Area Plan Apc / Bza - Regular Meeting

and I have it at 8:00. Welcome to the May 18th, 2026 commissioners meeting. There are title six forms in the back corner if you want to fill one of those out and return it to the auditor's office. And Matthew Spear, our new animal shelter director, can you please lead us in the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

And if you can remain standing, Brian's going to lead us in prayer. Heavenly Father, we just ask you here today to watch over us, guide us um as we make decisions for the county. We thank you for this beautiful weather we have today and we look forward to Memorial Day weekend as we um honor all those who have helped us with this great country. In your name we pray. Amen. Amen. All right. Uh, starting first with the May 4th minutes.

I don't see anything. It looks pretty good to me. I'll entertain a motion. I'm going make a motion to approve the minutes. I'll second. All those in favor say I. I. Those opposed? Motion carries. Moving on to the May 8th executive session uh minutes. I'll make a motion to approve the May 8th executive session. I'll second that. All those in favor say I. I. Those opposed? Motion carries. All right. Claims I.

Those opposed? Motion carries. Moving on to payroll for the week of May 8th, 2026 in the amount of $436,87450.

Nothing looked out of the ordinary to me. Same here. I make a motion to approve payroll. I'll second that motion. Go ahead. All those in favor say I. I. Those opposed. Motion carries. All right, Doug Westerfeld, APC. I have uh seven reszoning files that I need signatures on.

Okay, the first one's petition ABC 2025-9. It's for John Marceli on beh on behalf of Charles Redmond to reszone 23 acres from A1 to A2. This is for a cell tower. All right. It looks like all members present voted in favor. Uh there's one seat that's vacant and two were absent. So there were six yeses, no nos. You say going from A1 to A2, what's the difference between those two?

So A1 is agriculture, right? A2 is agriculture if you want to put a residence on it or if you want to put a cell tower. So our ordinance to read that if if you're going to put a cell tow you have to come in front of our APC to get to get res.

All right. Uh I'll make a motion that we approve 2025-9. I'll second. All those in favor say I. I. All those opposed? Motion carries. The next uh is petition 2025-23 is protecting trees to resone 2.99 acres from A1 to A2 primary residents.

Doug, I'm guessing on this one when there where there's no yes or nos, those were just absent. Those were absent. Okay. So all present voted in favor, one vacancy, two absent.

Any discussion? Any questions? I do not. I'll make a motion to approve. All right. All those in favor say I. I. Those opposed. Motion carries. The next is petition 2025-29.

Okay. We had five yeses, one no, two absent. Was there some debate on this one? Doug,

there was a um there was a property owner that did come to the meeting. So, I think that's why I think they felt like possibly too close to their property, but they met all the requirements. I think that's they approached them about putting it on their property and they They didn't want it on the next property.

Are there any u property owners, adjacent property owners, and concerned uh citizens that would like to speak to the Jason Riggs petition 2025-29 here today? Hearing none. Any other questions? I would make a motion to accept. Second. All those in favor say I. I. And those opposed.

Motion carries. Next is petition 2026-2 is for Mark Eden to resone 2.99 to 82 primary. All members present. All members voted in favor. All right. I'd entertain a motion for 2026-2. So moved.

Second. All those in favor say I. I. Those opposed. Put it in favor. Make a motion to accept. All those in favor say I. I. Those opposed. Motion carries. The next item is Wayne Spear 2.99 from R4 to A2.

This property was out by Clarksburg. That's why it was One member absent. The remaining members voted in favor.

I make a motion to approve. I'll second that motion. All those in favor say I. I. Those opposed Motion carries. And the last one is Aaron Ogle 2.99 A1 to A2. This is petition 20 26-8. All members were present. All members voted in favor. I entertain a motion.

So move second. All those in favor say I. I. Those opposed. Motion for 2026-8 is approved. Thanks, Doug. Thank you.

You have any update on the comp plan, Doug? We've had um total picked up here.

Update on the comp plan. Um, we had 75 surveys from the time that we announced the uh this last public meeting. uh they closed out the survey. Um they'll close it out today. Um we did not have any steering committee meetings in the month of May. Our next steering committee me meeting is June the 4th. We'll take a look at u basically a rough plan uh and then the and put some action steps together to start formalizing the u the public draft of the comp plan. Any other questions?

Thank you. All right. Thank you. Tim Mortman, Highway Department. Morning, gentlemen. Good morning.

Uh, it start off with the battery storage system project going up on 400 North. So, they did do some improvements on 250 West as you were. So they pretty much finalized their transportation plan. So the manual of uniform traffic control device is what they have to follow in our signage. So the PE has got that finalized. The new signs be going up. So if everybody wants to know why, when or where it is to comply with the standards they have to from traffic control devices. The other part of their transportation plan is now it looks like all the main loads going to come in off of three 400 north be unloaded. The empty trucks will go out 250 south. So they're not passing meat on each other, but we are already seeing some damage on the road shoulders on 400 North fire. So they are going to go in there and do some improvements on the shoulders prior to for safety, but also hopefully cut down deterioration when it does happen. Okay. They'll be using the county standards as far as the stone on the shoulder drop offs, etc., etc. That road also doesn't really have approaches to the mailboxes. So the mailbox when they drive off drive back on it tears road shoulder up. So they'll be installing mailbox approaches and move mailboxes back a little bit. So that that will be the work taking place. So Dave Ome is a contractor they've selected. Okay. So they'll be doing the work. Like I said, they understand the county specs and everything. So that will be taking place. Highway 3 intersection also needs approved even though it's an NDOT project. They got coordinated with INDOT. We pledged our support. The highway department did that. Yeah. Widen that intersection would be a big safety factor help off of Highway three. So they got to coordinate with them on that. So that'll be taking place here kicking off shortly. I guess probably about two weeks they'll get rolling out or three weeks something like that on that. So uh Northeast uh we pulled them from Monday the 11th to Thursday the 14th. So we had the results back today. So anyway, basically they went up 1473

