County Council - Regular Meeting

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Call to order the meeting of Delaware County Council July 28th. Thank you. Please stand if you're able. We'll have a moment of silence in remembrance of Mel Botkin, former member of this council who passed away July 3rd at the age of 92. Thank you. Ben, would you lead us in the pledge?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Roll call, please, Ed.

Mr. Rogow. Present. Mr. Flanagan.

Here.

Mr. Mogul.

Yes.

Piper. Here. Wyatt.

Present.

Stantz.

Yes.

Stews.

Here.

Freeman. Here.

Marissa, has our agenda been posted? I'd like to... Make one change to move the resolution number 202607, Midwest Metal Products, Personal Property Tax Abatement, as the first order of business. Other than that, is there a motion to approve the agenda? So moved. Second. Motion by Jessica, second by Dan. Roll call.

Mr. Flanagan. Yes. Wyatt.

Yes. Vogel. Yes.

Bogut. Yes. Piper. Yes. Gantz. Yes. Hughes.

Yes. Tina?

Good morning, Council. Gina Carvalho with the Economic Development Alliance and primary administrator for the Delaware County Redevelopment Commission. I'm here today to provide some context on Resolution 2026-07. The county received a personal property tax abatement application from Midwest Mental Products. They are seeking a standard five-year abatement on a new piece of equipment at their facility. President Hughes reached out to me and asked that I help coordinate with the Tax Abatement Committee so that they could review this application. The committee met about a month ago and ultimately gave a favorable recommendation for this application. More specifically, Midwest Metal is seeking an abatement on a metal laser cutter worth approximately $1.4 million. In this packet, they have all of the information necessary, including statement of benefits, one form, as well as some other documentation that I think is pertinent for the council to be aware of. I also sent the council a standard five-year abatement schedule utilizing the Hoosier Energy Calculator. This calculator is an estimation. It's not meant to replace the detailed analysis that our municipal advisor, Baker Tilly, would typically do, but it is a resource nonetheless that we leaned on. So I have Chad Smith here with me today who can answer any specific questions that you may have about the application.

Okay. Brad, do you want to say anything on behalf of the committee?

Thank you, Mr. President. The committee met, heard from Midwest Metal. Gina did a good job putting everything together. Everything was in order. We received a favorable recommendation. Those present were myself and Mr. Josh Perkins at the Tax Availability Committee meeting. Midwest Metal has a long-standing tradition in Delaware County. of updating and replacing their equipment so that they can stay competitive with others in their field, thus anchoring their investment in Delaware County. So we're very happy about that. We have three locations total in Delaware County. I'll let Mr. Smith share more about that.

Thank you, Brad. Good morning. Chet Smith. I'm CEO at Midwest Metal Products. As Brad mentioned, it is just replacing some equipment. About 10 years ago when I first started at Midwest, I was here to discuss an abatement that you approved, so thank you. That equipment has just kind of become obsolete. So we're in the process of, we removed that a few weeks ago and in the process of installing this new equipment. This new laser is state of the art, one of the best ones on the market. It will help us compete and I guess keep providing products for our customers and hopefully grow with them. After a bit of a down through the last few years, we are starting to pick back up and hiring people again. So this equipment couldn't come at a better time for us.

I'd like to note for the council's attention also that Indiana law does allow for a 10-year, 100% tax abatement for personal property. This is not that. This is a negotiated five-year abatement phased in, so starting at 100% the first year and phasing down from there. That ultimately makes the abatement somewhat revenue positive for the county, because during the life of the abatement, the county still does receive some revenue, while the company also receives some abatement. So as many places that don't have personal property tax, Indiana does have a personal property tax, so this is one tool to incentivize to keep companies like Midwest Metal competitive with foreign counterparts and others who they're competing with every day.

But with the changes in the personal property tax floor going away, does that mean eventually the personal property tax on this equipment goes away, correct? The 30% floor for the investment and that's personal property tax on this piece? I'm not familiar with that, sorry.

Yeah, Eugene just brought up a good point. The fact that this is in a TIF district, so I think this remains. This tax remains on the personal property.

The Hoosier Energy Calculator does take into account the impact of SEA-1.

Okay. And note, being that this is in a TIF district, the County Redevelopment Commission captures the revenue, not the County General Fund.

Other questions?

Regina, where was that? Where's the results of that calculator?

It's on the third page of the Hoover Energy Calculator.

Mr. President, if I may? Yes.

I would support this. I think Midwest has done great things in their century-long plus standing here in Delaware County and Muncie. I'm also to inform the council that because my spouse works for Midwest Metals, I'm going to abstain from this vote.

Okay. I need a motion to approve resolution number 2026-007. So moved. Second. Motion by Dan, second by Jessica. Other questions or comments? Seeing none, roll call, please.

Mr. Flangen.

Yes.

Mr. Wyatt. Abstain. Mr. Mogul. Yes. Mr. Buckell. Yes. Ms. Piper.

Yes.

Mr. Gantz. Yes. Mr. Hughes.

Yes. Thank you very much. All right.

Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Buckell, renew it, please. OK. Returning to the agenda, the approval of the June 23 council meeting minutes. If those were not distributed, is that

I make a motion to table the June 23rd council meeting minutes. Second.

Motion by Eugene, second by Brad to table June 23rd minutes. Roll call, please.

I wanted to make the reason we're late on those because we've had issues with being uploaded files into our API application that we use. And we've had that for about 10 days, so we've got bills actually. do anything with that application. We're also having issues with access to the portal. There's issues throughout the county with various employees. We're not sure what the issue is, but we can't access the employee portal either. So that's the reason they're taking leave. So unless we get access to that and they'll do our jobs, we'll have to wait for you. Very good.

Until then, we may need a typewriter. We do have pencil and paper. We have motion to table. Roll call, please.

Mr. Flangen? Yes. Mr. Wyhead? Yes. Mr. Mogul? Yes. Mr. Bucow? Yes. Ms. Piper? Yes. Mr. Kantz? Yes. Mr. Hughes? Yes.

Moving on to the transfer and appropriation agenda.

Should we start with the vision and dental transfers first? That's all right. OK. In the County General, Health Insurance, 173 for all accounts, negative 154,528.76. Vision Insurance, 168 for all accounts, positive 23,644.64. Dental Insurance, 169 for all accounts, positive 130,884.12, total transfer zero.

Move to approve.

Second. Motion by Jack, second by Dan. By way of explanation, how many different accounts are there, roughly?

