City Council - Regular Meeting

All right, good evening, everybody, and welcome to the Eagle City Council meeting for September 15, 2026 at 530. Will you please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? Ready to begin?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. All right, can I get a roll call, please?

Gillis?

Here.

Kwame?

Here.

May?

Here.

Merrill?

Here.

Quorum is present.

Thank you. All right, is there any additions, additions, or modifications to this agenda?

Mr. Mayor, I move that we switch the order of items number eight and number seven.

We have a motion to switch new business seven with public hearing eight. Do I have a second? Second. Any more discussion? All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Thank you. All right, we're going to move right onto reports this evening. Um, I know we had some extensive reports last week, but we'll start off with council. Is there any additions this week?

Mr. Mayor, um, I don't have a specific report, but I do want to acknowledge, um, the loss of a very special, um, Idaho and, um, major general Darrell Manning's funeral was yesterday. The governor had ordered flags lowered to half staff a few weeks ago in honor of his life, and many in Eagle may have noticed the military jet flyover yesterday during his service at the Veterans Cemetery. General Manning had an impressive background that highlights his commitment to service and the state of Idaho. During his 41-year military career, he served in the US Air Force, Air Force Reserve, and the Idaho National Guard. Among his many military accomplishments, he was Idaho's Adjutant General and Commander of the Idaho National Guard from 1985 to 1995. Flew over 65 different aircraft, 14,000 hours, and more than two million miles. And those of you who have been out to Gowan Field, you know that you enter in on General Manning Avenue. Quite an honor, he was very proud of. General Manning was also a legislator, serving four terms in the Idaho House of Representatives and one term in the Idaho Senate. Additionally, he also led the Idaho Transportation Department, the Idaho Transportation Board, the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare, the Division of Financial Management, the Idaho Military Division, the Bureau of Disaster Services, now known as the Idaho Office of Emergency Management, and he served on the State Board of Education. His service to our state spanned eight governors. An accomplishment that he was particularly proud of was being the founding president of the Eagle Rotary Club, now known as the Eagle Garden City Rotary. And on a more personal note, I mourn for those who will never have the chance to know this very special man. He left an indelible mark on Idaho, helping to shape the state that we all love. He was not just a very dear friend and mentor. He was family, present at special events, graduations, and holidays. He was the consummate gentleman, the kindest man I have ever known, and my family and I will miss him deeply. A true, true statesman. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

Thank you. And if we can just do a moment of silence in recognition of general Manning, that would be great. All right. Thank you for that moment.

Thank you.

All right.

Other council members, just a couple of quick things. I attended the nine 11, a memorial ceremony at the Firefighters Memorial in Boise before sunrise on the 11th. Shortly thereafter, I attended the 9-11 Memorial at Boise Airport, again with fire and TSA, had a pretty moving ceremony there that was very well attended. The only other thing I wanna talk about real quick is the sewer district meeting yesterday. The latest update in Val Nova is there's 227 permits that have been pulled, 66 permanent residents in Val Nova to date, Um, there was some maintenance that was done across our sewer lines across the entire city. 61,000 feet of piping were cleaned. 15,000 feet of piping were camera for problems. They did detect nine leaks that were immediately taken care of. Um, 2.92 million gallons of sewage was transferred from Eagle to Boise for treatment in the last day. Uh, PFAS testing was done. There were five sampled events. One sample, which they have to send it out to Spokane and or Moscow. But out of the five sampled events, there was 40 to 45 different PFAS chemicals that were tested. Of those, there were five present that were at very minimal amounts. So they just wanted us to know that they're still working on stuff and things are still happening and they're still testing the water and the treatments. And we just attended. Right before we came here, Councilwoman Merrill and I attended the open house at the sewer district about an hour ago or so. So very interesting to see the amount of work that's going into it and the progression that's happening. So that's all I've got for tonight. Great. Thank you.

Mr. Mayor, just a note on General Manning. During my military career, I had the opportunity to serve with him. And I would add that he was a very fine gentleman, very fine gentleman, and a really great commander, military commander. So he will be missed.

Great. All right, I'll just finish it up with, of course, we all remember 9-11, 25 years. It just boggles my mind. But I'm going to ask at this time, if you're public safety or a veteran, would you please stand? Thank you. These are human beings that are still alive. These are professionals that are still alive. These are people that serve us or have served us in the past. I just wanted to publicly acknowledge you guys and thank you for your current service or your former service. And I've always said, my son does not want me to tell this, but I'm going to tell this story as long as I can. Thank you guys for your service, first of all, so I don't want to make you stand while I'm talking. You know, that's kind of like, but we appreciate you guys. Okay, good. Did you see him? All right. Well, these two have served the public as well in military and law enforcement. So it's really important, though, for people to understand when the rubber hits the road. I think I'll tell you right now, my son is one of those people serving over in Jordan. and his base was one of the ones that were bombed, and three of his colleagues were lost in that tragedy. So we need to take a humble moment to remember what's going on in our country, but also what's going on in our city, and that's where we have the opportunity to come together and find common ground for things and let some of these things that we really have no control of let our maker have control over those. So I appreciate that moment, but I thought it was important because we don't get to do things on 9-11 and some of the other times just because funding doesn't allow us to do that. But we certainly can recognize those that deserve recognition during events and meetings like this. So I appreciate everyone that has served and continues to serve. All right, staff, is there any reports that staff has tonight? Daniel?

good evening mayor and members of the council my name is daniel miller zoning administrator here with the city i just want to take a moment here to acknowledge what you would have seen in the city council mail that went out earlier this week which was a letter from fema recognizing the city and the work that's gone into the crs recertification program um just take a moment to acknowledge that and the work that went into it and then acknowledge staff who put in so much work to get us to where we are. So just a bit of an overview. The Community Rating System is a voluntary FEMA program that recognizes communities for taking steps to reduce flood risks beyond the minimum requirements of the National Flood Insurance Program, or NFIP. Communities receive credit for activities such as the implementation of stronger floodplain regulations, preserving open space, managing stormwater and drainage, maintaining floodplain information, educating residents, and preparing for and mitigating flood events. A COMMUNITY CRS RATING IS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF POINTS IT EARNS THROUGH THE VERIFICATION PROCESS OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT HAPPEN. RATINGS RANGE FROM CLASS 10 TO CLASS 1, CLASS 10 BEING THE WORST, CLASS 1 BEING THE BEST, KIND OF LIKE A GULF SCORE WITH A LOWER NUMBER REPRESENTING the higher level of floodplain management. So beginning October 1st, the city of Eagle will have a CRS class rating of six, which is up from the seven that it was in years past. And this is currently the lowest CRS class in the state of Idaho, which I think is worth noting. The rating provides eligible NFIP policyholders within the city a 20% discount on their flood insurance premiums, which is up from 15% in years past. And this rating requires annual verification, And then every five years there will be another certification process. So this does happen once every five years. That's kind of the big overview. Part of this as well is just taking a moment to recognize one of our planners, Haley Durham, who's put in a bunch of work to get us to where we are here. She's worked with FEMA, the building division, numerous outside agencies, including Flood Control District 10, Army Corps of Engineers, and navigating her fluctuating planning-related workload in order to achieve this rating for the city. This required a significant investment of time, hours and commitment. Additionally, Haley has established much needed structure for how the city manages it and ministers. It's floodplain management processes. Her work has strengthened our program and position position the city well going forward. And I appreciate this opportunity to recognize her and compliment her for her commitment. Um, if you have any questions on specific things with the NFI P FEMA, CRS rating systems, she's the one to ask here. I can give the overview based off what I've researched through FEMA, but she's the expert. So I wanted to just take a moment to acknowledge that recognition for the city and then give her the opportunity to speak to anything further if you have any questions.

All right, Daniel, we appreciate that. And Haley, do you want to come up and recognize some of the hard work you have done? Because I want to see you have a five next year.

That's the challenge, right?

Thank you very much, Mayor and Council and Daniel. I don't have anything specific to add, but I did want to make myself available if you had any questions about the program or about the city's floodplain management in general. The year of the five-year recertification was my first year as the floodplain administrator, so it was a little bit of trial by fire, but it gave me an opportunity to really get into the weeds and understand how the city manages the floodplain and and some more creative ways or more, I guess, robust ways to approach floodplain development than just the minimum standards. So I really appreciated the opportunity. It's really nice to be at this point to get a letter that says that we did a good job, so thank you.

Awesome. Well, congratulations to you, I mean, for all the hard work you put into that. All right, thank you. All right, any other staff would like to have a report this evening? All right, seeing none, we have the chief. Chief Ruby will come up.

Good evening, Mayor Pike and City Council members. Travis Ruby, Police Chief for the City of Eagle, for the record. I'm excited to have this many people here to be introduced to Deputy, I keep calling him Detective, Deputy McKelvey, Deputy Josh McKelvey. He is one of our Selected Traffic Enforcement Program deputies, and we are very privileged and honored to have him here in the City of Eagle. He began his career in law enforcement in 2005 as a dispatcher with the Ada County Sheriff's Office, and as happens from time to time, two years later, the he felt the call and decided to go to work in the jail as a detention deputy during his time as a detention deputy deputy McKelvey enjoyed being a jail training officer, which I've talked about training officers and how critical they are to the success of an organization. Sergeants and jail training officers, I believe are the two most important positions within an organization because the jail training officers hold the standards and the expectations of, of entry level new employees. And then, of course, sergeants have that influence once they complete the training program. But anyone who takes time to serve as a field training officer, a jail training officer, PTO, whatever we call that, it's critically important along with our first-line supervisors. But he specifically enjoyed helping train the next generation of deputies. He worked as a jail deputy until 2020 when he transferred to the Police Services Bureau to become a patrol deputy. In 2022, Deputy McKelvey took a position in the city of CUNA Police Department. And in 2025, he was selected to be part of the motor team with the Ada County Sheriff's Office before transferring to Eagle to become part of our step team. And I want to speak briefly about the motor training program is incredibly physically demanding. It's long days in all weather conditions. Hot, cold, it's Idaho. So if you don't like the weather, wait 15 minutes. But he got all of the program, all the training, And something of note with Deputy McKelvey is he had some writing experience, but he really committed, and he was so committed to the position that he actually went to our lieutenant that runs the motor program and said, I would like to move to this position, and if I don't successfully complete the school, then I will sacrifice my position over here. He was that invested in himself. He believed in himself that much. from the outside looking and he took a tremendous risk on himself, but talking to him, he, he knows this, he knew, he knew his commitment. He knows his skills, he knows his abilities, and he believed in himself. But oftentimes, we don't necessarily see that oftentimes, and so I was really impressed when I heard about that. So when he came to Eagle, we were incredibly happy for that. So he's also worked to become an emergency vehicle operations course instructor, which I know Mayor and Councilman Kwame, we took you out to the course a couple years ago. And so the driving courses, which is critical to the public safety, driving is one of the things that we do the most, and it can be incredibly dangerous depending on what we're doing. In addition, he is an impact weapons instructor. He is also part of our off-road team specializing in the UTV and off-road motorcycles to help with foothill searches for lost people. And recently deputy McKelvey achieved his post master certification, which has sergeants been avoiding me. I'm going to present that to you at some point. I considered it tonight, but I won't do it tonight. Uh, the master certification is, is another significant certification Idaho. It requires 15 years minimum as a line level deputy. So once you promote the sergeant, you are no longer eligible to achieve that. Um, the training hours, like 1500, like 1500 training hours and, and, a couple of the things that you have to achieve to earn that. And not many people achieve the master certification through our Idaho Post Council. Outside work, Deputy McKelvey enjoys hiking and camping with his wife of 29 years. They're two golden retrievers. He also enjoys long-distance off-road outings on his adventure bike. And with that, Deputy McKelvey and I would stand for any questions. All right, thanks, Chief.

Well, I know there's some comments, but any questions prior to the comments? Okay, we'll go ahead and acknowledge the fact that you're here. We welcome that you're here. Be on motors, though, and be safe. But I couldn't ride a motorcycle. It was hard enough driving a fire engine. So I acknowledge that that is a skill that a lot of people don't have. So just stay safe out there, please. Thank you, sir.

Mr. Mayor, I just want to say great to have you on the team. Welcome, and I'll echo the mayor. Be safe.

With that, I'd like to excuse him. He has been at work since 5 o'clock this morning. Okay, yeah. I don't want to pay more overtime. All right, we appreciate you, though.

All right, thanks. Thank you, everyone.

Again, thank you. So I'm going to go through these quickly because I don't think all of these people are here to listen to my presentation tonight. I'd like to get to that. However, we do have our monthly report for August. And just a few things of note. So our monthly report, standard report as we have done in the past, June, July, and August have remained fairly consistent with our societal crime reports. Our proactive work, although we saw our five-year high in July, we remained high in August for our citizen calls for service. So the community is growing and they're reaching out to us for assistance 833 different reasons, each unique to a person. But even with our increased calls for service, if we look at our emergency response time, we are below average in both, which we started to see a trend above our average, which I wasn't very thrilled about. But we've been able to recover that, which is incredible. I'm gonna go on to some crash data in another report. So our crash reporting, we responded to 86 calls for service regarding crashes. which is a little high, but it's still within a range that we've seen over the past several months. And then our welfare checks as well have remained fairly consistent. They're a little bit higher, and there's some mental wellness things that we've talked about in the past that I'm trying to figure out what's going on there. As far as our arrests, we had Out of our 22 arrests, we had nine folks we arrested who reported an address within the city of Eagle. None of those persons were arrested on public roadways or arterial highways. We had four DUI-related arrests, and one of those also had a societal crime of possession of a firearm while under the influence of alcohol and driving. And then we had 18 non DUI arrests. 13 of those were associated with a personal property or societal crime. One was a warrant arrest only. And then in our other category, we had two juvenile runaways, a pedestrian under the influence, and we had a probation violation in that. So very kind of quick overview of that. The next report, last week at council, I was asked if I could gather some data and somehow our data and analytics team put this together very quickly. This is very preliminary. Part of what I would like is not necessarily right now, but certainly take time and I wanna make sure I'm getting you the information you requested. I asked for five years in data and analytics. I didn't feel like one year was enough data. And so our team pulled five years worth of data, specifically for collisions and car crashes related to Eagle Road and Islandwood. where we documented the top factors, which are pretty consistent in all three areas. Falling too close is the number one factor when we look at our crashes. Folks, I don't wanna say tailgating, but not giving themselves enough cushion to stop when a car in front of them stops, whether they stop casually for a traffic control device or they stop abruptly for some sort of obstruction in the roadway. Inattention, again, that's distractions in or around the car, having a conversation on your cell phone. Those are probably two of the biggest ones, adjusting the radio, and then all the other things that can distract us in a car, whether that be someone in the backseat or turning our attention to a child or adjusting a seatbelt or whatever it may be. But within these, we had Eagle Road and Island Wood, and essentially what I asked for is I asked for any crashes that are... that are related to the intersection. So if they're not related to the intersection, if there's a tie to the intersection, if that's one of the factors, then I want it included. And then Colchester Road. I essentially asked for crash data from Eagle to Highway 44, or I'm sorry, from Chinden to Highway 44, if it's related to the intersection. If it's not related to the intersection, for example, we had a crash today where it had nothing to do with the intersection. It had to do with equipment not being properly secured, and it went off, and it caused some power outages. I would like to... acknowledge our partners at Idaho Power. They restored power. I don't know how they do it. I tend to avoid live electricity. That's not good for me, but they went out and in a very short period of time were able to restore power to all the folks that are out and they were able to isolate it. I don't know how they do it, but it got power back to folks who experienced that disruption. But that crash today had nothing to do with an intersection. It was an equipment failure. And then again, Eagle Road and Colchester, the same. And then the other intersection was State Highway 44 in the Edgewood and Parkinson area. I asked for data that essentially related to Parkinson because last week, last Thursday morning, or no, Wednesday, we had a crash with a center turn lane violation. So we had a rider who was riding down the center turn lane because traffic was backed up, and we had somebody pulling out off of one of our roadways, and they collided and impacted with some fairly significant injuries. But with that, we documented whether it was an, the data that we're providing is whether or not it was an injury accident, meaning somebody reported injuries or they were transported property damage, and then what the grand total was for the year. We documented, we're providing the five contributing factors or circumstances. And then in this category, we had one fatal crash. Now of note, we did have a fatal crash approximately six weeks ago at Edgewood and Highway 44. And that data just has to be, there's a thing in our data and analytics world where it has to be finalized and that hasn't been finalized yet. But I do want to acknowledge that when it's not on this report. So, Mr. Mayor and Councilman Gillis specifically, you asked for this. So I would direct my question to you. Is this the realm of what you're asking? Am I missing something? Is there something else you would like?

Mr. Mayor? No, I mean, I appreciate you having them do this. The biggest concern, as I discussed, was that there's been a what seemed like a. consistent amount of crashes on Eagle Road. I know the traffic's bad, but Colchester, Island Woods, and then over here at Edgewood with the left turn arrows, people going through them, not yielding. The accident that I got, I wasn't involved in the crash itself, but the aftermath of it a week ago was that. It was a left turn issue, and there were three injuries in that crash alone. So I don't know what these crashes translate into the number of injuries, but... I just think it's important that we pay attention to it. I don't like the whole, if it's ITD or whoever it is, saying that we need seven fatalities before we'll make a change. I don't agree with that whatsoever. I think our job is to prevent a single fatality if we can. And that area of Palmer and 44 is still a huge concern of mine that I heard about all over the weekend. I was at an event and multiple people hit me up saying somebody's gonna die there. I don't want to wait for that to happen there either. I know that's in the works to get a signal, but I don't know what your crashes look like for that intersection either. So I know you guys are doing all you can do. I appreciate you pulling these stats. I don't know if there is an issue that we can work on maybe with ITD or ECHD on these arrows, if there is a problem intersection that we can identify. Edgewood, you just had your second fatal. I don't know if both of those are related to the left turn. And as we grow and as our population grows, I'm glad to see we have another motor coming out for enforcement. But we're just going to see more crashes. I mean, if you think about it, for a city our size to have, would you say, 86 crashes in one month, it's pretty impressive. So whatever we can do to try to mitigate that, I don't know what the answer is. I'm not an engineer for that. But thank you for doing what you did.

And Mayor Pike and Council McGill, as a matter of fact, tonight I was asked for data at State Highway 44 in Palmer. And initially I directed her to our public information team, the public information request. I'll go ahead and request that data. I can add it to this report and then I can share that. And that way we can get it to the city and I can present that next week, hopefully, or at the next available staff report. I can simply report that so it can be published to the community so they can have that information as well. I do know one thing with our traffic enforcement team is we've restructured a little bit of our supervision throughout the sheriff's office. And with that restructure, what we've been able to create is a sergeant specifically for the traffic enforcement program, which is Sergeant Kindleberger is going to be that supervisor, which we had him in Eagle until about a year ago when he promoted to sergeant. but I met with him last week along with Sergeant Elliot and he was going through crash data and he has some targeted ideas and strategies on how to truly impact crashes within Ada County, specifically within the city of Eagle, the city of CUNA where we have dedicated voters unincorporated that's where we have the motor team. And so I'm excited to see what Sergeant Kindleberger will bring forward because he was going through these top factors with me and comparing that to what the most common citations are comparing whether or not that has a direct impact on crashes and highway safety. So he's, I'm very excited for what he'll bring because he's bringing a technical knowledge and a motivation to increase highway safety for everyone in 80 County, but we are certainly gonna benefit from it here in the City of Eagle. Thank you again, seriously, I appreciate it.

Anything else on crashes? We'll work on, Chief will work on that together too, but Palmer and 44 is, they're expediting the signal there, so we've all, the city of Star has three quarters of that intersection, and then we have one quarter of it, but we've all been in collaboration with making this thing quicker, because yeah, as we're developing that whole west side, it's imperative that that signal get expedited, and it is, so that's the good news on that. And we're working with ITD, and I just didn't, we played vote tag today on, the left turn signalization issues for mainly on the highway, not all locations, but mainly on the Highway 44 because of what's been occurring out there. With that said, Chief, I wanna give you, we had a couple of messages brought to my attention that there's a lot, if you're in the area, that's great, but we're having a lot of frustrated citizens, mainly on the Linder area as it's getting widened with people not abiding by the stop sign law there, so they're just blowing through, and it's confusing the people that have stopped, and they're trying to go, and they're not sure, you know, it would be more fender benders, at least, unless they're going a higher speed, obviously, but. of if we can address that area for now. And there's other areas, but let's start off with that area just as, because there's been a lot of complaints to my office about that specific street. So that's something we can talk about later and kind of dig into a little bit deeper. But I wanted to bring that to your attention so the public knows as well as that we're aware of that, so.

And Mayor Pike, thank you for bringing that up. I had a conversation with Sergeant Ellie yesterday and he's been in communication with some of the local residents and, and ACHD about, um, between the project and elementary schools and our public safety. needs over there of working through that problem. And ACHD has been very communicative with us, which we appreciate, and trying to work with the residents because it is a quality of life issue for them. They have some ideas that ACHD would have to implement, but essentially what it would do is it would shift the problem to another street or another neighborhood, but it would still be a problem. So we are working through that. and i know sergeant elliott communicates extra patrols regularly with our staff of these are areas with school back in session and the road i i personally drove that area yesterday and I'm not in a marked car, but everyone followed the stop signs. I think my car looks like a police car, whether it's marked or not. But everyone stopped, and I drove down Linder, I drove down Park, looking for areas of, I've heard complaints about excessive speed or exhibition of speed peeling out for lay folk. and I didn't see evidence in too many areas however those are problematic and when people report that we want to go out and try to target and find ways to stop that behavior so that way folks are safe when they're out walking their dog and riding their bicycles or or just enjoying their backyard so anything on that all right appreciate that chief the last report I have not that one that's Daniels so our foothills report and i'm pretty excited to i've been sitting on this one to try to get it out but last year during the budget process council approved a budget to include foothills patrols due to some of the concerns that we've had in the foothills regarding activities whether they they be normal enjoyment or things that are illegal. And, um, detective Anderson is who we assigned to that area. He went back to school. So this report is through August 7th. Um, we still do have, um, deputies who are going out in the foothills, uh, even though detective Anderson's back in, in, um, at his primary assignment at the high school, uh, we have deputies who are on the off-road team and they're going out and they're, they're following the standard at one of the things I told, uh, detective Anderson is you have got to document what we do. I have to show value to the city. I'm pretty proud of this. In conjunction with this, we've received emails and conversation from citizens who have been vocal about the issues and concerns, thanking us for Detective Anderson's efforts and what he's done in the foothills. I truly believe it has made an impact this summer, and I'm very proud of the work that he's done. In that, he had 110 patrol events during that timeframe where he contacted approximately 317 visitors. So roughly three per event, slightly under. My math is off. But of that, he just went up and spoke to people and talked to people and had conversations, and it was very welcoming and approachable. And our citizens and our visitors really appreciated that. So out of all those contacts, uh, 27 visitors were directed to stop doing what they were doing because it was illegal or inappropriate or unsafe. Um, out of those, out of those 317 visitors that he spoke to, um, he educated them on safety or better areas. Um, he had 109 visitors where he observed they were just out enjoying the foothills, walking, jogging, riding their horse, doing whatever activity, sportsman activities, that there was nothing illegal or dangerous or reckless about it. And he made note of that because that was some of the complaints was that everybody is always and everybody always and never are rough terms for me because those are rarely accurate. But with that, again, I want to give you time to digest this. When we wrap up our foothills patrols, I'll have another report for you just to show the difference of that full-time work versus trying to put things together. So... That is my last report. Any questions regarding this foothills or comments or things that you would like to see out of me? Mr. Mayor, can I comment? Thanks, Chief. Yeah, go ahead, Rob.

