Plan Commission - Regular Meeting

Good afternoon and welcome to the June 4th meeting of the city plan Commission My name is Lisa Madillo chair co-chair of the Commission and I call this meeting to order at 1 30 p.m. I Sorry, I'm not sure who ended up with the. Yes, there you go. I can go ahead and have you read.

Statements of the public. The City Plans Commission has stolen final approval authority over subdivision maps, which is statutorily limited to a ministerial examination of the applications conformance to all applicable code provisions. The staff report for an agenda item may include conditions, exceptions, or modifications. The commission may approve an item with all staff report conditions, exceptions, or modifications, including additional measures regarding the item as imposed by the commission. Otherwise, the staff report with all modifications, exceptions, and conditions is approved and the applicant shall comply with all provisions of the staff report. Commissioners will consider all agenda items other than subdivision items in the form of a public hearing. The normal process is as follows. First, the commission will hear the staff report, followed by a statement from the applicant. Then members of the public may speak, followed by a final statement from the applicant. Finally, the matter will be closed for further discussion or a motion among the commission. The commission shall then make a recommendation that will be forwarded to the city council.

Thank you. Mr. Sabona, do we have any changes to the agenda today?

There's no changes to the agenda for today.

Thank you Can I get a motion No changes, okay. Thank you Okay, this is a public meeting the Is there anybody on the line who would like to speak on any of the agenda items? It is star six to unmute. Star six for anybody on the line?

Madam Chair, this is for items that are not on the agenda.

Not on the agenda, sorry. No. We'll move on. And we have approval of the minutes.

Motion to approve.

Second that motion.

Thank you.

Yeah, if I might, Madam Chair. So there's two items on consent. One is the minutes and then there's one case in there. So you might, you can take obviously both together on their consent or if you all decide to take them separate.

I'll take a motion for both or separate.

It's a motion for consent and for the minutes for May 21st, is that correct? Okay, I'll motion for the minutes and the consent for May 21st.

So again, for clarification, there's two items under consent. One is the first item, minutes for May 21st, 2026. And the second item is a risk subdivision final application.

Okay, we'll go ahead and take those separate then. If I can get a motion for the approval of the minutes.

You already have one.

I'm gonna have a second for that as well.

Second on that motion.

Okay, sorry about that. Okay, so we'll move on to item number two.

We need a vote on it.

Okay, sorry, can I get a vote for that? All in favor?

Aye.

Thank you, motion passes. Thank you, sorry about that. Okay, item number two.

Move to approve.

Second in favor. I'm sorry second all in favor aye.

Thank you Thank you. Sorry about that.

Okay, we'll move on to item number three and

Good afternoon, Chair and members of the Commission. Mirna Aguilar with Planning and Inspections. Item number three on the agenda is Sarita Lane subdivision, involving a major combination application. This development is in the extraterritorial jurisdiction of the city of El Paso, and it's located south of Canutillo-La Union Avenue and west of Strahan Road. The applicant is proposing to subdivide 21.11 acres of land to create five single-family lots, which will range between 1.87 acres and 12.98 acres in size. Stormwater drainage will be managed by on-site ponding. The applicant is dedicated 10 feet of right-of-way along Morrill Road to accommodate future infrastructure improvements, and this development is being reviewed under the current subdivision code. Here we have the preliminary plan. Here we have the final plan. the applicant is requesting the following exception from the city plan commission and that is to waive the dedication and construction of five feet of addition right away along moral road here we have the required and proposed cross sections these pictures illustrate the current conditions along moral road The request to wait five feet of additional right-of-way is supported by staff and has been approved by El Paso County as it meets the minimum street requirements. And with that, staff recommends approval of Sarita Lane subdivision on a major combination basis and approval of the exception request. And that concludes my presentation. Thank you. Any questions for Ms. Aguilar?

through the chair and say that um on the side of morel road i saw that they're going to have sidewalks am i correct and then proportionally yes they're proposing a five foot sidewalk thank you any other questions can we hear from the applicant

Hello, Enrique Ella with CAD Consulting, and we agree with all staff comments.

Thank you. Any questions for the applicant? Can I get a motion?

Motion to approve. I'll second that motion.