24 accounts here.

In each of the affected departments or offices, we are transferring from health insurance to vision and dental, which were not covered at budget time. Is that correct? They're all identical. based on the number of employees. I discussed with Ben omitting the reading of all of the numbers since they're half a dozen pages. And considering these as one vote, which we've had the motion already, are there any questions about the general process or about any of the specific departments that are covered by these transfers? Everybody understanding where we are? Elizabeth, now this should take care of it for the balance of the year?

Yes, it should.

Hearing nothing further, roll call, please.

Mr. Flanagan? Yes. Mr. Wyatt? Yes. Mr. Mogul? Yes. Mr. Bookout? Yes. Ms. Piper?

Yes.

Mr. Kantz? Yes. Mr. Hughes? Yes.

Thank you. That was a lot of work to pull that together. I appreciate it. Proceed with the other transfers.

All right, outside of County General, we've got Health Insurance 173 for all funds, negative 30,834.08. Vision Insurance 168 for all funds, positive 5,190.12.

dental insurance 169 for all funds positive 25 643 and 96 cents total transfer zero second motion by jessica said by dan again this is the same process moving health insurance appropriations to cover dental and vision on accounts outside of county general questions Roll call, please. Mr. Flangen. Yes.

Mr. Whitehead. Yes. Mr. Moekel. Yes. Mr. Bookout. Yes. Ms. Piper.

Yes.

Mr. Gantz. Yes. Mr. Hughes. Yes.

All right. Regular transfers, County General, 152 EMA, 101, 101, Director 01, 4,800, 102, 101, Deputy Director 02, negative 4,800 for total transfer zero.

Second. Motion by Jessica, second by Dan. Morning.

Morning. Corey Kissick, Emergency Management Director.

It does what we're doing here.

Yeah, so I'm requesting to transfer $4,800 from 102, that's the deputy director line, to the director line 101. Past director's payout was $4,694. And this is just to pay my salary for the rest of the year. But it also leaves enough in the deputy director line. So when I do hire one, there will be enough to pay for the remainder of the year.

Any questions? Roll call, please.

Mr. Flangen. Yes. Mr. Whitehead. Yes. Mr. Mogul. Yes. Mr. Bookout. Yes. Ms. Piper.

Yes.

Mr. Kantz. Yes. Mr. Hughes. Yes. Thank you. Thank you.

157, council. 168, vision. 200. 169, dental. 800. 173, health insurance. 3,000. 310, professional services. Negative 4,000. Total transfer, zero.

Move to approve. Second. Motion by Dan, second by Eugene. This is a request from the council to transfer from professional services to cover health insurance for a council member that was not budgeted last fall. Any questions? Roll call, please. Mr. Flanagan?

Yes. Mr. Wyhead? Yes. Mr. Moekel? Yes. Mr. Bookout? Yes. Ms. Piper?

Abstain.

Mr. Cance? Yes. Mr. Hughes? Yes.

137, prosecutor. 138, transcription fees, negative 5,000. 310, professional services, 5,000. Total transfer, zero.

Second. Motion by Jessica, second by Dan.

please good morning good morning lisa carr prosecutor's office um we need to transfer five thousand dollars from our transcription fees to our professional services which is also transcripts that would be for out of um for a private transcript company We had a rather large transcription bill come in for $10,000 and we went over our budget on that so we needed to transfer for that.

Where will this put you for the rest of the year?

We don't know yet. This will cover me and give me a little cushion for now.

Is it a requirement that it gets paid out of professional services even though it's just third-party transcription?

We used to call that line transcripts. And then a couple of years ago, when the auditor's office changed the lines, they called it professional services. And we only use that line for transcripts.

Oh, OK. So has it just changed?

It just falls into the category of professional services.

But will there still be a transcription fee line too? No. No?

OK. Other questions? Roll call, please.

Mr. Flanagan? Yes. Mr. Wyhead? Yes. Mr. Mogul? Yes. Mr. Bucow? Yes. Ms. Piper? Yes. Mr. Cance?

Yes.

Mr. Hughes? Yes. Thank you. Thank you.

148, DMMPC. 168 vision, 426. 169 dental, 2,125. 170 short-term disability, 124. 172 PERF, 690. 173 health insurance, negative 3,514. 174, life insurance. 85, 175, long-term disability. 64, total transfer zero.

Move to approve.

Second. Motion by Jessica, second by Dan. Good morning.

Good morning. Kylene Spackhamer, Planning Commission. So just in looking at our vision and dental, we also saw these other items that we thought we needed to recalculate a little bit. All of this would be coming from the overage in our health insurance line. Based on what we've paid out so far in our calculations, these are what would be needed in these line items to cover the rest of the year.

Were these not included in this bulk transfer because of all the other stuff? Yes. Okay.

Yeah, so the vision in the dental was kind of in with the bulk, but the same. But we also noticed these other accounts.

Other questions?

Whitney or Elizabeth, were you able to double check the perf?

We are still looking into it, but we did start looking into it. There's just some calculations we're going to have to make sure to make sure it's accurate.

Okay. In finance, the question was raised why PERF would be off since it should be calculated as a standard number from the budget. And so I guess we're waiting on an answer there. Beyond that, I think all departments are going to have to look at their short-term disability, long-term disability, life insurance to see if we're going to have to move money as we did with vision and dental just a moment ago just to make sure they've got enough to get to the end of the year.

Any other questions?

Perf isn't correct, should we? Is it going to be? You think it's close, I assume?

Yes.

Okay.

Roll call.

Mr. Flanagan?

Yes. Mr. Wyatt? No. Mr. Moekel? Yes. Mr. Bucow? Yes. Ms. Piper? Yes. Mr. Kantz?

No.

Mr. Hughes?

Yes.

So just on that topic real quick.

Thank you.

Because the majority of departments don't even have the disability line dollar amounts, right? That I'm seeing. I don't know. I'm sorry.

Most of them should. There should only be a handful that don't. They've chose to take theirs out of a different fund for that fund.

Okay. I got it. Yeah. Okay. That was last year.

Okay.

Thank you.

Okay. Moving on.

Outside of County General, $1195, high-tech crime unit. $211, office supplies, $1,900. $362, repairs and maintenance software, negative $1,000. 392 Education Certification Schooling, negative 900, total transfer zero.

Do I check for it?

Second. Motion by Jessica, second by Dan.

