City Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the regular commission meeting of the Delray Beach City Commission this Tuesday, August the 11th of 2026. If the clerk would please call the roll.

Deputy Vice Mayor Marker. Here. Commissioner Mulligan. Here. Commissioner Cassell. Here. Vice Mayor Burns. Here. Mayor Carney. Here. We have a quorum.

Thank you very much. If you would all please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance. Agenda approval. Has everyone had the opportunity to see the agenda? Are there any deletions, subtractions, or?

None. I make a motion to approve the agenda.

Do I have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Presentations. Vice Mayor Burns is going to be making a presentation in recognition of the Church of God of Prophecy.

Yes, good evening everyone. We have a certificate of recognition for the Church of God of Prophecy, and we have members of the church, the bishop is here tonight, and I'll go ahead and read the proclamation, I mean the certificate. Bishop Luke Wilford Lauriston and the congregation in celebration of your 45th church anniversary. The mayor and the city commission of the city of Delray Beach proudly congratulate the Church of God of Prophecy on the joyous celebration of 45 years of faithful ministry and dedicated service. For more than four decades, your church has been a spiritual home for the Haitian community, faithfully sharing the gospel, strengthening families, preserving faith and cultural heritage, and inspiring hope through worship, prayer, and compassionate service. Under the leadership of Bishop Luke Winifred Laurison, your congregation has maintained steadfast in his commitment to God's calling and to building lives according to his divine purpose. Inspired by your anniversary theme, Build According to the Pattern of God Has Revealed from Exodus 2540, your ministry has reflected God's love through unwavering faith, servant leadership, and a lasting commitment to uplifting others. The city of Delray Beach is honored to recognize you and for your many contributions to the spiritual, culture, and civic life of our community. We congratulate you on this remarkable milestone and offer our sincere appreciation for your enduring legacy of faith and service. May God continue to bless the Church of God of Prophecy, Bishop Luke Winifred Lawson, and your congregation with abundant grace, strength, and many more years of fruitful ministry. And then I have some French down here that I'm not going to mess up, so I'm going to leave it alone. Presented this 11th day of August, 2026, by the City of Delray and the Commission. Congratulations. Thank you.

Okay, Mr. Moore, we would like the introduction of our new Economic Development Manager.

Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, City Commissioners. Much appreciated. So, as I advised the City Commission via the July 17, 2026 City Commission Information Letter, the Office of the City Manager is pleased to report that a selection was made to bring on board a professional to serve as the City's next Economic Development Manager. Mr. Samuel Kemp is his name. Kemp, C-A-M-P brings to the role meaningful economic development and applicable project management experiences. This includes administering business attraction initiatives, related strategic planning, land redevelopment support, and other responsibilities that align with goals, objectives, and focus for the city of Delray Beach. Mr. Camp is actually a native of South Florida. And he earned both undergraduate and graduate degrees in public administration from the University of Central Florida. In addition, certifications from the University of Kansas Public Management Center, as well as the University of North Florida. Previous professional experience specifically include positions with the Putnam County, Florida Chamber of Commerce, St. Johns County, Florida, as well as the city of Lawrence, Kansas. So my interest today, being that his first day of service began yesterday, thought it would be fitting for him to be introduced publicly. All for a word of two, but please join me in formally welcoming Mr. Samuel Kemp to the city of Delray Beach.

Just a quick word and then I'll let everyone get on with their evenings. Good evening, Mayor, Commissioners. Pleasure to be here. Like Terrence mentioned, I was born actually a couple miles from here at the hospital at Boca Raton. So I feel like it's a little bit of a homecoming. We did move when I was three years old. So A pleasure to be back here and pleasure to bring my experience to help you all serve the residents our neighbors and our businesses of Delray Beach Thank you very much welcome board and if I may mr. Mayor so mr. Kemp I'll embarrass you a little further so a footnote I included in the information letter report of July 17th your recognition

by the Florida Economic Development Council for your involvement in the 2025 Urban Deal of the Year Award for Publix Pharmaceutical Division Facility as part of the St. Johns County experience. If you can talk a little bit about that, please. That was quite impressive when we interviewed you for the opportunity. So meaningful record of achievement, and again, it aligns fairly nicely with what it is we hope to accomplish here in the city of Derry Beach. Do tell.

Yeah. So that deal was a little bit interesting. I think if you're not familiar with how large-scale industrial space is either built or leased out, developers do not like to sell that kind of property. They like to hold on to it as much as possible. But the deal with Publix was too lucrative. And so we had worked out a deal with the broker, the developer, and Publix to be one of the largest. They have only a few of those in the state for a good reason. I think they'll serve about a million prescriptions a month. or something around a week, and they'll serve as far down as Orlando all the way up to Macon, Georgia. It's a very large regional facility, so we are very pleased to work with Publix on that project. I look forward to bringing more of that success here to Delray Beach.

We look forward to it, too. It's one of those. All right.

Very well. Mr. Kemp, thank you, and again, welcome aboard. Thank you very much. Mr. Mayor, otherwise I yield at this time.

OK. Well, so you have the city manager's comments? No, you have none? OK. Then this meeting is going to be open to the public. We have a new set of instructions as it relates to public comment that our city attorney has provided. So I'm going to be reading this now. The next portion of the agenda is public comment. As always, each individual will have three minutes to address the Commission. This is not a question and answer opportunity, and members of the Commission will not be responding to inquiries from speakers. Speakers must address the Commission as a whole, not to any individual. Insults, personal attacks, and disruptions will not be permitted, and you will be asked to leave if you violate these rules. Please come up to the podium, state your name and zip code for the record. You will each have three minutes.

Scared them all off. Yeah, now nobody wants to talk.

