Historic Preservation Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

and I am calling the Erie Historic Preservation Advisory Board meeting to order. Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Okay. Roll call. Mike Turner here. Alex Witts here. D'Andrea Arndt.

Here.

Kelsey Bebo. Here. Laura, not here. Teaser, not here. And Rachel is not here. So that, but we have four, so we have a quorum. I also see Brian O'Connor and Harry Brennan? I do not see a Neal. Okay. Everybody had an opportunity to read the agenda?

Yes.

From all the people here, I need a motion.

I'll motion to approve the agenda as written.

Alex has motion to approve. I have a second.

Second.

DeAndrea has seconded. All in favor? You got to raise your hand, Kelsey. Read the minutes.

Don't we need to vote to approve the minutes?

We have to say, yeah, you approve the minutes after you read them.

Oh, okay. I did read the minutes. Okay.

Get emotional.

I motion to amend the minutes.

Oh, I think you need to amend the agenda if you want to be official because I don't see the minutes on here.

That's because Michelle left the minutes off because she published earlier on Friday.

She published and I didn't do until Friday afternoon.

So I think we'll officially approve them.

Yeah, we have to approve two minutes.

One thing I noticed that was missing was you told me verbally that y'all tabled the election of officers. Yeah. But that was not indicated in the minutes.

Oh.

So it's just one.

Well, we can. Yes. Well, we'll have to put it on the agenda next time. month anyways, since, uh, since Michelle didn't get it in the agenda here. So it's okay. We can skip them.

And it was on the agenda.

Yeah. Okay.

So you could amend your agenda, but yeah, it's not listed.

Let's just have it.

And DeAndrea has a motion that the minutes be approved with an amendment that, uh, that belaying the voting was not contained in the minutes.

How official do you want to be? Yeah, let's not approve the minutes since they weren't in the packet. Okay. We'll just do it next month. We can do this month and last month.

Hey, you're Neil sneaking in.

Okay.

Now, so next month, we're Next month we'll have to approve two or three minutes.

Yeah. Yeah. From last month. Yeah.

Okay.

Sorry about that.

Are you here for the COA?

Yes. I had thought someone else might be here as well. Okay. I can introduce it and talk to you.

All right. So we'll go on. I don't see anybody here for public comment. Yeah, we don't have the capability for call-in, so they have to be here in person. Okay, the election. Now, this is, since we're missing three.

We just elect all of them, and then. Exactly. Now, Cesar did, Cesar sent me a,

a text that he just got back from vacation, is not feeling well. Rachel is at a fair. I haven't heard from Laura. But Caesar said for at least two, he says, I support you for chair and D'Andrea for vice chair, but he didn't say anything about secretary. So with three positions and only four of us here, Does it make sense to elect anybody?

I know the clerk's office would prefer that we do that.

I think we should. Okay. Now, I'm going to indicate, and I know I'll do it, but before my term is up, I'm not exactly sure if we can afford to stay in Erie. So... I mean, I'll do it up until that point. And then if I resign, that means D'Andrea will step up. And she's the longest term besides me. Yes.

Rachel's longer than you.

Yeah, but.

And Cesar.

Yeah.

And mine.

So with that caveat, open for nominations for chairs. Somebody has to nominate.

Are we supposed to nominate? Yes. I'll nominate Mike.

Okay. Second. So I've been nominated and seconded for chair. All in favor? Aye. I guess that's unanimous. Nobody wants it. Okay. Right, Brian.

It wasn't bad. I ended up, I was vice chair, and then the chair resigned, and I became chair. That's how that happens.

That's how I got to be chair, is Mike Katarnik resigned. You don't know him, so. Okay, nominations for vice chair. I nominate DeAndrea Arndt.

I'll second that nomination.

Okay. All in favor? That's unanimous. Yeah. I'm going to write. Okay.

We have a use for the railroad depot now. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay, now secretary. Melanie was really, really good. Yeah, because she would do the minutes during the meeting, and she would forward them that night.

If elected, would Alex or Kelsey be willing to serve as secretary?

I will be having a baby.

Yeah.

in January. So I don't know if that, I don't know how long I'm going to be out. Maybe two. Who knows? I don't know.

Hey, that is.

It's the fourth one, so it's like. It's not like I'm planning anything. All right. I nominate Kelsey Bebo for secretary.

Second that combination. Okay, it's been moved and seconded that Kelsey Bebo be secretary. All in favor? Unanimous. Good job. You get to do the minutes. Now, Kelsey, you can do them the way I do. If you want, you can either do it now or you can watch a video online.

