Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

February 4th meeting.

Your your microphone wasn't on. Oh, now it is. Okay. Thank you. The February 4th regular council meeting regular meeting of the Downey Planning Commission will now come to order. And now it's 6:35. Uh please rise and follow U. Commissioner Luhan, would you lead us in the flag salute? And I've asked U Vice Chair Uva she'd lead us in the invocation. Please put your right hand over your heart. Ready, begin. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America [clears throat] and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Great. Well, welcome everyone. Um, invocation. Invocation. Invocation. I'm the one that called for

gracious God, oops, microphone. Sorry. Gracious God, thank you for the city and for the opportunity to serve it. Grant us the wisdom, fairness, and clarity as we consider the matters before us tonight. May our decisions reflect care for our community today and for generations to come. I'd also like to say [snorts] we'd like to send our well wishes and wishing our mayor a speedy recovery and for her family um to guide her and get her back on her feet and back to city hall again. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Okay. So, planning commission secretary Ria, will you please uh do the roll call?

Yes, sir. Commissioner Luhan, present. Commissioner Zali, present. Commissioner Legospi, present. Vice Chair Uva, present. And Chair Gara, I'm here. Thank you. So, this is the time set aside for oral communications from the planning commission. Does any commissioner wish to make an announcement, report a conference, a meeting, or request items for future agenda? And I'll start with uh Mr. Luhan. Am I right? Uh none for me, sir. Mr. I have none. Nothing for me. I have none, sir.

Okay. Um [snorts] my only thing I'm going to read a short little email from our city attorney. Uh Mr. Funk and I had a conversation yesterday. Uh my office is in downtown Downey, but it's farther away from the things we're going to be talking about and it's not within 500 ft. Uh and so it doesn't require my recusal uh of this particular pro uh project. And um there's four things decisions whether that could be impacted if there's a change or termination of my lease, increase or decrease potential rental value of the property, change the officials actual or legally allowable use of property or impact the officials use and enjoyment of the property. So we don't believe there's any yes answers to any of that. So uh I will not be recusing myself and and I have no other reason not to. But I wanted to get that on the record. Uh so we all know that from a downtown standpoint. Okay. So um does the city uh community development department have a report on our any city council action or other updates?

I have none tonight, chair. Okay, great. Um so now will be the time for public hearing. uh the time set aside for public hearing PLN-25-000052 and the site plan review and conditional use permit. Does the planning commission secretary have proof for publication? Yes, I do. Great. Okay. Will the community development director introduce staff making the presentation? Yes. Thank you, Chair Gara. Tonight's presentation will be provided by our senior planner, Abraham Luna, and he has a PowerPoint presentation.

I'm sure Gar um if I may uh interrupt, um u because I live within uh 500 ft of the uh subject uh project. Um I have elected to recuse myself from uh from this um uh from P250 052, sir. Okay. Okay. You could make it up by eating a lot of Greek food on the Greek family. Yes, sir. We'll do. I'll make it up. Thank you. All right. Um, so Mr. Luna, please go ahead, sir.

Good evening, Chair Gara, Vice Chair UVA, members of the planning commission, and members of the public. The item before your consideration tonight is PLN250052 for 10830 Downey Avenue, St. George Greek Orthodox Church. The request from the applicant tonight is for a site plan review and a condition use permit to construct a 1 9,162 ft gymnasium, renovating the existing community center into a multi-purpose hall and add a 2,28 ft second floor classroom area above the existing community center. Before we [clears throat] jump in, I wanted to go over relupa law, which stands for the religious land use in and institutionalized persons act. This law restricts a local government from imposing a land use regulation that places a substantial burden on religious assembly and may not treat a religious assembly on less than equal terms when compared to a non-religious use. In summary, this means the city cannot further restrict religious land uses any more than we would normally apply to other assembly uses in the downtown. So although the specific plan does not list church as a land use, we must review in a similar manner to other assembly uses such as uh commercial recreation facilities. So commercial recreation facilities are allowed in the downtown with a conditioned use permit which is consistent with what we are doing here today. I'm just curious.

Pursuant to chapter 8 of the Danny Municipal Code, a site plan review is required for all new permitted structures on site and a condition use permit is required for the expansion of the church campus which is required for other assembly uses in the downtown. Again, the property is at the intersection of Downey Avenue and Levilla Street and is approximately 2 acres in size. It is currently developed with an existing 10,17t church and with a 6,683 ft community center and again a 2,685t deadly market which is not part of this review. And all those structures are labeled on the screen. As previously mentioned, the property is part of the downtown specific plan and specifically the downtown core subdist. This site has a general plan D designation consistent with the zoning which is mixed use. Some background. Um, the church was established with CP 94-7, which was approved by a plan commission in April of 1994. The approval allowed the construction of a new church and the use of a separate structure for community space, including an admin office and a classroom area. A condition to that approval was requiring the design review board to approve the design which was later done in the year 2000 and eventually built in 2002. During the time of these entitlements, the property was zoned C3 and R2 but later became part of the downtown Danny's facility plan following its adoption. And this is the existing site conditions. You see the church on the left and then also see the um existing

community center to the right with the also existing uh hall of fame market which has been vacant since October of last year. Shown on the screen is the proposed site plan with the existing church and market again not part of this review. The proposed renovation to the existing community center and the addition of the second floor classroom and the proposed gymnasium towards the rear of the property are all shown on screen with the hatch which is shown at the bottom. It's almost as big as

here is the proposed floor plan for the renovated community center. The renovate the the renovation will create a multi-purpose hall for church related activities including wedding receptions, baptisms, funeral services, family night, and Greek dance practice. The multi-purpose hall will be improved with supporting uses such as a kitchen, bathroom, and the elevator leading to the second floor. The [clears throat] second floor will be the new area for classrooms which will serve as as the church's religious school offered at similar times to Sunday service. In addition, the classrooms will also serve as a Greek school which will be offered on Wednesdays and provide an educational service to children of the church members with both. The average classroom size of tenants is between 6 and 25 students. And lastly, the proposed gymnasium at the regular property. The gymnasium will replace an open basketball court that currently exists. The gymnasium will support basketball and Greek dance practice throughout the year.

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The existing church structures uses a combination of Mediterranean revival and Byzantine influence architectural styles. The proposed improvements of the multi-purpose hall, classroom, and gymnasium build upon that and [snorts] complement the existing church structure by using similar materials of limestone brick, clay roof tile, and the rounded art windows. So, in this render, you could see the second floor classroom addition and the renovation of the existing community center, which is now a multi-purpose hall. [snorts] And then on the same screen, uh towards the back, you see the proposed gymnasium. And here's another render of the gymnasium focusing on the entrance from uh Levida Street. The proposed layout will maintain the existing site access points from Downey Avenue and Levida Street and improve on-site circulation and parking. [snorts] And on the screen, it illustrates the circulation that will occur.