Good afternoon, everyone. I'm Andrew Loric, 33426. If you're good with zip codes, you would recognize that that's actually not a Delray zip code. That's a Boynton zip code. And that is relevant to what I'm talking about today. So I'm here to answer a question that Mayor Carney asked during the last commission meeting during the economic development presentation. You asked a very simple question of, what is Gen Z looking for, and what are we not providing that they want? I feel uniquely qualified to answer that question, and I'll tell you why. In 2021, when I was 24 years old, I first came to Delray because I had a drug problem. I went to Ricoh Intensive. During that time, I walked all around Delray and fell in love with the city. I loved it here and still do. I used to get $5 tacos from Vote for Pedro and Delray Market. Great place. I now work as an engineer designing HVAC and plumbing systems for commercial buildings, many of which are in Delray. I've worked on Hyde Park Steakhouse, Atlantic Crossing, and many, many other ones. Mostly, I work on luxury apartments and condos, apartments that I, as an engineer who makes nearly $100,000 a year, cannot afford to live in. And that brings me to my first answer to your question. We want to live here, but the cost of living in Delray is so prohibitive that we are forced to live outside the city like second-class citizens. Apart from the cost of living in Delray, Delray lacks a lot of third spaces. Delray is mostly bars and restaurants, which are not a great place to meet new people and relax with friends. Restaurants are incredibly loud and extremely overpriced. Bars are not a good place to socialize either. Not only are they loud, overcrowded, and expensive, but they're totally inaccessible to people like me who are in recovery. One of the few places that we had was Delray Market, where Vote for Pedro used to be located. Delray Market was a lovely place with tons of little shops and sitting areas. It has now been replaced with Bounce, an expensive sit-down restaurant. So where do we go? the gym, jujitsu, home, online, not in Delray. That brings me to the second answer to your question. There is simply no place for us here. Delray has plenty of restaurants and bars to go to, but no third spaces that don't require us to open our wallets to access. Maybe there are third spaces in Delray, but I don't know about them. I think that promoting these spaces would be an excellent way to use the Instagram page, which is fantastic, by the way. I love seeing the Instagram posts. I think you all do a great job with that. And if you all use the Instagram to show some of these spaces, I think a lot more people would come down. I know one of the CRA's goals is placemaking, and that goes right along with what I'm speaking about. All right, thank you very much.

Thank you very much, sir.

Thank you. Hello, Stephanie Immelman, Dowery Beach Chamber of Commerce. I just have a couple events that I wanted to let you and the public know about that are coming up in August with the Chamber. On August 25th, we'll be having our Focus on Women Summer Soiree at the Hyatt Place from 5 to 8 p.m. This event supports our local, small, women-owned businesses. So it's a shopping event. There'll be clothes, shoes, jewelry, candles, gifts, etc., And it's free and open to the public. And we'll also have food from our local restaurants. So please come out and support your small businesses at the Hyatt Place on August 25th. And on August 27th, the Delray Chamber Education Fund will be holding our annual education breakfast. The Education Fund is our 501c3 nonprofit arm. There are still a few tickets left, and you can get them at delrayeducation.org. But it's a great opportunity to hear from our state representatives, Rob Long and Deborah Tendrich, that will be there. And immediately following, we're going to be having, I think it's the Mayor's Initiative on Education, where we bring the school district professionals together with some of our local nonprofits and people that are interested in education. And they'll be discussing the initiatives and the ideas and issues that came up during the Visions 2035 process. So that will be taking place immediately after on the same day. So we hope to see you and the public out at these events in August. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

George Long, 46 North Swinton. I would like to congratulate, was that the Parks Department put on the drone show? Yes. That was amazing. It really was. I watched it last time from the top of the parking garage. This time I watched it from Swinton Avenue. It was just great, anyway. But the thing that was really amazing about it, I never thought in my lifetime I would ever be holding a phone up to read the great QR code in the sky. And there it was. But the thing about it is my phone apparently picked up something in a pack further back that said, Earthlings Surrender. However, The drone show was so good, so technical, that they said they're not as stupid as they act. We need to move on. Thank you.

Thank you very much, Mr. Long.

Good evening. Pamela Williams, 33444. I'm going to go off script and off character, and today I've got accolades. I want to thank the Code Enforcement Department, as well as our police department. You know, my two biggest thorns in my side are what? The by-law as well as the adjacent property to me. We are getting strides as far as the property to my west. Code has identified an owner, brand new, and they are working with them to bring it up to par as far as the vegetation overgrowth and the loitering and perceived lewd and lascivious acts that are probably taking place in the home. So thank you, Jerry, and thank you, Chief, for working with me. I'm happy. I'm not the happiest, but we're getting there. We're getting there. And I also want to give a shout-out to the Parks and Recreation Department. I've had excellent experience working with both Gerard Smith, Prince Owens, Sonovian Stevens, and, believe it or not, Sam Mitak. I have some concerns in reference to the upkeep of the Pompey Park building as we go through the transition of building up a new. In my mind, pessimist, I had the impression or the assumption that it was going to be neglected until we got the brand new shiny building. No, they're doing a good job as far as the landscaping. My perceived iguana infestation. and the upkeep of it. So thank you to those who have not forgotten about those of us who still utilize Pompey Park every single day and would like to continue to see the ongoing maintenance and upkeep of it. So yep, accolades today, no complaints.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

name is Queen. I'm sure you all know me by now, especially the ones I don't know. Instead of me coming here giving a long speech today, I'm going to come in here and give questions because I normally come in here and give the answers, but I don't see any questions being received back. One of the things is, and we can make sure we put this on the docket, I would like to know what is the complaint process around here? What's the turnaround time? What do we do about complaints? If I filed a complaint of grievance, I got a response update, but Once I file a complaint on the city manager, what, we don't get to respond to those? I filed that complaint on what, the 24th city manager? Didn't get any response back from anyone yet. So I definitely want to know what's the complaints process. The next question, who's responsible for the neglect of the graveyard in section, the north section? We need to finally get to the bottom because some people need to be held accountable. It was neglected and it's still being neglected and it's bad. So we need to start getting some questions answered. The next one is who decided that that tall tree was going to be cut down anyway? Like who came up with that? Because if our graveyard is historical, who came up with the tree going to be cut down? We need to understand what does historical mean out to that graveyard. Because if you're historical, that means the city of Delray graveyard is stamped in the books in Tallahassee and of that graveyard that put a staple there in history. next thing i want to know so i would like to know who how did you guys come up with that decision that that tree will be cut down but the tree on atlantic avenue you fought for it to state the next question when will there be confirmed updates i mean we've been waiting since june and then we came back in july remember our city manager he was crying because of the firecracker incident where somebody made a mad him and his wife we need updates not pushing us around The next question, the graveyard buried since January the 26th. There is a grave out there for a young man. I want to know why is it that he don't have grass yet. He's been buried since January, so I definitely want to know who's on grass patrol. We also need an outside agency. There's a lot of corruptness and I believe fraud that prohibited our graveyard from being taken care of. to the magnitude that it needed to be taken care of. Because if that's an historical land, I would like to know what happened to the upkeeping. We need someone on the outside to investigate. Were you guys trying to harbor that land or keep it for mausoleums? Because as long as my grandmammy and Enoch is missing out there, and now I just found out that my granddaddy is also missing, we need to come up with some better answers. And I don't think I'm going to get it from that board. When we got a mayor on an American greed level being accused of a Ponzi scheme, 600 million, really?

Thank you very much.

And one other thing. For the names that are missing, I want to know about paperwork. What do you provide about the names that are missing? And I got more questions, so I'll be back to every meeting. We need paperwork to show the history that we had someone out there. Okay?