Yeah, and the clerk's office just needs a minute, essentially the week before the next meeting.

So, yeah, don't wait until Friday before the meeting to do them.

There's a specific format, though.

Yeah, that doesn't say I can send you.

And it doesn't like my Apple computer, I'll tell you that much.

That's why you just couldn't be secretary.

There's other reasons. I can forward them to you.

Okay.

And if you just follow that format, you'll be fine. And then, okay. And thank you, DeAndrea and Kelsey, for stepping up.

Thank you, Mike. Yeah.

You know. So, budget report.

We have... $19,271.86 remaining. So we've spent.

How is that possible? Well, we spent. No, no. I'm saying because we sent $1,100 to Parks and Rec.

Oh, I'm sure that just hasn't come out yet. Oh, well, all right. I don't know what his billing timeline looks like.

Yeah.

Yeah, because that number, I think, pretty much just reflects the amount we spent on booth upgrades. So, this $1,100 will be coming out of that still.

All right. Just a little second for explanation. Kelsey, when we went to do the survey of the Eagle Mine, we as a board have been trying to do it for years. And we can never get the grant done. Well, Parks and Rec did it. And there's a 10% match. And we told them we would do the match. And that's where that $1,100 comes from.

It's a collaboration.

Yeah. So our ordinance states that we cannot landmark a property until it's been surveyed. And you as an archaeologist and historian know what that means. So

So now we can land market efforts done.

It is really the only existing mine that hasn't been paved over.

I'm thinking for hundreds of miles.

It's like almost in northern Colorado. It's really the only one around that's still viable. Because you don't see the buildings, but the pads are still there.

Yeah, you can see that one of the head frames or something.

Yeah.

The water tower frame, I think.

The water tower's there. And that's actually not in that bad a condition for as old as it is. Okay, just a little history to bring you up. Okay, planning.

Nothing new. We're still working on that project at 130 Wells that has been, or in the past has been the garden center. And then the last year has just been sort of a dirt parking lot overflow. So yeah, still working on that. I'm trying to think if there's anything new.

That's going to be a multi-use, isn't it?

It'll be multi-use. It's only planned to be one story, so it'll be a single-story building, but it'll have five different suites in it, so like a restroom, at least for now, playing in an ice cream shop, and then three, I think, suites that are just sort of undetermined at this point that could be retail or... History Museum?

Yeah. We can dream.

Yeah. Okay. Historic District... research you guys heard oh uh the two people that were supposed to review the thing aren't here so but uh the uh the comp you know they were supposed to review the comp and then send it uh to josh Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Neither one of them are here. Did someone else do that? No, it's already done. It had to be done that night.

And I think Rachel, or that week, but I think Rachel did send comments to him because I know he told me he was emailing back and forth with her.

Okay, so as far as a historic district is, tomorrow night we have to... brief the council. But this is not a night to ask for a decision. This is just a brief on what's going on. So I will touch on tomorrow night.

So yeah, tomorrow night's the...

It used to be every six months. Now it's once a year.

Each board only gets... Do you want us to be there?

You can be there if you want. It's not required. It's required that somebody from this board be there.

And there is no URA meeting. What? There is no URA meeting tomorrow, so it'll start at 630.

We get to go early?

There is a lengthy consent agenda, public comment, and then I expect some public comment from other things going on right now. And then it goes right into the presentations, and that's all so far that's on there.

And I'm first, right? I guess... Don't put me behind the airport board. The board's last, so... Yeah.

Well, A does come first.

H. Let me... Why are you looking up that? Okay, social media... The big social media event was supposed to be last 27th of June, was supposed to be the rail bike thing. And the reason why it was canceled is I was told that the town had just planted and they didn't want anybody trampling on their seeds. So it got canceled. That's what I was told. I'm sure the governor appreciated that because the governor was supposed to be here. and as of now uh bob rummer tells me that uh and he's the owner that there's no date yeah okay you are fifth second to last i'm last oh man i'm gonna have to bring my pillow yeah but it's not there's

Nothing in front of it other than public comment.

My eyes are glass over. Okay. On the phase three surveys, we are still waiting for funding. History Colorado is still waiting for money.

Good news. We got an email today, late today, from Lindsay. She said the money has come through. And so she sent a couple sort of initiation forms that Stephanie or step is going to help us fill out, but we, we got it. I got the money.

We finally got it. How much is our ERO was a 35,000, right?

Yeah. So I'm going to reach back out to them. They've checked on a few times. I've checked.

