Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

I apologize. That should be fixed now. Okay. And we're ready. We're ready.

Alright. Good evening, everybody. I'm gonna go ahead and call this meeting to order. It's 06:31. Katie, would you go ahead and call roll?

Of course. Member Maloney?

Present.

Member Anderle? Present. Member Howell?

Present.

And member Powell? And we have a quorum.

Excellent. Thank you. First item on the agenda is to adopt the agenda and approval of the consent calendar. I believe that also includes approving the minutes from our last meeting. Is that correct?

Correct.

Yes. Anybody have any comments on the minutes from the last meeting, which was in October? Do we need a motion to approve the minutes?

If we could get a motion to adopt the agenda and approve the consent calendar, which includes the minutes.

Okay. As one motion, that'd be great.

And do we have a second? Second.

Alright. And I think we just do a voice vote.

Yes, please.

All in favor? Aye. Aye.

K. Motion passes four zero.

Alright. So that brings us to sorry. I'm getting the agenda, and the minutes flipped around here.

It's okay.

I think we have public comment at this point. Is that right?

Yes. So we're now taking public comment on open forum. Each speaker will have three minutes to address the committee. We will we will begin with comments from individuals present in the meeting room followed by those participating on Zoom. If you're joining via via Zoom, please ensure to unmute yourself when called upon. If you're joining by phone, press 9 to raise your hand. If you're on Zoom, use the raise hand feature to indicate your interest in speaking. We ask that you voluntarily state your name for the record before beginning your comments. Do we have any open forum public comment in the room? Okay. Seeing none. And at this time, we do not have any attendees, public attendees on Zoom.

Alright. Well, then I will go ahead and close the open forum. I'll move to agenda item number two, which is for the board staff recommending recommending the committee elect members, looks like, or elect positions?

So election of the chair and election of the vice chair.

Okay.

Taking nominations for my position.

Nominate you. Yeah. I'll second that,

But we need a new vice.

Alright. I accept. So we've got chair. Sounds like we're looking for a new vice chair, Diana.

You know? Yeah. Yeah.

I'll nominate Tim.

He's closest.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye. So we've got myself and Tim on there. So we'll move on to looks like it's actually agenda item number four, which is PA twenty six zero zero three. Do you wanna go ahead and read that into the record, please, Katie?

And I apologize. I didn't, ask if there was any public comment for the election of the chair and the vice chair. Do we have any public comment? Okay. I'm not seeing any. Okay. And then we'll move to item number four.

These are a little bit out

of order. I apologize for that. So we'll take item number four, Cameron Park design review committee to review and make recommendations regarding the following project, PA twenty six zero zero zero three, BHB Rescue Affordable Housing Development, an informational pre application for an affordable multifamily housing project consisting of a 108 units, a 143 parking stalls with community center, head start and outdoor recreational activities on three parcels. The parcels have a land use designation of multi family residential and a zoning designation of multi unit residential with a design review combining zone. The three parcels are 5.449 acres and in the northeast quadrant of Hastings Drive and Green Valley Road in the Cameron Park community region and in Supervisorial District 4.

Thank you. And I think the planner is here for that, but not the applicant. Is that correct? Oh, they are on Zoom. Okay. I thought we had nobody in the room. Thank

you. And if I can just make an announcement for applicants who are on Zoom. If you do wanna use your video, that's the only way that our committee members and the public can see you, and you've been promoted to cohost to be able to do that. Thank you.

Excellent. Do you wanna go ahead and start by presenting the project, or do you wanna have the applicant do that?

We'll probably tag team this one, chair Maloney. So I wanted to provide some information regarding this project. It is an informational preapplication. You might have noticed that you only received the site plan and no elevations. And so the informational preapplication affords the development applicant an opportunity to receive feedback from county agencies and other reviewing agencies without investing a lot of time in a full set of plans. And so they can receive preliminary comments and standard conditions of approval from staff and other reviewing entities like DOT, Stormwater, surveyors, fire, and other agencies as well.

