Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

Thank you.

To call the June 1st, 2026 meeting of the City of Elgin Planning and Zoning Commission to order. Can staff please call the roll?

Commissioner Abouali?

Yes.

Commissioner Bosque? Present. Commissioner Jones?

Here.

Commissioner Olson? Here. Commissioner Rubel?

Here.

And Chairman Wildermuhl? Here. We have four.

All right. We'll move on to approval of the May 4th, 2026 minutes. Do I have a motion to approve?

I move to approve.

Second. Can staff please call the roll?

Commissioner Jones?

Yes.

Commissioner Olson? Yes. Commissioner Abuali? Yes. Commissioner Bosque? Yes. Commissioner Vrubel? Yes. And Chairman Wildermuth? Yes. The minutes are approved 6-0.

All right. Thank you. So good evening, everyone. Welcome to the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting of June 1st, 2026. Tonight, we will be hearing petitions 36-25 and 37-25 and 06-26. BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE AGENDA, I JUST WANT TO GO OVER THE PROCESS FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING AND ALSO DISCUSS THE ROLE OF THE COMMISSION AND THE PROCEDURES. SO AS A REMINDER, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE JOB OF THE COMMISSION IS TO REVIEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS AND DETERMINE WHETHER A PROPOSAL MEETS THE APPLICABLE STANDARD OF REVIEW. uh the commission will first hear from city staff on each project and then we'll be allowed time to ask questions of city staff and then we'll invite the applicant to come forward and provide a brief overview of the proposal and then the commission will have the opportunity to ask questions of the applicant And then after that, we will open the hearing to the public for questions and comments. And during that period, please come forward, state your name and spell it, and then provide your address. And then public comment should be addressed to the commission. And we will be taking notes and keeping track of any questions that arise and allow staff or the applicant to respond to those questions if they so choose. um and then once we've heard from all parties the commission will then deliberate vote and then pass on that recommendation to city council and with this time we will move ahead on the agenda and those of you that wish to speak tonight should now stand and take the oath to testify so if you think you might be speaking tonight go ahead and stand up and take the oath

You raise your hands, please. Do soundly swear or affirm the testimony about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Thank you.

All right. The first order of business tonight is a application for conditional use petition 11-26 and look to staff to provide information regarding that petition.

Thank you, Chairman Wildermuth. As you came in, you found a brief memorandum from staff that was left from the dais for each commissioner. Staff is simply requesting that the petition 11-26 regarding 80 North State Street, that's the conditional use to establish an amusement and recreational service, more specifically the evil intentions haunted house. So staff is requesting that petition be continued to the next regularly scheduled meeting, which would be Monday, July 6th at 7 p.m. And that's simply to allow for more time for staff to review the last submitter, the latest submitter that was received from the applicant. You might have I noticed that we got a lot of documents on Friday, the 26th. We tried to finalize the report, and we did, but over the weekend, it became clear that other departments still had to review all those documents, and they need more time. That's really it.

Great. Thank you. Any questions from commissioners before we move on to the next item on the agenda? All right. With that, we will move up to petition 36-25 and 37-25. We do need a motion to continue.

That's fine.

Okay. Can I have a motion from the commission to continue petition 11-26?

I motion to continue petition 11-26. Is there a second?

I'll second.

Can staff please call the roll?

This is a motion to continue to the next meeting on July 6th at 7 p.m. Commissioner Bosque? Yes. Commissioner Abuali?

Yes.

Commissioner Jones? Yes. Commissioner Olson? Yes. Commissioner Rubel? Yes. And Chairman Wildermuth? Yes. Motion is approved 6-0. Great.

Thank you. We will now move on to petition 36-25 and 37-25.