Hi. Lisa Carr, Prosecutor's Office. I'm here for Chuck Zimmers today. He's at a training this week. He needs to transfer some money. He's going to make some larger bulk supply purchases. He said that he needs some backup and then he's going to just stock up on some supplies that he knows that he will need going forward.

Questions?

Roll call.

Mr. Langen? Yes. Mr. Wyhead? Yes. Mr. Mockel? Yes. Mr. Buckout? Yes. Ms. Piper? Yes. Mr. Gantz?

Yes.

Mr. Hughes? Yes.

Thank you.

Thank you, Lisa.

1176, MVH, 10,168 vision, 180 and 76 cents, 10,169 dental, 1,039 and 86 cents, 10,170 short-term disability, 1,635 and 66 cents, 10,172 PERF, negative 4,526.18, 10,174 life insurance, 827.62, 10,175 long-term disability, 842.28, $30,168 vision, $102.40, $30,169 dental, $332.88, $30,173 health insurance, negative $435.28, total transfer zero. Second. Motion by Jessica, second by Dan. Good morning.

Good morning, Cary County Highway. So this is the same thing that Kyleen was up here for. It's just numbers that were submitted from the auditor's office at budget time. There wasn't enough in these pay lines.

Questions?

I have a comment, Mr. President. In the PERF line here, it makes sense to me that there could possibly be an overage and they could take money out. So I have no questions or concerns about this one.

I would say just at a glance that a majority of the departments from a disability perspective are only running at about 25% spend for the year. So, I mean, it seems like most of the other lines look normal, except for a couple.

I was just making sure the department heads would take a look at specifically those lines by making that comment. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah.

Pointing out, hopefully, we don't see it. You know, we don't have to deal with a lot more.

I guess my question is, with this understanding going into next year's budget, we'll know what to do. So we won't have this problem again?

I was under the impression that this department had a different reason for these ones, because they also have a $20,000 in here, and some of theirs should have come out of their $20,000 instead of these. And that's why these are negative.

$20,000, was that it?

They have a $10,000, a $20,000, and a $30,000 in their funds, and they've got different employees in each one of those. But those numbers came from the auditor's office. I know that. I'm saying that I was under the impression that it wasn't getting pulled out of the $20,000 like it was supposed to, and that's why these are negative, not... not that the original numbers were wrong, it's just that they weren't getting pulled from the right places.

Right, so in the 20,000 line for short-term disability, there's a budget of $6419, but no dollars have been coming out of it. Is that what you're saying?

Yes, yes, that's what I'm saying.

Yeah, I mean, those, the 20,000 lines look better. So there is money there. And what's the difference between the 10 and the 20?

So the $10,000 is administration. The $20,000 is anything that's out in the field. And the $30,000 is garage-wise. It's broken down like that because that's how I have to submit it for our annual report.

OK. Yeah, it's hard to track.

So we're in agreement, though, that this transfer will solve the problem for now?

Yes. I'm also going to work with Marissa this week to make sure that when she is pulling the amount, she's pulling them for the employees in the 10s, 20s, and 30,000s. I think we're going to be able to, we're going to be fine in the long run.

Thank you. Appreciate the extra effort. Other questions? Roll call.

Mr. Flanagan. Yes. Mr. Wyhead. Yes. Mr. Mogul. Yes. Mr. Bookout. Yes. Ms. Piper. Yes. Mr. Kantz. Yes. Mr. Hughes.

Yes. Thank you. moving on to appropriations outside of county general 1210 communications gifts and donations 361 repairs and maintenance equipment machine 1070 and 60 cents for a total of 1070 and 60 cents

Motion by Jessica, second by Dan. Good morning, Fred.

Good morning. So we had a donation line set up for Dispatcher Week a couple years ago, thinking that we could take money directly out of the donation line to pay what we buy for the dispatchers, backpacks, mugs, whatever it is. It's not set up that way, so when the bills came for what we purchased, I think it was backpacks, some mugs, and some other stuff, We paid for it out of a different line because we had to pay the bill, not knowing it wasn't set up correctly. So this is to take it from the donation line and put it back in where it's supposed to be. It's literally replenishing what we spent.

Very good questions. Roll call, please.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Major transfer for 1210 communication gift donations to 124 communications. 1210.361 repairs and maintenance equipment machine, negative $1,070.60. 124.361 repairs and maintenance equipment machine, $1,070.60 total transfer zero.

Second. Motion by Jessica, second by Dan. So this is the other half of their process, get those paid. Any questions? Roll call.

Mr. Flanagan. Yes. Mr. Wyhead. Yes. Mr. Mochel. Yes. Mr. Brookout. Yes. Ms. Piper.

Yes.

Mr. Kantz. Yes. Mr. Hughes.

Yes.

1131, county sales disclosure. 311, contractual services. 10,407 for a total of 10,407. Second. Motion by Jessica, second by Dan.

Good morning. Sherry Chafin, Chief Deputy Assessor. I didn't know if you had any questions for me. This is basically I borrowed out of our contractual services so I could pay some Form 11 postage. Just a heads up, I want you guys to know what we spent this year total. This was to mail out our Form 11s. This is programming. This is everything. We ran about at $52,151. For postage? This is for postage. This is for our Form 11 printing. This is for programming and formatting and envelopes. And we know postage is going up for next year. We only send out notice of assessments to parcels who change in value. So there's a whole lot of parcels we don't send out to. Think about like your exempt parcels. So we're only sending them out to values that change. what we don't know next year what we're gonna do we're gonna if we're gonna see another year like this where we're sending out where the revenue come from from 1131 I'm sorry where does the revenue for 1131 that is off the sales disclosure fund from sales disclosures that come in and transfer we charge a fee or something we order the sales disclosure there is a fee on there it's collected in the auditor's office and we get some of that off those sales disclosure ten dollars Ten dollars. For a deed? For a deed, I think, yes. Anytime you record a deed, first place it goes is to the auditor. Well, we'll see the sales disclosure first, and we'll approve it, and then it goes down to the auditor where they collect the money.

Then the deed's recorded. Questions? Questions? Roll call.

Ms. Flanagan? Yes. Mr. Wyad? Yes. Mr. Mogul? Yes. Ms. Bookout? Yes. Ms. Piper? Yes. Mr. Pance? Yes. Ms. Hughes?

Yes. Thank you.

Motion to approve financial transfers into a men's salary ordinance with life reductions.

Second. Motion by Jessica, second by Dan. Roll call.

Mr. Plankin? Yes. Mr. Wyhead? Yes. Mr. Mokil? Yes. Mr. Bookout?

