City Council - Regular Meeting

My name is Clancy Nixon. I'm the community engagement specialist for the city and I have Olivia De Pablo in the back as well. It doesn't look like anybody who arrived tonight needs interpretation this evening, but she's here for that. If you see anybody sneak in. Um tonight, uh our topic is recycling, composting, and water. Marty's going to come up here in a second to give us a quick presentation. So, it'll be about 15 minutes and then we'll follow that up with about 15 minutes of Q&A and then the rest of the evening um is more of a c if this is your first engaged Durango forum, it's pretty casual. You get to bounce around to tableto tables. All of our departments here are represented by either their departmental director or staff that have been st sent instead. Um, so feel free to walk around and chat with everybody and learn about what each of your city departments are doing for the city. But, um, this goes till 6:30. I know the sign out there was 4:30 to 6:30, but 6:30.

Thank you, Marty. But anyway, uh, so that's kind of the outline for tonight and I really appreciate you all being here. There's a survey at the end. if you could let us know how we did, that really helps um us deliver engagement opportunities for you that that work with your schedule and kind of what you're expecting out of the evening and making sure that we're getting good feedback from you. So, all right, Marty, I'm going to turn it over to you. And there's food in the back if you missed that. Feel free to grab a bite at any point throughout the evening. Thanks.

All right. Um, thank you for coming everyone. My name is Marty Pool. I'm the sustainability manager for the city of Durango. And as Clancy said, tonight our topic is recycling, composting, and water. And what do those have to do with each other? Why those topics? So, these are two of the five sectors of our sustainability plan, which outlines and categorizes the things that we're focusing on here at the city and as a community when it comes to sustainability. And of course, so many of these things are interconnected, but um it does help for department planning and coordination to draw these lines, have these these general sectors and buckets that we're working in. these two topics tonight uh some of the commonalities that they have. They are some of the most impactful for resident and business utility bills and they are also have some pretty big uh considerations heading into 2026. Certainly everyone's aware of water and then I have some updates on the recycling and composting front as well. So quick foundation for anyone that's not familiar with your city utility bill. if you haven't opened that up recently. We have two rate classes, residential and commercial. So residential is single family homes and duplexes and commercial is everything else. Um we get a lot of questions about multif family units. For the most part, those are going to be under that commercial. So think apartments, apartment complexes, condos, things like that. Um, town homes are kind of this weird interesting in between. It depends on the HOA setup and accounts and things like that, but for the most part, this is our breakdown for how we're we're setting rates and folks are getting their service and and their

bills. When it comes to water, commercial and city or sorry, commercial and residential here in the city, they have city Durango is providing your water. those on a per gallon basis are actually pretty similar costs residential to commercial. Uh single family homes are going to have their own water meter. Commercial often like a single water meter will come into the apartment complex and then everyone pays that their rent or something like that. Um residential on the recycling side residential are required to pay for city of Durango municipal recycling and trash services. On the commercial side, they can choose anyone. So, they can sign up for a city of Durango Services or they could go with a private hauler like Republic or Waste Management. Also, when it comes to recycling, we do have an ordinance that says in multif family residents with eight or more units, they are required to have recycling. Again, it doesn't have to be city of direct recycling, but they have to provide recycling to their tenants. Um, and then maybe not a lot of people know this, but uh, residential, so the folks with their own um, account for it's actually goes off of the water account, strangely enough, but um, residential is who pays for and gets springfall cleanup services. Commercial do not. Um, and so every year we kind of have some confusion around multif family complexes in particular. Again, sometimes town homes are in that residential category and they do get those services, sometimes they don't. Um, so that's an interesting breakdown that twice a year we answer some calls, too. So, we're going to start with our waste management side of stuff. Um, the term, not the company. Um, and I have a lot of bad jokes uh tonight already. Um, so when it comes to handling our trash and

