter for for y'all's review for this meeting, which I provided as a hard copy in front of you to discuss.

And then once we discuss the the letter here, then we can submit that to counsel in for their consideration when we go talk to counsel on May 12 regarding the future direction of the page property. So, I will let you all kinda discuss the letter, ask some questions, and I'll pull it up here, and, we can, make some edits to it. So next question. Has everyone read it carefully? And if the answer is

not really, let let's take a few minutes so that everyone can can read it. Not skim it. Read it.

Yeah. I'd appreciate it if you did.

Okay. Okay.

Thank you.

No no reduction of brownie points. Well,

good. Because now I have to find where I I have to remember where I put it. Still my we're still doing Okay.

Need the Yeah.

See how long it takes me to get this going here.

And those are agenda copies of the agenda?

Are those copies of the agenda?

Yeah. Christine, there's something down there. Okay. I'll just Great. Yeah. No. This is

happens there. Okay. Gotcha.

I'm so moved by this letter that I drafted that. Speechless.

Everyone ready or you need a little bit more time? So we had written a letter,

you know, resolution. Where is it'd be interesting to compare that to this. Did

It was in your packet.

Yeah. I mean, I I guess I'll start. One thing I'd like to see added, Luke, in a couple places is agricultural. In the second sentence, it says believes that page property will significant space ecological scenic and community value. I'd like to see agricultural added in that mix.

And in addition to that, on the third paragraph, it says, those steps suggest the staff pursue opportunity to enhance the progress ecological value for exploration of trails connections. Reclamation activities. And, again, I would like to see agricultural use Okay. Use, my my recommendation. And I guess I would I I'm a bit torn on the 50% here of the property's acreage should remain as open space.

I get where that's going. And I I mean, that's in in concert with what we've discussed if the development should occur. I think it

I I wanna make sure

that we make the point to the council that that even if a part even if a an area could meet the the criteria as identified in the for open space, it doesn't necessarily mean it is valuable to us as in our view as op as the kind of based on the price that was paid as open space.

Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. I I have I have some similar thoughts, but I'll let everyone else go. Plus I've gotten something else unwilling to talk about. But, normally, the chair goes last Well, not final. I wait for everyone. I say, blah blah blah, and then we go around the room again. Anything else you wanna Well, I

agree with Phil. I also just this is very nitpicky, but I would prefer to use the term restoration rather than reclamation. That, to me, that means two different things. And then in the last paragraph, we refer to preservation focused planning. I don't know if we're doing preservation so much as conservation when there's kind of. I mean, it's again, it's a nitpicky thing, but, I mean, are we preserving it in a in some because we're using it, so conservation is what it's used. Right? So that's just a minor.

What was that, dude?

A little last paragraph. Second second second set was the last paragraph. Says supported preservation focus plan. Those staff continues to support preservation focus plan. I just suggest using the word conservation. Because I'm I don't know. Yeah. There you go.

Conservation. Is that what you wanna change to? Well, that's better.

Yeah. I mean, we're just at meetings. Right? And I and

I know. Right? Yeah. Like I said, snippety thing.

Well, mean, you know, we're we're going through college. That was one of the big paradoxical questions we always talked about. I I was Conservation versus freshman. What are we really doing? You know? Well, that's

Well, I have to concur with conservation. It seems like the conservation has taken out a whole Yeah. A few decades. Yeah.

Anyone else before I espouse? Okay.

I'm sorry. We we had spoken at one point about if the land doesn't end up being used for any other purpose than open space, then we thought a reimbursement would be appropriate. I don't know if you wanna use this letter to memorialize that principle or if that's something that's not necessary.

That was gonna be the last item that I want to discuss. Okay.

I guess my comment would be so we're we're stating that our position is that the entirety of the property be open space. So before we say that, do we need to have a conversation about are we willing to purchase the property with TNAT funds?

My thought is to do both sequences. Mhmm. I'll suggest. Okay.

Okay.

Well, why don't I concern is, yeah, as Christine pointed out, in the first paragraph, we say, you know, our preference is that the entire partial be preserved as open space. And then in the second paragraph, we talk about, as we should, evaluating the the structures that are on the b to the f for any potential use, and some of that potential use could involve providing parking for the public. So to me, I don't I don't think it's necessary to preserve the whole thing. And I can't tell you what percent now, but I I don't think it's all. But on the other hand, if we say, you know, if development occurs, and let's face it, it could, it it's mandatory that half the property's acreage be open space, and we've we've purchased half of it.

So that's completely off the table. The problem is that we've seen in two applications that the if if the buildable area has buildings on it, then the leftovers become open space, and those leftovers don't meet the UDC, don't even come close. So I would say that you know, point that out and then say, you know, if residential development occurs, that within that development, they have to meet the UDC requirements for their own open space. So if if they have let let's assume the development needs 10 acres of open space. Well, that that's that's not any of our open space.