Yes.

Ms. Piper?

Yes.

Mr. Gantz? Yes. Mr. Hughes?

Yes. We have a backfilling report with only one employee, which is quite remarkable. Very good. I'd entertain a motion to receive the backfilling report. So moved. Second. Motion by Dan, second by Eugene. Roll call.

Mr. Plankin? Yes. Mr. Twyett? Yes. Mr. Mochel? Yes. Mr. Bucow? Yes. Ms. Piper?

Yes.

Mr. Cance? Yes. Mr. Hughes?

Yes. Okay, we have already handled the resolution number 202607. Moving on to appointments and committee reports. Job description and classification committee.

okay so look there's four job descriptions in front of you the emergency management ones the office manager finance officer and the executive director changes red lines are have been provided everyone I think from a job compensation committee this is the changes that were recommended prior to approval And these are just updates to the executive director and the office manager finance officer positions. Now that Corey's taken over and some updates to Heidi's will correct Corey. Anything you want to highlight?

Yeah, Corey Kissick, Director of EMA. Right now the changes are to the Executive Director and the Office Manager. I've elected to keep hold of the Deputy Director for now until I've decided to fill that role. I've got some changes I'm going to have to make to that one too and bring it back to you guys. Yeah, it's just Executive Director and Office Manager.

And then relative to the auditor roles, I'm going to let Ed go into this. So there have been talk about a couple of the roles that have left his office and what the replacements would look like. These are two brand-new job descriptions from what they were before. One was the grant administrator role, and I forget the other role, Ed.

Finance administrator.

Finance administrator. So do you want to go into that?

Sure. We'll talk about the finance administrator first. That's essentially we're questioning to be changed to the accounting administrator. Essentially, the reason we're doing this is because finance really just deals with the financing of money and budgeting, where accounting is going to cover all of the other areas of which we do payroll. accounts payable, accounts receivable. So it really covers all the accounting departments. So it's just in that area of the particular accounting department, which would be finance. For the most part, the job description doesn't change a whole lot. It's just more appropriate to call it an accounting administrator.

I just made a comment about the job requirement line initially. It's not, to me, that's not a big deal. It just, you know, Ed has talked about this being a 40-hour position and trying to obviously find, you know, skilled resources to fill it so I thought maybe a more specific you know what do we want a person to have an accounting or finance experience of any sort so and if you decide you want to you know update that then feel free but other than that I think that was straightforward and then the project and compliance leader okay

I would like to update that and make a requirement for at least an associate's and or a bachelor's degree in some type of accounting.

Okay. I'll make that change and send it.

All right.

And then the project leader?

Yes. So this one here, you know, we have a vacancy concerning the grant compliance person that we had in place. We decided to make a change per direct change in reference to this position here, so this is a project slash. Compliance leaders and what that consists of is basically doing everything the grant administrator was doing before, which is making sure that we were compliant with grants. But really throughout the county so it's not just the grants it's not just financial it's really making sure that we're compliant and we have internal controls established and. throughout the entire county. That's one portion of it. The other is the projects. The reason we decided on projects is more like a project manager. When we launch, for example, do the purchasing process, we define that as a project. and getting a lot of feedback from various departments. There's a lot of things that we need to make sure that we have prepared before we deploy something like that, such as training materials, scheduled training, and present it before we implement it, and then training after the fact. We don't have anyone dedicated to do that. It'd be like trying to assign someone from our office to do payroll that's not dedicated to do payroll. So with the time block coming up, which is going to affect every single employee in accounting in every department, we felt it was extremely important to have someone in place that's going to be dedicated to make sure that process goes smoothly so their employees' payroll gets not interrupted. There's nothing worse than showing up to get your paycheck. It's not there or it's incorrect. So knowing that, we decided to develop an outline at the job description to make sure we have a person dedicated to those particular duties and responsibilities to make sure those projects run smoothly.

By moving these to 40-hour positions, will there be maybe some reduction in overtime or comp time or part-time help that you're requiring?

Well, as of April, we can't do comp time. So that's been next. Part of the reason we had to go to 40 is because after 32 and a half hours, we can't compensate them. We can't get overtime until they get 40. So between 32 and a half and 40... We can't compensate, so we can't ask them to work over and perform any duties. Therefore, if we were in the middle of doing a project, for example, as payroll, and they reach 32 and a half hours, we'd have to stop. And then if somebody had paid, I think we'd probably get some phone calls. So I looked at going to a 40-hour work week, and we're looking at that across all of our projects. positions in our office. I know it's been a lot of talk for the last year, year and a half, but these two positions are pretty critical because they're going to be encompassing a lot of additional requirements and working with all the departments.

They're both listed as exempt, so they'll be non-OT eligible. They'll be salaried employees only.

And with these two positions, then would you consider your office fully staffed once you fill these positions?

Yes, once you get these two filled, yes.

I had conversations with Ed multiple times around the project management piece because it is an element we do not have in the county relative to some of the initiatives that the auditor's office is trying to implement, IT initiatives that we're going to be rolling out, Office 365 here before too long. There's a lot of project leadership, project management components that we just don't have somebody that can tackle on a regular basis. It's got unique needs with the compliance component, too. So I do think that this is a little bit of muddy of, you know, kind of project management plus having to manage the compliance component. I think it's going to be a tough role to fill. But I feel that we need something that kind of can tackle those issues. Those projects that are coming down the pike, and I was going to talk further about some of the other one touch. We've got the time card project coming up, things of that nature. So having somebody responsible for the coordination of some of that, I think would be, you know, a big win from here on out for the next several years.

You know, it looks like so we tried to talk a lot of these things ourselves. We really don't have the skill set or the personnel to make sure that those things are properly deployed and it's not really fair to the departments or even the girls in our office because of things that are not being, the timelines aren't being met and all the information that's needed for training. We really need this type of person to be responsible for those duties.

Now today all we're doing is approving the job description. We haven't funded or done anything with the line items. So this is just approving the outline of what this role would be. Correct.

entertain a motion to approve the four job descriptions as presented by the committee and then we'll continue our discussion i'll make that motion second motion by eugene second by jessica just specifically talking about the job descriptions because it's not in my wheelhouse reference in this project a compliance leader is one touch initiative specifically Should that be included as a more generic project versus a very specific? Because once that is implemented, the job description will need to be changed.

Well, one touch is a broad condition. It basically says that any changes... We're essentially trying to eliminate double entry and streamline processes. So every department has these things. So it really encompasses all of the possible changes throughout any of the departments.

