Board of Supervisors - Regular Meeting

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Okay, we'll give it another minute to let some people in. Hm. I know a pointer here if anybody wants it.

Probably Just First downing is the last one. the tiny bit of authority like this.

But so I'm glad they reached out. Look at this because I know there's just going back and forth. So is there anything can somebody

you know what I mean employee He's not going to do it every day. He's not going to take advantage of it. If anybody should do it, it's him, you know, honestly. So, it sounds like they reached out. It's good business. It's really

freaking guns. drove by that area. Good evening, folks. Welcome to the May 12th edition of the Dair Township Board of Supervisor M. Can we all please stand for the pledge of allegiance? We will

pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, before we get started here, oh, Mr. Jackson, can you do the roll call, please? Sure. Supervisor Baluchcci present. Supervisor Curado here. Supervisor Myers here. Supervisor Ballard here.

Session prior to the start of this public meeting. During the confidential session, board members addressed and reviewed topics concerning legal matters, personnel issues, and land related concerns. These discussions were conducted to ensure the sensitive nature or the sensitive subjects were handled with the appropriate level of privacy and attention. I would like to remind all present that in accordance with township policy, every public meeting is tape recorded. Notices of this procedure are displayed within the meeting room. The purpose of this recording is to produce an accurate is to produce accurate minutes and to ensure that all comments made during the meeting are thoroughly documented. In addition to audio meeting recordings, we have recently begun live streaming these proceedings, providing a broader access and transparency to the community. For the benefit of the record, please speak directly into the microphone, sharing your full name and address so that your remarks are captured clearly. Each participant has three minutes. Since there's a big house in here, I'm going to expect three minutes. If additional time is required, it may be granted at the discretion of the chairman. All right. So, that opens up our first public comment session. Now, please recall what I said. I'm going to keep you at three minutes because we have such a big house.

Hello, John Miller. 329 Coco Avenue. Make this quick. Storm Water Management Plan for 321 Coco Avenue S20 202412. I want to place the following concerns on the record. This matter arises from township stormwater violations under MJ2304 NT699 and 703 2023. The violations date back to August of 2023. Storm water impacts to my property at 329 Coco have continued for nearly three years. uh his impacts include damage to my 100-y old garage. So, chapter 174 states that financial security is for the timely installation and proper construction of storm water controls as required by the approved plan. So, financial security is not proof that the plan is accurate. It only guarantees construction of the plan that has been approved. The court filed stipulations required an engineering assessment to develop a storm water management plan under 174. My wife and I allowed access to our property and to our garage in good faith so that actual site conditions could be assessed. However, the actual approved plan states that the base map was developed using liar contours GIS data and deed plot aerial imaging. It also states that a boundary survey was not performed. That's a material concern because the plan affects conditions at the shared property boundary area. The plan also shows existing gravel to be removed 194 square feet out of my driveway which abuts a state right away. I've repeatedly identified that gravel is part of my driveway along state route 743 and Pennsylvania title 67 section 44 41.3 requires a pend before any modifications

are made to it. The plan also relies on deferred infiltration testing. This means a key storm water design assumption has not been fully verified before acceptance of financial security, assuming you approve it tonight. The township engineer, the solicitor, and others at the township have been made aware of this. So, if financial security is accepted tonight, I just want the record to be clear. The acceptance is not proof that the plan is accurate. Acceptance is not proof that the excavation risks next to my 100-y old garage have been adequately evaluated. Acceptance is not proof that the township has authority to supersede Pendot jurisdiction over State Route 743 driveway access. And acceptance is not proof that deferred infiltration testing will confirm the design assumptions. And finally, acceptance is not proof that the improvements will stop the continuing storm water impact to 329 Coco Avenue. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Miller. Remember, three minutes, guys.

My name is Bob Sermana. I live at 1014 Fairdale Drive. I've been there for 33 years. I'm going to attempt to summarize the facts regarding the year and a half saga of more than a hundred emails, sound recordings, phone calls, complaints regarding the continuous noise from Alpine Kennel and Roquinn Rescue at 1021 Stoverdale Road. The first complaint was a phone call to this office, this township office in October 24 and we were told to call the police department. A month later, the police department informed us that the police department is not responsible for enforcing the noise orders, but the township is. Another month later, we were told that nothing can be done, that the kennel's grandfathered, and we should speak to the zoning officer. Last May, we sent the zoning officer uh several emails and uh got no reply. a year and a ha a year a year ago almost a year ago today there's been no reply from the zoning officer on this topic. Um on uh 10:28 Supervisor Nut told me that nothing can be done and that we should speak to the uh solicitor that she could not speak to us about the noise complaint. Uh I left three voice messages for solicitor Armstrong. received no return phone call. Solicitor Armstrong sent us an email on 10:3125 stating that he was unaware of a noise complaint. We resent the emails to him and this has been going on again for almost two years now. So the solicitor then stated in his email, a second email that he cannot discuss an ongoing

investigation with me. Supervisor Nut sent us an email a month earlier saying that the investigation was concluded. So, it's now been 20 months since the initial complaint. There's 45 weeks since the zoning officer promised us a response and we still haven't heard from the zoning officer. The solicitor won't speak with us and our new supervisors have been told they can't speak to us about the issue. So, for the record, we just want the township to know this has become a legal issue because of you, not because of taxpayers.

Thank you, Mr. Seminar.

Good evening. I'm Regina Conway. I live at 108 Beardell Drive in Hummeltown. I want to start by saying that I am an advocate for animal rescue. I have volunteered with several both here and prior in Los Angeles. I've fostered dogs and we have two rescue dogs ourselves. So, this is not about being anti-dog or expecting total quiet in the neighborhood. But the situation with Alpine Kennels and Roken Rescue has just crossed the line. This kennel has been here for the entirety of the nine years that we have lived in the community, but it only became a problem in recent years when it went under new ownership. The non-stop barking became an issue after the current owners took over the kennels, changed how they run the facility, took down a bunch of the trees, and expanded the operation to include a dog rescue. Now, there are nights where the barking goes on for more than four consecutive hours, and that is not an exaggeration. I've woken up in the middle of the night and still heard dogs barking at 4:00 a.m. Our children are being woken up. We are losing sleep in our own home. Our property values are decreasing. and we can't enjoy our property the way we used to. Even trying to grill outside in our backyard has prompted guests to comment on the barking without us bringing it up first. We have tried handling this directly and respectfully. Emails have gone unanswered. We have tried to be patient, but at this point, many of us feel ignored and honestly don't know where else to turn. What's especially frustrating is that it feels like the quality of life of an entire neighborhood is being outweighed by one business that continues to violate existing noise ordinances without meaningful resolution. We are asking for reasonable oversight, a reasonable compromise, and enforcement of the ordinances that already exist. Thank you.

Thank you.

Randy Fler, 1048 Fairale Drive in Hummelstown. We come before you this evening as res residents of Walton Spring Hills in Hmeltown to address the ongoing noise concerns associated with Alpine Kennels and Roquin Rescue. Historically, this was not an issue when Alpine Kennels was the sole business operating at the location. However, since the addition of Roquand Rescue, the situation has progressively worsened to the point where constant barking is negatively impacting the peace, quiet, and sleep of neighboring residents within the community. My wife and I are dog owners and have been since 1999. We understand and appreciate the responsibilities that come with pet ownership. Out of respect for our neighbors, however, we would never allow our dog to bark incessantly in the manner that is currently occurring at that property. Dair Township Ordinance Section 61-6 prohibits domestic animals from making frequent or continuous noise, including barking, howling, or other sounds that unreasonably interfere with the peace or sleep of neighboring residents. Under the ordinance, noise constitutes a nuisance if it continues for more than 15 consecutive minutes or intermittently for one hour or more, provided the animal is not being provoked. These concerns have previously been communicated to and demonstrated for the board of supervisors. Yet, to date, there has been no meaningful resolution or followup. We are not opposed to businesses operating within the township, nor we are we opposed to animal rescue efforts. However, we are concerned with the manner in which this operation is currently being managed and the resulting lack of consideration being shown to nearby residents of Dair Township. As a reasonable solution, we respectfully recommend that the animals be required to remain indoors between

the hours of 8:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. each day. This would still provide ample opportunity for outdoor activity while helping to restore peace and quiet for the surrounding neighborhood. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Fler. Hello, George Howells. Uh 1040 Fairell Drive, Hometown, Pennsylvania, 17036. It's been a while, but I think it's been about 30 years since I saw you, Mr. Curado. Good to see you again.

Um so, same thing. I'm not as eloquent as my neighbors. Um, it has been a struggle with the noise violations within our neighborhood. We are a dog rescue family ourselves. Um, we have a 5-year-old dog that we keep. Um, and we struggle nightly with the family, with the noise. Um we don't ask for too much but to to uh ensure to keep the noise uh ordinance that is a uh you know policy within the the community. So we ask that you enforce that that you send somebody to actually investigate it because we've sent emails. I've myself sent emails over the past year and a half. They've gone unanswered. Calls have gone unanswered. We ask that you enforce the ordinance and uh and ensure that we all as taxpayers get the benefit that we all deserve.

Thank you, Mr. Falls.

Uh Diane Sermana, 1014 Ferd Doll Drive, Hmeltown. I hope you can now understand what we have been experiencing. We are also here representing Dr. and Miss uh Mrs. Carlos Cream, Dr. and Mrs. John Wrigliano, Mr. and Mrs. Royoscudas who were unable to attend tonight. As my husband said, we've lived near the kennel for 33 years. The new owners took over, opened a new business, removed the trees, and began allowing 247 access for the dogs. The situation has literally become unbearable. These changes should have questioned their grandfather's status, but those questions to our solicitor fell on deaf ears. Literally, we can no longer open our windows. Imagine that you can't open your windows. Our guests that come are disturbed and awoken during the night. We can't use our outdoor space on a daily basis. And moreover, our property values have diminished. We've had several realtors come in and said, "We'll take x amount of dollars off the top if this is what they're going to hear." We repeatedly asked the township why they won't enforce their own animal noise ordinance when the noise clearly interferes with the cry enjoyment of our homes. If Mr. Emer or any of these supervisors lived here, I can't imagine that you would tolerate the noise. Long before we hired an attorney, we were told the investigation had been concluded and no investig no violations were found. What investigation? No one ever visited our homes or had the courtesy to even speak with us directly to fully understand the impact of this issue. Later, the township solicitor stated he could not speak with us because there was an ongoing investigation. He said he was completely unaware the conflicting responses we have received have been beyond frustrating. Why are our concerns being ignored and when will the township

address an noise noise ordinance? You can't imagine the amount of time and money we have spent trying to get a response or just a clear explanation. Who should we turn to? Are we supposed to call the police every time it's happening? We've not done that out of courtesy to them. The police, I mean, Mr. Emer hasn't replied to us. The supervisors were instructed, as my husband and others said, not to speak to us. And the solicitor has not addressed the noise issue with our attorney. We respectfully ask that you take the time to fully understand the facts and take meaningful action to address the situation. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Seminary.