The half year is is not doesn't meet that requirement. So they would be required, at least in my mind, to provide their own resolution to all the UDC requirements. So I think we should tighten that up. And as far as what percent, I I would say, I'd rather say something about subs or substantially more than the 50% that's we've currently paid for. And the amount amount would be determined after this evaluation occurred is to know what might or might not happen to the area where the the house and the storage facility is at.

And then Bill brought up, this is this is a what if. And and that is and this is a question, do we even need to put it in this lead artery weight? But, you know, in my realistic mind, there's certainly the possibility that the town council would say, yes, we agree that more should be open space, but we also think that the UDC excuse me, the TNAAC should pay for part of it. So Russia's I don't see any risk if we don't say that. Now I don't think anything drastic is gonna happen.

What this might do is if we'd say something like that, maybe it might produce more cohesion in the town council, and they'd be more likely to study our letter word for word and proceed with it. So that's but that's a what if. So I guess two things. Anyone have another comment related to the open space and percentages and so on and so forth? And if not, then get your opinion.

Should we, I would say, crack the door in this letter on potentially using without any percentages, no money, no nothing, just say the possibility. Or we can just wait and see where the counsel goes. Possibility of? Pardon me? Possibility of what?

Of using some PNAAC money to purchase additional open space. Okay. Well, without giving any percentages or any of this that say subject to discussion or something. That effect basically, do we crack the door now, or do we just wait and react to see what the town council does in May? Any preference? I suggest we crack the door down. Pardon me? Crack the door now. Okay. You're gonna crack the door open?

Crack the door open. Why why not mention a percentage? Well,

that's risky for well, I don't wanna be on that because as I said, one thing, this second paragraph about assessing the value of the existing structures. Well, if, you know, if if the ultimate conclusion come that there's you know, that the house is gonna be used for educational purposes or and who knows what? And, oh, by the way, there's gonna be 30 parking spaces needed to do that, then that area just is not open space. And I I wouldn't wanna us buying a 100% of it and say, oh, well, we're gonna put parking here and and do this and that and the other thing. Who knows what's gonna happen?

Don't think there's any but I think we should say substantially more than 50%, because I I see no possibility of preserving sufficient open space values if the open space portion, say, at 50% and structures of some kind go and, quote, essentially the only places where they can go.

So if I may, I think we heard it loud and clear from council that additional parking, additional usage of those structures is not something that they want to see or the community wants to see. So I think when we have to be careful about talking about educational spaces, anything like that, it's nothing that we're contemplating. Yeah. That's something that we're we're not we're not bringing up. It's something that we're not even seeing in our overall strategic plan.

So I think anything that happens with the buildings is gonna be basically restricted within that footprint and really just seasonal storage. I don't think we're looking at anything beyond some improvements to the buildings. So now that could change with future direction, but that's something that Wheeler that staff heard loud and clear that no additional traffic up there than really what's out there now. So I just wanna pipe this.

Let me just follow-up on that. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. Interrupted.

But since you were there

So if if that's the case, which I believe that's my perception too, Luke, it seems like we should cross off operational support space then because we're just talking about storage. An operational support space suggests additional activity, doesn't it? I mean, what does that include?

Who knows? But I think I I agree that that paragraph, more or less, I mean, you can get rid of the whatever it says, you know, potentially for having personnel there. But the point I'm making is I think paragraph number two should proceed. I mean, there needs to be a study say, what can be done with this? And the town council would make the decision, do we or do we not wanna do it?

But until we know the answer to that, I don't wanna have us have already, for all purposes, you know, paid for a 100% open space and then have it taken away. So I'm I just wanna leave it open at this point. I mean, I don't wanna suggest it might be used for this, that, or the other thing. I'd simply say subject to the results of the evaluation.

Well, I think anything that we would do on the property, we'd obviously come back to this board Yeah. And say, hey. We had this Yeah. We had this idea of putting a solar panel on the warehouse or on the shop building and having a solar garden out there. I don't know. I'm just throwing out a thing. Like, we would obviously come back to this board Yeah. And get that and get that favorable recommendation

if we were to do anything to to those buildings.

To Well I'd like to hear from others. I mean, it

says I'm about the UDC code. Go ahead. You know, that they have to provide a certain amount of open space within the development itself. And this comes back from when we lived down in Thornton. When they put in the Thornton Creek Golf Course, they waived the the developer, they waived any means to providing the open space that was within their UDC code and said, well, you can use these your golf course as your you know, the areas for your open space. Do you foresee anything like that potentially happening that well, you can go ahead and build the other 50% as however you want. You can just claim Yeah. The fifth percent that is being left as you're open.

