Veterans Affairs Commission - Regular Meeting

We've got a pre-survey, and then on the other side is the post-survey. So when you do your pre-survey, we're going to do it before class, obviously, and then the post-survey will be after class. Good morning. Now everybody can see us. So that's what we're looking at in front of you right there. You also just have a flyer for Drive Safe or Drive Longer, personal safety brochure, crime victims brochure. I gave you those specifically because I have seen, just in my office in the past two months, A couple people come in who are victims of fraud, a scheme, something.

And it is very... I'm sorry, can I stop and interrupt? Because we have to officially start the meeting before we start your presentation.

Well, let's do it then. Like I said, I could talk forever.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Amen.

Our next order of business would be to adopt the agenda and to approve the consent calendar. Have you all seen the agenda? And are there any additions or corrections to that? And or have you seen the minute? What? I'm sorry. The last minute. Have you seen the mail? Presumably. If so, may we have a motion to approve? Second. Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. So, approve. It looks like we're probably going to make a little adjustment because our speaker is here. But first, we do have roll call. And may we hear from the folks on Spring Street first? Please tell us your name and how you're affiliated with the Commission on Aging.

OK. They're on mute. They should be. I'm muting shortly.

OK. Well, let's start within this room. Denise, please say your name, how you're associated with us, and we'll start on around the ground.

Denise Ramos, Program Coordinator for Area 80G.

Elizabeth Gallo, District 4 Representative.

Doreen Sanchez, District 5 Representative.

Henry Lou, Dormitory Commissioner.

Leonard Carter with Board of Members. I'm John Fuqua.

I'm a community representative with the Commission on Aging and Chair.

Trudy Morgan. I'm the Executive Secretary of the Salt Lake Tahoe Senior Center. That's our new name. We just now have recently become a non-profit.

Gary DeGioia, president of the TBSCC.

Jill Wassner, community representative to the COA. Bob Cameron, the community representative to the COA.

Julie Bauer, a member at large of the COA.

Jasmine Hitchborn, health and human services agency.

Simone James, assistant director of human services, HHSA.

Thank you. And may we hear from the folks on Spring Street?

Good morning.

This is Kelly from the Community Action Council. Hi, everyone.

Oh, I'm Raylene Nunn. I'm District 1 Supervisor Appointment to the COA.

Tina Bladen, Community Representative.

Commissioner.

Jetta Study Board Special Advocate.

Lynette Englehart-Stott, Deputy Director at HHSA and the AAA Director.

Okay, we have a quorum.

Yes. Do you want the other two people that are on here? Oh, they're going to introduce themselves. Abby, go ahead and introduce yourself. You're on mute. Okay, we'll go to the next person. Sabina Kang, would you like to introduce yourself? Sabina's unmuted. Do you want to introduce yourself, Sabina?

I'm sorry, can you hear me? Yes. Oh, sorry about that. My name is Sabina Kang, and I'm a Medicare agent with Health Plan San Joaquin Mountain Valley.

Great.

Kelly.

Kelly introduced herself.

Oh, she did? Okay. Oh, first, okay. Oh, there's a large group in a small room. How about if we, with your approval, we will switch the order a little bit because our guest speaker is present and ready to go. And if you have a couple of extra Oh, you didn't get anything.

Yes, you can have one.

You all have that room.

We have a motion to change the order of the agenda.

Motion to change the order of the agenda.

I'll take it. And then can we adopt the agenda and then we can move to the second? What was that? And then can we adopt the agenda with the changes? Okay. Okay.

May we adopt, or may I have a motion to adopt the agenda as Jane? I'll make the motion to adopt the agenda. Okay. Second? Second. Thank you, Bob. All in favor? All right. Opposed? Motion carries. So, Ruth. Yes. And Ruth, you have kind of introduced yourself. Ruth Loris, is that how you pronounce your name? All right. Public information for the California Highway Patrol. Yes, ma'am.

We're looking forward with bated breath. Okay. So welcome, everyone. I'm Officer Reflore. I am out of the South Lake Tahoe office here. So I am local for all of you who are local. I think it's good to, you know, have a face with the name. And that way, you know, when I do things as public information officer, you have me for three more years. So For three more years, this will be the face of PAO for South Lake Tahoe. Sorry. Actually, somebody did reach out to me from another area, and I put them in touch with our PAO from Placerville. So this is a statewide presentation. I really like this class. We do two versions of it. One is put on by Treads. And if we could, can you pull up the PowerPoint right here? And I will have to have the...

And then go to display settings. And duplicate slideshow.

There we go. All right. Can I steal this? Yes, you can. I didn't have my little clicker, so I can't just stand here and click things. So I have to go back and forth with these sorts of things. So welcome. Drive safer, drive longer. Our version, this is put on by TREDS, which is the Transportation Research and Education for Driving Safety. And I can never remember that for the life of me. And I do several TREDS classes. And I'm like, I can't remember that. I'm used to San Diego is where treads is at, but they put together several really good classes and I like the way they put together their classes. So we're going to go with drive safer, drive longer, and I fully believe this. So unfortunately, you guys down on Spring Street don't have it, but you here in the room have a free survey. On the opposite side is post-survey, so don't do that again, obviously. We want to know what you know now. Um, when we're doing this class, and like I said, I don't have much time, so I'm going to talk fast and skip over a lot of stuff, but. Yes. Okay. I got a clicker. Okay. Um, so let me get back to my train of thought. Uh, we want you to know, we want you to also know what you know ahead of time, because these are questions that sometimes you don't ask yourself all the time. And then when we're done with the class, we'll go back to the other side and hopefully have learned something. We do this with our Start Smart class. We also have a class for new drivers and their parents where we actually go into the classroom, talk to their new kids, which are generally about 15. Some of them are 16. But we get into like, this is what driving is about. You guys are on the opposite side. You know what driving is about. You know all of it. You've been driving for a minute now. Most of you have had your license probably longer than I have been alive. Not quite. I'm old now. I'm old now. So let's not get that far. But there's just some things that we take for granted. Some things that we forget. Some things are just new. Cars have gotten so much smarter. We actually had a collision the other day because somebody, we were pulling somebody and they were in a truck with a travel trailer and they had no power brakes and no power steering. And a lot of people don't know how to drive like that. A lot of us do. I'm part of that generation. I remember no power steering, no power brakes. Not very much of it, but I do know, I know of it. So we go through this. So, of course, this is normally an hour long class that I spread into an hour and a half. We're going to go through this a little quickly, unless you give me more time. Thank you for being honest. So we're going to go through this kind of quick. So I apologize for everybody, even on Spring Street, we're going to go through this kind of quick. So this is a condensed version of what I do. I did not take any slides out. I didn't make it a condensed version. We're just going to skip through some stuff. There are, I think, like 75. So we would have to go quick.

Excuse me. Yes, ma'am. I'm just trying to move that over to one screen so I can share the screen.

Absolutely.

Go ahead.

It's OK.

So of course, we talk about what the goals are, talking about driving, talking about when you stop driving. Is it right time for you to stop driving? When is the right time to stop driving? What other resources are out there? What kind of help can we give you with learning to drive a little bit better in the snow and the icy conditions? These are things that we deal with up here in the basin because of course we deal with snow. So ice driving is a big deal. We talk about crash factors. We talk about safe driving strategies, DMV licensing. I actually have... A sample test, too, is lots of reasons why people don't pass the written test. And then the self-assessment tools. I really like the self-assessment tools because, excuse me, I may be the one to tell you not to drive anymore, but there's probably not a whole lot of other people around you that are going to tell you it's time to stop driving. But ultimately, the decision is yours or possibly mine, because I have done that as well. I have had I wouldn't say several. I've had some. Not even necessarily older drivers, just some people that I'm like, you are not to drive anymore. They have this thing called re-evaluation form. And there are just some people you know, and I'm sure there are some of your friends or people you know that should not be driving anymore. So I have the ability to actually have your driving privilege re-evaluated by the DMV. I think I'm the only one that can do that. besides you. So really, it ultimately comes down to you. It's not very often that you're going to come into contact with me. It's really going to be on you guys. Talking to your doctor is a really big deal, but we'll get into that in a minute. Okay. Are we ready? Yeah.

Okay.

Okay. So some awkward facts. Now, DMV doesn't keep track of this anymore, but at one point in time, Edith was the oldest driver in California at 107. That is amazing. Amazing. So clearly age is not a factor. It is your skills. It is you, whether you feel that you're safe or not. Older road users take fewer risks. And of course, these are generalizations. Are more patient, possess greater life experience. That's what we're talking about. More compliant with the laws. Most definitely. I don't stop older people for speeding, for reckless driving. I don't get any of those. But impeding? Yes. Um, uh, maybe unsafe lane changes. Yes. Those are the things that I usually see or that we normally see, uh, health impacts, of course, cognition, vision, strength, mobility, medications, Medicaid, uh, medical conditions. We're going to get into medications a little bit too, because of course DUI is not just alcohol. Oh, medications and driving. So these are a lot of the medications that will cause problems. And a lot of times, these are the ones that the older generation is on. Your diabetes medicine, your anti-seizures, a lot of blood pressure medicines. What I've seen a lot too with people who have re-evaluated their license who are not in the older age group is seizures, things that have any kind of brain problems. disorder or injury, stuff like that. Those are what I see with the younger generation, younger generations. But of course, these are things that we really need to pay attention to. This is what I like to, your physician can help. You really need to talk to your physician. What do they think? What do they think about your skills? They're the ones who are putting you through a physical evaluation. What do they think? How are your eyes? Really big one. How are your ears? Can you hear things that are going on? I'm sure most of you know that, um, uh, you cannot drive with your ears covered with headphones, right? Why is that? Did you need to be able to hear things? Um, you can have one in, but not two, but when deaf people drive, you know, there are exceptions that can be made, but if you can hear Washington, who do I want you to hear? me when i come up behind you and you don't get out of the way i am losing my mind behind you let me tell you that i'm like i'm yelling at you and i'm pointing so yeah pay attention what's going on around you that comes with those cognitive skills too are you paying attention to what's going around you can you see what's going on around you how is your eyesight things to take into consideration and talk to your doctor about Um, alcohol, you guys know, alcohol, cannabis and driving older generations. I'm seeing this and I mean like all generations were seeing this. Um, but with the growing number of 50 plus that reported cannabis in the past year, we're seeing gummies, edibles, all the other stuff. They're not smoking it anymore. So all of the old hippies that are in here, you're probably not smoking anymore, but you may be out there eating a gummy before bed or whatever. Taking into consideration that it's also DUI if you get behind the wheel of a car. Crash factors. So this is one of my favorite things because I am a reconstruction girl. And when it comes to collisions, I am very interested in what happens in collisions. These are what we call primary collision factors, PCFs. Just so other people can see me too. Yeah, yeah. Okay, inclusion factors. Unsafe speed is number one. Unsafe speed could be anything. It doesn't mean you're exceeding the speed limit. It means you're going too fast for the current conditions. Could be snow, could be ice, could be amount of people on the road, could be an amount of traffic on the road. Unsafe speed is a catch-all for almost anything, and most of our crashes are unsafe speed. Right-of-ways, a lot of, you know, turning left in front of another car, you see that a lot. Improper turning, traffic signs and signals, which means basically disobeying traffic signs and signals. And then, of course, DUI. It is still a big primary collision factor, DUI. Cannot get away from it. But then we get into the older group, 80 plus, unsafe speed, right away, improper turns, same things. It's not changing. We're seeing the same violations no matter what age you are because it's that common. God bless you. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I got ahead of myself. Right away. And that makes complete sense. Let's get into this one. 39 of crashes involving age 80 over are the right-of-way collisions. So we're talking intersection collisions a lot of times. Just not knowing whether it's your turn to go, whether the other person, whether that's judging the vehicle that's coming at you. That one we see a lot of because you can't judge the distance of that vehicle or the speed of that vehicle. So we see a lot of people turning in front of it. Okay. We'll talk about this a little bit. And I like this one, the safer left turns three rights, make a left. And I know this is so weird concept for people, but absolutely. If you, it's not safe for you to make a left. Like we were just talking about, that's one of the biggest primary collision factors for 18 and above make three rights, go up and rights are safer. What you see people doing, uh, delivery services, make rights like UPS is FedEx. They it's, I heard somebody say something, and probably that was right. So yeah, that's what we want you to do. What's easier for you? What's safer for you? And this one right here, making rights, is much safer for everyone than just making a left turn and dealing with that traffic at that intersection. Freeway driving. Of course, freeway driving gets a little stressful when you get a little bit older. Younger people have a hard time with freeway driving and older people have a hard time with freeway driving. Remember, freeway traffic is the right of way. And that's something that we don't think we teach well enough. Because how many times have you gotten on the freeway or you're trying to get on the freeway and everyone's mad at each other? I have the right of way. No, I have the right of way. No, the person on the freeway is the right of way. You shall merge into them. So one of the questions, I thought one of the questions was, let's see if we get to it. True or false, signaling is required. That's not the one I wanted. But true or false, signaling is required every time you make a turn. And this one is my big one because my partner and I at work, he thinks you should make a turn signal for every turning movement you make. And I go, nope. If it does not affect other people, you don't have to. If you're at a stop sign in the middle of nowhere, do you need to put on your turn signal to turn to indicate to somebody else you're turning? No. But you need to come to stop because you don't know who's coming when you have to turn. But anyway, no, only when it affects other people do you have to use a truth signal. The three-second rule. So what we say in a collision, perception and reaction time is a second and a half together. So when you are in a collision and you see something like a tree in the road and you slam on your brakes, just that action is a second and a half. That's quite a bit of time taken out of the grand scheme of things. What they say is when you're basically driving, have a three-second rule. And I think most of us have done this. We've learned this.