Good evening. My name is Chanice Rean and I live at University Manor East Hershey, Pennsylvania. At the end of April, I had submitted two complete ordinances on behalf of community residents. These ordinances serve multiple purposes. They build public trust with all residents to protect township resources from being diverted to federal civil immigration enforcement. And they clarify local decision-making authority. They do not change federal law, do not restrict police from investigating any crime, and preserve every form of cooperation with federal authorities that the law requires. At that time, I requested that the board consider these ordinances on a future agenda. To date, there has been no public response and no action on that request. I want to be direct. This does not require months of deliberation. These orianes are already complete and based on successful models from other P Pennsylvania municipalities. Three of these municipalities, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Lancaster already have similar ordinances or policies in place. Carile just passed comparable legislation this February. These ordinances accomplish key elements that include ensuring that township police do not detain folks solely on civil immigration warrants, protect automated license plate reader data, if it is ever collected, from being shared with federal immigration enforcement, and affirm township's local governing authority under the secondass township code. I requesting that the board place these ordinances on a future agenda. We are fully prepared to work with the solicitor, answer questions, and support the board through this evaluation. Dair Township is home to many immigrants who work, pay taxes, raise families, and contribute to our community. These are people who provide critical services to our township in providing health care, and working as researchers to name a few key contributions. They deserve to have enshrined protection so they know when they report a crime, seek assistance, or interact with township government. they will be treated fairly and their personal data

will be protected. The board can provide that assurance. I respectfully urge you to move forward with these ordinances. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Mr. Rian.

Hi, I'm Mike Harris. I'm at 1024 Fairdale Drive. I'm also here to uh complain about the Roquin uh animal rescue. Originally, I was going to bring in a uh an audio recording I made the other morning of the dogs barking incessantly for about a half hour, but I decided not to do that. Um, it really has taken a toll on our neighborhood, though. The uh the quality of life is uh not what it was when we were able to freely go outside, enjoy our patios and our uh our decks. um we uh now have to try and uh go out when things aren't uh too disturbed, but uh they are constant and uh they work on your nerves. They really do. And I think if any one of you were in our neighborhood, you'd feel the same way. Um it's uh it's pretty exacerbating. And the really frustrating part is that we can't seem to get any help from the the police or the and I I don't I'm not uh trying to drag anybody into this, but we need some assistance is what it comes down to. We need somebody to get in there on our side and say, "Hey, these guys got a problem. Let's work with these people." I'm a dog rescue person. I've had many dogs in my life. I love dogs, love animals, but uh it's really gotten out of hand. So, we need some help. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Harris.

Good evening. Uh, my name is Brennan Foster. I live at 2288 Joanne Avenue. Hi, Sandy. Hi, Rob. Um, as a uh we just recently heard a fellow resident um spoke in favor of introducing and passing a resolution limiting the uh ability of city employees and um police officers to uh assist uh civil immigration enforcement. Um my family and I have been politically act and civically active in this area for many years. I was born in Harrisburg. I was raised in Dair Township and with some exceptions, I have lived, worked, and earned two degrees entirely in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. And for the first time in my life, I'm afraid that my home was going to come under siege. We all saw what happened in Minneapolis for milant criminals. But we all know what actually happened. The president's private army of actual jack booted thugs executed two people in the streets for the crime of coming to the fence of their neighbors. They violently and indiscriminately rounded up people just for looking like they were immigrants with no regard for the Fourth Amendment or due process. Um, beyond that, there have been dozens of cases of these thugs shooting and killing people with very flimsy excuses and tens of cases of people dying in ICE custody. Um, one of these deaths occurred a couple hours from here at the Mon Shannon Valley Processing Center. He was a father of three. He was a human being and his name was Franklin Akbu. Um, so if somebody gets arrested in Dair Township by ICE, there's a good chance they're going to end up at uh this facility. It's effectively a private prison run by the GEOG group. And according to ICE's own oversight organization, the GEOG group is referred repeatedly uh staff have falsified records of Mr. Ogloo's detention. Staff were ordered by the facility doctor to regularly check on him to ensure his safety after he reportedly ingested some sort of substance. um they failed to uh carry out 94 of the 219 checks that were required and as a result Mr. Drew died.

Um this is not the first time someone has died in ICE custody. It's not the first time Geog Group has been caught falsifying their own records. Um this negligence also called Fouad Amid Abdul Abdul Kadir who died after uh staff failed to bring him to the emergency room after an abnormal EKG reading. He also complained of chest pain, tingling uh yeah tingling. Um, finally, Cha Fang Gay was found hanging in a shower room. Uh, this Chinese national, he, the autopsy stated that when he was found, his hands and feet were bound. The federal government is how it is that a man who hung himself, how it is that a man hung himself while he was restrained. Um, beyond that, there has been an ongoing hunger strike organized by detainees in the center in protest of the abhorent conditions inside. Um, moreover, the Trump administration has deported people to a prison run by the dictator of El Salvador and sometimes not even to the victim's country of origin. Uh, if someone is detained by immigration, again, they'll end up in Shannon. Um, a prison run by a dictator.

Mr. Foster, can you wrap it up, please? Yes. Essentially, what I'm saying is, um, a previous, uh, fellow resident rose in support of, um, passing this ordinance, introducing, and then passing this ordinance. Um, it is not appropriate for local law enforcement to act as civil uh enforcement agents. It undermines trust. It's a waste of resources. And frankly, their uh they're compromised. Their um ability to carry out their jobs as they were instructed to by the law is utterly compromised. Thank you.

Is that it? Anybody else? Going once going. Okay. I just want to quickly ask, is now the right time to talk about some of the new business or should we wait until the public comments afterwards? Clifton Heights. Uh, yes. I think you want to wait till afterwards. However, you do it after after the presentation. After the presentation or you can wait till the end of the meeting. We'll do uh Clifton Heights comments right after the Clifton Heights presentation. Okay. All right, that leads us into our first order of business is the approval of the consent calendar. We can do this all at once or each one separately.

I'll make a motion that the entirety of the consent calendars, items A and B are approved as a group. Thank you, Mr. Myers. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Curado, thank you and welcome back. Thank you. Good to be here. All those in favor? I I opposed hearing none. The motion carries. The consent calendar is approved. Okay. Our first new business of the uh evening and I'm sure that's what most of you are here for is the presentation of the sketch plan for Clifton Heights PL 1422. Chuck,

Mr. Mr. Chairman,

uh, this plan filed by Ultimate Gift LLC represents the resubds one and two is created by the preliminary final subdivision plan for Barbara Ekenro, which was recorded October 17th, 2002. Uh, since submission of this sketch plan, the applicants have named the proposed development the Enclave at Silverbrook, just if that's during uh, any of their presentation. Uh each of the lots uh presently contains a single family dwelling as shown on their existing condensed plan. Um the area of land being resubdivided totals approximately 12.9 acres. the property's front on Clifton Heights Road on the edge of the Durier Drive cortisac and also have access to Joanne Avenue via an undeedicated 40 foot wide right ofway intended to be an extension of Locust Street. The properties are located in the R3 small lot mixed residential zoning district. Uh this plan proposes to extend Durier Drive to Clifton Heights Road. The plan will create a total of two lots. Uh lot A is proposed to contain four apartment buildings totaling 106 units uh after the removal of one of the existing dwellings. Lot B will contain the remaining existing dwelling unit. Lot B is proposed uh as a landlocked lot presently uh which will require which would require relief from the zoning hearing board if that configuration is maintained. The extension of Durier Drive was first contemplated as part of the preliminary final subdivision, I'm sorry, preliminary subdivision plan for Stone Creek, uh, which was recorded in 2000. The right of way for the extension of Durier Drive was also reserved on the Echenroad subdivision plan, which was recorded in 2002.

Uh this planning was done since Clifton Heights Road is a culde-sac that does not standards for length or number of units. Clifton Heights Road as it exists today is approximately 1 half mile long and serves 69 units. COSAC under today's standards uh cannot be longer than 500 ft or serve more than 14 dwelling units. The Durier Drive extension will make Clifton Height Heights Road compliant by removal of the culde-sac condition. The design of vehicular circulation for the proposed apartments includes a private drive um connection to Dura Drive extending to Dura Drive extended and a second driveway connection to Clifton Heights Road. The existing dwelling on lot B will continue to access Joanne Avenue through the easement on lot A utilizing the unopened portion of uh Locust Street. Uh this development would be proposed to be served by public water and sewer facilities. The plan at least in sketch form shows a single storm water management basin uh which will would accommodate the discharge of the storm water management um basin in phase five of Stone Creek. I've offered a few comments uh when this was presented to the planning commission. I'm just going to highlight a couple of them for the board's benefit. Um, as I already mentioned, they need to address uh the fact that the one lot does not have any road rightway or road frontage. That's the lot with the existing um dwelling on it. They need to verify the permitted density over both lots. Um it appeared on the sketch plan that they only considered the density calculation for the the larger lot. the density um provided by the other lot containing a single family dwelling could also be used. They need to provide required bicycle

parking locations, materials and layout. Provide the loading unloading areas um and calculations for them on the plan depict the community heritage buffer as being 100 ft from the flood way of Sedara Creek. Uh the ordinance requires a class three or class 4 landscape buffer along the entire length of lot. Uh proposed uh extension um right ofway to the township should be a 60 foot wide right ofway. um suggesting that they improve Clifton Heights culde-sac bulb to the uh current township standards of a 55 foot wide rightway and 45 foot pavement. They provide sidewalk on both sides of Durier Drive or or seek a fee in lie of if if they choose to just focus on one side provide street trees. Provide location of dumpsters. Uh they'll likely be looking at a fee in lie of land for uh park recreation and open space and a transportation impact study will be required as um part of any plan moving forward. No formal action is required for this sketch plan. However, any comments from the board individually or collectively may be offered to the applicant so they can consider the comments moving forward. I believe that the applicant is here and may want to say a few words.