Is there a way to make this have it turned up a little bit for us? We're having a hard time hearing. I

can also project. How about that?

It's kinda like an echo.

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nice. Okay. I'll I'll I'll start again. So this is this is an informational pre application. And so this gives the applicant an opportunity to receive preliminary feedback on conceptual plans, and there's no requirement for what plans they submit.

So they could submit something as simple as a site plan, which is what is the case here, no elevations. And so this is just an opportunity for them to receive feedback from the various, reviewing agencies. And so we just had the tech technical advisory committee meeting this afternoon, and that's exactly what they did, received, comments, standard conditions of approval, and also receive the opportunity to ask questions of the different agencies like Cameron Park Fire. And so one thing you will also notice here is that the Kaylee, thank you for the summary. It's an affordable housing project, but the project application did not specify whether it was going through the discretionary route, which is the typical route for a project, or state streamlining.

I think over the past several years, there have been a whole spate of state streamlining laws regarding affordable housing. And go ahead. Yes.

I just have a question before you go too far. Sure. You said that there's no really review for this, discretionary review. But what about if they're asking for variances that's not discretionary?

So in this informational pre application, they didn't specify if they were doing the discretionary route or the ministerial route that's allowed by state streamlining law. And so if they were to elect and do the discretionary route, they would have to come back before the Cameron Park Design Review Committee, and it would just be the typical review process, whether it's, I believe this is it would be a I think I would have to double check, but it would be a discretionary process either seen by the, director or, planning commission, I'm thinking. But if they choose the state streamlining route, it would just be staff level ministerial review. They would not need to come back before, you know, a discretionary design review committee. Did did I clarify or shall I?

Sure. I mean, if it's ministerial, one would assume it meets all the requirements and you can just zoom it through, that's kind of the incentive. But if it does have exceptions to the rule, would you still just streamline it right through? That's kind of my question.

That's a great question. What I've noticed from applications that we received and also, neighboring jurisdictions is that there are laws that allow waivers and concessions. It's called state density bonus law. And so even if somebody were to apply for state streamlining and they wanted to waive certain local jurisdiction requirements, if they meet the letter of the law for state density bonus law, they could potentially receive those waivers and concessions. It depends on which route they elect because we don't we don't recommend. Right? They have to tell us what they want to do as part of their application. That's just in general for affordable housing projects.

So it's really hard to read this, unfortunately, as far as the text on here.

Yeah.

They not specified how many units they're proposing to put in. Well, they've specified how many units, but they haven't specified how many are going to be either senior or affordable or at what affordability level.

Mhmm. That is correct, sir.

They haven't actually specified whether they're going for density bonus or not?

Correct. And I think my my little comment was just for affordable housing projects in general. You were asking about if they want it to vary from the standards, do they have to take the discretionary route, unfortunately, or, you know, the the answer is it depends because there is an approach for streamlining with the application of the state density bonus law.

Does does the community building mean it's serving our whole community or just the community of that subdivision?

That's a great question to ask. In terms of the amenities, right? Was that a question about whether the community amenities would only serve the residents? Or

When you say community building, it sounds like maybe its its scope is going beyond the the boundaries of the of the project. So I didn't know if the term community building meant something for the community the specific subdivision here, or was that a

broader role? That's a great question. Yeah. So I think what I'll do is defer, I I think, further questions about project description to the applicant and let them explain what they like to propose to our county.

And looks like we have Stephanie Rodriguez from the applicant team. Oh, you're on mute. There we go.

Actually, I think this But I can tell you that it is a 100% large family affordable. K. So that's one of your questions. The other thing is for the community center. The community center is for the residents.

However, we will have, adult education classes that are for the community and the residents. We also have a head start day care that will be there, will be for the residents and also for the community. So there will be community events and a a community education opportunities, not just for the residents, but also for the community. Now in regards to the net density bonus, Nick, you wanna go ahead? I think she had a question in regards to the net density bonus. And do you have any other questions in regards to the project itself?