Thank you, Chairman Wildermuth. All right. So the next item before you is the application by the Emanuel Church of Elgin, also known as the Larkin Avenue Baptist Church, is the applicant and property owner who is requesting approval of a map amendment and plan development as a conditional use with departures from the Elgin Municipal Code. To establish the property with the existing single-family residence located at 1172 Larkin Avenue as a separate zoning lot from the church property, with the rezoning from CF, Community Facility District, to RC2, Single-Family Residence District, all of this at the property that's known as 1152 to 1172 Larkin Avenue. As usual, we'll start with the general location of the subject property. This property outlined in yellow is about 1.25 acres. It's on the north side of Larkin Avenue as you can see between Melrose Avenue on the west and Aldine Avenue on the east. The property zone CF community facility district as its home to the Emanuel Church of Elgin. As you can see the properties to the north and south have this yellow shade over those are zoned RC to residents conservation district and they primarily include single family homes. The property to the east, directly to the east across Aldine is zoned NB, Neighborhood Business District. That's a vacant commercial property that was formerly a gas station and a repair shop. And then to the west across Melrose is the former Larkin Center. That's zoned PRB, Planned Residence Business, that is now home to several multifamily buildings. So the subject property on the top here is the bird's eye view looking to the north is improved the L-shaped church building that's got the address of 1152 Larkin Avenue. It also includes a one-story office building sort of administration building in the middle here with the address of 1158 Larkin Avenue. And then the church is Parsonage, which is the single-family residence here in the far west end with the address of 1172 Larkin Avenue. The property also has a surface parking lot in the back with 50 parking spaces. That parking lot has full access to Melrose Avenue and then a second access in the back of the church. It's a one-way access to Aldine Avenue. The single family residence has its own two-car detached garage but its own access to Melrose Avenue. So the church is proposing to establish the former church's parsonage, the single family residence on the property as its own standalone property. The the personage has been occupied by the church pastor since the 1990s, and the church is looking to sell the property to the pastor. Once the property sort of becomes its own standalone property, then it needs to be rezoned to residential zoning classification for that single family family residents to be in conformance with the zoning ordinance. So there that's why the applicant is requesting the approval of the rezoning of that part of the property. to RC2 Residence Conservation District. And that zoning classification would match the zoning across the street, which is also RC2. The general, the property lines between the church parcel and the single family residence parcel would follow the existing six foot high solid fence that is on the property. This resulting single family residence parcel would be 9,583 square feet and it would conform to all site design requirements for the RC2 district. The resulting church parcel, however, would not comply with the resulting site design requirements as this now would be the new property lines for that parcel. That parcel would be 45,738 square feet and requires couple departures from the site design requirements for the CF community facility district. That's the reason the church is requesting the approval of the plan development as a conditional use. Those departures are summarized here on the screen. The first one is the transition yard setback. There's a transition yard setback required between a CF zoned property, such as the church, and a residentially zoned property, RC2. So that setback is 51 feet. The existing shed that's on the property right here is about two and a half feet from that new lot line. And then the church building right here is about 31 and a half feet from that property line. In addition, there's a transitional landscape yard requirement, which is one half of the transition yard setback. That 26-foot transition yard landscape yard is required along the two new lot lines. Obviously, the church has improvements within those 26 feet. On the north side, there's the parking lot that is actually about 0.6 feet from that new lot line. And then, again, the existing shed is about 2.5 feet from that property line. That's really it. The applicant is not proposing any improvements to the church property or the single-family residence. We have our analysis of the standards for MAP amendments, so for the rezoning, as well as for the plan development and for the conditional use is in the packet. Staff finds that all applicable standards are satisfied and recommends approval subject to the conditions in the packet. With that, I'm happy to answer any questions. And the applicant's team is here as well. They can address the commission.

Thank you. I will start on my right with Commissioner Olson. Any questions for staff?

No questions for staff.

Commissioner Wally?

No questions.

Commissioner Jones?

No questions.

Commissioner Bosque? No questions. Commissioner Vrubel?

No questions.

I don't have any questions for staff. I will invite the applicant to come forward.

Good evening. Good evening. Yeah, my name is Doug Shufflow. I'm an attorney and I'm representing the Emanuel church. Uh, I have with me Richard Sander. He is the lead pastor and the resident of the house that is being discussed. Uh, and he will also subsequently be the buyer of that house from the church. Um, and we also have, uh, one of our trustees, Eliana Narvaez. nervez and uh... the deacon alidana spurlock are here in support i think staff explain pretty much what we're doing we have a campus and trying to separate the parsonage uh... this project is vital to the church uh... nonprofits are you know struggling financially uh... this frees up THE VALUE OF THAT PARSONAGE CAN BE PUT BACK INTO THE CHURCH. IT FACILITATES FUTURE PASTORS THAT NO LONGER WOULD WANT TO LIVE IN A PARSONAGE, MAY ALREADY HAVE THEIR OWN RESIDENCE AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO I THINK IT'S VITAL TO THE CHURCH AND ITS CONSISTENCE CONSISTENT WITH THE TRENDS IN CHURCHES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT. THE STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF DETAILING THE INTERACTION OF THE TWO ZONING CODES. THAT'S ALL DONE BY THEM. THE VARIATIONS ARE MINOR. SOME OF THEM MIGHT SEEM MAJOR, BUT IT'S JUST THE EXISTING PARKING LOT IS ALREADY RIGHT NEXT TO THIS to this house. The house itself has a large lot. There's all those similar residences north of the church property and then across the street to the south. So I don't think it's detrimental to the community. And this house was originally part of the neighborhood and not part of the church. But the church grew over time and acquired that house and added parking as well. Anything? No? Any questions? That's all I have.