Just a comment. I'm not aware unless I missed it. Was anybody shot up in those hills this year? Was there anybody injured up there that I've heard of?

Well, Mr. Mayor and Councilman Gillis, none that have been reported to me.

And as horrible as a fire season as it was, I don't recall hearing of any major fires breaking out up in that same area that he was patrolling. Mr. Mayor, Councilman Gillespie is telling me no. None that I'm aware we responded to. So my point in it is that we never know the value of proactive policing because we don't know what we prevented. And I have zero doubt in my mind based on these contacts that the job that he did being up there, whoever else is up there since he's gone back to school, has made a difference. And I think that we need to do what we can to make it continue because it is making a difference. And I think that if people can recreate safely, shoot safely, and that the knuckleheads are being addressed when they're contacted, I think it's a win-win. So thank him for us and thank you.

Well, and Mr. Mayor and Councilman Gillis, a couple of things to that. First of all, thank you. I appreciate that. Um, and that is in the budget. So again, you did vote to fund that again for next year. So we will continue that. Also, um, I don't often see this much of our fire leadership here at our meetings. And I would like to comment the incredible leadership that we do have in our fire district here in the City of Eagle. And Chief Lewis and his leadership team, they plan and they prepare and they train. And it is, for me in my career, it's an incredible blessing to work alongside incredible leaders like that. I'll be honest, when I came here, I just thought all fire chiefs were like Chief Lewis. I thought all leadership teams were like his team. And as I travel around and talk to other folks, Chief Lewis is unique and his leadership team is unique. He is the... He stands above in the fire world and he is well respected. The way he plans for the future and the way he prepares his staff is incredible. I have personally taken things away from it. I've learned a lot of planning. He's taken time to meet with me and our leadership team about staffing, or not staffing, but planning and having things on the books so we can prepare for tomorrow, but we prepare today. A lot of the things that he has done and his team has done also had a significant impact on the fire safety, but I do appreciate the comments. Anybody else?

Great.

Two comments, Chief. I'm really excited or very pleased to see this patrol events report. I know I was kind of pushing you the last two years to get up there and get more presence up there based on the comments we were receiving, so I mean, this tells me that we have put some effort and money in the right place, and I'm very proud of the results there, and like Councilman Gillis said, this is telling me that we really probably prevented some events that we didn't want to have happen up there, although you don't know for sure, but this is fantastic, and I think we made the right decision to invest in that effort up there, so. Second comment, if you can go back to that first slide on your citizen calls for service for August 833. I mean, we look at that number, okay, what does 833 mean? And I started thinking about it while you were talking. That means you were responding to a call every 49 minutes around the clock every day of that month. And to me, that's highly impressive. That's telling me that our public has confidence in our police force to help, to help them when they need help. And that's very admirable that you're in that position. So congratulations.

Mayor Pike, Councilman Kwame, again, I appreciate the comments. and I've had the opportunity to speak to a few different groups over the last month, and one of my commonalities is when we look at law enforcement, our authority is certainly written in statute, but truly it comes from the trust of the community, and without public trust, without the city's support, we can't effectively do our jobs in law enforcement, so I certainly appreciate that. As far as the foothills, one other comment regarding that is one of the concerns that I had over the past couple years was hearing what Chief Lewis' staff, when they were responding out to the foothills, some of the things that they were dealing with and the types of folks that fire was coming in contact with, that's not what they're trained to do. That's not their responsibility, and so I was very concerned for our firefighters in the foothills with some argumentative folks and some folks who were fairly aggressive with them. And so, again, I thank you for funding that foothills patrol. I am very proud of the work that Detective Anderson's done and that we're continuing to do, increasing the safety of the folks who want to recreate and enjoy the foothills, but also our emergency responders. Recently, actually, we used our UTV in the foothills. There was a medical-type call we actually were able to use our utv to to get those folks to ems to our fire medics and our 80 county paramedics for for care so all of the things that that you supported um we committed to those and i feel like we've met the mark but that's the mark today the mark tomorrow is different we've got to achieve that tomorrow so thank you very much mr mayor um once again travis thank you so much for being you

for the leadership that you have for this community and for the manner in which you present these reports, they are invaluable. I have never sat in meetings before where we have a chief give us these kind of reports that are available to the public and for us. It makes a big difference, it builds that trust and we are more than happy and to help fund and to do the things that we need to do have the quality of young men and young women here that we have in City of Eagle. So thank you so much.

As always, thank you very much to you and your team for stepping up and doing the work that you do day in and day out. We really appreciate it. And it is very exciting to see that we made the right decision, and we're focusing on the Foothills area, and it has made a difference. So thank you very much for all the efforts expended up there as well. Well done.

It's our privilege and honor.

It truly is. All right. Well, the best part about this is we have to go last here on this one, but we have both chiefs in the room at the same time. I usually meet with them every week, numerous times sometimes. And I can tell you when we hired as a serving as a fire commissioner as well, we hired Tyler Lewis to be the chief. we knew we made the right decision from day one. I've worked with under a lot of chiefs and it was the partnership just was awesome. This partnership with the two of you is awesome. And you know, someday we'll, we'll do the blooper reel for our mayor minutes that we do together, but it's the professionalism. The competency level, I mean, people don't understand what goes on at an administrative level. But you guys, you know, I'm very comfortable and proud and easy to work with leadership of this quality. So it makes it easy for us. So it makes my job easier, too. So I appreciate that. And we'll look forward to the report next week. All right. We're going to move right along because we want to keep this going here. We're moved to our consent agendas. All consent agenda items are considered action items. Consent agenda items are considered to be routine and acted on in one motion. There'll be no separate discussion on these items unless the mayor, council member, or member of the city staff requests an item to be removed from the consent agenda for discussion. Items removed from the consent agenda will be placed on the regular agenda in a sequence determined by the city council. Any item on the consent agenda which contains written conditions of approval from the city of staff planning and zoning commission design review board shall be adopted as part of the city council's consent agenda approval motion unless specifically stated otherwise. This evening consent agenda is we have six A through O and I'll start off with the council. Is there anybody would like something pulled this evening? Mr. Mayor. The letter G. Letter G. Okay.

Mr. Mayor.

Nancy.

I'd like to pull off item 6-O.

O, okay. Anybody else?

Mr. Mayor, I'd like to pull L as in Lima. Okay. Okay.

And I understand letters M and N were also requested. So if you could put down L, M, N, O, and G so far. And then I believe, Daniel, would you like to pull something from staff?

Yes, sir. Council is through with theirs. Item D is in Delta, please.

D? D. Is there anybody else?

I think we've got them all.

Yeah, okay. Was there anybody else on staff that wanted something pulled? All right, let's go ahead, and I need a motion to approve consent agenda items six, A through O, with the exception of D. David, G. George, L. Lincoln, M. Mary, and Nancy, and O. Oscar.

Mr. Mayor, I would like to make a motion that we approve the consent agenda with A, B, C, E, F, H, I, J, K. Thank you.

I have a motion to have a second. Second. Any more discussion? Roll call, please. Gillis? Aye.

Kwame?

Aye.

May? Aye. Merrill? Aye. Motion carries.

Thank you. Let's just go right down the row. Let's start with D. David.

Yes, sir. Daniel Miller, zoning administrator, as of just a moment ago. Um, item D was a, it's, it's, so the request is for a waiver of the noise ordinance till 11 p.m. Uh, for a wedding event at the cottages at River Bend Commons. River Bend Commons is the property just to the west of the Stillwater development. And that came through city council in 2025, included a development agreement, which through that agreement permitted live entertainment events, which included weddings. And that agreement specified, uh, the number of events per year, the number of attendees per event per year, and then capped the hours of operation until 10 p.m. So with the request for an 11 p.m. waiver of that requirement, that would either be a violation of the development agreement, so it would either seek a separate process, a modification to that development agreement, but this item tonight would not be a request that can be granted through this process.

Mr. Mayor. Daniel, this temporary noise ordinance waiver for the cottage at River Bend, we've had on our agenda for numerous times with consent agenda. Why is this one different?

Different? The development agreement was executed through the city sometime last year in 2025. The number of instances since then that have come through haven't crossed my desk yet, but this one was noticed by me during the agenda review meeting. So any prior instances either came before the development agreement was executed or potentially been done in error. Okay.

So what is your recommendation?

Recommendation would be that item D be denied to keep the hours of operation for the live entertainment events, including weddings, ending at 10 p.m.

So what you're looking for would be an approval with the hours between 4 and 10 and not 11.

Correct, which would be commensurate with the development agreement and then the city's noise ordinance as well.

Okay, Mr. Mayor, I would make a motion that we approve the temporary noise ordinance waiver request for Joshua Miracle. is requesting temporary noise waiver for their wedding event held at the cottage at Riverbend on October 10th, 2026, between the hours of 4 and 11. I would make a motion that we approve this application with the hours being before 4 and 10 p.m.

Okay, for 4 to 10. Do we have a second? Second. Discussion?

Discussion, yeah. Daniel, those are the specified hours that are allowed, right? 4 to 10. So we really don't need a waiver for that. Correct.

We just need to make a difference between 4 and 11. Correct. We want to reduce the hours from 11 to 10.

That would be consistent with the development agreement. And from what I understand, the CC&R is for the association of the property as well.

OK. And Daniel, was there a contract that was written between the party and the owner of the property? And maybe us as well.

Through the development agreement, as part of the reason of the application, there were requirements from the city to have them implement an association agreement similar to an HOA, but for a property management association, which in that would likely include the restrictions and the regulations given by the city through that agreement, which then were implemented into their CC&Rs.

Well, I guess so the applicant, my question is, does the applicant know when they signed the contract that there was a noise ordinance in place from 4 to 10 p.m. through the city? Yes. Okay, thank you. All right, so we have the motion and we have the second. We're still in discussion. Any other thoughts?

Mr. Mayor, I just wanted to make sure there was no confusion if waiver was in the motion that they would misconstrue that. And evidently that language is in the contract with Riverbend Estates. So it's all, I think, copacetic across the board. So I support the motion.

All right. So we have the motion. We have a second. If there's no more discussion, all in favor say aye. Aye. Those opposed? Okay. Thank you. All right. Let's move on to letter G. Rob?

Mr. Mayor. This is just an item that's on the consent agenda that for me I have to remain consistent, explain my position, and however y'all vote is however y'all vote. It's a change order which we get and it's for $48,350 for McElvain. They did their five month donation of time and efforts and now they need an additional $48,350 because it's going over that period of time for additional work that needs to be done. That part I understand. In the agreement that I read, there's numerous areas in there that talk about to be determined and intentionally deleted. It talks about various things in there, but it also refers back to us approving this back on January 13th of 2026 this year. The issue that I have with that, and as I've explained it before, and I need to do it again tonight because here it is before me again, is that on January 13th of 2026, I was sworn into office in this council seat about halfway through that council meeting. At the beginning of that council meeting, I was not part of the city council. And halfway through item number seven on the agenda, which I'm looking at right now, was the oath of office. After the oath of office, the outgoing elected officials were recognized. A roll call was done as item number nine, where Councilwoman May and I became part of the council. And immediately following was consent agenda number 10. And as you just read, The verbatim verbiage in this item number, it says, considered to be routine. There will be no separate discussion on these items unless the mayor, a city council member, city staff, or a citizen requests an item to be removed from the consent agenda for discussion. Prior to that council meeting, I had expressed concern because basically the day I got sworn in, I had no clue what I was going to be doing on the city council. I had never been a politician before. I had never been an elected official before. And I had no idea. And I had asked questions and expressed concern about, was it going to be a meeting that I needed to know what was going on? Because as the meeting began, I wasn't part of it. I wasn't, I didn't have access to these things. Um, and the consent agenda was presented to us and we passed it through, I believe on a four zero vote. and it was items number A through J that night. Item number H was the agreement between the City of Eagle and McElvain Construction approval of A201-2017 and A133-2019 contracts for construction management and general contractor services between the City of Eagle and McElvain Construction Inc. for the construction of the Eagle Regional Athletic Park. That passed through that night with my name on it as an approval, a council person, as a aye vote. and I didn't understand what it was and I was told that it was gonna be a light agenda. This was put in there, it passed through and I've heard this date come up and my vote come up multiple times as things are being pushed forward and here we are again tonight with something else being pushed forward. So for me, and remaining consistent in my concerns about $27 million or more on this project and my concern about funding and encumbering the city and future councils and mayors and taxpayers for this project. I pulled G off tonight to express my displeasure of it ongoing, my concerns about it, and my nay vote, and that's all I got for tonight.

I appreciate that. Mr. Mayor. Yes.

Yeah. at length today, this agreement also. And I understand definitely what Rob is saying because I was the other councilman here at that consent agenda item there. But what concerned me about the contract tonight was not the $48,350. I don't have any problem with that. I think that that's the pre-construction is divided up into two amounts. But I do have a concern over the... item of guaranteed maximum price, which is to be determined. And we don't have a maximum determined amount to do that. And when we do these, I just hate to approve anything with a guaranteed maximum price amendment to be determined. The other thing we don't have is the exhibits for the pre-construction rates or the exhibits for the insurance and bonds to be determined. So I'm not ready to approve this tonight, so we can go ahead and see who wants to make a motion to approve it, but I think that it needs some work, and we need to get some of these exhibits before us and know what this maximum price is gonna be before we can accept this document. I can accept this document, let me put it that way.

All right, we'll let Eric get into some of the details if there's a need on that, but I do know that they had to put out an estimated price for the park a couple years prior to. We have a lot of information available, but we're going to have to do that for you because you've asked for that as well, and that's warranted. But do you have any historical support on that, Eric, that you would feel comfortable talking about? that you know of. I don't want to put you on the spot if you're not prepared for that.

Yeah, Mr. Mayor, before Eric speaks on that too, I think that what we need is this additions and deletions report, which is the AIA document A133-2019. So if you can address that part of it, Eric, I think that that's where we're looking for exhibits and for amounts.

Mayor and Council, I guess just to elaborate on this, the AIA document, You know, I mean, that document is a massive construction document, and usually when we do these things, there's snippets, if you will. On the memo tonight, we refer to, I guess, section, oh, boy, 5, sorry, not this. 6. 5.1.3. That was on the memo for tonight, and it basically says in that contract that, you know, if there was five months of donated time that was with there, then... after that time has surpassed, I guess then becomes a bid process for their services. In the attachments, I guess for tonight's packet, I hope this is what Councilwoman Merrill was referring to. There is a breakdown of the pre-construction. Do you have that, Councilman Merrill, by chance?

I don't know if I have that or not. I don't see that I have that.

Okay, we can get that to you. There was a breakdown. and that was the second page to the agreement. There was page one that showed the amount of $48,350, and then there was a second page to that that showed kind of a breakdown in an hourly rate for their services of what they're looking for.

And like I said, Eric, I don't have any problem with the $48,350. Their design, construction, the scheduling, estimating the meetings, the miscellaneous administration, the other and all the indirect costs, I think that that's adequate and that's okay to do. So I'm okay with the amount. It's what I'm not seeing in the rest of the agreement that's attached to this without the other exhibits that show the maximum amounts and the other exhibits there.

Councilwoman Merrill, that is correct. That amount, because we are still in the design phase of this park, and the pre-construction component of it, that is calculated off of the maximum price for phase one, which they're designing, and their services were asked for. Once we get to that portion of the construction, we will have that amount, I mean, with that contract there. So that is why it's TBD at the moment.

Okay, so I would suggest that maybe Mr. Mayor and Eric, that when we get to these, that we kind of have a full rundown on what we're trying to do so that we can look for these compensation for the construction phases and services. I think this is a good document. I think that they've done a good job in laying it out and some of the money that comes back that they don't complete the project comes back at 80% to the city and 15% to them. I think that, you know, there's very generous and I have good faith in McElvain. It's just that I think that we need to do our due diligence as a council in making sure that we see all the documents we need to see. I think that's what the public expects of us. So thank you.

I got a question though, real quick for both of you. Are you wanting phase ones, um, construction documents in, in the, uh, funding that's attached to that? Cause we're really these things being in phases. Phase one is $5.2 million estimated. And then we have in kind contributions that will probably reduce that. that number, but we don't go past this project. We gave a balloon look at the whole project for the future, but we don't go past $5.2 million once phase one is completed, then we look and we start accumulating more funding. So what exactly, just so we can get that to you.

Thanks, Mr. Mayor. What I would like to see is, because this is an ongoing project and it is a big project and we're gonna see a lot of it, I would like a regular report from staff as where we are in the funding and what we're paying and what is due so that we can follow this along as it goes. And we have an accurate accounting for it. I'm sure that you're accurate in accounting, but I won't remember from meeting to meeting of where we're at. So I'd like to make sure that we have that. And I would approve the $48,350. I would just ask as a second motion or a second part of the motion is that we get the rest of the exhibits for the rest of the...

I want to make sure, though, we're only getting the Phase 1, $5.2 million for Phase 1 at this point. Right now, this document... Everything else is hypothetical.

Right now, this document is only for $48,350. So that's all I'm willing to approve.

Yeah, exactly. There's been other funds that we've already allocated and paid for.

Mr. Mayor, I know that's true. I just don't know what they are.

We get those two that we have a schedule, a timeline, those involved.

Mayor and Council, this is kind of what this is for, is that there are services, I guess, for the construction that's going through, and it's for the timeline, I mean, for the design, kind of all those things. And that's what McEvane has been supplying to us. The timing of this kind of thing is a little bit of a challenge because When we made it through the design phase or the design contract that was there and we got going on the design, we just had our first meeting last week to go over basically a preliminary design and some changes and things like that, which we'll be presenting as we go through the whole process. And there was a lot of changes that we wanted to make to that. So we can report all those things. We're just kind of in the beginning, if you will, of the pre-construction stuff, so more to come.

Mr. Mayor and Eric, I think that that would be great. If we, on our reports, had a regular report about the Ada Eagle Sports Park or Eagle Sports Park, I think that would be great. We'll know where we are with the funding, what's coming in in donations, and is what's still left. We'll also know how the design is coming on and that will be a good report for the rest of the community to hear at the same time.

Okay. And we have those numbers available for the public and us as well. So there's nothing there. We've roughly spent $7.9 million to date for everything up to this point. We have roughly $20 million of donations that have come in so far. and that's kind of low, but that's the public contributions, and we have more in the queue to come up, and I will be presenting a little bit more of a detail on my state of the city address next Monday night. But yeah, we have some people that are in a queue waiting for this stuff, but I can confidently say that we need to make sure that we don't get the cart in front of the horse Phase one is all we're focusing on right now, and it's $5.2 million estimated, so I think that's gonna be reduced as the in-kind contributions from different vendors come into play, so we're looking forward to that, but we have everything, we have our treasurer here tonight, everything, she's got everything recorded. Eric's been the contact person as public works director, and Holly's doing the donation part, and Mary and I are serving on that committee as well, We have weekly meetings or monthly meetings, but all that information is available and we can get it to you probably tomorrow.

Yeah, Mr. Mayor, I would appreciate that. I know you guys are doing a good job with what you're doing and taking care of it, but it's nice for the rest of the council to know also what's going on because we get questions. People don't know what the inner workings of this are and they want to know, well, how much money have we raised? Well, what phase are we in? Well, how much money do we owe? and those are questions that I can't answer, and I don't think, you know.

But I would encourage you to direct them to me as the mayor, and I will answer those questions. No, no, I would not do that.

They're directing to me. They're questioning me as their councilman, and I want to know those questions and those answers.

And I gave you just an update in the public right now of $20,000 of donations from the public so far, $7.9 million put in from the city's funding, and we have all of that in a, process and calculated numerical value. If you have not received those, you will receive those, but like Eric was alluding to a few minutes ago, the preliminary stuff outside of purchasing and doing infrastructure over the last couple years, It's really just now starting with the construction phase of this because we finally have some money to work forward after exhausting the funds that we had to do the engineering, the land acquisition, all the different details in the purchasing agreement that was required. But we need to make sure everybody's on the same page. That's very true. If you're not, we will make sure that you get caught up on that. I appreciate that.

Thank you. Mr. Mayor and Nance, I just wanted to add that when McElvain came in, they're going to be coming in, I think, every other month to give a report as well. So there will be a good dose of information. Thank you.

All right. Is there anything else you'd like to ask staff on this? If not, I'll ask for the question on this one.

Mr. Mayor, I'll go ahead and make a motion that we approve consent agenda item G, McElvain Construction Pre-Construction Services Allowance Change Order Number 1, for the amount not to exceed $48,350. Okay, I have a motion to have a second.

Second.

Okay, any further discussion after what we've said? Okay, let's do a roll call, please.

Merrill. Nay. Gillis.

Nay.

Kwame.

Aye.

May. Aye. Mayor Pike.

Aye. All right, let's move on to letter L. It's kind of like L, M, and N together, but let's just start with one at a time there.

Mr. Mayor, if I may, just kind of set the table for these three here. As you stated, they are all three separate items, which require three separate motions, but can be discussed at the same time. They are related. Just for some context on these, this is for the Stadium View development up there off of Hill Road, Horseshoe Bend Road. This one has five applications that either are current or have been current. There is a development agreement that was taken back to City Council just in 2025, back in January, so about a year and a half ago, which is still valid and still has its approvals through 2029. There's a preliminary plat, which has expired. And then there are the three design review applications, which were before you tonight, items L, M, and N. Item L is for the common area landscaping, trash enclosures, maintenance building, and a three-story mixed-use building. Application 2M is for a one-story commercial building, and then N is for two single-family dwellings and one townhome unit, which would be similar to the Platte, which now is expired. This item came before you for an extension of time for the design review items back in August of 2025, and at that time, the city council recommended that these items come back next time. It was noted through the city council mail And then it was requested that these items come back for design review extension of time through city council for authorization. Typically these design review extensions of time or a staff level item, but the council wanted to see these ones next time they came up. So they're here. Um, I know that the applicant is here and ready to answer any questions you may have as well as city staff as well versus these items and can address any questions you may have.

Daniel, um, In general, they're asking for a one-year extension on the design review, and the rest of it is pretty much in play.

That is correct.

Okay. Mr. Mayor, Daniel, the reason I asked for L to be pulled, actually my question and concern is applicable to all three, L, M, and N. This would be the sixth extension of some sort that the applicant has requested. This is extension of time number five for each of these items. I'm curious to know from the applicant why this is taking so long. What is the problem that we can't get going on this project?

If I may, I can invite them up if you're ready to speak.

Hi, I'm Margie Portia. I'm Jeron Portia. And our daughter, Cherise. She'll run the technology for us. We're so happy to be able to talk with you today about Stadium View Center. We thank you for taking time to review the extension of time tonight, and we stand for questions.

Okay, I think the first question has already been asked, but... Councilman Kwame, you want to repeat it?