Thank you very much. You're welcome.

Oh, and a graveyard job.

Are there any other members of the public wishing to address the commission? Seeing none, public comment is closed. The consent agenda. I need a motion to approve the consent. Does anybody?

So moved. Second.

All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Consent agenda is approved. Okay. Regular agenda, 7A, resolution 121.26. Would the clerk like to read the, would the city attorney's office like to read the resolution into the record, please?

resolution number 121-26 a resolution of the city commission of the city of delray beach florida amending the fiscal year 2025-2026 budget adopted by resolution number 198-25 on september 15th perfect mr dockowitz yes mr mayor commission all officials um the resolution for 7a

is a line item budget transfer within the Parks and Recreation Department, moving $40,000 expenditure transfer from unused part-time salaries and FICA to contractual services for a Parks Maintenance Compound Southwest 4th Street restroom. The amount is $40,000. It's just a transfer from one line item to another. No financial impact anyway.

To the commission, any motion to approve? Sure.

Second. So moved.

All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? It is adopted. Thank you. Resolution 123-26.

Resolution number 123-26, a resolution of the City Commission of the City of Delray Beach, Florida, approving an impact event known as the sixth annual... international delray beach concourse to elegance to be held april 14th to 19 2027 on and around the old school square campus and authorizing the closure of northeast second avenue northeast first avenue is more specifically described herein authorizing the city manager to take all actions necessary to effectuate the intent of this resolution providing for an effective date and for other purposes

Good evening, Allie Bierman, Special Events Manager. So this is the sixth annual International Delray Beach Concourse d'Elegance, going to be held April 14 through 19. The reason it's before you is there was a small change in the footprint, so it had to come back for approval. It will have a financial impact to the city. The 50% nonprofit discount is now set at a maximum of $8,000. So that will be the maximum impact to the city. It is an impact event because the estimated attendance is at 10,000 people for this year. They had over 8,000 people last year, and they expect that number to go up. The event will take place on the Old School Square campus. However, it will include part of the front lawn and rooms at the Creative Arts School for the second time. The 2027 event will feature a Friday evening welcome reception at the Cornell and on the show field, as well as a Saturday evening cocktail party on the show field. And these parties, as well as the car show on Sunday, will include alcohol. And I went too far. That is the life safety plan and map for the event.

So the change is they take additional space being used.

Yes, they went from a 25-foot setback on the front lawn to a 10-foot setback on the front lawn.

OK.

Question about the events policy. I think Ms. Emmelman and I were speaking today. The cost will be more than that, right? I mean, the cap we made for the eight was not for city partners and city buildings and city events. Is that correct? I want to make sure we're understanding correctly what we're agreeing to today. Because I think typically the cost has been greater.

Yes. The nonprofit discount was a 50% discount before with the new adopted special event policy that went into effect in June. That went to a maximum of $8,000, but that does not include city partners and city events.

And that what?

Not city partners.

So that doesn't include this event then?

No, it doesn't. This is not a city partnered event. This is just a nonprofit entity putting on an event on city property.

I guess what I'm trying to say is what was the cost to taxpayers before this policy and what is the cost to taxpayers now?

Last year's event had a discount of, I think, $12,000. So now it goes down to $8,000.

We capped it today for any non-city, non-partner event. Correct.

OK, does Ms. Emelman want to speak to this? Is your understanding of how this is working? Oh, this one isn't your item? I'm so sorry. No, this is the concourse to elegance. Oh, I apologize profusely. I'm so sorry, folks. I'm on.

So that's in the never mind category.

I apologize.

That is the total never mind.

Can we get a motion? I'm so sorry.

So moved. And I apologize. I'm looking at the next item.

I'm so sorry. We got a motion and a second. We got a motion and a second. All in favor? Yes. Any opposed? I apologize again. OK. Thank you. Thank you very much.

I apologize. OK. I do know who she is with the hair.

Nominations and appointments to the Planning and Zoning Board. Based on the rotation system, the nomination for appointments of two qualified members and one at-large member to serve terms ending August 31, 2028, will be made by Commissioner Casale, Vice Mayor Burns, and Mayor Tom Carney.

Thank you. My choice is Scott Heyman.

Okay. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Great. Commissioner Burns.

My choice is to reappoint Deidre Strong.

Okay. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay. And my selection will be Mitch Katz to reappoint him. I appointed him the first time. I appointed him the second time. All in favor?

Aye. Any opposed? Okay.

Congratulations to all three. Nominations for appointment to the Board of Adjustment. These are two qualified members and one at-large member. Selections will be made by Vice Mayor Markert, Commissioner Malika, and Commissioner Casale. Commissioner, that would be Vice Mayor Markert.

I would like to reappoint John Delasio. All in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Okay. Appointed. Commissioner Malika.

I'd like to appoint Benjamin Arsali.

All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Appointed. Commissioner Casale.

Hang on a sec. I just want to go back and look at the instructions. It says two qualified and one at large. So we have two qualified. Well, the two appointed have been qualified. Good. I'm going to do Mr. Ronald. Mark Ronald. He's an incumbent, but...

He is an incumbent. Thank you. I appointed him the first time. Yes. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Great. Okay, so all three done. Nomination for appointment to the Historic Preservation Board. We have, again, a situation here where we have to have three qualified and one lay person. The appointments will be made by Commissioner Malika, Commissioner Casale, Vice Mayor Burns, and Mayor Carney. Commissioner Malika.

I nominate Zach Perdoe. He would be at large.

He would be. Obviously, he's a late person. Although, I'm going to have some questions on that. We won't do it to this, but he's also a contractor.

He is, indeed. Well, he doesn't hold the license, but he does own the business.

Well, he works for a contractor.

I said the same thing to him. I feel like he should be qualified. He should be.

Under the rules, he'd be qualified. The company qualifies. He qualifies. He does general contracting work, signs the documents. Okay.

So, Anthea is saying the HPB has, because they're state-designated. Okay. So, he doesn't qualify.

Okay. So, the one layperson has been appointed. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay.

Okay. So, that leaves me with my appointment, and I was also contemplating Mr. Perdue. So... Now, Schneider, Mr. Schneider is considered a layperson notwithstanding his tenure on the planning and zoning. The fact that he was a chairperson, I cannot appoint him.

Impacts getting grants down the road depending if you have qualified up, but there is no I don't think there's a prohibition from doing it I'm just saying there is there is a Right that's the rule but that there's no prohibition I

So you're saying I could technically select him, but it could technically...

I told you if you don't, there could be this financial impact potentially.

You have two more people to appoint.

Yeah, you have two more.

I'm doing a qualified one, so... Well, yeah, but we've already gotten...