All in favor?

Aye.

Thank you. Item number four.

Good afternoon, Chair and members of the Commission. Alonso Hernandez with Planning and Inspections. Item number four on the agenda is Sadova Logistics Subdivision, involving a major combination application. This development is located outside of the city of El Paso limits in the extraterritorial jurisdiction. It is located north of Pelicano Drive and east of Joe Barrow Boulevard. Primary access to the subdivision will be from Pelicano Drive via an existing 24-axis easement. Here is a subdivision superimposed on the area map, and the applicant is proposing to subdivide 9.98 acres into two commercial lots of 4.99 acres each. The owner is also dedicating 42 feet of additional right-of-way for the future construction of Sevalia Avenue. Stormwater will be managed through on-site ponding, and this development is being reviewed under the current subdivision code. This is a preliminary plot. This is a final plot. And the applicant is requesting the following exceptions from the City Plan Commission. Number one, to allow the block one to have a block perimeter in excess of 2,400 feet and to waive the construction of all improvements for Sevalia Avenue. This is a street cross section for the future street extension of Sevalia Avenue. And these are the existing conditions for Sevalia Avenue. And these are the existing conditions for the portion of the street that has no improvements. These are the existing conditions for the access easement. And the exception request to waive the construction of all improvements for Sevalia Avenue meets the criteria under the El Paso City Code Title 19. And the exception request to allow the block perimeter to exceed 2,400 feet meets the criteria under the El Paso City Code Title 19 as well. With this, staff recommends approval of Sadova logistics subdivision on a major combination basis and approval of the exceptions requests. And this concludes the presentation, thank you.

Thank you. Any questions for Mr. Hernandez?

None for me.

Can we hear from the applicant?

Good afternoon. Luis Gutierrez from G3 Engineering. I'm the representative of REL Engineering. We concur.

Thank you. Any questions for the applicant?

I do. That slide that was shown with the homes is what, about two or three blocks away?

I'm sorry?

The slide that was shown with the houses.

Which one will be?

That one, right? You passed it. That one right there. That's the Valley Road.

Yes.

Correct. Eventually, the city's gonna keep going to where you're, right?

Oh, that's correct.

That's correct. Okay. And there's no, right now, we don't know when the city's gonna do that.

Actually, that's in the El Paso County. And the El Paso County is, right now, it's taking that right away. to in the future improve that road.

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Any other questions?

Thank you.

Can I get a motion?

Motion approved based on the city's recommendation. Second.

All in favor?

Aye. Aye.

Aye. Thank you.

Okay.

So the next item, we have our real estate department here. So they're gonna have a presentation. Wanted to bring this item. So I think in the past, the City Planning Commission has seen multiple city projects and there has been efforts from the city to kind of try and clean up properties that the city owns so projects can move forward. So we have this presentation from them that they're gonna go ahead and do right now.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Chair, members of the committee. My name is Mary Lou Espinosa. I am the Capital Assets Manager for the Real Estate Division here with the City of El Paso. Today's presentation, as was just noted, was to bring before you a little bit of information about what we do, how we do it, and then some of the items that will be coming forward for you guys to review. So a little bit about what we do. The city of El Paso's real estate division is what oversees about 5,300 records that are in the name of the city of El Paso. Obviously, we're not the only division that handles real estate-related transactions, so you've got El Paso International Airport that handles some of theirs. We handle some, and then El Paso Water has some properties that are in the name of the city but are managed by EP Water. The map that you see there on the left side of this slide is all of the red. is what is in the name of the city of El Paso, according to the Central Appraisal District. Somewhat in the center, you see that pinkish highlighted area, and that's what the El Paso International Airport team handles. So the types of transactions that we handle here at Real Estate, we handle purchase and sale agreements, lease agreements, short-term access agreements, and easement agreements. And again, as we mentioned earlier, the items that are going to be brought forward to CPC will be typically administrative in nature, and they're intended to align city-owned properties with current planning, zoning, and infrastructure needs. It's part of a greater property cleanup. So some of the items that we'll be bringing forward are either plats, replats, and or dedications and vacations of streets. So to give you a little bit of an example of what we're dealing with, we'd like to show you Billy Rogers Arroyo. So Billy Rogers Arroyo, when city council looked at this property, their desire was to maintain the area as open space. At some point in the very near future, you're going to see an application from us to replant this area, and this will formally dedicate the area as permanent open space. If you look at the map itself, though, you do have some streets there that need to be vacated, so that area in blue there. There's numerous paper streets that are on there, and we need to correct zoning setbacks for the existing tennis club building that is there. So there are no current proposed improvements, and the natural environment will remain untouched, but this is a really quick example of what we're going to be bringing. We'll have more information for you on the day that we bring this item forward. So very similar to this, you will be seeing other items regarding parks, streets that need to be vacated, streets that need to be dedicated, and so forth. So how do you get a hold of us? Should you have any additional questions or have any additional needs for members of the public? We do have our real estate website, which is at elpasotexas.gov forward slash real dash estate. And if you go there, you're going to find some property listings. I know that that's been a big issue at times that folks ask us, how do we see what is available to purchase at the city of El Paso? If you click that first button where the hand is on the right-hand side, it'll give you the property listings. and then down below, it will give you the ability to enter in an application for any one of the numerous transactions that we just mentioned in the previous slide. With that, here's where we're located. We're at the 200 North Kansas Building. There's our email address and our direct phone number, and I am open for any questions at this time.

