El Dorado Solid Waste Advisory Committee - Regular Meeting

We're not starting. I just want to get everyone in here. Anyone else get one of these tentacle waste?

Yes, I did get one of those. Yeah. I thought they were kind of interesting.

Yeah, it's a glass I haven't seen.

For like waste emissions, like the big cornbread. But they're notifying us about it. I didn't get one.

Maybe if you can nail today.

No, it's been a while. For me, it was probably.

Yeah.

And it's about something about a fuel surcharge.

Okay, Tom, I'm promoting you to panelist. I can't see you or hear you, but I'm sure you're there. Give us a holler when you guys are ready to come in.

So very good December. I had five-year-old twins for a month here. All right. And I went there for a week.

Okay. I see you guys.

All right. Yeah, we can hear you. Can you hear us?

Yep. Sounds perfect. And all three of you are there?

Yes.

Okay, cool. We might. Oh, okay. We have a quorum. It was really close. So we'll start in a minute.

Okay, you guys ready?

You know, we can't see you. I don't know what happened.

Oh, I'm here. Okay, let me turn it on and off.

Okay.

Can you see it?

Yeah.

Okay, we can start now.

Okay.

call a meeting or a question.

Okay. Yes. Welcome, everyone, to Center 14th at Slack meeting. Meeting is started.

Call of the order at 10.01. All right. So let's do roll call. So I'm just reading out. Dougie, I can do it if you want. If you want to do it. Okay. You're done nice a lot. So he said dumb said last time in the meeting, we said this. Catherine Dixon Schwartzbaum. Okay, Katie, she had a Sarah Lutton. Yeah, thank you. Dina Watkins. Howie, not here. She said she wasn't gonna get by Churchill. Mike said he was maybe going to be online, but I don't know. He was remote approved last time, but I don't know if he's going to make it. Quorum. Tara Lane. Tara Lane. Not going to be here. Notify me. Chris Brown. Here. Catherine Howells. Here. MDT's Bacon. Okay, so we have a quorum, 6 out of the 11 questions. Okay. I'm going to go ahead and share my screen, FYI, so you guys can see us. Give me a sec. Ah, there we go. All right. Yeah, we got that right. Okay, remote meeting approvals. I don't think anybody's here. I don't have any other participants. So if Mike comes, he just won't be a voting member, unfortunately. So we'll just skip over that. So let's do the pledge. All right, here we go. Let's see if the caption's there. One, two, three. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, divisible with liberty and justice for all. Correct? Okay, got it right.

Okay, that's good.

Okay, as a point of order, let's say Mike did come in and we can't go back and approve that. Suppose you could, like, at any time.

We just have a formal thing where we can promote meeting approval. But we could, in theory, go back. I'm going to talk about some administrative stuff today, too, because I made a mistake last time on voting consent. So we'll talk about this part. But yeah, I suppose at any time I might just show up. Yeah, that's good. Which he hasn't. It matters. Voting forum. So that's an opportunity for members of the public. Do you guys have any members of the public up there?

No.

Okay. And I'm down here. All right. So that's it. So the next thing is the adoption of the agenda and approval of the consent calendar. So as you guys know, so first of all, let me just preface by saying an administrative thing. No one needs to approve pulling stuff off the consent calendar. Any board member can just say, I want this off when it goes to discussion. There's no approval. There's no nothing. I thought we had to approve it. We don't. So if anybody wants to talk about anything, it just hops down to discussion. So when I do the notes, it'll be a discussion item. That's right. And maybe you can note it as it was. Yeah, I say it's pulled and then pulled by board member XX. So you guys, that's how the board does it. I kind of like reviewed that policy. If Supervisor Lane wants to pull something, she pulls it. No, we have. That's it. She hasn't been doing.

Yeah.

So you can still approve it as now, but if you want to, if you want to pull something, this would be a good time just to say, yeah.

Yeah. WRTRs. I thought it would be helpful just to get kind of an overview of why we think the data is as it is. I mean, the charts were very helpful information format, but I think just, it's like, you know, what's happening, why, Why are you not moving?

So that would be required of us to pull. Yeah, let's pull in.

All right. We're practicing.

Yeah, let's practice. So hang on. So you're pulling item number 2605. 597. 597. Hey, Southlake, do you guys want to pull any of the consent calendar? Anyone?

No. Okay.

All right. So in that case, item 260597 will be moved to a discussion item. So we'll talk about it later. So then we go back. So this is, again, another mistake I made. We don't talk about it now. It's now in the discussion item. So we go back to the agenda, the consent calendar, and now we can approve it if there's nothing else. So I'll need a motion to approve the consent calendar, adopt the agenda and approve the consent calendar. Do you have a motion? Do you have a second? Sorry, I beat you. All right. So roll call. We know it's not here. So all this, and now there's more people here.

Hang on a second.

Okay, Mike Churchill's here now. Hang on, I'm going to promote him to a panelist. Hang on. Mr. Churchill, is that you? Go ahead and unmute your mic.

Can you hear me?

Yes. Yeah, I can hear you. Hey, Mike, welcome.

Okay, good. Hi, guys.

Are you requesting a remote meeting approval? Yes, I am. Okay, that has to be voted on. Let's do that first.

Okay. Can we please vote on remote meeting approvals? Do we have a motion?

I'll make a motion.

Okay. Second. You can give a second. Okay. I'll give a second. Okay. I'm going to go through it. I'm going to go through both roll calls. So this is for Mike being approved for remote meeting approval. Doug? Aye. Dickson?

Aye.

Katie?

Aye.

Sarah? Aye. Chris? Aye. That's it. 6-0. So this one is for adoption of the agenda and approval of the consent calendar. Wait, Catherine, did I? Did we get Catherine? Yes.

No. Sorry. That's okay.

My bad. Okay. So yes. Okay. So that's 6-0. Sorry, Catherine. Okay. Let's try the next one. Doug? Aye. Dixon?

Aye.

Katie?

Aye.

Sarah? Aye. Michael Leccese, A ironically, Michael Mike has been approved so Mike. Michael Leccese, I Chris. Michael Leccese, And then Catherine. Michael Leccese, I okay motion to prove seven zero Mike i'm going to promote you to panelists so you can talk whenever. Michael Leccese, Okay, hold on a SEC. Michael Leccese, Okay, that works yeah yeah so administrative stuff we're getting better at this. Yeah, I had it backwards last time. We didn't, we didn't, we just approved the remote approval and we voted on the consent calendar and solved that. Okay. So that's the end of the consent calendar. And now we need to move on to the discussion item. So we're going to talk about our first discussion item, which is 260597. This is a receiving file item, but Dixon, you wanted to talk about some things. regarding these reports. I'll pull them up. Go ahead and ask your question.

So I think it would be helpful to sort of have an explanation of what we have some ups and downs.

Yeah.

Kind of what you see is sort of a bigger picture of what's happening here, why that is. Sure. So maybe just looking at those graphs.

I will pull them up.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

That's not right. Sorry. I was looking at the old minutes. Stand by. Okay. Getting crowded here. Hang on. Let me make sure that Mike got promoted to panelist. It's so slow sometimes. Dang it.

I'm still here. I know. I'm just promoting. Join as panelist.

Oh, there you go. Yeah, now you're in the big club. All right. Okay, so first I'll just preface for you. Again, we have quite a bit of data now. Yeah. I think, and then just I'll go over each graph. We could August in here. Yeah, I don't think we've got August in there.

Okay, no worries. Yeah, yeah. Look, I think if we want to, a little synopsis of, hey, here's what we saw, right? So I'm going to just talk about August real quick, even though those numbers aren't up here. But for example, in August, we saw 150 less customers come through the facility altogether, right? So when you look at the numbers, all of the numbers are just going to be down because less people came. Meaning the numbers will be down in just total volume. The version might be up depending on the volume we took in. So we bring in way more green waste customers, but we took in less trash because 150 plus people came through the MERV. And then I think too, I would just say with some of this, Catherine, we've talked about this a little bit in the past too, but seasonality and which type of volume comes through. So to your point, I think if we submit this to Tim, Tim would have to tell me, do I put that little blurb in the document somewhere? Can I just email it to you? Or however you guys see that, we're happy to give you a little synopsis. A little note, a summary.