Mr. Luna, is that uh Levia Street, is that there now? I don't know if I recall that the

the access to it. Yes, it is. It is there. Okay. I didn't know that. I didn't realize that. So parking for the church campus in the downtown specific plan is calculated at one parking space for every five people determined by the occupancy of occupancy load of the religious assembly. This occupancy load is based on the total pew length of 576 ft with every 18 in counting as a seat. Based on this standard, the church campus requires 77 parking spaces. In addition, the site has an existing deadly market which requires one space for every 500 ft of area requiring six spaces in total. The project exceeds the minimum parking required of 83 uh parking spaces and provides a total of 107. The site will also receive landscape and lighting improvements throughout the parking area. The site will include new drought to tolerant plants and trees to improve the site aesthetics and function. And in summary, these are some development standards that were reviewed for this project in relation to the downtown core subdist. All standards shown are in compliance with the specific plan. A trip generation memo was prepared for this project and concludes that the additional gymnasium does not increase daily roadway capacity. The trip generation memo accounted for the proposed operation of the church campus being that the same members of the church will also be the same users of the gymnasium and multi-purpose hall. [snorts] And since the existing church seating capacity will not increase, attendance will remain the same as the

existing conditions. So there is no impact to the daily trips. Abraham, so not on yet. Not on yet. Okay. So that trip generation memorandum, what is that used to help calculate? Does it affect the parking? So it's used to calculate um trip duration for on for for the streets surrounding not really the parking itself. So how many visits visits does [clears throat] that use trigger to that site. Got it. Okay, that makes total sense. Got it.

And again because the increase of uh pew length which is determined by how many people can attend the church that's not increasing so there is no impact.

Got it. Thank you for that. This project was reviewed with our development review committee and standard conditions were added by police, fire and the building safety division. As noted on the previous slide, public works and planning did conditions in the staff report to ensure that no third party organization uses the ans facilities uh concurrent or separate. And I'll discuss some conditions also that we added uh between the report and now the project was categorically exempt by SQA under class 32 which applies to infill projects that are consistent with the city's general plan and zoning that are less than 5 acres and show no significant effects to traffic, noise, air, and water quality. A public notice was published in the Danny Patriot newspaper and sent to all property owners and tenants within five 500 feet on January 22nd. No opposition was received for this project. So these are the conditions that we amended. Um they are labeled in your resolution as conditions number 17, 23 and 35. So for 17, we added the condition for all parking spaces abuing the perimeter walls shall provide wheel stops allowing a twoft vehicle overhang into the front of the parking stall. So that would create like a almost like a buffer between uh the perimeter fencing of the adjacent property and the parking space itself in addition to the landscape that is surrounding the um perimeter. 23 in red was added a solid masonry wall matching the existing perimeter block wall and no more than seven feet in height above the finished grade shall be

constructed and maintained along the easternly property line. All other masonry walls per permanently maintained along the church property boundaries which adjoin the residential developments. Such masonry walls when constructed or repaired shall be in compliance with the DMC. So currently there exists no uh perimeter wall on the eastern east side where the multif family abuts the parking area of the church. So we added this condition to create that barrier. And in 35 we added at the very end of that condition construction hours shall be limited to 7:00 a.m. and 7:00 p.m. Monday through Saturday and no construction shall occur on Sunday. And these conditions were explained to the applicant right before this meeting and it seems like they are in concurrence with what the conditions say.

Just just for the record on the last one out there, we're going to bring that back someday to hopefully maybe change that. So that's normal because right now it's up till 9 and 7 days a week. So someday we'll discuss it is what I'm saying. Yes, chair. The code allows for 7 days a week construction 7 days a week and uh 7 to 9:00 p.m. Uh but more recently projects that have sensitive uses we've evaluated at the commission level on a project uh case by case basis. Um but yes, our intent as staff is when we bring forth other code amendments that are in the works that we will evaluate include this um to to ensure that sensitive uses are are protected.

Okay. I'm I'm impressed that you got this in red in 10 minutes or less. [laughter] So, congratulations on that. So, so 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. or 7. This is correct here. The 7:00 p.m. The code says 9 and we discussed it because we've done this before on there. [clears throat] We always felt especially when you see the photos of the the housing is right next to it to have construction at 8:30 at night never makes sense. So,

Chair Garrett, can I add a couple of sentences here for context for the commission and those in the audience? Uh, since the preparation of the report was issued, uh, staff was made aware of, uh, some, uh, changes that we're proposing right now in red on the PowerPoint that you, if we can put it up. Um so these uh these are proposed uh revisions by staff that we would like the planning commission to consider uh amending those uh three conditions as uh if this uh item were to carry forward with with uh staff's recommendation.

Thank you. Last slide recommendation. In conclusion, the staff recommends that the planning commission approveves resto 26-460 to allow the expansion of the church campus with the added conditions of approval as seen on the previous slide. Thank you. I'm available for any questions. [laughter] So, thank you so much. Before I open the public hearing and call the applicant or the representative for this would be a good time for planning commissioners uh will to disclose to anyone. First of all, let me ask uh is there any further questions of staff at this time? So, I got a question. Yes, sir. Um the the deli it's not being uh proposed at all.

It's not part of uh being part of the church campus. No. Uh it's still remaining vacant at this time. But it's it is within the 2.3 acres, right? Correct. It lives within that same property. It's uh the entire Delhi community center and church and proposed gymnasium is one property. Yes. Okay. So you're just not touching the deli at this time. Exactly. Correct. Okay. Thanks. Is so those things that read those are this discussion items we talked about like the ballards for around the the perimeter or do you have did you put the photos in here or you couldn't get them up in time?

I did add a photo for context for what was seen and this is regarding the eastern property lighting. Yeah. So, um, Miss UVA and I, Vice Chair UVA and I have this running joke that we keep running into each other at different job sites that are proposed and we don't even talk about the date. We just happen to run into each other and we missed each other by half an hour on Saturday here. I rode my bike there. So, I took this photo and and that was one of the things you added was to have some kind of ballard. This is, you know, perfectly wellkept. It just seems dangerous that a car could go through there into somebody's living room or whatever in the back. So that's the that was the second condition that you added in there. Is that that's for this, right? It is. Yes.