»» Sounds good. I'll start on my left with Commissioner Verbal. Any questions?

Yeah, just one. So would you try to keep the house, the occupants, future occupants, would you try to have them be members of the church? Is that the plan?

We weren't planning to restrict the real estate in that sense. Clearly, if he chooses to sell in the future, he can contact the church, see if they have any interest. He's hoping to retire before too long and, and, but continue and stay active with the church and stay in the house.

Let me just say something about that. Um, I just retired. I'm, I was a bi-vocational pastor, meaning I had a full-time job. I retired from that last September. Um, and, uh, remain as, I guess you'd call it a part-time pastor at the church. It is a small congregation. Um, You know, we've lived in the house 30 years. If I had known I was going to stay at this church for 30 years, we would have bought a house a long time ago. But as I approach my retirement from my full-time job, I really don't see a point when I'm not going to be living in Elgin until Laird's comes to pick me up. But, no, seriously, I mean, my dad died in his home at 88. So, you know, we've We've become very involved. We've made a lot of friends here. I put on the red suit and do a lot of things in the city for Christmas. So this is my home. I can't tell you what I'm going to be doing, obviously, health-wise, but I have no intentions of, you know, this is home for a while anyway.

I was just curious why it was suddenly getting divided, but also I just wanted to make sure that there was no issue with that lot line and the parking lot for future. But this sounds great. I have no further questions. Thank you.

Commissioner Buskay?

I also had a question as to why it was being divided after all these years, but you perfectly explained why. WE LOVE HAVING PEOPLE LIKE YOU IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES OUR COMMUNITY GREAT.

COMMISSIONER JONES?

NO QUESTIONS. AGREE.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER OBALE?

JUST BRINGING UP THAT LOT LINE THING, I'M HAPPY THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT PREVIOUS TO THE PASTOR LIVING THERE, IT WAS CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL, IT WAS SEPARATE FROM THE CHURCH, BUT THAT PARKING LOT WAS NOT THERE IN THAT FORM, RIGHT?

No.

No, it was not.

Well, it was gravel.

Okay.

It went paved in, I believe it was 1999. So I'm not sure exactly about lot lines between the house and the church at that point.

Yeah. All right. And, of course, like you mentioned, it doesn't seem to be a detriment to the community, but maybe resale in the future, maybe issues like that. Is that something you've considered and are taking any kind of precautions on?

Not really, to be honest with you. Perhaps we should have. Like I said, in my mind, I'm going to be there for a long time. Let my kids deal with it after I die, I guess. I don't know. I'm sorry.

No, it's okay. In my mind, it's how long will this property be potentially vacant for the city of Elgin. Oh, I see. I see. I understand that. We don't want you to go anywhere. I understand that. Yeah, just the thought.

I understand. That's a good point. Yeah.

I mean, I think it could have a resale value question. You know, somebody's going to want to. be close to the church and you might not get top dollar because of that. Unless you're surrounded by single family residents, you're not going to get top dollar. But they don't interact at all. There's a privacy fence between the residence and the parking lot. It's about three feet. That's a very common situation through that part of town, the old part of town. So The church campus if you call it that you know it started with the church, and then they added on Over a period of time, so I don't have that Like I couldn't lay out when they bought the various parcels And that's considered the side of the house correct where it's butted up to the parking lot The north is the garage Okay, so that that's

Rectangular to the north of that is the garage. That will be the rear yard. That will be the front door, yes.

What's that? That will be the rear yard, rear property.

It is the rear. All right. So they just put a fence on the side of it then?

On the east side. Okay. And then along the north side up until the garage. There's a strip of land about six feet wide there.

Okay. Okay. And you mentioned three feet from the house. I thought I read something that said it was less than a foot. Is that the shed or is that?