Yeah, a little, hey, month over month, or even like a quarter synopsis. Here's what we saw over the quarter. You can just email it. When I do that, I do a ping about two to three weeks out saying that your waste recycling tonnage reports and all this state completed both of them, please, or something.

So our case numbers just keep This is everything.

This is everything. This is everything that is processed through our facility. So this includes, yes, this includes everything we pick up from the curb, all of your third-party stuff that's brought into us, you know, our roll, our commercial business, our roll-off business. This is just everything that's processed through the facility. Yeah.

So in terms of... You know, increasing numbers. I mean, you're not moving that much. You know, we're in the 30s, mid-30s kind of range. I don't know how to move those up. That's what he was working on, too.

Yeah. I mean, you know, I think this is kind of the sort of the million-dollar question because our facility isn't set up to sort. I think when you see large swings and percentages, you're talking about pulling more material out of the trash. And we just don't. That's really, I think, the way to see large swings in those numbers and we don't sort of trash. But I mean, you know, CMB recovery is big. I know Tim and the county's been working on some stuff there. I would say that if you look at the CMB numbers, some of that will follow seasonality, but we've recovered probably more than we have in the past couple of years. SB 54 may be a factor here in the long term. In the short term, I don't know how much of a factor it will be. But in the long term, SB 54, which is kind of this large, I'm going to call it recycling bill, essentially geared towards going to pull more material out of the waste stream and recycle more things. You might be able to see that as well. But again, it's sort of 50-50, Catherine. I mean, we only process what we receive, you know what I mean? I think the real answer is if we can get people to dispose of less trash than your green waste numbers or your recycling numbers, your CMV numbers go up, you know? So come along with an answer.

I mean, that's just a big picture.

Yeah, yeah. We always see seasonal stuff like Sandy is very seasonal. We always see, you know, variations can be very seasonal. But the real, I mean, the real kicker when it comes to actually numbers, numbers is always going to be just the MSW ratio. And right now it's at 8,000 versus 12,000. So, you know, you have a, kind of a diversion number here that fluctuates a lot. It's not as bad as Southlake. They're crazy seasonal. We didn't talk about that.

When you look at that number two, Catherine, just quickly on that graph where green waste, basically it has this ebb and flow and then it drops to zero and comes flat. Really just how we, how we, yeah, how we code it. Yeah. So instead of recognizing it as green waste, we now call it food waste, green waste. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Chris, you mentioned 150 customers last August. Is that significant for toll numbers in?

I mean, it's meaningful for sure. And some of that might be rate related. Some of that might be, you know, has to do with summer ending. More kids go back to school.

Did you see that last August? Is this something that you've seen before?

You know, I don't have the customer totals year over year.

question you know it's going to sound lame but weather is extremely impactful yeah like when it's hot no one wants to get out to do that you know um and so vacations there's uh you know schools going back and yeah there's a million different reasons why people yeah delay or plan a trip with the to the bird i'm just i'm one of those people yeah yeah and until here yeah um

I can look into August customer cap real for you. I can just see if that's a, I was also too. And I think maybe this is why we do the graphs, but like, if you looked at, if we were looking at July of 26, then you went and looked at July of 25, right. Or the number generally similar, which should tell you, yeah, we see that a lot. Those should not show a lot of seasonal variation.

and try to pop reference points on these graphs, like maybe July of each year, and that way it kind of pops out a little bit more by season. But yeah, this is crazy cyclical. This seems like a lot of trash. It can also be, again, I've preached this throughout the years, just from the county's perspective, economic active, you know, sometimes trash is one of the best indicators of economic activity. If you have a lot of trash, you generally have a lot of people purchasing, building, renovating, new home construction,

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Yeah. Just a lot of stuff. All right. I'm going to bring up Southlake to be fair. Thanks, Chris.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it sounds like education to get people to put things.

Yeah, there's, yeah, there's an element where other disposal needs to be more efficient, but there's an SDR needs to be more efficient. But there's also an element where Chris is correct, where they're a transfer station, they get the material that they receive. And it's reflective of the county's willingness to sort and educational levels about how they understand what they're supposed to do. So, you know, if you have a bunch of, you know, these men, I was at the Murph a couple of weeks ago or a couple of months ago. I saw a guy loading what looked like probably clean C and D, but it had trash all over it, you know, and again, sort of store separate. So getting people to sort of separate at the, you know, before they have a gatehouse, it's really important and stuff.

So, and there's this, there's this, um, we've talked about this, Doug, the last time there's this kind of, um, I want to call it, um, you know, tricky navigation between forcing people to source separate and allowing the customer to say, I'm here to do a transaction and this is the way I want to do it. And, you know, so I've leaned on our team to get a little bit more, um, yeah, yes. Um, kind of say, here's what you're going to do today and then allow the customer to say like, no, I'm not. And then, you know, um, so. It's a lot of those people have been going to the same facility. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, getting far in the weeds here. Tim also makes a good point, right? I mean, there's essentially two parts of the county where we don't collect their green waste, right? Because they're rural territories and they burn or whatever, but we collect their trash. So our trash volumes are by nature, probably going to be, I mean, Josh knows heavier, but if we were collecting more greenways there, that offsets a lot of trash.

And so, yeah, I mean, most people aren't going to take, you know, thousand beer cans to the Murph of the recycling. So they're going to be like, I'm going to take these to recycling or if you have a ton of greenways, you're like, so you guys kind of get the worst of the worst a lot. So, yeah. A lot of good contractors recycle their sheet material themselves. They're like, I'm going to keep this dimensional one. I'm going to keep this roof sheet thing because they're just going to use it on the next job. Yeah. We've had, I do CMD rules and everyone I talk to is like, so are you going to be able to recycle 65%? They're like, if I didn't, I wouldn't make money.

Yeah.

There's like a market incentive to recycle the materials. But they don't get credit for that. It's unfortunate. All right. STR, Catherine, I'm just going to bring yours up in case you want to talk about anything. I'll just summarize real quick. You're obviously in the middle of seasonality here with the data. I mean, what a spike there is. It's crazy. The highest highs. Green waste is going up. Food waste spikes like crazy. But let's talk about your season. How's it going?

Um, yeah, it's interesting, um, to hear that EDD is a little bit down at their transfer station because we are as well. Um, roll off is down transfer station tonnage, like cell Paul is way down. So, um, yeah, as we talk about sort of like potential economic indicators, that makes me wonder what's going on. Um, Yeah, but other than that, yeah, we're, like I said, we're in the middle of sort of our peak season as far as the highest volumes and the heaviest materials, including that C and D and like our asphalt recycling program. So those numbers are way up. Yeah, not a whole lot else to report, I don't think. I mean, I just, in thinking about, obviously SB 54 is meant to sort of address the sort of lack of recyclability of a lot of that single use packaging and stuff. But I just think it's important to sort of remember that like so much of what comes in isn't recyclable at all. I mean, we could be doing the best job, you know, sort of diverting what we can and still not be at a percentage where we really want to be because so much of this material there's no market for it at all to be recycled. So I just sort of, Sarah and I were talking about SB 54 before this meeting, and so that's just sort of top of mind. Thought I'd throw that out.

So are your spikes, you think, pretty much seasonal? Is that, some of them are higher than their prior seasons, but is that what you're thinking they are?

Yeah, most of it is related to seasonality. That figure is That one month, I think we had, so we haul our food waste weekly and we have five weeks. So it's just an extra sort of an extra week.