recycling and specifically we're talking about recycling here, this is our general flowchart. It can either be collected by the city of Durango. So this is again just looking at those city services. So, think mostly residential, but it can be collected by the city of Durango in from your blue bin that you're not allowed to put glass in there because of the way it um affects our equipment and our our processing at the recycle center. Or folks can drop off mixed recycling at the recycle center. Also, we have our glass pit that is super cathartic to huck glass into and break it. Um, so that all gets processed. The glass gets scooped up uh couple times or about once a month, maybe every other month, and put in a big semi and shipped off to Glass to Glass, which is in the front range, formerly Rocky Mountain Bottling Company. Um, and now we use glass to glass from the rec the mix recycling gets bailed up. That's a picture of our balor. and it gets hauled off in those big bales. Uh to currently our contract is with waste management in their facility in Denver as well. Those uh those are called material processing facilities or material reclamation facilities, MURFs, and we go out to bid every 3 years or so for those contracts. So people say like where does our recycling go? Well, every three years we enter into potentially a new contract. it might go to a different place, but in all of those cases, those are the places that are sorting through the recycling, getting it clean, and getting ready to send it out to market as a commodity. Um, fair warning, there's going to be quite a number of pie charts and graphs. Um, I might go through them pretty quickly, but yeah. Um, but these slides will be up online for you to look at. We have paper copies. I'm also during Q&A,

happy to go back to any slides. So, here's a breakdown of our uh estimated communitywide disposal rates. And I say estimate because solid waste is notoriously hard to um get data on. It's not metered like energy or water is. Um but everything above that top uh dotted line kind of slice there, that's city of Durango provided services. And so you'll see when it comes to our entire waste stream here from our commu from the community of Durango, a majority of it is those private haulers. Um that gray area is just it's about half and it's everything that's going to the landfill that's not associated with city collection. So that could be like a contractor dumping something off at our transfer station or uh waste management's trucks that drop stuff off at the transfer station. So, we get that data from the transfer station, but we don't have any detail of like who that was dropping off what. That's all private uh information. Construction and demolition that is tracked separately and you'll see that that's that left slide. Again, that's not collections that we do as the city. And then you can see the breakdown of everything else. Um items highlighted in blue text are what can be considered diversion. So diversion is the word diverting something from the landfill, keeping something out of the landfill. And our main approaches to that here in the community are composting and recycling. So if you're looking at diversion as just a portion of that slice of the dotted line, we're at a diversion rate for city provided services at about 35%. Which is really good. Uh I mean uh kind of relatively speaking there are a lot of communities and parts of the world where that number is in the 60s7s or 80s. Um in Colorado the number is

closer to like 15% diversion. So, you know, we're kind of comparing ourselves to a bit of a low bar, but for a community of our location, size, and just being a rural community, we're actually quite a bit ahead of the curve in terms of the services we're providing for diversion. Um, but you'll notice that there's a lot of diversion that's not captured in that bottom part of the slide. And so if we think into the future, these purple sections represent a really rough estimate based on material um composition of these waist streams that we could be diverting as a community. And so that's anywhere from another 20 to 40% of any of these waist streams. And that would require you know different policies and ways of operating our systems. And so who, show hands, who was here in Durango in 20110, 2011, 2012. Whoa, cool. You beat me. I'm coming from my 10 year anniversary this year. Our family is here in town, so I'm pretty proud of that. But that's great. Um, you may remember that prior to that, the city didn't have blue bin recycling or optin or wasn't required. And so now people may take it, you know, especially folks that move here um just recently may take for granted the fact that we have recycling automatically alongside trash services. Um that's certainly not standard across Colorado and in many parts of our country. So that's really great. We've made that pushes and commitment as a community and it's been going well ever since. And so now we are at a point in time where we can start looking at organic management in a similar vein. So what does the community of Durango want to see when it comes to organics? That is um food waste and yard trimmings primarily. So those could go to the landfill. That's probably still

the cheapest option. In the landfill they break down, create methane gas, greenhouse gas emissions. you lose uh organic nutrients that could be better used for other purposes and you know there's a balance there. So what does our what does our community want? Um organic management is across the country becoming really there's a really strong push to bring that to par for recycling. That is communities that are passionate about recycling. We're seeing a similar amount of passion for organic management. We've been doing some investigation on our options uh along with Clancy's under Clancy's excellent guidance, but we've been doing some stakeholder interviews, community focus groups. We have a community survey that's open right now. We have up to I think close to 100 respondents so far. It's been open about a week and um so encourage you to scan that code and take that survey. You can scan that code later as well. We'll be providing a city council update in June and then the final report comes in September. I should also mention we got a technical assistance grant from the state of Colorado and so um we're getting free consultation from RRS and Ecoycle for this investigation and to support with that public engagement. So it's been a really wonderful process. I'm really proud of the um the the research and exploration we're doing on this front. Okay, it's the most complex slide of the evening. Uh, I didn't make this slide. I stole it from Circular Action Alliance, which is the statewide organization in charge of extended producer responsibilities. This is EPR. This is that item that um or this is that piece of legislation that the Herald wrote an article about about a week ago. Um, has anyone heard of EPR or familiar with it?