Well, I noticed there were possibly two heritage oaks on that site, and I wondered if that was measured or taken into consideration.

Yeah. Go ahead, Nick. I'm gonna defer it over to our architect. I know he has been working on that. Thank you.

Hello. My name is Nick Stewart. I'm the architect on the project. I'm working with Visionary Home Builders on this project. Yes.

So as Stephanie mentioned, and as Anna mentioned, we are early on in the process just kinda vetting out our options with the county and with this site. It is somewhat of an an odd site in how it's positioned in the three parcels that it encompasses. So we are looking at putting a 108 units as was mentioned. And then from there, we do understand that there are existing trees, like Heritage Oaks that we will be surveying and getting their exact locations to determine how it affects our current conceptual design and see if we can work around that. Some might fall within the development that, you know, we would potentially look at getting removed and going through that process.

We talked about that with Anna at an earlier meeting. If we do have to go that route regarding the net density bonus concessions, we do typically look at those on these type of projects if we do go through, you know, a state bill, and that that helps make these projects more affordable. A lot of times, we can't always meet the parking requirements, and a lot of the residents that, you know, live in these type of facilities, they don't have more than one vehicle per se. It is a family oriented community that we're trying to build here for and that is fully affordable, so a 100 affordable. But so those are some of the concessions that we typically see.

So some of the concessions would be, you know, a density increase. We're also looking at parking, potentially waiving the carport requirements as well because that is a huge cost, and the funding sources are pretty tight to try and make these projects happen.

I noticed that you're parked you're under parked already and that the number of trees in the parking lot does not meet the standard. And, certainly, if you're trying to get rid of the carports, I would hope that you would at least go along with the trees for, not just aesthetic reasons, but, for our the heat and stuff that comes in this area and would benefit by meeting that requirement for trees.

Yeah. A 100%. And we just recently got our landscape on board now that we're going through this preliminary process and hearing your guys' comments as well as, the comments from the city early on in this pre process, and we are looking at doing that. And, yes, if we we would be looking to try and increase the trees, which could potentially reduce the parking even more, but we are trying to make a feasible project here, not an unfeasible project when it comes to parking as well.

The other comment I have is about the parking along the rear property line. I believe on the other side, there are single family dwellings. I'm not sure how close they are, but I would think that the kind of fencing wouldn't take into consideration noise attenuation or privacy or something, if that's the case. I I know it's

Yeah. We we'd be looking at a block wall, a CMU block wall, so a concrete masonry wall to replace their existing fences along that property line. And, actually, our site, because of the topography, we are having to do some cut and fill. So, basically, try and create a balanced site that's, you know, more flat, if you will, across it because there is a pretty big drop from the north end to the south end. And so that side specifically would have probably a 13 a 10 foot tall retaining wall on it just to be able to accommodate our site.

So our site will already be lower, plus there would be, you know, at least a minimum six foot block wall at the back end of those residents on the northern end of the property along that whole north property line.

Thank you. I have some comments to make as well to community member Anderle's comments. So anything regarding Oaks, would have to follow the county's Oak resources, requirements. There are exemptions, and one exemption is for affordable housing projects, but that still does not waive the requirement for mitigating for heritage oak trees. So I just wanted to make that comment.

The second comment is I think we were talking about I was talking about the state density bonus law in general, just in terms of the atmosphere of state housing law at this current time. But I don't believe that the proposed number of units requires a density bonus. I think it's between five to 24 dwelling units per acre. Nick, you can correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah. Because it's a 5.49 acre site, and they're proposing 108 units. I don't think they need to ask for density bonus at this point.

Yeah. There's different pathways that we can take on that, Anna, that we're still kind of vetting out like you mentioned earlier. But, yes, you're correct.