To avoid tailgating, follow the three-second rule. It takes one and a half seconds to notice a risk. Absolutely. And another one and a half seconds to hit the brakes and slow down to avoid it. There are your three seconds. And I can tell you that.

We're ready to go. So basically you pass an item.

You pass that same thing for three seconds. You're a safe distance behind. You're a safe following distance. Make sense? But self-regulation is really big when it comes to older drivers.

You are the ones, as I said, to determine whether you are ready to quit driving or not. My great grandmother lived to be 104 and she stopped driving at 95. And basically because she got in a collision in the parking lot of the grocery store, she backed out and didn't even see the person behind her again. She's like, okay, I think I'm done driving now. Self-regulation, reducing your exposure, considering daytime driving, big, big deal based on vision. Fair weather driving, also a big deal. Who wants to drive in the snow and ice? Nobody. Um, freeway alternatives, not getting on the freeway. Can you take the surface streets? Is it going to be better like that? And no rush hour driving. We thank God we don't have to deal with any of that nonsense. But if you have to go down to Sacramento for a doctor's appointment or something, take into consideration what time you're making your appointment, take into consideration what time you're driving with everybody else and all those other psychopaths who are on their way to work. You don't want to be on the road with them. Amy Dabbs, Neighborhoods. So this one really applies to us because we do a lot of neighborhood driving or at least a lot of town driving. We are a small community. So pedestrians, skateboards, Amy Dabbs, Bicycles. We've been talking about it. E-bikes, the blind scooters, pedestrians who are just running and have their ears covered and are just running across the street and don't even look whether there's a car coming or not. These are things we need to really think about. When we were driving through the residentials, nothing, this has not changed since we were all younger. I'm throwing myself in with you. Since we were all younger, none of this has changed. These are all the same things you're paying attention to. But up here, we just have a little bit more of them, I think, especially animals, motorcycles right now. I hate summertime. So parking lots, as I said, my great-grandma, that's when she stopped driving was when she was like, okay, I couldn't even back out of a spot at the grocery store. Yep, probably time. Pedestrians, vehicles seeking parking spots, backing up, tight stalls, all those things that we know that are hazards in parking lots. Absolutely. Bike lanes and offset parking. Pay attention to what else is going on. These are common now that we've got these, the green bike lanes. Those are all new. They're everywhere now, especially all around Tahoe, especially all around Sacramento, Placerville, everywhere. You're seeing this. This is not an uncommon scene. That is very common. realistic for all of us. Cars, pedestrians, delivery people, all of this is going on. We used to have a better one and it was actually a photo from Sacramento and I've driven through this intersection. It has train tracks going through it. It has two different intersections that have two different like directions. I mean like angles. It is horrific. But I'm like, yeah, I've driven through that thing. That is a nasty intersection. When you're paying attention, when you're fully lucid and everything, then you Throw in some other things. Can I have a quick question? Of course.

Who has the right-of-way with those bike lanes? Is the driver that's trying to turn, or does the bike lane have the right-of-way?

That is a good question. So if they're going straight, then they have the right-of-way. You're going to have to yield to them to make your right turn into the place. One thing I want you guys to remember, too, we live by this. It's called the big mother rule. The bigger vehicle will win, no matter who it is. Big rig versus car, car versus pedestrian. So think about that too. Is it worth it for you to claim that right away sometimes? Be like, you know what? I'm going to just let this bike go. I have plenty of time to turn in front of him because he's behind me in that bike lane. But better be safe than sorry. I'm just going to let him go. Plus, a lot of times too, you're providing that safety for them. So that way they know you're sitting here. They can go by safely. And of course, that's a good one for your turn indicator because that person on that bike really wants to know where you're going to go to. Because everything you're going to do depends on them. They don't want to get hit either. So, but yeah, to answer your question, I would let them go straight and then you would go right, just to be on the safe side. And always depending on how far away things are. Better be safe than sorry. Like I said, just let them go. What? Half the time they're flying anywhere around here. We know the bicyclists are around here. Distracted driving, big, big pit. We don't see it in the 80 plus community very much because I think you guys are smart enough to know that. But I also think that we are also not that generation where you have your phone in your hand every second of the day. I saw somebody driving the other day and they weren't even on their phone. Their phone was literally in their hand and they were like, I'm like, wow, that's stupid, but whatever. Talking, GPS, pets, email. Goodness gracious, the list goes on and on. And of course, it's any activity that takes your brain away from your primary task of driving. This is one of the biggest things we talk about. The multitasking we're going to get into. It's probably going to be the next slide, and I'm going to be mad about it. You have three types of distractions, which include everything for driving, visual, manual, cognitive, your eyes, your hands, your brain. These are things that your brain is trying to work all at the same time. So when you add a distraction to it, it's trying to decide which is the most important of all of those things to do. And a lot of times...

So we're going to watch this. And I really like this video. I show it in a lot of my classes. That guy in the...

The guy in the dually pickup truck was like a 20-something-year-old kid. And he was on his son texting. He, as you saw, was all over the road. Not even like drifting through the lane a little bit. He's full on running people off the road. This went on for miles. So obviously this kid has no problem with the way he's driving.

No problem.

Takes that church bus head on and kills... Oh gosh, I can't remember how many people. But it was a church bus of... Older people. Some of them were husband and wife. He killed husbands and wives. And that guy, Jody Kirchner, who actually was following him and taking the video, stopped and was like, do you realize what you just did? And he was like, sorry, I was texting. Sorry, I was effing texting? Are you kidding me? I would have lost my fasting mind. But this is what we're on the road with. This is what you're on the road with every day. Here's my multitasking. Multitasking is a myth. We all think that it's very easy for you just to multitask, but in our reality, your brain is like, what's the most important thing right now? And hopefully driving becomes that, that thing. So true or false is one of my good ones. Talking hands-free. So talking on your speakerphone or through your car is safer than using a handheld phone when driving. True or false? False. So if you are talking on speakerphone or you're using your Bluetooth or whatever, your chances of crashing still go up 23%. Because again, your brain is distracted. It's not necessarily just your hands. Your brain is trying to figure out what's the most important. And I'll tell you a funny story. I was sitting at a bar in an airport. I don't remember what airport I was at. And I was talking to my mom on the phone and I'm sitting at the bar. I'm talking to my mom and she's on her Bluetooth on her car. And I said, Okay, mom, I'll let you go. And I told her the same thing. Even though you're on your Bluetooth, your chances of crashing go up. And I swear I got the phone and like three people at the bar all looked at me and he said, is that true? We all had a conversation. I just educated like three other people at the bar in some random airport on distracted driving. This is, it's not common knowledge. It definitely is not. So that's why we're talking about it. Oh, other dangers out there on the road. So how many of you seen this? How many of you see me behind you losing my mind like this because you're not getting out of the way? Road rage is a very serious thing, and I think it gets worse and worse all the time. So we try to avoid road rage. Of course, if there is a road rage situation and it is bad enough, you are welcome to call 911. That is, if there is, you're feeling like in harm, by all means, if someone's displaying a weapon at you, oh, by all means, definitely call us. We want that one. But triggering behaviors tend to be driving too slow or too fast, like we were talking about. I see it impeding with the older crowd much, much more than anybody else. Distracted drivers, following too close. How many of you guys like to follow too close? Yeah, I didn't think so. Lack of driving courtesy, unsafe lane change. These are not necessarily for the older crew. This is just what triggers road rage generally. But we also say, just drive away. I know it sounds so simple. Stay alert, don't engage, and definitely call 911 if it is necessary. That is definitely a 911 call. I know a lot of people are afraid to call 911 sometimes because they don't think it's an emergency, like a DUI. Some people don't think that's worthy of calling 911, by all means, because that person could kill someone. Any of these people could kill someone. There's definitely a need and a need a reason to call 911, and that's very valid. Safe driving habits. Plan your trips ahead of time. Check directions, check traffic. Who didn't check traffic? But you obviously plan ahead of time because you left early enough that you, even if you did run into construction, you would have plenty of time. Alternate routes. Sharing your itinerary. This one is big. This one is a big one. You may not be there yet. And obviously you guys are in this room and you're all very lucid. You're not in that place yet. We have had many, many an incident with an older person who has lost their way, who got locked. My dad, I didn't even realize this. I just heard this the other day. My dad is 75. He got lost going home the other day. Couldn't find his way home. And I was like, oh, we're at that point. Are we? Good to know. Tracking devices, things, but sharing your itinerary. Helps people know, especially if you're on a road trip and you're going to go visit the grandkids or you're going to go on the longer trip that you normally would go on. Let people know where you're going to go and what route you plan on taking. Make sure you have chargers. You print out your directions if you need to. Once again, using GPS doesn't always work because out here, we don't always have service. So you might not even get to where you're going because you simply don't know how. Printing out directions is a very safe way of doing these still. I love Google Maps just for that simple thing. It can give me directions on where I need to go and I love it. Maybe, maybe, maybe not. Maybe if I turn it on. Okay. Knowing your vehicle. This is the big one for every age group. No one knows what their vehicle does. They don't know how their vehicle responds in situations. They don't know where buttons are in it. Some people don't know how to turn on the four-wheel drive or adjust their seats. It is really disheartening. When you get a new car, the first thing you should do is know what every single button in there does, how your seat adjusts. Most of these cars have adjustments that are like 18 ways. You can do everything for your driving, your maintenance schedule, your controls and features, new technology, which is a big one because everybody has a screen in their car that is ginormous and tells you everything you need to know, the weather, the current driving conditions, blah, blah, blah, who Facebooked you and everything else. If you don't need all that stuff, turn it off, turn it off, turn it off. The new technology too with cars is like the safety features. Does it have adaptive cruise control? Does it have lane centering? What does your car do?