Yes, of course.

Well, thank you very much for coming, and I have asthma today, so... and thank you for coming because I'm a commercial broker and in numerous occasion I try to call your department and they don't want to talk to me okay I think this is not productive so I just want to mention that they refer me to to a broker and it's hard to get a hold of him so so uh also uh you guys are not willing to pay other brokers for selling the property i'll leave your broker and i think that's not productive because you don't get more offers so i wanted to bring that to your attention

So if I may, Madam Chair, a couple of things. The phone number that is listed there is our main number. If a property is listed that has been handed off by contract to our broker, and as such, we've got to step back. So the dealings from then on need to go through the broker, which is why you're being referred there. If the broker isn't answering you, then we need to address that, and we will certainly get ahold of him and make sure that he's answering your questions.

Okay, but to tell you what happened is, if I don't get paid for my service, I can work for the city into selling the properties. So there's no compensation for other brokers in helping the city into sell these properties. That's all I'm saying.

If you look at the agreement that we have with the broker, it'll show you that the broker ended up submitting an application for gross commission. Have you had a chance to take a look at it? The gross commission basically means that our broker has the ability to pay commission to another broker. So the city does not get involved in that. That's how the on-call was set up. So that negotiation, you may wanna talk to Anibal Olague and see how he negotiates that. But by contract, we have paid broker commissions on both sides through our on-call.

What about the properties that are not listed? How come you won't talk to other brokers about those properties?

I'm not following. Like to buy it? Yes. So the city right now is not acquiring properties at this time?

properties are abandoned. And I have called to try to buy them, and they're not listed, and I cannot talk to anyone.

Got it, got it. Okay, so the properties that are not listed is because council has not designated them yet as surplus properties, and as such, we're not allowed to act on them. These properties are being taken to city council first, letting them give us a decision and a determination and a direction as to whether or not we are going to list them and or we need them for other purposes. So the only ones that are for sale right now are the ones that are listed.

My point, and I'm not criticizing you, is if all the broker community can help partner up with you to bring good deals to the city that are good for the city, you guys should be open to listening what is it that we have to bring to the table, and maybe it can be sold. It might be something that you guys could lease. or it might not be good for the city but at least if we can talk to somebody and that person can tell us no this is not good or we don't want to sell the rig got plans for that we understand and we would back up but I don't see that communication channels open with all due respect okay maybe it's not you as somebody else that won't talk to me And again, I'm a local broker, and I do moves, a bit of real estate, so I think I might be able to bring a good deal to the city, or maybe not a good deal. But if somebody can tell me, okay, this is not gonna fly Juan, or I'm gonna give it to my broker so he can talk to you, that would be great.