Theoretically, you could change it to Delaware County. The position plays a significant role in Delaware's county modernization initiatives by helping, you know.

I don't know if one touches a very specific where you need to be educated on it in order to be hired for this position. No, I think it's just how he's describing the overall. I'll let the committee use the verbiage they want to use, but I support changing these for job descriptions.

Yeah. One touch is just the branding he's using, right? Exactly. For any of the modernization efforts to try to reduce duplicate entry, data entry, errors, et cetera.

Other questions? Roll call, please.

Mr. Flangen? Yes. Mr. Wyhead? Yes. Mr. Mogul? Yes. Mr. Buchow? Yes. Mr. Piper?

Yes.

Mr. Cance?

Yes.

Mr. Tews?

Yes. Thank you, Ed, and thank you, Roy, for your work on those and the committee.

Thank you, counsel.

Next time I placed on here was finance committee. We are operating with two finance committee members. There can be a third finance committee member if anyone is desirous of joining the group. It's Jim and Eugene at the moment. They're doing a fine job. I'm not doubting their abilities. If anyone wishes to join, Let me know, otherwise we'll continue to operate as we have been. Next item, Municipal Unit Strategic Task Force, the must appointment. Municipal Unit Strategic Task Force is a creature of the legislature designed to implement the changes in the local income tax law, which won't become effective They postponed it for a couple of years now, but there is a mandate to organize this committee. County Council has the primary responsibility for implementing local income tax changes, but they are also required to meet with representatives from cities and towns and can have input from other units of government as well. So it's a significant undertaking because we have to report to the state yet this year that there has been meetings and discussions and what the nature of those discussions were, although no final decisions need to be made at this point. It's my recommendation that Matt Kantz be our appointment to the Municipal Unit Strategic Task Force to undertake this first leg of the process. He has attended several of the Association of Indiana County presentations on this subject. As much as anyone can be, I think it's well-versed in a position to represent us on that committee. I would anticipate, however, that all council members would be involved in this process because ultimately it's going to be the council that makes decisions that affect all units of government in connection with local income tax. So I would entertain a motion to appoint Pat Kants as our representative to the Municipal Unit Strategic Task Force. So moved. Second. Motion by Jessica, second by Dan. Anybody else wish to throw their hat in the ring? I did mention it last month, and I didn't get any volunteers, so we volunteered Matt. I did a roll call on appointment of Matt to the host committee.

Mr. Flanagan? Yes. Mr. Wyatt? Yes. Mr. Mogul? Yes. Mr. Bogout? Yes. Ms. Piper? Yes. Mr. Kantz? Abstain. Mr. Hughes? Yes.

Thank you, Bill. If you don't mind, just real quick, just to get a few things on that for anyone in the other taxing units that may be listening. So the first order of business really is to get communication out to those taxing units and start to set dates for these must meetings, which will be public meetings that, as Bill said, I'm happy to try to coordinate all this, be looking to everybody's contribution for participation in these meetings. So Commissioner Brand and Jenna have started to compile the list of all the taxing units and who the financial officers are in each one of those. Those will be the resources that will be participating directly in the must committee meetings. But as Bill said, I mean, this is a non-binding collaborative attempt for the state to get all of the county taxing units together to just discuss what the future local income tax rates may look like. based on all the changes with SEA-1. As Bill and I and others have discussed, There's going to be changes, so this is a. We think that the legislators, this isn't a done deal. We're going to work under the. Context of what's available to us now, but ultimately. We're just going to be advising and reporting, providing a report to the state that says our county. Looks like this, and this is what all the units want to do, because there'll be some. decisions made by Yorktown and Muncie that need to be determined. There'll be a fire EMS determination that has to be done. And we'll just gather all that information and put it together. But the report, the meetings are supposed to occur prior to October 1st, and the report goes back to them by November, I believe. It goes back to the state. So there's not a lot of time to pull this together. So we'll do our best to get everybody to the table.

We're not starting from scratch. We engaged policy analytics in the spring. They have provided us with several reports and guidance, including a template that can be used to When you get down to actual numbers in dealing with local income tax rates, that will be very valuable. So we're not starting from scratch, but we will take the lead in getting the other units of local government together to fulfill our duties.

And either Policy Analytics or Baker Tilly or AIC or somebody else will help guide these meetings that we have. So we'll create an objective and agenda. They'll help navigate the details with some of this too.

Any questions or other comments? Very good. Moving on, Civic Center Authority appointment. I think this was mentioned last week. I did receive communication from Brianna Likens that... Council has two appointments to the Civic Center Authority, one Democrat and one Republican, to serve a term that begins August 1st of this year through July 31st of 2028. Marianne Cradaville is one of our present appointments and she has request to be reappointed. I don't think we have posted this on our website so we need to post this and set a date for persons to express their interest. Uh, we'd be particularly looking for one Democrat. It's been suggested that, uh, it would be a value if we could find one to have an attorney. on the Civic Center Authority Board and I will contact the Muncie Bar Association and make it known that if there is a local attorney that would be interested in participating to please submit their expression of interest. So we will get that posted and anticipate making an appointment at our August meeting.

Until then, our current representatives will continue to serve until their replacements are appointed.

Any questions? Next item is One Touch Initiative Resolution 2026-100.

In that resolution, there's a list of appointed positions for a board steering committee. And what we're needing from the council is to have someone appointed to that committee. This is going to be extremely important because our goal here is to to take feedback and develop a plan so that all the partners are aware before we start doing anything. It's all the way from coming up with ideas all the way through finishing the deployment of the product and training. So we're going to rely on this committee for feedback and develop on all the things to keep all the departments aware. So there's seven positions currently. The commissioner appointed one last week, so we're looking for the council this week and then we can appoint the rest of them.

Okay, the commissioners appoint a commissioner or somebody who had debated the point, the point anyone, um, they actually appoint Fred.

So Fred's on the committee. Um, right now I've sit down and talk. So he'll, he'll be involved in the front end of all these things. And I have a lot of feedback, you know, got dialogue with, with, uh, that committee. So we're looking for someone, anyone, uh, if a council member wanted to do it fine, if you want to point someone else, That's voluntold so much.

Sure.

We saw how that works.

Yeah, we saw how that works.

Our process on committee appointments is to make sure that they are publicized on the website and There is, I believe, on the new website, there's actually a forum for people to express an interest in serving on boards and committees. So if we can get this posted promptly, Just a point of... Expressions of interest and maybe perhaps make the appointment at our August meeting.