The layperson is already gone because it was one layperson and three qualified. I can't make a decision that would potentially cost the taxpayers money, even though I do think he would be a fabulous addition. I... Appointed mr. Iliopoulos last time and I think he's doing an amazing job.

So I'm selecting Jake Iliopoulos All right, so that's all in favor any opposed, okay Commissioner burns Christopher Caviezes is also currently there and he's good. I

And he's qualified.

I think he's my second choice anyway. Yes, Christopher Carreza.

nominee chris chris cabezas okay uh all in favor all right any opposed okay that's fine and i'm going to uh gregory pitts all in favor any opposed they are appointed wonderful okay nomination for appointments to the site plan review and appearance board better known as sprab first of all there's three there will be three appointments commissioner malika commissioner casal and vice mayor burns um and these are not like qualified or any qual i mean i think you can point really

Two qualified. It says you need two qualified. No, wait. It says, sorry.

It says three qualified. Three qualified. So may I make my nomination?

So all three need to be qualified. Yes, please. Go ahead.

I nominate Abhi Kantham. I think it's Sirapheed, but his email said Abhi Kantham.

Okay. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Next is, I forgot my amount of order here. Commissioner Casale.

Right. And here, again, so Mr. Reddick has already served, and he would be an incumbent, but he's at large. And so the...

I don't think we lose money for that.

We don't. Mm-mm.

I like it when people have already served. They've spent years there. But I do feel like we need to follow the parameters. I'm going to put this one off for some thought, if you don't mind, and select next time. Okay.

Commissioner Casal defers until next meeting? Yeah. All right. Vice Mayor Burns.

I nominate Sandra Armani.

Sandra Amani. OK. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? OK. Welcome board, all three. All two. OK. Public hearing, second readings. Ordinance number 31-26. If the city attorney's office could please read the ordinance into the record.

In ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Delray Beach, Florida, amending the land development regulations of the City of Delray Beach Code of Ordinances, Chapter 4, zoning regulations, Article 4.3, district regulations, general provisions, Section 4.3.4, base district development standards, subsection H, setbacks to apply rear setback requirements to street side plot lines, adjoining alleys, providing a conflicts clause, a severability clause,

authority to codify providing an effective date and for other purposes thank you very much mr. notice good evening and the agent notice development services director for the record tonight we have this is the first of three city initiated amendments this one really seeks to clarify something that has been left up to interpretation, which I don't like, because then they want you to interpret it differently than the last guy. So at any rate, right now, parts of the city have alleys. They were plotted when the city was first created, usually in the teens, 20s, and 30s. By definition, an alley is a roadway that provides a secondary means of access sort of not intended for general traffic or used by pedestrians, vehicles. And a street is like a road, a thoroughfare. It's the main access point. And these are codified in the comp plan as collectors, arterials, regulars. Alleys are listed as a local street. So because our comp plan calls that type of right-of-way a local street, This is where the clarification, in my opinion, would be helpful in the LDR for people to know the rules clearly before they start planning anything. The Central Business District is the only part of the code that clearly states that all alleys are treated as rears, regardless on if you have one, if you have two. If it's got an alley behind it, we consider that the back of house. So outside of the CBD, the code is kind of quiet, is silent on it. So sometimes an alley runs up the side of a property. You could have, you know, typically they're in the rear of the narrow part. So the ways setbacks work. is there is a side street setback, which is usually larger than the rear, equal to or smaller than the front setback. And then there's the interior side in the R1 district that's only 7 and 1 half feet, which is even enough to parallel park your car if you had an alley running along that side. So the way that it has been applied recently, meaning I've worked for the city since 2017, Is that they're using the side street setback? Although we've had numerous discussions about this internally on what to use So if we were using the side street setback then The setback from the alley would be 15 feet if we use the rear it's only 10 and 10 allows room to parallel park a car you have room for your trash cans you can open your door, you know and all within the boundary of your setback. If we look at the other zoning districts, the R1AAA, again, side street would require 17 feet, where the rear would only require 12, which is actually equal to the side interior in that aspect. But they do change. So side interior in R1A is only 7 1⁄2. So at this point, we think that just so that everybody understands the rules and it's really clear before you start planning your project that actually putting, like the Central Business District has it, the clear instructions on which setback we're going to use where. So the proposal is to add under the code section that regulates setbacks a new line that just says side lot lines adjoining alleys are regulated by the rear setbacks, except where there's an R1AB. We have a lot of R1 districts where the side street setback applies, and that's because it's a little bit smaller for those lots, and except where additional setbacks are required. Sometimes it says if you have this use, you have to set in more pools don't have to set in as far. So if it's an override for the particular thing, it doesn't change that. But just to sort of clearly The Planning and Zoning Board recommended approval 6 to 0 on June 15. I don't think I explained it real well.

I don't understand.

Could I ask a question? This is a public hearing. Any members of the public wishing to address the commission on this ordinance, please come to the lectern, give your name and zip code for the record. You will each have three minutes. Seeing none, public comment is closed to the commission.

Commissioner Gasol. In consideration of the accessory dwelling units in the future, does this conflict with what we need to accomplish?

I'm pretty sure that the ADUs are one of the elements where we were very specific on how much the setback had to be. At the same time, we were running through the small nonconforming lots, which also have a little bit of adjustments. I think that the issue is at hand is that unlike the central business district, which says if you've got an alley along this side of your property, it's a back. That's where you're taking out the trash. That's where you're doing your mouthwash. That's where you're doing all your stuff. The rest of the code doesn't say how to treat an alley, particularly if it runs up the side of the property. Depending on how the plat is, if it's running this way, you could be... And then people are like, it's a side interior. And we're like, there's not enough room for that. So at some point, it started being the side street, which is sort of the secondary street should have this setback. But it's a bit onerous. So it's, say, 17 feet from the side of an alley. It's eating too much of the yards, particularly in the older areas. And so staff's recommendation is that We just use the rear setback, which gives room for the car if that's the way you're pulling into your garage and it is a little bit more room. And then there is one where it's the other way around where the rear is... Much bigger than the side. So that's why it accepts out R1AB. Right now it's silent. So everyone's like, oh, it's a side interior. But it's not a side interior because a side interior means that your neighbor's lot is right next to yours. I'm sorry. I know I'm not doing a good job with this.

No, it makes sense. It's clarifying so that people understand what they need to do and what the intentions are.

I would assist with you on this. All we do is come in and ask for a waiver. Yeah, exactly. Retailing granted, then they have to come back up. Right.

And this may or may not solve it, but I think it will solve some of it. Some of it. Great.

Thank you. Do you want me to make a motion?

I need a motion to approve ordinance 31-26.