So I hope that you can recognize, member, that in order for the city to sell properties, we have to go through a prolonged process, right? And that requires a good amount of due diligence. So the reason why we don't do that upfront is that in order to vet that deal, so to speak, if you were to bring me a property, I've gotta go through a whole host of due diligence, meaning I have to stop a project that I'm working on actively to get to council. And so we're going to go through that 5,300 list. We're going to go through each one, one at a time. And as we're getting our due diligence in and we're identifying categorically what we're doing with it, we take that to city council and that's how it gets on surplus. If we move outside of that process, then we need to go through an application process on our website, which is available. So we do have a way for you to do that if you fill out the application there and say, hey, I'd like to buy this property as a private owner, then we'll put it into the queue and then it'll be looked at in that form and fashion.

We're getting a little bit off topic. That's something that probably can be discussed offline between both parties. The presentation was for real estate to present what they generally do.

Thank you. And I'm sorry I abused the occasion to express my feelings. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Espinosa. Are there any other questions related to the presentation?

I do. Thank you, Ms. Espinosa, for clarifying all these things. Just to make sure, only the properties that are considered by city council surplus are for sale. That's good. Right. So anybody can buy those. The other ones are not for sale. At least not yet. Yeah, until it's declared surplus. Okay. The other one question that I had is when was the last time you guys or the city did what we're trying to do now? you know, correcting them. If I remember correctly, the city tried to do this years ago, trying to clean up their properties. And then, you know, they get messy again, so you got to do another cleanup, you know, or we move forward. So...

If I might, Madam Chair, I think at least from our side, from the planning side, we had, I think, an application last year in regards to one of the fire stations. I don't know how many of you were here, obviously, at that time. But we typically, for fire stations, depending on the zoning, sometimes they are required to have a special permit approved by city council. And and that's one of the things that typically have come to the City Plan Commission because probably before when the fire station was established the the requirement wasn't there and then obviously as the code was amended we added requirements but as far as I can I recall I think last year we we have one for one of the fire stations and I believe that was the one on on Mesa kind of north of Shadow Mountain

So if I may, Member Borrego, I think what you were asking is more holistically, when was the last time we looked at our portfolio in this form and fashion? And so I have been in charge of the real estate division since 2021, and it is my understanding that at least for the last, Two decades prior to that, it had not been looked at in this form and fashion, where we did a one at a time, one by one, let's take a look at it, let's make sure we have records for everything that is related to that property. So this is a brand new endeavor that we're excited to join in with you guys, and with your help, we'll be able to get it cleaned up, hopefully, and it'll last a lot longer than what it has in the past.

So seeing that, it might be that once it's all cleaned up, you'll find that there is some surplus that the city might want to get rid of, correct?

Yes, we're still going through those records. We have not fully vetted all of the properties yet, so you will be seeing more and more surplus properties added to the listing as we go through the due diligence and get it to council and it gets moved into that category, correct?

Thank you, Ms. Espinosa. Of course.

Thank you. Any other questions for Ms. Espinosa? Thank you, we appreciate your time this afternoon. Thank you. Thank you.