Yeah.

Yeah. It's very seasonal. Interestingly, I think our green waste has gone down slightly year over year from last summer and the summer before, which I think After the Caldor fire, we just had so much cleanup going on, and I think it's sort of simmered down a little bit.

That's a really good point. It could not last. You're right. People were getting rid of years' worth of pine needles and stuff in their yard. Now it's probably steadying out.

Yeah, I think it's sort of leveling off to what will probably be more the norm. I mean, we're still getting pretty good volume.

No, we lost you guys' audio. Sorry. Just cut out. Can you guys hear us? We lost your guys' audio. Try to reconnect.

You can. Mike, can you hear South Lake Tahoe?

No, I can hear you guys, but I can't hear anybody else.

Okay. Thank you.

Yeah, I heard. Yeah, they cut out and then. Okay. All right. Hold on.

One minute. I'm going to blow it up.

Yeah, the seasonality in Tahoe is extreme.

But also, when will we data show it? Yeah. Okay, we can hear you again.

Sarah, we missed some of what you were saying. Can you briefly repeat it?

Yeah, is there a graph for overall diversion rates?

Yeah, let me get to that. All right. Whoa.

All right.

Yeah, that's where you see the really big seasonality swings. Yeah. Is it generally Like, that spike in July is lower than other years-ish? Is that just random, or is there a trend?

So we are, in the past, we've had an MOU with Tahoe Asphalt. Yeah.

And so...

part of we're sort of limiting how much sort of honing in on exactly only like counting the material that truly would have come to STR if we had more space instead of sort of taking their overall number and the jurisdiction still I think could take their number of exactly how much like asphalt grindings they're generating but um we tried to hone in sort of in this year's agreement with them on only sort of supporting them financially and like having sort of crediting the material that would have otherwise come to str but goes to them just because we don't have the space oh because they're recycling it and putting it in their uh Yeah, they recycle it and put it back into their asphalt production. But they started sort of a more robust program that included materials that like would never have come here.

Oh, wow. Interesting.

So we don't feel like that was sort of a legitimate.

So you're, okay. So maybe.

It's good to judge the transfer stations from themselves. Every transfer station is different. You know, like Chris doesn't get a big credit for asphalt and weight. So, you know, his numbers hovering around 30 to 40%, we'd want to, that's why I created the long-term graph, because we're looking for trends over time at the MRF, the way they count.

Right. Right. And it's also different, right? So all in terms of commercial versus residential, and that also changes. Yep.

All right, you guys, anything else? Nope. Good. All right. Sorry about the mic cut out. I'll let you guys know if it happens again. Thanks.

Yeah.

Okay. So that's it. So if there's no other comments, the item is just receiving file. But that pulled off our discussion. So, okay. Great. Okay. We're going to move on. That's okay. 260602, the electronic annual reports. Wow. Lots of data here. So we just, gosh, sorry. I'll say we skip over the RDR lists. Did I? Well, that was in the consent calendar. Nobody wants to pull us. Yeah. So EARs from all the jurisdictions, first of all, thank you for all getting them done and getting them to me and Julie. We had a chance to review them. We did ours. I can start by talking about Eldorado County's kind of very similar to last time. Obviously, the state really doesn't update the format. They know some things are broken, but they still ask for it anyway. But otherwise, ours was pretty good. We saw kind of a removal of that aberration we had last year about really low diversion kind of came back to earth closer to 4 ppm. or PPD, which we expected. But I'll bring up the, did I? I didn't add, I just realized this. I did it, but I didn't add my thing where I show year to year. So I'm sorry, I didn't add the diversion number year to year. I always do a report. I don't know why, I must've just forgotten to put that on here because it's usually item F. So I'm sorry I didn't put that on here. There really wasn't anything wildly swinging from last time. It was pretty much similar trends to the time before. So I'm sorry I didn't put that up. I can't bring it up because of the meeting. But I think you would see most things were the same. Does anybody want to talk about? Dean is not here to talk about City of Placerville. Sarah, you can comment on south lake tau if you want to the csds are not or mike you're here but i'm not sure if you read it but um does anybody else want to talk about ear related stuff i mean nothing really sticks out of my mind it was pretty as expected i mean i don't know similar previous years we we had some weird things like the um Julie, we were talking about how we were dealing with route reviews. It was kind of weird. We had a big number last year and then a smaller number this year, but it was because how we were counting the route review and stuff. So we'll kind of fix that. But what we're going to do is next year, we're going to create kind of like more of a questionnaire for the haulers. That way you guys don't have to like... Yeah, we can just say numbers and then each... like, okay, this is how you should count success. But the state themselves admit that this report is not as useful as it could be. They don't really want to update it, and they're not updating it, and it's really frustrating. And they don't make an effort, a way to, like, just automatically fill the fields from last year, so you have to manually input stuff. It's really frustrating.

Couldn't work. I'm copying and pasting into the system.

It prints you a really garbled, I don't know if this is new, it prints you a really garbled PDF. So if you copy it, you just get like wingdings. So what I did was I created like, I used AI to create basically, I would input it into AI and recalibrate it and translate it. And then I could enter in the field. So it was just absolute nightmare. Perfect. a long time. So anyway, suffice to say, I guess we can move on to, I don't think there was anything real. And just kind of popped up to us that SB 1383 enforcement. We haven't really gone super hard on that, but to Julie's credit, we haven't really had to enforce. She's been able to get people into compliance with us.

I have a question or comment.

Okay.

Mike? Yeah. So I actually had looked at the EAR for Cameron Park CSD. Sure. And so is this prepared? Obviously, there must be some kind of sharing of information because the report says it's submitted by the general manager of CSD, but it contains information that I don't know how he would obtain unless it was provided to him from BDD. Yeah.

Yeah, Mike, that's generally how it works is we'll work directly with the jurisdictions, whether that's the county, the city of Placerville, or they basically, as they go through this, they request the information that's related to the hauler, as Tim alluded to, route reviews, or how many pickups of this or pickups of that, or exemptions, things like that. So we provide the general manager that information, and then he's the one who actually goes in here and fills it out.

Yeah, and I shared our EAR, Eldorado County Unincorporated, with Mark Hornstra. And, you know, that helps him kind of, it's kind of a cheat sheet. It can help him fill out stuff. Some of the more pedantic stuff, like, you know, like collection materials and stuff, because they're similar to, you know, incorporated areas. So he's able to fill this out correctly. So that kind of speeds up the process.

And then I have a question maybe Chris could answer. In the list of materials collected, because one of the things I pay attention to is just what people are throwing away and what people are recycling and how to educate people on what the difference is. It says it's a gable top carton. I'm assuming it's like milk cartons and such, like the paper milk cartons.

Yeah, so gable top cartons. We're talking about your... It's so crazy. Yeah, it's like you're, I would say there's so many variations of a juice container now. But yeah, it's essentially, you know, if you were to get like, I'm almost thinking. Well, it's like almond milk. Yes.

Something like that. Sorry to cut you off, but I went to a major recycling facility. I went down to Schnitzer's, which is like radius recycling. And I looked at their board. And so my understanding is that California is now charging CRV on like boxes, like on boxed. And I went to Grocery Outlet and I bought, what did they buy lately? I bought like chocolate milk or something. And there was a 10 cent CRV on the container of chocolate milk. And I had one of those plastic spouts and it was paper, but it was lined. Right. So those plastic lined containers, they charge CRV on that, but, um, this is probably off topic then is I actually have a question about why they did that and how, what they're expecting that what happened with that. So that's not really a truly recyclable item. That's just become a CRV item that they're just collecting. Right.

Yeah. So, yeah, so your gable top, exactly. It's like your triangular top container. So your almond milk or something like that, like Doug was mentioning. Over the past couple of years, my CRV redemption has expanded, you know, so kind of what you're mentioning, we take different things than we have in the past that used to be really straightforward, you know, plastic, tin, that type of thing. You can bring us your wine box now, and we have the CRV, the wine box, and the bag or whatever, right? Right. It's different. We'd be here for a while if we were going to talk about it, but it's changed, kind of continues to change.