So what he's referring to is the distance between the garage and the parking lot is about three plus. The property line will be about 0.6 feet from the property line to the parking lot.

Okay. Okay. No more questions.

Commissioner Olson?

No additional questions. Just want to make a comment that the house is always well-maintained. It looks great, so no concerns with that.

Thank you. No questions from me. I think it makes sense about what you said from making sure that you've got the house separate from the church in terms of a financial situation, so it makes sense to me. With that, I think thank you so much. We'll appreciate it. And at this point, we will open up the petition to the public for any public comments. So if there's any members in the audience that wish to say anything regarding this petition, please come forward. All right, seeing no public comment, I will close this part of the hearing and look to staff for any closing comments.

I don't have anything further to add. Staff recommends approval subject to the conditions in the packet.

Is there a motion from the commission?

I move to recommend that city council approve petition 36-25 and 37-25 subject conditions outlined within our packet and to adopt as the findings of the commission those findings also provided within our packet.

Second. And just one item discussion. Was there proof of proper notice?

Yes, we have. Thank you very much.

Thanks. With that, I'll ask that staff please call the roll.

Commissioner Olson. Yes. Commissioner Bosque. Yes. Commissioner Aboali.

Yes.

Commissioner Jones.

Yes.

Commissioner Rubel.

Yes.

And Chairman Wildermuth.

Yes.

The motion is approved 6-0.

Thank you. All right. We will now move on to petition 06-26. Before you do that, thanks to the previous petitioner. Thanks for coming. If you want to head out, go ahead and do that. You can continue working with staff for our next steps. Appreciate it.

Okay. Thank you, Chairman Wildermuth. And the second petition before you. And we have provided the required notices in this one. So this is the application by Wayside Cross Ministries as applicant and Wayside Cross Ministries title holding company as property owner. We're requesting approval of one. A plan development as a conditional use that incorporates and amends ordinance number G109-06 and grants departures from the eligible municipal code. And two, conditional uses to expand the existing emergency shelter and to establish a transitional housing facility all within the existing light industrial building commonly referred to as 1730 to 1740 Berkeley Street. So we'll again start with the general location of the subject property. This is a 1.17-acre property that is owned GI General Industrial. It is on the north side of Berkeley Street, about 670 feet or so east of 2nd Street. This is in the southwestern industrial park of the city. As you can see, all surrounding properties have sort of a light purple shade over them. The properties to the west, east, and to the south are GI or PGI industrial districts, whereas the properties to the north are CI, commercial industrial district. To the north are several one-story light industrial buildings, primarily with the special trade contractors. To the south is a 246,000 square foot building that is home to a packaging wholesaler. To the east is a one-story multi-tenant light industrial building that shares full access to Berkeley with the subject property. And then to the west is the trucking terminal by R&L Carriers. So here's a bird's eye view looking west. So the subject property is improved with one one-story approximately 21,000 square foot light industrial building. It has multiple tenants and tenant spaces and it also includes 40 parking spaces generally on the side and in the back of the building. The property has like I said one full access driveway that is shared with the property to the east and then there's a second uh access driveway that's on the west side of the building that's generally a one-way access to berkeley so in 2006 the city approved by ordinance g109-06 the establishment of an emergency shelter within the units a and b of this property of this building and that emergency shelter was subsequently established in 2007. This is the unit A and then the unit B. Over the years, Wayside joined PADS and so they now together operate this shelter. The shelter was recently sort of split. PADS services 30 people and then wayside primarily pad services primarily overnight up to 30 individuals and then wayside provides primarily daytime services for up to 30 individuals so that shelter for up to 60 persons was approved in 2006. Recently, both Wayside and PADS acquired additional tenant spaces. Wayside acquired this unit C and they use it for storage. And PADS similarly acquired this unit F that is also used as a separate tenant space for general warehousing and storage. two other tenants