Only from the paper.

Only from the paper. Good job, Harold. I they quoted me well in that one. I was I tend to ramble sometimes so they they did a good job. Um so basically as you can see it is a complex system. This was legislation that was passed with the state in 2022 and has taken three and a half years to establish the statewide plan for how this is going to work. But in a nutshell, any company that makes or uh sells or uses traditional packaging materials. So think like grocery store stuff, cereal boxes, aluminum cans, list of materials that are covered. So any company that is selling those um they have to pay a small fee on a per unit basis uh like a fraction of a penny and that goes into a big statewide pot and then the purpose of that funding is to fund recycling services across the state uh municipal and private sector to make sure that recycling is offered on par with trash. Um so that is a huge upgrade for across Colorado. There's tons of communities where you it's really hard to get recycling um on par with trash services, but in Durango, we have had that for 15 years. So, what does it mean for us? Well, it's really a question about that red arrow, which is how can Durango as a municipality access that state funding and then what does that mean for residents utility bills? And so, that's what we are right in the middle of right now. Um it's a multi-step application process and review of contracting and review of the details for for how that agreement works. But um we're in the middle of it and we'll have numbers and more news

soon. So um and then oh yeah that teal is you all. That's the covered entities. So those are the people that should eventually be getting no cost recycling after you know this whole process shakes out. But okay, switching gears completely to water. I don't even have a transition slide. Just jumping right into it. Um, so this is a picture of our three main water sources here in Durango. We have the Flora River, the Amis River, and Lake Nighthorse. And so the Flora River, we have a a nine mileish pipeline that goes from the flora to our College Mesa treatment plant and terminal reservoir that can provide five about 5 and 3/4 million gallons per day. So that's MGD. It's not Miller Genuine draft which think of every time I see it. Okay, jog. So 7 point uh 7 point or 5.76 mgd we have the Amis river um and you all familiar and we can pump anywhere from about 4 to 7 million gallons per day from the animous up to college mea. So college mesa is quite a bit above the animous river. So any river any water that we want from the animous we have to pump it and that also is pretty expensive in terms of electricity costs. We have storage rights on Lake Nighthorse, but the latest estimates, and these are even a few years old, it would be over a hundred million dollars of infrastructure to access that uh water. So, that lake got built several decades ago. Um but getting the water out. We are in the same um predicament that many of the um you know the southern utes and the mountain utes and uh I believe I I don't know if any other nations own

water rights on that. getting water out of Lake Night Horse has proved a challenge for the communities that were guaranteed water rights in that in that lake um reservoir I should say not lake reservoir. Um the other thing I should say is there's a difference between paper water rights which is like technically how much water we have a right to here as a as a municipality and so those are called paper water rights because on paper it says you can access then there's a term called wet water rights which is actually the water that you have developed that you can actually deliver and so our floro river is fully developed those are water rights and we can convey that much water the amis river. We have more water rights than that, but um that's about the max in terms of infrastructure that we can access from the river without building more pumps, more pipes, things like that. And then I just explained windors. We have paper water storage rights, but not um no way to access those as of now. Um so common misconception I was told, there's a conversation going on Facebook. I don't go on Facebook, but I've been told um that people are like, "Well, we have water in Lemon Reservoir." We do not have water in Lemon Reservoir. Our water comes from Lemon Reservoir, but we don't own storage rights in Lemon Reservoir. So, what does that mean? It means our water rights are based entirely on the amount of water that is going into Lemon Reservoir. So regardless of the flow that's coming out of the dam, which is fulfilling other people's water rights, we can't call the operators and ask them to release any more water from Lemon, we're only allowed to take out up to that 5.76 million gallons per day. That if that maximum is flowing into the reservoir. And so I have those examples here. If we're if more than 5.76 is flowing into the reservoir, we can access the full 5.6 six when we're

pulling from the lower down on the flora. If only two million gallons per day is flowing into Lake Nighor, we're only allowed to pull 2 million gallons per day out of the flora. I maybe said animous a couple times there. Flora. Um so if it's only flowing in at two, we're only allowed to draw out at two. Even if the flora is running at, you know, 10 times that to to fulfill other people's water rights, we are limited by that. And so, ah, fancy PowerPoint work. You really have to pretend for our purposes that lemon essentially isn't there. It's not a reservoir that we can access. Uh, another pie chart. So, this is our breakdown of end use for water consumption here in the community. Um, I'll let you look at the the breakdowns, but my takeaway from here is residential definitely dominates um or is substantial as a sector and then everything else has a part to play is kind of the way I think of it. Um, I'll draw your attention to that bottom right box. That's the big highlevel takeaway that I I get when I look at this graph. So it's a roughly 1/3 really just roughly speaking 1/3 residential indoor and outdoor 1/3 commercial indoor and outdoor and one-third um public space irrigation. So parks um anywhere where there's public irrigation. So that's not like people's backyards or things like that, but that's public space irrigation. So all of those spaces in our community.