And I think that's where this paragraph says that OSAP further maintains any areas identified as open space through the development process that do not meet current u UDC Yeah. Requirements, which I think would be the majority of those open spaces that you saw on the plans, should not count toward overall open space dedication requirements and that any deficiency should be addressed through a fee in lieu, which is what we would normally do with a development that said, oh, we got this really cool open space, but based on your density, you're still short 10 acres. Well, you still owe us fee in lieu for that.

Yeah.

Right. So, again, that would come through this board's recommendation of, okay. Yep. We like the layout here, but, a, you're not getting credit for tracks a, b, c, and d. You owe us an acre of fee

and lieu.

Right. Okay.

So that that adds that layer of protection should Yeah. The property ever ever go through that development route.

Yeah. The the only I I'll just, you know, advocate here. The fee in lieu does open a door. It does. And if you say I mean, the other part of that is no fee in lieu and say, hey. You're just gonna have to reduce your footprint if there is a development. That

so that would be my preference. Yeah.

That would be my preference. But

So a lot of nasty things could happen, but I don't think we should

So I guess my question is

guesses of of the the nasties that are potential, It's simply space. We've already purchased half of it.

May I ask a

question real quick on the table? So

what we're talking about in the in this paragraph here is these leftover tracks. Right? The the view shit tracks. Yes. Are we wanting those to be dedicated as town open space and not take Phi and Lu, or are we just telling them to shrink the development altogether and just take basically what is UDC accepted open space?

To me, 20 half of the property, absolutely unequivocally, has been purchased as open space. It's completely off the table for any other event.

You know? Which right now, we're probably at, like, 60%.

If any use is contemplated on purchase open space, purchased by TNAC, it goes before the town vote, not it is the town council does not have an option of saying now they do have an option, say, because right now we don't know where the 50% is. But the point is somewhere and all those all that 50% should meet the what's in the the UDC. In other words, it says a minimum size of 10 acres. Well, then if you give us four acres here and five acres somewhere else, you have not met the UDC requirements. You know, that's off the table.

And likewise, they have to be or should be connected or contingent, and the minimum width is 300 feet. So all those are requirements of the developer, and to turn around and say, we will ignore them in deciding where the required property is as open spaces. Completely off the table for me.

So OSDAB maintains at least 50% of the property's acreage should remain as open space that meets the current un unified development code requirements. Think that meets what you just said, Ken. OSAP further maintains any areas that identifies as open space through development purpose that do not meet current UDC requirements should not count toward overall open space dedication requirements and that any deficiency we address through further dedication of open space or a fee in lieu. That leaves both options open.

So I guess my concern, though, is that they've already presented something to us and have, like, I think, expressed concerns about further reducing the size of development and the economics of it and the possibility of it. And this is supposed to be something where it is supported by the town for, you know, affordable housing. It's not a normal development. And I guess if we're saying, like, we want this thing. If we're saying we're very clearly saying we want the entirety of the open space, why wouldn't we just have the conversation now of saying, we're gonna put up the additional 50%, purchase the rest of the property, and just call it open space and be done.

Because I feel like, otherwise, we're gonna keep going through this process over and over and over again where it's like, well, we have this criteria, and they're like, well, that doesn't work for us, and it's just gonna continue. And if we're clearly saying we want the whole thing, just be done with it now and have the conversation of, is this board willing to recommend that we spend 3,200,000.0 or whatever it is now? Just buy the whole thing. I don't know. Sorry. Maybe that's It

sounds nothing to me because it feels like we're we will word wordsmith ourselves to death.

That's what

I'm with.

With the ins and outs and the doors and and not doors that we're opening. So if that's our consolidated position, it would be a much short shorter and sweeter message.

Yeah. I I agree. I have no objection personally with using the balance to purchase whatever amount is appropriate given, you know, the considerations that Ken brought up around that whole area where the the bill you know, the buildings are. Obviously, that doesn't qualify as open space, so that has to be taken into account when we when we talk about the amount, the TNAX is the appropriately used to purchase, right, in terms of the balance.

I think we have to be careful with that. I think if we're gonna buy the whole property, the whole balance has to be purchased with it. I don't think we could pick and choose. I think

that's that's interesting because that's not what we've discussed. No. I don't know. I'm just talking about our our discussions in the past have been more a lonely line, but, well, that's not open space. On the other hand, it's being used for

I I'm thinking, like, Schofield is a great example. Like Yeah. A lot of that didn't qualify as open space, but we purchased it as open space. And Streeby Property had a house on it. Didn't necessarily so I think we've we've we've already, as a town and as and as as a as stewards of the t and a half dollars, have purchased properties with existing structures on them. So what we do with them, yes, obviously, going back to this board, but I just wanna be careful about resetting that precedent because there's a lot of open space priorities that do have structures on them. So if we say we don't we wanna buy this property, but we don't wanna buy the houses, then what does that look like down the road? Yeah. I That makes sense. To

get that.