spaces are in the building one is already vacant the other one the tenant the turn the lease expires at the end of august so pads and wayside are now requesting approval to expand within the entire building the services and then to service up to 180 persons 118 persons instead of 60. So this is a proposed expansion. The on the left is the phase one expansion. So pads would generally stay within their units A and F and provide services for up to 40, I believe 40 people. This is the, yes, in the A and F. They would continue to have eight staff members and, excuse me, it was up to 48 individuals. This space is approximately 8,185 square feet. They would continue to provide primarily overnight services. However, they would also provide some daytime services coordinating with other area nonprofit agencies that help people that experience homelessness. Wayside would stay within the rear portion of the building. They would occupy the remainder of the building. That's about 12,943 square feet. And they would establish what's known as a transitional housing facility up to 70 persons. Total is 70 plus the 48 for pads would be 118 persons. This wayside facility would be similar to the facility that they operate in Aurora. It simply provides housing and residential recovery program that is a five step program that they can provide more details about. But it's for both men and women. Individuals have to be admitted to the program and they generally reside here in dorm style living quarters. They have a variety of programs, job training, counseling services and sort of spiritual and motivational support. PADS would have 10 professional staff members and up to three what they call resident assistants. These are individuals that have gone through the program and are in the later stages of the program where they're actually serving as employees of the facility. You may recall that Wayside petitioned the city to establish this transitional housing facility at 890 North State Street that was approved by the city council in December of last year. However, after that approval, they were not able to come to terms with the owner of that property and they had to forego on that initiative. So they switched back to this facility. Wayside actually owns the entire building. So the Phase 1 improvements would be primarily on the interior of the building except for closing off several overhead garage doors on the north side, on the east side of the building. That would open up additional space for parking. They would increase the number of parking spaces from 40 to 44. And then they would also construct a refuse collection area in the back. Phase two in the future would include construction of two additions, one in the front about 600 square feet for pads that would provide additional support areas and then one in the back for wayside that would be about 1500 square feet that would be the donation collection center. So the proposal, so here's a proposed elevation that generally shows the infill of the overhead garage doors that would be filled in with masonry that would match the exterior of the existing building. And then here's the floor plan that generally shows This is the front on the left side and in the back for our wayside. This area in the front before the addition is constructed would be used for outdoor playground equipment for children as bad services some families with children. That location is one of the departures needed by this proposal. That's the location of the playground equipment. It's only allowed in the rear yards. They're obviously proposing that in the front. The other two departures that are needed, the first one is the setback. So the existing building is about 20 feet from the front property line. The addition would match that same setback of 20.7 feet where 25 is required. So that's the one departure. And then finally, the number of parking spaces is based on the number of beds. with 118 persons that's their this type of facilities required one parking space for two beds and then plus one per employee that leads to a total of 77 parking spaces required they would have only 44 on site staff is comfortable with this request because individuals that come to these facilities generally do not own personal vehicles so it's generally just the parking needs are for staff members and sort of random volunteers every so often. So the 44 parking spaces can more than satisfy the needs of the facility. The request needs to meet the standards for planned developments and standards for conditional use. Our overview of the standards is in the packet and staff recommends approval subject to the conditions in the packet. I believe there's one condition worth mentioning and that's that no outdoor storage of any kind would be permitted. And the applicant is not proposing any. And I believe that's the only condition worth noting. With that, I'm happy to answer any questions.