Is that what raw water is?

It does include raw water. So some of those there's a question about raw water. Um so some of you that aren't familiar with raw water is untreated water. So that we get our water in terminal reservoir um on the mesa. Some of that water is just conveyed without being treated. And so that goes to a handful of places around our community. That's called raw water that's used for irrigation. Um and then a lot of the irrigation, in fact a majority of the irrigation in our community is potable water. So it's treated and then it comes off of treated water lines. And for anyone watering their lawn and their that's that's all treated water, potable water. Um this is another breakdown, another way of looking at the water. Um I know there was that figure that was 70% that was quoted in the Herald. I believe that was slightly um I think what that was trying to convey is during a summer month it's about 70% irrigation. But over the course of the entire year it's about this breakdown. This is another way you can look at that. So that peak that we see in the summer is um someone give me how do I do it on time?

Yeah. Okay. There's only like three or four more slides left. Um that peak in the summer is how we tell that that's outdoor use. That bottom is that baseline what can be considered indoor use. Um our water consumption over the past close to 10 years has stayed about level. But when you take in the fact that we have grown by 7 and a half% as a community, we are, you know, kind of trending down on a per person basis. But still there's there's more we could do in terms of water conservation. Um, I'll go through these really quickly, but the point here is when you look at water conservation, there's a big uptake in the last 10 or 5 to 10% of the top five to 10% of uses. And so, um, you know, some of the policy we could look at, and I'll get to a slide on this, but how do we address these issues? Um, we have a majority of people are paying those water rates. So, if you use less than 6,000 gallons per month, um, you're paying that rate anywhere from 6 to 21,000 gallons, a K gall,000 gallons, you're paying $4. And really it's only the top again 5 to 10% of users that are seeing those upper water rates. And so for addressing water conservation we it's a two-prong approach. We do broad general programs and then we work with those higher water users and some of those higher water users. There's reasons for that use, right? So um we're not out here to as a municipality to do any like you know targeting or throwing anyone under the bus. we want to work together on this issue, but you know, try to bring that hockey stick down a little bit. So, that's one type of engagement and then broad general programs kind of push the whole curve collectively down. Uh quick PSA on the amount of uh water. So, uh on a per ounce basis, city water is 20,000 or no 2,000. Don't

overestimate 2,000. Uh, city water is 2,000 times cheaper per ounce than bottled water. So, next time you want to go buy some bottled water that may or may not be filled up from a tap somewhere. Anyway, um, last couple slides. Long-term water conservation is about multi-year efforts, right? It's around bringing everything down. The reason we do that is to protect uh, for every drop that we're not using, that we're not putting in our soil, um, there's a farmer downstream that can use that. we don't have to put a call in the river. Um, you know, keeps water in the in the river for our fish. Um, and then when we have summer drought conditions, that's when what we're really responding to our daily limit. So that was that limit on the flora draws that I was mentioning. Um, so as our water supply shrinks, we really only have so much per day that we can access. Um, and here's just another way of visualizing that. you know, we have our in our daily fluctuations for water consumption, and we just have to stay below that peak during uh severe acute summertime drought conditions such as we're heading into potentially this year. And I did it. Sped up. I'm done. Water, recycling, and snow. We need more of both.

All right. So, this presentation will go online on our engaged Durango website. Who's been on on there before, right? Okay. Um, we have an engagement website that's about almost two years old, I think, or a year. I can't remember. Two years old, I think. Um, so, uh, it's a has all of our projects on there. anything that we're working on, anything that's really high visibility especially, and then things that we're asking the community for feedback on, that's a great place to find it. So, this will go up under our engaged Durango forum project aisle. Um, if you're curious about the uh having those slides, but in the meantime, uh, does anybody have any questions for Marty about his presentation? Well, u I wondered if you could explain this the water at Lake Nighthorse and um I've heard other presentations that are basically I think critical of the city for not um planning ahead enough and and gathering that water or figuring out how to use that water that we have.