And then the the other wall that's got the concrete block, it's got those white things. Maybe I'll ask the applicant what those things are u and so forth because I don't think that they're I don't think they're ballored. So I don't know what what's happening on that wall. Correct. I think the applicant would be better suited to answer that question of what they are. And and to piggyback on Mr. Cycl's question on there. So this has nothing to do with the market, right? And but they own the the the church owns the building for the market, correct? Yes, they own the entire So they can do whatever they want with they didn't leave it open. Okay, I'll ask Oh, it's the same [laughter] person coming back. Okay. Um Okay. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Any further questions, Mr. Cycling? Yeah. Uh on on on this photo here, um it looks like it's missing something. uh either bowlards or it's missing the uh the wheel stops both uh from preventing um a mistake from happening. You end up somebody's front whatever that is. Correct. Yeah. Um is there any modification to do something? So this is exactly the reason why we added these conditions to one install on the easterning property line a uh perimeter block wall to have that okay separation. And so that's condition number 23. And in condition number 17 installs the wheel stops.

Okay. Thank you. These these are result of my photos. I met with staff before that. Usually the chair and then the future chair will meet with the staff before and I showed him the photos and that's why I was so impressed that he was able to get these conditions in red. I mean literally met with them at 5:30 today. So that's and that's what these things are. And the same thing on the other uh perimeter wall here too. Is this the perimeter is the only option that there's available right now? Uh for example, the is is this residential on the other side on on that property? It is residential. Yes. Okay. So So now the the residents on the other side are started looking nice looking church. They're going to look at a wall.

It is the other the other wall the other one serves a wall too. The other the other side they're they're different concrete blocks. You don't have that photo I sent you, huh? I don't have the other photo with the white uh the white thingies on. Right. Okay. The the photo shown here where a block wall will be improved. So the condition reads to maintain the existing height of a block wall which is on this northern side. So maintain that height but no more than 7 ft. No, I understand. So you're going to put a you put you're going to put in a seven foot wall right here in front of these residents. Right. Correct.

Any other provisions? I mean you can you can put um the intention is obviously either for for uh um safety issues or too show them this. So sorry I lost my train of thoughts. Uh or is it uh private issue?

I can uh I can uh answer that question. Um, Commissioner Sychi, the question being is is there did staff consider any other alternative other than recommending to modify the condition to add a block wall in the air? You can keep the photo up in the area where the um we were just showing on the screen here. uh when it was brought to staff's attention that uh this was a condition uh we did uh we are bringing forward the recommendation to modify the condition to require a block wall. Uh the question being your question being is there another alternative. Uh there could be another alternative if the commission wanted to consider and recommend another alternative and revise staff's recommendation for revised condition. So, uh, for example, um, the example that you brought up, is there anything else? Instead of seeing a church, they're going to see a block wall. Uh, if if it was a desire of the commission to consider, for example, the planting of a hedge, uh, instead of a block wall, um, that could be considered by the commission. Uh, with every alternative, there comes pros and cons. The the con potentially of a hedge is who maintains a hedge? The hedge becomes overgrown. The hedge is not a very solid barrier for sound, for activity, uh families coming in and out, cars, um uh trespassing, uh a little bit of a noise barrier, a more solid noise barrier being with the block wall. It is very typical for a non-residential project to be required to have a block wall. That's why staff brought when it was brought to our attention, that's why we revised it with the block wall condition. But if it's the desire of the commission during your deliberation to change uh to to something else, um I I think staff would welcome uh whatever you deliberate and then I would just ask that that be

discussed uh during the public hearing with the applicant uh to ensure that there's uh concurrence on on evaluating the alternatives. Thank you. Another question if I may. Mr. Show you this is the other wall. It's just a whole bunch of block walls that does have carriers. [clears throat] So that's that's the one and that's the one we're talking about. All right. Thank you. Another question. Uh the landscape area uh who maintains that? Is it to the residential side or is it the property on the parking lot side? who owns that piece of land.

This will be the residential side from what I'm hearing from the applicant. Uh the parking I guess barrier may be the property line if I'm not mistaken. So yes, is it being the property line that landscape area is maintained by the residential residential? Correct. Okay. So there's an potential options instead of putting a 7 foot wall where these people enjoying the view of their landscape and the church on the other side. Um maybe consideration of a rot iron fence. That'll be up to

uh Commissioner Scy. I think those are alternatives. Um I think uh we're happy to answer questions, but as far as changing the revised recommended condition, uh we'd be looking to the commission on what your collective uh deliberation brings forward. Do you want us direct us to change the condition? Uh again uh during deliberation I think it's appropriate for among the commissioners to see what you would like us to uh change it to or stay with the block wall. But I think also um the applicant uh should also have uh during public comment have input on uh the revised conditions as well.

Okay. I'm just also curious uh did anyone um meet with these residents regarding we're going to build a block wall? What would they think? You know, did did they take any consensus of you know I really don't like a wall. Can you can I still want to see through? Is anybody talk to the people?

Commissioner Sylli, this was uh this uh property condition was brought to our attention uh as uh Chair Gara mentioned about an hour before our meeting. Uh so uh we did not have that discussion with the uh property owners. Um I think during the public uh comment we may also learn if there's anyone from uh surrounding uh I I don't know if there's folks in the audience that may be here to speak that live that are not the applicant that live nearby. So I think it's important to see if there's anybody here. uh the plans uh and the report were available for public review and if I can confirm with uh senior planner Luna that there wasn't any inquiries made to staff uh about re any questions related to the report that we've issued or the plans. We always have them available for public view. Uh we didn't have any inquiries during the public comment period when we sent the notice.

Mr. I I I share your concerns. I I don't care what it is. It needs to be fortified so it's safe. Sure. That's so I don't care if it's rot iron or concrete block on there and and to I mean I'm if I lived in those apartments there, I'd be scared to death that a crazy old guy like me that puts his foot in the wrong pedal and goes through somebody's living room. Right. Of course. So there needs to be something. And then on the other part too, I don't know if I want people looking in on my living room, but I don't live there. Right. they already moved in there and knew that too. So there's 61 half dozen, but I didn't bring up the block wall. I brought up a safety and it could be either one, whatever the committee commission wants to do. So thanks.

And just to add, everybody was notified within 500 ft. So I think if there are an audience, we we could hear them. Uh but but I think it definitely if if the if the uh client already wants something like that, it's a going with it. The safety is a big one. Right.