Uh, thank you, Mr. Emer. I appreciate the synopsis and uh, you pretty much took most of my notes from me, so I do appreciate that. Uh, my name is Mickey Thompson. I'm the vice president of land and council for Keystone Custom Homes. Uh ultimate gift uh is a entity which we have used for the the contract that we have with the sellers. Uh we have had this property under contract since October 2025. Uh we are within our study period. Uh part of the process that we're going through now is doing our due diligence uh to meet with uh the township township staff uh and to hear comments from uh both the township and the community uh as how to best address some of the concerns that have been presented to us uh over some several meetings. Uh we we did have a meeting with the neighborhood group. uh we invited them uh to meet with us on March 31st to get a general round of comments, introduce them to the plan uh which is known as Enclave of Silverbrook. Uh we are looking at 106 luxury apartments. Uh we are still in the design phase right now. This is a sketch plan. We are not at the preliminary plan stage and as Mr. Emer has said, we're not looking for any action or any votes this evening. Uh this is more of an introduction to who we are and the project itself. Uh with us be with me tonight is Jeff Rut. He is the CEO of Keystone Custom Homes and also Ultimate Gift. I have Brett Barber who's a land acquisition manager. Uh he was responsible for bringing this project to our company. I have Bill Frederick uh who's behind me uh from RGS Engineering. He will go through the plan and uh direct both uh the township and also the audience to uh several components of this plan. And I have Chris Schwab from TRG. Uh he is the traffic engineer. He will be preparing the traffic study. When we get to that point in the development uh of the

project, uh he will talk about some higher level uh studies and higher level uh thoughts on this project as we go through. Uh we were able to meet with the township staff several months ago again to uh reintroduce this plan as to uh you know with Keystone in mind and also understand what has happened before. We understand this is not the the first goaround for this property. Uh this is an R3 zone and what we are proposing is permitted under the R3 zone. Uh we do have some zoning matters to address and which we will be addressing them as we go through preliminary plan. We're investigating all options. Uh one comment and I'm sure you'll hear from Mr. Frederick about this is that uh we were able to secure um a larger strip of land that would be the public road proposed between Durier and Clifton um Clifton Heights Road, excuse me. Uh so that would be a conforming uh request uh if that would be to would be accepted by the township. So we think we can meet the proposed cartway and not require any waiverss or any variances from that. Um, so, uh, that being said, I know it's going to be a long evening. We have a lot of comments here, but I'll bring up Mr. Frederick and he can walk you through and answer any questions about the, uh, sketch plan as proposed.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Let's hope it doesn't get that late because we have to get into the rest of the meat of our schedule. Then, uh, Bill Frederick's RGs, Chuck always does a great job, so I'll try not to repeat too much. Um, this is at the end of Clifton Heights. It is zoned R3 which does permit apartment uses. Um it is approximately 13.2 acres as Mr. Emer noted. This is a sketch plan. We developed this plan based on GIS and LiDAR. We will get survey. So as this plan develops will be refined. Uh as Mr. Emer noted, we just need to go through the uh net developable area make sure that's all updated. Uh couple just key notes as uh Mr. Emer noted we'll definitely have a landscape buffer along the perimeter. Um we did so the existing rightway for Durier Drive is 54 feet. That was the old standard. The current standard under the ordinance is 60. So the extra three feet uh that Mickey identified is on this southern end. So that would allow us to be uh to provide the compliant 60 foot right away on that extension. Um couple other highlights. the storm water. There's an existing storm water basin uh here that discharges onto the this site. Uh we would collect that and take that into our storm water facility. Sketch plan storm water facility is very illustrative at this point. It will certainly be refined. There's some opportunities for some open space kind of behind these units, but as you could see on the previous um existing plan, there's some steep slopes right along Satara Creek. So, it would be really cool access, but I think it might be a little little too steep. Um, there is an existing storm or excuse me, existing water line that runs through the site. I believe the sanitary uh manhole is think Clifton. It's right in here somewhere. We'll connect into that sanitary manhole. So, those are just the quick highlights. Again, I don't want to repeat anything Mr. Emer said. So, if you have any questions for me, otherwise

I know there's

Well, actually, I do. Actually, Senator, I have a comment before I turn it over to my colleagues. We collectively received 28 emails. I'm hoping that's a correct number. And I received personally five phone calls, not all of which were pleasant. Um, I spent the last couple of days looking through all the emails again after I think I replied to most of you folks out there. So, I spent the last couple of days trying to distill all those feelings and thoughts and and and issues down to a couple of bullet points. And it comes down to this is going to be your task is to convince us and these good folk that this is a good project to move forward on. So, it's on you. All right. So, I came up with this. One of the biggest things is increase traffic. That's I know that area and I'm familiar and I agree with these folks on that. Safety concerns because of the increased traffic. Uh emphasis on children playing in the streets etc. Uh there was a mention of noise and air quality issues. I can see I can actually see that happening and and discussion on a public as this is a public safety hazard. Not sure I dis disagree with that, but okay. So, these are the topics you're going to have to address to us and these folks. And now I'm going to turn it over to my colleagues to see if they have any questions, specific questions to get into.

Go ahead. Guess I'll start. Uh, of the 106 units, are we looking at like single bedroom, dual, two-bedroom? What is the makeup? Do we know? Can I turn it back over? Yeah. I don't know what what's what's your perview and who's I will say is um TRG is here to talk about traffic. Do you want them to present first and then So you're you're just distinctly the land development we did. Yes. Okay. All right. Let me uh I'm guessing this is outside the flood plane. Do we have an idea? I mean I guess with the steepness it's pretty steep. I think it's 50 feet plus by the time you get there. So essentially where that red is I believe is where the flood plane ends. Okay.

Um so that community heritage buffer that uh Mr. Emerick noted is essentially in that red area. All right. And you mentioned you have significant trees to kind of buffer the I guess this apartment complex and the in that would be proposed. Yes. Correct. Okay. Um I think that's all I have for for you. Sir, Sandy. Oh, I was just going to wonder if we could have the discussion about the traffic or I think the traffic person. Yeah, if it would help. Well, the one and two.

Yeah, why don't we bring Mr. Schwab up to talk about Okay. Again, no uh no TIS has been performed now. So, this is just uh introductory as to his uh your thoughts about the traffic itself, but probably be instructive. Uh yes, my name is Chris Schwab with Transportation Resource Group. What's your last name, sir? Schwab. Schwab. Okay. Yeah.

So, as stated, a traffic study has not been completed. It will be required. I just want to go over some of the the highlights and what we'll do in the study and what we'll look at. Um understanding that yes, the traffic will be generated by this development, but we're going to show how or we're going to talk about how we're going to address it in the study. Um, according to the township ordinance, um, 100 directional trips is required for a traffic study. We don't get to that point. Um, however, um, whenever there's going to be impact on developments, study is required. We recognize that and we're going to do the study. We've had preliminary conversations with HRG regarding uh, study intersections. Um, we have no issues with those study intersections. As far as trip generation for the 106 unit apartments, we show 50 AM peak hour trips, 50 PM 58 PMP hour trips, and 717 daily traffic volumes. Um, in order to do the study in accordance with the township ordinance, counts are to be conducted between June and September to reflect the seasonable um, uh, affected traffic volumes due to the tourism. So that's when we will do our counts. We will do level service in accordance with the highway capacity manual stated in the ordinance. Um, another thing that we will um incorporate in our study is Pendoton has the middle middle town road safety and congestion um improvement project. Um, and we've been in contact with Pendant and they provided plans. Um those improvements out on Middletown Road include uh center turn center turn lanes, shoulder upgrades, some medians, some restricted turn volumes, and intersection improvements. Um because we don't access the state road, all of our uh study will be just required for the township and we won't um Pendle won't review the study. However, we will share our information with them and use their

information in our study. Um, another thing that was mentioned before about the culde-sac length of Clifton Heights, um, with the second point of access, that, um, will be eliminated, um, as discussed before. So, when we talk about the the daily traffic 717, it's not all going in one direction. It's not all happening at one time. Um, peak hours A.M. in the morning and in the evening is when you'll see the most. And then throughout the day, some traffic will head to the south, some will head to the north. Um, so there will be some traffic increase, but it's not all of this traffic running through the neighborhood here. A good a good Well,

if you have access to Clifton Heights, some traffic will head to the south, some traffic will head some traffic will head through the neighborhood to head out. Um and that will be all included in the study and addressed per the ordinance requirements. So um not denying that traffic would go there if you make the connection. Um we don't believe with the amount of um um traffic proposed for the apartments, it will um exceed the ordinance requirements. So that's that's where we are. Again, we'll do the study. Haven't done it yet. And I'm ready for questions. Mr. Shaw, where did you get some of the numbers you were throwing out?

So, the Yes, I should have mentioned that the um trip generation in accordance with the township ordinance, you must use um it trip generation manual. Um and that's that's what we've used. That's it says you shall use it. Um so, the 50 a.m. 58 p.m. and 7:17 come straight from it. Okay. You heard the crowd's reaction, I assume. I I was here I was here commission. I've heard Are there other avenues of egress and regress?

This is this is it. I mean, it's these are the two points here. So, they would head to the north through Dura and on on its way out or to the south on Clifton Heights. Aside from opening up Durier, are there other areas that you can uh move? That's I mean, I'm just going to base it on whatever the plan whatever the plan is provided. So, the plan as it currently stands, those are the two two directions they can head. I think they're having a hard time hearing you. If you could speak right, that's much better. There you go. Thank you.

And and this might be a question for a different um presenter, but I had a similar question as Rick. Um and more directly, why why can you explain why uh locust could not be used? So, in our due diligence and our uh recitation of how Locust came to be, it was part of a subdivision that was approved and under Pennsylvania state law. Uh the township would have had 21 years to have opened that street for public use. The township did not do that. So those private rights of that street revert back to the adjacent land owners. So the adjacent land owners do not have a right to block that off. They don't have a right to put a fence up there. They don't have a right to put any type of obstacle there. However, um we cannot use that for a public street because that right has been lost by the township and also by us as the developer of that site. What portion of Locust are you talking about?

The I think Chuck has a Yes. So, it's it's that I would say AI generated lane that's there. It does not look like that in practicality. Um it is a substandard access point. I believe it's only 40 feet. Would not meet township standards for public access. Uh there are two single family homes that are adjacent that road. So, and what what lots were created in this same subdivision that created I believe the lots that are the subdivision below Locust Street would be basically what we're looking at right now. Locust Street was none of none of your property was part of this. No, it it it was

it was it's right there. So, the the property that you're proposing to develop with this plan was also part of this earlier subdivision that created Locust Street that was offered to the township and never accepted. Yes. Uh I can't read that, but it it was more than 21 years from today's date. So, that's why that can't be just utilized as a matter of course by us. And then we would also if if by some chance we were able to use it uh would not have a standardized road that would meet the requirements of the zoning.

How how wide is that right away? I believe it's 40 feet.

If if I could add in the Clifton Heights parcel was not part of the lands or part of the subdivision for that portion of Locust. was adjacent to it's dubbed up to the land. Um at the time it was probably Zel Farm. Um whereas the the adjacent property was uh Hollandbach. So the the roar tract, the Clifton Heights track does not have privilege of access for that right ofway except that they've used it for their driveway for so long.

Okay. Thank you.

Yeah. And when we first met with the township staff and again it was a a meeting uh nothing was decided. It was just a conversation. Uh and then talking with our traffic uh you know with with Chris and John sites the intersection of Joanne and Middletown uh is a a difficult intersection uh to be frank and even if we were to be able to connect Locust to Joanne and go out to that intersection uh it's a would not be able to serve without significant uh upgrades to that intersection. So without understanding the the audience's uh reaction there, um we would would not want to send more traffic up to Locus and Joanne and go out to that intersection. So, and I believe if the township were to talk to its solicitor, I know I think there's a robust uh been a legal analysis about the use of Locust Street uh by past uh developers and that that was not uh able to be used at that point and from our study and our review, we would not be able to use that as a public access because of the issue that I spoke of earlier. Chuck, if the developer were to purchase the land on the right of way on that land, could that work?

So, if the developer was able to purchase each of the single family homes on each side of the unopen street, I believe that they could push Clifton Heights Road through those through those lots. Okay. Yes, the township could also condemn it. I didn't say that. He said it.