I I have one more comment, and that is have you considered putting the playground area more in the middle and moving that adult thing more to the to that center? Because it would be with more eyes on it in that in that subdivision so people could see their children there. More of them would because it would be more centrally located than next to the convenience or the neighborhood place.

Yeah. Sweet. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a good point. So, yeah, we we are looking to try and create that center core within the site plan. There's actually three play area types. One play area is pretty secured, which is ran by a head start program, and they actually don't, like really, don't want any visibility on the children for for state law reasons even if it is their own kid or not. And so that one is a little bit more secured with its own private fencing that's usually not visible type fencing. So it'd be it'd be more secured, and that would be a playground for children of the age from zero to five.

And that would be directly tied to the Head Start program. Right? You didn't have direct access to the Head Start program, which would be part of that community building. Then there's a secondary playground, which is more centrally located, and that is a age groups from six to 12. So it's preteen.

Oh, good. And that one would be more centrally located, and that one can be more open for the residents and stuff. There's not a strict state requirements for that. And then the third play area type would be a basketball court, which should be considered for teens from ages 13 to 19. So those are the those are the three play types and kind of their and then kind of the requirements that we're having to respond to for those three different play areas.

I wanted to make one quick comment on day care centers. So this is an a multifamily project with a child care center associated with it. And if you look at the zoning ordinance currently, the zoning ordinance doesn't allow for day care centers, in residential zones. But there was a new law that was passed last year. It's AB Assembly Bill seven fifty two that basically allowed child care centers that are co located with apartment buildings to be approved, to basically be a residential use, and it's a use by right in residential zones.

So that is actually not through local laws, but through state law. Yeah.

Is the intent that this is a gated community, or is it open to the rest of any kind of thing?

Yeah. It would be a fully gated community, and then it would be open. They would allow visitor access, or if, you know, new tenants wanted to come in and fill out an application, that'd be allowed too.

How tall are the buildings? Is it two story, three story?

Juan, do you wanna go over the height?

The height?

Yeah. It it's a two it's a three story structure, the community's buildings, but I believe the height ranges from 35 to 40 feet at the three story structures. With the with the gable roofs, we're going kind of for the farms the farmhouse look, if you will, on the buildings to kinda match the design requirements for that area. But the community building is a one story structure that would probably be no more than, like, 20 feet tall at the top of its roof.

Thank you.

You're welcome. Any preliminary thoughts on you mentioned farmhouse styles. I'm assuming you're talking, like, fiber cement siding, like comp shingle roofs.

We are, and we're looking at other types of roofs too just for the fire rating within that area as well. But, yes, that's that kinda sums up the design intent that we are looking at. We're early on in the the design, as Anna mentioned. So we don't have full on elevations yet, but we are looking, to go that direction based on the guidelines that we were reading within your guys' ordinance for that for that specific area.

Understood. And it looks like open stairs, probably

So they'd be considered three story walk ups. So open kind of stair breezeway concepts, so no elevators.

That's what I'm seeing here.

Four four units would access each stairwell.

Pretty

common archetype. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly.

So, like, on the let's see. I think north is up on the site plan. Right?

Correct.

So, on the West side, there's a gap, which I assume is a fire access into the name into the next street over. Is that right?

Yeah. It'd be Hastings. Yes. It'd be an ingress and egress point at Hastings Road.

So it is it's accessible to anyone. It's not just fire department.

We're kinda reviewing that with the fire department right now. We're having to we're learning that we're having to develop that site anyway that those frontage so the off-site street frontage there with curb and sidewalk. And so we will have to create a pedestrian gate at that location because we are adding a sidewalk there even though there's not really one south or north of the site on Hastings. But it is part of the requirements, the county's requirements. The main entrance is conceived to be at Starbuck Road.

That is the main entrance where the clubhouse is. So we would probably envision that entrance being for emergency access only, but, allowing exit residents to be able to exit through that onto Hastings as well. But entry, we would we would we would like to control off of Starbuck Road because that's where we place the leasing office, the community building to have kind of direct visibility of who's coming in the site Mhmm. Into the site. But with a development of this size, it is required to have two exits for emergency vehicle access.