Just a point of clarification. This committee that he's referencing is not something that should be somebody from the public. This should be an internal committee because it deals with the new time clock software and everything else. I'm going to tell you, I think Matt saw me point, the other person that volunteered at the commissioner meeting was Mike Ashley. I would highly recommend because of his 24-hour department.

that he be your appointment on this committee moving forward because it should be an internal person to the county that's what this committee is designed yeah it really is because we need the whole point of this is to make sure the departments have input on the front end uh of really what the issues are what we need to address all the way through the process that they're informed and they they give you know the new person that's going to be the project leader the outline of what needs to be done so they can do it, and then it's communicated through them and also from the project manager to the particular departments. Because one of the issues we've had is, one, communications, two, I can give you a list of the issues. You've probably heard it from various departments over the last year or two. And that's what this whole thing's about, is really trying to develop a means of communicating and make sure we don't have unforeseen issues come up.

So this is an advisory committee, you know, of folks to help guide the project, basically. The first project is the time card component, right? That's the big one, right? So, like, Mike has got a complicated division. I don't know if Sheriff Skinner is still here. You know, I would think somebody like, you know, Matt Kubiak or somebody could be from a public safety perspective part of that. How many people do you have on this committee already?

Well... I think it was 7-12. I don't have the resolution for that. I think it was 7-12. But we would like to have someone, either the sheriff or a sheriff appoint someone from his area. And I think Mike would be a great asset. I think the direction we're going right now, I'd like the director.

Mike, do you want to come up and formalize your volunteer? He said, I'll do it.

Could I entertain a motion to appoint?

So moved. Second.

Our representative on the committee. So we had Jessica and then Dan.

Dan, motion. I second.

Introduced by May. You're certainly free under your rules to go ahead and make the appointment today without posting it. However, that would require you to suspend your rules by the end of this meeting.

For this one appointment, because otherwise you're required to.

Motion to suspend the rules first. Yes. Okay, we have motions to suspend the rules. I'll second that.

I'm Dan, seconded by Jessica. And that is just for the purpose of this one internal committee to make our appointment today without posting because we're only looking for county leadership, not the general public. roll call on the suspending the rules.

Mr. Flanagan? Yes. Mr. Wyhead? Yes. Mr. Mogul? Yes. Mr. Bucow? Yes. Ms. Piper?

Yes.

Mr. Kantz? Yes. Mr. Hughes? Yes.

Okay, now on the appointment motion. We have the motion on the floor in a second. Any questions or comments? Last chance to back out. Okay. Roll call, please.

Mr. Flangen. Yes. Mr. Wyatt. Yes. Mr. Mogul. Yes. Mr. Bookout. Yes. Ms. Piper. Yes. Mr. Gantz. Yes. Mr. Hughes.

Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Ben, for pointing that out to us. I'm not aware of any old business, new business. You should have received a second quarter commissary report. We need a motion to receive that.

So moved.

Second. Motion by Dan, second by Eugene. Sheriff, any comments?

I don't have any comments. Well, I do have one comment. Starting in the third quarter, the quarter we're in now, Nancy's going to amend slightly the way she lists expenses from the commissary report, and it will 100% directly reflect the ordinance that you guys passed a couple years ago. So right now, There's a couple of categories that we, quite frankly, we don't use very often, so they're just, they're not in there. But we had a meeting with State Board of Accounts last month, and they kind of suggested that our commissary report directly reflect the ordinance that we have. So that's the only thing. You'll see that it looks a little bit different, but... That's the reason why. I'm looking through it right now. If you guys have any questions, I would try to answer them. But there's some things on here that... You know, there's names that are listed that checks have been written to that, quite frankly, I don't know what they're for. One of the questions at the State Board of Accountants, you know, they picked a line, and it was a name that I didn't even recognize. And it turns out it was the lady that comes in our jail once a month to do haircuts. So, you know, I'll try to answer questions if you have any. If not, then just have to wait until Nancy gets back from vacations.

Questions regarding the commissary report? Roll call.

Mr. Plankin. Yes. Mr. Wyeth. Yes. Mr. Mochel. Yes. Mr. Bucow. Yes. Ms. Pfeiffer. Yes. Mr. Gantz. Yes. Mr. Hughes.

Yes.

Thank you, Sheriff. Thank you.

One additional item of new business relating to educational and military incentive pay. I circulated to the council an email from Jamie Bain, the health department, regarding implementation of the education and military incentive pay benefit, which appears in the employee handbook. I think the question is, how can these be paid where there's not been any appropriation? And in many, if not most departments, there was no money appropriated for this, and I think Where we are is we're going to ask the commissioners to do some research and see whether this was intended to take effect when the handbook was approved or back the first of the year or was intended to only take effect when there was money appropriated to pay those incentives. Is that where we are? Just wanted to make the council aware that it is an open question, and we'll try to have more information at our next meeting.

Marissa, there's been chatter, I think, at the commissioner's meeting around ADA compliant agendas. Do we know what that means and what we have to do for that? Are we needing to change our agenda in some capacity?

I don't know. I'll have to check.

Commissioner Brand, do you have any information you could share with us? I meant to ask this earlier, but I forgot to. As I was trying to read the emails, I thought, well, maybe we ought to be.

Yeah, Stephen Brown County Commissioner's Office. We are not ADA compliant with our agendas. I put out a summary based on the law and compared the commissioner's agenda. Brooke Struble has that, and they're going to update the commissioner's agenda, and I would encourage the council to tag along on that.

Okay, so you'll be getting something of format to use. That's right. Thank you.

Ben, if you could touch base with John or Danielle. Appreciate it. Any other new business? Now moving on to elected officials and department heads. Purdue Extension has requested a opportunity to address us. Good morning.

Good morning. Hi. My name is Becky Marvel, and I'm the new Purdue Extension Regional Operational Leader, and I'll be serving Delaware County. So I'm really excited to be here. I hope you all got your packets. I left with the secretary a couple weeks ago, kind of explains. It's a little folder. It's got some, yay, thank you. I see that.

Great.