There any other questions? Uh, I have a question. Mr. Balushi, go ahead. Um, you don't currently own the property, correct? It's under contract. Yeah, we are the equitable owners. Yes, you are the equable owners. Well, equitable means we have rights to be here and present plans, but we do not own the property. Understood. Yeah, but obviously it's the conditions that you you're going to need to meet a lot of conditions um or you want to meet a lot of conditions in order to consummate that that agreement. Correct. Correct. Okay. Was this this plan was previously submitted or not this plan but something close to this plan was

a plan was previously submitted by another developer not us so I don't have the knowledge uh of of what was discussed at any of those times we have this plan and that's sort of what we're moving forward on Chuck do we know what the prior plan was it was also an apartment the prior plan the pri prior plan was an apartment plan yes 106 six units are in that. No, it was Thank you. That's what I was going to say. Appreciate it. Oh, I am. Thank you.

I'm personally concerned about this uh going through neighborhoods. Wait till I finish. You may not like that. I understand the notion of a non-conforming street and trying to bring it back into conformance, but with what I've read and what I've seen, until I have some better metrics, some better numbers, I'm not comfortable with saying, "Yeah, this is great." Well, respectfully, we're not asking you to tonight.

I know. I understand that. I'm just telling you how I feel about this right now. And I and I appreciate that because that informs us of what our hurdle would be moving forward. Um I I will say and and I'm sure you'll hear from uh individuals who live on that culde-sac and who are very concerned with traffic. Uh if Chuck, if you were to look or bring up the GIS, uh there's a couple of little facts here that if you look at that culde-sac as it exists now, uh you can see where it was not developed in certain areas for a purpose, right?

And that road uh we have legal opinion on this. It touches the property boundary. So at some point there must have been a contemplation of extending Durier Drive. And when you look at Clifton Heights and you can see when you can see how it's located that it was is a non-conforming culde-sac serving way many way too many uh homes for what it's there. I think it's pretty safe to say that at some point someone a lot smarter than me decided or thought that these could be connected and provide two levels of service for anyone along Clifton Heights as well as anybody in the stone uh dur area. They could also come through this because it would be street. So I think when you start adding the totality of what you can see and what the uh the evidence will show as we present a preliminary plan to the township is that this was at some point planned. Easements were reserved for this purpose for the development of this and we simply are following in uh those individuals footsteps and trying to make these connections which we think would be an improvement for everyone who lives along Clifton Heights Road. Obviously, because they right now only have one way to get out and if there's any type of issue, emergency or whatever you can can dream of the prey to horribles, where would those individuals get out from? How would they be able to access uh the fire and safety um for their betterment as well? So, um again, this will be presented and I hope to be able to persuade uh you Mr. Zamura otherwise to uh your thoughts right now. We think that when you see how these things would connect and the uh conditions that we would agree to that were presented by Mr. Emer here in terms of the bulb shaping of the uh the culde-sac along

Clifton Heights Road so that we could you know add to more safety uh for the area. I think that's what what we want to present to a later point and uh but I do appreciate your comment. Okay. I want to ask Mr. Maxual Emerick a question Chuck. Is there any in the past here? This goes back to 71, 1971. Yeah.

Okay. Are there any indications and any of those if you remember? I know you've been around that long, but uh any indications that what what Mr. Thompson said is is correct that there was a possibility of a through street there. So just give me a moment here to

Sure. So this is the 1971 Clifton Heights apartment plan. What uh what is shown in blue are the apartments that were constructed. Uh what's shown here are apartments that were not constructed. And that that did actually that was another one of the prior sketch plans, not to be confused with this property, right?

But there was a sketch plan presented to the township trying to put in these units without without a connection. Um, so as originally planned, Clifton Heights Road would have gone across to Locust Street and there would have been, you know, additional apartments built. So I think that's the first question of what you're asking. Is that Future Street? Would that have been the Dur Dur? No, to the left.

You know, oddly, uh, no, but it's it's kind of close to the location. So much much like was done over here at Locust, you know, it's not uncommon to stub streets into undeveloped property. And so even in the planning of Clifton Heights Road, uh there was, you know, undeveloped land to the south um that that they did provide a a future street to connect to. Chuck, how many units were contemplated in that plan in 71? How many were built and how many more were contemplated? I can tell. There we go. How about that?

16. Looks like 16 4 unit and 24 units if 24 units if public water was available. Public water did not come through Clifton Heights till 42. I want to say 90 maybe. So the water line that they said that they're respecting is a water line that American Water built uh through Clifton Heights through the ROR's property to serve the apartments. Would 1994 be about time?

All right, I can you have the easement, don't you? Okay. In 1994. Um, then I also think you were asking about Durier Drive and and its connection to, of course, this is the track that we're talking about, the Clifton Heights track. When when Durier Well, when Stone Creek was constructed, they I'm sorry about that. They needed um easements from the Roars. They needed um a sanitary sewer easement and two storm water easements. And I believe at the time Warren Roar negotiated that Durier Drive would come up and and actually contact his property for future expansion. As a matter of fact, the plan for Stone Creek mentioned potential future road alignment. Um and also the sanitary sewer meant that Stone Creek needed to access sewer. So this was the preliminary plan. On the final plan for Stone Creek, we find the same the same condition of Dura coming in contact with Warren Roars property um and access easement for future extension on the Echenroad subdivision. This is when the the existing apartments were subdivided from from the um two homes. So this is um really when when the culde-sac was formerly created for for this development. And as you can see, Durier Drive was intended to extend to Clifton Heights Road at some point in the future. Um, so the the Roars or the Eken Roads reserved a

right of way here when they created their lots for a future expansion. And Mr. Emer, was that around 2000? And as part of that agreement, wasn't that when this property was reszoned back to multif family? Um the reszoning. So I came here in ' 09. Okay. I'm not sure when the resoning was done, but this this particular plan was done in 2002. The Stone Creek plan was done in 2000. Okay. So, you know, one was working off of the other, so to speak.

Yeah. and and I would suggest that the contemplation of this easement and this arrangement uh between the parties at that point was also at the time the property was reszoned from agricultural to R3 to allow for the multifamily use. So again, when I assert that there was plans involving uh this property to be used as uh multif family under R3, all of this occurred to the benefit of of the neighboring property as well as to this property as well in exchange for the easements, the water, uh all of those things happened as a result of the agreement that was made in 2000 to 2002 by the parties. So this current development has no connection to the the existing apartments that are there now.

No, we we are not related at all to that party. I guess my question is has any analysis been done? I I know the traffic studies. I guess this would be something I would be curious in the traffic study of where those inhabitants are traveling to. Are they heading out to like 283 or would they be heading back in Miltown Road to Hershey? I know you haven't done the traffic analysis, but I guess something that I'd be curious about that distribution as an existing kind of data set,

right? So, we'll base it on two different things. We when we do our traffic counts, we'll see which way the traffic is going. That's one. And then typically PennDOT and um municipalities make us to a gravity model where we look and see where we think the traffic where we think the traffic will go based on the um employment centers. So we'll we'll look at it multiple ways. Um in order to do the study, we have to run this through the township and we'll agree to which way the traffic's going. Um I can't tell you if it's going to be 5050 north south. I don't know. Um but it will be based on actual traffic volumes really based on these residential developments. Um adding the apartments assuming the traffic's heading let's say was 6040 we probably assume that if we add 100 new new units it would probably be 6040 north south or whatever the number is. to to that point, has there been any um information obtained um as to which direction the current doc

will be done, you know, next month and then then we'll have actual data. Can someone answer the question as to what your definition of a luxury apartment is? That was my question.

How many bedrooms, square footage roughly? Uh again, we we we have not designed the individual units yet because we have to get through land development. Uh I've been involved in luxury apartments in my my pre-career uh with Keystone and uh it it involves the amenities that you're providing to the residents including uh fitness areas uh things such as walking trails, biking trails, biking areas. Uh you could have uh dog and pet washing facilities. So those type of things are what would constitute luxury and obviously the the fitment of the actual apartments and the uh the exteriors uh of of the units as well.

So more twobedroom, threebedroom,

two and three primarily we probably would have a smattering of one but but it just would not probably be a it would be be more for families and and two and three bedrooms. I mean, again, we're we're looking to bring in a certain level of individuals and usually starter families who are uh professionals in the area who want to go to a safe community. Uh they want to have amenities that are on site that they can enjoy, not have to travel to get there. Uh so that's pretty much why, you know, when people get home, they want to stay home. And we're going to be trying to figure out exactly what this area would need. will be doing studies as to what uh competitors would be using and seeing where uh we can improve on that.

Would that then assume that each unit would have two cars, one and a half? How does that I I believe we would exceed with based on this sketch plan the parking that's required in the zoning ordinance. I think is it two per assume two cars per unit? Yes. Thank you. from the from the feedback that you've received, you know, with the neighborhood meetings, emails, etc. Um, I'm not certainly going to hold you to this, but is there some rethinking as to whether or not 106 units may be a little too ambitious for this?

No, I I I think the property allows us to go to that number, right? We have the density. We we were not asking for any relief from the density. we think we would fall well within those parameters. And again, if our traffic study comes back and says, "Wait a minute, you're going to blow things out." We could then always adjust at that point. I think again, this is very preliminary, right? We are still doing our studies and it's, you know, there's going to be more information. I get that there's, you know, you want to go with the grand plan initially, you know, but again, there's an awful lot of opposition already and there's nothing really. This is just a a sketch plan presentation, you know, and understood.

I haven't seen this kind of response in the five six months so far since I've been on the board. So, well, and and we understand that we, you know, we have tried to to meet and discuss and, you know, obviously that's a a very vibrant community that we would be uh creating units in and uh what we would hope is we'd be a benefit to them as much as u they would think that we are a detriment. Have you looked at doing any other type of multif family such as town homes? Have you explored this project? No. The apartments is the only thing you've looked at. Yes.

Rob, you looks like you're getting ready to press the button. Yeah, I was. I lost what I thought. Um, I guess getting back to with this the traffic study, is there any thought to ways to mitigate to mitigate traffic by encouraging alternative transportation? Like I know you mentioned bike trails to the Absolutely. Um, I'd be

absolutely part part of part of what you want to be able to design is a livable community and you want people to be able to enjoy uh alternative traffic. Uh we will probably uh actually not probably we will have electric vehicle charging stations as part of this. Uh we will have uh you know in our first floor areas we'll have bike storage so people don't have to go up and down steps with their bikes. We'll have areas for that. Uh you know we we plan to have a trail as much as we're allowed to put in uh with the steep slopes for people for walkability. uh you know sidewalks so that people can enjoy walking through um you know and connect both communities. So I mean we we we just don't want to have uh an island or in a sea of of nothingness. We want to have a a community where people can uh communicate in a lot of ways and bicycles are definitely one of those.

And h have you as a developer developed anything similar that would butt up against a traditional standalone community like this? Any other? We we have had developed like multifamily projects where or multi-use projects where apartments and town homes and single families have been uh we're developing a large community in Devon Creek right now. We have Worthington. We have a few other projects. Kellerton in Frederick, Maryland. Uh it's one of our flagship communities. Uh we have uh multi multiple use there. We have villas and twins and towns and and all sorts of wonderful architecture and buildings down there. So, uh and that has a very vibrant trail and biking path system as well. So, we you know, we might not be able to put all of that in this smaller property, but we're going to do our best to, you know, level it up.