All right. Thank you. I'll start with Commissioner Vrubel. Any questions for staff?

No questions.

Commissioner Busque?

No questions.

Commissioner Jones?

I don't know if you know this, how does this compliment or work together with the city's program with the homelessness and the Lexington motel? I know they're trying to buy that. Is that working in conjunction with some of our not-for-profits? What does that relationship look like?

I suspect that those are two separate initiatives, but maybe the applicant can provide some answers that I really don't know. Okay, thank you. You're welcome.

Commissioner Bali?

No questions.

Commissioner Olson?

No questions.

All right. WITH THAT, I WILL INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND PROVIDE US YOUR THOUGHTS OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS DAVE KRIEGER. I'M THE DIRECTOR. SO I'LL TRY TO ANSWER ANY PROGRAMMATIC QUESTIONS AND THEN WE HAVE TWO OTHER INDIVIDUALS HERE.

I'M STEVE WISE. I LIVE IN ELGIN AND I'M THE ALL THE BUILDINGS. Control of all the buildings, so general manager.

My name is Marcin Skrzynski. I'm with Silver Architects. I helped the wayside to come up with these ugly drawings. That was a joke.

Yeah, let me just say this. We appreciate the Commission and City Council, and I know you folks have worked with us for years, and we're thankful for all the approvals that you've done in the past. As Damir mentioned, things did not work out with the building on State Street. So once we knew our two additional tenants that are at the end of the building were going to vacate, that provided an opportunity for us. So we also have a representative here from PADS, if you have any questions. And so we do work hand in hand with pads. We have a spiritual component. They have other components, but we do kind of the same thing for the most part. They have women and children. Right now we're operating with men only. We have, as Damir mentioned, a five-step program. Basically, it's basically phases, five phases. The first three phases are really a program where when those phases are up, they essentially graduate, but they can stay on board and work. We also, here, unlike in our Aurora facility, we have a part-time work program for the gentlemen that are there as well. So our program, at least for Wayside, We like to call it a life transformation program. And we have guys there that have all sorts of issues and problems. We are separate from the issue that was mentioned was a good question about the Lexington Hotel. We know some of the folks that are over there at the Lexington. They might have been with us. If you remember, we were at Fremont Street and we had a day program and now we have an overnight program. So we have a different kind of structure and a different kind of operation. But we are seeing an increase. So we started overnight last basically December, and lately we noticed things are picking up. So we're at about 66% occupancy based on the 30 beds, and so that's why we're looking for this opportunity to expand on the wayside side with another 40, giving us 70, and I believe another 18 on the pad side, giving you 48. So that'll increase things significantly. And part of the plans also call for a more extensive kitchen area because we'll be feeding a lot more people. So if you have any questions or if you want to hear from concerning the facility.

Sounds good. Commissioner Jones, I'll give it to you first.

So those are completely separate issues. The Elgin, the city's program and housing. Exactly.

Yes.

I guess I'm under the impression you guys all work collaboratively for meeting those needs of the unsheltered.

Well, in a sense we are in that there's a couple of task force out there. I know there's a homeless task force that meets. They have a Zoom call. Every so often we do talk and, you know, trying to see what's going on. The challenge for us and maybe for PADS as well is our program is very structured. So there are a lot more for lack of a better term restrictions, uh, things that we put in place to help these folks move on from their current situation. So some folks are not interested in coming on board. The ones that we do have are committed to what they're doing. and if they don't like what we're doing basically they can move on we're not a prison or anything like that but we're finding we have a good group of gentlemen there at least on the wayside side and they've accepted that kind of break off from their current situation so they can't really connect with all those elements that we believe cause their downfall so not to say the lexington program isn't good but it's different they have a little more we have a little more leverage than they do. I hope that makes sense.

Yeah, absolutely. I really admired all your programs that you brought before us. The one on State Street, I'm sorry to hear that didn't go through. I thought that was really awesome what you guys were looking to do. So I'm thrilled that you're continuing with the venture.

Thank you for all the work you did on that to get us there.

I hope it comes to fruition for you guys because it's really, really needed in the city of Elgin. So thank you for your work.

Commissioner Busque.

I guess the question I have is what happens to the 119th gentleman that comes in? You have room for 118.

What is the extra?

Yeah.

An extra person. Right.

When you're at capacity, what's the plan?

He's asking what if you get an extra person waiting list.

Oh, yeah, it would be a waiting list. So although keep in mind, too, we also are part of the larger Enterprise Wayside Cross. They have 90 more beds over there. So I'm sorry. Yes, in Aurora. I'm sorry. So if they have beds open, we'll send folks over there as well. So we can only hope we're going to fill up with 118. And who knows, maybe there'll be an opportunity to expand even further somehow. But right now, We're just trying to fill those 118 beds, which includes pads as well. I hope that answered your question. Sorry.

Yeah, it did. Thank you for everything you guys did. Just one thought. Originally, it was meant for the Elgin facility, which was a day center, only to be a feeder to the full program in downtown Aurora, which is a full seven month to two year program. And so, uh, you know, we, we don't, uh, we don't, it makes, it doesn't make any sense to have someone go through a seven month program and graduate. And then we say goodbye, you know, so we allow them to stay up to two years and we're finding them housing and jobs. And these are the things that we transitioned, but people back into society. And, and, um, so, um, but now Elgin will be, uh, less of a feeder to us.

And we're hoping to do the same thing. If we have the beds, they can stay on. So this work program we have, they can work part-time. Starting the second month, they're there. But once they reach the seventh month and they go into the fourth phase, they can work full-time. If we have the beds, they can stay there. The other thing that's good about our location is our program manager is here, Marcado. He and I went over to ECC. And they have, of course, a homeless initiative there. And so we're already trying to connect with those folks. I know PADS does similar things, see if they can provide GED training, training for other skills and sets. And so that's a real benefit for us being where we are now. I appreciate everything you guys are doing.

Commissioner Rubel.