So the reason why we asked for 20,000 this year was because of this. And so we owe the max was 25,000 and the bid was 35,000. So that's a CLG there. There's not a match for a CLG, but we're kicking in the extra money. We're getting 25 from history and then we'll pay 10,000. Yeah. Oh my goodness. And Kelsey, that's 25 properties.

They're there. Yeah. Fully funding the 25,000. Yeah.

And they're all intensive. Yeah. When I, when I, I wrote it, I wanted them all intensive and, So, because there are a few people that I've talked to that in those properties want to see that report.

Yeah, because we got, and I think actually one of the things that really helped us this year when we applied for it was we got some letters of support from homeowners, from some of the residents who were like, yeah, sure, if it's no cost to them. So it's just, you know, cool.

Yeah, so we got a lot of support from the community this time. We've been trying to do this for, Two years.

And they're just in downtown?

Yeah, they're all... We originally had Eagle Mine on the first one, and one of the reviewers said, why are you recruiting this? It's not in Old Town.

But can you give her the streets where these are...

It's... Basically all of them. A lot of it is on Pierce.

It's Maine, Pierce.

They're online on a document online, right?

Yeah. Yeah, I can send... Well, I can send you the... Kelsey, what I'll do is I'll send you the grant request. Okay.

They're over 100 years old? Over...

Now, I selected everything that was in the 30s or older. Yeah, because Holbrook, almost the whole Holbrook is done.

And that's when I found out that anything over 50 years old is considered historic.

Yeah. My house is halfway there.

I have to record a lot of times for Project Sweet. we record things that are 45 years or older. Because projects, you know, have a lifespan. It takes five years to complete. So it's really weird recording things in the 70s and 80s.

And this building is nationally registered. And it's the only national registered property we got. The farm Schofield, Schofield farm is state registered. And so is, uh, the wise, those are both state registered. So, so, but the only national property we have is this one. So, uh, anytime that anything gets done to this, it has to get approved. Okay. You should have heard the town one. Oh.

That's what the one you're talking about. Yeah. I'm sitting in the new one.

Yeah, the new one, but that's the one. And when this one was going to be added, we did have a lot of people at our meetings.

Yeah.

And the town did.

It should be.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, tax credits. You didn't forward me that form to include them in the packet. You said the briefing that you had.

Oh. Yeah. Yeah, I can send that to you again.

Yeah, so I can include it in next month's packet.

Got it.

Because you asked it to go on to the website. Did you contact Gabby Ray?

Yeah, we did. I'm trying to remember right now because it's like a month ago, but we did. I'm trying to remember, Alex, didn't we have an email chain going with Gabby and...

We did, but you did your part, and then it dropped off. Okay. I was going to ask you tonight if I should respond because I'm happy to. No, I can't. More than that.

Yeah. So once we get that, right, then we have something we can send over to Gabby.

Yep.

Okay.

I'll send that to you.

All right. Thanks. But it has to come before us to approve it. before we can send it. Okay. Okay, the railroad histogram. And Kelsey, bend your head, I can't see you. It's when we do, I would like to get together with you. It can only be you and me. Because if there's a third person, then it's an advertised meeting. Okay. But I'd like to show you what I have. And you told me last meeting that you have a lot of this.

There's a lot of stuff on the state database.

And it's just, I'll say it again, it's just amazing to me of all the communities in Colorado that The trains ran into most of them. Very few communities have done this. There's not a lot of it.

No, it's probably done through federal projects.

Yeah. But even that, if you go on History Colorado's site and do it, there's not a lot there. I'm sure there's more than that, but that's all that's there.

Yes. Oh, I have access to the statewide database, all the site files, all the research that's been compiled.

Yeah, but we're concerned about Erie and the sites because the Columbine mine, although it's associated with Erie, was actually in a town called Serene.

Oh, that's the Serenity Park.

Yeah, that doesn't exist anymore.

It's under a landfill.

Yeah. Yeah, so, and the, from Eagle Mine, where they went to drop in Brighton, that's basically in County Road 6 and 13. There's nothing there now. That's where their cars went to get and then go up the hill. Okay. So, yeah, okay. A COA, Kelsey, you know what a COA is?

Certificate of Appropriateness?

That's a modification to an existing... It's a Certificate of Appropriateness is a form when any change is going to be made to an historic property. And so that's why it's here. Now, we vote on it. And we make a recommendation to the town council that it be approved. Now, normally it's a consent agenda item that just gets done. But if there's any questions, then we get called. So... For the chamber built, oh, what are they going to do at the old town hall? If you go to 235 Wells, and hopefully you can go in it, and you will see the remnants of the jail cells. And it was a fire station, and it was a police station, and now it's a chamber of commerce.