Yeah. I don't have any objection to that. I mean, I'm okay with using the balance to secure it. The other piece would be, well, we wanna make sure that when we do that, then the result that is that the property is properly rezoned so that it's preserved. You know, so that there's no way apart from a a, you know, a citizen vote to to change that.

Right. So I I do know that county and even the city of Longmont did has done this a time or two. But as they finished the purchase of an open space, if it had structures under the house site or houses, once they move it into an open space property, they carve off those sections and resell them to the public Mhmm. Whatever they can get to help them pay for the property that they have. They have to buy it all at once first, but then they carve that piece off, rezone it, and then sell it again. And I don't know if that would be options for us.

Now I will tell you that I I've thought about that. I just don't think that's gonna work very well in that particular location.

Well, maybe yeah. But but I mean, it's just general. I mean, in general. Yeah. But, I mean, just thought. I I don't know. I mean, I don't know if Yuri's thought about that at all either.

But I I mean, we've Well we're just going on the direction of do we wanna develop it or, you know, part of it or do it all as open space. So we could certainly have those those conversations down the road, but I think we're we just need to are we going this way or are we going this way? And then if we go this way, then that branches off into several several options. We have not considered that because that was not part of the original vision for the property, but something we can definitely consider. But one thing I

wanna point, I think there's a possibility that more will be set aside as as open space, quite a bit more, and we will not necessarily have to rave the TNAC for the whole thing. And I was like, I see no sense right now saying we wanna buy everything, and we're gonna ante up the difference between what TNAC put in and what the town paid for, which is somewhat north of 3,000,000. I I think there's a pretty good possibility that something more advantageous can occur, both in terms of expanding the amount of open space and not expanding the, what I call, the formula purchase of everything else. So I I I'm not in favor of casting everything in concrete or stone or if you wanna

cast it in concrete. We're just exploring options, and we're making recommendations. I think I take Christine's point pretty strongly that, you know, trying to keep it simple. I mean, we we're not we're not committing to anything. We're asking that we consider just a final thing.

Well, I I love the word consider and that we will. Although No. I'm serious. Yeah. So I'm I'm all in favor of considering. I'm not in favor of coming with hard and fast. Well I'm gonna write a check for 3 point whatever million and buy the whole thing, end of discussion.

You might have to ask. You might have asked for, like,

a payment That's where yeah. Yeah. Let's give the town council the the opportunity to give some thought to it collectively and see what what they say.

I think the other thing we'd have to consider is I think there was some concern about moving the funds received for the affordable housing to another property. Right?

Yeah. I thought that was a big problem.

We would just need, like, in par as part of this consideration, like, getting that information. Is that possible? The

the ARPA the ARPA deal is signed, sealed, delivered, closed. There's no concern with that. Like, that money has been spent. We don't have to worry about that. I think that is a better Ostab decision for you all to make on whether we wanna make the the the pothole again. You know? But it it has nothing to do with repaying back federal dollars or anything like that. So what no matter what route we go

questions about being able to move it from the from where, you know, what we said we were using it to purchase. I thought there was concerns at one point about, oh, good. Well, that's okay. Yep. Excellent.

That is that is all done.

So

That's good. You know,

for the count I just wanna ask, Christine, do you have some language pursuant to your point?

I I did I'd Christine, I did put it up here right here in this what is this? Third paragraph here. If the opportunity to purchase the entire property and rezone it to inappropriate open space zoning, to Joe's point, would welcome the opportunity. I don't know. I just kinda threw that together.

I

guess there's gonna be putting the option on the table and just outright recommending. Don't know. What do think?

Yeah. I mean, I guess I I feel like I'd wanna understand first from this board what their what the thoughts are on spending that kind of money, you know, whether it's a payment plan or just outright saying. Because we only have

Okay.

3,200,000.0. Right? So Yeah. We we can't wipe out the entire

No. I'm so payment plan is what I thought.

And I'd say that in tongue in cheek, but, yeah, that might be the best option. Yeah. Time.

Yeah. Wanted to you're right. We don't want it.

Yeah. I mean, I like the the red portion at the bottom of the third paragraph. Notice that opens the door for further discussion without committing to anything. It and it it doesn't mean it won't happen, it might not need to be happen, or something in between might happen, but I wanna wait and see what could possibly happen rather than commit now to essentially 100% purchase, which will could easily require a 100%. One of the objectives was to kinda put a marker in the sand as opposed to leaving it to

the town council to get another development plan and then have to go through this whole thing again.

Yeah. So, Ken, can I can I ask what what what are you leaning towards when you talk about advantageous that might come our way? I mean, do you have something in mind or just No. Just feel the way the way politics works and kind

of No. Except the the water. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's it's yeah.

Which is fine. I mean, I'm just curious if you had something in back of your mind which you thought it might actually be.

No. Let's put it just I I try very hard to read the tea leaves Right. And the tea leaves tell me that we should not slam the doors. Right. How about that?