Second.

I didn't make a motion. I said I need a motion. I said it. I did it. OK. Yes. Clerk, please call the roll. I knew you weren't ready.

Deputy Vice Mayor Markert.

Yes.

Commissioner Mulligan. Yes. Commissioner Casale. Yes. Vice Mayor Burns. Yes. Mayor Carney.

Here. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Ordinance number 32-26.

Ordinance number 32-26, an ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Delray Beach, Florida, amending the land development regulations of the City of Delray Beach Code of Ordinances, By amending Chapter 2, administrative provisions, Article 2.1, reviewing officials and authorities, Section 2.1.1, administrative officials, subsection B, director to provide the director of development services the authority to administratively approve requests to adjust setback requirements up to five feet when related to a right-of-way dedication, and by amending Section 2.1.2, review authority subsection B, Development Services Management Group, DSMG, to provide the Development Services Management Group the authority to approve deviations up to 5 percent from the development standard, due to unique site constraints, providing a conflicts clause, a severability clause, and authority to codify, providing an effective date and for other purposes.

Thank you very much, Ms. Gianottis.

Okay, so the development services management group has been codified in the land development regulations sort of with the charter as at that time being comprised of the building official, the director of planning and zoning and the city engineer they at the time assuming there was going to only be one city engineer. So since that time, This is basically a group of your directors that have some technical knowledge or expertise that have had different roles in the development review process over the years as codified by the LDR. It is an administrative group that Recommend changes to we can discuss as a staff like this is a problem. We should Talk to mr. Moore about bringing forward an LDR amendment and there are limited Technical requirements. There's an interpretation If one of us isn't clear on how the rules should apply. It's a it's gathering. These are public meetings. There are minutes It is open to the public things like that. So one of the Authorities, so there's several Authorities that DSM G has the downtown Central Business District has very specific streetscape Requirements that you know, there's supposed to be the on street space and then the trees and then the clear zone to walk all of those things occasionally You know the underground pipes are in the wrong place and the tree can't go over the water line and we have to reorganize and and this is a board that allows for that type of discussion and decision. One of the things that was added under the previous commission was that if this board has granted a waiver to something, You know, when you grant the waiver and say the waiver is for three feet, that's the threshold. There's no way to go three feet six inches or three feet two inches without coming back to this board. And there were a couple of construction projects that ended up needing a few more inches. And we had to bring it to the board. And at the time, that The board, it was not this board, but they directed us to allow for some sort of more administrative route to evaluate the technical adjustment that needed to happen and whether it was legitimate or not. And that is one of the roles DSMG has. If I have interpreted that the side setback applies or whatever, and they don't agree with it, this is part of how we knew we needed to adjust this. And they don't agree with the director's interpretation. The first stop is appealing to the board that my interpretation is wrong to see if the other directors who understand what they're looking at with plans and construction agree with me. And you don't like what DSMG says, they come to you. So it will eventually get you in the chain of process. The other aspect that was added more recently was a review of the special event applications after a CTAC recommendation. And so there are certain special events that the DSMG can approve and there are others where you see DSMG has made a recommendation to this board for final approval depending on if they're impact or not impact and how long we've had them, things like that. So, currently, I'm trying to explain this. So when a new home, let's say, is being built, any new structure, but we'll start with the house because this does happen to people trying to build a home. If they need to give a four-foot dedication because you're tearing it down completely, which means now we start over with all the rules. So that invisible line that is somewhere by your sidewalk and your swale and then it goes into your front yard. When that line has to move over to reach the ultimate right of way, because someday we may plant trees or have pipes or have to dig something up, those things. What moves with it is the front setback and where the house will then be built. Okay. So waiver after waiver was coming here, or alternatively, people seeking to ask not to give a dedication at all, which over time is not going to provide sufficient room for the utilities, because it's not just about the drive lanes that you're in your car. It's about sidewalks, about tree space, it's about pipes. We took it. at the commission's direction down to DSMG so that these requests could be handled within a month in an administrative role. So we've been doing that for two years. And every one of them has been approved. So we're asking you for space for the right-of-way. Then we're adjusting your setbacks so that your house can be as big as it ever was going to be. So now the question is, do we really need to take a month to get on the DSMG agenda? when generally that has been approved every time. So this ordinance seeks to put that authority onto the director of development services in consultation with the city engineer. If I don't think they should get it, then the appeal would go to DSMG and then from DSMG to you.

So it's just an effort to streamline

something as the process. When something is always getting waived, waived, waived, waived, we know that the code is wrong. When something is always being approved, then why are we going through, like the pet services, why are we bringing it here if every groomer is getting approved? So this is just meant to streamline. The other issue came up where there was a waiver that had been granted, and then It wasn't a waiver. It was a development standard. So the authority went for if the waiver is approved, and it just needed a little bit more because there was a tree in the way or whatever, the same type of concept came up where a waiver was brought before the board, and it was for a minuscule amount. And the commission asked us, why is this here? We thought we gave you the authority to do this. And except that we hadn't. We'd only gotten the authority to adjust a previously approved waiver. not adjust the development standard if there's a unique situation, like a really big tree right here that you need to go around, and therefore you can't come forward. So the other part of this gives the board, not the director, because we'll start with the board first, the ability to make those small adjustments for up to 5% or one foot. So that is what this ordinance does. I'm just trying to streamline the process a little bit for minor issues. And the Planning and Zoning Board heard this one as well on June 15 and recommended approval 620. OK.

Thank you very much. This is a public hearing. Any members of the public wishing to address the commission on this ordinance, please come to the lectern. Give your name and zip code for the record. You will each have three minutes. Seeing none, public comment is closed to the commission.

I move to approve this ordinance. Well, I have a quick question.

In 2.1, I understand completely because we've done those. In 2.2, if you're going to have that little change, and I'm all for streamlining the process. You don't really think that triggers a need for the Board of Adjustment or something, right? On the...

For if it's a right-of-way or if it's a minor resolution? No, the 2.12 changed.

Up to 5% or less up to one foot.

I mean, I think what we're establishing is that a threshold that small doesn't require board of adjustment. The minute it goes over, you're into notice. Just wanted to hear you say that. I mean, this is what we've been asking you to do to figure out ways to move things quicker.

I wanted to clarify that because that's exactly what I agree with you. But you're right.

That one wouldn't go to DSMG. If the setback was greater, you're right. It would go to Board of Adjustment.

That's good. That's all right. That's perfect. Do we have a motion? Do we have a second?

Motion to approve ordinance number 3226. Second.

And call the roll, please.

Commissioner Maleku? Yes. Commissioner Casale? Yes. Vice Mayor Burns? Yes. Mayor Carney?