And I saw in the plan that it was a proposed 40 foot structures. Like, how many actual levels of apartments would that be? Is that three? Is that four stories?

Yeah, three stories. Yeah, I had to look at my guy over there. I think three stories. Again, we're not We don't want to exceed the height requirements and for the zoning. We want to stay within that envelope. Uh that's why maybe some of the buildings are a little bit larger in uh footprint area than others. But uh you know, we're not looking to just put a bunch of little soldiers around the community and call it luxury apartments. That's not what we're looking at. I guess last one. I guess this is again back to your improvement plan or the the traffic study, but do you have any ideas of traffic mitigating things that you could do at this point or is that still going to be anything you could throw out to maybe ease some of the the residents here or anything like that? Or is this a little bit too preliminary for that?

Yeah, go ahead, Chris. I'll I'll scooch. Yeah. And I I mean I think we would do whatever traffic I mean we have to work with the township and we would do whatever um you thought necessary there. I mean so you're talking in terms of traffic calming. Um that's probably one thing we definitely want to look at. Um there will be I mean there's no way to say that when you generate traffic here with these apartments that there's not going to be traffic driving through the neighborhood. So we want to do whatever we can. We'll have to work with Township as to what is the best option and there's lots of traffic coming um measures that you know about and we can we can work and see what your preferred preferred um option is. Okay. Thank you.

One of the things that we are exploring in other communities um and it's a concept called diet streets. taking the width of these streets that are um wide and trying to narrow them so that you know narrow means slow and slow means safe and we've had many studies done not by us but by other uh traffic engineers that have that that would be something that be willing to discuss. We we went offered to the township, but again, we don't want to waver ourselves into nose here. But there's a lot of ways we can minimize the speeds going through this area by making sure the cart way is of a sufficient width that cars would need to slow down when they travel.

Um I just have if you promise I'm done after this. Um maybe um impact on schools talking 106 units potentially. And um I want to go back to the luxury uh apartment definition again. Uh is is your definition of luxury apartment. Does it does that mean is there a a financial criteria that's factored into that like in terms of who's eligible to rent those apartments? The amenities.

Okay. So you you have to do credit checks and you have to go through all that. You can't be discriminatory and we're not going to avail ourselves of any practices which would impede our ability to rent these uh out. Uh but we would have a a floor as to that rent. We don't have that now because we haven't completed those market studies. Uh but you know they would be what you would consider a luxury rent and rate because of the amenities which we hope to present and have the part of our community. Thank you. We all done. This is one more comment I can let you go. Okay, great.

I'm looking You're going to be coming back to us in some future time. Is there a way that you can explore the purchase of those two properties off of Locust in order to create another avenue?

Certainly would be willing to explore that. Um, would the township be willing to commit its u a legal opinion as to if we were to secure that its desire to um take over and and uh condemn that area so it could be used. I I don't know necessarily if the township would have that ability to do so, but we are more than willing to explore it if it's availed to us. I will defer to my solicitor. Obviously, yes. If you those two lots become part of this development, we will certainly look into what is necessary to make that a public street.

Okay, that's fair. That's all I have. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. All right. I have Sorry, one last thing, Chuck. No one's really talked about lot B and the lack of road frontage on it. What waiverss or variances do they need in regards to that? Since since the planning commission, I've had a conversation with the applicant and what they're looking what they're considering doing is you talk into the microphone, please.

I thought I was um what they're considering doing is going minimum lot width out to the culde-sac. So, in other words, this would be an oddly shaped lot, but it would meet our code. Fair enough, Mickey.

That's fair. And if Locust Street is an avenue, which we don't know yet, but if it is, that might be able to solve a little bit of that, too. But there are ways. But as your solicitor will tell you, sometimes you can uh you know create a uh a gerrymandered property to meet the ordinance when in practicality it could be done in other ways. So again, I'm not going to commit myself to anything since we haven't really figured that out yet, but we are actively looking at how to uh come in with a clean plan as much as we possibly could. Agree. Thank you very much.

All right. All right. Now, we don't normally do this, but we're going to have a comment section session right now. If anybody would like to get up, same rules apply. You get three minutes. And while you're all lining up, let me just I want to I've been asked to just kind of talk about what's going on right here. So, this is a sketch plan. This is the developer kicking the tires. The township is not going to take any action whatsoever on this this sketch plan. uh it they will have to file what's called a preliminary plan application before we can actually take action on it. So this is just them checking everything out and you know this this is the beginning of the process not the end. Furthermore once they file for a preliminary plan approval under state law this is not a discretionary action by the township. The township cannot say, "Hey, we don't like this. We're going to deny it." We can only deny a plan if it fails to comply with our order. So, I looked through all your comments that were made to the planning commission, and I know a lot of you were like, "Oh, we want this. This is the second time around. We were doing this two years ago. We Why can't you just shut it down?" Under the law, we can't just shut it down. Every property owner has a right to develop their property and they have a right if they meet our ordinance requirements to have that development approved. So I just want to kind of lay that groundwork to all of you so you understand where we we're coming from. It's not a decision we can just say we don't like this. We're going to reject it. We have to have a legal per reason to do so. That being said, we welcome your comments. Thank you.

Thank you. Hello. My name is Michael Kger. I live on Durier Drive, just a few uh houses away from that culde-sac, which is now being proposed as a cutthrough for this large uh apartment complex. Um I just wanted to give you a personal perspective of what that means to me. Um and why I feel I'm giving you my significant disapproval of this plan. Um you know, on the projector screen, it looks like a bunch of lines and circles and streets and it seems very kind of impersonal. Um but to me, this culde-sac means a huge amount more. Um, my family calls this the practice circle. This is where I took my uh five-year-old daughter to learn how to ride a bike because we had a safe, small area um that wasn't having a lot of traffic through it to be able to practice learning how to ride a bike. I hope to take my four-year-old son there um too this summer. Um just at the corner there, that is where my uh daughter waits uh for the school bus to take her to Hershey Early Learning uh Childhood Center um along with several other children uh young children. Um, sometimes this happens when it's pretty dark in the wintertime. Um, this is the street that we cross frequently to go on walks and visit neighbors. This is the street that my kids like to walk onto directly onto the street to help get the mail or when they want to try to help take the garbage in. Um, and this is also the street that we, you know, we play ball on our driveway and, um, sometimes the the soccer ball gets past my young son and as it slopes down, he runs onto the street. And that literally happened a little bit before I knew this this new plant even existed, um, he ran onto the street to grab the ball. And all I could say is, thank goodness we don't have a whole lot of traffic go through here at the con. Um, the this whole concept of safety is about to be shattered. Um, I'm sure you'll get some more detailed stats from the traffic engineer. Um, but it does not take an engineer to recognize that this will dramatically increase the through traffic across my street and the streets

around Stone Creek. Um, we're talking about 100 more apartments here, over 100 more apartments. They're expecting 234 more parking spots, so potentially 234 more cars. Um, you know, in your question of where people will be going up and down. Um, I imagine as a rental property there's going to be a lot of temporary people here like medical students, residents that are all going to be cutting through to go to the med center nearby. So, there's going to be a huge amount of traffic that are rushing through this area um past our houses, past where people are walking their dogs, past where kids are going. Um, and and I'm not even talking about delivery trucks, contractors, all those other cars. And then we haven't even addressed all the other houses down here that are now going to say, "Hey, we don't have to travel down here anymore. we can just cut through this new neighborhood um which is another what 60 plus homes. Um so huge amount more traffic and the roads are not wide enough. There's too many pedestrians and it's just not a tenable option. Um to me this isn't just an apartment complex. This is a direct threat to the safety of my family. Um at the last meeting in April, every single planning commissioner that uh was there said it was ridiculous to try to squeeze an apartment a huge apartment building in this area and create a new traffic hazard through our quiet neighborhood.

Mr. Kger, could you please wrap it up? Yeah. Um, I'm I'm not familiar with your with the ordinance ordinances or how you um determine what is allowed and what is not, but I've got to believe that that you are able to look at something from a safety standpoint and determine whether it's going to be safe for the residents who are already here. Um, so I ask that you uh that you um when this plan does come to light that you deny it. Thank you. Before you start, I forgot to mention uh Please try not to repeat what your neighbors have already said. That'll make this go a little quicker, please. Thank you.

Yeah. My name is John Kohler. My wife and I live at 228 Pullman Way in the subdivision. I've got a fundamental question because I have done this for 30 years. I've been on that. I'd never been in a situation where the uh the township or the planning commission didn't have independence part independent a traffic study done whether it was commercial, residential or industrial. and I have developed in Mannheim Township and Lancaster County two prestigious subdivisions and Mannheim we paid for a traffic study but they did an independent one and it was our obligation then to work with our take our traffic engineer and try to to settle the differences. I can't believe we're relying on the developers here uh uh traffic in traffic study. Why isn't an independent study being done? Why isn't that being asked for?

Why aren't you guys doing it and let them pay for it? It's just a simple question. I've never heard of that and I've never seen that in an Ohio community. I've never seen an Indiana community. I've never seen it in a community in any other state that I've worked in. That's the first question. Second question is I want to ask the developers, do you own the property or do you have an oblig do you have a right to buy it, an option to buy it? property is under agreement of sale. We are the equitable owners of that property. Yeah. How do you close on it? You have to meet all the requirements for your use to close on it. Right. That's between us and the sellers. Okay. Our conditions are between us.

I suggest you do this. Look around here. These people here own this property. There's tens of millions of dollars invested in here. And people they own the property. They have mortgages. They live here. Did someone have lived here for? I just I don't know if you have the answer to that question or if that's more of a rhetorical question, but I think we're all similarly frustrated that this keeps coming up with new developers, but if a 40 unit plan was denied, why would this plan go through?

Britney, this is a a public comment, not a question and answer session. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for your comments.