But is there an economic strain for that? Are those actually getting processed and reused somehow?

Yeah. Mike, in the old school CRV program, any funds that were not paid out to constituents who recycled their material individually would be dispersed into a general fund for the state of California that would be allocated to the jurisdictions proportionally based on their population. So the county actually every year gets about $40,000 from unclaimed CRV throughout the state. And we've actually used it in the last couple of years to buy equipment for the litter crew. I just bought a truck for the litter crew, a new litter pickup truck for them. And we installed all those water fountains in El Dorado Hills. That was some of the projects I actually managed. I managed that program. Now with the expanded CRV with like milk cartons and cardboard, I don't know where those funds are going. They're really strict about the, the beverage containers, like to the point of where I was like, so I need to buy this new truck. And they were like, well, how many cans are you going to pick up a bit? And I was like, uh, really? Like, well, do you do anything else with it? I'm like, no, we pick up bottles and cans and trash. And I had to justify that because the trash was integrated into the bottles and cans that I could spend the money for the truck using those funds. So there might be another fund balance for cardboard and those kinds of CRV charges, but I actually don't know where the money is. It might be legally allowed to be used on a variety of things.

Yeah, Mike, and just to maybe add one more thing, right? When you say, you know, is there actually like a stream for wine bags? You know, politely, what I'm going to tell you is the state thinks so. Um, but, but I, you know, I mean, um, again, we're kind of a processor and they say you should redeem that. And we say, okay. But I think, um, you know, again, we're maybe a little bit carpet before the horse here, but SB 50, this is kind of, this is kind of their thing. Right. So, um, we'll see how far along 54 gets or what it looks like. Um, but. 54 is going to ask that we do things like this, that more of this stuff gets pulled out and recycled.

Hopefully incentives to do so.

I just couldn't imagine, let's say you have a container full of milk cartons and almond milk cartons and wine boxes. I just don't understand where those are going to end up and who's actually going to process them and separate the plastic out of the paper. I don't

So I'm just curious about that law.

I mean, there are jurisdictions that have that. It's like if you look at jurisdictions in some places, and sometimes the rates are much higher than ours, but they have markets for this. And I mean, I know we have a lot more markets now where places are going. Just looking at these reports, it's like, oh, and we go here and here and here. I mean, we've added a lot. but it has to be within reasonable distance that we can take it. Yeah.

Good question. I have another question on this point, on another point. I mean, down on page 17, it talks about number of edible food generators that received material. That just means there's four, so that means four edible food generators, so some kind of a restaurant or grocery store or whatever, so only four received like instructional material.

Yeah, so that would be, Julie, I think you can back me up on this, that would be Safeway, Raley's, Forklift, and Cameron Park, and then probably Moonraker. So the, Mike, those are talking about those... tier one and tier two facilities in the Cameron Park CSD that had received educational material, the facilities that cross that threshold that need to do that are Forklift, Raleigh's, Safeway, and Moonraker. Those are the only facilities that are large enough to be to interact with Julie on that level.

And we provide all of this information for Ed LePoud recovery for all the jurisdictions. So yeah, if you're seeing this on any of them.

So if you looked up, if I pulled up Eldorado Hills CSD's EAR, it would be a different number.

Yeah, and something to keep in mind with the edible food recovery is that I think it was two years ago we did our large audits for all of these. So it kind of looks wonky when we talk about the difficulty of this reporting is that This year, it doesn't show that we did those audits because we didn't do them in this year. They've all been done for all of the edible food recovery organizations. It was just reported in a different year. So yeah, so if it says there hasn't been any audits, that would be why. Although we did do some for Cantor Park this past year to help onboard the new staff. And then there, oh, you know what? And there's a new grocery outlet. Now that I think about it. But I don't think we included them because they were so brand new. Yeah.

So now it'd be five, five facilities in Karen Park. Mike, does that square? Oh, wait, where'd he go? He's Spanish. All right. We'll see if he comes back. FYI, if a member just has to go to the bathroom or something, they miss a vote and

Nicholas Alberson- Absence. Nicholas Alberson- So, so to my point, are we, if we're getting a CRV for these Nicholas Alberson- Gable containers mostly they're going to cardboard right the class on that we're we're seeing this there. Nicholas Alberson- Yeah, yeah. Nicholas Alberson- Those are trash.

Nicholas Alberson- Well, so that's Nicholas Alberson- Just Nicholas Alberson- Sort of what I would do is the with the space.

Yeah.

I mean, I, you know, I, I can be honest with you, Doug, I'm not sure what the end market for that works like.

Yeah. What might be helpful is we can provide you the list that for SB 54, our cycle has identified should be recyclable items. And, and then now we're in the process of going through that list and saying, what do we have resources for here in El Dorado County? Liz Recycled, but it's not. We can apply for waivers for certain things that we don't have an N-Market for.

Yep, and some of it will be, some of it are, when you look at the before, to this point, sorry, I did it at the time. Some of it's going to be, what equipment do we currently have to be able to process this? And we can file an exemption for, I don't have optical sorters. I can't pull that material out. Or it can be, We don't, we haven't identified any end market or somebody that's willing to take this. So I can't take it and then just throw it in the back corner.

And we're doing zero sorting. We're not.

We really only sort C and D at our transfer station. Yes.

And that's part of it before is they're trying to get an idea of, can we give you money to support you being able to process these items? So PowerCycle is offering monetary benefits. We just don't know what that number is. They haven't given us a number. So it's just kind of like.

It's going to be a one-shot deal. It's going to be annually.

Yeah. So, like, I know when we did the tour for Placer County, for their facility, they did mention they were using AI to practice pulling out these types of items. They didn't have a place to send them yet, but they've been kind of trying to practice seeing if their systems could sort of. those types of products when there is a market for it, you know?

Yeah. And I would say on the 54 related stuff, we're still very early to Julie's point about, we don't know what that number is. I think it's because California doesn't understand how large that number is going to be when, you know, when an optical sorting machine costs you three and a half billion dollars and you need however many of them across the state that you're asking these things to do, um, We'll see. It'll be interesting.

In those conversations with them now about the cost of what it would be to do this level of recycling.

Yeah, we'll see what they say. It depends on the state's budget. Mike, I'm going to move you back to panelists. You survived. I'm going to Flip this several times. Okay, there we go. All right, Mike, you're back. I hope we answered your question. You're muted. All right.

All right. Sorry, I was just noticing that there was two different, sections that people received material. So what's the one that says to all generators? It says number of generators that received SLCP material. What's the difference between that one and the edible food generators? Who's receiving? It says 19,977 received material. What does that mean?

Yeah, so that's the customer base. Yeah, that's the customer base of Cameron Park CSD.

So that would be. Okay. All right. So that's just basically every customer.

Yeah. I think these numbers might've been imported from unincorporated. So direct contact.

They just received some type of an application.

Yeah. Print was probably on the bills or mailers and then electronic was. Email. Email. And then direct contact was phone calls, I think, and those kinds of things. Right. Yeah, we walk in. Okay.

All right. Then the last final thing I wanted to ask about was the information about the routes being inspected. Okay. And then the number of the number. So there's a number of routes. And then there was a number of, I guess, addresses that got inspected. Then there was 440 violations.

Sounds about right. The Cameron Park. Yeah. I was at violations loose. Yeah. But yeah.

Oops. Tags would be no.

Yeah. So 440 violations out of 1,952 containers.

Yeah.

That's okay. I just wanted to check on that.

Three people on my court going. Yeah. I would say keep it.

All right. That's 22 and a half percent.