Some of these cars are super smart.

I hate the lane centering. I turn it off and immediately it drives me crazy. I don't like the car driving for me. It makes me very uncomfortable. And check your vehicle before you drive, which applies to everybody. We all should be checking our vehicle no matter where we're going or what we're doing or for long trips, not necessarily every time. And placement 93 84 we have all learned this they're still good body positioning, this one is very big to me too, because I think the older you get the closer to the steering wheel you get and that makes me very uncomfortable your. airbag goes off at 200 miles an hour so whatever's in your hands is going to hit your face the tour miles now during on your phone your coffee, no matter what it is kick take that into consideration just. I just don't like the fact that you're too close to that. It doesn't give you enough space. But that's where a lot of people are comfortable driving. So if that's where you're comfortable, then by all means, think about just moving back a little bit. It makes me feel better. Being tall enough also. So most people, I should say most people, that's exaggeration. A lot of people, my mother-in-law is one of them. She's like 5'1". Amal, you want to raise that seat up so you can see over the steering wheel? I see lots of little old ladies and little old men driving. See through the steering wheel, but not over the steering wheel. So we want you to be at or above the steering wheel. It's just safer for you. Blind spots, y'all know it.

Adjusting your mirrors.

We don't get to hear her talk, but yeah, you can adjust your mirrors to the proper view. This is better. So this is what your extended view looks like in your normal view. We want you to have an extended view. Get those mirrors out as far as you can and also being able to see what's in the lane next to you. Rear view cameras. Do not rely on your backup camera. It is not always the best thing. You need to be using both your eyes and your camera. I mean, the camera will tell you if there's somebody right behind you, but your eyes are going to tell you what's around you. The camera will only do so much. Who doesn't wear a seatbelt? Thank you. We're not talking about that. Wear a seatbelt. Seatbelt positioning. That's another big one because they're so adjustable in every car nowadays. When you are in, and here's another one I'll throw at you. Car seats are slightly different. So when babies are rear facing you, their car seat straps are at or below their shoulders. When we get in a car just like this, your strap is at or above your shoulders. Same thing on kids. So we're forward-facing. Their straps are going to be slightly different. But it's all about what happens in a collision. What happens to your body in a collision? Which way you generally go. So if you've got that seatbelt that is at or above, you're doing pretty good. Accessories. I also have a handout for accessories. So we'll kind of go through these kind of fast. But there is lots of things out there that will help you just to be comfortable driving. as just the driver or the passenger. Licensing information. Oh, safe driving judged by ability, not age. We've talked about that a lot. It is all on you guys. It's how you are driving. What is your personal abilities like right now? License renewal up to 70 requirements. Renewal application may be started online. We're getting to that point. A lot of things are being done online nowadays. If the knowledge test is required, an open book no-fail course may be taken at home. Guess what I brought you? Some DMV handbooks so you can study if you need to, but also a good little refresher there in case you need it. Do I have a question? I hear things over here.

I heard it. Let me just hear something over here.

But visit DMV in person for your, obviously your vision exam, your photo and your thumbprint. You're going to have to go in for something. Sorry. We are super fortunate that we have this DMV because this is one of the best DMVs in California. Oh my gosh. If you've been into any inner city one, we are very fortunate. Based on the results, DMV can, we'll go through all that. We don't need to do that. I've got your handbook. There's free tests. I actually have one here too. We can talk about that when we're done. I am on.

Go ahead.

I can't move.

You can't move? No. Sorry.

No.

And it's on. OK. Let me try enter, see if that works. No. There you go. I'm going to change your view.

This one.

And I know that cursor's slow. Okay, we're still here. Let's see if we can go. Yeah, okay. Sample questions are available online. Like I said, I have some for you. You can take it up three times, blah, blah, blah. Sample question. What speed should you be driving when you enter on a highway? A, B, or C? A, B.

You know what, they might be.

I'll go get some batteries.

I have some.

Yeah, please. I have some, yeah. OK, well, it's at or near the speed. You don't want to be going too fast because you're going to just straight pass everybody. And you don't want to be going too slow because then you're going to be impeding and you're going to have road rage on your hands. But it is your job to merge in safely. It is not the person's job to make sure that they slow down or speed up for you. It is you. I don't, I only have, oh no, I have AAA. I have one AAA.

See if we can use one old, one new.

Okay.

Of course, re-examination referral, the DMV stuff you guys can look up. That's not necessarily necessary right now. But have you ever experienced? And these are questions you need to ask yourself to know if you're ready to stop driving or continue. Have you had near crashes or frequent close calls? Unexplained dents and scratches. My mother-in-law all day long. She blames it at Walmart. I don't believe it. Getting lost or even in familiar locations. That's a big one. Like I said, my dad just did that. Trouble moving foot between the pedals. Are you having problems with mobility? Is it an issue for you to like move your driver, your right foot from the gas pedal to the brake? How quickly can you do it? That's going to be a big deal because if you have to act fast and throw on your brakes, you need to make sure that you can physically do it. Do you have trouble difficulty turning to look while backing or changing lanes? That's a big one too. How good is your neck? How good is your back? These are things you have to do every time you're in the car. So you need to make sure that you can look over both shoulders and then you can turn around and do that.

Now it just went too far away.

Oh, yeah. You want me to hit enter?

Yeah, I think if you're doing something I can't do. That's not a problem. That's not a problem. Has this ever happened? Drivers are honking at you or giving gestures at you. Family, friends express concern. That's a big one because those are the people who are seeing you drive day in and day out. They're expressing concern because they have seen something or they know something. So just take that into consideration. It's not because like, And that's another thing. Everybody wants you to drive. Everyone wants to keep driving. Everyone wants you to keep driving. So if there's a reason that they're telling you not to, it's probably a very good reason. Just take that into consideration. You see red and blue lights in your mirror often? That's an indicator. We call that a clue. But transitioning from driving. And this is really what it really will all come down to. You usually outlive your dragon abilities by 7 to 10 years. That is really an interesting fact. But plan ahead. Prepare for this. You know it's coming. And you generally know what it's Imminent. I mean, most of us know when you're going to stop driving, whether you're having dizzy spells, whether you can't see anymore. Vision is one of the biggest things. Whether you just physically don't have the strength anymore. Like we were saying, you can't move your foot between the driver, between the accelerator and the brake anymore. It's just not happening anymore. But explore transportation options. We actually have a flyer up there for you too that will help you with exploring those options. And make it your decision. Again, it's you. Most of the time, 99%, it's you. If it comes down to me, I'm not going to be as nice. I'm going to be like, yeah, no, you can't drive anymore. Sorry, we're done. Public transportation, ride shares, all kinds of different things for options. And is it affordable? That's another one we really have to talk about. I have a cost little thing over there so that you can actually do it yourself. It fills in all the little blanks like this annual vehicle cost thing. So you can look it up yourself and see without a car, with a car, what's might be more cost effective to get rid of car in general. We live in a multimodal town, so you can get around any way in this place. Self-rating tools, safety courses, big ones. AAA has a self-rating tool online. AARP does. I'm like, I hope we're going to see that one in a second. And I have also a handout for these things for you guys too. A lot of times, and when I do this full course, I give you a certificate when I'm done. And you can present it to your insurance company. A lot of times they will give you a discount for it. If it's not mine, it could be a AAA one or it could be an AARP one. Check with your insurance company to see who they accept these from. Same thing with the new drivers. That's why we do the Start Smart class because these new drivers, of course, we all know how expensive it was to insure us when we were young. You can get a discount for going through any of our classes as well. Driving instructors are another resource. They can identify bad habits. That is bringing in an outside person, a third person, so that you're not dealing with someone you know. It doesn't have to be personal. You can have somebody who's completely, you know, what's the word I'm looking for? Unbiased. The what? Unbiased. Unbiased. Thank you. That's exactly what I want. An unbiased person who can tell you what you're doing right or what you're doing wrong. You can be the best driver and just not know it. Have someone tell you that. It's awesome. Rehab specialists, coming out of any kind of surgeries where you need rehab, you can have a driver rehab specialist as well. They'll evaluate your driving skills, provide retraining, and prescribe adaptive equipment too. That list is up there. I'll get it to you. Good stuff on that one. Final thoughts. I know we've talked a lot today. But take steps to learn more. Be aware of changing traffic patterns, which we have all the time here. We keep getting roundabouts. They are coming. Don't think they're going away. There's only going to be more. Be familiar with your vehicle. Ask for input on your driving, like when you're driving with friends and family. And always think about being a safer driver.

And of course. Always wear your seatbelt. That is the biggest, biggest one.

So, of course, now you've got your post survey. Sorry, everybody. You can scan the little QR code and you can do it yourself on that side. But that's basically it. Any questions? Yes.

These new lights, they put up for crosswalks in the valley. Yes. If the lights flash a grid, can you go through or not?

It's always going to depend on if there's somebody in the crosswalk or about.

Yeah. If it's occupied, you wouldn't.

Correct. And so this is the one problem we had when it was in Camp Rich, that Camp Rich one. That one was splashing all the time. The problem that I have with it is if it is splashing red and there's nobody in it, everybody's going to stop. But in theory, you should be able to go through. As long as there's nobody in the crosswalk, you should be able to drive. If it's solid red, yes. Yes, sir.

You seem to be having an increase in vehicle versus building collisions. Are those mainly seniors or? No, no. I assumed, okay. No. They hit the gas instead of braking.

It's huge. If you see it like right here or at a grocery store, yes, that is. But it seems like a lot, we've had a lot of DUI drivers. Oh, yeah, those are different.

Or pursuits.

Or pursuits.

Yeah, that'll do it.

Yeah, people just don't know how to drive. So I'm like, you don't know how to drive. I don't know how to drive. Run from me.

I'm going to hit you. It's so funny. People in there. Confidence in their driving is very interesting.

Yeah, that's exactly what's really interesting to me is you're driving in the valley here all the time. You see Bay Area license plates, out-of-town license plates, run red lights all the time.

Yeah, and we don't have that kind of community. So it's very frustrating to me. I love writing red light tickets. I don't get to do it very much because I don't work in the city anymore. When I was working in Graybar, I was in the city all the time. But I don't work in the city anymore. So for me, it's frustrating because I'm like, I want to come in here and write these all day long. But I have to let the PD do that. They can do their own jobs. But I completely agree. You're just seeing... And it's not just Bay Area.

Well, it definitely seems like it doesn't. I look at that right away when I see somebody go through. Yeah. Yes.

So I just want a clarification on number four. So an examination of your driver's license privilege can be requested by doctors, law enforcement, family, and the federal. Is that true? Is that false?

The public ones don't mean, because I don't believe that. No, the public cannot. So I can. Yeah, I would go false to that one. Do I have answers for that?

Well, but law enforcement and the public cannot. Public cannot, no.

And they can always, like your family, your family can ask, but they're not going to get anywhere.

Because they've had that before. They can ask all day long.

My mother's 90, I know that. Yeah, good, good, good.

Well, but your doctor can.

well and it depends on what like seizures those are automatic so there's only a couple things that if you have a medical condition that I know of but now I'm only speaking of what I know of that you will they will almost always revoke your license and seizures is one of them memory issues memory issues is one okay good thank you so yeah and I'm not surprised on that at all that makes complete sense yes ma'am yeah can I facilitate the Alzheimer's support group

Can I get your number or something? Because that's a big issue. If you could go in and reevaluate, that would be it. Yeah, we could.