My name is El Woodmanir. I live at 1215 Upton Court with my wife Marjorie. My uh comments tonight are directed at the at the board. We've all heard that uh Mr. Thompson was a wonderful advocate for his position and we do understand the financial incentives involved in this and I appreciate that. I'm a capitalist. I get it. Our solicitor, Mr. Nelson, pointed out that you cannot deny a compliant request to do a development. I contend that in the um ordinances of Dair Township, you can find subject matter such as compatibility with neighborhood uh qualities and character. I'd also put this to you very simply, your supervisors. In my career as well, an airline pilot, I had to make decisions and you have to make decisions. That's what you're here for is to supervise the well-being of your fellow citizens, not to rubber stamp something that may be compliant but really ill- advised. And I think this falls into that category. I do appreciate that you're going to get uh advice from council that says, "Well, you're going to put yourself in a bad position." Well, guess what? That's what leadership's about. In this case, I think you have ample evidence that everyone who lives here fully grasps that apartments next to single family homes, somewhat luxurious single family homes and not cheap ones, where people build a certain kind of life for their kids and for their own peace of mind, are incompatible with the concept of apartment living, which is wonderful. I've had to do it in my lifetime, but it

is completely in congruous with this development, this neighborhood, and I think I've said enough on that subject, but thank you all for considering the fact that you have a leadership role and we really expect you guys to step up to it. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

Thank good evening everybody. uh Arisafa 2323 Pullman Way. Uh ours is one of the houses, the eight houses that would line that little uh backyard that abuts the new development. And one of the striking things that me, my wife, and our three kids and now soon to be four. uh when we were looking for buying houses and we drove around this area found uh in today's age where you have u parents pushing their kids to actually play outside and get out of the couch or the mobile phone um all the kids are actually playing in the backyards uh or or biking around independently um and on those roads uh I play with my three kids I'm playing pickle ball soccer and sometimes the ball often goes on the road so definitely a traffic concern I'm not going to push there people have talked about it the biggest thing is the traffic study how convenient opinion that we're going to do it in a in a in a in a in a time period of June to September where all the school is off, everybody's on vacation, uh the traffic is inherently going to be low, but I'm not sure if that's from the township itself or that's just conveniently chosen time uh to do a traffic study. Um that's point number one. Um the second point is um you know I I'm a surgeon scientist and whenever we come out with uh new medications or drugs or any kind of new things and techniques, we all talk about randomized control trials. which is we do an experiment arm and a control arm and we see how the experiment lasts. But you know what? Last time we checked, we did not need a randomized control trial to see if parachutes actually help people when they shoot out of or jump out of a plane. You need a parachute. And I understand that there are ordinances, there are certain rules that everybody has to govern stamp, but I'm pretty or disapproving a plan especially given the fact that there are a lot of people saying that it doesn't seem safe. It doesn't look safe. Um last and not the least um you know there are a lot of uh first responders who live in our community and uh um there is a certain amount of time at which we have to respond uh and they need to respond to the medical center or other places and I

believe if you have 700 odd cars moving through that neighborhood. Um I I already feel the the Middletown and Joanne is is a bottleneck in the mornings. I think that's a it's a huge safety concern. Um, and that's that's all. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir.

Good evening. Um, my name is Cynthia Lou. I live at 1111 Chadwick Circle. Um, we moved to Dair Township in 2009. My husband and I were newlyweds. Um, and we just read this book about how Starbucks decides where to put their new stores. They look for doggy daycarees. And that's a sign of gentrification. So, as we moved and we bought our very first home together, we actually drove around to all the developments and had this Excel spreadsheet of the ratio of outdoor kid playyards to houses. And that's how we determined that we were going to live in Stone Creek, the community, the children we saw outside. So, fast forward, we have two children now, 11 and 14. And we actually had this really cool milestone this weekend. Our 14-year-old went to Philly for the first time, saw his very first, and I told him that because I believe Middletown Road is too traffic, too congested, and unsafe. And actually, if you look at the study that the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation did, it's a 10-year study from 2013 to 2023. They say, quote, "16,000 cars travel on Middletown Road daily." This is an exact quote from the study. The corridor is heavily trafficked and known for speed issues and higher than average crash rates. On average in the study, there were 39 crashes on an annual basis. That is one crash every nine days. Of those crashes that occurred, 51% of crashes resulted in personal injuries. PennDOT said reducing the posted speed limit is not an effective method of

controlling speeds on this road as traffic tends to drive at speeds the roads feel comfortable for regardless of the limit. There is a problem on Middletown Road with traffic and safety. The state department of transportation has recognized that we don't need to add more traffic to that area. As you guys thoughtfully consider this development and expansion of Clifton Heights, I would ask you to think about it in the totality of the development that's taking place. If you think about that three mile corridor between 322 and 283, there's also a lot of development taking place. The dairy planning commission has already proved approved the Islamic center that will be less than a mile away from Clifton Heights.

Miss Luke, can you wrap it up please? Very shortly. In that new Islamic Center, you're going to have a 40 thou 48,000 square foot building on 9 and a half acres. It's been approved that that area will also have 97 parking spaces. Miss Lou, you had your three minutes, please. Would anyone actually see me one of their minutes so I could speak for a minute longer some of these stats?

So a mile down from this Clifton Heights expansion, we're also going to have an Islamic center of 48,000 square ft and already planning approved 97 parking spaces and potentially another 119 parking spaces. Additionally, in this three-mile corridor, The Grove has come before you. A few months ago, The Grove is a development of 52 acre mixed unit development. That would be on Middletown Road between Wooden Grove Street. It would be less than 2 miles from our existing Stone Creek and this Clifton Heights expansion. That would be 14,000 square foot grocery store, eight retail spaces, six restaurants, a 6,000qt convenience store, 126 town houses, 32 single family semi- detached units, and 24 family detached units. What I would say is there's a lot of development going on in Dair Township. It's a great place to live. It's a great place to do business. I would ask as you guys consider the Clifton Heights expansion, you think of the safety and you also think in totality the development that is happening around this area.

Good evening. Did you give her one of your minutes?

I did. I I don't have that long to talk. Uh Kim Theon, 1270 Stone Creek Drive. So move that down. I'm very concerned here about the business strategy. The decision to route luxury apartments through the high-v value residents in Stone Creek versus routing potential residents on existing roads. Looking at other options, routing them on the lower cost existing housing that on Clifton Heights raises ethical concerns about prioritizing development and profitability over the safety, wellness, and interest of our residents that are already living here. I believe that businesses should practice policies around do no harm, which I don't think is being prioritized here. Thank you. Thank you,

Jeff McNamera, 2363 Palman Way, Hummeltown. Um, thank you all for, you know, hearing our concerns. I agree with most of what everyone said. Um, just a a a question, a a general question. You had raised the point earlier that um if they do everything they need to do and there's no legal way to say no, you just have to rubber stamp it. And it seems like that's going on a lot in Derry. All you're doing is saying yes to every development possible. Maybe the rules have to change where you have some power to say no to things because if you legally are obligated to do it because they have checked all the boxes, that doesn't seem like you're doing what your constituents want and that doesn't seem a very democratic system. Thank you. Anybody else care to step up to the plate? Seeing none, uh I'm going to give uh about five minutes here if anybody would like to leave so we can get back into the regular agenda. You guys want to take a quick break? Okay, we're going to recess for a minute. So, See indeed. I hate that. All right.

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of our new assistant director of the community.

It's something kind of fun. You know, it's with great pleasure that I introduce Leslie to you, although many of you have already met her. Um she did start on April 27th. Um Leslie has a bachelor's degree in geography with a minor in biology from Bucknell and a master's degree in ge geoenvironmental sciences from Shippensburg University. Additionally importantly, Leslie is a resident of Derry Township and we always like that. Um Leslie was most recently the zoning codes compliance officer with Mannheim BR was previously the sustainability manager for the Pennsylvania Municipal League. She was also a project manager consultant with uh DCED where she assisted municipalities with flood plane ordinance updates, provided flood plane management training and manage statewide municipal data. Uh she was also a chemical operations specialist in the United States Army. Um Leslie did say that what drew her to Dair Township was the trans chance to contribute to the community where she lives and also to work um and grow professionally with a real well wellrespected department that can't speak very well tonight. I've come to know uh Leslie over the years, you know, our paths have crossed and I'm really happy to have her as part of our team.

Outstanding. Welcome Leslie. Is it baptism by fire tonight? Huh? Okay. It can only get better. Yeah. All right. Um, our next two agenda items were going to table because of the late hour. Uh, they were just slight uh reports. So, we'll hear those at the next meeting. Uh, let's see. Our next agenda item will be the appointment to the Dair Township Industrial Commercial Development or the ICDA Authority.

Mr. Jackson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Due to a resignation from the ICDA board, there is an unexpired term ending December 31st, 2027. Uh so you have a candidate before you this evening. Uh you've got all of his information in your board packet and u that candidate for consideration this evening is Mr. be Petty. Where is Mr. Pilei? Mr. Pile, you want to come up and sell? Do you want to come up and sell yourself? My CV and everything else. I No. No, not at all. I I see your resume here. It's very accomplished. I didn't I thought they weren't supposed to be this long anymore. CD can be very long.

My goodness. Okay. Is there a motion to appoint Mr. We move that we appoint Lou Palei as the uh a member of the ICDA board to replace the unexpired term of Jay Franklin. Thank you, Miss Bard. There's a second. Second. All those in favor? I oppose. Hearing none. Congratulations, Mr. Pilei.

You're in like Flynn. Okay, next one. Consideration of adoption of ordinance number 2026-03 amending chapter 225 the zoning of the code of Derry Township by allowing the physical occupational or speech language therapy facility use as a byite permitted use in the east chocolate overlay of the Palmdale mixeduse and Hershey mixeduse zoning district. Mr. Emer, you like the way I got you to do the presentation?

I figured. Yeah. This is related to the hearing that we had tonight at 6:30, two and a half hours ago. Um, I'll point out that the planning commission, both planning commissions, the township and county have recommended that this ordinance be adopted as written, which is my recommendation as well. Thank you, Mr. Rick. I'll make Do you have a question? No, I was going to make the motion, but you go ahead. Oh, I was going to make the motion for a change. Uh, I'll make the motion that this ordinance number 2026-3 is hereby adopted. I'll second. Thank you, Miss Ballard. Oh. Uh this is also open for public comment. Seeing none. Uh all those in favor I

I opposed hearing none. The motion carries. Congratulations. Okay. We have street art or so they say. Consideration of a proposal for street art on the property adjacent to 14 East Chocolate Avenue. I remember you. Yes. So, hi everyone. Oh, Chuck's gonna get it pulled up. Mr. Chairman, I'm already going to turn this over to them because they have a lovely presentation. Oh, wonderful.

Yes. So, Rick, you will hear the same presentation that we gave at the downtown core board. But, hi everyone. My name is Allison Hannah from Penoni Associates. And like I said, this is the same presentation that we just gave the downtown core design review board. And we did receive a certificate of um appropriateness from them on the April 27th meeting. And as we go through um you'll see that this is a really coordinated effort to bring back trolley number seven to Hershey. So, coordinated effort between um Milton Hershey's school archive, Milton Hershey School itself, um Hershey's story, Hershey History Museum, and me taking all of their ideas as the landscape architect and turning it into life. So, we're going to start out with Lisa, and she's going to give a brief history of try number seven. Good evening everyone. My name is Lisa Mallaloy and um I do live in 102 West Krakus Avenue in Derry Township. Um I'm representing the Hershey History Center, Hershey Hershey Dary Historical Society on the committee that you have here. Um I have a brief history of the Hershey number seven um to share with you to um about this is the street art Hershey number seven in front of you here. Um, out of a need to supply his new chocolate business with milk and workers from neighboring communities and to provide transportation for residents, Milton Hershey formed a street car system. In 1903, the Hummelstown and Campbell Town Street Railway. And in 1904, the first three cars ordered from the Brill Company in Philadelphia were delivered. As land acquisitions and line extensions occurred, in 1913, the Hershey Transit Company was formed. At the height of operations, the system had 35 miles of track, 34 street cars, and

was considered best-in-class. Over the years, to supplement car orders from the Brill Company, street cars were purchased from other systems such as the city of Baltimore. Hershey number seven is one of three inner urban type street cars built by the Cincinnati Car Company. Originally, these cars ran on the Epherta and Lebanon Street Railway Company. All three of those cars were transferred to Hershey Transit from 1930 to 1946. The Cincinnati cars were slower and geared for mountainous terrain, which made them practical for climbing to Hotel Hershey in the Milton Hershey Senior Hall. When the Hershey Transit Company ended operations in 1946, all the street cars were sold and a newly married couple purchased number seven as their first home and settled in Enola, Pennsylvania. Friends of the Hershey Trolley, a committee of the Hershey Dairy Township Historical Society, was formed in 1995 by Brad and Lisa Ginder. Their mission was to identify the location or demise of the Hershey Transit street cars and to share that information in its history with the community. In 2007, Friends of the Hershey Trolley partnered with the Hershey Foundation to acquire number seven from the granddaughter of the young couple who had purchased number seven and who was living in number seven at that year. With volunteer support from local organizations and trolley enthusiasts, Hershey number seven returned to the Hershey and started on its restoration journey thanks to the generous contributions, thousands of volunteer hours, and support from the community at large. Thank you.