That's your sense, Wood.

I think this letter, as amended, gives you your stance preserving it as open space. That's the stance. Yeah. That's that's the preference. And we can even strengthen that a little bit.

But it also it also addresses the structures of how you all feel about the structures, right, which I think taking our operational support space, say, this is just potential use of storage space, and I think that addresses any council concerns as well. I think, you know, well, if if if we do it all as open space, then we have no money for affordable housing. We've cracked that door of, yes, this board would be open to discussion of purchasing the and rezoning to an open space. And then if if the ultimate decision is to move toward a development, then then we've given some immediate guardrails around that. So we basically said, this is what we want.

This is what we'd like to see the property be in the case that it doesn't go exactly the way of open space. At least we've let ourselves know.

I agree. I I like the revisions. Could I suggest It's shown.

With that last sentence, the opportunity to purchase, put it in the first paragraph where we say we'd like to have the whole thing. That way it connects to. Anyway, I'm just gonna say another paragraph.

Okay. That's a good idea because, basically, as sometimes happens, the first paragraph is spread and then attention wanders. So I I think we've got everything we need in the first paragraph.

Jim, what are your thoughts?

Like, I think this paragraph still gives me a little bit of heartburn. I get into the Fia and Lou thing. I mean, it feels like that's It's not that is that really an option? Or at that point is the position, this is no longer an investment that we would have Yeah. Taken. And it's like flipping, and then we want to you know, supposed to wanting the option to buy it all, we want the option to be reimbursed. So I I don't know. Phe and Lu doesn't feel like

Well, I I like that. Why I mean, we know they could do that. I know. I guess Why why oh oh, I hadn't thought about that. Let's look at that. I mean, to me, we're just opening the door to something we clearly don't want. So I agree with Tim. I'd I'd like to see those four words removed or five or We don't see how

we would still be wanting to invest in the property if what's left is carved up into mishmash. Yeah.

Because that's basically

cash. You know that.

If if you UDC rules, which can be overwritten, which we're not gonna talk about, says if you're putting up residences, there's an exact formula Yeah. On how much open space we okay? And furthermore, there's some very explicit requirements on what does and does not qualify as open space dedicated through the development process.

I think it'd be just say in accordance with the UBC, because the UBC cutting your feet in a loop too. We don't have to put in Pardon me? Could you repeat it? Sure. I think as long as you say in accordance with the UVC, you don't have to say anything about Phe and Lu because

Oh, I thought that that's fine. Yeah. I agree. You know?

That way you don't you don't highlight it as an option. Just Yeah. Recognize it, you know, if they wanna go there, that's

something Yeah. I agree. That that's another progress. Period. Just not Yeah. Another sense or phrase in UDC, but, you know, why repeat it? Yeah. Just Oh. I think it shouldn't be in this letter even though we know that but if I'm reading

what happened. So so I I would like to loop back to you what you you two guys made though,

because we're, again, we're we're

we're really focused on the big paragraph now. And I think there was agreement that do we even need that paragraph? Okay. I mean, is it is it really kind of muddying our position, or is it providing further clarity? That's my question.

K. This is the one that Luke's working on now? Right. Okay.

Why why don't we just say if if that were the case that Ostab be further consultant consulted Yeah. Something to that effect.

What about just so imagine that all this goes away,

and then maybe you add back in this part.

Yeah. You want I actually want that in there.

That's to I can't remember if it was Bill or Dave said Yeah.

That's right.

In accordance with the UDC. Right? That covers all options.

Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. And then any development plan should strive to preserve much of the property's open space value as possible, including new sheds, truck orders, then travel tab. And then all this would just go away.

It's I like the addition of additional. Sorry. Just feel like before it was almost muddy out. We're talking about the core path that we that we own. Right? Or we're talking about the additional part that needs to be set aside from the other half,

has to be done.

In accordance with the UDC.

Yeah. It does bring a lot cleaner.

It's good. Sorry. I mean, I was

gonna do that, but I was I'll

let you guys get there on your own. So

how do we feel? How are we feeling about this?

Should we go around the room? Thumbs up, thumbs down?

Let's do.

I sorry. I just I just Well, you got interrupt.

I mean, I don't feel that

this outcome would have happened had this board not gotten involved early and Yeah. Sent the message that it did. I think that everybody should be very proud of that we're with.

I'm having trouble here. Could you repeat it for me?

He said he's very proud of you.

Pardon me? Good job. Okay. Okay. You don't have to repeat it.

That's all.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm cold. Is everyone okay? Okay. There's a thumbs up?

Yeah. Yeah. Good.

K. I'll clean it up. Separate thumbs.

I'll clean it up, and then we'll get it

off to you, Kessel. Do you know? Okay. K. Thanks so much.

You're welcome.