Yeah, I was wondering if you could give me what your thoughts or analysis is in terms of why it has not started to come to fruition yet. And I'm kind of wondering, have you talked to different developers to get their opinions where you haven't been able to maybe are still seeking funding, from what I gather you still are, talking to developers or other potential investors. Are you offering the right product? Are there other complicating issues associated with this that it's not moving forward like it should be?

Okay, well, a little history, and these larger projects take time. It's two and a half acres, $13 million project, And you can see here it's got restaurant, office retail, homes. And so we started back, we've owned the property about 35 years. We started back in 2017, kind of dreaming this up and working with neighbors and coming up with the design with the architect. Very thoughtful project. And by 2019, we had rezoned. looking into the comprehensive plan of EGLE that they wanted to see one mixed use. And so we dove a little deeper and added kind of their vision along with ours and came up with our project. And since then, I feel like there's been steady progress. It's been five years, but we've gone through design review huge project, uh, including, um, not just the design of the buildings, but landscape, uh, parking. Um, I'll just go to my notes here. Um, we have all the entitlements, um, of course with the DA traffic impact study is done parking analysis. We've just done so much work, the signage, the lighting, And in that time we were trying to find investors and such, but it's hard to get people to invest in a project that's still not, it doesn't have his feet under it. There was a few barriers. I mean, we can go back way back to COVID and the economy. And even now, you know, the inflation and, Well, there's a war. And so the investors have been up and down. And while Eagle has been growing and certain people do have a lot of good projects going on, I'd say it's better than ever now, the investor interest, the proposals. And so we are continuing to market. We have listed the property and the project and done so many presentations. We've come to Eagle regularly. plant building development and talked with them with other people that were interested in modifying the project just a bit. And we've had them call to see what they could do to modify. But really our true interest is keeping the footprint of the project and that is the heart of the design. So we really ask that you keep our design review, because from here we'd like to be able to take the opportunity when it comes, an investor sees something that they like, we would hate to step back and lose this progress that we've kept improving over time. So, Mainly just that the project is a mixed-use commercial. It's on prime, it's a prime location, and it's just on Horseshoe Bend Road up from Hill, so right above where the Costco might go. And there's plenty of homes and families in that area that we could really meet a need for. But I think the biggest thing that we're trying to maintain is we have to do our due diligence. Why did Eagle give us approval for this project in the first place? And that was because the design was maybe exactly what they were looking for, the best use for that property and a great revenue source and a good thing for the families and communities up in that area. as well as being a destination for Eagle, something to be proud of. And so really this is just another step to hold our design, all the work that we put into it and keep us from, you know, sliding backwards or having to recreate what we've already done. You guys have put in a lot of time helping us get to this point. And so we wouldn't want to waste your time either to come back and say, it's still the same design review. that we didn't get approved. We did get a development agreement extension to 2029 several years ago. And so I think that just showed the belief that you might have and the vision that you can see that would support extending it another year. Let me just gather my thoughts here. So mainly it's to, we want you to extend it because we want to maintain our momentum and preserve all the work and energy that you and us have We think it would be a great revenue source for EGLE and something they can really be proud of. And the development agreement is modifiable and transferable, and so we have so much interest in so many areas, and we'd like to be able to keep building on that.

There's something else.

Mr. Mayor, I just have a quick question. You mentioned that you've modified, you've done some modification. So I think we had the discussion before when you came in that, and I understand your dream and I respect your passion and certainly everybody wants people that live in our city to succeed. So if you could share what you did modify, because I believe we had a brief conversation before about Was there a need to maybe modify or tweak or do something like that to kind of get things going? And then what do you hope to have then now if you got another extension in this year coming up, what would be the objective? What are you looking at having done? What's going to make the difference and what would that be here in a year?

That's a great question because it kind of points to more recently we've done this phasing plan The green being phase one, that's a housing section and some landscape that's required. Phase two is the 5,000 square foot building and the landscape parking around it. It's tan. And then phase three is the blue area. That's a three-story restaurant, housing, office retail area with a parking drive aisle and all the parking. and finishing up all the other things in that project. So we broke it up in phases to try to make it more efficient. Some of the people that have looked at it have said that the first phase is top heavy because so much is required in that phase that it's hard to support that when you don't have the leases from the commercial area set up yet. So we've kind of talked to combining teams because housing commercial groups need to work together on this. And so maybe doing the whole project as one would be your ideal to be more efficient and to support the whole project. And so we've shifted a bit to a higher level of investor partner kind of idea rather than do the houses and then move on to the 5,000 and then move on to the larger. So we're kind of shifting our thinking. which has introduced us to a whole new group of investors that would like to do the whole thing together. And so it's just aligning with those people. And any modifications that would come, our DA, we're well within our development agreement. So for example, we have 9,000 square foot of restaurant, but we're allowed 12,000 in the DA. And we have 10,000 of housing but we could have more. And office retail, we have 12,000 and we can have 17. So if somebody were to look at this, if we can keep it in the same footprint and they want to have more restaurants or more housing, that is flexible as far as EGLE has said. As long as we keep that same idea and the same footprint and that we have the parking to support that. Presently it's parked at 100%. So there's so many options and opportunities and interest. Um, it would just be sad to see a setback of our design, uh, faltering, you know, and we asked for another year to try to make this work.

Well, Margie, I know, um, I was on the council when you first came. And so I was like, I loved it. I mean, there was the, the concept, the visual, the, everything was like, I supported it. Um, I'm kind of a little nervous about your funding resources coming to you. I mean, you're more concerned with it than I am, obviously, because this is your world. But do you have confidence that a year is going to change anything, especially with the design review? Because we've kind of formed a habit of not just automatically rubber stamping a year. somebody, we would ask you specifically, how many months do you actually need? And so, using the year, it kind of gives you this relaxation or an exhale of, okay, I got 12 months to do this, but that's gonna go quickly anyhow. But do you actually need 12 months, or is it just, you saw the standard of a year extension for these things, and you're going with that because you need the time, or you have, I think, confidently, we can do this in seven months. I mean, so, how can you explain

that portion of it.

We can't really promise anything. We've had so much interest in the land itself, in the project, and until something really aligns that can keep us in honoring the comprehensive plan and the development agreement that we have, then we won't be able to proceed. But we do own the land. We have a project that has been approved. and we need an investor and or a partner or even a buyer. And so that piece is missing. Um, though we have many proposals, uh, and that, that takes time. I mean, just like any project and it has been five, six years. Uh, but these things take time and, uh, um, you know, as long as she sees some progress, uh, you know, is,

But the 12 months, I want to get my head around the 12 months and for everybody to hear, that's probably the end of that rope at that point. There's no other extensions probably available after this year that I can think of. But you do have the DA until 2029. and this year will go quickly. So what's your contingency plan? Are you expecting to come back to us in a year and asking for some other extension of some sort? I mean, where's the confidence of investors coming into, are they looking at it going, man, this is as excited as I was about looking at it. I thought the concept was awesome, but... Yeah, where are you with that 12 months? Because I don't want you to come back in another 12 months and we're number six. It's one of those things, I think it's gonna, we've had some other developers that had similar situations come up and they got something going right now, but do you have any investment money to put into any of the construction once the design review's done that you could start moving dirt or anything to show progress?

Yeah, I think there'll be progress. Um, I know that there will be progress, um, toward, you know, the, the geotech and all that kind of stuff is, uh, the first part has been done. Like we're moving forward. We can under the, under the scenes, um, below the scenes, uh, there are things going on continuously and we'll have, we'll be able to have some forward movement toward the project. Um, It was a project that was kind of before its time at the time in 2017 and 19. There was just a little bit of commercial starting down the hill and we had a three story stadium view center kind of project. And so I think it took some time to kind of get its feet under it. Now we have that and we have forward motion and I can say that we should have progress within a year. We've had total interest. In fact, today a person said, the investor said, That property is gold. It's golden. Like it's beautiful. The project is good. There was a lot of interest again today. So we get calls a lot and it's just sorting through those things and getting it on paper and just getting the project started. We need a developer to kind of move it. We're civilians, as we always say, that have come this far and now we kind of need a developer and a general and all that kind of thing that can pull this together and help us be led in the right direction and get this off the ground. And so that's where we are. But I would say we have all intention to continue and we think that we will have progress in the year.

I'll bring it back to council. I think Nancy has it.

Yeah, Mr. Mayor, you just read off a bunch of things that you've already done in the last five years in getting this project up and running on the ground. You have until 2029 in order for the development agreement on it. Within that period of time, you're asking for a one-year extension for the design review, of which has already been approved by the city. I would really hate to see this go backwards. or not progress forward. I am inclined to see if anyone's ready to make a motion on number L and to allow for an extension. Ready? Comment? Rob?

You know, normally I question, I kind of hesitate on wanting to grant these types of extensions, but just for clarification, you're the landowner, correct?

Correct, for 35 years.

35 years you've owned the land. Mm-hmm. So for me in my eyes, typically I have more heartache over a developer who's got land that's just not developing and continuously extending, extending, extending. Right here, the land owner who's owned the land forever is trying to make something work and has already gone through a bunch of steps. I don't really have any heartache with extending it. If it was a developer that kept putting us off, it'd be a little bit different. But for me, they own the land. I would support.

Any other thoughts or questions on that?

Yeah, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, I do development myself. Typically, when you, as the developer, which you are in this case, and the landowner, you get your entitlements in place, and then the real developers that are going to do the build and own the buildings or sell the buildings, they come rushing in. You've got these entitlements in place, yet your investors are not coming racing in to buy. So what you did tell me tonight, though, which was very encouraging, is that you have become more flexible. You're getting more flexible in order to deal with these investors. And I think that potentially could have been part of the holdup on this. So I was encouraged to hear that. And for that reason, I would be... I would be in favor of granting you the extension.

We appreciate that. And that's kind of been our journey. We know this is the best, most best use of this land. To have that much flexibility, commercial, a little bit of housing, just to really live, work, play, total package is really jam-packed with financial resources. success for everybody involved, including Eagle, ourselves, and any developers. So, I mean, it's a win-win, but yeah, we've kind of learned a lot with the help of Eagle, for sure, and then across the board, just listening.

I like your project, and I know it's a passion of yours to have, and I want to see it go forward. So, I think this flexibility that you... articulated is important to have.

Thank you. Mr. Mayor, yeah and again I so admire your passion and you want to see this come to fruition and that's why I had the question about what modification had you done because sometimes when you try to hang on to just one thing when you're looking for other people to invest so I think it's encouraging that you're kind of letting up a little bit and are open to suggestions and that might be the ticket. to get this thing moving. So yeah, I would have no objection to granting another extension for you to try to do that.

Okay, we'll take that advice. Our architect is very flexible and I feel like we've become more flexible. So even as maybe Costco goes in or there's other developments around us, you know, I know that we need to change a bit and maybe modify, but we're definitely moving ahead.

Yeah, and I think you can do that. Still have that concept in your dream there, but just kind of, tweak a little bit and just give a little. So thank you. Amazing for Eagle.

All right. Well, thank you for the testimony. Is there any other questions for the applicant?

Mr. Mayor, I would like to make a motion. Okay. I'd like to make a motion to approve DR-2019-68-EXT5 slash design review extension for the common area landscaping within the Stadium View Center, including a three-story multi-tenant mixed-use commercial and residential four-unit building with Marcia Portia and Jaron Portia. And I would like to make a second motion along with DR 2019-93 EXT5-design review extension of time for one-story multi-tenant office retail building with Marcia Portia, Margie Portia and Jaron Portia, and item NDR 2019-94-ext5-design review extension of time for one townhome building, three units, and two single-family dwellings within the Stadium View Center with Margie Portia and Jaron Portia.

All right. Real quick for the attorneys, since these are all similar, we can go ahead and you don't have to spell them out, L-M-N. Okay, let's go ahead. We have the motion to have a second. Second. Any more discussion? Roll call, please.

Gillis?

Aye.

Merrill? Aye. May?

Aye.

Kwame? Motion carries.

All right, thank you guys, and thank you for coming.

Go get it built.

All right, let's move on to... Move on to 6-0. landscape maintenance agreement with the Eagle Fire District for $12,000. Eric?

Mayor and Council, I guess we've come to you guys tonight to approve the agreement that we have with the Eagle Fire District. The Fire District came to us that they were looking to make a joint adventure and since we maintain all the parks and entryways and this and that, that we could also join forces and maintain the fire departments. And so this agreement is for the existing fire departments and the landscape maintenance and all those things outlined in the exhibits. So we're seeking the approval for this agreement to enter in with them. Tyler is here. I guess if there's any other questions on the fire department side to answer, that's what we're here for.

Mr. Mayor. Yeah, I pulled this item off, and I think that what I needed to know is that it's for three different locations, for three different fire station locations.

That is correct. Okay. I'm sorry, Councilman Merrill, that is correct.

Okay.

Is there any other questions for Eric? I could tell you that I'll speak a little bit on this, that I wear both hats. The chief knows just as well as, I'm not excited about HOAs charging us and everything, but in private sector, but the fact that the city has reached out and offered to do this for them, I just think it's a good partnership, as we'll be discussing another partnership with them later, but it's kind of a no-brainer, and it's in route with most of the parks that they service, and it's not It's not something that's extending on, but I will offer the opportunity for Chief Lewis to come up if he had any further comments to make. Okay. Just standing up.

I'd like to make a motion that we approve 6-0, the landscape maintenance plan with Eagle Fire Department.

I think you have a motion to have a second. Second. Any more discussion? Roll call, please.

Kwame. Aye. May. Aye. Merrill. Aye. Gillis. Aye. Motion carries.

All right, we're gonna move on now to the public hearings. We have one public hearing tonight. It's the CUP-2026, but I wanna get into the portions of reading off the need first. Public hearings are legally noticed hearings required by state law. The public may provide formal testimony regarding the application or issue before the city council. This testimony will be part of the hearing record for that application or matter. Public hearing testimony time limits. Individuals testifying are allotted three minutes for non-repetitive testimony. And is there any disclosure or ex parte or conflict of interest from the council? All right, seeing none, I want to make sure too, we're going to open it up, and Daniel, you're going to do this, but just remember if you are testifying tonight and it's repetitive from the person that said something right before, it would be advantageous to hear another reason behind it. But also, The council can only focus on 8A, and I want Daniel to get in that a little deeper.

Mr. Mayor, before you get going, as far as the disclosure, I want to disclose that I am the liaison on this project to the city council, so I don't know if I needed to disclose that or not.

You're not getting any financial gain out of it, so you're fine. Thank you, though.

That's the right one. All right. Good evening, Mr. Mayor and members of council. My name is Daniel Miller, city of Eagle zoning administrator here to present the application for the joint application for a city initiated and Eagle fire department application for the waivers of code from title eight as you relate to the proposed city of Eagle shop and Eagle fire department training facilities. Um, just a little bit different in the process here. Um, On non-city initiated applications, you'd typically see the applicant's representative stand up, and then the city staff would stand up, present code and things like that, and that would then become time for public testimony if there was any. Tonight, since it's being jointly presented, it'll be just one presentation from both staff, fire district as well, and then we'd be happy to answer any questions that come from that available at your disposal. I'd be happy to answer any questions if I can, I admit that I'm not the subject matter expert on a lot of these things. Chief Lewis is here in attendance. We also have Eric Ziegenfuss, the Public Works Director, Caitlin Davison, and Emily Giroux with Planning and Zoning. And then the project architects are available as well for any questions that may come from that. To kind of get started, just kind of outline what this application pertains to. It focuses on the waivers that are being requested. from Title VIII, this application started with six or seven waivers of code that needed to be addressed through a conditional use permit. Since these applications have made their way through the Planning and Zoning Commission and the Design Review Board respectively, the application materials have been revised and they've been updated to address either fully or partially, I think up to four of those waiver requests, and we'll touch on those specifically as we get into the application. WHICH THE APPLICATION REALLY ISN'T, WHICH WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXPLANATION, BUT IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE USE HERE. WHEN THIS WENT TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, IT WAS NOTED TO BE A PUBLIC SERVICE FACILITY, WHICH WAS AN INCORRECT ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THIS. THE USE CONSISTENTLY AND HISTORICALLY THROUGH CITY OF EAGLE CODE WOULD BE EMERGENCY SERVICES FACILITIES AND GOVERNMENT government office, which is what has historically been utilized for applications pertaining to emergency services, fire departments, city facilities like this, whereas the public service facility has been consistently used for items through Idaho Power, I would say things like electrical substations and 138 kilovolt transmission lines. ADDITIONALLY, SO THESE WERE THE WAIVERS OUTLINED HERE THAT WERE INITIALLY PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION. THE ONES THAT ARE SHOWN IN STRIKETHROUGH HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED EITHER FULLY OR IN PART, AND WE CAN WALK THROUGH EACH OF THOSE. AS THE PRESENTATION GOES ON, THE INITIAL REQUESTS FOR WAIVERS WERE FOR METAL SIDING ADJACENT TO A PUBLIC STREET, EXPOSED FASTENERS, CHAINLINK FENCING, LIVE FIRE TRAINING TOWER, UTILIZING material similar to a shipping container, and then a height exception, which was proposed at 41 feet through the commission and now is showing at 38 1⁄2 feet. Unenclosed trash enclosures with no landscape screening. That one's been amended as well. Gravel parking area with no interior landscaping, and then no street trees in the parkway between the right-of-way and the sidewalk on Horseshoe Bend Road. The property itself came into the city's jurisdiction in 2016 as a result of the adoption of Resolution 2192, which transferred the land from the Ada County to the City of Eagle. With that, 11.93 acres that were included within that to the city did have regulations for use. that were contemplated at the time. Those highlighted within do show that government building and offices as well as emergency services were contemplated at that time in 2016 when this was sold to the City of Eagle. Here are those two parcels that were transferred through this resolution. The subject property tonight is shown as the shape to the south, the trapezoid here in blue. This item did come before the Planning and Zoning Commission on August 3rd, which time the commission made a motion to remand the application. At that point, it was considering, due to the error in the staff report, identifying this application as a public service facility. That was rectified through a staff review by the Development Services Director. There was some transitions going on at this time and whose eyes were on which applications. have kind of come to light here and Bill with his historical knowledge has been involved in a lot of these applications over time and was able to identify an error in this identification through this process and was able to rectify this to ensure that consistency is maintained through these definitions and uses. The application came back before the Planning and Zoning Commission on August 17th at which time they made a motion to approve it considering the waivers that had been approved with conditions of approval. The project itself is located just east of Highway 55 along Horseshoe Bend Road north of Floating Feather. As I identified earlier, it is this parcel right here. It does encompass about 7.4 acres of the, about 200 acres of that Joint Eagle Ada Bike Park, about 3% of the totality of the project. It's my understanding that both entities had previously and separately conducted um, site analysis to establish which sites may be appropriate for these independent uses in years past. Uh, Eric's digging flows with the city and chief Lewis can talk on these with more specificity. Um, but it was noted by the, uh, fired department that this location was an ideal location. They had previously come from a similar situation where they had a, a training facility just here where Eagle, uh, money metals exchange was just there, um, West of, or, east of the Ace Hardware here downtown, and they used that space for quite a few years until they were kicked out. And they've identified this property here. I think it has benefit to them in that it's, with the prevailing winds that come from the west through the area, any smoke from training endeavors happening on site would likely dissipate either by the property line, but those that do trespass beyond the property line to the east wouldn't have neighbors to the east to be exposed to any potential smoke For the city itself, for the Public Works Department, this was identified as a central location for operations of the city. It is close to Gerber Park, the bike park, obviously, Reed Merrill Park. It's close to Hill Road, which the city maintains portions of the landscape. It's also close to City Hall and the library, so getting staff back and forth from City Hall to the shop, as well as opportunities for maintenance, would be ideal in this situation. Here's a more close-up view of that site adjacent to the adjacencies. And then walking through some of these waivers and how they've been addressed or still need to be addressed through a city council action. The previous request that went to both the board and the commission requested metal roofing and siding with exposed fasteners. On this item, the commission recommended approval with both waivers granted. BUT THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD RECOMMENDED CONCEALED FASTENERS BE IMPLEMENTED INTO THE PROJECT. JUST LAST WEEK, ON SEPTEMBER 19TH, MATERIALS WERE REVISED, APPLICATION MATERIALS, WHICH CHANGED THE PROPOSAL, WHICH INCLUDED, STILL INCLUDES METAL SITING ADJACENT TO THE WRITE-AWAY, BUT DID GET RID OF THE CONCEALED FASTENERS. SO THAT ITEM HAS BEEN ADDRESSED. along with the elevations that were included within your packet here. So here's an elevation rendering of that facade up against Horseshoe Bend Road. The waiver request for metal siding facing the road is still applicable and would need council action either to approve or modify that or take action as you prefer. And then the waiver request for hidden fasteners has been withdrawn because new materials removed that. I believe it was at a cost of about $140,000 or so. One of the other waivers was regarding fencing. The previous application materials showed powder coated chain link fencing around the entire perimeter of the project. With this, the commission recommended privacy fencing along the southern boundary where it abuts Ada County property. The design review board recommended alternative fencing or enhanced landscaping. The application materials were revised to remove all chain link fencing and now includes a decorative wooden fence with a steel frame along the southern boundary line and then a open style tubular steel or wrought iron style fence along the adjacent remainder of the property. So with the result of the plan change, these items meet code and would be compliant with that.

waiver request for this item specifically has also been withdrawn.