So, is there is there a potential for us to before we make a a final decision regarding the design issue, not regarding the the renovation issue, as far as having a block wall, um is there potential for us to discuss this issue with the residents, see what they think. Uh design could be changed in any time from a block wall to right iron to to boulders and what have you. Uh you can put a retaining curb, for example, 3 ft high and what have you. So, there's and you put a K rail. There's all kinds of options out there, but which one's more presentable and provides a safety to the residents. At the same time, uh you don't sacrifice the the visual look of the church. Um again, maybe this is would be uh a time uh for just from a design purpose only to maybe take a look at this options with the residents. What would they like to see? Commissioner, if I could just supplement what um our community development director mentioned, this is the forum to do that. This is the forum to discuss with the neighbors and the residents on the type of material that they would like to see for that perimeter fence. Um as she mentioned, the notice was already sent to the tenants and the property owners within that building. the plans as well as the staff report has been available for the past 10 days for I'm sorry for the uh since Friday. Um they received the notice on January 22nd. So if there were any concerns from the residents then this would be the the um the moment that the commission could deliberate amongst themselves as well as any concerned residents as soon as the chair opens this item for public hearing uh public comment.

Thank you. Is it also is there can we have that same discussion on the other side because those are mainly concrete block wall but there's some wooden fences there and there's nothing there's I mean there actually there is a flooring on the on the parking spot one of those stoppage but it looks I don't know what those white things are but um maybe we can ask the applicant when the applicant gets up there so and we can deliberate more on that so okay great thank Thank you. Um uh before we open up the public hearing and call the applicant of the representatives, this would be um Wait a second. Did I already I already opened the public hearing, didn't I?

Okay. Okay. The public hearing is now open. So, and before we call the representative, this would be a time for the planning commissioners to disclose any prehering sites or prehering discussions that the commissioners have had about this project. So, anybody? None for me. Um, I did I visited the property on Saturday and I was um I met with the president of the church, uh, FEMI, who I I was able to talk to him a little bit.

Okay. I went there half an hour after she did and I didn't talk to him. Uh, but I rode my bike and I took a lot of photos there. So, and I'm not charging the city city for my photo there in the using the PowerPoints at all. Um, okay. So, um, will the represent So, thank you. Okay. Will a representative applicant or the representative please come forward to give testimony?

Hi commissioners. My name is Chloe Andrews on behalf of Helios Development Group. Um as you can tell we're a development group of Greeks because Helios means sunshine in [laughter and gasps] Greek. Um anyways this is uh FEMI the president of the church and Father Tom um also representing the church. First, I'd just like to thank you for giving us the time to present to you. And also big thank you to Abraham. You've been a a big help in this whole process from the day we came to the counter when Semi called us to say, "Let's let's do this." And we we uh picked your brain for about an hour to figure out what we could do. And of course, Ria, you know, as being a part of our church community as well and and being a part of the Downey City community, you've been nothing but helpful. So, thank you. We appreciate it. Um, first I I just wanted to address what you were your concern about the block wall. Abraham called us at around 5:30 to notify us of the condition. Um, and I'd be more than happy to meet with the multif family owner um to find a solution that works for both parties involved. That's not a problem at all. So, we'll find something that makes them happy. Although their front row seat to the Greek festival will be uh will be unfortunately ruined. They can't just hop out of their window onto the dance floor. Um, something that Abraham mentioned, the market is not included. So, I just wanted to emphasize that. Um, and the conditions that you guys sent us over look great. So, no comment there from us. Um, and with that being said, that's all for me. I'll pass it over to Father Tom if you want to say something. [laughter]

Well, it's a pleasure to be here and uh thank you very much for the time and thank you for the for the work that the planning commission did. Um at we can't emphasize enough that all we're trying to do is modernize our existing space. We really um our hall's old. It's a little clunky. It was built I don't know I think in the '60s or whenever it was originally built. We've renovated it here and there and it'd be nice to make a more functional space with the existing um space. And then uh just making a more functional campuswide program. We have an outdoor basketball court. We want to make it uh an indoor gym. Um and uh I think our families that uh use the court and the hall will appreciate this. So um we look forward to working with the city and moving forward with this. So thank you very much for the time.

Good evening. Femi pretty much covered everything I would say. So I'll just say thank you very much for your consideration. Um, I've been at this church for five years. And I do want to say something. I've lived in many cities, even the city that I grew up in, [clears throat] and I have never met people so proud of their city as the parishioners of St. George. Every function we go to, they know that it's not even St. George, it's Downy's here. And so, um, with that said, I know that a lot of our parishioners are very active members of the community and very supportive of the community and and, um, and I know that the community has been very supportive of us and so we thank you for your consideration and that's all.

Thank you. I was mayor when you guys opened up your church and I was one of the ones that got the tour on there. Was it Father John? Is that your pastor on there? Yeah. Where's Father John at now? So, Father John was elevated. He is now a bishop of the church and he is living in San Francisco and so he is actually the chancellor for the metropolis of San Francisco which is about seven states and so and he still has a home in and he still has his home in Downey and he plans to retire in Downey but until he comes back I stay there. So [laughter] tell him the old former mayor says hello if you ever talk to him out there great I became friends with him.

Um okay I will this time there's any questions. I have a couple but I'll let it up to my fellow commissioners. I I have a question. Does the gym going to be rented out?

No, that's part of our conditions of approval. Um that it won't won't be leased to a third party. It's just for church use. So that's something that we told Abraham that he was surprised to hear. Uh in the Greek community, uh there's something called Goya, which is the Greek basketball league. Um and it's it's a huge deal. In fact, I'm currently pregnant with my husband George and our first baby [laughter] and we're having a boy and we told our friends and the first thing that our Greek friends said was, "Oh, great. We got to start the Goya League." And I was like, "Well, we have a couple years." So, just goes to show um growing up in the Greek community, you compete against all the other Greek churches in volleyball, Greek dance, um and basketball. And actually this weekend, um they're all going to or next weekend they're all going to Arizona for a big festival for Greek dance. And it's like all the churches from all over the country come and compete and it's just one big Greek festival. So to answer your question, it'll be used for the church.

So that was your condition, not the cities. I'm sorry. That was your condition you put on yourselves that you're not going to rent it out. Uh no, that's from the city.