Yep. Keep in mind too, Mike, that, um, there, you know, an inspection only goes so far. I'm, I'm not going to dig to the bottom of your container and rope open the bag that's in the bottom. So, um, Dare I say people get smart.

Good indication of contamination.

I know I got one in my green waste bin and I think I use those green what do they call those green those green bags and then I put my kids eat off paper plates and bowls all the time and so those plates have a little green writing on them that says they're compostable so I put those in there, and maybe it's possible that the driver thought that those weren't proper or something. I don't know. But I got the tag, and I was like, I don't know why you're telling me about this. I put what I'm supposed to put in there.

Yeah, no, I mean, it's good to, you know, again, the word violation is loose. It's helpful.

Yeah, I think there are more notes. We also got one. And it was because my husband, we didn't have much cycle material. So we put a big box in that wasn't all folded up. It was, here's plenty of room in the cart. Yeah. And it's like, no, you're supposed to put it in there. It's like, okay. I mean, I'm not sure that I knew that. But it's like, okay, so now we are. I mean, it wasn't in a way that was unfriendly or anything. It's just like, oh, didn't realize that, you know, all these years never happened before. Yeah. You know? So, I mean, I think it's good that people know that you're paying attention.

Yeah.

Because, you know, I just keep hearing from people, it's like, I want to do the right thing. I'm just not sure what's right. Yeah.

Yeah, I like the right reviews.

I mean, they're effective. And to put that in perspective, I mean, if you've got 1,900 accounts, 440 notices, that's not necessarily 20%. It's over a year, right? So 440 violations over a year, I mean, that's not that many.

Right, it could have been 1% in quarter one and 30% in quarter two or something like that.

Yeah, my thought is that how many pickups did you have over the year on those 1,900 accounts? Yeah, a lot.

Yeah, that's one of the only ways we're going to get contamination out of the waste stream and get these diversion numbers up. The transfer stations is just... It's like, no, this is incorrect.

We still talk about it at my house, you know, about, hey, this says it's recyclable, but it's not. And even with the list, it's, you know, it doesn't fit into any easy category.

Unfortunately, we're getting some change in that, too, downstate. You know, the bench, they're really making, I forget what the bill number is, but they're making a push to Truly label, recycle, economically recyclable materials, not just anything made out of recyclable materials. No more generic recycling. If you are recyclable, it's concise.

We're kind of always thinking about, we might have talked about this last time, different ways of helping clarify things. So, you know, all of our newer containers probably going back.

Yeah, it was, you know, um, It's supposed to help with that too, because it's putting the onus on the producer. I say, here's a list of products that are, you can use in order to do your packaging. And then this can be recycled here so that they're trying to make that connection. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, that's probably a long time coming, but yeah, I don't say they're sold in California. You're supposed to need those recycles.

Yeah, you're going to see a lot of change. One more clarification. I know that since we've got our green waste bin and things like paper plates and paper bags and all that, can you remind me if those go into recycling, are they now contamination? If you're saying... Do we want those in our recycle carts, like the compostable materials, the paper materials?

Technically, if they're, what do we call, food soiled, they're not recyclable.

True. But the cardboard or a box or... Yeah.

Yeah. If it's you get an Amazon box and you break it down, I would toss it in the recycle.

The pizza box is the latest test. It seems like it's recyclable inert, but it's actually an organics recycling because it almost always has oil. So... Yeah. Double oil. That's, yeah.

That's kind of... Where you put the top of the recycle?

That's kind of one of the... That's a good... have an Amazon box and a pizza bar. They're both recyclable, but just different. And getting that, you know, getting that right is... But then you have the wax-coated pizza. Yeah. So, in a society that makes everything, you get really, really hard to recycle. So... Okay. EAR is complete. We're going to move on. Is that okay, Southlake? All right. Thumbs up. Let's go to the next thing. The EdSwag calendar are 260612, the 2027 EdSwag calendar. So again, we have the same kind of general gist. It's January, April, and July. And then we have the early meeting in September. Many people would ask why the early meeting in September? Well, if we do a meeting in October, then it's very, if we need to go to the board, it's very difficult. Like it's just, I mean, that's right before the election. So it's just, it's just generally better to meet earlier and then call it because November and December at any kind of like elected issue is just not going to happen. So I popped this one back. It's kind of supposed to be a follow-up to July. It's kind of what we're supposed to be doing in September. So this calendar looks good to everybody. We can approve it. I keep it really simple because we're just following up with our goals and And we pop the EAR and then redo the calendar every year. We're going to continue to have the meetings here. Just for logistics. Does anybody have any comments on this?

I can see it's very healthy to have it so far. Thanks.

Yeah, it's good to do. I checked the holidays. It's not contrasting in any one day. I did the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. Let's make sure things are honest. So if you guys want to approve the calendar, you just make a motion.

Before we approve that, do we? I always like, you know, if we do a field trip, it doesn't have to be a meeting. We can do that offline.

I always do a field trip whenever you want. And if you want to make a field trip part of that agenda, then we can talk about that, do that. But, you know, I think moving away from structured field trips is important because we don't always have fun.

Would there be an issue if more than a quorum of folks were meeting outside of a public meeting? Is that an issue? It depends on the context.

If you're doing something informational, like going on a tour or something like that, I don't think it's a big deal. If you're taking any kind of action on agenda items or working on something, that would be an issue. The Ad Hoc Committee has a wide berth to be able to work on their stated mission objectives. So the Ad Hoc Committee can meet that.

I'll defer to your guidance on that.

Yeah.

OK.

So is there a motion to approve the calendar?

I'll motion to approve the calendar.

Second. I'll second it. Chris? Yep. OK. All right. Let me read it off. Doug. Dixon. Katie. Aye. Sarah. Mike.

Aye.

Mike, you're muted.

I unmuted it too fast. Aye.

Aye. There you go. Chris, Catherine. All right, the motion passes 7-0. All right, calendar set for next year. I'll set up those meetings. I always do it on like, it's like I wake up on New Year's Day. I can't do it beforehand because the items will say 25. The prefix will be 25. So I have to wait for 26. So I'll have to wait till next year. But I was trying to grab those early numbers, those low numbers. But actually, there's a little bit of a rush on that first week, all of a sudden, like hundreds of people. Because all the people doing the same thing as me, there's like structure and stuff all over here. Okay. Okay, the goal, 260610. Environmental Management Department recommended the committee discuss the committee's goals and objectives for 2026 and 2027. Normally, we do this in January. But we've had kind of a tricky year this year. We commissioned an ad hoc committee in April and it never met. So we should probably talk about how we want to do this. I kind of think of this year as a gimme. It was like we kind of just, after the massive last year, I mean, we did the five-year review. We were in the middle of SB 1383. We did all the reforms. I did the bylaws and everything. We did the presentation. I don't think it was unreasonable to have an off year. So, but you want to make sure that next year something gets done.

And I think a lot of that falls on my, you know, I had a lot bigger agenda and goals and a lot of stuff came up and wasn't able to dedicate time to organize that ad hoc committee.

So I just want to state this. It doesn't have to be an ad hoc. You can have a freestyle year where each member goes and does their own thing and reports back. You don't have to present anything to the board. There's already an annual presentation that Doug's doing tomorrow that's just kind of a health checkup. You know, we don't have, you guys don't have to accomplish anything that, requires you to go to the board or give a present. None of that is set in stone. It just means that I just think that the board wants to see that when they look at 2026, what did you guys get done? So the reason we switched to four meetings a year was we were going to move more towards independent committee members or ad hoc. So whatever the committee feels like is appropriate, that's how you guys can move on forward. Now, the goal language this year, let me pull it up. Sorry. But again, it's not unreasonable. Everyone's very busy. So our goal this year was kind of our canned language goal, the same thing. But the key thing was to follow up on the 2025 solid waste management plant, sorry, review by developing a focused evaluation and monitoring. going to just sit down and say this very vague statement. That could be a lot. That could be a lot of things.