Here's a site plan showing the proposed fencing in orange. You have the six foot high tube steel fence, and then you've got the decorative wood fence located on the berm to the southern edge. And here's a rendering of that from the southern boundary coming from the Ada County property. The next item is the fire training facility and height exception request. This request is to allow both the shipping container type structure as a permanent use on the property. City code does not permit by right the ability to use shipping containers as a permanent structure. And then there's a request to modify the requirements for a height, maximum height, which is established through code The request here was 41 feet when it went to the Commission and the Board. It is now being requested to be 38.5 feet total. With this, the Commission recommended approval of this waiver request, but the Board recommended that the handrail colors complement the color scheme chosen for the principal building on the property. I understand it was also discussed with the board and was stated that the black color is preferable by the fire department because when trainings happen and there is live fire happening within there, that at some point colors get stained and get ash, get discolored anyway. So going with a black color is just more consistent with what the end result is going to be in the end anyways. The trash enclosure is one of the items here. the previous request was to permit unenclosed trash receptacles with no landscape screening since then this item has been partially revised by through updated materials commission recommended approval of this waiver in conjunction with the opaque fence along the southern boundary with the fencing changing that changes their recommendation a bit i would say and the board recommended enclosed traction receptacles with landscape screening The site plan was revised to now enclose the trash enclosure within a CMU wall. There is still no landscaping presented with this. It isn't proposed to be built into that hillside with a CMU retaining wall that would provide coverage on three sides and then slope up around it so it would be enclosed by the hillside without landscaping around it. So it is now enclosed, but there is still a request to waive the requirement for the required landscaping around the trash enclosure. And then parking requirements, the request to permit a portion of the required on-site parking to be an unpaved surface. City code speaks to paved surfaces for commercial and similar uses such as this. There is a request to waive the requirement for interior parking lot landscaping in the gravel parking area. So here's the site plan as it is presented today with eight paved parking stalls proposed within phase one. Those would be the parking stalls that were accessible by the public, anybody who was there to visit staff or the fire department for any reason. And then behind the fence, there are 42 gravel parking stalls that are not proposed to be paved. There are plans for a potential phase two. If there was any phase two development happening on this property, it would come through a future design review application. Many kind of paving requirements could be evaluated then as well. Those do come back through the city council. But in this current phase, there's eight paid parking stalls for the public use and then 42 for staff use. In future phases, depending on availability of funding, that would be a big portion of this, but there are also plans to pave an additional 19 parking stalls along the western edge of the building for additional public use. And that one is kind of contingent on when funding can be available to construct those improvements. And the last request for a waiver comes through the request for street trees and their location. This one's a little bit of splitting hairs, but it's very important. There's a request to waive the requirement of the installation of street trees within the parkway strip as they're required along North Horseshoe Bend Road. The picture here is intended to illustrate the existing condition and why the trees were presented on the east side of that existing pathway or the proposed pathway and not within the parkway strip. There are overhead power lines that would conflict with the tree canopies and as such a 20 foot wide power easement, which would be inhibition to the planting of the trees in those locations. Uh, both the commission and the board recommended street trees installed within the parkway strip and those hearings or those meetings, I'm not sure it was clarified that there's a real hardship with doing that. I'm not sure if that was stated clear enough. Um, but the power easement would prohibit planting within that. And really if you see the exhibit on the right here in blue is where the, public pathway is, and then the property line here on the right, which is pretty much encompassing of both the power easement and the pathway. And then in this next slide, if you see where the mouse is here on the screen, it really does pinch down really quite a bit here along the property line as well. So the proposal was to take those 11 trees that would be required through code within the parkway strip, move them to the east side of that pathway, still have landscape coverage within there, but put them there to avoid the overhead power lines and to ensure that they've got the proper space for adequate root growth, which as the roots grow, so do the canopies. A few other items just to touch on here that were modified between the commission and board meetings to tonight is the proposed landscape modifications. One of the things that everybody heard was that the view shed and the conditions that interface with the property to the east, the Ada County property, um, had concerns with screening opportunities and visibility. So as a result, that landscape berm along the Southern edge has been enhanced. not just to end at the edge of the parking lot, but, uh, the buffer has been increased to go to the entirety of the Eastern property line. There is now a five foot tall, seven foot tall, uh, earthen berm within a five foot tall fence on top of that. You can't go on top of the burn, but it does go on the north side of that about halfway down the slope. You get about 10 and a half feet of screening from the Southern property line from that view into the property. Um, in addition, uh, there are now an abundant 23 trees, um, planted along that berm to provide additional screening from that, that Southern view. And here's a summary of that. So seven foot high earthen berm, six foot high privacy fence, and about 10 and a half feet of screening from the Southern property line and 23 trees in lieu of the previously proposed seven trees, um, along that Southern property line there. And then the trail realignment. This is a component of this. So currently shown in an orange kind of light pink is the proposed decommissioned trail that has been noted to be decommissioned by Ada County. That one currently goes through the city property and has been there for quite a while. They proposed to realign that to the southern boundary through their property shown in yellow with the yellow dash line. It would be routed outside of the city property here and the trail in red would be abandoned as such as you see out of order here but as you see here the one in green that goes through this shape here would be abandoned and there would be a new one that connects to that and still provides access from the corner here all the way through the eagle ada county bike park there's two new renderings available uh here's a view from horseshoe bend road the west elevation that you would see from the road and then again the screening from the southern edge along the new trail orientation there. There are plans for potential future phases that would need to be addressed through future design review applications that may include additional buildings that are being contemplated within here along the southern edge and then the eastern edge there. Those aren't intended to be built this time along with potential for training spots for public works to go through and, you know, have a tree farm area or vegetation training, things that would benefit city staff in terms of how they possibly deal with real world situations in a controlled environment. But those would not be additional structures here shown along the Eastern edge, nor would they be in that grid necessarily. They're there primarily to show a scale and, uh, and, dimensional constraints. Uh, the landscape plan and future phasing, a majority of the work goes in within phase one. The, the berm of the fencing all goes in within phase one. Uh, the parking lot that's paved on the Northern edge of the building goes in within phase one, the city shop facility, and then the live fire training facility would all go in as part of phase one. Um, phase two, if there were to be one, there would be, uh, as I stated, potentially part of the, uh, Landscaping being removed in front of the building to the west to incorporate additional paved parking and then potential opportunities for staff training through additional uses within. In a summary of that, the request for waivers, as I stated, there was about seven waivers that were being requested through the commission and the board. Metal siding still needs a council consideration against the road. Exposed fasteners have been addressed through the revised plans. Chain link fencing has been removed as a waiver request since that's been addressed pursuant to city code. The live fire training tower utilizing the shipping containers as well as the height exception request from 35 feet to 38 and a half feet still needs to be considered by council. The trash enclosure will now be enclosed, which is compliant with code, however will not have landscape screening around it as code requires. It will be built into the hillside with a retaining wall. The gravel parking but no interior landscaping exists and needs council action. And then the location of the street trees, and if it's acceptable to have them on the east side of that boundary there. With that, there are a few items that Chief Lewis would like to speak to as part of this presentation. I'd like to invite him up now to answer any additional questions or provide any clarity on anything that he has to say, as well as walk through the item that can be pulled up here as well. But it is the... the programming for the maintenance and operations of the training facility, which speaks to things like a number of average number of training opportunities each year, hours of operation, air quality monitoring, noise and lighting, things of that nature.

All right. And then Daniel also have you and the chief come up on rebuttal after public testimony to further further.

Mayor and Council, Tyler Lewis, Eagle Fire Chief, 1119 East State Street, for the record. Excited to be able to be in front of you tonight to kind of continue this conversation that we've been through the other boards with. But through this process, we have taken significant input as we've gone through each one of those and heard some stuff from the different boards. That's why you're seeing some of those enhanced landscape pieces. Some of that was that southern border. We really did try to beef up that berm to make sure that we continue to provide when cars are in the back that we're not shining light outside the facility in those areas. And then tried to really have the landscape team put that to where it was over planted so that eventually those trees will, you know, and not right away, and we didn't overpopulate the rendering on purpose to not show it what it would be in 10 years, but what it would look like when it's actually planted, and then hopefully we'll have some shielding on that south side outside of what that fence looks like. But really, I wanted to take an opportunity to just talk about kind of what's on the slide in front of you, and then also I think we provided the actual documentation piece. After taking a lot of input from the community and going back and forth on like, hey, what does a burn facility actually mean and what does that actually do? We definitely realized that, hey, we need to put together some pieces that, and generally this document would live probably in the joint powers agreement that we have. If this got approved, we still have to put together with the fire district and the city as just a joint project as a whole. But we wanted to bring attention to it because we've been out, done some education with the public on this, what a Class A building is. Class A building, kind of like it is in front of you, we can only burn clean wood, and generally that's clean pallets, hay or straw, those are the things that are required. Really, in that document in front of you, what we tried to capture is kind of our commitment to this is how this facility is going to be used. We tried to come up with our best efforts of how much we're doing right now and then what our average use of that would be a year. A lot of questions on like, okay, 50 burns a year, 50 days essentially that we plan on burning a year. of smoke leaving the actual building in any given time. That's about one hour a day because how that is, how that works is we build a, we build a crib is what they call it and they put it in there and we burn that piece. Uh, the smoke, the fire crew goes in, suppresses that fire. We reset, uh, we usually only get about four or five of those in a day. So each one of those evolutions may take an hour, but the burn time that that's actually burning is about that five to seven minute time cause it's only enough fuel to last that long. Um, it is not an uncontrolled burning situation. It's not like we are burning this week. We're becoming far and few between that we get these donated houses with the development kind of capping out. We are burning one down here, down by Banbury, the end of the golf course this week. Class A burn facilities are not what those are because that is once we light that fire and say we had to pull people out, Although there's emergency precautions in that, once that house starts burning and we end up burning it to the ground for the developer for the cost savings for them, that is a we let that burn situation. That's usually an hour to two hours of smoke, black column, a big difference that you're going to see in the difference between that and a Class A burn facility. And so that's what we're proposing. The other piece, just a highlight, and I wasn't going to read through every single one of these. It's in front of you guys tonight. These are some of the restrictions. I think the important ones is that it will be fully NFPA compliant. Uh, for those that don't know what that says, I put that on there and I was like, they're immediately going to be, what does that mean that you use an acronym on this piece? But that's national fire protection agency. Uh, that is our main regulator as a fire department. Uh, that is between them and another, um, agency, which is the Idaho insurance rating bureau. Uh, those are really the two regulatory authorities over us when we have regulations. Um, and so we're saying that we're going to fully comply with what is 1402, which is a section of that NFPA piece for these type of facilities. Um, and then we really heard back of like, Hey, we'd really give confidence to the community that we are. Obviously we do a ton of monitoring with these when we're starting them, that we're not believing smoke, have smoke leaving the property line. That's why we wanted, and this property is so intriguing as it is seven acres and we're using really with the burn facility, we're down about that two and a half to three acres. And as it gives us that buffer zone, that that smoke is not leaving the property line. And then if it is leaving the property and that we have significant lift and then our burning and then we're committing to, hey, if it's not doing these things and it's not performing the way it's supposed to, that we're shutting down these burn operations and moving to a different day if the weather didn't permit on that piece. So there's a lot of talk about loading in this piece, the NFPA standards, hours of operations, noise and lighting. And then just trying to really address in the one that we're working through is whether this and this is the piece that I think that We're trying to capture is making sure we take input from the community as we're using it So what we don't want to do is be out there even on a Thursday random Thursday Making although we don't believe that there should be a lot of noise leaving the property either That's the the purpose of having the building where it's at from going across the street the berming piece the auto extrication stuff being able to be on the north side of that burn facility and really putting buildings between people and, um, or residents and our training going on. Uh, we still want to be able to make sure we continue to have feedback. And so we're working through that process of whether that's an app, whether that's through a social media piece. Uh, right now we were proposed an email, a piece that, um, Hey, we want to be able to take that feedback that if somebody also has a, and we also did it for the city, staff as well, that if we're causing a nuisance, we want to hear about it and make sure we're shutting those pieces down and not having them be a nuisance. And in those situations, it would be, I used an example the other night, last night, when we were doing some community education at that meeting, is if you're having a a barber a wedding at three o'clock on a thursday whether we're going to be noisy or not we want to know about it because we want to be good neighbors no different than i tell my neighbor right now when i'm doing those things because i also don't want him mowing his lawn if there's something significantly going on because even that little bit of noise can be annoying when we're recreating and having those things especially when there's an event going on it can be a distraction and so it's coordinating those pieces when there's big events going on at the park You'll see the races that are obviously down from us, participated in those in the past, and then we're out there. And we generally know about those because we're out there doing standby and different things for those recreational opportunities that would be adjacent to us. with that, that was the highlights. I just wanted to talk about this part and our, what we're doing on the public operations and community protection plan piece. Um, and that we're committed to that piece, whether that needs to be part of the record tonight, or if it needs to be part of that, when it comes in front of you is that joint powers agreement, uh, we're fully on board with, uh, bringing forward conditions to make sure it's done properly and safely. So I will stand for any questions. Questions.

Yeah. Mr. Mayor. Um, Hey chief on, um, um, Couple questions regarding potentially concerns about wildfire. When you do a burn in the burn tower, are there engineered systems or operational procedures to keep sparks or embers coming out?

Yeah. When these fires are lit, that's why we're using clean wood and straw. They're lit in a burn room. There's only three of them inside this building. So you can't burn anywhere inside of the building. There's three burn cell, what we call burn cells. They're set up in those burn cells. Uh, that part of the building is reinforced. That's how we're in. Although it's reinforced, it's three to four inches of steel spacing between the outside shell, which is trying to reduce that, uh, what we call scaling, which you'll see if you go to and look online at other training facilities and that things, uh, that nature, There's a lot of homegrown pieces of these where the fire department went and bought a bunch of ship containers, bolts them together and says, okay, we're going to go to town. That is stuff that happens in the industry. We've chosen to go out to bid just so we could get a price. We haven't purchased or ordered, but we went out to bid to make sure we could have a qualified builder of this type of building. And so they put that building together. So we're not actually going out and putting anything together ourself. But to answer your question, in those burn cells, what we're trying to do is generate heat and smoke is the two biggest things. And so there should not, while there isn't any embers leaving the building, because those are the two things that are in a burn room and they're away from windows. And so we're not generating those sparks outside of that facility. Um, and then if we are, that's why we're trying to, and we won't be. Um, but in that there's extra precaution. Fire department wants to go above and beyond that piece and step on that piece. Uh, that's what our buffer zone is for is making sure that we continue to have that buffer zone that would, the smoke's dissipating in that same piece and that we wouldn't be, uh, Amber, what they would confer confer in a wildland fire as Amber casting, uh, into that urban interface, into the wildland, uh, or the rest of the foothill area up there. Um,

Would there be a potential of having like a fire watch outside the facility just in case something failed?

Yeah, 100%. So I talk about NFPA standards on all of that piece. That is one of the requirements, and that's part of that weather spotting, smoke spotting. Anytime we burn, it's a significant event that we're putting on that, hey, we're doing these burns and they have to meet this NFPA piece. We have to have an entire burn plan of which that burn plan requires that spotting portion of that. Watching the building, watching things around it, watching engines even that are outside, that they're not overheating and different stuff like that. So absolutely would be appropriate to have that piece and have it put into the system. And would fall underneath the NFPA standard of which we would be required to cover on.

And am I correct when thinking that when you do have a day of training using the burn tower, it would last about four to five hours?

Yeah. Four to five hours with about an hour of burn time. Okay. Yeah. So about an hour of actual smoke at that time. But yeah, four to five hours of a day is about all we can handle. Um, we burned all day today down there and I believe I'm gonna look at staff because they were down there today doing it with them. But I think we started at 9am and they were done by two 30.

So one more question. Um, currently you're, you're using the Boise fire training facility and, when you're using that, are you out of service? Is that equipment out of service for the period of time there? As opposed, if this, if Eagle has its own training tower, then if there is an emergency, you can pull out of that and go respond.

That's correct. That's, that's really the desire to have it in your district and have it. And what the, it brings up a good point, but yes, to answer your question directly is we are out of service when we leave the district for any of those trainings. Uh, we do summit Boise summit star. Um, it's a stars probably one of our biggest partners just because of time. It's a 45 minute turn time transport time out there and back. So it's a two hour out of service time every time we send a unit there. And so that is one of the biggest desires of this need. It's been a need for a long time. We've had other training sites. We used to be up off Goose Creek. We got pushed out of there. They built a, I don't know if everybody's aware of that, but they have a gas processing plant now up there that burns off flare. And so we used to be able to go up there and do some training pieces. We used to be behind Evans. That used to be our primary spot. If everybody remembers that, that's where all of our props were set up and that we really trained on quite a bit. With development over there, we moved out. But to answer your question directly, is yes, units go out of service any time they leave, which is some of the burden having this. And I do think it's important to mention, because this was a confusing piece, we are not referring to this as a regional training facility. It is not a regional training facility. In our world, what we would refer to as a neighborhood uh, training facility, which is essentially built for us and our mutual aid partners that are close to us. Uh, we're not anticipating bringing in people from all over the state, um, to, to have them come here and rent out the facility from us, um, on that piece. But hopefully that answers your question that yes, we're out of service if we're leaving the district for those training events.

And last, last question, the, uh, the height waiver, uh, at 38 and a half feet, which is three and a half feet above the 35.

Yeah.

Is that rail or does that include a shipping container material?

Nope. So that's all the way to the top of the rail, the guard rail at the top of it, the shipping container, and that's a four foot rail. So we're on, if we took the rail off the top, which we can do, it's there because we're using that. We do have an Eagle. We're fortunate enough to have what we call a tactical rescue team that does rope propelling. And that's why we were looking for that height piece with a place that they could go up to the top of to do repelling off of the top of the building. There is no burn. cell in that top portion of the building, it is there for that repelling piece and then stretching hoses to the same size buildings that we have in the City of Eagle is what we desire there. But to answer your question, it is not to the top of that building piece, that top box that's on top of there is four and a half, I think it's 36 inches. I think those rails are actually 38 inches, so 38 inches below that piece. We would be under without that rail at maximum height.

Thank you.

Other questions? Rob?

Mr. Mayor. Are you going to be using this, too, to do extrication training and stuff like that with chopper cars like you used to do outside the station here?

Yeah, so I don't know if anybody's participated in our open house, but that same activity would happen there that we've demonstrated time and time again. Our anticipated place for that would be on the north side of that. The north side between the building, the... Maintenance facility building and the training tower would be over in that area to be shielded from properties to the south.

Can you pull that slide up, though, so the public can see what you're referring to?

Quickly, probably. I thought you were talking about the mic. I thought it quickly faded away.

No, no, no, you're good. We have it for the public to see, so I want to make sure they know what you're talking about.

Daniel, I may have to make you help me here because I might be on something different here.

And Mr. Mayor, I'll have a couple follow-ups. Go ahead. I just want them to have reference to that.

So yes, that would be performed there. I appreciate that question. I'll take a little bit of a leeway on that answer is because the auto extrication piece will be happening there. There will be a lot of other training happening there. There's a lot of focus on, hey, what's the smoke and burn piece doing? We're required to put our firefighters through just about 300. I mean, last year, every single firefighter went through 400 hours of training. The requirement is near that 300 mark. And so the facility, although there's classrooms up there and EMS sim rooms that we're building in, so there's a lot of other things going on up there. I know there's a lot of focus on the training tower piece that I've talked to you tonight because that was a lot of the concerns from the community. But to speak to that piece, yes, the extrication piece would go up there and it would be in that kind of that northern side of that building between the shop and the training facility.

You kind of answered it for me, but you know, we have a population of over 40,000 people in Eagle and that doesn't count hundreds and thousands that pass through here every day. Also going to and from North Idaho, you know, out towards Canyon County, out towards Boise and beyond. Um, how important is this extrication training and this fire training for your personnel and how often you kind of touched on it with the extrication stuff, but, um, how often do they have to do recurrent training to stay, fresh and what do you want to see as a chief? Like what is safe for our community to expect from our firefighters and our paramedics and everything else you guys are gonna have going on? Um, yeah.

So we're striving obviously to be above the standard cause that's what the fire, that's what makes your fire department an excellent fire department. The standard makes you standard. And so we are shooting for being well above that. That's why the difference between that 300 and 400 hours of per member piece there. The expectation for our firefighters is daily training. Now it may not happen here. They've continued to do the pieces that they've done. It's gotten harder as our community has grown. It used to be when I came over to Eagle, used to be able to throw a ladder against any business and they were like, yeah, I get on top of it. We've paid for a ton of gutters and roofs, even flat roofs across the years by just doing damage and those pieces to those. And so specifically ask your question. It's a daily, uh, challenge that we want firefighters out to be proficient. Um, and we're not actually looking for proficient. We're looking for excellence when we're doing those things. Um, as the organization has grown, um, I will tell you just because this is a stat piece from when I came on as the fire chief, I've been the fire chief now six years, the fire department's grown personnel wise and stations 53%, um, to keep up with the growth that we've seen in the, in the community. 53 and so people always ask me like, yeah, but you've done it forever with what you've had. I've had 53, 3%, 46 to be exact, 46 new firefighters in the last six years that we've added to the ranks to keep up with and staff our station piece. That's why there's a drive and a place and a need for this training piece is because of those pieces. I have twice as twice as many personnel that I need to train and we're, and we're chasing an excellence piece because the, The level of service that is being demanded out there on a daily basis when I'm talking to citizens has only increased as well as the population has grown. So hopefully that answers the question.

Yeah, just one more thing to add to it. Structure fires aren't uncommon out here. Real life structure fires that are not training scenarios, right? Yeah. I mean, we've seen a lot of fire activity across this valley in structures.

That's correct. The Eagle Fire District, although not all in Eagle, we do mutual aid, has responded to, and some of them end up being a working fire or something small, appliance fire, but some kind of fire in a residential home, Eagle, so responded to 70 of those to date.

And with the traffic collision stats that the police chief gave us of 86 accidents in this last month, there's no... sense that these crashes are going to stop and we're seeing bad crashes happen on highway 55 on 16 on 44 we just had the fatal at edgewood your personnel are involved with these extrication type things so i mean my concern is that i want our firefighters to be in our city and i know that mutual aid happens and things happen but for training you know if you're training you're able to be in our city i think it's a win-win for our city so it's just i wanted to get kind of a grasp on that training component And then the call volume component as the population's growing, as the accidents are occurring, as the fires are occurring. And I just appreciate you guys doing what you're doing and try to accomplish here. I know that there's a concern about where this training location is being placed. Can it go somewhere else in the city? I know we just broke ground on the BLM joint fire station with Station 2. I know 4 is going to be up and running. But I think that it's one of those things that nobody understands until they need you. It's just like the police. So I appreciate what you guys are trying to do.

Yeah, no, I appreciate that piece. And we're just working hard to make sure that, um, no matter where we go, what your guys' decision tonight is, we have a place that we can do it safely and responsibly. Uh, cause that's our first service to the public.

Mr. Mayor, uh, chief, uh, can you a couple of questions here? Will you be having a classroom training in indoor classroom training at this location?

Yes, there's a, there's an indoor classroom there. They're generally restricted to our recruit academies, which are in that eight to 10 people range. There, there is times when we could go larger than that. It just depends on the type of classroom that we would be bringing in multiple people in. But generally the, the largest use would be for our recruit academies when we have them up there to have a, and there is a planned classroom built into the building. Okay.

And then the other question is how many will be, they're actually training with the fire, with the tower.

Yeah. So that can fluctuate, um, on to the minimum would be a single engine company going up there to do training, uh, which would include generally four people. So there's four there. Um, if we bring a multi-company together, um, we'll usually have, we could have up to three engines. Um, so you could have them, they're coming obviously in their engine. Uh, they're not coming in POVs, uh, but they are, yeah, there could be up to three. A full response for us is a 3-1-1. What that means is three engines, a truck, and a battalion. Those we do semiannually that will put those trainings together that would then be functioning up there as well.

Okay. I want you to talk to me about the extrication on the cars. Yeah. So when you are finished with those, you bring them in and you tear them apart, and you've got parts and pieces everywhere. What happens when you're finished with the training? with those cut parts and pieces.

Yeah. And so we've really tried to implement a rule that may be there early, earlier than training, uh, up to a week earlier than training. Our rule is generally once they've been cut up, they need to be gone within 48 hours because that's the other piece. We also looked into this piece. I was able to take a citizen group out to tour Star's facility of this. Star does have a facility out there. And one of the things that caught my eye even is they do have pallets out there stacked that they burn. That wouldn't be – that's not our – I even told the citizen group that I was a little even – I guess I'm on the record for that, but I was embarrassed for that piece because it's just not what we would want to do and what our standard would be. And so we'd have them either stored in the building or have a storage area that would be covered and concealed in those ways. Whether it's fencing, there's just a lot of ways to put those pieces together. But with the same thing with the cars, within 48 hours after the extrication training, they need to be off of the property and cleaned up in that piece. And the tow truck company, I'll be honest with you, the way we work now, the tow truck company brings them to us, we cut them up. They want them back about as quickly as they can get because they got the donation to us, but they also get paid as soon as they drop them off. And so they're actually trying to chase them back. Like, are you done with that car? Because the tow company is what gets paid for those destructed cars once they drop them off for recycling.

Thank you.

Anybody else?