Yes.

Deputy Vice Mayor Markert?

Yes. Motion passed. Great. Thank you very much. Adopted. Ordinance number 33-26. Ordinance number 33-26, the ordinance of the city commission of the city of Delaware Beach, Florida, amending the land development regulations of the city of Delaware Beach code ordinances.

to general procedures section 2.2.4 certifications of actions taken to allow site plans for townhouse developments with an approved class after a flat recordation, and providing for a 24-month time exemption, and to allow approvals initiated by the city and the community redevelopment agency to be valid for five years, providing a conflicts clause, a summability clause, authority to quantify, and providing a collective date.

Oops. It's still me, Anthea Gignotis, Development Services Director. Okay, so the way that the LDR currently works is site plans, conditional uses, subdivision plans. From the time they're approved, they have a 24-month approval window. There's governor extensions, but let's put those aside for a minute. The way that a project is then established is that it is considered 25% complete. That does not include tearing things down. Considers positive work to be established or you've gotten a certificate of occupancy The plots that come through are typically implementing the site plan or the subdivision plan that has been approved And a plot is is pretty is you know It's a little bit different than just the design because it is a legal subdivision of property that then makes it available for conveyance between different owners So if you have plotted a project, to change it requires going back through the site plan approval and then replatting again and putting all of those legal pieces of property back together again. So for fee simple townhomes, even if the site plan has expired, the plat is now remaining. The other part of this issue is the way public projects get built. Because unlike our private sector counterparts, when a public project is approved, like Pompei Park, goes through SPRAB and site plan approval, and it's got an approval, and it's got two years. These projects require another RFP or bidding process to build the projects. There's other steps that the private sector can simply just turn in the permit the next day, typically, and be on its way. That's not how public projects work. So rather than rely on emergency extensions to keep city and CRA projects alive while they go through what is always a public process for these types of things, this ordinance would also extend the deadline for projects like that, the water plant, things like that, to five years so that there's time to be able to go through the required process. um for the way that our neighbors handle um time extensions and expiration um they all do it a little bit differently but um they are usually there's two things is that they're that come it's a deadline to commencement and in some cases commencement is Issuing the building permit not applying for it, but getting it Palm Beach County does consider recording a plot to be a Significant step probably because they're building a lot of single-family subdivisions that you know our whole communities And then Palm Beach Gardens looks at it a couple of different ways. So this amendment moves the flat issue, at least, more in line with the way some of our neighbors handle land that has been subdivided. So the way that we would do this, learning from our state legislatures that love to make retroactive ordinances, we have brought forward a retroactive ordinance that would say that if the site plan approval was on or after October 1, 2022, and a plat is recorded, that the deadline would go from the recordation of the plat You have two years from the time you managed to get that figured out and recorded. And you can ask for a one-time two-year extension. We have extension criteria already in the code. And then the same thing for City of Delray Beach and Delray Beach CRA projects. The date will therefore extend Pompey Park's approval, which is part of rather than have to bring it back for a vote. So I understand that. And this is one of the delays related to this. Because without this ordinance, we're going back to PZ and going through the process again for this. And it's going to take even longer for this project to move forward. So when we realized that other cities have handled fee simple townhouse flats differently, it seemed like an avenue to get this

project finally moving as well so that completes my presentation the Planning and Zoning Board also heard this on June 15 and recommended approval 6-0 thank you very much members of the public this is a public hearing anybody member of the public wishing to address the Commission on this ordinance please come to the lectern give your name and zip code you will each have three minutes seeing none public comment is closed to the Commission

I have a question or a couple.

Yes, go ahead.

Go back to the beginning. What is this replacing, this 24-month period? What does it currently look like? We're approving this, but what do we currently have?

So it's two years from the approval of the site plan, not the approval of a plat, which in certain subdivision plans or in fee simple townhouse projects, they have to also do the plat. We strongly encourage everyone to do the plot at the same time. Right. But different projects are on very different timelines. So for example, some people.

Let me stop you for one sec. We encourage them to do it at the same time. But if we change this, then we're allowing them not to. And I don't understand. It's sort of contradictory.

But if my business, and this is a business, if my business is to get a project approved and then sell it to somebody else to build it, then they have to do the plat. And now TikTok, six months have gone by while I flipped my sold project and the new person, we see this all the time. This is why we don't like to approve projects with a laundry list of conditions the way they were doing it 10 years ago, because the person who then buys the project and tries to build it gets a really big surprise. And yes, we can say everyone should do their due diligence. But there's just certain projects that have more pieces to implement, including, like I said, the public projects, which we have to bid building them.

Putting the public aside, though, for this consideration, when we're looking at the private projects, do you think this will speed them up? Or does it slow them down? Because we're not looking to discourage. large vacant areas to stay vacant longer. We're not looking to say, and I know this is not a perfect example, but the Doc's Corner. The fact that there's so much time permitted, and that's the state, not the city of Delray Beach. But here we are. Our residents have to look at that every single time they go by it. So are we creating a situation that's better for ourselves? Are we going to process these along more quickly? Or will it result in potential additional delays? Because I don't like looking at vacant parcels with grass six foot tall.

So I think, listen, if you want to run, you get to run with your project. There's no doubt that everybody here, the board, staff, you know, we will get things done. I think, though, that different, like I said, different community, I'm not willing, for example, to use the Platt recordation as the approval for, you know, you know, one of the big box stores where the plot is just a rectangle. You could put anything in there. We would use the permit, correct? But when you've divided up a fee-simple townhouse development into, you know, 32 individual lots that may or may not have been sold to other people, I think we need to find the expeditious way to get the project constructed. Not to mention the neighbors are tired of looking at the grass. So some of our neighbors, for those certain projects, use the plat recordation as the measure from which you take the expiration date, not the board action, but the recording of the plat. I think the recommendation is that for a project doing fee simple townhouses, that is a logical step to do it from the recordation of the plat. The plat, when you approve it, they have to record it within, it's either two years or 18 months. And you can't condition plats. That's illegal because you're dividing a property. So if they've gone through that and the plat is this and we've divided all this land, I think the issue is, Do we want to go ahead and say the site plan that is now expiring gets a little bit more time to get the project out of the ground? Or the flip side is all of it goes back to the drawing board.

Right, because we're doing this.

Including the waivers that this project was granted. And sometimes that's good. We don't like the waivers.

Yeah, because sometimes that is good. But I concern myself with us doing this to help ourselves with Pompei Park and potentially having effects that are going to be consequential. If you don't feel like that's the case,

but i i mean to be fair in the ordinance if you look at the ordinance there are two new expiration lines c and d that are recommended you could just pass d for the public projects and not approve c so okay hang on you know they're not they're both the topic of expiration and and how long we so we could just do d and leave c alone if you were certainly I mean, we would probably have to bring it back for a third reading. I'm looking at Kelly now because now I'm just making stuff up. So I need Kelly.