Now is my time apparently. Good afternoon, Luis Zamora with Planning and Inspections. So this next item I wanted to bring forward to all of you. I know many of you are new. The commission deals a lot with, obviously, the public. There's always been concerns from the public, from everyone, all the concerned parties about we did not get informed about this item going forward in regards to zoning or a plot. So we wanted to bring this item to kind of just kind of do a quick overview. Hopefully it's quick. I think there's too many slides, but we'll try to go hopefully just to have something there. So we'll go and then obviously at the end if you have any questions we can address those. So part of the bad first things I want to kind of address is public hearings are obviously included on the state local government code. That's where the city gets its Technically, the state allows the city to regulate, and obviously one of the things we regulate that you see every time are zoning application and subdivision applications. So Chapter 211 deals with the zoning, and Chapter 212 mostly with subdivisions. And then obviously you have the Texas Government Code with the Open Meetings Act, or TOMA, that deals with having public hearings, agendas, and the timing for those. So liquid here is kind of an excerpt from the state code. I don't want you to read it because it's a lot and it's too small. In all, technically, what it says, when it goes, something goes to the planning commission, which is the city planning commission for us here. And this is specifically in some instances, and you can see down there at the bottom, is typically for when we have to deal with replats for property zoned single family or for duplexes that has been zoned for that, at least for the Last five years or is restricted by covenants or did restrictions to those uses Then the the city is required to obviously notify property owners within 200 feet of the subject property And it's only within the original subdivision and then plus that Besides that the city has to publish on the newspaper that you know, we're gonna have a public hearing for the subdivision and this item that has to happen at least 15 15 days prior to the public hearing with a city plan Commission and And then, I think it went back. Okay. The other item, though, is we do have what we call minor plats, and those are subdivisions that are administratively approved by the subdivision coordinator. In some instances, again, if they meet those requirements, they're single family or four duplex, they have covenants, things like that. We still notify property owners we're in 200 feet within the original subdivision. The only difference here is this happens after, so it's kind of like a courtesy, right? Letting everyone know in this subdivision, like, hey, this is the process, this is what happened, so just, you're notified that this is something, that the subdivision changed. And just to kind of put it there, again, this is from the state. So as you may know, the City Planning Commission has sole responsibility and decision-making for PLATS. The powers come from the state. And then obviously it is limited about what you can approve or technically you can deny because if it meets everything, it has to be approved. This is kind of one of the notices, the letter that we sent. Obviously provide the basic information, which is location, the date, the time, what technically which body is having the public hearing. In this instance, the city plan commission. We provide a map, obviously, to inform the public, so they're aware. The letter also has our contact information, or the case manager, so they can always call, and obviously has the information for the meeting, so they can always be at the meeting This is kind of obviously what is posted on a newspaper, typically. Again, at least 15 days before the hearing has to be posted. So everyone, and I don't know how many still read the newspaper or even look at the section for the public notices, but it is a requirement and it is posted.

Luis, let me ask a question on that. Is that the only place it's noted to the public, just in the newspaper? Because I don't know anybody that reads a newspaper anymore.