Right. Okay.

I think for the staff, it's important to not surprise people in the neighborhood with this late in the game, but let them know if something nice is coming or if you have an elevation to put up or something. So it's really infuriating to get this in a public hearing ten days before when you're not really attuned to what the project is.

Yeah. I totally agree.

Thank you so much for that comment. If this project proceeds to the application stage, we will put it up on projects in your area, and it will have its own public information page.

I do have one question since we were talking about Hastings. What's is there a home that fronts on Hastings across the street from where this driveway is gonna go?

I believe we lined up the drive aisle be with the development across the street. Juan, correct me if I'm wrong on that, please.

That is correct.

I went there, and that's all the backyards. Okay. I wanted the same thing. That's fine.

Okay. Thank you. Yeah. So you're so you share a property line with what what is that over there? Dollar Tree now?

Dollar Tree.

Yeah. Okay. So there's no there's no other access, though, onto, Green Valley, though, I guess. Right?

Correct. No. We have our basin kind of at that southern end, so we're looking to just try and the existing access to the site is off pretty much where we're showing it on Starbuck Road.

On Starbuck. Yeah.

Yeah. And so we're trying to maintain that and then just create that emergency vehicle access onto Hastings. It's a little less traffic y and can you know, trying to create we don't wanna create an issue, you know, at the South. Yeah.

I don't I mean, given that we don't have any elevations, I don't really have any further comments about it. I'm gonna turn it over to the rest of

I just encourage you to maybe vary the color a bit just to maybe a tinge or something so that you can find you who who you're looking for when you're delivering food or the ambulance. You know, everybody's white, it's which one? So that that's all I have to say about that because I see how difficult it is for somebody I know who tries to deliver that stuff.

For sure. Yeah. That's a great point. Yeah.

And, personally, this is not for the group, but I I don't I think a a bright white is a passing fancy here. We live in the in the foothills, so that's just my own opinion.

Sounds good. I'll keep that in mind.

Full disclosure, I did check out your website and do nice work, so I approve. Thank you.

Thank you. Yeah. We're very excited about the project, so is Visionary Home Builders, and just the team in general. I mean, it's a great, the site does have its challenges, of course, but, it it'd be, we think it'd be great for the community, you know, and really help out with the need for affordable housing within the area. So, we're looking to get this thing, you know, knocked out as quickly as we can and create a great project for the community.

Have you used the same design in another location that you could share with us?

Not specifically the farmhouse one.

Yeah.

But I

Just curious.

That's Yeah. Not the farmhouse style yet. We've done kinda more of, like, a Mediterranean one, and then we've done more urban infill where it's more like you have, like, a five story building with the kinda what's in the background of Stephanie's background on our screen if you can see that. You know, that'd be more of, like, an urban infill where you have parking below, more commercial, like, space below and then with residents above. But we can send you guy you know, we'll send over the elevations to the staff once we have them in the next coming month after we kinda understand, you know, all the everything that we're up against and kinda pick the direction that we wanna go with the project, what makes the most sense with timing, funding, and everything.

When is your goal to open the doors?

I'll let Steph answer that one.

So our goal, you're you are looking at two years down the road, you know, for these projects. So we have to stack our funding. We usually, get into, HCD, which is housing community and development department of of California. These are tax credit projects, so we will go to the California tax credit allocation committee for our tax credit. So you're looking at a good two and a half years before we break the ground on on the project.

This is very preliminary right now, but Nick is pretty good. He's gonna get those plans over now that we've met with you, and we just wanted to, you know, give give you feedback so that you would know what we wanna bring to your community. And I hope you looked at Visionary's website as well because we do have our projects on there. We're very proud of them.

Is that one of your projects that you're posed in front of?