It doesn't have to be. If it isn't, then you should talk to them.

So you guys can try again next year with the same strategy. The Ad Hoc Committee has still legally been created. So we can just try again next year. Maybe just everyone takes a break, then You know, Doug, you still have stuff to talk about tomorrow. The head start performs. We kind of shuffled. You know, people were very busy this year, so I think it's okay to be honest about that and just say we're coming at it in 2027 with a more aggressive ad-hoc.

Yeah, focused. Absolutely. And I appreciate you putting that presentation together.

Yeah. Sounds like, Todd, do you have any comments on our goals this year?

or next year kind of like where you want to go and what you guys like doing and what works for you um yeah i mean i just wanted to express my willingness to continue kind of working on that kind of metrics and monitoring piece that we had intended to do after the putting together the spreadsheet this year like i'm still willing to do that i don't want to lose the um kind of like i don't know that intellectual work that we did and kind of forget it but um you know i'll take y'all's lead but i just wanted to say i'd be willing to to meet and continue that work so but i'll defer to the group okay yeah i think that's a good idea just to meet so i mean doug you were on the ad hoc committee so i think as the chair it'd be appropriate for you to begin to

getting it going. Again, my role in this committee is more of a secretarial role or administrative assistant role. I don't call meetings. I don't make decisions. I don't vote. So I can support the meetings and provide notice and stuff like that, but I cannot start them. So someone on the committee will have to deal with it.

I would suggest like somebody from the draft and work from the draft.

Yeah, sometimes it's just about getting people. Yeah, so sometimes it's just about getting started. It's a lot easier for people to jump in when there's something that started.

And if you want to meet with the assembly, order something, you won't be able to.

Yeah. The adult committee, again, has a lot of brain to do things. So you can schedule meetings. And as long as people can make it and show up, if they can't make it and miss a few, then it's okay. The committee's in trouble. That's why I add up when he's existed.

So thanks for your input. Well, that's on my to do and will do list.

Okay. And you don't have until next year to get started. So you can get it started this year and we can, I mean, you got almost four months here for the next meeting. So you can do some stuff over the holidays and kind of just at least get the ball moving and then Then you have a lot of time next year to work on something. You get to get to the board earlier, you know, whatever. And again, if any NSWAC member wants to take the initiative on a project, they're always allowed to. You know, you can always do something and report back. That's what I've kind of always encouraged since I started administering the committee was just like, if you want action taken on something, then go do it. You know, go get out there, go talk.

And personal audit system where I'm digging through coins.

yeah well you know it's yeah go get the data go get the facts you know see what's going on go talk to business groups go talk to every the d the d members here d3 d4 you guys represent an area you know and you have a jurisdiction get out there all right um We don't, we're going to come back and prove technically we approve goals and objectives in January. So let's do any formal approval. But again, we have approved goals and we haven't approved now.

Actually, yeah. I wanted to mention 2027, because if we wanted to talk about different goals in 2027, these are great. and goals. And I think that last item is general enough. It gives us a lot of leeway to do what junior vendors want to do. So I don't necessarily need, I just wanted to throw that in there in case anyone had additional goals they wanted to add to the team setting. Let's start discussing that. Yeah, I think it's still the goal.

So, I mean, you don't need to change it. And you can just refine and change. All right. Okay. Anything else, Southlake?

I don't think so.

Yeah, okay. All right, we're almost done. 260607, Department of CSD's 1383 implementation. I'm going to change this with the blessing of the board just to kind of, or the committee, just to say, and also include more like SB54 and kind of like the up-and-coming stuff. It's not like SB1383 is done. It's just we're kind of, We're kind of like slowing down a little bit on it. It's kind of like we've got over the hump of the initial rollout, and we're going to continue to update the committee about what's happening with SB 133, but there's other things that are also extremely relevant. So we're going to keep this item as a placeholder for just any, generally any state programs, usually heavily involved in jewelry and haulers. So we'll kind of keep it as an open discussion item. I think that's appropriate. So I'm just going to add this. But anyway, Julie, do you want to talk about anything we've been doing with the county? I mean, we're closed up on a lot of our grants. We're kind of closed up. Yeah, I got paid. We had the weird bureaucratic thing where we couldn't pay them, but we can.

We have to ask to pay them twice. Fortunately, we got permission to pay them, but now we have to ask permission again.

Yeah, it's really, really silly. Fortunately, we have to do that every three years. So that's nice. Just do that once and then we'll do it again. I'm putting together a board item about purchasing compost using county general funds to purchase compost. I believe that's an appropriate use of county general funds. But county general funds, or excuse me, franchise fees. Franchise fees are unfortunately commingled in county general funds, so pulling those out is not necessarily going to be easy. So that's at the board's This is the board's discretion, so I'm going to be talking to them about this and just saying, hey, would you be willing to allocate some of those franchise fees to procuring compost so we can continue this successful program? They'll have to obviously talk to their constituents.

And you're purchasing the compost to put into the classical area? Yeah.

So we'd basically be continuing the program. We would purchase it by the ton and make it free to citizens so they could get it.

And I know classical isn't here. How is the Any additions of information on that program?

They've been game for it. I mean, they made all their procurement targets out of that facility. So the continued health of that facility would be imperative. So it's like we're offering to continue to do it. Purchasing that level of compost will probably not meet the county's procurement targets, but it will be a baseline that will allow us to say, look, in every year slightly, you know, going from there, I don't, you know, whether or not they want to actually get to the real procurement targets, that's a political decision, you know, financial decision. I mean, me saying, you know, I think it's like when you're, I want to get off the, I don't want to have zero because then you go into the zero club and that's what is going to attract attention here in our cycle, the J's. Like if we have a baseline, they're going to be like, okay, they're not meeting their target.

I think there's been a previous meeting about large users of compost and possibly coordinating with some farms and other folks around here. Is that still available for them?

Yeah, definitely. I mean, basically what we do now, because as they mentioned, there's grant funding that runs out and things like that. We can still coordinate delivery of compost for large users or for personal users. Um, those folks essentially just pay us transportation costs. Right. Um, and so, and it's really the same in a way for the County, right? Like what they're paying per ton, um, is really just a transportation cost. So theory, nobody's actually, you know, like customers aren't buying compost. Um, if we're bringing it directly to them, they're just paying the immediate speed and more or less. But some of our big ones, we deliver a lot of compost like Lava Cap Winery. We've done with business, we've delivered compost to Madrona Vineyards. Some folks out on the Edco B territory as well. Some folks out in Edco C. So really it's kind of as the farmers needed requests at space. So yeah. And I think

Is that word of mouth that they're getting that information?

Yeah, we've done some education outreach and things of that nature. When we're out at booths or table events, we tell folks about it. And then we are, you know, it depends on where we're at, but we're exploring like bagged compost.

This year we partnered with parks and we offered two events at Lotus Park. So people could come pick up compost there. So they don't have to make the full drive down the bus.

So I've gotten some feedback from the compost and that is that the quality of the compost was not for our native plants. So it was like for ground cover, fine. But for using on your vegetable garden, it was... Wasn't working.

Was it too hot? Maybe or too.

I think maybe, or maybe like too chunky. You need to. Did they mix it? Well. You can't just put it.

This starts, yeah. This starts the end of it. Crazy opening here. I can talk about this as I'm a soil scientist.

Well, but I think just the, what we don't want is the word, I'm sorry, I thought I turned the rice in off, but this, you don't want to have the, have it such that people are going to say this is important. So one of them would go over where they said they tried to use it. And I mean, they're a big name. We don't want to have it where that we get, they're saying, well, yeah, you can get the compost, but quality. So I didn't know what, where this was coming from, how this was being produced, but yeah.

We've got the soil reports.

Yeah, this is just random material. They have data on it. It's coming from a certified organic facility. Yeah.