Oh, we did that? Okay. Is that something you'd like to change or is that changed everything? Chair, if you're um asking staff, one of the things that the trip generation memo uh mentioned as well as the parking analysis mentioned was that the gymnasium as well as the multi-purpose halls will be utilized by the uh parishioners who go who visit the church and then part of the families would be either using the gymnasium or the multi-purpose hall. Therefore, the number of parking spaces or even the trips are not being increased uh because they're going to be used by the same group of people who are visiting the church. Um also your question about uh whether the facilities can be rented out or not. Um as as Mr. Luna mentioned in his report um a part of the reason why the church campus is being allowed to be expanded is the religious land use act. And so um the intent is for these uh facilities to serve the church but not necessarily be open for uh private rental. Well, renting it out serves the church if they have income with it, but [laughter] you know, so they is that something you guys would like to discuss or is that

Absolutely. Yeah. There's days where the church is just sits there, right, and no one's using it. You know, tonight is Greek school, so when we were there getting ready for the meeting, there's there's kids running around, they're doing Greek dance practice, but come tomorrow night, no one will be there for doing anything. So, yeah, I mean, it's how does that how do we discuss that possibly? because I I see, you know, I mean, again, I I go by there a lot, just about every day, and a lot of times, aren't there? I mean, Saturday, you guys had a dance class going on there or something going on in there. I talked to some of the kids, but I, you know, there's two cars in the whole parking lot on Saturday, even when you had that. So anyways,

so in order for us to do this where we allow a third party organization to rent out [clears throat] the church's facilities, a revised trip generation memo will be need to be prepared because the trip generation memo uh consider the operation that was proposed by the applicant to the city which was only church members will be using the church facilities not the church members and third party could use it simultaneously where there's two impacts of uh daily trips, right? It's one group coming to use the gymnasium, third party organization, versus only the church using it. There's an impact to that, too.

But what I I heard about the Greek community, you're going to have people coming from all over from Greek communities, so not necessarily the Downey Greek community. So, I don't know how how did you factor that? In other words, if you're saying they can rent it out to Greeks only, you [laughter] know, so if they have a basketball league, isn't that okay for, you know, for the the Goya League? What I'm saying is it doesn't is it only for the people that are members of this community only? It it is members for who are part of the Greek church? Yes.

Okay. So if you're a member of the Greek church but not this Greek church, are you allowed to come and play basketball there?

Chair, we um we are certainly not issuing that as a condition of approval where it's only for this church versus not. Uh we did actually sit down with the applicant. They were very passionate and they explained to staff this the same um um scenario that they're explaining to you that there are leagues and the leagues actually rotate at different churches. And what was also explained to us is that the current basketball court is utilized and the the purpose of the gymnasium was to actually cover the existing basketball court. So it's not that the existing um we're not expecting any expansion or um uh additional impact from covering the existing basketball court. So if there are leagues that uh currently visit the court, they would just simply continue to visit the court.

So So my issue coming from the church segment, okay? And I've built two halls, okay? And and one of and one of the two was very it the potential church income is very important to them at a certain times or not and you're having I mean in other churches you can have kinieras or birthday parties or whatever. I'm just saying why are we limiting them and I get I can't you know the traffic things I like what she said earlier there's days that nobody's there. So I'm just saying how do we make this and we don't I guess have to decide this tonight but what happens after we put any conditions or this passes tonight we're never going to talk about this again. So the church for them to come back two years from now and saying hey we want to rent it out that's almost impossible from a city perspective and everything else. So how do we have this discussion because I I don't they could do whatever they want but I don't want to limit them that they can't ever do that.

Yeah. Chair Garrett, my suggestion at this point since there's a mutual interest from the applicant and the commission to expand the use to allow essentially would be a commercial recreation type use where rentals are allowed is to continue this item uh to a date uncertain. We will uh do our work on our side to try to bring this item as quickly as possible to us to not cause any further delays for the applicant so that we can go uh back and look at the land uses uh speak to our public works team about the trip generation memo and we can bring back an expanded analysis uh and recommendation on that portion. But I think the feedback provided by the commission today is very helpful. Again, if there's collective uh from all the commissioners or majority to want to move forward with expanding it, then my recommendation is to continue this item. If the applicant is amunable to it, we're open to that as well.

So, I'm going to ask the applicant that question on there. So, knowing what you know now, do you want us to bring this item up today and decide it? Uh or would you like to work with them to see about that possibility? cuz if we approve this today, we probably can't approve you having that option, which is something, you know, that's pretty serious stuff from your perspective if I were you, but we can can we give and we can promise you that the our staff is great. They'll expedite it. So, I don't know if this delays it, you know, a couple weeks or what it does for you. So, the intent right now is not to rent it out to outside parties,

right? But if it turns out that the needs of the community change, we could always come back. But right now, we're okay with the conditions as they are. Okay. If we came back, it' be a separate planning commission hearing and we could deal with it then. It

it'll be almost impossible for you in the future. Once you get the building up and everything else, it's going to be very difficult. That's the only reason I hesitate. But you're you know, knowing what you know, it's up to you. Okay. I'll do whatever from that perspective. But it's it's really hard to come back after you've given these conditions and now you come back two or three years later, you're like, "Hey, this this is a beautiful building. What a great thing for us to rent out." And then that's another it'll take a year or two for you to go through that process. So, I'm just leaving it up to you.

Yeah. and chair uh Garrett and the commission and the applicant. Just procedurally, if I can clarify, if there is a request from an applicant to amend an existing conditional use permit, we have a an amendment to a conditional use permit request application that has a lower fee than the fee than they paid uh this time. Uh so um there is procedurally uh a process in place where an application can be uh just modify a portion of the operations. Um how much is that fee from memory? It's half of what was paid and how much was paid? 7,000

and change. So 3500 to $4,000. Correct. As long as you guys know that. So, we'll leave it up in your hands whether you want us to go forward tonight or do you want to delay a little bit? You know, of course, there's four planning commission members here. If I knew it, you guys were going to vote. Uh, and there was a possibility of it. I I would say sure, we'd love to have the option, but to be honest with you, I don't think the attorney and the director are going to be happy with that because it's got to be studied. And I I think well, to be honest with you,

themselves in the foot that you shouldn't make your decision on that. And and with all due respect, we'd love our attorney. We love our community direct and so forth. Yeah. But you know, that's just something to discuss on there. We ultimately make that decision within the law, whatever the parameters they come up with. But if I don't want that, you know, they're great people. I don't want that. Oh, they may be upset with you to be your decision. So, and and and I think they would say the same thing, right?

Yeah. And if I can clarify from the as a director and from a staff point of view, uh this is part of what we do is work with our commission. We hear their recommendation from the applicant. Uh we haven't concluded the public hearing. We hear from the public. Um, but we welcome the opportunity to continue working with the applicant to u address what uh their business needs are, their operational needs, and to bring this item as quickly as possible back to the commission if that's the desire of the applicant and the commission.

I mean, if it was up to the commission, and it is, it sounds like, of course, we'd like the option to rent it out responsibly, and it could be of value to the whole community, not just us, too, of course. So, we'll let the commission decide that, but of course, we'd love the option to rent it out. Okay. But we'll leave that up to you. We trust that.