So there's some information there explaining going forward the regional operations that we're working on transforming. And we're so real excited to be offering a lot more programming here in Delaware County. I also wanted to give you a little update about the fair because I think it's really important. I appreciate your investment in the community. There was 92 approved adult volunteers, 312 4-H members, 76 cloverbud minis. We offered 65 projects, 154 county-only static project entries. 417 state fair eligible static projects 71 state fair eligible garden projects and 665 animal entries thank you for the fairgrounds everything was wonderful and we so appreciate your investment i'll be here today so in the extension office so if anybody would like to come down be glad to chat with you thank you so much hey becky before you leave can i ask some questions about this partnership piece here I'm sorry, which one?

About the investment numbers for 27. It says, what's this mean for your county? Is this Delaware County specifically? Yes, sir. Yes, I'm sorry. So for 2027, $145,000?

Yes. It's based on population.

Okay. Is that a change from years past?

Yes, it is. So with that, also you'll be able to get community development programming as we've expanded our services. So this will be based on service space.

How many counties are in our region?

Nine.

Okay. Are we the largest?

Yes.

Okay.

Yes, you are.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Have a good day.

Thank you. Other elected officials, department heads, Sheriff Skinner.

Yes, Tony Skinner, Delaware County Sheriff. For the past, I don't know, it's been a couple years, I've had somebody reaching out to me complaining about the dollar amount that the widows benefit for our pension plan. So, There are eight people right now who receive what's called a widow's benefit. So when a person dies or when a person retires from our department, if they're married and they pass away, there are a few certain restrictions and requirements that have to be met to receive this widow's benefit. Everybody doesn't get it. But The point is, since sometime in the early 80s, I think it's the early 80s, the widow's benefit is $200 a month. Like I said, we have eight people that receive it. There's also a dependent benefit that's outside of their normal retirement benefits. If a retiree dies, a dependent who... is a direct dependent of the retiree and they're under the age of 18, they would receive, it's $30 a month. We don't have anybody receiving that right now. But the complaint I've been getting is that they want to increase this widow's benefit from $200 and looking to maybe double it to $400 or maybe even $500 a month. $200 isn't very much. I talked to Ben Langhammer from October 3, and he did some quick math. And he said to double it to $400 a month, even though there's only four or eight people receiving it. So that comes out quick math. It's like 19 grand a year, a little bit over. Um, he said it would cost the County approximately $60,000, um, because of all the math formulas. I don't understand it. I'm not an actuary, but, um, I'm going to hang around after the meeting. I'm not asking you to commit to anything, but I'm going to hang around, and if there's anybody on the council that has any interest in doing this, would you approach me and talk to me about that? Because I haven't, because I knew it was going to be expensive, but I just want to answer this person with an official yes or no. We're considering moving forward with this. or we have no interest in doing this. So that's all I wanted to say.

How long have those $200 and $30 figures been in place?

For decades. Yeah, they've never been changed. Once the widow's benefit was established, that was the original dollar figure, and they've never changed. And we haven't asked for a formal study from the pension, the people that manage the pension, because we have to pay for that, and it costs a couple thousand dollars. So I just asked Ben to do some back-of-the-napkin math on it, and that's the number he came up with.

Which would be a, he's talking about a one-time contribution.

An annual contribution. Annual contribution. An annual increase of roughly $60,000.

Other questions?

Thank you. Sheriff. I've been there earlier. Would you be open to appointing someone to that one-touch initiative committee? I absolutely would. Great.

Yeah. That would be great. Okay. Thanks. Mary?

I would also like to be considered for that as well. We currently have a time clock system, and I think it's going to change our ways of things as well. So if you would consider me as well on that committee. Thank you.

Thank you.

Sold.

Just to give you guys a brief update, you guys all got an email yesterday about an AI initiative that we're going to try to move forward with for non-emergency call handling. in the dispatch center. There's a neighboring county that's using it. I was asked last year to look at AI as a possible solution to our increasing call volume, knowing that we can't add staff. So there will be a proposal going before the commissioners on Monday to sign a contract. It's a three-year contract at $85,000 a year. It'll be funded out of the statewide 911 fund. You'll get paperwork in August to do the appropriation request. I was able, thanks to the auditor's office, to get it included in next year's budget so I don't have to ask for an additional appropriation. It's just going to be in there. So that's been added, but I do need to pay for it this year. We're looking at roughly eight to 10 weeks after the contract signing for this to be installed and up and running. There's an extensive training component. so that everybody can be on the same page. It also imports directly into our CAD system. So anybody that calls and deals with the AI agent, if it is a legitimate call for service and not a fireworks complaint or something like that, it will input directly into our CAD system. So this is one of the initiatives that we're going to try to move forward with to try to cut some of the workload, knowing that we can't add staff because we're not in a budgetary position to do that. So I encourage you, if you have any questions, reach out to me. Like I said, you will see that in your August meeting for the additional appropriation. And the commissioners have the contract. It's in front of legal. it is it is three years which is automatically renewable after three years they've kept the price at 85 000 for the first three years so i'm pretty excited about this i think it's a game changer for us it's going to be a huge learning curve for everybody that calls the non-emergency lines. Madison County is using it. They've had great success. I think she told me they cut 80% of their fireworks calls off without ever reaching a dispatcher. Just as an example, which is a huge thing. So we're going to try to move forward with it.

I know you didn't want to bore us with the details, but can you forward me some of the information with this company? Absolutely. All the functionality and whatever?

Absolutely. Thanks. Even the tech sheets. Perfect.

I appreciate the email. It's very helpful.

I do have one question. So you were saying it was going to be $85,000 a year, but you also need $85,000 for this year. So it's not prorated, even though we're starting this.

No. So it'll be due 30 days after contract signing. I've already explained to them that because of our appropriation process, it will be longer than that. They're fine with that. So we will be paying it in the fall of next year as well. So that's why I had to put it in the budget. It's a year-to-year thing.

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

My question is, we currently have a contract with the city and they contribute a certain dollar amount towards your facility, 911. And so my question is, with all of the additional costs the county has absorbed this year with the new software, are going to be absorbing and potentially this as well. I know it's not in your wheelhouse, but what is the appropriate step? Who discusses with the mayor our additional costs, which have gone up, which did not involve employees, just hardware, software, et cetera, to maybe get some additional funds from them?

So I believe we have two years left in the contract, and then it will be up for renegotiation.

Do the commissioners try to renegotiate to amend that? They'd be responsible for it, yeah.

That would be a commissionering decision. I don't know that... I'm not going to speak for them. I will say that this money for this comes out of the statewide 9-1-1 fund, which is not... It's a fund created for stuff like this.