So here's when it comes to reeval. If I'm reevaluating you, it's because of a reason that I witnessed. So generally poor driving, you're in a collision, something like that. If it were just an evaluation of a person, that would be a good one for a doctor. Because simply, they can just say, these are the things that I'm concerned about, and these are the things that will affect your driving. And hopefully, that person will accept that. But otherwise, I'll get in the car, and I'll go get them later. And when I see them driving down the road crappily, then you get a real valid form from me. But I can't just do it just as a person. I have to have some driving observations of poor driving first. And if you guys want to look at it, it's very interesting. The reasons that we So yeah, but like I said, I've got the driver handbook up here. And let's see here. I got more handouts for you. But I didn't even get to because I was talking so much.

This one.

The top 10 causes of drive test failures for seniors. Good one, good one. That transportation cost worksheet that we talked about. There you go. And the resources for safe driving. That's the last one. So that I normally drag out to at least an hour, hour and a half. I hope that I gave you guys lots of good information. I hope you did learn something new today. I am talking to a very experienced crowd. So if you didn't learn anything, I would be not as surprised because I know you guys know everything. But this is just a way to make you aware. And I think that's a lot of times that people just go about their business and they're not self-evaluating either. They're just doing whatever all day. And then things just kind of slip through the cracks.

I still get tripped. You need to calm down. Good. I'll give that three seconds. That's how I give it to myself. Yes. And some asshole will make me feel like I'm going backwards. And there's nothing we can do about it.

Nope. We're not getting road rage out there. I can attest to it. I have to put myself in check all the time. All the time. Because I don't understand how you're still driving.

There was an incident where I was driving an ambulance and they were going code 2. I wanted to go code 3, but they said they wouldn't go code 3 because it's scarce on the freeway to move. We were going from then to Stanford Hospital. Okay. And they didn't go code three because it scared people. But they went like, you know, with lights.

I can understand it, but I also don't care. And it's generally, and obviously you weren't bad enough that they had you.

Well, we technically were.

Oh, because I was like, well. If I need to get, and it doesn't matter if I get somewhere, if you were in a crash, you want me there as soon as possible. So I will get there as soon as possible. I understand that you are in a terrible experience. Most people get in crashes like once in their life. So it's extremely traumatic for most people. So I want to make sure that I get there as soon as possible. If it was something that I'm responding to assist my partner or another agency, you better damn well know I'll push you out of the way. Get out of the way. But again, that comes with paying attention and the distracted driving. And that's really big now because the distracted driving is so prevalent that most people are not looking around them at all. They have no idea what's on their left and right. They have no idea what's behind them. And so I think that that's a big problem. When I drive, I know what's around me all the time. If I need to change lanes, I need to make sure I have an out. I don't drive next to cars ever. I want to make sure, especially big roads, I want to make sure that I can go left or right if I need to. I leave plenty of space in front of me because people are idiots and they don't know how to drive. So I also give myself plenty of space. We've been coming to a stop. And as a matter of fact, two weeks ago, three weeks ago, I was on Pioneer where they're doing the construction. And I was the second car stopped and the car behind me got rear-ended. And I was like, huh? But that, again, I'm sorry to laugh. But the person who got hit, got out of the car was like, Oh, easy. Calm down. Calm down. It's a collision. It's just collision. But I mean, things happen and people make mistakes, but you know, just, we try to mitigate those mistakes as much as possible. And we try to educate people as much as possible on how to avoid things like that. So I appreciate your guys' time. Thank you for letting me go over. Thank you. We do have a long .

At this time, we do need to open up the public comments.

We'll only talk a little bit more, as you see.

I have no problem talking. But yeah, you have my card. You have all my contact info. I didn't give you my card.

I thought I gave you one like the first time.

Uh, honestly, I will. Okay. Well, I'll give you one and then I'll leave the rest right here.

You guys can buy a short version and not to get an okay for our insurance.

No.

Say yes.

I did go over the whole thing with you. All right. Send me a list of everybody who's here.

You guys. Yeah.

I've taken the trip. The, uh, And how was it? It was eight hours. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, good.

Well, I like that. And I love that you guys came. Thank you for participating as well. And if you need the actual, I'm going to reach out to Kelly Ridge and the other one.

Change names.

The one by Barton.

Senior flowers of

Yeah. Did that one change names?

Okay, good.

Okay. So I will definitely get out there because it's been three years since I've done it at either one of those places, but I will put on the full thing for anybody else to go for that. So if you guys would like me to do the full version for anything else, by all means, let me know. There's my card. And otherwise, if you don't get a card, take a picture of it front and back because it's got information on the back too. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I will get out of your way.

Oh, wait. We have public comment. Oh, yeah. Public comment from the room. Participants will have three minutes. Please finally state your name for the record.

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I've met with Greg a couple times, and we've had some conversations, yes.

Okay. Anything that you'd like to tell us about?

I think it's issues that we've been talking about before, so now I'm thinking so.

Thank you. Thank you. Linda's not... Liz?

I will be meeting with my supervisor next.

Hi, my supervisor and we are in the process still of presenting and invoking more action for the senior center here in Nahuatl, which is going in a good path. They seem to have been presented with a contract from the city. The county is still in process. Okay, perfect. Also, we are... I do? Okay, perfect. Then we'll just leave it there and I'll make my note because there is something else. So everything's on the move. Okay.

Great, thank you. John, city of Southerly Crown.

Well, we're a free world effort. That's all right, thank you.

Okay, John, thank you. Any other commissioners? Anything of such sense to report from being out in the community? Wonderful. Public comments? We don't need it.

Oh, we don't need it. Jim?

Beth is here. I know, I know.

Beth, our guest, or no, we've already done the guest speaker. We are going to, we have a special section on our agenda where we are having various people on the staff introduce themselves and what they do. This is in lieu of going around the offices. Beth, tell us about AMI and your job here.

So I'm Beth Marino. I work for Colorado County Information Assistance, a program assistant, and I consider myself a referral service for seniors. So seniors call me with needs, housing, food, activities, senior nutrition, any of that, senior legal issues. and I refer them out to the services that they might need. I work out of the Placerville office all week except for on Thursdays. I come up here and I have appointments and meetings from 10.30 to 12 every Thursday and every week so that we can meet the needs of the community in South Lake Tahoe.

Okay. You've been doing that for how long? I'm sorry. So when people call in for information or assistance, are you usually the one that will be answering?

Yeah, I'm always the one who answers. For the most part, maybe I have a few other people in our office that help with folks. But yeah, it usually goes through me.

We'll get public comments if you're on the set here.

We needed the senior center. Okay. Okay.

Any other questions? Questions or comments from the commissioners?

I can't do anything else. Public comments. We're asking for public comments from the room. Participants will have 30 minutes to provide their comments. Please raise your hand if you're interested in commenting.

Go ahead.

Mary Morgan, the executive director of the South Lake Tahoe Senior Center. I do revert probably 80% of the calls that I get to you, but I have never seen you in the center on Thursday. The legal comes on Wednesdays, but I've never seen you guys at the senior center. And I think that's wonderful, and I would love to have you there for sure. So I'm not sure where you're going.

So originally we were coming in the afternoon. I was coming up after the seniors had eaten. That was our original schedule, but we realized recently that that wasn't serving the senior population up here. So we just recently, I think within the last month, well, the last couple of weeks switched my schedule from coming in the afternoons to the mornings so that we can better serve and so that I can be seen by the seniors.

And are you using one of our rooms?

Yeah, we have. We have the room. I don't know the name of it in the back corner we use. And so you meet where legal is.

We're legal.

Yeah, I believe so. Yeah.

Okay. And I'm sorry. I'm just not seeing you there.

I know. I realized that was the problem.

So that's why we switched our hours. Yeah. Thank you. Of course.

So that's good. That's me.

I'm sorry. What did you say? We won. There should be. Okay. Let me call it. I will bring them in. Online.

Any public comments?

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OK. Moving right along then, we will go to the AAA Area Agency on Aging. I've said that enough that I can see it. It's not an easy one. It's not just Twister.

And are you, who's going to give the report?

Hello, can you hear me okay?

Yes.

Okay, perfect. I have a number of updates. I know we're probably a little bit behind schedule, so let me go fast. Yvette retired, so our manager is vacant. We have a new senior services manager. We have a new office assistant starting in senior nutrition on Monday. That's the 21st. We do have a candidate in background for our limited term program coordinator position in South Lake Tahoe. So I'm hoping that next time we meet, I can announce that we have a staff person. We have a new meal site coordinator that started in South Lake Tahoe, and we also have a new meal site coordinator that started in Placerville. We have a second, and these are all senior nutrition positions. We have a second, or we've interviewed for another meal site coordinator in Placerville. Brittany's checking references now, so we may be making an offer. In senior daycare, our supervisor is retiring. We have a program assistant that retired on Friday. One of our program aides last day is on Wednesday. We do have a new program aide that started on August 24th. And I just want to say she's not with us today, but Janet, who I think is a special advocate, is also a really special volunteer. She's just lovely at senior daycare. So it's been... She's just...

She's just a gem, and she's over there today, so that's not why she's with us.

We need some volunteers for our senior nutrition routes, home-delivered meal routes in South Lake Tahoe, especially on Tuesdays. So if you know anyone that's interested in volunteering on Tuesdays from 10 a.m. to noon, that would be great. We could also use some folks in South Lake Tahoe to help us pack Monday through Friday starting at 7.30 a.m. to 10, so if you have any early risers. And then once we move our senior nutrition service over to the new rec center and aquatic center, we could use someone to help us with client check-ins at the front desk. So if you know of interested folks in South Lake Tahoe who would like to volunteer, please reach out to Andrea Muzzino's new nutrition program. Tina and I will be attending the C4A conference in November. I'll be attending as the AAA director and Tita will be there for TAC. And then she and I will coordinate closer to the time to make certain we cover as much ground as we can and bring back best practices and information for our agency. And the agenda on that is for release. It looks really good. It looks like a good conference. I'll be attending a C4A board member at the beginning of it. And then there's a lot of great content. So I know that we're both really looking forward to attending that. We have a number of contracts that have been renewed or signed. Thank goodness our Colette travel contract finally got renewed. So that's just great because that's a revenue source for the county for our programs. Bingo size. We finally got that going. So that was a bit of a process. But Talese and her crew will be doing the training so we can start offering bingo size again. We'll start in Placerville and then we will offer bingo size in South Lake Tahoe. But because it's a multi-week program, twice a week, we're going to wait until after the snow in South Lake Tahoe. So we'll start that in the spring in South Lake Tahoe because you need to run it consecutively. And so we want to make certain we have plenty of time with decent weather to do that. We're also offering our family caregiver support programs, offering a couple daily. seminars, one in Placerville, one in South Lake Tahoe. Denise, you haven't seen your email, so our room did get confirmed for South Lake Tahoe, but that is a seminar on aging, and it's in collaboration with our senior legal and the Alzheimer's Association. So it's going to be offered in Placerville here at the Senior Center October 21st from 1.30 to 3, and it'll be offered in South Lake Tahoe on October 30th at the New Reckon Aquatic Center in the community room. from 1 p.m. to 2.30 p.m. There are flyer, there will be a flyer out for the South Lake Tahoe, and there is one out for Placerville. It's really nice. There's a QR code you can register. The seminar is free, but we are asking for preregistration just so we have a sense of who's coming, or not who, but how many are coming. LIHEAP, we have additional funds, so we're accepting applications. So if you know of folks who could use some energy assistance and haven't already received it this year, please let them know that we do have funding available. Our Community Action Council has recommended that we use our discretionary CSBG funds to do some fall prevention work and then some outreach for our NANA program. We know that Young's an important program and that people see it as a program that they'd like to access. But we also know that, you know, We need to do a little marketing of that program to get the word out for folks. So that's great of the CAC to direct that. We don't have those funds yet. We've been told we're going to receive them, $29,600. We haven't received them. We are working to secure a contractor who can do the fall prevention. And then once we have those funds, we'll get moving. And finally... Rebecca Johnson, who's not with us today, cause she's, um, she has some work that she's working on. She is leaving us. Um, and her last day will be October 2nd. Um, that's Friday. So that's two more weeks. Um, and so, um, you know, I know that, um, she would love to be here with you today, but she did ask that I share with you that, um, her final day with us is October 2nd. Yeah. And I know that she'd worked with a number of you over the years. So, um, I'm sure she would appreciate if any of you wanted to reach out to her. So that's it from my report. And then Tim Lynn will provide the HHSA agency report.