That's that's Grandview Village in Stockton, and it is one of the ones that we finished about two years ago. And it's right across the street from our office. But we do a lot of the three story garden walk ups. We presently have 30 in service projects from Fresno and through the Central Valley, mostly in Stockton. We do have a project in Sacramento, Whispering Pines.

That's a three story walk up project, which will be similar to what we're going to do in Rescue, except for a different little bit design. I know that that what Nick does is very nice. You looked at his website, so you know what he puts together is nice. So you'll be able to take a look at it and for yourselves and see, see a very nice project for your community, and you need it. We looked at the arena. You do need some affordable housing.

Do you have laundry on the site?

So each one of the units will have its own washer and dryer. We supply inside. Yeah. And they're very spacious. I I know. I don't think Nick has exactly the square footages yet, but on our two bedrooms, we're usually about a thousand.

So thousand.

Yeah. About a thousand square feet is our two bedroom. Two bedroom, one bath with a laundry area, and the three bedrooms are around 1,200 square feet. Is that about on the average, Nick? And they're a three bedroom, two bath. So they're not little tiny apartments. We do do some spacious, nice apartments.

We try and create, like, a dining area, you know, along with the living area as well as the kitchen, you know, obviously, but which tends to be more market rate type style design. But we do try and provide those amenities for these residents as well. And then we do have once single bedrooms, which are around typically around, like, 700 square feet.

Quick question. Not going to hold you to it, Stephanie and Nick, but when you said it was a 100% affordable, at what percentage?

So we're gonna start at 3030% AMI to 80% AMI. Most of the the units will be from 30 to 60 because our funding is based on up to 60% AMI. So we do have most of our our units at that 30 to 60% AMI. There will be two managers' units, and those will be free rent for the on-site staff.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Yeah. Typically, we come in as a tier two when you look at, you know, municipal codes.

When did you say you'll be back? You with your drawings?

Hopefully hopefully soon. Yeah. We're, we're kinda working on Yeah. I think we've we've learned some stuff from earlier today meeting with the city, and then, you know, we're learning stuff from you guys too as well tonight. And so we want to when we present kind of the vision, we wanna make sure that it you know, it's at least meeting the conditions right out of the gate, you know, as much as possible.

We don't wanna we don't we don't ever wanna show something to someone that, you know, isn't meeting, kind of the municipal requirements, if you will. And so this was kind of an early on sketch that we did to see if this is feasible. We got some great feedback today earlier on and getting some great feedback tonight. So, from that from now, we will move forward and kinda pick a direction whether and see what we can and can't do, whether it's miss ministerial or discretionary, and then figure out what that route looks like and then, you know, what's gonna be required. So we we do have our civil engineer on board.

We do have our landscape architect on board ready to kinda look at conceptual landscaping, planting, and irrigation. And civil's already done, you know, a topo and a boundary survey. So so we have we are moving the needle forward, but it is it is a process.

For for your landscape architect in Cameron Park, we love Redbud. You've got a few places to pop that in down the road. It comes alive in April here, so I I'm encouraging you to to do that.

We will keep that in mind. Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah. It is the unofficial official tree. Just my 2¢. If you can make it ministerial, you'll save yourself a lot of headaches up here too. So

Yeah. We typically with these projects, there's a lot of ways to go ministerial with affordable housing because it's so needed across everywhere, really. And so, we do tend to try and go that route if possible only because, the funding sources and their timelines are tricky to manage, and, we have to have certain things done by certain times. Otherwise, we kinda get passed up on the funding. And so, Stephanie seems really good at that, though, and we're really good at, staying on top of that with them to make sure that we get all the documentation, in place that's needed.

And we do work really closely with staff on all of this. So Anna's probably gonna, hate me at first, but we'll probably become best friends by the end of this.

Anna's really nice. You like working with her.

I do already, so she's been great.

Kaylee, do we have any, members of the public? Okay. Let's see if we have any comments from the public.