So, to do that, we would we we would probably want to continue this so the staff can make that work and and continue it. So, it's not a bad thing, you know. I mean, I don't know how on there, but that could be something that we can bring it back. Um, I mean, we can have the rest of the commission ask any questions now before, you know, if you have that. But, you know, hey, listen, I, you know, I'm I'm a clergy, so man, having the availability [laughter] to rent that, man, it's like, you know, it's Yeah, they're slow months, man. That really helps. [laughter]

Um, I want to throw another uh scenario at you if you don't mind. Um I belong to Holy Cross Church in Fullerton and we have a youth group and adults and we have also the younger generations. We created basketball team. Um how do you feel if other Catholics uh would come into your church and we'll we're not going to be renting the the basketball court. We're going to be providing with a u a contribution to the church from our team. Is that something? And and don't let it stop at at the at my church. Could be other churches might be want to come to your after you fix your facility. It looks so nice. Something to consider.

I think number one obviously the income would help but more importantly, you know, as we want to be good members of the community. So if if and probably staff and you know more about you know how all that would work, we're open to that. I mean with open arms we welcome anyone. Um, but there we do want a decision tonight and it sounds like you're at least open to the idea of studying it. And our idea was we don't have that intent right now, but if we showed you we were good, you know, neighbors, good community members for a year or two, we could always come back and ask you for, you know, to look at it closely. I appreciate

So, you're you're changing what we thought. So, you want us to make a decision tonight without you renting it out? No. Or do you want us to postpone it for a couple weeks? No, we want you to make a decision tonight. Okay. On what's in front of you? If we have needs, we'll come back and do it at a separate meeting. Am I understanding that right, Madame Director? Miss Director, don't know what's that director. Director, uh, we want to get a decision tonight. Okay. So,

I think I think I don't, you know, I'm not speaking for all of them, but I think you would have a positive decision if you wanted to wait and come back and possibly have that in your back pocket. But I'm leaving it up to you. If you want to make a decision tonight, it seems like most people up here, and I'm not voting for them, are favorable to either way. That's what I'm hearing. But I think our our only hesitation is just the amount of time uh for the study and the turnaround time. We do have some elder uh parishioners who have been a part of this church community since the very beginning and their their wish is to see this project get started. That's why we started this project. So we are um worried about a time.

Yeah. So how long if you did that? How what's your time frame?

If I can there's a couple of unknowns. Uh just in the spirit of transparency in the process I I I can promise that we'll be as efficient as possible as staff. I know we would have a revised trip generation memo. Uh just off the top of my head, it likely we'll have to look at uh a parking analysis from a consultant that looks at the shared parking uh offset hours. Just how parking would be met given that there's a commercial component that we would have to make some assumptions. We would have to know from the applicant how many times a year they plan to rent, what type group sizes. So again, not impossible. This is what we do. we look at studies um but given given that I can't predict how much time because I we would need to know uh how long it would take for the applicant to provide those additional studies that we would need. Um and as staff we haven't evaluated that information to bring back a recommend a revi a new recommendation to the commission. I can't guarantee that it would be the same commission. I'm not saying that it wouldn't. I hear the desire of the commission. Our goal would be to be as practical as possible take over a year evaluating

because we're like I No, I'm not saying I didn't specify a time. Um but if the applicant is asking for certainty, I can't specify a time. Could it be a couple of months, a few months? Yes.

Um again, I I I don't know what I don't have yet before me and my team. Um, but I I just want to be transparent and just let you know that we would be as practical as possible as staff as you have mentioned that Abraham and the rest of the team have been with you. Um, and then one thing I also wanted to note, um, if the change the applicant wanted to make request this change later, we would do this be doing the same thing. We would be evaluating the new information provided to us so we can bring it back to the commission.

Could we talk and walk at the same time? Could we um could the planning commission recommend you know if they went forward and do this and can one of the conditions were that on the same walking track together you evaluate that? Is that something that we can make as one of the conditions that you're doing both? And then the appropriate process to change the operational uh request which is the foundation of this land use application would be to continue the item. Okay. I don't think we should do that.

Okay. I think we should um decide what's in front of us today and if the applicant wants to come in pursue the issue that we talked about I think it's a great idea would generate some revenue for the church they'll come in let them come in on their own uh time and that's what I'm saying but can it be done at the same time why can't we approve this and then saying that the applicant's coming in to take a look at that yeah but we don't want to make it mandatory for them to come in oh no no that would be their choice right

no we would approve it based on that with their choice to come in. But what I'm saying is can that happen before? So, you know, I know construction construction overrides you guys are going to get down to the last two months and you're 15 20% over budget and you're like, man, we can use some more income. I built a many projects. I I I get it. I get it. On their way to your first meetings with a contractor, all that stuff. You guys know that. So all I'm saying is to have that option that they could do that now and have that in their back pocket. But you know I'll do whatever the planning commission wants to do. But I just thought but from a legal standpoint is that okay? Could that happen as one of the condition now the conditions but can we approve it as is and then them them coming at the same time is that and then you could be looking at that they can do pay their fees and doing whatever but then they could still be they could break ground. They could do all this stuff. They could keep moving, but the only thing that would happen because I don't think it would change anything in the design. Maybe different parking or different something, but then they can come back at the same time. Do they have to wait till the building is complete to try to get that part of it?

No, they don't have to wait. The planning commission could make a a decision based on the information provided tonight. The applicant tomorrow could file an amendment application requesting the rental ability as a commercial space and they can be working on what's on tonight's report and they can be working and filing tomorrow a new application as I mentioned earlier. That's awesome. I think that's just a great thing if that's what you guys you know you know Mr. chair and commissioners, maybe I can just clarify from what I see and and um my

interpretation of it is it really a two-step process. I think what you're asking is to leave it up to the the applicant to return to make this request um you know for a change or an additional condition to be inserted into the existing conditions. But the decision tonight is a standalone decision perhaps. Maybe that's a good way to characterize it. Um, it's based on the application as it's been submitted to the commission and reviewed by city staff and based on the recommendation of city staff. And so the decision you're making tonight is on that application um as unchanged and not amended by any further condition. Um, what you're suggesting would be a step at least, you know, subject to the director's comments. um what you're suggesting would be a step taken by the applicant after the decision is made tonight by the planning commission if they wish to take that step, but it wouldn't be mandated or um imposed as a condition of tonight's decision.