Yeah. So for the HHSA report, we do have a board item that's going to go to the Board of Supervisors on September 29th. And in that board item, it will include the move for county services to move from the existing senior center over to the new rec center. So that will be the senior nutrition program, information and assistance, senior legal, um, the bingo size, um, and the, um, mini series. Yes. I'm like, what is that called? The mini series that INA puts on, um, So we anticipate that the board will, because the way the agreement is written right now, the county has the option to continue services at the existing senior center. We don't have the funds to put into the building. So we are revanguishing our right to continue service at that building, at that board item. And so then we've begun working to schedule movers to get, there's some of the equipment that is, the senior center is going to go over um some is going to go to a few other places um so we're working with the movers to identify a date we're hopeful that the date will be before the snow falls um because you know that gets tricky so we're hoping in october um that we will transition from the existing senior center over to the rec center and we don't have a concrete date at this time The other item that is going is a senior day item, unfortunately. So the senior day, our staff have worked tremendously hard since the last time this was a touchy subject. And they put together and performed an entire outreach campaign. And we're not seeing positive results. because due to their efforts. The average daily attendance right now is still only at 12. We need it to be at 24 to 32 in order for it to be somewhat self-sustaining. Right now, the general fund cost to support only 12 members a day is about $60,000 per member. So the CAO's office is going to be recommending that the senior day program close. It is awful, and it is by no means a reflection of the staff. They have worked so hard to try and get the word out there, to get membership up, and it's been so challenging because we pick up a couple members, and then we lose a couple members. There's a couple of places. I know this only pertains to the West Slope. There are a couple of places on the West Slope. There's only one now. There's the one in El Dorado Hills that opened right at the same time that we closed the El Dorado Hills Center. There's one in Shingle Springs that has licensure pending. And then there's another one in El Dorado Hills that our ombudsman is working closely with for their opening. So we're hoping if the board does go with the recommendation to close the site, that they will give us time to help members, the existing members, find somewhere to go. We kind of are a little bit out of options. And given the cost, the general fund contribution, and the unfunded mandates that are coming with HR1 and those things, that are mandatory public assistance programs, we're likely going to need general fund assistance for those programs. So it's a tough decision for the board to make. I don't know what they'll do. I mean, I think the numbers are very disheartening.

Is it transportation or just, you know, there's a lot of,

senior day places across the state that are closing. I don't believe it's a transportation issue. We haven't heard that it's a transportation issue. I don't know. I feel like saying that there's not a need isn't right. I don't know if it's that people have found alternative solutions. I don't know why they're not coming. We know we're an aging population. Our staff have done the outreach. They've gone to I think every doctor's office you can think of on the West slope, the hospitals, law enforcement, fire, community, any community centers, community boards, anywhere that you can think of where an elderly person or someone that's caring for an elderly person might visit, they've gone and they've done in-person meetings to get the word out and given flyers. And we're not seeing an increase in people coming through the door. So that's the bad news. Tim, when? It's on September 29th, and it's going to be the board meeting on September 29th is in Tahoe. So it'll be up here. Yes, it will. You can log in via Zoom. But remember, the way the board... meetings are structured now, the public comment goes at the beginning. So you won't be able to comment when the item is discussed by the board. If someone chooses to comment, I just want you to remember that.

Can it be written in?

Yeah, public comment can be sent in via writing. And you can call in and you can have your turn at public comment via Zoom. Just remember, the structure now is different. So because this will be a department matter, and I don't know if it's time certain. I haven't heard. HHSA is not bringing this item. The DAO's office is bringing it. I will be there, of course, in case there's questions or anything. And everybody that won't be there will be watching, obviously. But normally at a department, I shouldn't say normally. The previous structure, when there was a department matter, the board would discuss the department matter, and then the community could comment. Now, all department matters, public comment is taken after public comment for the consent calendar. So your best bet is log in at 9 o'clock, and if you want to speak, be prepared to speak at the beginning of the board meeting.

And what's the interest? I don't know.

I am. And I actually, I've seen the PowerPoint that's going and there's not a timeline in there. I believe that's something that will be discussed during the item to determine how long should we continue to serve. I want one more thing. And I'll take a question. I said we're averaging 12 members a day, but I want to clarify, we have 26 enrolled members and the daily attendance is averaged at 12. So it's 26 families currently that would potentially be impacted. Okay. Sorry, Elizabeth.

I forgot my question. Oh, there's no chance I'll go on the consent calendar. No, no.

I just had a comment. I have talked to a lot of people about senior daycare and people that I know are taking care of someone or know someone. And it sounds great, but then the person doesn't want to go, right? That is the learning. They just can't get that person to go. It's like, oh, it'd be perfect for them.

Yeah. Yes, I agree. Yes.

I think Raylene's trying to raise her hand. OK.

I was wondering, I'd really like to know what is the net cost Because I would like to know what the expense is, which you've shared a little bit. But I'd also like to know what the income is for that particular program. So I'd like to know the bottom line total expense to the county as opposed to just the cost.

The total expense to the county is roughly $700,000 in general fund.

And how much is the income?

I don't know. my head.

But we'd have to offset that to find out the actual cost of the program, right?

No, no, no. That is with the offset of the membership income. Because the only offset is membership income.

Right. And I was wondering, so then, if the expense is $700, so then that's not the total expense. The expense is higher than that. The total operational cost for the program?

I don't know. Okay, yeah, I can get that. In fact, we can move on, and then I can come back and get it. I just need to go get my computer. I have it. I just don't know it off the top of my head.

Okay, I would like to see that.

Yeah, I'll get it for you.

We need to have a better understanding of what we're talking about in actual dollars.

Tim, I just wanted to add to what you said. I have spoken with the senior daycare staff. And I've called and spoken to or left a message for all families or caregivers of the members. And I, you know, I've asked everyone who I haven't spoken to to give me a call back. So I've had very good conversations with everyone. And, you know, we wanted them to know that this item was coming as well.

And then the only other thing that I'll say from an agency standpoint, because I know we generally give staffing updates, is our assistant director of admin and finance, Kimmy McAdams, left our agency. So yesterday was her last day. So we are recruiting for a new assistant director. Wow. We lost a lot.

Sorry. We'll get there.

We will. So did you kind of blend your presentation, everything? It's one item. Everything is all together? Yes, yes.

And the reason that, oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.

No, I'm just trying to figure out where we are on the agenda now.

So the reason that it will not go on the consent calendar is because the board has to provide direction to push control of the building in South Lake Tahoe and then also has to provide direction on senior day. Or I shouldn't say have to. we are asking that those are the decisions that need to be made. They could choose to say, you know, do X, Y, Z, and come back in this time for either of those two items. But that there has to be direction, some type of direction given from the court so it can't be all of a sudden.

Okay. Should we go to the meeting?

Brittany has one more question.

I guess since this is a budget item for next year, Why are we doing it so early in September?

It is not a budget item for next year. It is a situation where we have worked very hard to try and increase membership, and that has not been successful. The supervisor is retiring. The program assistant retired. So we were... In a situation where we were down, oh, and any that retired, we were down to two staff members with senior day. And part of what initiated the conversation is what do we do? If we have put all of this effort into it for a year and a half, we've not seen the increase. At this point, we have two remaining staff members, both of which would be able to be retired. reassigned to other positions. They would be able to laterally transfer if the direction is that the board would close the day site. We would be able to find them landing positions. If we were to, and this is part of the conversation, if we recruit and get back up to staff and continue our efforts and we end up in the same place at budget, we then have staff that would not have the ability to transfer. There is no other supervising adult day position in the county. So if we recruit a supervisor, and unfortunately that's what happened in El Dorado Hills, we had hired a supervisor and then when we made the decision, the board made the decision to close the site, didn't have anywhere that she could transfer thankfully she found another job before the site was closed and so she didn't end up without a job um but so that's part of what brought the conversation up right now is we're in a pretty critical spot right here i would hate to bring on four new employees and have four new employees that lost their job in six months i don't want to do that is it possible to outsource family Well, yes, it is possible to outsource. However, it's not a mandated program. So there's no obligation to do that. And so these are all the things that the board is going to be talking about. Do you want to subsidize the existing members if we help find placement for them? If the cost is more than the current cost, do we want to subsidize? If we subsidize, for how long? What would that look like? Is there a vendor that would partner with us that would want to run it? Those are things, because we can't start anything like that until our board gives us direction to look into those options. And those options are presented. They're in the PowerPoint, but I should have explained that better. But I do know that the CAO's recommendation, and it does say it in the PowerPoint, is that they close the site.

With the new administration at the Marshall Hospital, and I know that Martinette Whistle has got a real focus on rural health promotion, would you look at a collaboration with them? If the board directs us to. That might be a suggestion.

Yeah, I... My understanding is that that's been an avenue that's been explored and there wasn't a lot of interest. But again, different times. And it may very well be that the board says, okay, relinquish the building in Tahoe, senior nutrition, senior services, county-operated senior services moves to the rec center for this senior day item. staff go back and look at this, this, this, and this, and then bring it back in a couple of months.

It may very well be that. So it might behoove those of us who are representing supervisors to get to them, either formally or informally, with suggestions and ideas that they can entertain. If you have them, yes.

Yeah. We'll do that. Raylene? Anybody else in up or down?

Anyone in the room want to say anything?

What was that? Tia. So this is Tia, and I am speaking as an individual, not for the Commission on Aging. My thoughts on being proactive and trying to save precious resource dollars and also precious resource staff from further cuts. Is that this is a non mandated program? It's an issue of, you know, trying to provide broad services across the county to as many citizens as possible. My thoughts are the mandated programs are what we are here for as a public agency and also as a commissioner on the COA. That is our oversight is the mandated programs as outlined by the Older Americans Act. So I do applaud the fact that you guys are looking at the overall impact of people retiring, the fact that the club is not at maximum headcount to leverage the fixed costs that are in place for it. So that's basically my thoughts. Thank you.

Thank you, Tina. Any other commissioners? I'm just kind of sitting here thinking, I wonder where that money that's being saved is going to go. Hopefully it'll go to a senior service. Public comment?

No, we still have.

Okay, let's do Denise, and then we'll go to public comment section.

I think Lynette hit the majority of things. Bingo size is going. We're going to get it going in Placerville, springtime up here. Farmer's market is going well. We still have some, I think it's at the end of the 30th. So if you know folks that want some of the cards for that, I can still issue them out until the 30th of this month. I think that we're, yeah, just getting back in collaboration with the Alzheimer's Association that is going well. So far we have about 14 or 15 folks signed up for that class. Um, and I feel like there's still going to be more. We got that, um, out on Facebook and a mass email. So we will, now that we are solidified in the rec center, I'll be getting that out via email, Facebook, getting that out. Um, and so if you would like me to also email you the flyer, I can do that. And you guys can get those, um, Also distributed out up here for top.