Good evening.

Good evening. John Osmolinsky, senior director of Milton Hershey's school facilities. Um, so President Gert was approached by uh Lou uh to uh offer the opportunity to purchase trolley number seven. So, uh, President Gird asked, uh, me and to form a little committee, which is Alicia and Valerie and Lisa and, uh, Ellison and some some of my teammates to, uh, evaluate where would, if the trolley were to be purchased and refurbished, where would it be placed, where best to place it. So, we did look at a number of locations on campus and around the community and and we all felt that ideally the best location really is on the corner of Chocolate Avenue and Coco where it could be seen by the community, embraced by the community and and really that's the area that it primarily served one of the uh travel routes it primarily served. So, uh it was agreed upon. Uh we did go to the downtown core uh design review board as Allison said and presented the imagery that Allison will go over uh to present the uh what we call street art now uh for the display and uh would hope that we have the board of supervisors backing of the interpretation of it as a street art. It will be uh available for um visitation by the public. Um not interior uh primarily but exterior. Uh we've oriented the tra the trolley so that uh any signage would be not visible from the street public street. Uh but there's placeholders for the public to step off the sidewalk look at it and walk around the back side of it. Um, and I won't steal all all of Allison's thunder. She'll show you how we plan to

illuminate it, landscape the area, etc. So, right now, the trolley is in Iowa being restored by a company who off top my head, I forget the name of the company, but uh, it will be returning back to Hershey in sometime in summer of 2027. So, it will be fully restored interior, faithfully restored, and the exterior with the exception of the roof will be canvas-like material to be more weather resistant. It's going to have a a very high-end paint finish. Our maintenance department will be maintaining the the uh trolley itself and the grounds. Um, so any questions uh so far for what I've outlined? And if not, I'll turn it over to Allison. All right, everyone again. So, my name's Allison Hannah from Penoni. So, I'm going to walk you through the plan as you can see up here on the screen. So, 14 East, uh, the Hershey Theater is over here on your right. So, this is what we call the West Lawn. So, if you've been out there, there's a lot of construction trailers out there now. They're going to get taken out and the lawn's going to get restored and the trolley is going to go at the corner of Cocoa Avenue here and Chocolate Avenue just like John said where its home was before. Uh we have situated it so it is not within any right ofways and you can actually see this little dash line that's kind of off in the corner that is uh sight lines. So not impeding any sight lines whatsoever. This is a right turn. right turn only. So most cars would be sitting up here looking to the left. So no issues with sight lines. Um so pedestrians as they come through uh if they take this sidewalk, we have this little viewing nook right off of the sidewalk. So if you wanted to view the trolley a little bit closer and kind of

get off the sidewalk, we do have that little viewing nook there with ballards that would be behind you to give you extra safety. There are ballards all around this outside um for safety of not only pedestrians but the trolley itself as well. Uh low-level planting in front of the trolley so you still can visibly see the trolley from all angles that it's not impeding it at all. And as you go to the back here, we have uh concrete walkways that lead you up to this granite pavered semicircle that we have come up with the idea. If you guys have ever been up to um Penn State at their arboritum or even I think at the state museum in Harrisburg, they have maps that are um on the ground. The one up at Penn State's more of like a watershed exhibit, but using the map that the trolley used to run and having that um etched into the granite that's going to be in that courtyard um so you can actually interact with and and visibly see the trolley route and also calling out historical places around Hershey as well. And one fun thing about this little walkway is we're gonna have um have it stamped with old trolley tickets so you can see kind of the history and how it plays into it. There's a lot of motifs that are in this design that kind of relate back to the trolley. Um so as John mentioned with signage, we envisioned some signage back here. While it's not fully designed, that's kind of where we're thinking so we don't have to worry about it facing out towards the roadway. um historical lighting around this area as well and benches for people to rest. One thing that did get brought up um I think it was kind of on accident at the downtown core design review board was um about the street sign that's out in the main main entryway uh about that would be nice if somehow out at 14 east that that was brought back. So we have

placed it this corner and I have some perspective images uh next that you can see see where it's going to be. So these perspective images really bring bring this to life and you can see how this trolley will sit here on the corner. So there's a bunch of pictures to go through and a lot of them kind of look the same. Really the only difference is is some kind of we toyed with putting planting beds on this side where this ballard goes. Some of these were iterations before we knew that that sign was going to go there on the corner. So like this one doesn't have it there, but we are going to put that sign and light on that corner. So this kind of shows those different tickets that would be stamped into into the granite. And this is how it would look at nighttime.

Love that. All lit up. That looks so cool. Yeah. And now we'll go to the educational piece of this.

Good evening everyone. My name is Valerie Sber. I'm the senior manager of historical collections and exhibitions at the Hershey Story Museum and I'm here representing the MS Hershey Foundation. My name is Alicia Schllober. I'm the manager of school history for the Milton Hershey School. So, this is a pretty unique project. Um, as we all know, Hershey is a very unique company town, and it's been 80 years since a trolley has ridden down chocolate avenue. Milton Hershey envisioned a community where people had choice, which was very different from many communities that were based around a central industry. The trolleys allowed people to live outside of town and take the trolley to work. The trolleys allowed students to take the trolley to school. The trolleys also carried milk to the factory. This was a multi-use, multi-function um company that Mr. Hershey had designed. Um I've been working with historical collections for over 20 years. And never in my life have I ever thought that this would be possible to have a magnitude, an artifact of this size return to its home community where it could be appreciated, preserved, and loved. In addition to that, it's not just that we get to see this very cool thing come back to life, but it's going to be in an important part of our community right downtown. This is an area where, you know, we're talking about we have Halloween parades and other things that we do with our kids and millions of people pass through as a tourist destination every year. So, we get to see an not just an actual piece of our history, but something that was directly connected to Mr. Hershey. We know that he loved the trolley system. We know that he rode on the trolley system. So this is something that not only is with all of us in our community, but it's

directly connected to our founder as well. So it really is just emphasizing the uniqueness of it. From an education perspective, we are also really excited to have the opportunity to teach with this. How do we explain this to children? How do we explain this to groups that come in? Why is this important? What can we do here? How does this represent the start of our town? So, it's not just a very cool community piece. It we're also hoping to bring in an educational piece to it as well. Um, with the signage that's going to be outside, you'll be able to access hersheyleacy.com that will allow people to see more about the trolley, read more about our town, and hopefully from there, you know, just keep going with our history. Also, with it being attached to the community building, it's going to again just bring more history to this section of the town.

Is there anything else you wanted to add? Okay. Sorry. I know you all have been here for a long time. Oh, no. No. We'd like to stay a little longer. Is that it? Yep. That is it. We just have some more images up here. Um, but that is it for our uh trolley presentation. Uh, if anybody has any questions for us, we'd be happy to answer them. Board, you have any questions? I have a few questions. Sorry. Here, but still have a job to do. All right. So, just for for the Ballards, are they outside the clear zone? I mean, yes. Okay. Yep. All good.

Uh, and then I saw the one Ballard seemed to be in the sidewalk. I don't know if we could slide it over. Yes. So, this is why we were going to put the planting bed that one. Yep. So, that's why I was talking about there's a couple iterations that we didn't know what to do with that random ballard and and we didn't like it there. So, Okay. that is why we're going to put a planting bed there. I also didn't like it there. All right. Great. Uh and then there was was there there signage on the backside?

Yeah. So, we are going to respect the ordinances and we know that if we would have any signage out here facing the street, there's more things that we have to do. We don't want to do that. So, it's going to be placed back here where there's more room for people that they can also safely view it so people aren't crowding at the street corner. Understood. Okay, that's what I thought. But then I saw this when I saw the the benches. I was like, "Oh, maybe I got tricked." But what kind of information will be on those plots? That is a great question. Um, we haven't like fully thought it out yet. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. To be determined. Is it like educational kind of stuff? Yeah. Educational. Oh, sorry.

The idea is this gives us an opportunity to tell the story of the trolleys. Um, and also provide some pictures and some context so that people understand why we put this giant trolley right in this center of town. Yeah. Great. No, I appreciate the project. I wish we could get some more transit back into the community. That'd be great. Yes. So, thank you for this. Tremendous. Awesome. Anybody else? I'd like to make a motion. Well, wait a minute. I'm I have I I actually have one question. Okay. It's It's not that hard. Trust me. Did you guys solve the issue of a some kind of platform to let people look in? So, we have not. Okay. I know you mentioned something about ADA compat compatibility or something. So,

yeah. So whenever we have gone through many different iterations of this design which did involve putting some kind of platform in front of it and when we had looked at ADA accessibility to get the height up that path let me go back to the site plan. Um was stretching basically all the way down here. Um, and it was a lot of a lot more extra sidewalk and it was impeding in more to the west lawn than I think anyone wanted wanted to happen. Do you foresee retrofitting something down down the road?

I don't know. Well, I think during our downtown core meeting, we had talked about um possibly like certain events letting people in. And it's a little hard to tell from these pictures, but the step is pretty low cuz thinking about it as those trucks were going down, no one really had a step to to get in. Now, ADA accessibility wasn't a thing back then. Um but I'm sure whenever those times come, that would happen. I'd just like to add one other thing relevant to uh we're going to play with the grade a little bit to see if we could raise the grade on the building side of the trolley to allow a little bit more give a little more height so people can possibly look in also our cell phone or whatever they'd be able to scan a QR code and see a video of the interior of the trolley.

It's an outstanding idea. Very good. Yeah, go ahead. Lou Verdelli representing the Hershey history center. I think one of the other things that we heard a lot of feedback on was showing it uh or mounting trolley on rails. Yes. So it looked authentic. So I think there was some concern that if you put some type of step there that we would be blocking that as well as I would point out that

those are real trucks that it's sitting on um that have also been shipped to Iowa. So they are real. They're functional. They're really heavy. And I think that creates the uh look of how original it was. So I think if we were doing anything that would block seeing the wheels or or trucks as they're officially called um we would try to avoid that. So that was one of the other So we're going to have a huge dedication ceremony, right? We hope so.