Thank you. Like I said, you'll be back up on rebuttal as well. All right, Daniel, do you have anything to follow up before we do the public testimony?

Mr. Mayor, I just wanted to make the option available to you all that if you had any questions or anything you wanted to hear about the city shop facility that Eric is available now, either for any questions you may have about that, or he can also be available during the rebuttal portion after public testimony's completed. Completed.

What's your pleasure, counsel? Would you want to hear now or wait?

I think we'll wait.

Okay, perfect. Thanks, Amy. All right. Thank you, Connor. All right, the first person that would like to testify is Sam Blaine. And remember, if you have a repetitive thing that somebody just said, or you have a group of people and you would have a spokesperson, they can take a couple of those minutes to get the whole thing out in a smooth fashion. So go ahead, name and address for the record, please.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. My name is Sam Blaine. I'm at 1505 North Watson Way here in beautiful Eagle, Idaho. I'm here tonight speaking on behalf of the Southwest Idaho Mountain Biking Association, our 1100 members and outdoor recreationalists throughout the Treasure Valley. Thank you for this opportunity to give public testimony on this proposed fire district and training facility and the City of Eagle maintenance facility. Before I begin, I wanna make sure that we make something extremely clear in our remarks here, and I would imagine I'm gonna speak on behalf of everybody in the room that might be giving public comment here, but SWIMBA is not opposed to this facility. In fact, as recreationalists, we have a an acute understanding for the services that our first responders provide in our community. So we're not opposed to the facility. Additionally, I want to thank Chief Lewis just for his stewardship of his department, his staff, Director Ziegenfuss for his staff as well, in terms of what services are provided to the community. We recognize the importance of public safety and the need to provide our first responders with Class A facilities to do training and to be prepared within our communities. Our concern is just simply where this facility is located. For more than 20 years, these seven and a half acres have been used as part of the Ada Eagle Bike Park and Sports Complex. They are part of a larger recreational environment that I think the city has done an exceptional job of cultivating for its residents and guests. And that includes trails, pathways, open spaces, and other facilities that residents have relied upon for years. We understand that the proposed project may preserve some connectivity within the trail system that's there, but maintaining a trail connection is not the same thing as maintaining a recreational experience. A permanent maintenance facility introduces a fundamentally different character to this area, and more buildings, more vehicles, more lighting, more traffic, all of those ongoing operations are gonna have an impact on the recreation experience for those users. The value of the Eagle Ada Bike Park simply isn't the number of recreational acres on a spreadsheet. The value comes from the connection to the trails and the open spaces and the character of the place and the destination of that recreation. This is just an issue that we believe the city council should consider carefully and the precedent it establishes. That precedent you could be establishing here is if recreational land can be converted to another use simply because the city can maintain an overall recreational acreage somewhere else. That's a slippery slope that I would think you need to take under consideration. If that becomes the standard, no individual park, trail area, or recreational property is really protected. any recreational space could potentially become available for development as long as the city can maintain its level of service elsewhere. I know we're up on time, but I'll be happy to answer any questions anybody has.

All right, Sam, appreciate your comments.

Thank you all. Thanks again.

All right, Kathy. Usually we do not allow applause, boo, hiss, hooray, or whatever. but if you're that polite with your clapping after somebody speaks, just try to make it quick. Let's go with the next one that wants to testify is Kathy Ellison.

Kathy Ellison, 1355 North Trail Creek Way, Eagle. Mayor, city council members, thank you for listening to us and hearing our concerns. I ask you to deny these waivers. In giving a yes vote, you are allowing facilities to be built that are not compatible with the area. Please review the November 2016 deed of sale and public testimony in your packets and honestly tell me that this facility should be built on this site. The property was deeded from Ada County to the City of Eagle in 2016. Ada County retained deed restrictions limiting uses to encourage the use and development of park and public recreation opportunities. The applicants have stripped away the main focus of CUP 202613 by changing what they call their services to fit from a conditional permitted use to an approved use in the property's public, semi-public classification zone. The applicants have renamed the use to fit the deed so that they no longer have to ask for that waiver. This is playing fast and loose with the intent of the deed. The applicants call the facility and activities a government office and an emergency service. But what it is really is a live burn tower and fire training center and a city maintenance yard. Please take the intent of the Eagle City Code 8732 to evaluate the project, recognizing it is inserting conflicting uses into an existing park and neighborhood. The codes require that such uses be harmonious and appropriate in appearance with the existing or intended character of the general vicinity, and that such use will not change the essential character of the area. Will not be hazardous or disturbing to existing neighborhoods. Will not involve uses, activities, processes, materials, equipment, and conditions of operation that will be detrimental to any person's property or the general welfare by reason of excessive production of traffic, noise, smoke, fumes, glare, and odors. will not result in the destruction, loss, or damage of a natural, scenic, or historic feature of importance. These items are exactly some of the concerns and the arguments that neighbors, park users, and our own PNZ and DNR boards brought up. If you allow these things to go in by their very nature of their activities, the codes will be violated. These facilities need to be in an industrial zone. Do not be the city council that feels rushed, pressured into passing off this project without further investigation for a more appropriate location. No one is denying that these facilities are needed. We love our police, we love our firefighters. We know that they need a place to train and how important it is. but the location needs to be industrial. It does not need to be plopped in to neighborhoods and a well-loved, a well-used, a well-established park. Thank you. Thank you.

All right, Allison Clark.

Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. My name is Allison Clark. My address is 12659 West Ensley Lane. I'm here tonight because... Star?

Correct. Make sure you get your whole address, everybody. That's important. OK, go ahead.

Yes, Star, Idaho. I'm here tonight because this proposed facility fails EGLE's most fundamental design requirement. It is explicitly not designed or constructed to be harmonious and appropriate in appearance with the existing or intended character of this vicinity. When you look at this location, there are no other metal buildings in this area. Right next to this site, our public infrastructure reflects a distinct, high quality aesthetic. Even the existing pump house and restrooms utilize stucco, wood, brick, stone, and premium materials designed to blend seamlessly into our community. Instead of matching that high-ingled standard, the applicant is proposing a low-budget, cheap metal structure. This design belongs in an industrial park, not next to our beloved recreation hub. In its current form, this facility looks like a commercial storage warehouse or an auto mechanic shop, with its multiple roll-up bay doors and stark metal exterior. But this goes far beyond daytime aesthetics. This corner is the gateway to the park, and now it's slated to become a truck parking lot during the exact times when this area is used the most, evenings and weekends. This is when the Eagle Bike Park is busiest with local families, children, mountain bikers, and residents at home trying to enjoy their properties. storing vehicles not to mention all the other items such as junk cars pallets mattresses and dead deer carcasses directly clashes with the recreational family-centric nature of this area of course people care about what goes into their backyards and neighborhoods we expect the city to care as well eagle is a high prime real estate market and we would expect the city to build to its highest standards not ground downgrade Let me be clear, the people do not support this facility at the proposed location. However, if it must move forward despite community opposition, the very least that should be expected is a facility that respects and complements the character of this residential neighborhood. Thank you.

Thank you. Sorry, Dorothy Wadlam. If I mispronounce your name, please correct me. But so far, was that good? Okay, great.

Good evening, I'm Dorothy Woglum, 1334 North Trail Creek Way in Eagle. Every decision this council makes carries a public trust. Under your own code, any waiver requires findings on nine standards. including neighborhood character, hazard to neighbors, and freedom from excessive noise, smoke, or odor. Beneath these waivers, what you're being asked to approve tonight is a fire tower, a tower the fire chief explained is designed to generate smoke. You're also being asked to approve a municipal fleet yard that your public works director said will pick up whatever's out there, trash, old mattresses, dead animals. No one can stand on that parcel under an Idaho bluebird sky and watch the flash of bicycle helmets and honestly say this facility won't change the character of this neighborhood. No one can say it won't harm us. Consider the rats. Six days ago, the applicant withdrew the request for an unenclosed dumpster and gave you a 12 by 12 foot placeholder instead. And that may satisfy a zoning dimension, but it doesn't answer the standard, will this cause harm? An enclosure alone does not keep rats out. Federal guidance says a rat can get through a gap of just half an inch and calls for reinforced walls and a sealed lid. This plan specifies none of that. No material, no height, no lid. And with food and nesting materials, one pair of rats can produce thousands in a year. You may say that rat abatement is the responsibility of the site manager, not yours. But ask yourself, is this site likely to succeed where the city as a whole has failed? Council Member Merrill has spoken about the hazard of rats, and Representative Gannon at this month's regional rat abatement meeting called the cost of private rat abatement close to an additional tax on families who didn't cause the problem. Is this harm? Now consider the fire tower. We're told the valley's east to west winds will theoretically carry the smoke away from our homes, but cooling air also sinks and drains downhill on sloped terrain, potentially towards our homes, not away from them. The tower is at the highest point on the property, while the property line facing the road and the homes sits well below it. Their own drainage plan shows the water running downhill along that same slope. Cold air drains the same direction as water. Two theories, neither formally tested on this site. And it's the applicant's burden to prove what actually happens here before you vote. So I ask you, can you honestly find that this project meets Section 8732? That it won't be hazardous to neighbors? That it will leave us free from excessive smoke and odor? That it won't change the character of our neighborhood? If you cannot make that based on data, not assurances, then please deny these waivers and send them back to the drawing board. That's the public trust you began tonight with. Thank you.

Thank you. Sheree Simmon. Sheree Simmon. Maybe it was the applause that drowned me out. You haven't heard me sing yet.

Simon, 10374 Prairie Road, Boise, Idaho. Dear Mayor and council members, please accept this letter as my formal written testimony opposing the requested conditional use of... You speak into the...

I'm sorry, get the mic near you. Sorry, there you go.

Sorry. Please accept this letter as my formal written testimony opposing the requested conditional use permit, CUP 202613, for the proposed joint fire training and public works facility. My residential property, directly adjoins the seven-acre project site, and my property sits just 150 feet from the proposed development boundary. Forcing two distinct heavy-use industrial entities onto a single parcel next to an established neighborhood multiplies the environmental footprint of noise, light, dust, and visual blight. i request this letter be entered into the permanent public record for tonight's hearing and i urge the council to not deny or table the application based on the following issues unprecedented unpredictable noise footprint combining a multi-bay public works maintenance yard with a fire training ground exposes our neighborhood to frequent noise impacts this includes high impact shop noises training disruptions shattering glass hydraulic saws and vehicle extractions and continuous traffic noise vehicle backup alarms and heavy diesel idling because these elements occur at random times and unpredictable durations neighboring families cannot escape or plan around them these operations are permitted from 8 o'clock a.m to 10 o'clock p.m seven days a week um also it seems that the record and design discrepancies that i've noticed some of them have been addressed but on my property line 150 feet from where my property line is there's the 11 50 foot cement pads and one of them shows extrication though I was told it's not going to go there, it's going to go somewhere else. But it seems like some of the information is just kind of not clear exactly what to expect on the design and where things are going to be. the fire chief says that some of it's going to be a lot of it's going to be over by the training tower not closer to where um are my property lines at but um i i don't know because i can't tell what that that what what um the arc the design doesn't seem to be compatible with what is being said so um and also um inadequate mitigation and future mission creep A standard seven foot berm and residential fence is mathematically and physically incapable of blocking the compound industrial and emergency noise generated 150 feet away. So I'm just asking that we not have to bear the operational and environmental burdens of a dual agency industrial yard. Thank you for your time and consideration.

You can give that to the clerk, but also this is recorded, so what you're saying is recorded in testimony as well, so it's recorded. But you can do both, so all right, thank you. All right. All right, I usually do this if I see couples. I'm assuming Aaron Volger and Liz Volger are a couple? Okay, I was just gonna say you could come up together if you were together. Yeah, okay.

Mr. Mayor, members of the council, my name is Liz Volger and I live at 10455 West Prairie Road in Boise. I am a remarried fire widow and I support the fire department, just I do not support this facility at this location. I'm here tonight because Eagle City Code Section 8732 explicitly mandates that a conditional use permit will not involve uses, activities, processes, materials, equipment, and conditions of operation that will be detrimental to any person, property, or general welfare by reason of excessive production of traffic, noise, smoke, fumes, glares, or odors. I quote this specific section because ordinances are not mere suggestions. They are binding promises that the city makes to its residents to preserve our safety, our property values, and our daily quality of life. The proposal before you today directly threatens those protections. By its very nature, a conditional use requires a higher standard of scrutiny. The burden of proof rests entirely on the applicant to prove that the project will not disrupt the neighborhood. They failed to meet that burden. They have themselves stated that there will be noise from idling engines and tools, smoke, odors. If approved, this project will introduce an unacceptable influx of vehicles onto roads and specifically across pedestrian pathways, creating serious safety hazards for local families, kids who lack situational awareness. cyclists, and pedestrians. This will also permanently alter the peaceful character of our community and the park itself. Standards also state that the project will not result in destruction, loss, or damage of our natural open space. I submit that we are losing open space. What you might call an empty lot, I call scenic open space adjacent to a well used park. For years, the council has campaigned on the promise that preserving open space, trails, and recreation are important. Mayor Pike has championed the Eagle Connected Initiative to protect and unify our pathways and trails. Yet this proposal exposes a glaring, hypocritical, institutional double standard. The City of Eagle and regional tourism bodies heavily promote this very bike park in community guides, marketing brochures, and long range planning documents. to boast about our world-class amenities and premium quality of life. You cannot capitalize on the park's prestigious reputation for public relations and economic development on one hand, while treating its physical footprint as expendable, cheap, average acreage on the other. If a developer suggested bulldozing a piece of public park to put up a commercial vehicle maintenance shop with numerous design waivers, which is exactly what this facility looks like, this council will deny it without hesitation. Public entities are not above the law. They must be held to the same strict zoning constraints, civic respect, and architectural integrity expected of private citizens and developers. Granting these waivers compromises the integrity of our codes. I urge you to respect the law, respect the land's history, and honor your promise to our community. Please protect the parks and trails, uphold your zoning integrity, and vote no. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, Tom Ellison.

Tom Ellison, 1355 North Trail Creek Way in Eagle. I'm a resident in the Echo Creek subdivision. First, I would like to start this off a little differently, giving some thanks and kudos to the design team for the excellent efforts that they made in taking some of the previous public comments to heart and making the modifications in the September 9th plan. There was a lot of improvement over the earlier version. also to Chief Lewis and the Eagle Fire District for their efforts to encourage understanding of the uses and activities projected for the fire training. But that said, yeah, there's one glaring oversight in this proposal that needs to be addressed, and that is the application itself. the applicants performed an impressive bit of legal sophistry in charactering what had been correctly labeled a public service facility, which would have required a conditional use permit, and instead calling it a government office and emergency services facility, which puts it in the realm of permitted uses not requiring conditional use permits. This kind of brings to mind the old proverb about... putting lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig. And unfortunately, changing the classification doesn't make these uses any less industrial. And they remain just as incompatible with the surrounding park and public neighborhoods that they're being inserted into. Neither I nor anybody else can state with authority whether the fire training center is or is not an emergency services facility. That's a pretty nebulous sort of thing to define. However, just about anybody can tell the difference between a government office with incidental parking and a city corporation yard or city public works maintenance facility. where vehicle parking, maintenance, and open storage are the dominant uses. Now, I had a plan beat you with code section 8-7-3-2 which so far everybody else has done as well but so i won't repeat all of those but it raises all of those raise very reasonable and legitimate questions that should be answered before approving a project like this. The fact that the applicant resorted to bureaucratic trickery to evade these questions is reason enough to be skeptical. So with that, I leave it in your hands. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, Tanya Jekwo.

Hi, I'm Tanya Jaco. I'm at 392 East Knoll Drive in Eagle. One of the primary reasons we chose to purchase a home in Eagle is because of its proximity to the Eagle Bike Park. The bike park offers a place within riding distance where our family can exercise, improve our mountain bike skills, and spend time with like-minded friends. We spend several days per week at the bike park. We cross 55 and ride down Floating Feather where we have to navigate the confusing single stop sign and yield intersection crossing Horseshoe Bend Road without a crosswalk. I never feel safe there and more traffic from this facility will only raise our bodily risk. Traffic studies and possibly intersection improvements need to be made before approval. We need facts, not empty assurances. Also, as a coach for the 77 student athletes on the Eagle High School mountain bike team, I oppose this facility because it introduces an unpredictable health danger. We all live with smoke in the summer and are forced to cancel team practices because of the health dangers it poses, which include cardiovascular damage and respiratory impairment. That smoke is something we have no control over. However, we do have control over whether or not we introduce new smoke into the atmosphere at Eagle Bike Park. Despite assurances that the burn tower will only be used on certain days and it will not affect recreational park users or neighbors, nature is unpredictable. I do not believe this can be as easily controlled as we are being told. Notifying neighbors when there will be a burn doesn't take into account that recreational users who don't live next door are still there exercising hard and breathing hard. My understanding is that approval for this facility is being rushed through due to budget deadlines for the year. This is a decision that stands to affect a lot of people, homeowners who live right next door or across the street from the park, and all the people who recreate at the park, whether they're hiking or biking on the trails, racing BMX, enjoying the remote control racetrack, frequenters of the dog park, or the ladies who practice roller derby. This decision also impacts the character of the city of Eagle by forcing a square peg into a round hole, putting a clearly industrial building into an outdoor recreation area that was originally planned for only recreational use. The proposed facility would be located front and center at the bike park. It's not tucked away out of sight by any means. It would not be built on a vacant lot. It would be built on wild land, displacing a trail we use, native plants, and the creatures that live on it. It shrinks our precious outdoor space that we would never get back. It has the potential to jeopardize our health and safety. Please do not approve this project. Thank you.

All right, Jeff Connor.

Thanks, and with respect to time, I'll say I just support everyone else.

I do have a... Can you name an address, though, for the record? Oh, sorry. Yeah, that's all right.

Yeah, Jeff Connor, 10976 Cul-de-Sac Way, Boise, Idaho. So, like I said, with respect to time, I'll just be brief. I do support the previous comments and a lot of the comments. Let's see. are what i had prepared but i just want to say in the in the 1990s and 2000s the city of eagle city leaders they had they had the vision to establish building standards and to well building standards to ensure eagle was a safe and vibrant community and we've all benefited from that More importantly, they followed those standards and as such, it is important that the City of Eagle follow the precedent that was set by the previous leaders so the community continues to be safe and vibrant. So I'm requesting that the council follow the previous leaders and reject the waivers I truly appreciate the vision of the previous city leaders and appreciate the opportunity to comment. Thank you.

Okay, thank you. Davis Steiner.

Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen of the council and staff. My name is David Steiner, 1945 North Eagle Creek Way, Eagle, Idaho, 83616. I'm a resident of the Echo Creek Housing Development adjacent to the Eagle Bike Park. From my doorway to the entrance of the bike park is approximately one-half kilometer. And that half kilometer is part of my daily run on our beautiful trails. I have the Strava activities to prove it. I'm here to speak out against the building of what is essentially an office building, a connex box, and a motor pool. um on our eagle bike park at all hours of the day hikers bikers and runners are up in the trails in the park using the land for its intended purpose not 200 meters from the proposed building site is a bmx bike racetrack that holds events very frequently i believe that in addition to this proposed fire that the addition of this proposed fire training center would butcher the park's natural beauty and take away from the happiness the park brings to our community. I consider the foothills to be the last bastion of nature in our city, and it sets us apart from urban landscapes like Meridian and Boise. I can't come to complain and not have a workaround. So here it is. There's a plot of land over on Beacon Light by the Chevron that has been for sale for quite some time. We could consider that to be a location for it, if not some other industrial area, as previously stated. Alternatively, there could be some interdepartmental collaboration. As the chief said already, they do that, where Eagle Fire can use different departments' facilities. In a time where public lands are under attack by big corporations and big data, I don't think that the idea of a project that seeks to use our public recreation land for activities other than that is inappropriate for our city. To my fellow mustaches in the back, you guys are awesome. This isn't an attack against you. You know, cops need heroes too. That's what you guys are for. And as a former infantry marine, I understand the need for readiness and a specific standard for your forces. I just ask that maybe we shift focus. You, the mayor, and the council can all come together and find a new area for your training grounds that doesn't take away from our public lands. That's all I got. Thank you. I yield to you.

Well, first of all, simplify. Yeah. And then thank you for your service. All right. Art and Sally come up together. Is it a voucher? It looked,

My last name is Bo Shane, the first name is Arthur. Excuse me, I reside at 1453 North Eagle Creek Way, so I'm in a close vicinity to this proposed fire training center, but if it's okay with the council and the mayor, I'd like to go a little bit deeper on the environmental issue here. I know it's been touched upon, but I don't think it's gone deep enough. So I wanted to find out what would it be like to live next to a fire training center? So this is what I have come up with here. And anyone has experience living next to a fire training center? And this is what we can expect. First of all, environmental and water contamination. PFAS chemicals. Many fire training facilities historically used what's called film foaming foam to put out liquid fuel fires. These forever chemicals, PFAS, can seep into local soil and contaminate nearby groundwater and drinking water wells. I don't know how many water wells that we have up there in Eagle up in the foothills, but I do suspect there are some. Runoff. Water used during drills or fire drills can wash heavy metals, soot, chemical residue into local storm drains, surface waters, or neighboring properties, of which I am one. Air quality and smoke exposure. Toxic smoke. Live burn drills, burn materials. Now, here we go. Wood pellets, straw, my goodness, and engineered wood such as OSB, which release volatile organic compounds, carbon monoxide, and fine particle matter. Then there's nuisance odors. Depending on wind direction and the frequency of burns, neighbors may experience frequent smoke, plumes, chemical odors, and reduced local air quality. Then we have noise in neighborhood disruption. Sirens and alarms, emergency vehicles arriving or participating in these drills frequently test or use loud air horn sirens or backup beeps. And then heavy equipment, noise, shouting, general on-site activity during regular or after-hour trainings can disrupt work, outdoor recreation, and sleep. So you want to ask yourself, would you like to live next door to one of these facilities of which you gentlemen probably, or ladies, don't even live close to this area. So I thank you for your consideration and listening to what I have to say.

Thank you. All right, was Sally going to speak or no? Okay, Lynn Hightower?

Hello, Mayor and Council. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Lynn Hightower, and I live at 11145 Cul-de-Sac Way, and I have lived in the Sage Acres area for 20— Sorry, what city? It's Sage Acres Subdivision. I believe it is unincorporated Ada County.

Yeah, you're in Ada County. Okay, thank you. Yeah, go ahead.