Yeah, so yeah, as Mike mentioned, we have through our ordinance the ability, any structure that has been locally designated as a landmark, if it's doing significant or doing external alterations, it has to go through a certificate of appropriateness. first reviewed by HPAP, and HPAP can make a recommendation on it, and then it goes to council for final decision, as you mentioned. And yeah, usually if there's no issues with it, it just goes on consent.

Now, once it gets according to the ordinance, once it's submitted to us, okay, we have up to 45 days to respond.

We actually took that out of the ordinance.

Oh, you did? Yeah. So how long do we have now?

I don't know. How long are you trying to say?

And then it was supposed to come to the town council before 90 days. So... I guess I haven't read the ordinance. You never told me you took that out.

I think I came to you guys and said we were going to make some changes to that. But yeah, we were just concerned those were a little too tight for like, considering this board meets once a month, getting it to kind of match up.

appropriate dates and to kind of build in the amount of time we need to prep packets and things we didn't have it was too tight so yeah okay we bumped it out a little 60 days but i think it's yeah that sounds right so it's uh but it was made 45 because of two meetings and then we dropped a response and send it on to them but harry does that so okay and then he calls me up to sign yeah

stuff so yeah you can see town hall here you just go down the block down wells uh this is kind of an odd little property so the town owns uh upside down u-shaped property yeah that surrounds this little sort of auto shop type use here but the chamber or yeah the historic city hall and now chamber of commerce building is this one this little one here 235 wells and so they are wanting to do some number one some repairs to the stucco that's on the alley side and they would just paint it back paint to match what's there I had heard that they wanted to do something with a stucco So that's just repair of the stucco. The... The alterations they're hoping to do, though, are window replacements. So they're having... They're wanting to replace essentially all the windows and doors.

So this is... Are they going to be wood?

That is... One of the things, so they don't want to do wood because wood, they say, is more expensive to maintain and a lot more expensive to order because these are all custom. They all have to be custom ordered to fit these openings. So they are proposing to do something that would be either a metal or vinyl product and painted to match or painted and also textured. I guess they can do like a wood texture on it. Yeah.

Is there a possibility they can use composite?

I can ask.

Because we know composite has been approved.

And yeah, since there's no one... Are any of these original to the building? No. So this was a... The French doors had to be added later on. French doors had to be added because this was actually like a garage door at some point. I don't know if that was...

This was the fire station.

So that was a fire door. It's not tall.

But you have to remember in those days, in the 40s and the 50s, the engines were that big. And it was a jail before that. Yep.

Or the police station.

Yeah.

And there are, well, let me go. I guess I can actually go to the spec sheets. It's a cool one. And not just tell you guys about it. The door looks like it could be old.

And that was all approved long before me. Now, when we talk about landmarking for local landmarking, we're only talking about Street View. OK. All right. We don't care about the inside.

Well, we care. We just don't have juice.

Now, if we decided to state or nationally, then it would have to be done.

Let's see.

Reminded me of some of my old Navy days with the frequency spectrum.

Yeah, that's too much for my brain.

Electronic warfare was my specialty. So this...

This would be... window and I'm looking to see what because that's vinyl right there.

That's aluminum. That's aluminum.

It's aluminum.

You go to the English as to where they say aluminum.

I think that's the not necessarily the frame, but it's like the Little thermal bearing barrier that they put around the edges of it.

There are these double panes?

But I think you're right. I think it's aluminum.

The one on the left, because that's circled on the first page.

Oh, yeah. 35, yeah.

Yeah, that's the style. So what would the French doors look like?

I thought there was a photo in here of the doors, but I'm not seeing it now, so.

There's door hardware in there, but...

They are continuing... Yeah, I'm not sure there's a good...

They're continuing to use it as a...

They do want to continue to use it as a door, so they're going to stay window-door combo, because apparently there's no... I think there might actually be... There's some grade change, I think, in between... sidewalk in the building. I don't know if it's lower, maybe. But there's this, in any case, is easier for them to wheel in deliveries and things, because I think there's a bit of a lip once you get inside.

Or does it step up? It might step up. Remember that? When we were there, does it step up or step down? I thought it did.

That's an old picture, you know why? There's no landmark black. Yeah. There's no landmark plaque on it.