Okay. We are now taking public comment on agenda item four. Each speaker will have three minutes to address the committee. We will begin with comments from individuals present in the meeting room followed by those participating on Zoom. If you're on Zoom, please ensure to unmute yourself when called upon. If you're by joining by phone, press 9 to raise your hand. If you're on Zoom, use the raise hand feature to indicate your interest in speaking. We ask that you voluntarily state your name for the record before beginning your comments. Do we have any public comment from the meeting room? Seeing none. Now taking public comment from Zoom participants. I'm not seeing any public comment.

K. Excellent. Then we thank the applicant for joining us today and Anna. We'll move on to the next agenda item.

Thank you everyone for your time on this.

Thank you. Forward to seeing

you again.

Nice meeting you all.

Thank you. Bye. So we'll move on to item three.

Yeah. I apologize for the order of the items.

Yeah. I'm all good.

Is that it?

Actually, it made more sense to have it as item three second than rather than four, so didn't need to have those folks sit through this one.

Okay. Item number three is clerk of the board staff recommending the committee, one, discuss the process and requirements for the committee's annual report to the board of supervisors. Two, assign committee members to create a draft presentation to bring back to the next meeting for review and approval, and three, select a date to present the report to the board of supervisors. And the board has changed the process a little bit for this because there was two meeting dates that they selected to have, committee and commission presentations. One was, this month at the beginning of the month, and then the other date is September 15.

So September 15 is the only remaining date available.

I think we should do it on September 15.

So, yeah, if you wanna discuss it, you have a copy of the template. It has changed a little bit for this year, and then I included a copy of the report that was made. I think it was 2024 was the last time.

Yep.

So the contents of the presentation that are requested are for anything that occurred in the previous calendar year. So if you had anything that wasn't in the 2024 report that you wanted to include, you could, but then anything from the previous year.

So, like, we can go back to 2024 also?

If there's if there's projects that occurred after the last presentation that was made, because I think last year may have been skipped, so there may not have been projects that were included in the last presentation. And I can go through and pull a list of projects that have been done based off of the time from the last report through last year and send that to whoever is work going to work on the draft report.

That would definitely be helpful. I think, Nicholas, you did this one. Yeah. I don't know if you'd be willing to to do that again. Yeah. Okay. Excellent. So you'll work with Kaylee, and she'll get you all the information you need. And I'll be happy to be the, lamb to the slaughter to Go to the board again. It was fun, though. I I say that in jest. They were all very nice.

I have a question for the staff. This year, we have not been reviewing many problem projects, and many of the our meetings are canceled. Yet when I talk to the planners, they tell me how busy they are. So I think it doesn't seem to make sense for some reason. But the other thing that I've been concerned about for a long time now is that when we do make suggestions that are important and even required by your ordinance, such as street trees, and they're not put in, I wonder what we can do to come to some agreement that, even when you have something minor, like a change of use and it requires some change in design that you bring it to us, and we can take a look and help because we want our community to look really nice.

And there's a few really bad examples of that happening, and I just don't wanna see it. I don't think it's necessary to see any more of it if we can just help. We're free. We're volunteering our time and our experience, and we'd be glad to help rather than see things fall through the cracks.

That's really not something that I can address. I don't know if Anna would be prepared to address that or if you have a recommendation of, who member Anderle might be able to reach out to to address those concerns.

Yeah. You could provide those comments to Andy Flower, who is the planning manager. Yep.

So bringing it back to item number three, I just wanted to see if we can put a or reserve a time for the presentation. And member Maloney, you said that you would be presenting?

Yeah. I'll do it.

So on September 15, the available times we have are 02:00, 02:30, or 03:30 in the afternoon.

Let me pull up my calendar and see. I don't think I have anything that far out, but you never know. September 15. Let me just do 03:30.

Okay. Okay. So I think, that completes item three. Alright.

Does anybody have anything, additional they would like to bring up before we adjourn? Hearing none, I'll take I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. I think we all agree.

Second. I have to turn this on. Second.

Then we are adjourned at 07:15. Thank you

very

much, everybody.