I would recommend that if you were going to make that adjustment. We'll bring it back.

I mean, having done this, this makes really a lot of sense. The Northeast 6th Avenue had that problem. Yeah. That property up there. It was just the timing thing where they had to go, you know, I forgot what the issue was there, but it was just a problem.

So again, like Palm Beach County uses the plat recordation. Palm Beach Gardens uses the plat recordation. The Village of Wellington does physical improvements, but excluding demolition like the city. Right. We do 25% completion of the improvement cost. So we really want people to go quickly.

Right. And now we're giving that up and saying, take your time.

But now if you haven't gone quickly, it's going to take a really long time to revive.

But I mean, doesn't that incentivize people to not, you know, I feel like we should leave it where it is with C, and I'm totally happy putting in D. That's my feeling.

Well, I'm going to, I'm supporting staff's recommendation.

Is staff recommending this?

It's a staff-initiated change. They're the ones who have to deal with all the conflict between the site plan approvals and the plat approvals, and then sometimes they overlap, and you have to go back and start again.

So this project, which really has troubled the neighbors for a long time, will have to go back through filing an application, go through TAC, get the waivers re-approved, and come back before this board to get it moving.

And that is because of our fault or their own?

In this case, I'm pretty sure the developer missed the deadline. And I think had I realized it was coming, honestly, I would have emailed them and said, hey, hey.

Right.

But I can't track every project in the city personally.

Look, if you feel, is there a way to... just think changing our rules altogether to create a scenario where development a property could sit undeveloped longer and that seems to be the case here does not make sense for our residents I don't know if there's some way that we can work around this particular project because I understand but I don't want to change my rules for one I don't know that we should change our rules for one project.

I will say that had this rule been in place, this wouldn't be the case. It would have been done. If they caught in a glitch, then they had to go back and do the whole thing again.

So I think maybe what would maybe help your concern about letting people like, I got it proved. Is my concern legitimate?

You can say if it's not.

I'm totally comfortable with you saying that. For site plans that have an approved plat that, because if they're coming forward and they have the plat approved before the site plan has expired, then they have to record that plat in less than two years. Right. So maybe instead of saying for Fees and Batales development that have an approved plat, that they're valid for a period of 24 months from the date of recordation. So once you have taken action as a board on the plat, the clock starts ticking. And so that gives a little bit of room of, I think the reluctance on the applicants is, I'm going to go through all of this effort to do a plat. I'm going to pay all these professionals, but you didn't approve my 36-unit townhouse development. So now I just wasted all this money over here on a plat. They want to know that the investment they're making is going to bear fruit. So I think if we said that instead, that have, if this was changed to say have an approved plat, right, which I think the caption said before, then this keeps the clock ticking.

to the two years it's just you have to record it within two years so I'm sorry getting a little communication from I tell her we're sorry I know she has just asked that this be postponed so she can kind of look into it a little bit more and get back to you guys on this portion um thank you guys and so coming back with a

I would appreciate that, just if you all don't mind.

I mean, the caption that was advertised says townhouse developments with an improved plot to be valid 24 months after plot recordation. So it is consistent.

But I think just in general, she wants to look at it again. And she'd ask that you postpone it at this point.

OK, thank you. Do we have consensus to table this?

Or any other input before we go?

I apologize, Anthea. Do we need to give her a date certain, or are we? No, no, no. We'll re-advertise it. That's not a problem.

Do we need a motion to move this?

I think it would be a good idea to go.

I need a motion to table this, defer it. So moved. Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? OK.

Thank you, Anthea. Thank you.

8D.

Ordinance number 3526, an ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Delray Beach, Florida, amending chapter 35, employee policies and benefits, subheading retirement plan of the code of ordinances of the City of Delray Beach, Florida, by amending section 35.098, supplemental retirement income and minimum benefits to provide a cost of living adjustment of 2.5% to retired general employees. providing a conflicts clause a severability clause authority to codify providing an effective date and for other purposes this is second reading all right so now that i know that special person is watching that would normally handle this i hope i do a very good job here so

So, Mayor and Commissioners, as you may remember, May 19, 2026 meeting is when you unanimously approved the authorization of a 2.5% cost of living adjustment for the retirees receiving benefits under the General Employees Retirement Plan. And this is just an amendment to the ordinance here codifying that.

public hearing so to the Commission we have discussed this before okay this is just codifying what we said it's okay we got a motion to approve motion to approve ordinance number 35-26 we have a second second all in favor aye any opposed okay thank you we have no voice from somewhere okay well Pam we did it for you Pam Anyway, there are no first readings. Comments and inquiries are non-agenda items.

I yield at this time. Thank you.

Okay, to the city attorney.

Nothing for me.

Okay, to the city commission. Who would like to go first? Commissioner Malika.

Oh, I don't have any comments at this time.

Commissioner Markert yeah just one quick thing and we did talk about it earlier I just wanted to commend Parks and Rec on the drone show for those of you that went it was an amazing event with a thousand drones and Swinton Avenue was closed and there were thousands of people that were there and not a person had a bad time so I know we had a little bit of a hiccup with the 4th of July festivities, but, boy, we did the drone show really well this time. And tip of the hat to the Parks and Rec team for getting that done. It was a really cool event for those of you that went. So I just wanted to say thank you for the great event. That's it, Mayor.

Okay. Vice Mayor Burns.

Sure, I have a couple of things. I wanted to congratulate Gina again on the creative art school update that she provided where she gave her participation numbers and that she's exceeded the her annual revenue so congratulations on that again um also and i don't have the name of a city manager there was an award that the city manager received recently and i wanted to congratulate you on that um you can give me the name of it it was actually an award to the city of dairy beach okay not to the city manager so the south florida chapter i'm sorry because of your efforts go ahead well you're too kind

so the south florida chapter of the national forum for black public administrators awarded three city of excellence awards one in miami-dade county one in broward county and one in palm beach county and the palm beach county recipient would have been the city of is the city of dairy beach florida and that was offered via their engagement exercise Friday, July 24, 2026. So very recent in that regard. I was given the opportunity, all for words of welcome, as the event took place in the unincorporated area of Derry Beach, Florida, nevertheless, close to our community. That is the initiative for which you are referring and kudos as a result. So thank you.