It may be important because the word out is about the quality.

I saw some discussions online about that, you know.

Yeah, from my district and in Bowman.

Yes. And it's not potting soil. It's not planting soil. It's compost. And so I think for us to be clear what it is, I think, I don't think the person needs explanation, but maybe. No, there's a lot of people that don't know how to use dense or dense.

Yeah. You know, it's like, it's one thing for, you know, keeping your weeds down. It's another to putting the vegetable, I mean, you know, We accomplished it all. So I think that's, you know, by quality of thought. And so I just think that we want to be careful because we want this to go well. And if there's any, you know, we get some resistance and then they're all talking to each other or, you know, like go to the Brokers Association meetings, talk to them. That type of thing would be helpful.

Sure.

I like that the solar report is available. Yeah. Yeah. There's mistakes people can make here. Just admittedly, even experienced farmers, you know, compost can be very acidic. And if they dump too much on there and have a certain watering regime or something like that, it can shock plants really bad. That can happen. A lot of growers are too aggressive with compost. They add too much and it changes their soil pHs. It changes all of a sudden their kind of exchange capacity in their round. It changes the way water is retained. Sometimes you compost is really good at water retention. So if you add a lot and you're in the middle of the summer in Sacramento and you're watering your plants, all of a sudden you might be overwatering and stuff like that. So it's really hard. The soil report should be the authority on whether that is a quality compost or not. But there's so many downstream mistakes you can make with compost. A lot of people think it's black gold and you just throw it in your plants and it's fine. It's like, no, if you have sensitive plants, you're going to If you have certain plants that are sensitive to being too acidic, it's going to thrash them. If you're overwatering, it's going to thrash them. So it's just like, I mean, I've been seeing people...

There will be some information moving out with it. I mean, I think just we want this to go well. So it's like we're hearing... That's a good point.

Like when people come to us, like when we do an event...

So report if you want to... Your own line right here. Yeah.

Or to just like, you know, just use the mix of products. So it'll mix with. Yes.

You know, I put people to the master gardeners when they have those kinds of questions.

Well, I mean, I think it's just if if you're starts to be that chatter in the community, we want to know about it. You can address it. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So, OK, well, we'll get that online and get that better. I think that I think the soil report is the authority. it's just for them to know that and also to know for produce yeah yeah because you know a home compost you can use differently you can't that may be the thinking that's working there is the issue of you know custody meaning that like is it take is it too spending too much time but you know that's something else we want to talk about chris if we have a blurb or information just talking about how the material is handled because you guys are trucking it right back So it's not like it's sitting on a yard for like six months or something. That's where it can become inactivated and stuff. And the microbial populations can die out over time if they don't have water. Your guys' loop system is refreshing and constantly. So I don't think there's any engineering controls that they could take that would make it much better.

Is it our material or just material we're getting from other places? It's all flamingos or?

It's a combo, right? Um, but all of our curbside material is essentially mixed into that. So, and then, um, you know, we, we kind of worked through two different, um, organics recovery facilities, both of them, as you mentioned, they're certified ones of static composting, which is essentially sits in piles and rotated and then it goes through like the screening process and just this kind of thing. Um, but yeah, all, all of the commercial and residential organics that we collect here. in theory, comes full circle via the compost and comes back here. So, yeah, and to mention Tim's point, I mean, that process, when the bunker is, I would say, can take it, that's happening weekly, you know, so it's not like we get a bunch of material in January and then never again until August or something like that.

Yeah, because time can be, and also if the compost is being flushed, It's not cured properly. That can be an issue, but I don't think that's happening. I think they're windrowing clean. Their organic certification would be off. Yeah. And you would see poor numbers in the data sheet. That's where you would start to see poor numbers in the data sheet. You wouldn't have cured properly if you didn't see the appropriate data.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

No, it's there. There it is right now. Definitely the data sheet and the engineering process of how the compost is delivered to Eldorado County.

Yeah, and that it's all material.

Yes. Yes.

Okay, so we on the...

Wait, I was going to let the other jurisdictions talk. So I talked about Eldorado County. Sounds like, do you want to talk about SB 1383 at all? Yeah, anything you want to talk about?

Yeah, I can show it. Right along.

All right. All right. I guess there's nobody else. The CSDs aren't really doing anything.

All right. We'll just move on. Well, now moving on to announcements and comments. Any announcements from committee members? I think we've got one. Okay.

Okay. And this is Sierra Rats on Society, which is basically an educational group called Walter and adults that are retired and they meet once a month and have speakers. So we have had two presentations in the past and they're looking for another one because they're getting lots of questions about what can be recycled. You know, I mean, I get people calling me all the time. Okay, well, I have this in my kitchen. What do I do with this? And so I think this would fit well with, you know, they'd like to get in the right spot. They just aren't sure where that is. Yeah. So they were looking at three meetings. I'd be happy to kind of help or introduce or whatever on it. But out of those three, one of them, I will be out of the country. So either August 20th or October 15th will be available. And it is from... one to three.

But this is next year, 2027.

Yeah, yeah. We're already in this year. Yes, next year. Next year. Okay, okay.

Maybe we mean locally?

Yes, they do. It's on the intersection of Pleasant Valley and Surry Flat and the what's that association?

Clients. Clients. Yeah.

Yes, that market. Yeah, in the building.

If you have, you should have my email contact. Yeah. At least in one of the Ed Slack emails. Okay. If you want to connect me with them, I'm happy. We're happy to do a presentation. Yeah, there's some educational materials.

Julie will be back from attorney leave at that time next year, August, October, October. August, October.

So yeah, I should be back.

We might be on the job of that too. So yeah, please coordinate with Christian Joel.

So I think right now they mainly want to know what's the date and then they will comment.

Oh, okay.

Yeah. And maybe they can send some questions ahead of time so they can be prepared for the next next notes.

Yeah, those kind of presentations are really key. And I encourage that Slack members to be part of them, but to do them. Going to your chambers of commerce, going to your, are those typically like middle of the week?

They're all Friday. Always on a Friday. I'm going to say, I'm just going to, I mean, I'm familiar with our outreach teams calendar, not super,

better but again if you just connect us and then i can so they're they're fine they're just they're filling out their calendar next year yeah so let's just say october let's do october okay i didn't notice tim on the swac website we have our old schedule on there i need to i need to basically

terminate that website. I was going to keep Ed Swack information on. Yeah, because it's got old minutes. I just want it to be like the brief information and then a link to legislature.

That's good. And I do like that you have the archive minutes on there. Yeah. I'm sure you still want to keep that up, but it has our bylaws and things like that.

Yeah, the bylaws, you know, again, just the bylaws and then a link to legislature. Or a link to the, you know, gym guide. Actually, the clerk has The clerk's office has extensive information. Yeah.

I think a website should still be there. Yeah. It's going to, it's going to stay there with just, just regular. It just has the old meeting schedule. Yeah. I'll get ready. Okay. All right. Go ahead.

You appear. I mean, so there wasn't. Yes.

We'll always throw it up. If something comes up, we'll just, you know, It's not that we know not everyone can come, but we'll always let you ask me. It's just toward a lot of the facilities we have.

Okay, any other committee announcements? Yes, I forgot. I'll be presenting to the board supervisors tomorrow. Thank you, Tim, again for preparing the PowerPoint. I'll go over it. I'll, I'm going to, you know, my style is to speak very conversational and passionate.

Yeah, and just remember that the criticisms are, This is a tricky report because it's supposed to be just a health check-in to say, hey, what's going on? What's going on with EdSwag? But the board loves, like, they want to hear data points. So if you can, like, pop anything, like, about diversion or talk about where we're going or something like that, you can throw those phones out to them. We've just kind of been a little ambushed about that.

If you have any last minute, Chris, give me some data points here.

Sure. Yeah.