Correct. So let me continue and then we'll take the questions at the end. I apologize. Because there's more stuff. Maybe you'll get something from there. So moving forward, so that was related to subdivisions, right? Now, in regards to zoning and this chapter 211 from the state, again, don't read it, it's too small. It does obviously have requirements for the zoning commission, which is here for the city of El Paso. Technically, we have both the planning and the zoning commission, which is this body, city plan commission. So the requirement is also per state code, 200 feet. That has to be and we have at least ten days. It has to be Sent ten days before the public hearing that's a difference from the 15 days. We'll go more about it later we also are required to notify this appropriate school district when we're dealing with residential multifamily properties and there's a On-site posting requirement along the frontage if there's a property with multiple frontages one sign is going to be required on each frontage and Again, that's what's kind of for the City Plan Commission. And then it talks about the governing body, which for City of El Paso is obviously council. And that requires technically kind of the same thing. Now we do see a change, though. This one will require publication in the newspaper. So this will be kind of the last one. Obviously, council is the one that will decide. City Plan Commission is technically a recommending body to council. So there's a newspaper for that publication that has to happen for that hearing. We increase the time to 15 days. And then on-site postings, technically, once we start, technically has to stay there, so it's still there. Now, going into the city requirements, because obviously, again, we're looking at the state, the city, we have codified. Well, I guess the first thing I wanna talk about that's there in the code is before we accept any zoning application, when they're going through rezonings or special permits or amending conditions imposed on previous rezonings on the property, We require the applicant to notify all neighborhood associations in writing and typically the way we see it is an email we allow that and So they typically will send an email to the neighborhood association, let them know the address, the location, what the proposal is, provide their contact info so the neighborhood association can always talk back to them if they have questions. And also they can, all these neighborhood associations can talk to us and let us know from the very beginning Okay, this thing is moving by itself. So going again into what we have codified, so we have these little requirements for the city plan commission before we go to a public hearing, we go back to the requirement, actually there's a typo here, it should be 300 feet. From the subject property. That's what we notified. So the city does go beyond was required by the state So instead of 200 we notified 200 feet Outside the property it is required again and we do see we still follow this as a state We send these letters ten days before the public hearing with city plan commission So we typically will think of it obviously two weeks before Doesn't we notify? We also, as per our code, are required to notify the manager, property manager, if there's a multifamily development. So we'll send an extra one to them. We also have to send one to the school district. And then obviously, again, that on-site posting, that's required. No, I lost it. I was gonna say something else and I forgot. I'll come back to me. So this is kind of the letter. It's obviously similar as the other one for subdivisions. Same thing, it's for the city plan commission, the date, time, location of the meeting, our contact info so they can reach out to us, and then we provide a map. And the map typically shows, and that's something we show obviously during presentations. So it shows which properties got notified. Obviously one thing I wanna point out is we do hear a lot obviously from residents that they did not get a letter, right? Unfortunately, sometimes it's because that 300 feet doesn't reach them I think sometimes it is assumed by the residents that just because they're in a neighborhood association. They will get notified That's obviously something for the neighborhood Association president to coordinate with their with their neighborhood with their community But we see we obviously hear a lot about this. Unfortunately, again, we're restricted to those 300 feet and This is kind of one of those signs that you will typically see on properties. So it has to be in English and Spanish. Actually, just to bring back the letters, we do send them in English and Spanish. So we want to make sure that everyone understands what's going on. Again, they don't understand, which is typical. They don't understand what we're saying. They obviously can call us and we'll try to clarify everything. Second is one of those signs. So This sign has to be posted at least 15 days before public hearing with city plan Commission as we go through the process It needs to be it needs to stay there until it there's a decision by council So that's kind of the first step at least with zoning applications, right the seed plan Commission we get there This body provides a recommendation to council After that then as we move into council the requirement it's again. They're sorry. There's a typo again So it is 300 feet around the property. So we'll notify all those property owners and We'll have to send then put the publication on the newspaper also all this within 15 days before that public hearing. So I don't know if you're all aware council kind of happens in two phases for zoning items. There's an introduction period which is kind of putting everyone to notice that there will be a discussion later and then the public hearing. So typically all this will be done at the introduction period. There's a posting, obviously, on the newspaper, kind of similar as the other one. And this is kind of a quick timeline, just to make sure, I want to make sure that everyone understands that there's a lot of time that happens and a lot of time for people, residents, the neighborhood association to chime in. So again, the first thing is we ask the applicant to provide us proof that they notify the neighborhood association. So this happens day zero before we accept an application that has to happen. Technically a month, at least a minimum is a month after the application was we review, we're ready to take it to city plan commission. If it's ready, sometimes it takes more. Then obviously we'll send those letters. So then the residents are aware of that. The Neighborhood Association Act actually also receives a copy of the agenda. So we put them on notice that, hey, here's the agenda. You find anything in your neighborhood, you should know what's going on. And then typically three months or more after city plan commission or technically from the very beginning, Then we will send notices again, right, for the city council hearing, which will be the final decision. So there's plenty of time. A resounding typically lasts anywhere between four to six months in reality, because we have to go back and forth, and then obviously the timing of the meetings. So I'm gonna make sure that it's understood, right? There's a lot of time, you know, We'll just skip it at that for now. And then lastly, going into the Opens Meetings Act. So obviously there's the agenda posting, and that's what you all are required to follow. We all are required to follow. There's an agenda that has to be posted at least three business days before the meeting. So it has to be posted physically outside City Hall so everyone then wants to walk in. They can share what's going on. It has to be posted on the city website. So they always have you can always check that whatever you are from home Obviously the agenda has to include the date time location and the specific items for discussion So again, they know what's being discussed and that's why we can have this What requirement that obviously we cannot discuss or it cannot be discussed something that's not on the agenda unless, which is the last point, you do it during the public comment once you start the meeting, right? So that's where everyone can chime in and discuss something that's not on the agenda. So there's that open period. So obviously meetings are open to the public so they can always provide some commentary. And with that, that completes my presentation.

Thank you Mister some of that any questions for Mister some of that.

Just back to that one original question we said is that the only place that is poses in the newspaper aside from the sign in the 200 square feet to the general public is there anywhere else that is posted aside from the newspaper.

Correct so so is posted on the newspaper physically right. Obviously you can access to it online to it is posted on the website again from the very beginning with within the time that's required. I'm missing another one. It is posted physically outside City Hall every time there's going to be a meeting as well.