Okay. There's my agenda. We we are on We are on favorite topic. Open space and trails applicant review and recommendation to town council. So last month, we received 12 applications for four open seats. I will tell you that there's no documented process on how we reappoint members. That direction came from the clerk's office, so we recognize that we need to work on that process. So I'll just make that very clear that we know that this process was lacking, and we we need to make some adjustments. So we heard that from this board. We heard that from a couple other boards.

So staff met based on some feedback that some of you provided, some of the other boards provided, and said, well, give us some criteria to score against, and, we probably need to redo this process. So all what we're gonna do tonight, all of the other boards and commissions that have open seats are going through this process. It's it's it's still not the best, but it's something that we can do now that's fair across the board. So one of the issues that we had was, obviously, didn't have a quorum last meeting when the four members left, and that created issue number one. And then, of course, just the general ranking didn't feel very clear to everybody.

So what we decided on tonight is that I have score sheets for everybody. And, yes, the existing members will score on the same score sheet, and we're the criteria that you're going to use is the application questions that were provided by each applicant. You're gonna score them one through five. We have this very simple criteria, scoring for each question. There are four questions, one being a weak response, five being an exceptional response.

You will tally each score for each candidate. So out of five, ten, fifteen, twenty, so a possible score out of 20, you'll score those on your own. You'll pass the score sheet to the staff liaison, which is me. I have a spreadsheet that'll input everybody's overall score for each candidate that will generate a composite score. So all your scores will be included in that, and then we'll rank the candidates from one to 12.

High score to low score.

High yes. Thank you. High score to low score. We'll throw it up, and then the members can have a discussion on the top four candidates and whether they wanna change it. The scores does not mean that the four the top four you have to select, that is at your discretion. So if you say, nope. We all really think that five is the best, you you can all make that recommendation. This is just a vessel to get us all on the all on equal playing field when it comes to criteria because that's what we heard. Said we need some criteria. So any questions?

Can I make a comment for for city council liaison?

You may. John, I given that there are two boards or commissions in Erie that deal with development applications, OSTAP and planning commission. Sorry, Bill. Really quickly, this does not include planning commission. Planning commission is its separate own process.

No. I gotcha. So But it it feels to me that in instances where there are more applications, so there are vacancies like what we're looking at tonight, it feels wholly appropriate to have counsel involved with those interviews in the same way that you do with with planning commission. I feel like the absence of interviews that we as a board have had with these applicants, I think it's a disservice to understanding better who the candidates are and what their motivations are. So I just offer that as a thought for you to take back to counsel, but, you know, serving on this board is a is a privilege, and I think, you know, creating those pathways for people to get involved is a good thing.

Yeah. And and the process is different. The council doesn't determine the the process.

Yeah. So I'll make I'll make note of that for when we Yeah. Start talking about the process as a whole. Yeah. Thanks,

Bill. But Thanks, Luke. The council does have the final say. Those these are recommendations, not requirements.

They they

can also decide.

The other thing I would like to do, not tonight, obviously, but I I still think there are really serious flaws in this process. It's somewhat less worse than before. But to me, there's a it's a long way to go. So I would like to spend some time at the next meeting when we still have the same seven people talk about, you know, if everyone thinks such and such is a significant flaw, then we can forward that to the town for consideration next time. Because I'm I don't like this at all, but I realized we can't change it Right. At this point.

And can you bring up a good point since we have four current members whose terms are expiring on April 30, which is across multiple boards. We cannot have a May meeting because we will not have a quorum because we will have members that are Okay. So not

of the new people will take take their seats in in June. Yes. Yeah. After the The point is, so there'll be no May meetings. Correct. Because in in this case No. There'd be Now if the reverse were were true and we had three people whose poor terms were found, could you still have a beating?

If you only had three members? No.

If you if you had seven members, four are terms continue, and three do not. So could you still have a meeting with with the the four people, which would then still constitute a

I yeah. I think so, but I think those are wrinkles in the process that

we Yeah.

Yeah. That's yeah. A very good answer. Who who heck knows? But I but I think that's kind of a wrinkle in the Okay. In the process that we need to

address. I think we can address that Or we we can oh, wait. We can't do it.

Can't just

So if we can't meet in May and and We can't extend our appointment. We okay. Well, I'll be perfectly honest. I'm I'm gonna write a letter, personal letter. Well,

I understand.

I just I'm worried about complaining about the process. I understand. Well, I can't we have a consensus on it, but if it doesn't feel that's possible.

And this isn't a parks and rec thing

Oh, no. I can totally realize thing.

This is it's a it's a it's a it's a town gap that we need to to fill. So and I think this is the process that all the boards and commissions are gonna go through. So what was happening was not consistent. So our our acting town manager in the town clerk's office said, make it a consistent process. Everybody redo their reappointments. Everybody do the scoring. We'll cancel all the May meetings so council can make recommendations at their May meetings, and then everybody will take seats in June.