If you want to text or follow the email, I can get you something for the end of the day. And I'll be there. If it's relatively quick or whatever.

All right. I'll send you the thing I didn't put on EdSwap, which is the overall jurisdictional number or something. And then we'll do that after the meeting. And then, you know, just be ready for anything.

Sometimes it's a strange way. I know. Yeah. I didn't get this notice in the mail about this class action lawsuit. I'll say, I don't know.

Oh, is that, what is it?

Oh yes, yes, yes. Yeah, this is up in the morning.

Would get more.

Sorry. There was some talking points on that. Yeah, yeah. Unrelated to the. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I mean, they like that. I mean, I would say people are there to make the choices. So we're going to do your vote. How many did you get?

Yeah, I think a fair maybe just touch point, we'll call it, would be what Tim mentioned, which is typically solid waste, trans-volatile economic trends. So the economy is good. A lot of traction.

Yeah. All right. Any committee member announcements in Tahoe? No. Okay. Okay. Staff announcements. Obviously, Julie's going on a trip. So congratulations, Julie. Well, not too long. We'll be back next year. And then otherwise, I just wanted to announce that we submitted our basically request to become the local enforcement agency finally. So it's going to be moving potentially to the CAO's office, which me and Robin Dauber, my subordinate, will be administering this landfill inspection program. So that's going to be kind of cool. We'll be inspecting other disposal like once a month. We just have to kind of go through the formal process of changing it. On the flip side, we're also trying to unload our private party complaint. So we're not going to be dealing with like solid waste complaints in private parties anymore, like bear boxes, those kinds of programs, they're all funded at the end of the administration code. Which kind of moves us to being more of a traditional solid waste program rather than being kind of like half code enforcement officers and half like, we'll actually be doing kind of a similar to what most other solid waste. So that's nice. I'm kind of, that's taken a lot of my time to just engineer that. It's kind of hard to ask people to do bars. Other county departments do more work. And we want to focus more on roadside litter abatement and Google dumping, which is kind of like, we want to interface directly with the cops on that.

So that's a real big problem. It is. On one of my weekly bike rides, you probably know it, Big cut. Yeah.

My God.

Yeah. I'll see a boat. I'll see the motorcycle. I'll see the refrigerator.

Yeah. It's terrible. So we got, you know, our boys are out there all the time. So it's like, they're kind of a Vanguard and, you know, and figuring this out. So what we want to do is have kind of create a streamlined system where we can interface with BDSO, maybe an individual over there consistently and, and bring up these things. If we find evidence that's like links it to somebody that we can actually take action, criminal action, Not like, hey, you violated the code. Here's a $150 fine or something, but like real, like a real action. There's a $1,000 fine.

Maybe, yeah.

Or impounding a vehicle that dumped, you know, or something like that. And putting up signs that say this area is under surveillance and using surveillance. So we're in this like flock camera hysteria and there's issues about civil rights, about You know, about tracking people and stuff, but man, I'm not going to lie. They would be really helpful. Because you see one of those people with something in the car and then all of a sudden the stuff disappears and it's like a road down. Okay. You know, and I know we know exactly where these sites are. We know exactly where they don't. So it's kind of like getting those areas, maybe under surveillance is something I want to talk to EDSO about.

Yeah, it doesn't have to be a clock, but just like those wildlife cameras, they only go on when something's there.

Yeah, so I used those. I did a pilot program with those. It was really hard to find funding because no one wants to pay for them. And a couple of the cameras got stolen. Um, they were, that made it difficult, but then you have to have the right kind of cameras that can see the plates. There's actually different ones that can see plates and people better. They have different types of types of resolutions. So you actually have to have two. And then we caught some illegal activity that was not related to solid waste and we had to get rid of the program because all of a sudden started getting weird.

Um, so yeah, so yeah.

I don't want to go into it, but I would laugh if you saw what happened. Nonetheless, just use your imagination. So, you know, we, I honestly dislike the idea of popping signs that say this area is under surveillance. They don't have a camera that says this area is under surveillance.

Surveillance can be, you know, depends on what you're.

Yes, exactly. I don't want to like maybe do that, like maybe. put more science out or pop those illegal dumping sites that we know people are at and be like, we know this is an illegal dumping site. This area is under routine spam. Do not, you know, those kinds of things, those kinds of deterrents and see where they go, where they scatter to. And then, you know, if we can't get a handle on this, realistically, we're going to talk about licensing. We're going to talk about licensing haulers, junk waste haulers, and you don't get to go in the door of their business unless you're a licensed one. don't care wait no more mom and pop junk calling oh i needed a job on the side it's like no and if you're caught doing it but you can get pulled over in your car you can tear a trailer and get impounded but you listen so your your thoughts are a lot of these sites are perpetual or habitual dumpers oh yeah they're almost all habitual we i mean we were cleaning up the one in cameron park with the gabbro soils and two guys started driving down the street with a load of of waste and just saw the cop and me sitting there just being like, are you serious right now? And they just turned around very slowly. And the cop's like, I'm going to go run them down. Because it's like, they were going there to dump when we were cleaning it up.

And they're running like, oh, I'll dump your stuff.

I think what he's saying is they never end up. They never just no more. Based to the side of the road. If you look at the type of material normally that you see,

So we're talking about saying, look, if you don't have a license, you don't get into the MRF. So that way we can tell the public, if you hire an unlicensed person, it's going to wind up on the side of the road and now it's your responsibility. And you're going to have to pay the $1,000 fine. It's a lot of education, but yeah. So you can pay a licensed contractor more or you can pay a $1,000 fine and we'll fund your stuff. By the way, because they always dump mail They always dump your things on it, so we're going to figure it out. One unique problem we've had is illegal dumpers who are buying storage units from storage units in Sacramento, and they'll go through everything that they do. They'll pick out anything they want, and then they'll take the waste and dump it here. I called the storage units, and I'm like, I did an investigation, figured out it was a family that had a storage unit. Someone died. They auctioned it. I called the storage unit. I was like, can you tell me who bought it? I'm like, We can't tell you that without a warrant.

Hey, I go through that process. So I need to, we need to spend time. Why do you think they brought it up here versus somewhere down there?

There's so much space up here.

So much space, darkness. Yeah. High darkness. Big cut. Yeah. Newtown road, big cut, you know, or something I could name. So it's like, we need to, uh, We have to do something about a legal company. I refuse to be like the rest of California and just be a victim. We're going to put an end to this because it's just, I'm sick of it. We're all sick of it.

I have a question about that. Yes. Obviously, there's a lot of waste hauling people out there. Anybody with a truck and trailer are doing this. You mentioned licensing. There are plenty of businesses that are legitimate that don't have contractors licenses to pick up and haul. And there's no requirement.

They would need a license from us to be a waste hauler. Basically, we would look at it like that. You would say, look. Yeah.

OK, that's what I wanted to know. Yeah.

If you're going to haul waste in California, in Eldorado County, you have to have a business license and you have to have a license with EMD stating that you're a waste hauler.

So who issues the license?

That would likely be us. And it would be a two-fold license. It would be the treasurer tax collector's office that I believe does.

Yeah, that's just a business license.

And then it would also be EMD to do hauler. Again, this is all speculative, but it would also be us to do a hauling license.

And so currently there is no such thing. There's no hauling license.

Anybody can haul their waste. And we want to keep it that way. We want flexibility. But if we keep getting illegal dumping issues and can't solve them, then we're going to talk about licensing.

Okay. Okay. Thank you.

All right. That's it. So if there's anything else, Doug, you can adjourn the meeting.

Okay.

During the meeting at 1136.

That's your time. Okay. Thanks, everyone. Just a minute. I mean, of course, it's open. This is not on. Bye bye. We've got a bunch of our cancer now beginning to kind of migrate into the road. OK. And and by the our post loss or community post loss. And I don't know what to do because we don't have enough room for all I can. I'm looking for.