Yes. We're in Ada County. I have lived there across the street from the city of Eagle for 28 years. And Ms. Merrill, I worked out with your son when his first gym was back at the egg farm. So that's going back a ways. If these facilities are approved, which it sounds like from your own public comments previously, they likely will be. I request that you deny the gravel parking waiver. Gravel parking will create dust and noise in addition to smoke. Please require paved parking throughout the facility. Please deny the decorative fencing only on the side adjacent to the homes. Cyclists and walkers and joggers frequently use these facilities from the hillside. They can see it all from there, so please require solid fencing around the entire facility and concealing garbage and debris and building materials. Regarding the metal siding, I am testifying in favor of that waiver, particularly as it would help protect the facility in the area that has been identified as one of severe fire threat. In your own press release in June, The bright red area is the area where this facility is to go, and you call it a severe fire threat area. In the time that we've lived in the Sage Acres area, we've prepared to evacuate twice, in 2007 and 2021. And I want to thank the Eagle Fire Department for both times, no question. They are a professional, responsive, and highly trained department. When the City of Boise was planning for its fire training facility, it was concerned about homes being in the line of sight of their facility. Since this training facility is literally in the residents' backyards, and knowing that the center, in the Chief's own words at the PNZ meeting last month, is not without risk, and Councilmember, you yourself asked, what if something failed? And Councilmember, you yourself said no one understands the needs of emergency responder training. The day we had to evacuate in 2007, I was the PIO for the Boise Fire Department. My husband is the retired captain of the Boise Fire Technical Rescue Team, and I spent 15 years with law enforcement. I have some idea of the needs of training facilities for emergency responders. Great facility, wrong location. In this valley, we have experience with city employees accidentally starting what become dangerous and devastating wildfires in our foothills. And if you're not familiar with those experiences, I'd be happy to answer your questions because one of them included your own fire department in this exact area. Regarding shipping containers, I'd also request regular inspections of those containers to check for damage or wear that could compromise the container's integrity. Storing flammable materials in a way that maintains clear space to prevent rapid fire spreading. And in the fire department document that the chief put together and distributed last night, air quality reports, smoke management, and other training needs. I would like to actually request a couple of notes, Chief, and I'll be happy to send them to you. For example, they would be anticipated annual fire training. There's a lot of mays in here. They may go more than 50 days. I would like to request that they shall be limited to 50 days, that they may do spot air quality monitoring. They will do air quality monitoring. that they will do fire training between 6 a.m. and 6 p.m., but they may go till 10 p.m. We have a granddaughter who regularly sleeps with us, even on school nights. We put her to bed well before 10 p.m., and there are many small children in this neighborhood. I would request that they are only allowed to train until 6 p.m., and any late-night training could go to the Boise Fire Facility. They are out of service already when they're in training. There's several other things here that I would actually like to add to this, Chief, and if you don't mind, with your permission, I'll send you my further notes. And finally, Mayor, I know you have your State of the City coming up on Monday, and I don't want to make you rewrite it or anything, but when you announce, if this gets approved, that this is a great step forward for the city, please include that it was over the vehement objections of all the people who use the foothills, the sports park, and live right next to it. and let people know that we feel we are sacrificing our neighborhood for theirs. And please include that you and the council will work on a sustained structure for funding and planning for city maintenance and facilities so that no other neighborhood has to go through this again. We know we're here because you're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole and it doesn't fit. There's a reason these facilities are not in residential areas. We can do better. Eagle can do better. Eagle has done better. Thank you for the opportunity.

Thank you for your comments. All right. Teresa Rager. I'm sorry. It's Teresa Y-R-A-G something. Okay. Okay. I just couldn't make out the letters after the G. Sorry.

Teresa Urege, 1462 North Echo Creek Place, Eagle. I, too, live in Echo Creek Sub. One of the things that a lot of testimony anticipates is that people are driving into the park. I walk. Lots of people walk. Children walk. Already, government hasn't cared about us because we have no crosswalks. None. We stand at the stop sign. Trucks will be at that stop sign and look at oncoming traffic, and I'm right there, and then proceed without noticing me. I called about that when the park was built and was told that it was not an issue. Um, so I feel again that my neighborhood and the children that live in my neighborhood are not an issue. The council has already decided to do this and it's wrong. It's industrial in our neighborhood. It does not belong. Children are walking, children are riding their bikes. This is crazy. And I know that you're frustrated and you've been looking for a facility for a long time and this seemed like the answer. It's the wrong answer. Thank you.

Thank you. All right. Patrick Thomas.

Patrick Thomas, 256 North Wooddale Avenue, Eagle, Idaho. I think a lot of people said a lot of great things tonight, and I think the, I'll dig into something a little bit different, okay? Start with this, Murphy's Law, right? What can go wrong will go wrong. I could sit here and run down why this is a terrible idea. The most honest thing I heard tonight was the police chief used the word should. This should be good, Trust the experts. Have we heard that before? I don't know. I have. I think we've all learned a little bit something about that. But the other thing I noticed tonight is we had a developer here earlier fighting for their life to get an extension. What I think is really interesting, and I think something I took away from this is, and I'm just freestyling at this point, because everybody said, every piece of code, every reason, the people do not want this. How is the government finding a way to give the government the public's land and then tell the public they should be thankful because of the fearmongering that I've heard tonight? Well, we don't have enough. We got a lot of traffic accidents. People could die if we don't get this facility. No one's saying they don't want it. No one's saying we can't have it. Just put it in the right place. This is Eagle, Idaho. We have an opportunity to make it beautiful and valuable, not just... throw, hey, this would be a really cool spot for us to have a facility. Let's do it. I don't know of any developer that would come to you guys and be given this amount of waivers. And what's disheartening is if I sit here and I watch this get passed, I mean, I've been in a lot of timeshare presentations. I've seen a lot of canned questions designed for canned answers to obfuscate from the real issue. The amount of fear that we're, the boogeyman, we heard about the boogeyman tonight. If we don't get this facility and they gotta go to Boise, oh my God, we don't have enough people here. Get another fire engine and use the tax dollars that way. But don't take away from what the public wants to give to the government, our land. We use this, this is a special place. There's a lot of, I mean, you guys have no idea, I'm a big mountain biker, I'm a big dumb idiot. I mean, you probably think of that right now. But here's the deal. There's forums that talk about the Eagle Bike Park all over the country, all over the world. It's a special place. Families go there. I live near there. People move to the area because of it. And the government's just gonna say, I mean, what is the upside you've presented other than the hypothetical boogeyman? Everybody's mentioned here all the downsides. The upsides from the fire chief, It hasn't even been about the issue. It's been about, well, the rails are this high, and technically, the smoke, we can kind of predict that there'll never be smoke that blows over someone's yard. Come on. That's not reality. So at the end of the day, I hope, That I'm not sitting here watching a council and a mayor that's already made a decision that has nothing to do with the people and everything to do with just government handing government a win. You wouldn't do it for a private developer. Why? Why is this happening?

Thank you. Thank you.

All right, Krista Rogerson.

Good evening, Mayor and City Council. I'm Krista Rogerson. I live at 1400 North Trail Creek Way, Eagle. I'm a property owner in Echo Creek neighborhood. Our home is about 250 feet from the proposed entrance to the Eagle maintenance and fire training facility. I'm here to advocate for my family, neighbors, all the kids. of the people who will live with the consequences of this facility I respectfully request that City Council you deny the conditional use permit as it is currently proposed when a project requires this many exemptions to normal city standards I believe that the city should carefully evaluate whether this location is appropriate my concerns are for the health and safety impacts of living near a burn tower of any size or capacity Before approving these waivers, City Council should require site-specific information directly from burn tower operators to understand the full scope of what will take place before making an informed decision. Before approval, I ask that the following criteria become part of record to ensure the health of EGLE residents. The frequency and duration. And this needs to be absolute. Will fire training be restricted to protect the quality of life for nearby residents? Will police departments be training here as well using CS gas and flash bang devices? Will the council receive a documented burn policy identifying approved materials and how will fire departments be held accountable for that compliance? Has the city evaluated prevailing wind patterns at this specific location and how smoke dispersion will affect us in the surrounding homes? Does the council understand the noise pollution associated, including cutting up cars, use of chainsaws, sawzalls, and verbally shouted commands? Water, where does all the contaminated water, ash, and debris go? How will we ensure burned materials do not unintentionally start a fire, much like the incident at the Mid-Star burn facility last year, when an accidental fire caused significant damage to surrounding fences and property? the neighborhood system the alert system the only safeguard what exactly does that look like during those times are we supposed to keep all those kids inside for that hour those five hours whatever it's going to be what exact system will be in place to report smoke noise and disruptions and who will be responsible for responding to those complaints I ask that the City Council table this final decision until these site-specific impacts are fully evaluated. If that's not possible, please deny the proposal and requested waivers needed at this location and consider a site removed from residential and high-use public park areas. I trust that you all will not make a final decision until the health and safety of EGLE residents are prioritized. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, Jane Rowling.

Jane Rowling, 582 North Palmetto Lane in Eagle. And I really appreciate everything I've heard here tonight. I'm a pretty late comer to this particular issue. I hadn't even been paying attention to it until fairly recently. But my first thinking when I heard about it was, that is exactly that is entirely the wrong spot for this facility i think a facility that's this sort of industrial in nature belongs as others have said in an industrial area not adjacent to a beautiful park that's well loved by people in eagle that has attracted people to buy property nearby to live specifically to live near that park. I was actually encouraged After I read what was on the agenda for tonight about the things that were being requested as waivers, I was encouraged by the presentation that some of those things have changed for the better. That still doesn't make this the right place for this facility. I mean, I think some of the landscaping and everything is important. but it's still an industrial facility next to a beautiful natural semi-natural park um and i still would worry about the fire issues and the smoke issues you know we have the lowest air quality in the country at times here in Eagle and in this valley and I know that has to be done somewhere but not right next to the Spice Park and not right next to residential areas I think if it's put in a different location where it's not surrounded by residential areas, and those areas are probably going to grow later, at least the people and developers and people who move there or buy property will know it's there. They won't be... find it next door to them all of a sudden. And I'm running out of time, so I have to say something about rats. You know that. I'm very concerned about that.

You're testifying for this specific thing.

Well, this is about that.

As long as it's connected to it, that's worthy. It is.

I'm worried about the trash disposal there. And the rest of the facilities, if you're gonna have trash there, it needs to be really enclosed and really kept tightly, kept rat-proof. It's right by neighborhoods that already have rat issues that have been working very hard to get them under control. It's next to the foothills. It's next to plenty of places where rats might be and any kind of idea that involves trash especially with dead animals and things like that needs to be really tightly contained and even the facilities the office building everything is going to invite more rats to the area and this is also an area adjacent to a lot of wildlife and raptor use I was at the bike park one day it just pulled in and Red-tailed hawk Cooper's hawk being chased by a red-tailed hawk Swooped down right in front of my car. I mean just feet away the red tail hit the Cooper's hawk which had a rodent in its mouth and In its beak and and it was just amazing but you look at that landscape around there that is hawk and landscape um most facilities like what you're proposing would end up using poison bait stations to control rodents and that might be the only practical way to to keep rats under control in that type of facility but we already it's it's known that rats and rodenticides are killing raptors everywhere.

I don't want to cut you off, but I gave you an extra 30 seconds, so wrap up your sentence for me.

One other real quick thing is about light pollution. That is a dark area, beautiful night skies. I love being at the dog park at sunset. This is going to have bright lights, I presume. for security reasons all around that maintenance facility that are totally out of place in that location. And it'd be like putting a big box store right in the middle of that neighborhood. So I feel for the people that are here and who live nearby and I really am impressed with all of the reasons they gave for being opposed to this.

All right, Karen Headings.

Good evening.

city council and mr mayor my name is karen headings i live at 2587 east aspenwood court in eagle idaho and like tanya i am also a coach on the eagle high school mountain bike team and i have been for six years i was at the first hearing for this issue and did not have a prepared speech at that time i spoke from my heart and mind This time I have a few thoughts written down. No matter what is shared at the meeting tonight, I don't believe that we will prevent the training center from being built. This will change the bike park forever and not in a manner that benefits those who use it in the true manner it should be utilized to ride bikes, hike, and enjoy the natural beauty it has to offer. Although we are residents of Eagle, I do not believe we have a voice in what will happen at Eagle Bike Park. In this case, budget and money are more relevant and our health and happiness hold no agency, only adding insult to injury. These hearings feel more of like an obligation that allows for a box to be checked off and papers to be signed. Therefore, I question why I even bothered to show up and speak my thoughts. Please have no doubt that I do fully support the fire training center, but I do not want it to be built at Eagle Bike Park. My daughter is in her final year of the fire program at Renaissance High School, but she is also racing varsity for Eagle High School and utilizes the park as part of her training program, and she rides to the park by herself across I-55. When she arrives at the park, she texts us to let us know that she arrived safely. She has a 14-year-old sister that does the same. I am very concerned that adding the training center will introduce even more risk into the equation for pedestrian traffic and bicycle riders heading to our beloved park. My speech will surely be forgotten soon after this meeting, but I won't forget that I showed up to speak for my family, my mountain bike team, and for the community of Eagle and others who enjoy all that the park has to offer. Whatever the outcome, the cost of the training center extends beyond the money paid to have it built. The price paid is the heartbreak of the residents of the City of Eagle in perpetuity. Thank you.

All right, that was the last of the people that signed up. Anybody change their mind? They wanted to come and speak? All right, if you signed up, you had to say yes to testify, but that's why I asked for at the end. So you're willing to come up now. Yeah, come on up. Yeah. I just go down the list and see if you checked yes to testify or yeah, no. So that's why I got you going now. Oh, me too. Yeah.

Thank you very much for allowing me to speak. I live in the north. What's your name real quick? Oh, I'm sorry, Rick Hirsch, H-I-R-S-C-H, and I live at 1017 North Elk River Way. and that's in Eagle. That's the northeast part of Eagle, about three blocks off of Salishan and Floating Feather from the 55 and Floating Feather. And I want to first say that I support greatly the fire department. The job that they do is unbelievable. I would... I don't have the courage to do that, what you guys do. All right? They need a training center. And they need a good training center. But my question is, in light of all of the other stuff that's going on right there with 55 and Floating Feather, the possible Costco, 7,000 cars a day more, what The lack of safety around there. With the, I forgot to mention last time, the Seven Oaks Elementary School, which is two blocks off of Floating Feather, two blocks away from 55. Where that will be. This is all together. We shouldn't consider these, I believe, in isolation. Because we're talking about life and living in Eagle. And my question is, What have we done to make the determination that there is no other place in the city of Eagle or where Eagle holds property that this training facility, this maintenance facility, cannot be located other than here? It's crazy. There was a, I saw last night, real quickly, I saw a video on YouTube, of course, prepared by a real estate agent who's put out a number of them. She's pretty good, very honest. And she was talking about the downsides, giving notice to buyers of the downsides of certain locations in the Treasure Valley. One of the top ones was Highway 55 north of Hill. And she specifically said that approximately 7,000 people daily are going to be around there. And you put all this, sorry, mishigas going on with the fire department and the training helicopters? You've got to be kidding me. this eagle so i'm hoping mayor that if you you're making an address about the state of the city that with respect to this issue that you might you might consider saying that a fire department training center is under serious consideration not that it's a fait accompli and last thing in closing what are we willing to do to keep eagle eagle Or should we just be called Meridian Garden City adjacent? Or how about Boise District number? You picked the number. Boise District number four, like Hunger Games. Anyways, thank you for your consideration.

Real quick, I haven't asked the rest of the people because I didn't understand what you said. about helicopters, did you say the fire department's having helicopters? There's no helicopters.

Oh, there's not gonna be a landing pad? No, no.

Okay, I am sorry. I thought I was trying to figure out what you said about it, so okay, thank you though.

I was much better when I was younger. All right, thank you. Thanks a lot.

All right, anybody else that changed their mind? All right, let's go with the guy in the back. You raised your hand first, and then the lady in front of you, and then you over here.

Good evening, Mayor and Council. My name is Don Fry. I live at 11145 Colesac Way, Ada County, Incorporated. I just wanted to say I agree with everybody saying great facility, wrong location. But I did specifically wanna come up and address two things the chief said that are, excuse me, chief, but inaccurate. Number one, he cannot guarantee, like he said, that the smoke won't leave the two and a half acre circumference of the circle. Remember back in the day when they used to smoke on airplanes and somebody in the back would smoke and, oh, don't worry, it won't go past aisle 12. Can't guarantee that. not too concerned about it but that's that's it sounds like he's saying something that he wants you to hear or more importantly that he wants us to believe as residents number two is when he says when the chief says that we're gonna keep people in service because when we go train in Boise, at Boise's facility, that they're out of service. Well, I guarantee you that engine 42 goes to train, do a fire burn, and there's a couple other engines with them. The first in crew, first thing they're gonna do is they dispatch engine 42 is out of service, or engine 43, we're out of service, or delayed service, or delayed response. there will always be an engine at a burn going out of service. Because when you strip off a couple hundred feet of five inch hose and 300 feet of inch and three quarter hose, that engine is out of service. They can get back in service real quick if there's a fire somewhere else in town, They may just cut and run, drop the hose, and use something else that they have in storage. So I believe he was saying something that they just wanted you to hear and something that the residents want to hear. There is always going to be an engine that goes out of service. I just know this from my 28 years as a Boise firefighter, retired engine 10 captain. So what he said, I think what he means, excuse me, I know I'm putting words in your mouth, possibly here. What he means is that it's great and best to train in your own city. I agree 100%. But there's always going to be an engine go out of service. At the very least, they're going to have a very delayed response. So I thought that was important enough for everybody to hear because the whole truth matters. So great facility, wrong location, a little bit of inaccurate information. If you have any questions for me later now, please ask.

Thank you. Thank you, Don. All right. The lady, yeah, there you go.

Hi, good evening. I didn't originally intend to speak, but after listening to all the testimony, I felt that there was a little bit missing, and I hope that you will take this in consideration.

I will when you give your name and address.

Jan Males, 1379 North Prestwick Way, Lexington Hills. First of all, I'm so supportive of a fire training facility. I live very close to Station 2. I'm extremely supportive of those guys. The contaminated water is an issue, foam, chemicals, et cetera. But I would like to focus on the smoke. During the testimony, I looked at a couple of apps that I maintain on my phone, which is Wendy and the fire app. The current wind direction is southbound into the neighborhoods. No member of the city council lives in the residential areas that will be significantly impacted by this. I would like to focus on the smoke. And as a retired first responder, I am familiar with and have been exposed to the carcinogens that all firefighters are exposed to in the line of duty. Cancer-causing carcinogens. So much so that there are established procedures for turnouts on site so many firefighters don't have to take those home or don't have to be exposed to them. In fact, many departments have cleaning stations or someone that will take their turnouts out and sanitize them. Their residents will be exposed to this smoke. It doesn't matter how much or how little they'll be exposed to it. Mayor Pike being a former firefighter, I'm surprised that this does not, that you don't take this into consideration and this doesn't hurt your heart for what these residents will be exposed to. I hope all of you truly listened to all of the testimony here as I did. and I hope that this is not a done deal. I hope that you will truly take that into consideration, everything. I didn't intend to speak, and I was actually part of the people who would like to approve this training facility because I want it for the guys. If you do not deny this, then you are not taking your constituents lives and opinions, the ones that live in this area, into consideration. And I think that that would be detrimental. Thank you.

Thank you.

Hello. My name is Michael Santa Cruz. I live at 928 Argyle Drive in Boise. I wanted to come up here to give my support to all the testimony that's been given before me. But I'm disheartened by an aspect of it. And that's the sentiment raised by several that they feel that this is a foregone conclusion, that you've already decided this matter. What that means is that there's a loss of trust. There's a loss of trust that this council is putting the needs of its constituents before its own. And I urge you to take this opportunity, to seize this opportunity, to reinvigorate that trust, to not make a quick judgment out of convenience on a plan that has not been fully vetted.

Thank you. Thank you.

Mayor, Council, my name's Rod Blackstead, 11760 West Executive, Boise, Idaho. Also, I come out of retirement after building a couple thousand homes and several hundred lots in the valley and finished a little infill lot for my kids at the corner of Floating Feather and Ocean Bend. I actually was the developer of the Floating Feather Airport and then I sold that off. But anyway, I had this leftover lot. I built the home. So I have the closest home to the property. And my kids are living there. But having said that, again, as I stated at the planning and zoning meeting, the city has done a great job developing a great city. And so when I hear these comments about request to not follow the building plans and the ordinances you have to build the nice facilities, I kind of shake my head, with one exception. One of the waivers that I would suggest, if you do move forward on approving this project, would be with, in reference to the berming, there's a height restriction on berming, this site on the old highway, elevates to the east. I didn't survey it, but I'm assuming at least 10 feet. If not, it continues on where the tower would go. My thought as a developer and land planner and just trying to be a good neighbor, I'd cut that site down 10 feet. Maybe more. I'd move all that dirt to the south. I'd berm that south line 40 feet of dirt. I'd make it undulating and blend into the foothills so it looks natural, and I'd plant it natural. The berm they're suggesting, although it looks great, it won't look great. It looks great in the drawing, but in actuality, it's nothing. It's a little mound of dirt with a fence behind it with some most likely small trees that will take years to grow. A substantial berm that looks natural would look a lot better. It would definitely reduce vision. It would lower the tower. It would reduce noise, visibility for everybody that's at least on that side of the project. So that would be one suggestion I'd ask you to consider if you do approve this. For the record, I understand building and developing. The city owns the property. I get that. I get you have the rights to develop your buildings and stuff. What I don't understand is At Planning and Zoning, they were recommended to go back to staff and figure out why the city and the fire department are partnering. Why? Why does the city have to provide land to the fire department? They were asked to look into that and break that up. When they came back to the next meeting, we couldn't comment, and there wasn't one word said about that. They talked about a trash receptacle and a fence and just silly stuff. why is the city needing to provide land to the fire department?

We'll address that tonight for you.

Pardon?

We will address that tonight for you. I will address it.

Okay, thank you very much. Any questions for me? Okay, thank you.

All right, thank you. All right. Seeing nobody else. I'm going to close the public testimony part and have the rebuttal come back up from Chief Lewis, Daniel, and potentially Eric. I want to just get you on deck here just in case. All right.

Mr. Mayor, as you begin the process of rebuttal here, I just want to sometimes these public hearings get some momentum here and they keep going and it's going fantastic. But if you would possibly entertain a short recess, just kind of go use the restroom and kind of reset before we get into rebuttal. That would be great, but if not, we'll continue on.