When when is the date? Is it the May 12 meeting that you're gonna be making the

I can tell you here. I

I don't know if it's it's it's still on the advanced agenda as April 28, but it's being moved to May.

Let me pop it up real quick and see if I can

been updated.

Well, this is an old one.

Please.

Just change around this. So you can probably tell we're going through a lot of changes right now. So

let's see here. Looking for post no. Advanced.

Misspoke. I said May 12. That would be the thirteenth for the for the town council.

Yeah. That's right. Yeah.

Yeah. I I think I probably threw that out too. I apologize.

Oh, okay. Alright.

Let's see here.

What's the candidate review process gonna look like to prepare for the rankings? Are we gonna just pull them up one by one? Are we gonna read them? You guys already did this once.

Right? My hope is that since everybody got the agenda that, hopefully, there's a you've you've looked at them at some point, seeing some head nods, but, yes, I can pull them

up on the screen. Yeah.

That would be helpful. I mean, I

I No. If I can get a head start

some notes on every one of them. That's a lot. So I have a general May 12. Idea, but I did not go to the point of assigning specific numbers.

So it is it is May 12. Yeah. Okay. So that's Monday. No. That's Monday or Tuesday, May 12.

Okay.

Any other questions before I pass these out?

Yes. If someone has answered yes to doing business with the town of Erie, is there any clearance further clearance they need to go through, or is

it The applications have been vetted, and they're yes. There's no as long as there's not perceived, how did Brina put this, economic gain or loss of economic something rather, then there's no conflict of interest present. So

It's probably a materiality component too. I'm just guessing that if if you're doing a $100,000 worth of business with the town every year, you can't serve. But in in this case, you

know What was disclosed

was was Watch out. Not today. I'm not here. You

have pen

and puzzles? I have. I have.

What's that? You want to get a puzzle? I need a pen and a paper. A pen.

I don't need mine. Yeah.

Let's bring this.

I can go try to hunt down a pen. I got a

full pen. I was I was

the thing that we can do is just take

a piece,

you know, the back

of your agenda and write it down as a graph so you can get them in the order that you want on score sheet.

Just another idea.

Find some answers.

Okay. Are we gonna get to get to see him again? Are we supposed to go with our

No. Gonna see him anyway.

Oh, I got it. Lights ramp. I got it.

Oh, what a quirky thing. You don't have any pencils in the meanwhile looking at these.

Was here. I'd nowhere to find some pencils. But

And did you all want me to pull up the applications? Oh.

And that's what I was gonna do.

That would be helpful from my perspective. Yeah.

So I have a picture. You have to come.

We got this. We need do this.

Just confirming we are supposed to rank ourselves.

Yes. Oh, whoops. All candidates.

Okay. Let me go back to this tag on code again.

I'll just leave Cameron's

up here for a couple minutes.

Is this the first one?

Yes. Okay.

Yeah.

Anybody wanna stay on Cameron?

Yeah. I'm ready for the next one.

K. See if I can actually get it to work.

Do I have to do that again?

Should've just printed them out.

Yeah.

It's like square one here, Luke.

Trying to save paper

by not bringing them all?

Okay. Maybe if I share this window, maybe that'll avoid me.

Okay.

Alright. This is Christine.

Just so we're all clear, it goes question one, two, three, four, starting with why are you interested and then if you were appointed. Because I have realized they're not numbered.

But Do you have the time? It's not one of these criteria. Oh, I'd love to be on the board, but I can only make 50 of the meetings. Here's my application. It's not gonna happen.

Anybody need to stay on Christine's? I'm done. K. K. We have Daniel Johnson.

K. So I'll just go and do the first three questions

Yeah. That's fine. For

about thirty seconds, and then I'll go to number four here.

K. I'm gonna scroll down.

Anybody need me to stay on Daniel?

K. We're gonna go to Ed.

Sorry. I have one question. I just thought of Yes. I think there used to be a question about what part of the time you live in.

We did discuss that a little bit last meeting, and that's something that we noted is, you know, is it a heat map or something like that? Not obviously direct addresses, but we did discuss that for future considerations on that geographic diversity again because there's no documented process on how it goes.

Okay.

Yeah. Well, yes.

We previously did it by by, what do you think about this? That was one of the criteria. We didn't want everybody to be in one county or four people being one some they shouldn't even. Yeah. Because then if an issue comes up involving that, you know, do they recuse themselves? Do they get accused of

this is question number two for Ed, because it doesn't fit all on one screen. So I'm just kinda scrolling through.

And then question number three is

and question number four for Ed.

Anybody not ready to move on? Onward.

Hey, Ian.

Everybody ready to move on? Okay.

This is Joe. Anyone not ready to move on?

I'm ready.

This is Ken.

Anybody not ready to move on?

Go for it.

This is Kyle.

Let's do the first three questions here, then I'll scroll down for the fourth. Scroll down a little bit. Anybody not ready to move on? K. Moving to Logan.