Sure. But I I think what I want is a caveat that our staff can work both ways. That's that's what I would like to possibly see. Great. We approve it. If we approve it, and I'm again, I'm speaking to, you know, for my fellow commissioners and they could vote however they want, but if we approve this tonight and then they come in tomorrow, they could still keep going on this and then bring up the plans to keep going on that. But I I kind of want that maybe not as a condition, but as a caveat or something. How do we how do we get it that that's kind of like the wishes or chair Gar? Yeah,

if I may because I I I I will be staff working with the applicant to to [laughter] do this. Um I'm happy to work with the applicant starting tomorrow if they wish to explore this option just to kind of get the ball rolling and get staff's perspective on what we would analyze and what uh changes would be made to the project. Ultimately though, if the commission wishes to make a decision today and move the project forward, which is I believe what Helios and St. George wants to do today. That'll be, you know, what staff will do tomorrow, starting tomorrow, to, you know, work with them to discuss what changes can occur, what impacts it may have to parking, trip generation.

I appreciate that. That's a promise without a promise that your work on it. That's that's all I think I was kind of looking at. So, that's that's a great answer from my perspective on there that you know. So, are you guys comfortable with that? Absolutely. We we appreciate um you wanting to help us even more [laughter] all of you. Um uh one of the reasons why we do want a decision today is we have built a little bit of momentum around this in our in our in our community fundraising. We want to get a certain dollar amount so we can break ground. So uh the solution you've come up with is wonderful for us because

we can work and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. We'll just stay with the original plan. But if it works out and we can make it happen, that is even better for us. So, we appreciate not only the discussion, but the way this all ended up. So, thank you.

You see the hall at St. Raymond's. I was in [clears throat] charge of that. And we built it on time, under budget, and beautiful and so forth. [laughter] Yeah. And and we didn't want to rent it out on there originally cuz, you know, the the eagle gets in the way. Oh, we got this. And about a year and a half, two years after this beautiful hall, everybody's like, "Okay, you know, it's time to rent it out. Let's do that." And that's that's helped sustain that church for many years. So, um, and then when you build the anything on there, put make sure you get the uh uh the wireless antenna and get three grand a month for [laughter] it. Okay. That helps you on that. Um, okay. Any other um one last question from me. So, in So, the walls I have another your other wall. Okay. Okay, we have the one in the back that we saw the picture there. Your other walls on there, they're not coordinated different concrete block walls and stuff. There's like a white upside down barrel on each one. Okay. What is that?

Yeah. So, the the property owner of the duplexes, he actually is a member of the parish um a couple of those duplexes and he I think he's growing tomatoes or something. He that's that's his land. That's his pimmons. Yeah. The

white upside down barrels. So those white that's just covering the electrical outlets cuz he sprays them with water but that can be easily removed. And I think that the idea that that those electrical outlets are for the festival that we have so we have power in the parking lot. I think when we do our project we may you know find a better solution for those electrical outlets. Well, I was more concerned about the safety because it doesn't look like some of those concrete blocks. I think one or two of them are even wood or whatever they anyways. It's just and and I guess I don't I'm not going to make the condition. You have the car stoppage on there, but that wall is pretty ugly, you know, and you're going to do a new beautiful thing. Your your renderings look great. And you do a whatever you decide on the back, whether it's rod iron or concrete block, that'll be beautiful. on there and then the other wall is pretty ugly. Just thought I'd be honest with you. But, you know, I don't think that's a condition to make it pretty, but that's something you might want to do. But is there any more from a safety standpoint those upside down things? Those are electrical.

So, I'm I'm actually when Abraham called me, I happened to be at the church, so I went over there with my flashlight and I [clears throat] don't know if he picked up the bucket, but it's already waterproofed. Like, it's covered. So, I'm not not quite sure why he has the buckets there. I think just Yeah. So uh the the power is cut off uh all the time except for during the festival. Okay. So there is no current running through there.

The reason why we put the they're basically they're cheese plastic cheese buckets from the festival that we put over so that they don't get corroded with rain and stuff. That's the reason why. It's not because they're trying to stop a a short or anything like that. When the festival turns on, we go into the main breaker. we turn on the festival that lights up that whole area. But to Khloe's point, since that whole space is, you know, with the gym and all that stuff, our festival footprint is going to change and it will also change that part, which will also go through an approval process and as a part of this. So,

okay, I'm just hoping that number one, from a safety standpoint, that you don't have cars that just go over the little hump and go into it, and number two, that you know what's underneath there kind of thing. So, those are my concerns, but okay. Any other questions? Vice Chair UVA. Sure. Um, when it when approved, um, which we hope it will be, um, when do you plan on starting construction? This year? Oh, wow. It's already February. Um, probably late this year, I would think, Steve. Yeah. Yeah. We're starting to get our structural engineering bids and working drawings put together so we can get that started as soon as possible. So, you will have a festival this year, it sounds like. Yeah.

And then during the construction, will you still have your your festival? Do you think you'll be able to? We're working on it. Okay. [laughter] Uh we know that depending on what will be available to us on our property, but then do we go to maybe another location and have St. Rams has a nice hall. We'll go to St. Rings. [laughter] I'm not there anymore. Um uh so um we're [laughter] we believe it or not, we've already started thinking about when we're under construction, what what is it going to look like and what we're going to do.

Okay. What I love about what I love about your church just in all the years I've lived in Downey is you do so many wonderful things for your youth. Um you know, your dance group and your different sports things. And I just I've always admired the church for keeping the youth involved and having them active and there Saturday when I was there. I don't know there was probably 15 20 young teenage kids there and they were just thoroughly enjoying their dance practice hanging out with each other. It was a really good feeling and I really I've always appreciated that about you. Secondly, I just like to comment um in looking at the package and tonight seeing it on the screen, the building is beautiful.

I love the colors. I love the simplicity and the it just looks clean and sharp. So, it's it's a beautiful design and I I I commend you on that. And that concludes my comments, Mr. Anything else from the applicant? Okay, Mr. Luhan.

Uh, yeah. When when you do have the festival and the you have the gym and the hall already fixed up, will you be using it in there? cuz I I I go to your festival and it's always extremely hot outside [laughter] and we're always trying to fight for the umbrellas and then and then you know but it's wonderful to see the community come together you know uh yeah I'm a parishioner over at St. Raymonds and we always bring people over and and it's it's a really a great great event and you know to support as well and love the food. You know I'm my family only one that eats lamb so I always get two plates to take home and I enjoy it myself but um you know with like the gym I know on my high school where I work in Parammont we put we cover the floor and we use the gym you know for you know especially on those hot days for the students to come in and and instead of being outside in the heat you know the hot weather but you guys would consider that. I know the hall you probably will cuz it's Yeah. Okay.