Thank you. City of Excellence Awards. I like it. Also, our Chief Hunter got some sort of accommodation for the South Florida. I know they have all these acronyms here. I have no idea what it is. He went to a conference, and then he was also receiving some accolades on behalf of our city, so congratulations to him. We already talked about the drone show. It was excellent. This is the first year that I went, and I'm glad I made it. It was really nice. I wanted to commend the Parks and Rec on their Unity Fest that happened. It ended early because it rained. However, they allowed, well, I was a vendor. Burning Conversations was a vendor. And I had supporters, community supporters, churches who supported me. And together we were able to distribute 350 backpacks filled with supplies. Thanks to Park and Red for all your support and help. Thanks to the Arts Garage for doing some of the printing and for our banner. And then we also have given out 50 backpacks with supplies to a number of our Title I schools in the city. So thank you for that. I also wanted to ask, on behalf of the Omega Sapphire Fraternity, to get consensus to issue a certificate of recognition. These gentlemen are having a 52nd event happening in September. They have an adopted street in Delray. They do a lot of city cleanups. They do a lot of work for senior citizens. they would like to be they would like to have a recognition from the city for their upcoming event next month and if I could get a consensus to to recognize them for what they do in our city and then the last thing is the the presentation that we saw from Junior Achievement I wanted to find out what's the next step I would like to recommend that we supply or provide the $50,000 for the two schools for three years that they requested. As I stated before, they have a memorandum with the school district. They've already been vetted. And their program focuses on things that I've heard from this commission that we're interested in and that I heard from some of our Nonprofits today, workforce readiness, financial literacy, entrepreneurship, and life skills, and they provide this in their program. And so I would like to, and the Karen Foundation funds, I talked with our senior attorney, and because of some recent adjustments with the Karen Foundation rules, this would qualify for them receiving that. I don't know if we need consensus. How do we move forward with working with them to provide that funding?

If there are interests on part of the city commission to proceed in that regard, I would ask that staff us be given an opportunity to come back with the structure, what that will look like, and that can be facilitated sometime in September. So while today you are not in position to formally vote to allocate the resources in that regard, I would like to have staff to complete the necessary due diligence processes with respect to procurement and other related... considerations so that we can properly execute direction deemed appropriate.

Oh, yeah.

And using the Karen money, that would be outstanding.

Go ahead.

You've got direction.

Thank you. That's all. OK. Commissioner Gonzalez.

Good.

OK, thank you. First, thank you to our assistant city attorney for joining us this evening. Great to see you. Mr. Moore, congratulations on the award that we received. The chief did receive the award. It was the area representative for the Florida chapter of the FBI Academy Associates. Congratulations to our amazing chief. Also, congratulations, Ocean Rescue Alicia Warren got a Life Savings Recognition Award, and that was super exciting. The drone show was outstanding. We got so much. uh positive feedback on that and i thank you to our staff and especially miss pearson who worked on her birthday um appreciate that gina thank you for the creative arts school and also the what you're doing on instagram i don't really follow instagram too much so um i don't i'm going to start United Against Hate Week is October 18th to the 24th, and it's about promoting community action and combating hate and building inclusion. I don't know if we've ever recognized this before. I don't know. if we're permitted to under the governor's new standards. But Mr. Moore, could you just look into this and let us know by next meeting? Because maybe we want to do a little something with our local churches or community groups to talk about how we can be united against hate. Because who's not united against hate? I want to thank our auditor. She provided us a report, the Florida tax reform report. If you could put that on your website page, that would be fabulous. I found it informative, and I want to appreciate you for doing that. And Mr. Moore, I'm sure you participated. in some fashion. Also, this prior neighborhood and community services just produced this report for us, weekly connection program, noting things about code accreditation, CRA funding requests from neighborhood and community services, litter prevention, beach cleanliness, and highlighting projects that are under code consideration. I thank you for that. The more information for us, always the better. So thank you. And somehow, if we can get that information onto our website for the public. I don't know if we have a neighborhood and community page i imagine we do so maybe we can put that up there that would be great um and lastly there's a lot of talk about you know are we giving the taxpayers enough information and i i feel like we can never give them enough and hopefully they appreciate it I was talking with our clerk about this idea. I know, Ms. Mollica, you brought it up. And Mayor, you put out an information letter saying you support. Could we do a tutorial at the next meeting? Just a small slide show would take a few moments to show people. Until we figure out where we're going with the education, just a presentation during our meeting to show people today how to get to our meetings. and how to get the information they want from our meetings. The clerk says she could put something together quickly if that's OK with everybody else.

So they have to watch the meeting to learn how to watch the meetings?

Well, we would present it during our meeting, because we've discussed it twice during our meeting, and the mayor put out an email. And then we would put it on the city website. I mean, in the meantime, it seems like a good solution.

We'll do it. We'll make this a brief presentation at the very beginning of the meeting. So Madam City Clerk, you and I will touch base tomorrow to facilitate that arrangement. And we'll update the agenda to reflect that for August 18.

Great. And I think that's all I have. Thank you.

OK. A couple of things. First, I do think that someone's prior service on a board ought to be considered qualifying experience. mean we had some people here that were technically not because they weren't an engineer or they weren't of this they weren't I were somehow considered a layperson but if they'd served as on one of these boards for four years or chairman of some of these we have a situation where guy was a chairman of one of the boards you're not being qualified I think that I want to figure out how we can Include prior experience on the board within the definition of what is qualified, right? because I do think that we have a lot of qualified people that I mean I went through this list here and there was a Half a dozen these people that I think would be great on the boards and but they didn't have the word, you know Qualified up that behind their name and I think that was a great shame I think that does the city at the service. So I want to see what we can do about that. I I, just for the record, I sent out a, I went online to look at all the evaluation forms and I went to the International City Managers Association. I sent you all examples of evaluation forms from other, that they do, the International City Managers Association. I also included Boynton's. I got some others, but they were, and I'd just like you to take a look at them. I know we're going to be doing ours here, but I think that they add, My whole issue has always been with these evaluations that they're asking me to judge performance of someone and how they operate with someone else. I like to be able to judge someone based on their performance with me and their interaction with me. So I'm asking you to take a look at it and tell me what you think because I think we have room to still make some modifications and that's what I'm asking to do.

When do you want to have that discussion? I mean, we're going to do Mr. Moore's evaluation next time, so we work with the current form, and then afterwards we start talking?

I don't know. I mean, I'd look at it first and see whether or not we can add it or enhance it. I mean, I've got them all. I had them all done in Word, too, in case anybody's interested. I printed them. Huh? No, but I actually had them reprinted in Word. I can send them to you as a Word file. Ah, OK. Which I will do. I'll do that tomorrow. And I really have nothing else except to say that the line of the day We're seeing the QR code in the sky. Thank you very much for that, Mr. School. If there's nothing else, we're adjourned.

Thank you.