So the reason I ask is I hear often people say, well, I wasn't notified. I didn't know this property was being built. I didn't know this was going on. It's on the next block over. I didn't see the sign. And a lot of people nowadays, they don't read the newspaper. They utilize Instagram or Facebook or something else to get their information, TikTok, whatever they use as their avenue of information. So utilizing the newspaper, I don't see as a viable source to notify the public.

Correct. And we understand, right? But this is from the state. Again, there's obviously the ability to have it online. It's just technically online. There's no... requirement like, well, you need to post on social media and these things. Can the city do it? I don't see an issue with that, but that's not obviously something that's codified, that's required. Social media can change anytime too. It's still hard to follow. But I think, again, applicants are required to notify neighborhood associations. And I think that's one of the good things about being in a neighborhood association is that you should be able to account for on that network association to let you know what's what's going on with your community. But I mean, I can agree newspaper is kind of I want to say obsolete, but that's dated. It's not. Yes. But it's still limited, right? And I think one of the things is the website. And if I'm not wrong, there are specific requirements as to post on the website. So it's easy to access from the public. I believe it has to be one click away, two clicks away from the main page. So you should not having to click multiple links just to find what's going on. And that's kind of the way I believe that the state kind of tries to address that issue. very accessible for the public.

Okay. Thank you, Luis. Appreciate it.

You're welcome.

I had a question. Is there an opportunity to expand the 200 feet perimeter that you send the notices to, or would that be through the state as well?

So let me just clarify again. This the state does require 200 as a minimum the city of us go beyond to 300 Except for the the plots the replants Which is days at 200, but we do go up to 300. Can we? opportunity to go beyond that Absolutely. That's something that though. It has to be approved by City Council has to be decided and approved I know in the past there has been discussion about it, but that's it really. I will just say, take into account that it's an extra expense, right? That's something the city will have to pay. Obviously, typically we'll pass the expense towards the applicant when we charge for an application, but it's an extra expense too. Yeah, but yeah, technically the path will be to take something, having council bring something to other meeting and decide on that. If they want to increase it, then they have the ability to increase it. The state just says you cannot go below 200 feet. That's it. You can always go above.

Thank you. One last question on that 200 feet. Is it a circular parameter of 200 feet? Is it a linear? Is it as a crow flies? Where does that 200 feet come from?

Yeah, so it's around the boundary, right? So you have the property line, so you're going to measure from the property line. So technically like a buffer around the property.

Through the chair. Thank you, Mr. Sonnetta. I've been on this commission for about two and a half years. And as far as letting the public know, I know that this, that the planning commission does a really good job, especially towards the neighborhood associations. I'm president of one and I get my letter every two weeks and it tells us everything there. A lot of the neighborhood association presidents, people involved, don't reach out to the people. Just because you have a neighborhood association in an area doesn't mean that everybody's a member. You know, only a few people. our members, so it's hard to get all the people that are not members get that information to them. The other thing that I've seen that's really good by you guys, by staff, is that we've had meetings where it gets a little bit tense. And a lot of people come in on the day of the meeting, hey, I didn't hear about this and blah, blah, blah. And then it's postponed to give them more time to talk to the people that are going to be affected, to talk to the people and the representative that's going to do whatever they're going to do there. And I think you guys did a good job. The 300 feet, you've always done 300 feet since I've been here for the last two and a half years. And I know that sometimes a property, like you said, will only cover the first batch because It's across the street. It's far away. And the rules are 300 feet. You know, but every opportunity I think by staff and this commission is given a chance to have a public say. You know, even if you don't sign up, we've always, for people that want to speak to us, the public, we've always made that time for them. And I think that we need to do that. So, like I said, for the last two and a half years, staff has done a pretty decent job on a grade from zero to 10. I would give you an 8.5.

Well, thank you. Thank you.

There's always room for improvement.

Thank you. Any other questions for Mr. Zamora? Thank you.

Thank you, everyone.

Okay. This is the last item on the agenda for today.

Move to adjourn.

Thank you. Second. Can I get a motion?

I just did.

Oh, sorry. I'm sorry.

And you got a second.

Thank you that concludes for today motion can I get a motion to adjourn thank you. All in favor aye thank you.