Anybody not ready to move on? K. This is Steve. Anyone not ready to move on? This is Tim.

Oops. I've been in the right lane, doesn't it? I think I got it. Thanks, Dan.

Alright. Anybody not ready to move on? Alright. And then can everybody confirm that William is the last one on your sheet? Yes. Alright.

K. We'll do the first two questions, and then we'll scroll to the next two questions. K. Let's go down to the next two questions. Anybody not ready to move on?

Any applications that we need to revisit?

K. I assume you wanna set total upper on sheets. If that would be helpful, I'll I will Double check it.

I'll double check it.

You're just putting the totals in there? You know?

I'm just putting yeah. I'm just putting in the totals.

Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. You don't want that you don't want that. Yeah. That'd be great if you Yeah.

Oh, I knew I was gonna do that. It will be in no particular order.

Topics of discussion while you're waiting is the avalanche or nuggets playoffs, the masters,

the Rockies.

Should we vote on this sequence of what we talk about? That is first. Masters first.

He's had a little wind streak there or That's

That's weird. Yeah.

I thought that.

That's I'm I'm not a golfer. I I watched a decent portion of the last two days. Yeah. But, you know, the the skill level is just Oh, it's beautiful. Well, the one that says it all to me is Yeah.

McElroy on the last hole, the last round, he puts his ball into the the trees. And, I mean, it's really far into the trees that we are looking through. And the announcer's, oh, I think he's got an opening. Instead of getting back on the course, he says, he can and I don't even know hit it up high, go way over that tree in front of him, and then, I guess it's a hawk, go all the way to the left. And he doesn't have to worry about the rough that was created to make it hard.

Sure enough, that's exactly what he did. And essentially, by doing that, he I mean, if he had to go, you know, through the woods to the Yeah. To the house, he would have been lucky to tie. Just the idea of it. Of course, that's what I'll do. Yeah. And at least not brush ups.

And what's the what's the train drama?

Pardon me?

What's the train drama?

Oh, oh, oh, yeah. You well, Bill, why don't you tell them why you might have been late today? Now the board you're on.

I've been part of the team that came up with the, new name for the, front range passenger rail, the Colorado connector. So we started November with 400 names and ultimately narrowed it down to four, and then, 25,000 Coloradans voted on the winning name, and governor Polis announced it last Monday at Union Station.

I got the impression that we're be involved in the next step, which is this where where you make some hard decisions. Yeah. That was the drama I was referring to. So

yeah. So the headline is that this has never happened before, but BNSF, Union Pacific, ROTD, and Amtrak have all agreed to let their rail be used at the same time. So Mhmm. ROTD is gonna be voting on on releasing several $100,000,000 of fast track funding that they had been collecting since 2004. And under that scenario, you could have commuter rail express rail from Boulder to Fort Collins three times a day in the rush hour AM and PM by 2029.

And then they'll also move to having a November ballot measure that for people living within the district, which will ultimately stretch from the Wyoming border down to the New Mexico border, people may be asked on the November ballot if they lived in that district to approve, like, a half cent sale savings tax increase. So That's huge. And if that happens, then you'll have rail connecting all the way from Fort Collins ultimately down to Trinidad and then probably the state borders and beyond, but that'd be 10 round trip 10 round trip trips a day.

Oh, those are at Coco. That's what Coco. Was like, I feel like I still follow.

That's not the drama. The drama is it's been a hard decision that we have. Particularly, should we put a stop in location a or b in this town? Yikes.

Yeah. So the station plans already are with are gonna be Fort Collins, Loveland, Longmont, Boulder, Lewisville, Broomfield, Westminster, Denver, Colorado Springs, Sterling Ranch, and Douglas County, Loveland, and three or four.

Getting a wife back. Solution is I'm at the stand the rest of the meeting.

Boy, you can't adjust the I don't. Why?

I have a white flag. Oh. Sand cramps. It evaporates from the sand that starts talking when I sit down Slipping.

Exciting for you, Justin. Pretty exciting for

you. Yeah.

Yeah. Yep. That's what I thought.

Yep. Yes. It's really cool.

I don't get out

of the office, but

it seems to his back.

Oh, shoot. Oh. And Yeah.

Bumping up to that higher level.

Back every year, we rent a slave house on one of the Finger Lakes or something. Sometimes. Oh, yeah. They Because my Indian is the North End and and, yeah, and it's for at the. I got we got

we added a full time slot last year. Why do I have 11?

I'll see it. I'll see it. Oh, nice.

Yeah. People. You're gonna And

I was just gonna have all street time. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Pretty area. So you're gonna have to through all the administrative stuff just band.

I want to get down there and up there. Fall. Yeah. The fall. The meetings

and everything else. It's like It's like Yeah. And that so you guys are just kidding. I'm not

gonna make