Can you do that job. yeah. I know you're the flyer man so.

You handle. Any other staff comments. Any other stuff I mean mission comments. Okay, any other staff reports, no.

Now we can open up with comments now taking public comments. from the room. You know that participants have three minutes to provide their public comment. Please raise your hand if you're interested and state your name for the record.

Here in the majority present probably some senior citizens. There were two things about that I was concerned about. They mentioned the bingo. Are they going to try to do bingo in the new rec center?

No.

What's the bingo exercise?

It's called bingo size. So it's they play bingo but then During while we're playing bingo, we stop and we do fall prevention.

I just wanted to clarify. The other question I had was to you guys. Is there an actual date that they'll start arranging to move the nutrition?

No, because we have to get direction from our board.

Okay, that's okay. Thank you.

Yes. Judy Morgan, Executive Secretary of the South Idaho Senior Center. Jim, I do have a question in regards to the movie. Yeah. Being as there is your stuff and our stuff in there, we would like to make sure that we're in there when all of this kind of thing is happening so that our stuff stays and so on.

Okay, we can talk about that. Yeah. I think the only stuff that we're taking is our kitchen equipment. Okay. That's the only stuff that's county-owned. Most of that is all city-owned. Okay. Yeah, the conference system in that one

room. There's a television in there.

Yeah. And the video equipment that is with it. Yeah. Yeah. We're taking it to our legal office. So the scrolls, maybe? The gas stove? I don't know the inventory on what's ours, right?

There's a stove that's owned by the city. Okay. Okay. Yep. And then we're also taking, you know, our printer, our filing cabinets, those things. Yep. Yep.

Makes sense. Those make sense. Our concern is that when we take over the building, when you guys are gone, we'd like to be able to operate the kitchen, too, for certain functions. And we heard one time there was a possibility that... Let's take this offline.

I can stay after and talk to you guys. Let's do that, okay? Just so that they can keep going with their agenda. Is that okay? Okay, yeah.

We have a public comments room online.

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Seeing none and being that we're all seniors, I think it's time for a break. Thank you. Let's do a quick 10 minute. Glasserville thanks you. Oh, my. It would be great if you guys could move forward in that room. We can hardly see it. But they are back there. OK. We're moving on to commission and committee reports. And the executive committee is the first item. And that is me. And I do not exactly, I don't have a report right now. So let us move on to policy and legislation. Either cheetah or what do you mean? Must be a cheetah.

Oh, they're muted. Can you mute? I'm trying to do it. Oh, there's Eric. She's so cute.

We're trying. So anyway, I'll give you a report on the senior legislature. We have our list of policies that we are going to prioritize and vote on at the end of October. So at that point in time, we will have our top 10 list of policies that we will go around and solicit support from the standing assembly and Senate, the California legislature. And what that entails is us talking and setting up meetings with assembly people and senators to explain the different proposals that we have written And it's already ready to roll because we've had staff from the state of California that volunteer their time to put it into legislative language. So if we do get a assembly person or a senator that agrees with that policy, they can pretty much plug and play with it. But typically what happens is if they're interested in that policy, they may make their own amendments, especially as it goes through different committees and different questionings. The original policy becomes that senator's or assembly person's project, and the end result, we never know until it finally makes it out of committee. And typically we're happy if one or two or three of our policies make it to the governor's desk. But we're basically at the point where we have our proposals together and we're gonna prioritize them in October. And then November through January, we will meet with the standing assembly and senators to see who might pick up one of our proposals. It also gives us an opportunity to tell the standing legislature if they have any policy or proposals that they are proposing that affect older adults, we can also support them in their efforts. So it's a really good exchange from our perspective and from their perspective to enlist us to be advocates and them as our advocates.

Thank you, Chita. Raylene, did you have anything to add?

Oh, I can just tell you that two of the bills that we worked on this year, I don't know if you mentioned that, but we had some success. The bill that I testified on regarding jury excuses from folks over 80 that passed, the governor did sign it, which is really a big deal. when he signs it. And then another one of ours that was our actual proposal, it is waiting for his signature. So we're a little optimistic he's gonna sign. So, had some success this year.

What was the second proposal?

It's a proposal that our staff gave us and it is, the Healthy Community Partnership Program that was ours. And it's kind of a lengthy discussion. If you want me to tell you what it is, I can. I don't really understand what it's about, but it was called the Healthy Aging Community Partnership Program. And hopefully we'll see that sign.

Great. Thank you. Who's in the back there? Jenna.

Who?

Jenna. Okay. Oh, Jenna. Hi.

You can't see them.

You can't. They've got a fisheye lens on them. Okay. Outreach and events. Liz, do you have anything to... It says outreach and financial issues. I don't know. Okay.

We are looking forward to collaborating with Denise and Beth as soon as everybody gets back from their vacation. Oh, no.

Honeymoon.

Honeymoon. Okay. Did the date get set for your presentation to the Community Action Council?

It did, and then it got canceled and changed, so I'm not sure what it is now, if it will happen. Okay. But it was canceled for some reason, and we'll have to, I don't know who will be coordinating it now that Rebecca's leaving. So we'll have to wait. Oh, yeah.

Liz, I missed coordinating what?

I was to give a presentation on the COA at the CAC.

Oh, okay. I'll reach out to you on that. Thank you. Thank you.

Get my acronym straight. I try to say the whole thing. I practice it. Jim, how are things going in housing?

Busy week. The second Monday and the third Thursday fall on the same week this week. So Monday we had our housing committee Zoom meeting, which we discussed a couple things. Tuesday I joined Joan and some others at the board for the presentation on the COA for the board. And I had sent a letter, if you will, a comment. I sent in comments, written comments, because I wasn't sure I would be able to talk. So I made sure they all got it and got a response from a couple of the, well, got a written response from a couple of the board members that actually talked to Supervisor Harlan there. So that was informative. And then I'm here today also, We've been doing the housing for about five years. In the last couple of years, we started advocating for seniors for exercise equipment and wider trails whenever the county builds a park. So this meeting today, they're looking at kind of their 2006, 2007 initiatives on two spots that were relative to where I can say, okay, you're saying you're going to do that.

Here's your chance to look at, with a lot of statistics,

Other than that, not a lot going on in the building stuff. A lot of stuff's being built. We don't have any new stuff coming online that I'm aware of. So that's about all I got.

Well, it's a lot.

All in one week, see.

I might add that I was just telling Julie that I went to a presentation by Engage, and it was a discussion on housing and transportation and how Their survey is really showing that it's really important that we pay attention to transportation avenues in new construction and housing availability. It's going to be more and more as those baby boomers fill in the whole elderly age gap in about 30 years. Thank you. I happen to be in the spirit of this. Okay. I lost my agenda. Because the next item is what? Self-advocacy.

You just don't want me to talk.

A brief report about what's going on is how technically Tom and Liz would be ready. Oh, exactly.

Jim, thank you so much for your contentious work and everything that you do and pay attention to. You were brought up into my conversation at lunch, so it was a good conversation. Just wanted to share that with you. Okay. Okay, perfect. So I just want to say there after meeting with Brooke, I informed her of what I was doing personally to assist in what we do here in the room. I can give you the information now or unless you don't want me to say it, but I'm going to help alleviate with Timlin and the senior center here. We're going to, I will be your liaison with John. to get this transition taken care of easier. I would like to also follow up by saying VOWS is not dead. It is a trust fund of which I'm funding with grants and estate funding, which right now on record, there's a little over 4 million.

What is that? That's on my personal level. What is the organization?

VOWS. That's what I started before. Voices of Wise Seniors. So it's not that I'm not active anymore. I'm doing stuff for the program behind the scenes. And Brooke is well aware of that. So just wanted to put that out there. I have also served on the other side of this, a public notice of liability to our county. The executive branch of the recorder and the executive board of supervisors. I gave Brooke a copy of that. And she is elated because she's having issues within the board. As you know, everything is crazy politicians and it puts them on notice that they got to do work for the people, not their own narratives or agendas, or you will be prosecuted. period. Yes. So I haven't had any feedback or any response on that, but I didn't expect to, but they've been notified. So just putting that out there also. Okay, Brooke and I also discussed, like we had said before in a previous meeting, about looking into seized assets as recovery for the programs coming back. So we did discuss that as well. Just letting you know that's on the table. Building upgrades. Here's where the question is. There were two reports for the senior center providing for upgrades on the building. One was an atrocious amount, which was not legal or nullified. It was just somebody's perspective. The second one was actually from a legal person and it was way, way less. It was half the amount within a 10 year period. So the building is not tear downable. It's just needs some tender loving care. So we are well aware of that. And I have been meeting with the city council as well. Keith and I are breakfast buddies. Brooke and I are lunch buddies. So yeah, I may not attend all these meetings, but believe me, like Jim, behind the scenes, I've got a lot going on for the programs. Need somebody for dinner? Yeah, because I don't see my husband, so I'll throw somebody in there. So just know that I am active and working on a lot of things, and I just wanted to shed light on that. So Tim, please feel free to send me your list and you have it. Thank you. And you send me your list because I have restaurants equipment that I will donate to Senior Inc. We have a list of whatever the repairs are.

I've been requesting it.

I have that and I promised Keith I would put that out because that's what they're doing right now is going over the two and they're discussing the

The politics of it all. So my reasoning is, our lease says we're taking the building as it is. Yes. So it would be nice to know what may be the repairs.

And it's good. It's good. It's a positive reinforcement. That's why there's two.

I made a step in that direction, too.

Excuse me.

We're out of order.

Yeah, I'm sorry. Done. Yeah, I would like this, too, because I can help do fundraising for everything. Yes. Yes. It's good for planning. That's what I've been telling you.

Don't answer your emails, buddy.

Way nice on the Santa.

Right? That's what I'm trying to do. Absolutely.

We would like to see you more.

We can only meet once a month. Okay, but here's the thing. When I've got to do a Zoom, I can't be in two spots at once. And I'm dealing with the states and trusts from all over the United States. So when they say, we need you to attend, I'm like, okay. So don't take my absence as a lack of is what I'm trying to express to everybody. Thank you very much. Well, at least give us a river. You know what? And I totally felt bad because I was like, I shouldn't have done that, but whatever. In my spare time.

Okay. Well, let's move on with the agenda. I'm ad hoc membership committee. I can't remember. I think Bob was involved in that. And a letter or a Did you did you send this to everybody.

I sent the press release that we had previously use to you and Julie, because you're the membership for your review to see if you want to Besides the update on the date to see if you want to make changes. On Bob has sent me a response, letting me know that you'd like the paragraphs flipped. So I will do that and then send it back out. See if you have anything else. Okay, so there's been action.

This will put her name to the quote in there. Yeah, so after. Okay. Thanks. Okay. I turned my page. Revenue generating. Gail is not here. And I'm also sitting in the back. And Janet's not here either. So I'm here, but we haven't had a chance to get together yet. Moving right along. Bylaws and policies. It's been a really tough month. And we really haven't gathered yet. been able to, I think things are going to settle down now that we're past summer and travel. So we're looking at getting back into that. It's very difficult trying to match three to four different, well, not only schedules, but pieces of governing and have it all conform and be coordinated. but we will be setting time aside for that in this next month. Behavioral health. I was not able to attend the meeting last night. I looked over the agenda and I didn't see anything wrong that was related to us. It's the one we talked about.

The one we talked about. Actually, I talked to me for focus and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, I missed one? That's before behavior. Okay.

Revenue, or...

for those that are paying attention.

Why is she watching?

What's the one before that? I hope she didn't. You just passed it. You started talking about behavioral health.