No, if the need for a recess is warranted, let's take a five-minute break. All right, if we could everybody take their seat. We're going to get this thing moving forward again. If you want to talk, please talk outside in the lobby, but we're going to continue the meeting, please.

right thank you we're going to move back into the rebuttal from the fire chief and our planning and zoning director yes sir um yeah just uh so my role here would be to just kind of direct uh tps are on here um i'll talk before they come up here but uh One about through the discussion that has been had tonight, all the good dialogue that we've heard and all the things that will be considered by the council from a land use perspective through planning and zoning and the actions that staff is looking for regarding the application before you tonight. One is that the use is allowed in the zone for what it's, is here and the progression from the commission to the council hearing, uh, what the clerical air was discovered, as I stated before, that had this previously noted as a public service facility that was discovered after the commission hearing and prior to the approval that was made through that process. Um, which states that his historically and prior applications will show that fires department, police service, emergency services applications have been processed as emergency services facilities and not as public service facilities. So that was a discrepancy that went to the commission initially and then was rectified prior to the decision being made by the commission and now on the council. Furthermore, the transfer of the land to the city at the time was, PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC, AS WAS NOTED WITHIN THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, THESE USES, GOVERNMENT BUILDING AND OFFICES AND EMERGENCY SERVICES WERE COMPLETED AT THAT TIME. THOSE USES ARE STILL PERMITTED, STILL ALLOWED IN THE ZONE. AS A RESULT, THE USE OR THE NECESSITY TO SUBSTANTIATE THE RATIONALE FOR PUTTING THIS FACILITY HERE IS NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION. THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS ABOUT THE WAIVERS that were described and there are a handful of them that are still up for, uh, needing council debate as well as anything else that council deems to be appropriate. The ones that were left off left to be resolved here are aesthetic largely or function. It is metal siding, the use of shipping containers, the height waiver, the landscape screening at the trash enclosure, the gravel parking and the street trees. Those are the items that are contemplated through this application. Additionally, as for every conditional use permit application, the city council has the ability to enact additional requirements if they deem it necessary. If you're not comfortable with a component of the application of the use, be it lighting, be it hours, be it noise trespass, number of trainings, things of that nature, those are up for discussion as well as the city council determines. As I stated earlier, some of those items I don't have the answers for, but Public Works and Eagle Fire, who are here and can provide additional rebuttal, can provide information on lighting. I do know that the lighting associated with this project is on the building, and they're facing towards the east. With that, the real concern is the amount of light trespass, if any, that would go beyond the property line. The facility is about 250 feet to the east, and as the gentleman mentioned, about 15 feet below the sloping terrain that goes up to the east. Will light trespass beyond that? We could probably discuss that. The lights that are proposed are intended to limit that sort of light trespass, but that can be discussed further. as well as light trespass or noise trespass to the south, which is about 212 feet to the property line to the south, or 322 feet to the perimeter of the residential subdivision to the south as well. So in terms of initial conversation, the use is contemplated in the resolution, the use is permitted in the zone, and the city, there is no annexation, there is no rezone associated With this, the public semi-public zone contemplates government offices and the city can't determine if the use or can't implement government offices or uses such as that on property that is zoned that. With that, I would ask if there's any specific items that the council would like to hear rebuttal on or if Eric with Public Works or Chief Lewis with Eagle Fire have additional items that they want to clarify that came through rebuttal as well. and I can kind of pick up anything on the end as well.

Well, Daniel, first of all, I want to make sure we don't get too far off of the item itself. It's the waivers we get into because we heard a lot of testimony about, I like it, I don't like it, I don't want this location, but I don't want to get so far away from the conditional use on the waivers thing because I'd like to go down the list of waivers that have been mediated and the ones that still need to be addressed. by the council and take those one at a time. So if that's fine with the council, I'd like to get that answered. Mr. Mayor, I do have one question about that.

Directly related to the waivers, I believe it is related, is the location. And we had numerous people asking about why this location, which pertains to waivers, because what waivers are needed if this thing went somewhere else. So I guess the thing that I think could be answered in conjunction with the waiver issue is can it be answered why it's not going somewhere else for the public to understand that. Cause I don't know personally myself either. Uh, if there's another city area, if there was anything else considered and if there's something that could be explained to the public so that they understand that and so that I better understand it too.

Well, I like, I like that part, uh, Rob, but there is, there is nothing on the CUP on a that says location. It's just a, metal siding, exposed fasteners, chain link fence, shipping containers, permanent use, unenclosed trash receptacles, no trash enclosures, landscaping screening, no parking lot landscaping in gravel parking lot, no street trees in the parkway strip, and then gravel parking. Unless I missed something. I put them all, there's nine waivers that I saw and some have been mitigated. Is there something else that I missed?

No, I'm just bringing it up pertaining to the actual location where all these waivers are even necessary and there's people asking about the actual location of this entire thing. Can it just be addressed so that they understand it?

Sorry, at this time I'm going to ask Eric to come up because I think it's important to, to the historical part of why this seven acres in addition to two acres up at station two, which we're not going to get into this part of it, but the seven acres in this location specifically, And I also want to know the history of when the bike park got built and took away natural landscaping that some of the citizens have asked already about natural terrain and the land. It got... you got damaged by when we put the quite a few things in for the bike park parking lot in the restrooms in the bike park itself. There's, there's things, not just trails, but there's a lot of things that took heavy machinery to take away material from those premier lands, I guess, open space.

So if you can address that a little bit to Marin council to give just a brief, um, I guess overview of this project or the history of it, uh, During a previous administration, I guess the Public Works Department was tasked to evaluate all of the properties that was owned, I guess, and not developed by the City of Eagle. This was done, I guess, in accordance, like I said, with an action of Mayor and Council because of funding. At the point in time, we, I mean, at the same point in time, we still own about the same amount of property as what we had, and the amount, or the, the funding aspect of purchasing a piece of property was brought up. We worked at the time with local real estate agents. Mark Bottles was involved with it. Ada County evaluated some properties. We worked with Eagle Sewer District. We worked with Eagle Island State Park. We tried to work with any entity that we could to see if we can leverage some property anywhere through the city. It was actually deemed to try and find a piece of local property around the park, I guess, a street that was there by the high school. There was one piece of property that we tried to work with that was there. That was a five acre parcel, but it was found that that was in federal litigation and that there was no foreseen outcome for that property to be acquired of any means for the city. Um, so mayor and council at the time went and saw what was the largest piece of property that we could develop, I guess, for a city shop. Um, through an evaluation process, It was deemed that this was the largest, I guess, and it was the least impactful for what we owned. The only piece of property that now that we own that would be would either be obviously this parcel at the bike park or at the Eagle Regional Sports Complex, which was there. There was a study done as far as how much time, man hours, fuel, everything, a study to either location back and forth. And it was found the cost savings of the taxpayer for this location would be the best. So that's kind of how we came to this conclusion of this parcel. Um, the history of the bike park, uh, far as what I've been in the last decade, uh, we have worked with the BMX user group that's there. Obviously we have worked with pet IQ when we put in the dog park that was there and previous to that time, Ada County actually developed the bike park that was there. I don't know what year that was, but Ada County had a restroom that was there. that was built and that was deemed over to the city. I believe the skate bowl, I'm sorry, the restroom was there and the trails and the skate bowl came later. I don't know what those years are, but that was previous to my time.

Mr. Mayor, what actually happened out there, Eric, is the skateboard park came first. That was first. It was with an agreement between the county and the city of Eagle. And the restroom, the snack shack, whatever you want to call it, The other little pad that's there for ice hockey and rollerblading came at the same time. Those were first. The BMX part came after the Swimba and the big dome was changed, and we decided to put a BMX track. That was another agreement with the county. The county was moving forward on that. Well, we had some great paths and great things going on with this bike park, when a gentleman came in and wanted to build a snow hill and that snow hill caused a lot of the grading and equipment to go in there and destroy those hills and do some of the things that the county definitely did not want to see in there. And that caused a dust up or a kerfunkle if you want to call it between the local agencies, the county and the city. And they pulled and dropped their lease that we had with the lease agreement for the county at that point. And at that point, the county took over this BMX park and operation of it and has helped build these trails and all the others that have been out there to date. So, I mean, that gives you a way back history of clear back to the very beginning when we had our very first agreement with the county. So I hope that helps. Thank you.

At my time, thank you, Councilman Merrill. At my time here, we have built the RC track that's there. in the velodrome, I guess the remnants of the velodrome, if you will. We've added on to the BMX Park and improved that facility through my time. We've paved that parking lot. We've built a restroom for the BMX facility there and made other improvements throughout the park. This parcel that we're talking about tonight, this parcel has been everything from a material storage yard for the bike park to previous administration that this was a compost pile where we put you know, leaves and branches and stuff, and then chopped them up and used them around the city. But that's what we've historically used this law for. So I hope that answers all the questions that we had.

Mr. Mayor. Eric, will you just go back one more time and talk about Highway 16 and the piece of property that's up there, those rodeo grounds, the other facilities that are up there, the buildings that are going to be removed. How much land is that? And, boy, I know the distance for travel is an issue, but it may not be as big of an issue as some of these other issues. So how much land is up there and where is it?

Councilman, or Councilman Merrill, I'm sorry. So that parcel up there is a 90-acre parcel that is being developed or proposed to be developed into the regional sports complex. All of it? So all of it. We, I guess to go back to a little bit of history that I missed, the city actually operated out of a rental shop that was over off of Perkinson Street over by Steed Construction. We outgrew that. Previous administration didn't want to pay the lease on that because we wanted to start building the vision of an actual city shop. So instead of just kind of wasting the money as far as in that rent, and we were outgrowing it, we moved to the piece of property that's there that was an old veterinary office. So we actually operate out of a barn, a shop piece. We've kind of modified some, I mean for better words, there were cow pastures and fences into a bullpen, moved dirt around into what we operate out of today. As this regional sports park does get developed, phase one, phase two, phase three, our shop that we operate now actually is slated to be turned into a parking lot. It's for an additional parking facility for second, third phase as we work through that park complex. That is where we're at now.

And the last question, Mr. Mayor. We've talked about other sites, and there's been a lot of comment about industrial sites. Why don't we go to something like that? Have we looked at any? Do we have any industrial sites around the city with a big enough property?

Councilwoman Merrill, what we looked at was is that we needed a minimum of a certain amount of acreage for us to operate out of efficiently. And like I said in our own, I guess, experience, when we looked at these industrial parks, you know, you usually can rent a work bay or like a single office site with like a 40 by 60 or somewhere a 40 by 40 single bay and those things. We operate now and kind of as a minimum we need between two and three acres. The amount of equipment that we have and things like that, And that's what we need at a minimum. For us to find an industrial center that has that property and something that would be feasible for the city to afford would be really hard to find.

I'm looking at the application here, what we have under A1, which is DR-2826-56, the government office emergency building. And then under the bottom of that, it says revised sites plan, landscape plan, building elevations were submitted on October on September 9th and staff will be available to answer these questions during city council. So I'm talking, I'm looking at the site plan and other possible opportunities. I guess that if we had any opportunities in there, I see chief Lewis standing up maybe.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Well, Eric, let's go ahead and talk a little bit cause I want the public to understand this is an 11th hour thing. That's the part that kind of got me and I need to be very receptive. I took a lot of notes though, and we've looked all over the city for, we don't have an industrial zone. We don't have an industrial park. We don't even have a business park. We had one at one time in the comp plan, but it got taken over from Palmer to 16 by star. It was an Ada County parcel that we had the opportunity to they came in with central services and the way they went. So we lost business park. We don't have an industrial park. We have a car automotive place in right downtown and see people that seem to not remember, I guess. And then we have other things down the street. We do not have an industrial park, uh, within the city limits. And we also don't have seven acres. And we're going to get into that after Tyler, uh, chief Lewis speaks. about why we're collaborating our efforts financially and collaboratively that makes sense for everybody. But we're limited, folks. We've looked everywhere, and we can't go, Beacon Light would have been a great place off 16, but we don't own that land. The developer does. and they're putting a commercial component into their TerraView property. So there's a lot of things that until you dive in and get information, you're only going to see a surface of something. You're only going to see the local part of you. And that's the part I want to make sure every citizen understands the whole dynamics of it. There's no reason to fabricate stuff to you folks. There's no reason to lie to you. There's no reason to make anything up. And I appreciate the public safety people that came up here. But if you're going to question your own people on the integrity and the honesty and the ethics and morals of them, I get on my soapbox. I don't appreciate that because that's the part, if you live it, you know it. And some of these things about, well, I don't want to get on soapbox yet. So, Eric, I wanted you to continue. But we've, in the land itself, we've really extensively looked through the whole city for opportunities. We had a hard enough time trying to find Station 4 for a fire station. So let's get to the realities of it. We're not going to make stuff up and we're not going to pacify you just to pad. You know, we're not going to do that. We're going to go with what's best for the whole community. We're going to go what's best for everybody. And I appreciate that somebody has got to live next to it, but I don't want us to get into those situations where we hit, you don't think that we've looked extensively at this stuff and it's not an easy decision for us to make. But if you had land for us, you know, go ahead, you can leave. If you had land for us, we've already closed the public testimony. Sorry, it's our stuff. If we had land somewhere else, we would put it there. Why would we want to go into our other land? We would put it in the location that's best for everybody. I don't understand why you would even shake your heads, guys, because that's the reality of it. But Eric, go ahead and continue. Okay, hang on, hang on. I'll answer the question because it's out there, but we don't do this. If you guys want to float a bond for $15 million, we got to go to the whole city. Are you willing to pay $15 million to go purchase land from somebody else for $15 million? Because it's about what it would cost to go to some developer and ask him, hey, we want to take away your development and put a public safety building and a corp yard in. Nobody supports bonds. You're, if you're going to tell me that you're willing to pay $15 million for something, then we can have that conversation. But I don't want to get, it's, we're not going to banter back and forth. It's our time to speak right now. We listened to you. We listened to you. We listened to you as the public. Okay. Okay. And so be respectful and listen to us though too, because we're the ones that done all the work. So go ahead, Eric.

I just wanted to close that. I guess before Tyler gets in here is that, you know, we, we looked at other pieces of property to partner with different entities. And I mean the, the bounds of this reach all the way, like I said, from Eagle Island state park, um, the Eagle sewer district, even a piece of, even a piece of land that, uh, the fire district, um, had had a, uh, a contract with, and then that contract expired. and we tried to renew that in a different part of town. But to get back on kind of topic, I guess, of the shop space and things, I would, I guess, try to open up the floor here for the city side of the use of this site. I know there's a lot of concentration, and not to take away from Tyler here, but is there any questions I can answer on the city side for mayor and council?

Well, one of the questions was why are we collaborating our efforts with joint funding and joint collaboration with it? And you guys could explain that. I don't have to explain it. Okay.

Okay. Mayor and Council, a lot of this is, you know, to try and put this all on one site. There's a lot of things that we collaborate already with. the fire district, the example of like tonight, the landscaping piece for the fire district. The other thing is to help with emergency management. One of the deals that we have in the past that we have flooding that's throughout the city of Eagle, well, we manage that through the city, but we also collaborate with the fire district. And a lot of the time of the sandbags, sand and things, we're up at the bike park all ready to construct this, and it gives us a place to hand those services out to the citizens if it needs. That's just one example. Um, obviously the training piece, uh, when it comes to city services, I can tell you on the public work side, um, this facility brings an opportunity to work with the fire district when it comes to CPR training. So when we have city staff out at city parks and things, they can help train that on our end, you know, we can bring some relief if you will, to the facility side for the fire district. And it's just kind of a partnership together.

they have a lot of fleet we have a lot of fleet it just works tyler do you have more to add to that mayor and council again tyler lewis eagle fire district 1119 east day street i appreciate the time uh to come up i i just um obviously i'll continue on that we were you know the partnership between the city really uh is because we've been demanded of it everywhere as a fire district, uh, to partner with local government agencies. So that's why the partnership piece is there. Um, no different than, um, that's, that's a sediment across the board. We do it with Ada County paramedics that we have an access agreement piece. Uh, we're doing it and every government agency we can, uh, we've, we've approached consolidations between fire districts, between us and star and North data County fire and rescue. Reducing, trying to really reduce that burden piece of government and the property tax piece that we continue to use limited, there's no doubt, There was some legislation passed a while ago on the property tax. Everybody knows it. We've had reduced resources or reduced funding, increased demand. And the way that you overcome that is, and I truly believe that piece, it's not always just in this situation. Maybe it could be that there's additional money that needs to be raised for certain things. I got asked that for the fire district pieces. If I give you $30 million, we could go build this piece. And I know this infuriated the person I was talking to and I was like, and I'd probably still want to build it in the same spot because we were looking for something that doesn't have an impact of residents to the east in the Eagle City proper, right? Something within the fire district. We talked about this. Why aren't we going up to the landfill? Because the landfill is a place. It's a place that's out of the district. So that's some of the partnership piece. uh was super excited about working through that piece uh and continuing that relationship with the city to make sure we have solid relationships no matter where we go and what we do um to make sure we're giving the highest level of service across the board without reducing without being redundant in services that we're building right so um if if the city were to build this city shop and the city fire district still needs some shop space in a classroom. And that was the idea there is that both of us needed some classroom space for training staff. Um, and then we're not using it the entire year that we're not building two of these same buildings and being redundant. And that was the, the reason for entering into that cooperation agreement. One of the two of the, or there's a couple of things I wanted to just address, uh, that were factual and presentations and questions. Cause I think they are important. Uh, one of them was, yup, sorry.

Chief Lewis, just on that point that you just made, it makes sense when you can put partnerships together in government agencies to do so because it's less burden on the taxpayer. Bottom line, that's why this is needed. The city doesn't have the money to go out and buy land and build its own building. I don't know if the fire district does, but it makes sense in terms of spending your tax dollars to have partnerships when you can, and that's what that's what the attempt is here.

All right.

We're not taking public comment after we've already closed the public testimony. So I'm going to be very firm on that. Please. We were, we were very respectful to listen to every citizen that wanted to speak, but it's brought, brought back to council and it's our turn to speak.

Thank you. Chief. Uh, one of the people that, uh, testified, uh, asked about the corner on Beacon Light. And we recently went to Beacon Light and Hill Road there, 55. We recently went to a groundbreaking that you had up there for another station on that. And the question is, why couldn't you put a tower there? And because I know there was some land there, but again, it's next to home. So you want to explain that?

Yeah, so same piece there. There is some a piece of property there that we're building a fire station on. Uh, that is some of the approach that we looked at of like, Hey, can we put this behind a fire station? Will this work here? Uh, we're dealing with a major highway, highway 55 to our East, um, residents to the East of that piece. It is, you know, when we started looking into that piece, it's, you're like, Hey, what is the, which one of these two is more ideal? Uh, this piece of property is more ideal, uh, and for, in that sense. And so, um, can it, and it can't, not be done. We could we could look at that approach. It's really small what's left there. You're down to about an acre and a half. It's two acres. There's still a berm there that has to be between them and the highway and that component piece. But we did did go into that piece trying to see if we could get that the fire station because we're because that is this is another government agency piece that we're trying to partnership. It's kind of a view of the fire district. That one is a joint partnership with the Bureau of Land Management and the US Wildfire Service. And so that took up more, a lot more of that land than we would anticipate. So there's just not really a lot of space left there that would, when we evaluated that piece, if it was somewhere that could fit specifically where we're building that station. Mr. Mayor, there's a couple other just rebuttal pieces I wanted to make sure we addressed that came up. I know that we talked, it was mentioned that I had misspoke on the fact that I couldn't guarantee that smoke wasn't going to leave the property. When I was speaking to that is I can guarantee that smoke's not going to leave the property because we're the one that lights it. So if we don't light a fire, I can guarantee you that smoke will not leave the property. And so when weather conditions do not permit and we do not have a situation where it is permissible to burn and we have the ability to do so, we don't do so. And that's where, as the leader of the organization, I can guarantee that piece. And so I wanted to make sure that was corrected on the record because I know it was said that I misspoke. The other one is that units are out of service. When I was saying that units are out of service, yes, there is a chance that a unit will be out of service. We operate a little bit different than Boise Fire Department, which I do believe when I talked about it being a premier department. we're better than Boise fire department and we do it different. Um, and in that situation we use a training engine and we have an out of service crew that we bring in an overtime that runs that engine. And so our primary sort response unit is in service when we're doing those. But primarily we're not talking about when I was talking about that, I'm not talking about every single time that we go up there and burn. Yes, there's a chance that we take a unit out of service when we go burn. what I'm talking about is the other 80% of the time when we go up and do training, that unit may just be up there throwing ladders off of a training engine. That's the expectation. That's why we buy our reserve engines to be exactly and replace them early and the commissioner have committed to that so that our engines can be in service when that training piece is there. It's not the case when we go out of district because we don't have a training engine to pull out of a bay and you pull that training engine out of the bay and it's exactly like the engine they just came off of and that's the exact engine they're using to throw ladders on a piece. We purposely set this up and that's what we're looking for. So we can start using those intended pieces so that we don't have a unit out of service. So with that piece, I just wanted to make sure I corrected those two pieces for sure. Uh, I wanted to address the runoff conversation question. Um, and I'm gonna just flip back to the plan piece. Uh, these black lines that you can see that connect those three dots. Uh, we've designed this facility, which you don't see in some burn facility pieces with just a class a, you see them in other areas. Again, it's a Class A, so it's a non-petroleum, non-plastic, none of those pieces in this facility. But what we have done is designed and committed to the full install of valley gutters. So everything that we are going to do will be captured. uh and we've been working with the sewer district on this to make sure uh some of the stuff that we talked about with pfas and all that stuff 100 the same concern that we have we don't want to expose our people to it and so therefore that's why we don't use uh a triple f it's a triple f foam for those that uh it's been it's been banned from the fire service for about four years but we also aren't using any foam or any of those products with this facility it's water only and then we're capturing the water in the valley gutters running it through grass like sand grease trap separator. Uh, and then everything that we're using off the training building is going to the sewer plant for continuation of that treatment piece. So, uh, that's why the other piece of this is, is that we can't just be anywhere. We're committed to that piece. Uh, sewer and water are two of the primary, uh, pieces that we have to have. And so we, we've been asked like, Hey, why can't you just go put it up by the shooting park? Uh, sewer and water are our main issues, um, up in those type of areas where we're away from city services that we need to be able to do it right and do it correctly. Um, and so that was, those are some of the big ones I just wanted to, that I had in my notes. There's others here, um, of just concern. Obviously I can't, I can't probably solve the location issue for you. Obviously we, we've come up with a plan that we feel like we can make, um, very successful up here, but I wanted to at least address the technical pieces for you if you had other questions specifically to those that I could answer on smoke and what our plan is. I do believe there was maybe some additional pieces that some people had that were like, hey, it should be, and I have no problem going through. I think that's why I was telling you it's in draft and should be in a joint powers agreement if there's a condition that says there will be an agreement of this operations piece. I don't know the process on that, to be honest with you, on the city piece, if it all needs to be but normally we'd put that in our world and the joint powers agreement between the city and, um, and the city and the fire district on how we would operate on both sides of this thing, on how the piece would be. For sure, if it needs to be more restrictive and we need to add those things in there, and I do appreciate that piece of the feedback. And I know that I was told tonight that I'll receive some additional. I think that's great. We can start looking at those and say some of them was like, hey, you may have air monitoring piece. That's not intended to circumvent anything. We're committed to that piece to make sure we're doing air monitoring on that. I did talk last night about DEQ and whether it could become a DEQ weather location. That's not necessarily a place that they're interested in that close to the foothills. They have certain locations that they put those in because they want clean data to be able to do their forecasting. So it wouldn't necessarily be a partnership with the DEQ, but there's other opportunities and other devices. that we could do as a whole for the community and so i know that was addressed and fully committed to those pieces on making sure the restrictions are done and making this thing as smart and as safe as possible with that i'll stand for any questions mr cook mayor one of the last people that spoke was a mr rod blackstead a builder and he

You spoke very quick. I tried to take a lot of notes. We talked about the waiver of the berming restrictions to the east, a 10-foot for a natural berm. Did you get that information of what he was speaking about and the concaving and some of the things that could be built maybe possibly up there with a natural berm?

Yeah, 100% collected that piece and have it in my notes as well as additional berming that could be addressed in that piece. I think, and I'm not city staff, so I believe that we were working within the height restrictions of code on that, on berming pieces, and then working within some restraints of cost on that piece. But there's additional pieces that the council is like, hey, we want a natural berm on that far side. We'll work through that piece to make it happen in the project. What about the digging in and making it... Yeah, obviously the dirt's got to come from somewhere, and I think that's what he was getting at is there's the ability to scrape and move dirt to the southern boundary to make that piece there.

Maybe Daniel could talk about the grading issue a little bit to help you.

There is some of that piece. I don't want to be a subject matter expert.