So, a lot of this is before my time. Um, but there you go. Not taking I know. Not taking credit. I also I wanted to use the whole half hour because then I wouldn't have to answer questions.

Um, so so the other name for Lake Nighthorse is the Animus LLA project and that was a federal project. um that there's there's PhD thesis on on that project. Truth be told, I don't know the history of what was occurring during finalizing the analyst LLA project and the infrastructure that was paid for by the federal government, the Bureau of Reclamation and the city or southern U Mount Views, the county, you know, so many entities are involved with that and I truth be told I don't know the details around why a certain amount of infra infrastructure was built out uh under the scope of the federal project and then why communities, you know, did or didn't have the funding to access um that uh that water with piping and pumping infrastructure. So, I sorry that's kind of a non-answer for you, but um it would come down to really what entities were responsible for paying what portion of those infrastructure costs. And then I know that conversation has come up multiple times in our community over the years and I'm sure it will continue to. So um you know it is we have the water rights there. We you know and it's a community conversation about paying installing infrastructure to to access it.

But who who manages that conversation? Um that would be probably at the council city manager level and then also our public works director who oversees our water utilities. or utilities manager, things like that. And is that partnered with Latic County or is it separate from the county? Do you know?

I think it would be separate, right? I mean, every every entity that has storage rights on um on Animus or excuse me um in Lake Nighor would approach that conversation kind of with their own from their own u perspective lens. Yeah. I mean there could be partnerships, right? you could two two groups could pay for the one pipe and then split off of that pipe or something. But um I know those conversations were there was quite a few conversations three or four years ago on that with with council at the time and I just I wasn't personally super involved. So but I've met some people maybe or maybe I don't know guarantees

um two questions. Um, City Reservoir wasn't on your chart when in the wilderness. I've been there. Have you been there? Uh, I have. It's beautiful. Yeah, it's good. It's Yeah. How much does it hold and is it a factor now or I mean I heard it's, you know, small.

It's really small and basically it looks like a h high alpine lake so it has a little bit of an earthn dam. Um, but there's really no storage. And in terms of like controlling the flow out of there, literally you would have people walking up and moving rocks around. Like it's not there's no pipes, pumps, anything like that. So it's really just a high alpine lake and what flows out of there is what flows out of it's any high alpine lake. So that that is the head. For those of you unfamiliar, that basin is the the headarters of the Florida. It's beautiful. And we're and we're at stage one water restrictions now. Yep. And so what what will take us to stage two?

That is an excellent question. So a combination of environmental considerations. So things like snowpack, water levels, monthly precipitation, things like that. But then a lot of it would be things like the inflow of the flora into Lemon. um looking at that graph of like our daily peak withdrawal demand. So when everyone is has their you know is watering the lawn or using their faucets whatever that peak usage is how is that matching our ability to convey that water. So those are some of the main factors is like that those daily usage trends and then um primarily our um what the inflows to the um to lemon on the the Florida are looking at. Those are our main considerations. And I mean obviously we've got a problem this year. Um is that monitored daily? Uh when I mean I'm fully expecting more restrictions. uh that you know I just hate to see the city get behind.

We are like we're not behind. I would say everyone that has anything to do with water in the city is having daily conversations. We have um entire group of um like a communications team on our platforms about um that includes last I counted I think it was 30 or 40 city staff that have different things to do with water. So, we are as aware of this as everyone else in our community. We definitely take it seriously and are keeping our eye on it. Yeah. Thanks, Joe. Well,

uh just a plug for uh uh a tour that my wife and I had this morning with Joe Weiss, the manager of the wastewater facility, uh both water source, water storage, as well as the wastewater facility. Um, call call public works, ask to be put on the tour list. Uh, you welcome red. Thank you. Joe does an awesome job. Joe is awesome. Yeah.

Um, and that's another thing to consider, right? When you when you I'll just put in insert there. When you think about water use, that can look at like a lot of different things in our community. Um, you know, when you are using water in your sink, the water that goes back down the drain does get reclaimed and returned to the Animus. um water that's being used on our parks is being used because hundreds or thousands of people in our community are using those parks to play and recreate every week. So, um I mean we are we're trying to be smart with our water use. Um oh, trees first. I that's a new thing that I learned on a webinar recently is uh if you're looking at water restrictions and you're trying to prioritize if we get into really really tight considerations um don't let your trees die. like water your trees. We want the trees. We don't We are really trying to work together on imposing smart restrictions that deal with this hand that we're dealt as a community.