It's right there. It's just semi-blared. I don't know why.

No, that's the number one. That's not the plaque.

Oh, is that the walking tour one? Yes. Oh, actually, yeah. Look, this is August 2012. Yeah. didn't give us the there there's april 20 yeah with a car in front yeah that's a great shot there's the landmark plaque yeah um so we don't have to make a decision tonight especially because uh There isn't someone from facilities here to talk more about it.

Yeah. Now would you ask him about composite?

Yeah. So why don't I, I could, I could take them or bring him like a list of questions and be like, this is what we talked about.

The windows is, is my main concern. The brick is already there. So being repaired, that's no big deal.

Yeah.

And the stucco repair, that's no big deal.

They won't be changing the openings or changing the brick at all.

But I'm concerned. I just don't like on historic buildings, vinyl or aluminum.

Those are deeper windows on the side. Yeah. And I do think they would be replacing these alley windows, too.

It would be nice if they could even them up a little bit.

There's all over the place.

Yeah. It used to be broken up in a little different offices.

And then the stucco is just repairs. So the way I understand it is they're just repairing and keeping essentially a light for light matching the color, but getting rid of some of the cracking and stuff that have gone on.

This is normal maintenance. So that's, that's no issue, but the windows for me is an issue.

What about the way they open? I mean, do they tip in or tip out? I've never.

These look like they tip in.

Yeah, because they're all windows that would come in.

So would those have been original to the building?

No.

That's not original in the 30s? Because that's wood.

Yeah. You can see the cracks.

Mm-hmm.

Sorry, the framing might be, but the windows are. The windows. Yeah, the window. The glazing.

The glass. When do you think they are? 50s? 60s?

I don't, I can't tell, but so like when you get back to the 30s, that glass starts to melt. And if you look really close, it's wavy and it's thicker at the bottom than it is at the top.

Okay.

That looks, and that looks too clear. A lot of times it gets bubbles. I have to look at it up close, but just from the street view, it looks a lot more modern. Once you get past 50s, 60s, it's really hard.

It's old, maybe.

That's all I can say.

It was made last year.

Yeah.

And I understand that. What about the way the window opens?

Sometimes it does matter, but it depends on, so it depends on what this building is, what criteria it qualifies under, why it's historically significant. So let's say, so there are different A, B, C, and D, different criteria. If it qualifies under C, which is unique architectural or aesthetic characteristics, then something like a window would definitely matter. I don't think it qualifies as that. If it's A, which is like broad patterns of history of the first jail, then you can sometimes get away with replacing the type of window. It's not as important.

I can go back and look at our probably pull the nomination for what we did for this top dollar criteria.

Because this was landmarked years ago.

Yeah, before my time, I think.

I've been doing this for five years, and it's way before my time.

So the reason you're opposed to aluminum or vinyl is because that's...

It's not historic.

Well, there's a lot of things that aren't historic.

I mean, are you going to keep the front door looking the same with the mail slot and

I mean, I don't like vinyl.

I'll need to verify that. Yeah, I didn't see photos of...

According to the National Park Service... Is that what they recommend? They authorize alternative material, but it should be as close to the looks of the original as possible. And the only thing I've seen that really does it is composites. Some of the aluminum out today can look like wood, but you can tell it's aluminum. If you look at composite, you have to look closely to see it's composite and not wood. Because the composite can... You're going like this because you read the same thing I did.

So composite can mimic wood?

Yes. Because it's machined.

Just trying to clarify. Yeah.

Not a window expert. So alternative materials are authorized. However, they should be as close to the original as possible.

What do the original doors look like?

I don't have a picture of that. I don't know.

There's a photo of that? Of what? Of what it looked like in the 30s.

It would have to be the period of significance, too. So sometimes a building is built in. 1890. But the period of significance is not 1920 to 1950, and you have to match that period, not the very original.

Yeah, because this is, I think this is 1935 or something like that.

It's on the front of it.

Yeah.

Yeah, because we had a photo when we were looking at the bell tower in the back.

Yeah.

He pulled up a picture.

It was built in the 30s. It doesn't look anything like that today. No, it doesn't. It's completely different.

Yeah, so that was, I think, original or close to original. And then when it became a firehouse, that was when they blew out that. right-hand window and put in a little garage door.

Does that look like an old saloon? Yeah.

Bring it back to that.

Paint the sign.

Is that sided with wood or is it? That's definitely wood.

Yeah.

Yeah. And this was stuck over, though, and it was probably all that work was done before it was ever surveyed and landmarked.