You needed to mention. Ad hoc committee to focus on 27, 28 budget items, monitoring this thing, all that, blah, blah, blah. Is it on yours?

It could be on yours.

It is on yours.

I'm on through many reports.

OK, throw it over to Beth.

It's the one right above behavior. The biggest one.

Oh, all of this. Yes. Yeah.

I'm very interested in that.

Whatever it is. Speak to her. Who was on that committee?

Julie, were you part of that? And Raylene is part of that. And I believe Jerida is part of that.

Do you have a... Joe! Joe! Joe! Tita and Raylene and Jenna here, we're that committee as of now. We have met. We do have a first steps action plan, which basically we want to bring forth our action plan first steps in the October meeting as an agenda item. But essentially what we're going to start out with is we want to go to the folks in AAA and HHSA and start with what is the budget now or what is the, how much funding does it take to currently fund the program as of the 26, 27 budget? And we are going to focus on senior legal because that was one of the programs that was discussed back at the, I think the April board meeting. So basically the three of us have met We're formulating an action plan, and we're going to first start out with seeking understanding and information, and we're going to need the help of Tim Olin and Lynette. So that's basically where we're at. We'll have a better defined plan to go forward with at the October meeting. Once the budget for 27 and 28 gets approved, more talked about, I'm sure we're going to enlist more members. I also saw in the meeting for next week that there's going to be two BOS members assigned to start talking about the 27-28 budget. I saw that as something, I don't know if it was in the consent calendar or what, but I guess there's going to be two board of supervisors that are going to be sort of championing or being part of that.

27-28 discussion. Kicking off the... Kicking it off, yeah.

So in as much as those two board supervisors that get assigned to that 27-28 budget discussion, hopefully we'll have a commissioner for those, under those supervisors, so there'll be another avenue of conversation that we can also utilize. That's a...

Is that it? Yes. Thank you. Jim, did you have a question?

No, I'm just glad we didn't pass that up.

Good information. Thank you, too. All right.

Well, public comment. Now taking public comment from the room. Participants will have three minutes to comment. Please voluntarily state your name for the record.

Okay.

Okay, Gary majority of the president DBSC. I just want to let Maureen know, Tim, I had talked to the fire department. I was getting an inspection on the building. I thought that was necessary since we're going to be taking over as is. Make sure there's no major violations there.

Thank you for that, Chair. Thank you for that share.

Yeah. Any other comments about on Zoom?

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Nope. Seeing none, we will proceed with item 26-1529. which is the recap of our presentation on Tuesday to the Board of Supervisors. I know I made a big deal out of it. And it went really well. And there are a lot of discussions that are coming out of some of the discussions that were there. And pointed out some of the... items that we need to actually focus on a little bit more. All I can say is that I am so grateful to the team that we're working with here. There were almost enough of us to be a quorum, six members that showed up. And Julie would have been there, but she was not feeling well. And then online, I believe Raylene was online also. So we definitely did have a group that could have been a quorum. John, thank you for coming down. Thank you. I appreciate the trip and the support. What I've heard is it went really well. And they were very receptive. And they were very kind. And that's easier now.

Any other comments? I just wanted to thank Lynette for stepping up and commenting on when the supervisor made the thing about aging in place about her supporting the AAA programs for those people who are aging in place. We did not want to give the impression that there was nothing going on. The whole focus, a lot of the focus for AAA is on aging in place and supporting seniors who have no alternatives or cannot afford to go into the congregate living kinds of situations. So thank you, Lynette, for stepping up and doing that.

And thank you for being there. You were my backbone. There was a lot of discussion about housing. And there was some discussion that came out of that about the senior legislature. And there's going to be more discussions about that coming up. really very, very, very soon.

Yeah, I was going to say, can I add something? I did talk to Brooke later that day, and she's very interested in learning more. And so I know some of us had talked about it, but next year's presentation, I think it would be a really good idea to have a slide devoted to the work that's happening with the legislator. I know Brooke is very interested in that and just hearing what it is that you guys do. Tita, I know you, I think it was offline, were giving some information, but we really want to make sure that we highlight that in the public forum, because it's really important, and I don't think many people realize that that advocacy is happening. Very good, yeah.

I do. going back and forth also. So, yeah, she is very engaged. Yes. Thank goodness. And Tita and I, Tita, are you still there?

No, Tita had to leave the room. She left a few minutes ago, but Raylene is here.

But I'm here, and I think that Tita told me about this, and I think that we're very excited to talk, you know, make a connection with the board and with everybody else, including the commission. to let them know what we can do and how we can work together. And that's, I think, a big step that hasn't necessarily happened. But if we see the county has an issue, we can take it and look at it and try to put a proposal together and see what we can do that might affect the county. So it's a great opportunity. Door's open. So we're going to walk right in.

And Raylene, to your point, you know, so far it's just been, you know, information coming to us. This is an opportunity for us as a county to maybe give some information to the legislature, ideas of legislation that we would like to see and that is relevant to the seniors. Yeah. Julie.

I just wanted to say thank you to you. I know that you stressed about this a lot.

Yeah, we had a big deal.

You did a great job. And I think, like you just said, giving information the other direction to the board, it was very successful. So thank you for all that you do.

Well, and to the board and taking information from our county via the board, or via us, to the legislature is what we're looking to get . Hi, Jim.

She looks this way and she can still see me. I just wanted to say to say, for those of you that don't know, we did not do this last year.

Joan did not get an opportunity to go through this. So this was her first time up before the board and she did study and she did very well.

She represented us very well and We got kudos from the board right there. They were happy to see us. I think one comment was what a way to start off the day, because there was a number of, we were the first out of like six or seven. So we got some great kudos. So kudos to you for the hard work.

Thank you. And back at you, because I couldn't have done it without you and your support there. And Bob, yours, you went before me and you set bar high. So I was following that. There was something I, oh, I know Tina and I talked about, we're going to be talking with, hopefully with Lynette and Timla about, she's going to solicit some way to get some kind of a bullet form of the whole process. And Raylene, you described it to me the other day, it took about 45 minutes. So we're going to try to figure out how to cut it down into bite-sized pieces and put something together to just in a letter form to the board of supervisors. Oh, as a follow-up. That's a great idea. Yeah. And that's going to happen before. And then the next thing will be when there are a couple of pieces of legislation that look interesting to the commission, kind of via Raylene and Tina, we will be asked to support them as a commission and take that to the board. And then that could probably open up another full discussion at a board of supervisors meeting. So anyway, great job, you guys, all of you, thank you.

I think that, thank you, John, for opening the door for us because I think we've been here a long time and now we're getting that door open. And if everybody jumps on board the train, we can maybe do something that will impact the county in a positive way. So really looking forward to that. So thanks for opening the door.

Well, it took me, I have to say, there are only a couple that are newer than me. It took me a couple of meetings to know what CSL and TACC and and all of that. We talk in terms of acronyms and now there's really real meaning to what we're working on. Any public comments?

I'll just go on one more thought. And in fact, one of the issues that is going forward as a proposal was very fortunate that we, I connected with a county recorder and was able to connect the county reporter with the author of the item that is going forward as a proposal. So there's all kinds of things we can do once that everybody's aware of who we are at CSL.

A lot of work goes on behind the scenes.

A lot of work behind the scenes. A lot of work.

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Next item of business is 26-1072, and this is regarding the AI-driven scam documentation. Did all of you receive the proposed?

There's some friendly copies here.

And to who? Is it Jennifer that I'm referring, or Julie, or who? It's the list.

Well, I can, I mean, I did the flyer, so I can speak to it. This is the one that we talked about at the last meeting, and as we had our speaker the last night, I was kind of going over some of this, and so much of this was exactly what he was talking about, so I feel really good about the fact that we seem to be including a lot of these things, but it really highlights the need for our seniors to stay safe and how prevalent it is that the scams are just out there everywhere in all forms. So I think this is a good overview, but Dina had some government brochures that she'd gotten that I think are great to go with this, but I think this is a really good overview. So we're gonna get a chance to look at it. We have a comment in the classroom.

Thank you, Julie, and everybody else that worked on this. I think a combination of things. I am just more concerned with getting this information out through our outreach because there are too many people getting hacked and falling for things. And so I appreciate the commissioners looking at this and all the work that Julie has done and also Elizabeth for keeping me honest.

I did have one more, one more thing to say about this. The information did come from Jenna. So I did recreate all this. She gave me all the information and all I did was make it look nicer. So thank you, Jenna.

Okay, Julie. And, you know, it's by no means comprehensive. This is an issue that is ongoing and expanding, but it's starting. And we're here with awareness.

So, Julie, would you like to make a motion? I will make a motion that we approve this document. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second.

Second.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- Really. HAB-Masyn Moyer- Like boring. Yeah. HAB-Masyn Moyer- All right.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- Okay.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- To make copies of that. Can we use the county. Good. I need about HAB-Masyn Moyer- A lot of them. HAB-Masyn Moyer- Reach out like you, you know, HAB-Masyn Moyer- And it's much better.

Indeed. Black and white, it's just kind of . Do you have a colored topic?

Oh, yes. Oh, here.

We've got this one.

wants to say something.

And I just want to say something, piggyback on what Liz said. I will need a great number of these pretty quickly. So hopefully we can have those ready and pick them up.

It's going to be .

Because I don't know. I have a portion of what I put out is all dedicated to scams. So this will be another item on the table. Because I have several that I use, including the ones that we got from the Federal Trade Commission. So it makes quite a display.

Is that going to come out of Denise's budget? Lynette?

Liz, can you repeat the question?

We're going to need multiple color copies of this. We're talking multiples. I'm talking more than maybe 100 or more.

Yeah, we'll look at the budget and figure out. But I'm not promising anything. But it seems like this is information assistance. So that might be an option. But we'll figure that out.

Thank you.

Yes. You got it.

But before we leave you, I just thought I'd share one thing. And you've already seen this. These are senior scams. Well, it may make us feel a little better that we're not the only ones that get scammed. I got a CMS newsletter that said that CMS has identified 11 medical supply companies with more than $3.4 billion in suspected fraudulent billing practices in 25 and 26.

Well, fortunately, our audience is the senior citizens, so we can't give us a whole panel, but we can certainly serve as our seniors.

But it does impact us in a way when we have these things happen because then that makes Medicare, which is the seniors' use, perhaps the premiums go up, perhaps the co-pays go up, and it can all tie into seniors' as well, because it's all coming out of Medicare.

I just had a thought with, unfortunately, with Rebecca retiring, moving on, but this would be at least just a mention of it in the senior times, if not the contents. I don't know what we would have gotten Rebecca into.

And I think that this is a really good resource, again, to pair with those other resources from the federal government because they're very specific into certain things. So if we have this overview and we also have a stack of the free stuff that Tita has gotten for us, I think that will help. make a dent in it, hopefully. Yeah, and those are free brochures. And they're free, yeah.

We have a couple of classical comments. As far as the Senior Times, the October Times, I'm doing the final edit today. If I can squeeze it in there, you know, mention of it, I will. Otherwise, we can do November. And then Jenna wanted to say something.

Elizabeth, this is a question for you. Is the Outreach Committee still going to be functioning?

Absolutely. Absolutely.

Am I still a part of it?

Absolutely.

Thank you. I'll send you a text with the rest of my question. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you. Moving on. I'm 26, 1536. This seat as well as Julie's seat will be empty at the first of the year. We nominate Doesn't mean we won't be in them, but we do have a nomination process. And I'm looking for volunteers to a couple, two or three, to serve as a nominating committee, to present names, to fill the chair and vice chair positions next year. I see a whole lot of hands.

When you said officially take place.