Um what are stage one water restrictions and how are they being enforced? Do you know them off the top of your head? I do not know them off the top of my head. John, do you know them off the top of your head? our stage one. Yeah, I can answer more specifically later. The generating for resial customers is a three day a week irrigating right now. Come on up here. Come on up here. Oh yeah. Nice try. John. John, is this this your second engaged during a farm or first? Second. Okay. Better. All right.

I'm John Harris. I'm the public works director. So generally speaking, uh, all customers residents from commercial are limited to three-day week irrigation based on your address. If you have an odd number address, it's Monday, Thursday, Saturday, even numbers Tuesday, Friday, Sunday, no irrigating on Wednesday. Uh, common sense things like not washing cars in your driveway, not hosing off your sidewalks and and driveways and things like that as well. There's there's more to it, but those are the big impacts.

How are those being forced? So, we're we're not driving the neighborhoods looking for people that are they're not following the rules. Um, largely it's by folks that are calling us and letting us know and then we'll reach out to those individual customers and just educate them. Oftentimes people just don't know what the restrictions are. Okay, time for one more question. Questions time doesn't answer but or it doesn't end but Michelle I saw your hand up first.

So, I wanted to ask this question for John. is the land use and development code used to cover the hours of irrigation based on a irrigation system, but the stage one restrictions are like somebody with a hose and a sprinkler is or is it just irrigation systems and use the word irrigation? So, I just wanted to clarify that because my my neighbor across the street said, "I have a hose. I have a sprinkler system. Am I restricted?" And I said, "Well, I'll ask the question because shows a gray area. Right. So, one of the questions that I've gotten is why are you imposing this new time restriction? It's not new. As you mentioned, that's been in the land use code for I think more than a decade. Um, I've not been asked the question about whether uh the restrictions apply to an automated irrigation system or a hose. I can tell you that when we go to stage two restrictions, we will limit like hand watering to hoses that have an automatic shut off device like a nozzle. that sort of things that folks just aren't uh you know letting water flow freely from a garden.

So So I've balanced your question, right? Yeah. So I mean honestly if we see somebody that's abusing uh the the policy or the stage one restrictions, we'll make a judgment call. Um thus far that has not come up yet. So you're sticking to an irrigate. It's the land use and development code was specific. It was an irrigation system. Irrigation system. Correct. That would be controlled. We're not preventing people from hand irrigating their plants and trees as Marty mentioned. Okay. I have a question about composting. Can I We'll do We'll do This is the truly last one. Truly last.

All right. I knew I I had a feeling water was going to be the the top um I'll be here just as everyone. So happy to answer questions and um um we'll have our contact information for email and followup as well. So okay. So I I have a private contract with table to farm. I'm I know you guys did some trials with some people. What what is actually going on with the whole composting thing right now with you guys?

Yeah, absolutely. So we have that agreement with Table Farm. Basically, that's um it's a it's a nocost partnership where we um we're just allowed to promote table to farm as folks go-to option. So um other than that, we have some additional contracts with table to farm. We have a lowinccome discount compost service. So that's tied to our we have a utility rebate and food tax program for low-inccome folks. So we tied in the discount compost service to that as well. um that's they get a 90% discount if they want to sign up for table to farm and we also work with table to farm right now on the uh the leaf collection. So those are the main is uh op the the main things. Um it is still opt in and then really what this investigation is really all about and what council tasked us to do it was about a year ago was do this research of what are the ordinance options? What is the community's interest for operating compost or providing or requiring compost service in different ways? What would the cost be associated with that? So really looking at what are the potential options moving from our current so one option could be status quo or different ordinances uh comparable to what we're seeing in other communities. Um and it's there's a lot of different options. That's why we're doing that research first. So

okay, you don't have to stop answering questions. It's just like the open Q&A um with everybody listening to your question and answer is coming to an end. Um what I like to do next is highlight the survey again. Let us know how we did. The evening's not over yet though. And then our engaged Durango website. There's a QR code there on the right. If you've never been there, check that out. Um, and I'm going to go around. I'm going to have us go around the room and I'm going to ask our staff to go to your correct tables, your departmental tables, so people know where to find you. And we're going to do some introductions with our staff in the room. So, if you want to walk around and talk with folks, um, you have some talking points potentially. So, um,

compost survey, too. Yes, compost survey. We'll have that paper out as you're leaving. Yeah, it's going to be out on the table. Um, go to the gauge Durango site as well and you type in compost and it'll come right up. Um, but we'll start over here.