All right. And and just in closing, I I I would like to speak on behalf of the history center and and uh express our gratitude to President Ge, to John and his team because they are the only partners that could make this project happen. We're all excited about it. um the reference to this being I think one of the most iconic pieces of our history and the fact the development of our town that it led to and to think that it's going to be prominently displayed here at the corner of Chocolate and Coco Avenue. I I don't think any of us could have ever imagined it being uh such a cool project. I'd add that based on the feedback that you heard from the crowd earlier that this should not generate any additional vehicle traffic or any noise. So hopefully that makes it a more attractive project and and also to recognize both Lisa Ginder and Lisa Mallaloy. Yes, they have been a champion of this project for years and years raising money as the renovations that we tried to do to it were taking place over in the trolley barn. and also uh recognize that Mr. Zamuda brought this idea up many years ago. Uh we always it was out there. We couldn't we didn't have the resources to make it happen. So, uh we couldn't be more excited to be able to show this to you.

Let's get it done. It's terrific. You have any other questions? No. Summer 2027. That's what you said, John. When the trolley is going to come, summer 2027. Yep. Yeah. So the plan is is those uh trailers are going to be moved out um come September

and yeah Turner our general contractor is planning on uh ending moving the trailers out uh end of July early August because we want to do we're moving relocating the sidewalk along adjacent to Coco Avenue. We're bringing it inboard so we have a safety strip between the curb and the sidewalk and then we have light lighting to put in. We want to install uh if if the suing support tonight, we want to go move forward and install this late summer the concrete work and the track that Lou referenced and do the landscaping and plant the lawn so that everything is ready next spring late spring summer next year. Charlie probably will be brought in by crane set on the tracks and we're then there'll be I'm sure a celebration ceremony.

Call me up. Yeah, we'll be with you. Okay, that is it. Okay, great. Nice. Bruno, I think you wanted to make I would be incredibly honored to to move that authorization is granted for the trolley as proposed. Thank you, Mr. Belushi. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, Mr. Curado. Thank you for showing up tonight. All those in favor? I opposed hearing none. The motion carries. Congratulations. Good luck. Thank you for doing this.

That's great. Okay, moving right along. Consideration to author authorize the advertisement for the sale of township owned property. Who do I have down there today? Wait, who is that? Mr. Watts. Mr. Watts. Oh, I know that. Mr. Watts.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. public works department has several pieces of equipment or inventory that it is has exceeded its life expectancy or has been replaced increasing maintenance costs and/or parts are difficult to obtain. It is intended or recommended that the below listed equipment inventory be advertised for sale through an online public auction as they are no longer serve a useful purpose for the township. Unless Mr. Nelson tells me I have to uh I won't list every piece of equipment. You do not have to. Thank you, sir.

Uh, I would like to request consideration to allow the public works department to include additional equipment as discovered. These items have been placed on the agenda to provide an opportunity for the board of supervisors to approve the advertisement of various equipment inventory for the sale of township owned property. It's my recommendation the board of supervisors approve to advertise for the sale of township owned property. Thank you, Mr. Watts. Appreciate that. Any questions from the board? I have no questions. Somebody' like to make a motion. I move we approve to advertise the sale of township owned property by way of an online public auction. Thank you, Miss Ballard. Is there a second? Second.

Thank you, Miss Bushi. Mr. Watts, put your advertisement out. Okay, next one. Oops. I just pressed acceptance of financial security for storm water management plan for 200 East Hershey Park Drive S2023- 0006. Mr. Emer,

thank you. This is uh uh for the low volume driveway at Trogues Independent Brewing. HRG reviewed the cost estimate prepared by the applicant's engineer and recommended that financial security in the amount of 539,7 $782 be provided which they have provided by a uh Harkco National Insurance Company bond. They've also entered into the standard agreement to provide financial service uh financial security to guarantee completion of improvements for stormwater plan. I'm recommending that the board accept the money and sign the agreement.

Thank you, Mr. Emer. Any questions from the board? Seeing none, can I have a motion? I'll move that the board of supervisors accepts financial security in the amount of $539,782 in the form of Harkco National Insurance Company bond number 30007255 and enters into the agreement to provide financial security with TIBI LLC for the storm water management plan for 200 East Hershey Park Drive S-23-006. Thank you, Mr. Bush. Is there a second? Seven. Thank you, Mr. Curado. Any further questions? Seeing none, is there is there

a vote? I I Any opposed? Hearing none, the motion carries. Okay, last one. Acceptance of financial security for the storm water management plan for 321 Coco Avenue S2024012. Mr. Emer again.

Thank you. This plan was for storm water management facilities for an additional driveway and sidewalk at 321 Coco Avenue. The applicants and property owners are Craig and Chelsea Miller. Uh, HRG reviewed the cost estimate prepared by the applicants engineer and recommended the financial security in the amount of $7,337 be provided. The applicants have provided the security in the form of cash, have entered into the township standard agreement. I'm recommending that the board accepts the cash uh financial security and enters into the agreement with Craig and Chelsea Miller. Thank you, Mr. Remmer. Any questions? Just have one question. Going back to the first comment of the evening, this is not an approval of the plan. This is just an acceptance of the storm water.

That is correct. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Can I hear a motion? I'll make a motion that the board of supervisors accepts cash financial security in the amount of $7,337 and enters into the agreement to provide financial security between Craig M. and Chelsea N. Miller and the township for the storm water management plan for 321 Coco Avenue S-2024-012. Thank you, Mr. Curado. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, Miss Ballard. All those in favor? I

opposed hearing. None. The motion carries. And that concludes finally our agenda for the evening. Uh, which opens up our second public comment session. Would anybody like to get up and say something? No. Thank you. You were looking at it. I'll speak. All right. That closes our public comment section. Seeing as nobody was there. What opens now is our board and department head reports. I'll start at my left here with Mr. Paluchcci. Nothing to report. Mr. Cra, there's nothing to report. Miss Ballard. Nothing to report. Mr. Myers,

I have two things to report. Uh, it's bike to work day on May 15th, and the ride of silence honoring those who have gotten hit on a bike and passed away will be next Wednesday, May 20th, will ride to the Capitol in silence. That's a thing. That is a thing. I never knew that. Now you do.

Yeah. And all I have to say is and my audience is gone. I had the the absolute privilege and honor of attending the dedication of a war memorial in Luxembourg uh the last few days and u it was absolutely spectacular. This is it. Uh this is at the that water tower was a lookout point for not that Um, this is at the in the Arden and I know some of my colleagues didn't know what the Arden was, but it's a large forested area where the Battle of the Bulge took place. Um, it's significant because the Pennsylvania 28th Infantry Division uh took part in that and stopped the Germans from crossing in. I also had the opportunity to visit Baston and jump in a foxhole, a World War II foxhole. It's a great trip. Um, I would recommend anybody going there. I also had to make a presentation there. Uh, a couple thousand people attended this event. So, and Miss Jacobine, I have a couple of little books for you to put your library, World War II library uh, uh, records. All right. And that's all I have.

Thank you for drive traveling there, Rick. Yeah, it was it was really really really good. Okay, I'm gonna let's move along here. I know we all want to get out of here. Chief Warner, you got something for us?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh this week, uh members of the Dair Township Police Department Honor Guard Unit are participating in National Police Week activities and ceremonies in Washington DC culminating in Peace Officers Memorial Day on May 15th. During this solemn occasion, the unit will have the privilege of honoring the ultimate sacrifices of fallen law enforcement officers. As a part of their duties, the honor guard will provide a dignified and respectful presence, assisting the families of those heroes as they arrive and escorting them to various ceremonies and events throughout the week. This opportunity allows the Dair Township Police Department to pay tribute to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice in the line of duty while also demonstrating its commitment to supporting the families and colleagues of fallen officers. Uh the honor guard unit defers the costs and expenses through the sale of challenge coins uh and other items. They also receive donations from various businesses in the township. We would like to thank those who have donated to the honor guard unit and ask anyone else who is interested in donating to defer the cost of this noble annual endeavor to contact Sergeant Jason Road.

Thank you, Chief. And thank you for the coins and the cross I I'm not sure what the cross guns were. That's the honor guard. That's the honor guard. Okay. Thank you for both of them. That was very considerate. Very considerate. Miss Jackabine, uh two short things. So, the library will be closed on Monday, May 25th, and we have our summer reading kickoff party on May 30th. That it. Thank you. That was short. Miss Walker,

a quick reminder that the um for the community to mark their calendars for the annual Memorial Day ceremony that will be held at Chocolatetown Park in the Court of Honor on Monday, May 25th. The prelude will begin at 10 a.m. and the rema remainder of the ceremony will follow. Uh any additional information can be found at Dair Township Parks Facebook, Instagram, and the Township E-News. Thank you very much, Miss Walker. I have a quick question for you. I don't want to belabor this. Have you guys started your discussions on the policies for the swimming pool this year as there were some difficulties last year? Yes, we are. Um I I believe you're referencing the high temperature admission policy. Yeah.

Um we are going to continue that. We are going to expand those hours. So from 11:00 a.m. to 6 pm this year when it's 88 degrees or above, but that will come from from management. So you know, say we have 88 degrees and maybe it's a rainy day, it's likely not to be uh effect in effect that day. Um, we will continue to update that information on all social media outlets and the parks and wreck uh website page as we did last year and also our uh staffwide will be aware of it um prior to 11:00 a.m. that day so they can notify any calls that would come in and post any signage.

Great. Thanks very much. Very informative. Scott, good to see you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, on behalf of the fire department, just wanted to report that we added three new members to the crew this this month. Uh we had 67 calls for the month. Um with uh the new attack arriving not too long ago here. Um it is currently um scheduled to go to the fire expo in Harrisburg on Friday and Saturday for display uh by the manufacturer. Um and then uh it will then travel to Glick for mounting of equipment and we're anticipating training occurring shortly after that with placing in service. So we appreciate the support of the board and uh that uh some really nice equipment that's going to help us to handle what we need to do in the future.

Thanks Scott. Mr. Watts, can I add something? Oh, I'm sorry. I just wanted to say um chicken barbecue looked like a amazing success and was impressed with the operations. That event is a actually a partnership event that benefits the fire department and we always kick in to help them out. So, uh we're grateful for it. It's it's been quite successful and I'm sorry I had to work that day and I didn't get any chicken. Got miss it. I was under the weather.

Okay. I didn't have to work that day and I got some chicken. So, I just wanted to note a little bit of road work that's been taking place in house. Um, in front of the Hotel Hershey, there was some bad uh base failure. So, there was uh about four uh spots that were either base or patch repair completed last week. Um there is some additional work ono on Hotel Road um closer to the Hershey Gardens entrance between there and Hershey Park Drive. There's some base failure and some patch repairs that need to be done before it fails more miserably. Um but we have moved on um from that road. We'll we'll return to it, but um in advance of some maintenance treatments on Kaylor and Stoddale. Um if you're traveling on those roads, just be cautious. Uh some milling of patch repairs have been started there. And um we're not done. There's going to be some additional uh milling on Kaylor before we do the final uh pavement uh treatment on that. So just be careful as you drive through those those two roads, Stoddale and Kaylor.

Thank you, Mr. Watts. You guys are doing a bangup job out there. Keep it up. Mr. Stump, no report tonight. Mr. Emer, I'm finished. You're done, too. Would you like to say something? No. Mr. Jackson, nothing for me. Thank you everyone for hanging in there this evening. I move. Thank you, Miss Bard. Thank you, Mr. Meeting is ajourned. Good night. It's past my bedtime.