We do have, yeah, we'll bring up Daniel to talk about what we can and can't grade on the specific lot. Thank you, sir. Well, I guess just on the worming and the request for that, As was stated, it's about a 15-foot grade difference between where the live fire training facility is located in the site and then to the eastern property line. Additional grading to level that site out would incur costs. There would be grading involved. There would be retaining walls, things of that nature. This will just be contemplated. But if that was to be added to the berm to the south, code limits... Council can discuss how they prefer to see this, but the code would be to be applied on a earthen berm. It would be a three to one slope max. So for every three feet wide, you'd have one foot of rise. So I'm not sure how wide this berm is. Say it's 10, you know, if you wanted it to be 20 feet tall, you'd have to have 60 feet of width unless code was amended to change that three to one slope requirement and make it work. There are things like, you know, when you get to, uh, slope percentages that largely beyond three to one, two to one, the angle of repose starts to come in and sand doesn't, it doesn't stay where it is. It tends to slough off, which is why the three to one slopes pretty standard. It's manageable. It's mobile. It's, um, maintainable, you know, without concern with sloping excessive there.

So, well, good, good point on that one. Because if you go 60 to 20, you have a 20 foot wall and it starts looking like a fort. Um, So you've got to take that into consideration too as far as the grading.

Mr. Mayor, can I ask the fire chief for a follow-up question? Sir, in the time that you've been the fire chief or worked for the agency, have there been any complaints or near misses or issues with kids by fire station two since it's right there? complaints about sirens and air horns and some of the other stuff we've heard about.

Yeah. So we, we haven't had any near misses, um, at that fire station, uh, with traffic bees. Uh, it is something that we never take for granted. It's, it's something that definitely those drivers are up there reminded all the time. Uh, look both ways, all those pieces with kind of what's going on up in that area. We do get on the road complaints. They're generally the complaints I get. I probably, I'll be honest with you, get one or two a month when we're running code to calls that our sirens are too loud or generally they're not from residents, they're from people on the road. that the siren scared them. Um, and so, uh, that, that happens, uh, it's, it's happening more with traffic piece cause that engine will be sitting behind you and then you hear it and that piece. Uh, but not specifically with that site. Um, one, I w I would mention that it's no different than with all of our stations. Um, and there's people that live up there. Um, we have had, I'm trying to think of any complaints up there. I think we've had some flagpole lights because our flagpole wasn't lit appropriately. But really those are the complaints we've had out of that facility up there as far as the traffic and siren piece goes. It is our policy that we aren't using like in this training facility or even leaving our stations that we're not using sirens or air horns in that situation. I talked about that a little bit last night that if you hear an air horn on a training ground, It's not a good thing. There is accidental things that happen. I can't fully that is one thing I'm not the one in the front seat So there's accidental things that happen, but it's not a normal form of practice of training to use The siren piece or air horns in those areas.

Hopefully that answers your question If this thing goes forward and there are city trucks going in and out of this intended location Is there going to be additional training offered to drivers and things like that on safety with kids, with people? It's a concern we've been hearing repeatedly about small kids on bikes, in and out of that yard. Is there going to be something that will be put in place for that, for safety for our drivers?

Councilman Gillis, one thing to bring up about the city staff right now, 90% of them are starting their day right here at City Hall. So most of the city fleet that's actually right out here in the parking lot get dispatched in and out all day running through here next to the library. City staff is well aware of, you know, noon lunch programs, you know, I mean, recreation programs and things, and we take the safety of all of the patrons very serious. We do driver's training. There's high crimp training that we run them through. I mean, all sorts of things like that. But yes, obviously we will continue that. If I could build, Councilman Gillis real quick, I wanted to bring up the trash piece for this site. There's been a lot of conversations. I've been quoted apparently about the roadkill and the dead deer carcasses that we get the joyous event to go dispose of for the fish and game. One thing I wanted to clarify is that, you know, no one likes the experience of going and picking up a dead deer or whatever might be produced from roadside trash. It is something that we have taken on to help out Ada County Highway District to help out ITD because they don't have the resources, especially during COVID this became evident you know the trash along highway 44 highway 55 floating feather i could go on and on we have full-time staff that this is pretty much what they do to fill their day in the off season but with that piece we don't know if we pick up a recliner a mattress we've picked up toolboxes we've picked up full boxes of drywall mud i mean i can go on and on and this is all produced of whatever we find for road fines. And I can't predict that. The other thing is, to clarify, is kind of our trash service throughout the city. When I verbalized, I guess, what we haul away from the parks, we have trash enclosures at Gerber Park, Merrill Park, up here at the bike park already. As far as the waiver that we're looking at for this thing for an oversized enclosure or something when we first presented this, it was to handle the oversized items, and most of the time it's a lot of landscape debris of, like, branches and the roadside debris that we pick up. I would have to say, you know, the concern about the dead deer and thing, I can't predict this. Obviously no one wants to hit a deer on the road. We might pick up some years two a year, and some years we pick up more than that. But we do our best to kind of get those things out of the eye of the public. We never know where they're going to be. We picked them up over by Banbury Golf Course. We picked them up over at Highway 55. And we try and put it in remote areas because, well, when you put something like that in a dumpster that's next to Gerber Park, next to a splash pad or a picnic shelter, or things like that. No one wants to deal with that, but it has to kind of go somewhere. Um, we do have a outstanding contract with hardened sanitation to where when those things happen, we can call, get those picked up in a timely manner. We have them come out and roll to all of our services around the city to dump the dumpsters, uh, twice a week, if not more as the reservations pick up in the park, all those things, they're on a standing rotation. So I wanted to clarify that also for those things.

Yeah, good. You want to talk about the, or one of us can disclose, one of the ladies asked about the crosswalk and things there. They are working already. Mary, maybe you have some update on that with that intersection, because it's been on the books for a little bit, but they're working on that right now, so. I don't know if Barry has it or Daniel has it.

I have a couple updates. And, of course, these are projects under the purview of ACHD, and this is a start. And this is something that the city each year we provide input and we prioritize and rank the projects that we feel are a priority out here in the city. And that always gives a little bit of heft to the timeline there. But on the FYP, a signalized pedestrian crossing at Horseshoe Bend Road and Green Brook Street, which is the entrance to the bike park. That's on the list. Interim pathways on both sides of Horseshoe Bend Road between Hill and Floating Feather. That's going to help with the pedestrians and the kids going back and forth. Horseshoe Bend Bikeway between the Green Belt and Floating Feather on select streets is identified by the Northwest Boise and Eagle neighborhood plans. Also on the... Radar is the roundabout there at Horseshoe Bend Road and Floating Feather. And that is scheduled for design in 2027, right-of-way acquisition in 28. Also, we have... let's see sidewalk gaps are being addressed, ADA ramp upgrades and bicycle facilities as identified in the Eagle neighborhood plan as well. So there's a lot of things that have already been identified and they're scheduled to happen. So that's another part of that safety component, uh, that I wanted everybody to be aware of too.

Thank you. Um, other, other thoughts or comments? I mean, there's a quiet list here of, of the notes that we all took, um, down here, but, Some of them, like the helicopter thing, that was just a misheard, so there's no thing there, but the Sheriff's Department's not doing any training there that has flashbangs or weapons. They're not even part of this conversation, so I want to squash that rumor right there. But with that said, never say never, they may want to use this building, they've used this building for training, the city hall, they've used the library, they've used other schools, So to ask if they could come and do some training, the chief and I will have to discuss that after the facility comes to existence, but that's not something that was on the radar already. But I wanted to make sure the safety, the crosswalk safety, this whole thing's about safety. And so for somebody to think that we're not focusing on the safety aspect, the whole city's committed and mom committed to do no harm. And we need to, we, my, my thing is the welfare of the community as a whole. So you have to take into consideration. Um, but the bike park's not going away. I mean, I think that was some of the things that I kind of put a note down. Are you asking if we're encroaching on the bike park? But I want to go back to the thing when they originally tore this natural landscaping up to put the bike park in. Was anybody that lived here at that time in opposition of that? The good thing about being an American, you can have discord, and you can have separation of understanding and stuff, but we're trying to convey all the information to you. There's nothing to make up, and I want us to get on that soapbox a little bit. We're not making stuff up just to make things happen, and this certainly is not an 11th hour decision. That's what I want the public to understand. There's been a lot of work for the last couple of years for sure since I've been mayor to find an appropriate location that outside of going and asking a developer, will you sell your development land to us so we can put a public facility in? We don't have the money for it. They don't wanna do it. I've asked a couple of them. They don't wanna have that conversation at all because they're making money on their developments and their plans that get submitted to us. So anyhow, but this is, there's only a few parcels out there, folks, that the land, the city owns. We only own a couple of acres left now. County has some. The developers have the rest, and landowners that don't want to sell still has theirs. So I don't know if anybody had some other concerns or notes that you, when you're taking the notes that you want to talk about.

Mr. Mayor, one of the things, a question was about lighting. and in the standard conditions of approval, you know, the parking lot lighting is required in the parking areas and to be properly illuminated, but we didn't talk about all of that and what the runoff might be to the neighbors and to any place else and what the timing and what kind of lights and how high and are they gonna be sodium, are they gonna be halogen? I mean, what are we talking about here for lighting of this facility?

mr mayor and councilwoman merrill our standard conditions of approval contemplate necessary light components that we could look into through the design review application as well dark sky principles are in play always where light trespass is not permissible across property lines in an instance like this as well as shielding from lights going up or going out This item is contemplated separately as item A1 on your agenda tonight for the design review component of that, which those could be addressed through that conversation as well. If there are restrictions on lighting types, Kelvin scale, light typologies, LED versus sodium, things like that, those could be directed through the CUP application and then picked up through the design review item as well. But the standard conditions of approval are implemented in place, which is why they're standard, so that they're applicable to every application. And the same principles will apply where the light trespass is negated. Dark sky principles are in place. And lighting gets considered through those processes.

Thank you. Any other questions for the Chief, Daniel, Eric?

Mr. Mayor, I heard you discuss here recently there's no other land, there's no other possible opportunities or you've talked to others and we don't have the money to buy it. I just want to give you a short little synopsis of how we built the city hall. When we started the city hall, we had a very small population and we didn't have any room in the old senior center. It was crowded out. We could only hold 30 people in there and we were, The building was booming in Eagle and we could not only have standing room outside the door and be able to have people understand or record or do it legally. So we tried to do a bond. We tried to do a bond with the library and to see if we could add on to the library and if we could build a city hall with the library and it failed. Nobody likes to do city taxes and bonds don't go well. We tried it again and it failed. So the third time I went to our developers and I said something to the effect, now don't quote me word for word, but something to the effect, is there anyone silly enough in this community that is willing to build a city hall for the city of Eagle with these kind of restrictions? You build it on your dime and the way that we want it, in the place that we wanted we had the land at two dollars a square foot and we will lease it back from you until we can get it paid for and we had two developers come up and say i'll do it and we built this city hall with developer money building it us leasing it we put went down and did things like instead of putting granite and marble on the floors and that we went down and found tiles that looked like and we saved money in building what we needed to build for this City Hall and it's stand today of that but I know that we have people in this community that can help us I don't know for to that point tonight and if we have an opportunity to do that or not but I do know that it has happened before and I know when you put the good right people at the right place at the right time good things can happen so i'm i'm just saying that we do have developers that may have some interest in helping us out and however it might be fashioned or however it might be put together i'm not willing to give up on them i guess at this point but i do i do have concern tremendous concern from what i heard tonight and not only of losing a sacred park land which we try so hard to put together in this community with very little money as we can but to for what it means to so many people not just the people that live there we heard from people that in ada county up on prairie that's a road that's never been annexed into the city but it's there and it's and it's their part of us they've been there and so you know i i feel that there's um I think there's some opportunities here. I just haven't quite figured it out yet.

I appreciate that because you may know some developers that I have not spoken with, but I feel very confident that the outreach was pretty thorough with what's going on in the locations that we can put this stuff together.

Mr. Mayor, I just wanted to add on to what Council Member Merrill was talking about. So in 97, Proposition A, the city bond, that was before everybody and it did fail. Then in May of 2003, there was a special bond election. Of course, that requires two-thirds majority to pass. In favor, 756 against 872, so again, right, so the appetite wasn't there. Then of 2004, a special bond election requiring two-thirds majority to pass. In favor, that time came out with 60.55 against 671, so the special bond failed because we didn't have that. Then the option that you were talking about to get somebody to partner, and again, we talked about that earlier about the value of partnerships, to get things done, and then, so that proceeded, and then in November of 12, we had a group that came together, a non-profit was started, a committee to buy City Hall, and so November of 12, bond to purchase existing City Hall to kind of get us out of that requirement and kind of stop the hemorrhage there, requiring two-thirds majority, In favor, 6,500, so we had 66% there against 33%. But the kicker here, when everybody was celebrating, but the county had aired and had not distributed all the ballots to everybody that was eligible to vote. So that was in November, so we had to have another election then to correct the mistakes of that one in May of 2013. So then we were, It passed, so we had a bond purchase City Hall, again on the ballot, requiring 2 3rds in favor. We had, at that time, 2,075, which was 90% in favor against only 9.03. So the bond was successful and the City of Eagle was able to proceed with the purchase of the existing City Hall, so then we were able to do that and then we took on the burden of that all by ourselves. that partnership certainly helped get us.

So thanks for bringing that up.

Any other thoughts, comments, questions?

Well, Mr. Mayor, I think tonight we've had a lot of good conversation, a lot of good points and suggestions. Mr. Blackstead with the firm, I took notes as well. I thought you had some really good ideas there. I think it's Krista over here. You had a really good list of things that we don't quite have the answer to Lynn had a good list of items for us to look up. So I think it's after 10. I think one thing we can all agree on that we support our fire district. They do phenomenal work and we recognize the need for a training facility, both for the city and for the fire district. Again, a powerful partnership has come together. But I think we could perhaps table this for tonight get some answers to some questions, have a date certain, come back, and continue our discussion. And so I think we owe some answers out here and then proceed from then. If the other members of the council would be amenable to that.

Mr. Mayor? Yeah, I really appreciate the feedback that we got. There was some things that that I wasn't personally aware of that we could take a look at. And by no means was this a predetermined decision. That's the reason we have these public hearings is to get new information, get new ideas from you with your sense of what's good and what's not good. So really appreciate it and I think based on some of the things that came up, I think it would be worthwhile for us to take a step back and dive into deeper on some of these issues on how they can be resolved. And so I would be in favor of tabling this until we can have some more discussions on it.

Well, I'll say this. I heard a lot of people in your heart. A lot of you are speaking from your heart because you live there. I heard multiple times that we don't live there, so maybe we don't necessarily understand. I'm the junior member on this council. I mean, even Nancy was here long before, and the mayor here. So I'm truly the new guy. And since I've landed in this seat, all I've done is care about the people of Eagle. I haven't cared about political party. I haven't cared about any of that. I've just cared about doing what's right and what's wrong and making sure that I'm trying to balance what's right for everybody as best I can. I know we need a training facility. I don't know if it's going to end up here. If the council decides down the road or if it's found to be somewhere else with the developer maybe buying in and helping us. But I heard somebody who left throwing out accusations that we're trying to claim a boogeyman that doesn't exist and all these other crazy things. I myself understand the smoke stuff just like these firefighters do that are in here. I got involved in a bad fire in my former line of work and had smoke inhalation for like three months. Couldn't breathe. And it sucked. And so, you know, smelling smoke and having it be over your house every day and all these perceptions of things that are being said and ash and whatever else, I think that maybe just a little bit more Work needs to be done like the other council members are saying so that we can get all the answers that really need to be said. I've heard the chief, he talked a couple times about kind of wanting to be on the easternmost portion of the city so that if smoke blows, it blows east if it does leave the property. And I think that when that's being talked about, we need to understand more about it. So I think at this late hour, too, I concur with the council that we just table it for now. It's not a no, and I don't want anybody thinking that I'm gonna turn around and just say no and leave it alone and not do anything. I think we need to do something, and if the property isn't there for us anywhere else but here, then it needs to go here, and we're gonna need to mitigate whatever we can mitigate to make sure that it's the best it can be. But I think that there's too many questions still.

One more thought. We've had a lot of people here tonight with some really good ideas and some really great comments on this. So some great thinkers, probably a lot of people that have contacts and people that they know and developers that they may know and ideas that they're thinking about that said, well, maybe if you did this or this. So I don't want you to stop thinking just because the public hearing is closed. We want to continue to hear from you and we want you to put your elbows to the shoulder to the wheel if you will or elbow grease and see see what you think of and what what you would do different if you were sitting up here in this seat besides just saying no maybe you know someone or some piece of property or someplace that would meet the requirements that the chief needs and our fire department needs to do some great training so that we can be protected here in the community but so you know i would make that plea out to our community as we as you're sitting out here thinking about this and you talk to others and you thought, well, maybe there's another place, maybe there's something else that we could think of, or not. And if not, then what do we do about this? And so I think we're still there and I appreciate the council willing to slow down and take a look at this. I know that these guys are ready to dig. They've got their shovels ready to go and they need a place to go and they want very desperately to take care of not only the fire but our our equipment you know we can't keep building uh doing roads and landscaping and big trucks and hauling stuff out of the back of city hall here where our public works has been it's just it's just not safe and it's not a good place with the library and all the other things that are here too so we have lots of issues we will always have issues we're a growing community but we have the best people so we can do it. That's my thoughts.

Well, from what I'm hearing, then I would probably entertain a motion for 8A and 8.1 to be continued. I will not close the public hearing as a whole. The public testimony is over, and that's the official statute part we can't do. We are receptive. The people that made comment towards me, we can have a conversation. I mean, that's totally fine with us. But procedurally, I can't have you talk from the audience, that's all. And so we have to do it with a formality. But each one of you that wants to have a conversation, I'm willing, I mean, to do that. I'll meet at the 50-yard line anytime on any subject. But yeah, but the rest of it. Mr. Mayor and council, just one thing.

If it's an open application, you can't have an ex parte contact.

No, I mean, well, I'm just talking in general, but you're right. I mean, that legal part is right, but my point was, you know, I ask everybody to come in and talk all the time, so thank you for correcting that portion of it, but that's my heart talking. I mean, I'm open book. I mean, there's nothing to hide here at 68 years old. So anyhow, my request would be then for somebody to make a motion on 8A and 8.1, and we'll go from there.

Mr. Mayor, did we get the nod to have a date certain, have it at our next meeting? Do we want to?

Mr. Mayor, I'm here to assist with that process here just from a procedural standpoint. Two quick things just to make note of, and I say this with full respect here, but all the discussion regarding location and place and stuff, we've heard that. The staff report, as it's written today, the use being allowable, Staffs approach this through the waivers that have been presented. If there's additional information, and I say that because if there's additional information that you would like staff to assist with before we come back to you, I'd love to hear exactly how staff can be of assistance, other than just addressing how the waivers may or may not be applicable to this or that. I've heard the general conversation, but it's always abundantly helpful when there's clarity from the DAIS about how staff can be of assistance before we come back, and that may inform about when we're ready to come back if it's having conversations globally about joint partnerships and things like that may take more time if it's if it's things about addressing the waivers here that could be quicker and that's only why i asked for some clarity on that of how we can be of assistance um mr mayor danielle um i think that um there's two two parts to this one are the waivers and the the waivers are the

The fire department has graciously taken away most of the problems with the waivers and with the things that they're changing on that. So I don't think that those are going to be, I think they'll still need to be discussed and need to be on the agenda. But I think that more important than that is the site location. And so the site-specific conditions of approval that's based on the A1, which is your DR26-56, It's basically just your, it doesn't talk about the waivers on this document that I have here, it's your Development Services Planning Division Inter-Office Memo, but it does talk about the revised plans, site plan, landscape plan, building elevations, and that is included in this packet. So I think that we need to continue that application the 23rd. the DR26-56. Okay. And it's a request for a conditional use permit. So you're asking for a conditional use permit along with the waivers. So I think there's a two-fold thing that we need to add to this agenda.

Okay. If it were to be continued to a date certain, I can provide dates based off of that.

I think we had some really good questions and a lot of good feedback, too, that people are looking for clarity, assurances, et cetera, on the policy, the alert. We wrote them all down. I think we all have a list that we can share. But I think they're wanting some answers, like I say, and some assurances. So I think we can respond to those, and I think they deserve to have an answer. So if we could address those.

Okay. From a procedural standpoint, if it were to be continued, we have a meeting next Tuesday, September 22nd. Our packets are due, if you would, by Wednesday, so tomorrow. I'm not sure if I'll have city staff available. But then there's three meetings in October. It would be October 13th, 20th, and 27th. And then again, there are three potential meetings in November. However, they could be a conflict with the Thanksgiving holiday on the 24th. So if you want some more clarity, some more specificity on a date, a timeframe.

Well Daniel, the 20th is the middle meeting that we have usually is just for reports and consent agenda. So if this could be a specifically, uh, itemized, focus of this is the only part in addition to those, that's our middle opportunity.

The October 20th meeting, there was the Moseley Hill subdivision application, which was continued to that date, so that one will be coming back before you. And then there's just one tentative application regarding updated planning and zoning fee schedule resolution, but that can be moved around to accommodate this request pretty easily.

So the 20th?

That's the consensus part of the motion. It would have to be requested for it to be the October 20th meeting.

And both A and A1? Okay. Ready for a motion?

Yeah, there's no other discussions. Yeah, absolutely.

Mr. Mayor, I move that item 7A, cup2026-13 dash conditional use permit for waivers of eagle city code title 8 city of eagle and eagle fire district and a1 dr-2026-56 government office and emergency services building for the city of eagle and eagle fire district city of eagle and eagle fire district uh b Remanded back? Be continued. To date certain of October 20th. To date certain of October 20th. Second.

Thank you. A motion and a second. Any more discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Thank you. That motion passes. Thank you. Now we've got to move on. Thank you, all you guys, for sure. Let's work on seven new business stuff. I understand that there's going to be a request. Back to the staff.

Sure. That's me again. Mr. Mayor and members of council, regarding the items A, B, and C, regarding the Creekside Church, that item has been requested by the applicant to be continued to the next meeting. The applicant is not available to attend this meeting tonight. He wasn't as of this morning, so he's made a request that it be continued to the next meeting next Wednesday. Okay.

Mr. Mayor? I make a motion that we continue item 7, where am I at? Yeah, 7A, no, wait a minute, it's now 8. Okay, 8A, B, and C to the next regular schedule meeting. Thanks.

Thank you. I have a motion to have a second. Second. Any more discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Thank you. All right, our last thing prior to, we have an executive session tonight. Okay, we won't have any of that. So our last business, could we, would you guys make a motion? You would like to table this one as well? And move that to a... To continue D? Yeah, D. I'll need a motion to continue 7D, new business, to... Or 8D now, because we switched it, yeah, 8D, to the next available meeting.

Mr. Mayor, I make a motion that we continue item 8D, discussion regarding unallocated park impact fees to the next regular scheduled meeting.

Yep. Thank you. Motion to have a second? Second. Oh, sorry. Yep. Okay, we have a second. Okay. Any more discussion? All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Thank you. All right. Last, since we have no executive session, they need a motion to adjourn.

Mr. Mayor, I move we adjourn.

All right, motion to have a second? Second. Any more discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Thank you. Meeting adjourned.