It is, but I would think what Jim's saying, and I agree with him, which is the percentage of calls that come from city limits, the contribution that the city pays for 9-1-1, you know, should be looked at year-over-year, right? And you've given us reports on the breakdown of where calls come from.

So the city agreement, I think they contribute a million dollars a year to 911. I haven't read that contract probably since January or February last year. I'll revisit it. I believe there was some sort of language in there that allowed an escalation of the costs year-over-year. Yeah, I think Fred's right. I think it's $25,000 a year. When I read that contract, I looked into it, and we weren't charging them more year over year. So I met with the mayor, and we had an agreement to do a catch-up. So he agreed to get caught up, and then Jenna is making sure now that we're billing the right amount year over year. So I'll have to revisit that contract and see if there's any sort of language that would allow us to renegotiate the bid contract.

Yeah, and I think that, and not to try to stick it to the city, but what our overall costs are for 911, what the state covers, what they don't cover, and what's left over, and trying to determine what's fair, basically. I don't disagree.

Thanks. Thanks.

Any other questions?

And thank you, Fred. Thank you, Fred. And also, just real quick, please restate your comment about that $85,000 is going to be, with the EAI, will be covered by the state.

It's coming out of the statewide 911 fund, which is outside of county general. Just like the auto dispatching stuff that was almost $200,000 by the time we get done, it came out of that fund as well, and the annual maintenance comes out of that fund. There are only certain allowable expenses out of the statewide 911 fund. This, thankfully, thanks to Madison County, they got this before we did and got the state to agree that we can pay for it out of this fund because that was a huge concern because it's outside of what the eligible expenses would be. But the state has now said that it is an eligible expense, and so that saved us from having to fund $85,000 out of the county general fund.

Are there other counties in Indiana besides Madison using it currently?

Lake County. And I do know that they just met with IMPD because they're looking at doing it. I mean, you have to understand, this software, actually, there are other places in the country where it answers nine-on-one calls. Not supportive of that.

Gotcha.

So this is a three-year contract, right? I know you probably can't answer this. Maybe you can. What's the possibility this fund could be cut in future years by the state?

It doesn't happen. It's state mandated. Everybody gets the same cut every year. There's been talks about increasing the level of funding, but the state pushed back because a lot of counties weren't. maximizing what they could already do, like the PSAP tax or lit tax increases. Delaware County is one of those counties that does not use the highest level of lit tax or PSAP tax. I think we're still at 1.5%. Don't quote me on that. And we can go up to 3%. So the state's unwilling to raise what they give out to the counties when they're not maximizing the tools that the state already gave them to increase their revenue all that changes with the new list that's correct so everything everything's subject to change yes that's true but i know this fund will never go away because it's based on the surcharges on cell phones and everything else it's it's pretty set for yeah that 911 fee you pay in your cell phone that comes back to us

Thank you, Fred. Other elected officials, department heads?

Hi. I am Shanna Croy. I just wanted to introduce myself. I am now the new court administrator. So I just wanted to say hello, see if you guys had any questions or anything for me.

Welcome. Can you tell us a little bit about your background?

I have been a court administrator for the last six years at Elwood City Court. And before that, I worked in retail for 20 years. Two of those years were in loss prevention. And before that, I went to Ball State and got a criminal justice degree. And I also have a paralegal certificate.

Welcome. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Do you live in Elwood?

No, I live in Frankton. Okay.

I know where Frank is.

I know where they will find another person from Frank. Is that it?

Yeah, thank you.

Thank you so much.

Other public officials? Public comment? I'm curious to see if anyone signed up. Call them first. Thank you. Mr. Yentzer, you're up.

Rick Yentzer, newsman and author. After listening to the transfers, the appropriations, nickel and dime as I call it, of local government, I would remind you with changes in the tax law, what's coming up with the legislature, and what I just heard about using AI for non-emergency communications. I think you need to do a little bit more information gathering. AI has been plagued with problems throughout, and now it's coming into public view with public safety and even public utilities using it to answer phones. So I don't know. I didn't hear a lot today of it. oh it's great and it only costs us 85 000 a year i think a lot more uh information gathering needs to be done on that and i'll speak here for the people again that as you know the tax bills that have been passed it might have cost you money may cost you more they're going to change how taxes are distributed i hope that local government ain't going to raise taxes Because, again, I've seen that twice now in the last year. Yorktown raised excise taxes, which people are pissed off about. They're paying more on the vehicle registrations. And, of course, the commissioners tried to raise the CUME tax, and they were met with a little bit of opposition. So with budgets coming up and all these tax laws being in flux because we've got an election this year, we'll have an election in 28 when some of this is going into effect. Everything's going to change, so I wouldn't be too worried about anything of the day-to-day or maybe month-to-month or just year-to-year. But again, I'll tell you right now, the noise I get from a lot of people, they don't want their taxes raised. They don't think they're getting anything for their taxes, and they're tired of being taxed to death, especially from the reassessment this year and some of the taxes that have gone up with some of these other government units. So good luck.

Very good. Anyone else, public comment? Comments from council?

Yeah, fair board. Kudos for a great fair week. Seemed like everyone had a great time. Crowd seemed pretty decent. We had wonderful weather, so that was really delightful this year, so kudos to them.

I might mention that the fair board president and another employee is going to resign at the end of next month and the fair will, it'll be a loss for the fair.

Are those appointments we will make or no, it's internal.

Uh, Dan White's going to retire completely, so I don't know exactly how that works. And then the other one is the Fairport president's going to step back down to his vice president role.

Other comments from council? I have one comment. Recognize that yesterday was Ron and Phyllis Quickenbush's 69th wedding anniversary. just a year or two before you came on campus. Next meetings, you will see that we have a special meeting on Tuesday, August the 18th at 9 AM in this room. We will receive presentations from Policy Analytics and Baker Tilly, as well as some internal information on miscellaneous income. This is all relating to revenue projections to help us understand where we are going into the budget process. Our regular meeting is Tuesday, August 25th. And then we will start our budget hearings as we have traditionally on the Wednesday after Labor Day. This year it falls on the 9th, which is about as late as it can be. Hopefully we'll be well prepared so we can move ahead promptly on our budget process.

There's nothing further.

I'd entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved. Second. Motion from Jessica. Second from Dan. Roll call, please.

Mr. Flanagan. Yes. Mr. Whitehead. Yes. Mr. Moekel. Yes. Mr. Bookout. Yes. Ms. Piper. Yes. Mr. Gantz. Yes. Mr. Hughes.

Yes. We're adjourned.