Hi, I just have a couple questions regarding the plan here. So the 1,500 square foot addition, that's just for donations. Do you have any plans for a resale shop like you did over on the state, or is that possible?

Basically, that's the main program for the donation, but it will be based on the need at the given moment. Perspective for putting that donation is pretty vague at this moment. It's just kind of we want to secure this at the one process. We will be not going to the phase one with this addition in mind exactly what's going to happen there. From what I saw, given that they're enclosing the walls right now with their program, they may actually need to expand the dining area or training area. So that addition may be splitting three functions there. And the donation drop off will be as a location, indoor only, and probably move to the larger warehouses they have in Aurora, so it will be not a permanent storage. It will be just a point to receive that and sort it out and move on.

I was just curious if you were going to have a store or not, like you planned.

The little thrift store? Yeah, we don't have any plans for a store on this site. Okay, I have another question. We have two resale stores in Aurora. Oh, you do?

Okay.

I don't think it's not attractive for store location people will not travel there too slow.

You never know. Drifters will go anywhere. So another question. So as far as the playground, would that be, is that going to be, there's like a fenced in area now. Is that going to be behind the fence or?

That patio area here. Okay. It's already fenced. Okay, good. And that's one of the scenarios when we were planning for that with the early on with Pat, the rector, she said that she would like to see this filled in with something more useful than just a patio.

Sure. My concern was just with the children and it being on the street side playing, I'm glad that it's fenced in.

Yeah, if that will be a scenario that they decide to go with the playground, then of course it will be fenced and access from interior only. And There are other ideas for that addition if this happened. At this time, at the time of this planning, PADS didn't declare any funds for this. So, again, it's a scenario just of securing that eventually in the future.

Okay. Other than that, I just do want to reiterate that I am really sorry that that deal fell through because I was looking forward to seeing that.

And they had the restore right next to it. Yes.

Yes. Yes. That would have been nice. Well, thank you. Commissioner Bali.

You are jumping from 30 to 70 residents. It's quite a jump. I mean, the unhoused female population in the Elgin area is also increasing. Has there been any discussions about potentially making it Both.

So we have a section in the middle that right now it says women's dorm. So we are looking at that. There are some challenges there. Staffing also kind of separating the men from the women. But it's there. I can tell you this. When we were over at Fremont Street, we struggled to get maybe five to seven women there. It's mostly men. So part of the problem is if we have five to seven women, we have to staff that separately. So our staff that are on board that work with us on the men's side, they can't do that as well. So it's there. We're looking at it. We just have to deal with those challenges. Sorry, I'm looking at you and you're, sorry. It's okay. I'm a commissioner.

You could look at any of us. But that actually, that's all I wanted to know is that there was some consideration to it.

Yeah, it's definitely a consideration. And on the plan, I know it's small, you can't see it, but one of the plans it shows a section that says women with their own.

And in Aurora there is?

Aurora has a whole separate building about a mile away from our main building. And it's called LifeSpring and they have women and children there. I think they have 18 or 20 actual apartment units. So that's the other thing. If women approach us, even now, we try to route them over there. And, of course, they can go to PANS. I don't know what the capacity is there. And children as well. Yes. Okay, good.

Thank you.

Sure.

Commissioner Olsen.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED COMMITMENT.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. JUST TO CLARIFY. IS PADS A TENANT IN THE WAYSIDE BUILDING? AND THEN I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT IS THE LEASE LENGTH OF of the length of PADS lease. I guess my line of questioning comes in approving this, just ensuring that there's continuity that one day maybe PADS finds another location or something and decides to relocate and just how that kind of is playing out.

Well, PADS is about, what are you, about eight months into a year in? Yeah, because wasn't it August? Maybe it was August. Yeah, something like that. So they're pushing a year into a five-year lease.

Okay.

I mean, that was our intention was to keep them. We want to work together. And so that's why we extended a five-year lease. We could have thought, well, you know, if pads would leave, then we'll expand. If that happens in the future, then we will expand into that spot, into their existing allowance. Yeah. But we have no intention of that.

No, it's great to see. I'm a big proponent of the co-location of services and making sure that those wraparound services are available and the appropriate care is provided in the appropriate setting. So I really appreciate that. That's all the questions I have.

All right. Well, thank you very much.

Appreciate you coming and sharing your overview of the project. At this point I will open up the petition to public comment. Is there any members of the comment that wish to provide me testimony? All right seeing none I will close the public comment portion and look to staff for any final comments No other final comments that recommends approval subject conditions.