Oh, it's the same building now.

I wish the doors looked a little more period appropriate. They don't. The French doors. Yeah.

And the front door, too, because it doesn't.

Mm-hmm.

So the windows, and if you're talking about the French door, that tacitly considers as a window. So we would want all, we would try to get all that as composite.

The original front door was a double French door, interestingly enough. So they could go back to something like that.

Oh, I see.

Which is pretty cool.

But the window on the left was smaller.

Yeah.

So, yeah, it couldn't. Unless they made two set of doors.

I just mean the French doors on the right. They can make that look.

Now, that actually looked, believe it or not, that actually looked composite to me.

These might be, yeah, maybe the French doors.

Or steel. Yeah.

Yeah. Definitely not aluminum or vinyl.

OK. So I can ask them.

We'll table this until next meeting.

Yeah. And maybe if he can be here next time and sort of walk through some of their considerations, because I'm just doing it second hand.

Who would it be?

This one was DJ. I don't know if you worked with DJ.

Yeah.

I mean, it may be worth some, if they have different options to just drop them in, it should be pretty easy to just cut it out and easily put it at least on the front. Yeah, something like, you know, just get a, then just go through the spec sheets and try to visualize it.

Yeah, yeah, because it's kind of hard to get a feel from the spec sheets, so.

And who does, what department is DJ?

He's in facilities, so he works, I don't remember if there's a hierarchy to it exactly, but he works with Chad Alexander, who's been here before with the other types of facilities projects. Yeah, I'm not exactly sure what. Thanks for checking on that. Yeah.

Probably full glass. Could be. What it would be. A storefront door.

From that period?

No, what they're proposing.

Oh, what they're proposing.

Hard to know, I guess, yeah, if there's like a little kick plate to it or if it's all glass.

Yeah, and then probably do some French. That door doesn't even look good. It looks like modern, made to look like. If you go around this side of the building, that's where it is. Period appropriate, but probably an original door.

That's correct.

Panel door, yeah. That's the one on the front. I think they just made it.

Would they benefit from tinting?

Or getting glass?

Because I thought they struggled with climate. I think they do.

Yeah, I think you're right. I think that was one of the main considerations as they're super, super drafty, especially the French doors, I think are really drafty. So I don't know. Yeah, maybe if the... Well, I'm sure they don't have...

Eating... The heating is probably from the 30s. Oh, it does have a chimney. Potbelly is still in the back. Cool. Well, yeah, I can have someone come back next month. Okay, guys. And is there anything else? Any new business? What about biscuit days?

Biscuit day is, as far as I know, is still on hold. It's probably not going to happen.

I don't want to say too much, but yeah, it may be back this year, but I don't want to put it out there.

The future is uncertain.

The future is uncertain, but it is being talked about with multiple organizations. Okay. And if it changes this year, that format is probably not how it would be going forward. Gotcha. Yeah, the problem is... Because it's too late to do it how it had been normally done.

Yeah, the issue is getting kitchens. Yeah. And it's not the location so much as logistics. Right. And that's the issue is the logistics of the gravy. I mean, I cooked a sausage behind all mine.

I rolled out rolls about 10 years ago.

Yeah, it's all frozen now. It's all frozen now.

It might be hot enough to just do like. Yeah.

Yeah. Set about on the sidewalk.

Because the biscuits and I don't even know if they're doing the link sausage anymore.

It was a sausage gravy.

Yeah, it was a sausage gravy and the biscuits were done at Black Jack.

Right. well we used to do the yeah we used yeah that's where we cooked the biscuits when we used to roll them and then and then we had to do testing to make sure that like because it was set for pizzas and what is it for the biscuits yeah yeah that was fun though yeah run those back and forth so anyway I've done both so yeah when I get a sense of what's going on mm-hmm

I would like to see it. A lot of people missed it.

Yeah.

Yeah. And you probably heard that.

Oh, yeah.

It is a huge event for the town of Erie and people look forward to it.

Yeah. We're going to hear it again this year.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was like, this town is awesome. Yeah.

Maybe I'll just have to make y'all some Southern biscuits. Yeah. Okay.

Hey, thanks guys. Thanks for the input on biscuit day. Even if it's tentatively going to, going to happen, that makes me feel better.

Yeah. But yeah.

And you know, it just, It just, I just, you know, it's the business owners that they say are against it because it takes up too much of breaks, but it brings in so many people.

I agree. Yeah.

So anyway, is there anything else? If not, I call this meeting adjourned. 40 minutes.