The nominating committee that that the people on the commissioners on that committee contact all the commissioners to see if they're interested in being the chair or the vice chair for 2027. So the new chair will start in January. Okay. Yeah.

And there'd be there's process. Um, they're presented at the next October meeting and then voted on in November. That was, yeah, that's what it was. And that's what I thought. Um, okay. Uh, I'll help with it. Bob, you were the one I was going to ask.

Volunteer then get volunteers.

Would you like anybody to help you? Not many volunteers. I'll do it. I'll do it. Yeah, I'll wait.

You'll be the committee?

Yeah, I'll be the committee.

Thank you, Bob.

Thank you, Bob. OK. The next item, 26 to 1530, is a thought about combining two of our committees, the revenue generating with the older adult services. The proponent of this is Gail, and Gail is not here. With your permission, or how about a motion to table this? I make the motion to table it. Thank you, John. Second? Second. You guys are not volunteering for anything, I'm sorry. No, we're not.

It's still a possession. Will you have discussion now?

Yeah.

I would be opposed to tabling it. I think this is something important enough. And Gail is a person who understands this kind of thing. I think it's redundant efforts. They've already got an action plan started for the Adaha committee. And I think because they're going to be looking directly at revenue generation and statistics, which Tim will provide to Raylene and the group, I feel that this is necessary. And so I would be opposed to tabling it. Even though she was the context of it is something we should all be able to activate.

Any other discussion? Okay, let's vote on the motion on the floor, which is to table this item. All in favor?

No, roll call. Roll call because we've got commissioners in both places.

We've got split.

Okay, so Julie. Can we repeat the motion? Oh, I'm sorry. The motion is to table item number 261530 until the October meeting.

Okay, I say now I prefer to talk about it now.

I'm going to have to write this down. Did she leave? Yeah. Joan? No.

Bob? No. Okay, John? No.

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Would you like to take up the discussion?

I agree with the steps that they have already taken to start the process. And it looks like with Tita and Relene's guidance along with Timlin and Lynette, that the revenue generation versus the costs and these kinds of issues have already been generated for a PAC. And so that these two things, these two items align directly with those kinds of things and can therefore, because they are combined, be expanded into something more effectual rather than just statistic gathering. I think we'll be able to get some action items out of it if we combine these two things. Therefore, I make the motion to accept the combination of the two meetings, two committees. Thank you. I'll second.

Let me write down the motion curse.

Yeah.

Okay. Would you like to offer a name for it?

No. People are on the committees to do not be. And I'd like to hear from Aileen. How do you feel about this?

Well, I'm kind of torn either way. And I think the main focus, if it can come down to that, is what we can do to help the older programs, older American Act programs survive. Then I take all the help we can get.

Thank you.

Because we need to really work on this.

Any other discussion? Well, let's go to the motion. Okay.

Does anyone need the motion read again? Okay. The motion is to accept the combination of the two committees. Okay. Julie? Aye.

Joan? Aye. Bob?

Aye.

John? Aye.

Raylene?

Aye.

Maureen? Aye. Elizabeth? Aye.

The last item of business is a discussion. From what I can see on here, there's not an action item. Item number 26-1537, discussing the senior services in South Lake Tahoe area. Who would like to?

yeah you're up john i guess i'm up uh anyway i was concerned about the county and city going around in circles and progress on the old farmer senior center but they do seem to be making progress i'm very pleased uh hopefully this will all be resolved soon so That was, that was the main there. We want to continue to work together with the city of the county and the senior center. All three of us. So I'm going to reiterate what John said, because I did get a phone call from my

breakfast lover that officially they had put the contract from the city to ink on their table. So, and what I was informed of is that the city attorney is very on board with this and wants to see it go through. So the council is working hard to make sure this gets taken care of. Does that help you? But you're still going to be in charge of doing all the work.

Is there an action item that needs to come from this? No. Okay. Should we open it up to the proposed? Any other commissioners? Looking up there. Okay.

No comments in place. What?

Oh, wait. Okay. She has to be here.

Oh, sorry. I thought the commissioners were still talking. No, they said they weren't. All right. We are taking public comment on item 26-1537 from those in the room. Participants will have three minutes to make their comments. Please raise your hand and state your name for the record.

Judy Morgan, Executive Director of the South Lake Tahoe Senior Center. First of all, we wanna thank you all, both city and county and the Commission on Aging for supporting us for three years to try to get this done. We're excited. We have some limitations within the agreement, but we're willing to work with the city in regards to those. We have already started expanding our programs. We started a senior resistance program that's held on Wednesday mornings from 1030 to 1130. When we started, we thought that we'd maybe have six or eight people. We get anywhere from 20 to 25 people at these classes. And our biggest problem is fitting them into the room and not to be a deterrent, but we can hardly wait till we can use the large room. We still are continuing growing in our Shanghai Rummy, our Mexican Train. We still are expanding numbers of people who come in on Wednesday Bingo. We started a Saturday, fourth Saturday of every month, we call it a community bingo. And so that is also starting to expand. We are not going to continue that through the summer unless we can figure out how to safely get seniors from the parking lot into the building. And then we have two days that we actually do bridge, which is on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And we're hoping, I've had comments on people wanting to start Pinochle and a crafting class so that they can make Christmas decorations specifically as what's being discussed, and we're in the makings of doing a quilting class. So we've been very busy once we've kind of gotten secure that we're going to be there.

Yeah. Go ahead.

I just had a question. How do you guys as a group, now, are you part of this group, what used to be Senior Inc.?

Yes.

How do you guys feel about what they're going to offer at the new building? Do you have an idea of what's going to be offered there? I know what you're going to do at the old one.

Do you have any? They have a lot of multi-generational programs going on and a couple of senior. We work with them because we really do different types of things. And as a matter of fact, we're going to be doing a joint venture with them. And what they're asking us to do in this children's book event is they're wanting seniors, three specifically, to come and talk to the kids in regards to interesting stories in their life. Gary's going to talk about working with the horses, race horses down in Sacramento as he was growing up. So we will and have agreed with the Parks and Recreation that anytime we can work together, we will. They've invited us to be part of the Festival of Lights in December, which was really fun last year. And we ran out of stuff the very first night because we've never done anything. So we are building, expanding, and moving forward. And our lease agreement will be for three years. So we're hoping in that three-year period that we can really expand and show them that we're capable of handling it.

I'm glad to hear that the old building is viable. I was hoping for that three years ago. And I really didn't trust them to provide, as they said, everything that was there and more So I'm very glad to see we're going to have both and you guys are really working with you.

I wasn't aware of this whole business of you taking over the old, which will now be the revitalized senior center. And that's kind of what we've been wishing for since we've been on the commission and it started 10 years ago with the inception of the new place.

And our new DBA is South Lake Tahoe Senior Center. So that the science there, it's known as that, and it's just working. Simple. Simple.

Perfect. This reminds me of what we have at Jim and I live in a senior community. It's called a community. And they put on similar kinds of things. So it kind of reminds me of that It's not part of the commission, but it's serving seniors, just like some of the senior communities have their own recreation and activities.

I did forget to say that on the third Thursday night, we have a potluck. for seniors. And when they come in, the first 45 minutes is usually some sort of entertainment. And the last 45 minutes, we bring in a speaker. And that's been going and very successful. And we have no intention of stopping that at all.

Yeah, we're trying to make that also people get involved in it and will sign up, become members. So it's a member as well.

And as usual, the biggest problem is always financing. So now we have to start our grant writing and donations and those sorts of things, which we've been hesitant because we didn't know what was going on. We're ready to go gung-ho now. As soon as the city and county agree. 9-22. It's 9-29. The 22nd is for the city to agree to accept the The lease agreement. The lease agreement. The 29th is the Board of Supervisors.

That's when we relinquish the dog. Yeah.

It's been a long time coming.

Yes, yes. We've got a call million.

Gary, you go ahead.

If I can comment too. We've got some things that I want to look into for the future. I'm currently a lifetime member of a club in Sacramento called the Romulus Club. I cook to dinners on the second Tuesday every month for 14 years for those people. But one of the things they do, and I would like to maybe get something going here, they have a fund. And what that fund is, is that somebody that is a member, like we will have, that is having financial difficulties somehow, that insurance doesn't cover, it's not covered by something else, where funds could be given directly to that person to alleviate a problem. And I'd like to see us maybe progress into something like that, where we would have a separate fund that we could give to the needy. As an emergency fund. As an emergency fund, yes. It works well with the Romans Club. Somebody sends an audience, says these people need this help, explain what the problem is. And the board votes. It used to be that now that things have gotten higher, it used to be 250, and then everybody would raise their hand and raise it to 500. The club has now changed it to where the minimum is 500. And then people raise their hand and raise it to a thousand.

So you need the cooperation of the city of South Lake Tahoe to help incorporate that.

To incorporate it, but it would be our membership that votes on what the money will be handed out. I don't really pursue that. It's going to take some time, though. We can't do it overnight.

But these kinds of ideas are what's going to make you die.

Yeah, exactly. So and then we get the kitchen back and get it functioning properly. Right now, we have half the time keeping things warm. We've blown the circuit break a couple times. Too many appliances. So the kitchen will be a big help for us.

We're worried about heating our enchiladas tonight.

So those kind of things we're looking forward to. And like I said, looking to more programs. Get some teachers or somebody that would run a program. Maybe even bring back, if we can. I don't know. building as such as it is and with things the way they are that at one time they were doing pottery work in there and then they had to fire but they haven't got dangerous it was pulled out i don't know if we should ever put that back but it's something to look forward if we can do so we're trying we're trying real hard to get this thing going there's new technology now with so many pieces of equipment yes yes everything's fine so okay that's

wrapping up and that's great to see.

Any volunteers for the children program? I've got three.

Okay, y'all can talk about that.

Yeah, sorry.

On this program here, is there any chance that we could be added? What's that? On the scans? Where you could have TBSCC and our phone numbers? And probably we could do the same thing as the El Dorado Hills. That's what we could do.

We just approved this. Yeah. So then I think what would need to happen is if you guys wanted to connect any potential changes and then re-agendize it.

Or just on the copy to receive, get a little rubber stamp and stick your stuff on it.

That would work. That's a great thing. I'm really enthused about that. We'd like to be able to be recognized.

A lot of great ideas for next year's presentation of the board. That will conclude.

I'm sorry to interrupt you. Can I just add one thing before you close? Can I add, I have the dollar amount for senior day. Oh, really? So the total budget is $1,000,000. $88,424. Sorry, did you say something? Was it 1,088,024? Yeah, 1,088,424. 424, okay, got it. And then the general fund contribution is $196,475.

$196,475.

696-475. 696, okay. And the membership or the revenue is 391-949. Okay.

And how much is it? I'm sorry. Go ahead. And how much is the Fed and the state? There is none. There is none.

It's only general fund and... That's it.

So if you add the 696-475 plus 591-949, that's our total operating budget. Right, OK. Waiting 424.

Oh, thank you. That helps. At least that puts it in perspective. And I appreciate you taking the time to find those numbers for me.

You're welcome. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you, Sherwin. Good job. Our next meeting is October 30. And at least the sheriff's office. Are you there?

Yeah. Is the sheriff going to be there?

Yeah, he'll be there.

He may not talk to us, but he'll be there. He may not talk to us, but he'll be there.

The sheriff will entertain a motion to... Jim, you missed the open forum. Oh, we have an open forum. How'd that happen?

I'll have a part of it.

There it was. Anything to go to the order. There's been October 15 shows office during our entertaining motion to attend. After Bob, I'll take the position, but it wasn't an argument. All the better, please. I know we're not going to lose.

I do have to say, when I came here this morning and a police officer let me in, it was like, what's going on?

Well, I was asking what's going on.