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Is there a motion from the Commission?

I move to recommend the City Council approve Petition 07-26, subject to the conditions outlined within our packet, and to adopt as the findings of the Commission those findings also within our packet. Second.

Can staff please call the roll?

Commissioner Albali?

Yes.

Commissioner Jones?

Yes.

Commissioner Bosque?

Yes.

Commissioner Olson? Yes. Commissioner Rubel? Yes. And Chairman Wildermuth?

Yes. The motion is approved 6-0. Great. Well, thank you for coming tonight, and please continue working with staff on the application, and we look forward to everything. Have a great night. All right. Next item on the agenda is other business. Any other business for the commission?

Not from staff.

All right. Any other business from the members of the commission? All right. Seeing none. Sorry. Go ahead. Commissioner Jones.

At the last meeting, I had asked about some of those properties that seem a little not as favorable on 31 when we approved that petition. And somebody did reach out from the city and let me know that they've hired a new code enforcement. And so I just want to thank you for that. but I also just want to say, you know, in our Elgin, I hope that Elgin is not using that code enforcement as a weaponizing form of enforcement. I hope it's, um, uh, a helpful tool and, you know, a useful tool in toolbox. I hope that those code enforcement officers are going out there with every opportunity that, uh, financing funding grants, whatever that our city has available to those businesses and those places that they're visiting. Cause, I think sometimes that part gets missed and it comes back in a negative fashion rather than we want to lift you up and make you a better part of this neighborhood. So I'm just throwing that out there that I want to make sure it's being used as a tool, not a weapon. Thank you very much.

You're welcome. Any other business from the commission? Okay. With that, we will now move on to public comment. Seeing none, we'll look to staff for a summary of pending development applications.

Let's see. Just an update on the quick trip application over in McLean and Fleetwood. That petition was supposed to be went through council for consideration, received approval. the last second vote before the last meeting the requested to be pulled from the final council consideration that would grant them the final zoning approval there uh... finalizing some engineering uh... documentation and studies and plans so they uh they're investigating the storm water issues so hopefully those will be ironed out in fairly soon and and they can get the final zoning approval of that but that that's why the one that project is under a council sort of waiting council final council action aside from that i'll point out we have um an application by seven brew to locate on the vacant parcel on summit that is actually zoned residential so we gotta rezone that property um and i believe that's it that is worth pointing out unless there's any other questions yes mr rule

I just thought of something. So I went by that beef is a fee filler on the one that we approved variants for the dumpster enclosure. Yes. How long did they get for that? I didn't see the enclosure. I wanted to go by. I was just driving by, and I saw the dumpster sitting out there, and I thought, oh, that's why it was a good idea to get the enclosure.

Yes. Well, so they, again, this is one of the things where code enforcement works with the individual businesses to give them additional time to secure financing, to find proper contractors, to get the work done in a timely manner rather than issuing fines and sending them to court. But We've had challenges to get that into compliance, and we're working on that. I know it will be done. I think they just recently applied for the permit, but we're working on it. Okay. Curious. Thank you.

Since you mentioned gas station. I know there's probably no response, but that one, there's nothing at all on, no.

Yeah, same thing, they're having, you know, they can't find financing, they can't figure it out, so. It's unfortunate, I mean, you guys have seen a lot of these businesses come through here, and we kind of get them through the approval process, but then ultimately it's up to the business to make ends meet and ultimately propose something, so we just kind of have to wait and see.

I'll ask one more question about the Hindu temple and townhomes.

Yeah, no news on that either. My assumption is that they're working through the courts.

I was going to see if you had any update on the court process.

I'll put it on my list to get some response from them if they're willing to share. Yeah. And I'll provide an update if I get anything, so.

Any other questions regarding pending development applications? Yes, Commissioner Rubel.

This doesn't have to do with anything, really. But I'm just wondering, that housing bill, so it stalled over the weekend. Just wanted to say that.

That's true. We'll see what happens in the fall session.

Yeah, we'll see.

All right. With that, um, we will, uh, let's have a motion to adjourn. I move to adjourn. Second. Second. Staff, please call the roll.

Commissioner Jones.

Yes.

Commissioner of Bali.

Yeah.

Commissioner Bosque.

Yeah.

Commissioner Olson. Yes. Commissioner Rubel. Yes. And chairman. Yes. Motion's approved. Roger.

Thank you.