The hall will be used in the festival. [clears throat] Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. That was my question. So, right. I have u I'm on the third floor of the building next to Portos and directly looking out. So, I see your dome every single day and when there's snow on the mountains and I take and and I could probably sell you guys photos. I have a zillion photo on my computer. Okay, I got to take a picture of that, you know. So, your dome is very visible to me. So, thank you and looks like a great project. Congratulations to you guys from that prospect. I have no further questions. Thank you for your time. That's a dangerous office location. So close to Porto. [laughter] I didn't get this way overnight. I've been working hard at this for many years. I've been there. Thank you for your time, everyone.

Yeah, sure. Sure. Father, come by and have a cup of coffee with me sometime. Okay. All right. Um Okay. May staff confirm if there's any Oh, we still have the public hearing is still going. Um, is there uh probably can the staff confirm there's been any correspondence in favor or opposition? No correspondence was received. No correspondence. Great. So, this is time for members of the audience wishing to address the planning commission regarding the public hearing project may come up to the podium. I can't see. Is there any blue cards taken? Is that that's a one back there or three? That's a one.

That's a one. Uh, so there's nobody on the blue cards on there, but if anybody would like to speak on behalf of this project or in opposition to this project, now would be the time. Okay, you guys are all in support. That's good. Um, there's no rebuttal on that. So, this would be a time uh for the commission to ask any final or last questions of the applicant before closing the public hearing. Nothing further. So, now the public hearing is now closed. Um, it's time for us to deliberate. Um, you know, and again, my only comments were that, you know, all the things that we talked about those conditions and, you know, with your promise caveat that you'll work with them to to move that forward on there. Um, are you guys all good with the little red comments and so forth and oh, I forgot to ask them. So, okay. So, they're going to work on I can't ask you now, but they they're going to work on the fencing type back there, right? That's something you guys can work together, whatever is prettiest and safest. I forgot to ask,

Mr. Chair, I based on uh what I've heard from the commission and the applicant that they would work with the neighbors, uh I'd suggest we change condition number 23 that was uh previously revised, right?

Uh which would read a solid masonry wall matching the existing perimeter block wall or other type of fencing. um will be provided will be provided and no more than 7 ft height above the finished grade shall be constructed and the remainder of the revised condition would stay. So we would be adding uh or other types of fencing

yes uh will be provided. So providing an alternative for the applicant to work with the neighbors and then to uh work with staff on how they would be satisfying that condition and they would show that in their uh project plans that they submit for plan check. Do we want to is there do we have to put a condition on the other wall as we talked about? I mean they had things on there but is that something that the planning commission wants to put in writing? If you can remind me exactly what uh what what type of modification would be needed or

get rid of the cheese crates. No, [laughter] no, but to solidify some kind of safety uh from that that same that wall and then the appearance or to make it similar to the one in the back. I from perspective of staff, I think staff could work with the applicant to address that during plan check. Okay. All right. I'm good with that if you guys are. Okay. But I mean, I want to make sure that it's clear that that's what you're going to do. Okay. All right. And you guys Okay, good. That's I just wanted a wink and a nod from them. Okay, that's good. Okay, [laughter] so um Mr. Cycling, anything from you, sir? No, I have

Mr. Luhan. Okay, great. Chair Gara, if I can suggest based on your comment right now is that we revise condition number 23 further to say a uniform solid adding the word uniform to create I think that's addressing that you uh a uniform solid masonry wall matching the existing perimeter wall or fencing shall be provided and no more than 7 feet in height above the finished grade with the remainder of the revised condition staying the same. So that encompasses both areas.

The area this condition is not specific to a location. It just it's reference to all walls and now we're adding the word fencing. Okay. Perfect. Yes. Okay. So what is the pleasure of the planning commission? May I have a motion? I move that we approve PLN25-000052 with the additional conditions that were specified tonight. I'll second if I would correct you guys only on the technicality of it. PLN-25-000052. Correct.

I was corrected stand corrected. Okay, that's you forgot a dash. Okay, so we have a motion in a second. Uh, may we all have a vote? A second. Vote. I know. But wait a second. I want to take a picture. This is my last vote picture on there. [laughter] Yeah. Motion passes with a vote of 40.

I'll tell you what. I'll tell you guys why in a second. It'll be real easy. This will be my last meeting as chair of this committee. So I wanted to get my last uh vote and record it from that standpoint. Okay. So we have that u there's on the at this time we'll have u by the way congratulations. We only have two more minutes to uh to finish and you can walk out with us. You can walk out now. But congratulations. We're happy for you and and so forth and you know put a little extra white sauce on my thing this year there. So, [laughter] um, or at least in front of the line.

Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Our city attorney Oh, no. He's He's [laughter] He was like, "No, no, no, no. Do not go there. Do not go there at all." Okay. Now, this is recorded, too. Um, there so, uh, public comments. Any public comments? Okay. Um, like I said, we'll be done in two minutes. I promise you. Uh, can I have a motion for item number nine, the consent calendar item? Can see no public comment. Uh, so moved. Okay. Is there a second? A second. Okay. Um, any discussion approving those minutes? Okay. Please vote.

Motion passes by zero.

Great. Thank you. And the last order of business, item number 10 would be the election of new officers for this upcoming year. So, uh, I would like to take the opportunity to make a motion. Uh, if my colleagues will allow that. First of all, it's been a great year. Uh, our staff is awesome. Um, we work well together. All five of us, uh, commissioners on there, we come from different backgrounds and we all work together. We're all rowing in the same thing. You saw some of the discussion today. Uh I couldn't be prouder. We got some really cool items this year that we did from round one to housing to, you know, we had this place packed for the housing project there. Uh so we've we've had some great things that we've accomplished this year. Uh it's been a pleasure. Uh and I I I really appreciated it and thank you for voting me in as chair and then vice chair a couple years ago. So, with that, I'd like to make a motion that uh we make our vice chair, Carrie Uva, our chairperson, and uh we add Mr. Cyclley as our vice chair for this year. Uh you you're new on there, and I know Mr. Luhan's been around the the thing on there. So, and these two uh would also make great leaders for our community. So, with that, I'd like to make that as a motion.

I I'll second it. Okay. Any further discussion? So, okay. Great. Well, with that, if we can all vote.

Motion pass. 5-0. Yay. Well, congratulations. I want to give you the the gavo on there, Miss Huva. Congratulations. We love working with you. But I'm not going anywhere, by the way. You know, and Hector, I get the corner spot next night, next meeting. Okay. I'm a corner guy. No, I'm still number [laughter] one, right? That's the only you're district one.

No, no, no. I get the corner cuz I don't want to be in the middle. Anyways, uh I think that's it. Uh thank you guys for all your community. We love your community. We've been there and uh congratulations on this project. We look forward to seeing it. And at that meeting uh well congratulations sir. Thank you. Thank you.