vehicles a day average which was a 47% increase in traffic. So yeah, there's a substantial amount of traffic increase. It's only going to get worse. So that's and that's your that's your dayto day during the week. That's dayto day during the week, not on the weekend. And it'd be it'd be interesting to see even the the more uh increase in traffic and I think it's going to continue where people learns that route. I think it's going to continue to increase. I mean, I think just the number of people that are using GPS says get off here. You can you can tell when there's tell when there's something going on that's slowing traffic down out there because there's a sudden increase in traffic. So, do we want to have Chad go ahead and follow up with the resolution? Is this a supplement to that? Yes.

Okay. I'll get with Chad on that then.

So, uh 421 construction I end projects due to kick off. Uh June the 1 be the bridge by five points. They'll be closing it down for deck replacement on it. uh after Memorial Day the 26th they plan on starting a drain structure down the south end of the county. So they'll be most time they're gonna have two different projects going at the same time on that road. The unofficial detours are in place on that road already. So uh we request they're doing a pretty good job. They're doing a great job I think coordinate with dispatch on this one. They've got dispatch a call down list of contacts there's any issues out here. They got a map of all the locations and they're getting them a schedule so they'll know what's coming when since there's going to be so much happening different places out there. So do appreciate them working together. We've had 12 applications turned in for employment applications. Um the HIPS grant, the LAR grant we've talked about, Greensburg is interested in partnering with that grant to do Greensburg also. So it looks like it's going to be a co application on that deal at least looking at that. But we did have an interesting situation of course the fiber going across the country had company approach us about putting fiber in the county and stuff and through conversation one thing really came out was kind of interesting in that the the Indiana dig law states that any private utilities the land owners required for locating. Okay. So when you have a water meter, your service line is up to you to locate it, but you don't get notified by the 811 dig law. So we request this company to facilitate with the land owners and hire private locator at their expense to locate these also the gas lines etc. They have agreed to do this. Okay. But we would like to work with area plan. I don't know if the ordinance will fit with them. We'd like to have an ordinance when the county says any service provider utility that's doing this. They have to work with the land owners. They have to pay for the private locate. Plus, the other thing is

if they would hit it, it'd be the land owner's expense to fix it. Even though they weren't really located, you know what I mean? Notified. So, we'd like to put that back on the excavator on both of those points. Paying for that. Yeah. As long as we have that in writing, their their requirement is to pay for any damage. Yes. Yes. That would be caused so it's not passed on to the homeowner.

Yes. We had them get a hold of DNR. We for DNR for the gas wells so they can identify the gas wells because a lot of the gas wells came from the old gas companies like Westport in there and then they turn them gas wells over to private individuals. A lot of times they got to keep the infrastructure run along the county roads. So when you call and locate it don't get done. Nobody knows it's there. So they'll work with DNR and get that information. Yeah, we'll get that in writing but yeah we'll proceed going down that direction. So, the annual report was submitted successfully. So, that's done. Kudos. Uh the new model year pickups are getting ready to get released. They do not have pricing on them yet because new model year. So, hopefully by the June 15th meeting, the new model year pricing in place and enterprise can bring the official quotes.

And the only other thing I got looking at dump trucks pricing, we bought them through Sourcewell before. So source well is a pre-negotiated pricing with the federal government for manufacturers. So what we're asking is go ahead and get three different quotes from three different manufacturer on dump trucks through the source well program since you can't really match specs perfectly for bidding purposes. Use the source well and do three different quotes. So I'd like to like to go ahead and get them quotes and bring it back start. I'd say go with the quotes and just see where you come in at. That's what the source will also do um like specific things you need for each dump truck or if you need snowplow equipment stuff attachments and so forth.

We'll use source well pricing so that way we don't have to bid. We already had the pre-negotiated price. Okay. Yes. That's I'm request utilizing that format. We'll do at least three manufacturers. And when you're doing dump trucks, are you doing tandem axles, triacles? What do both? We want to see I want to compare apples to apples. See how this thing comes in. see where our best bang for our bucks at. How many are you looking to purchase? Three. Three. Okay. And do you have a preference on whether triacel or tandem in those or I mean triac works the best or the most efficient but you know it all comes into pricing. I mean if we get a really bodacious price you know we got to look at it. Preferably it's going to be triacal. You know you're home 15 20 open or has that closed?

Closed now. Very good. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you, Tim. Thanks, Jim. Oh, there we go. Didn't see you back there. How you doing? All right.

Andy Scholley. Um, I'm here on county surveyor business, which we don't have usually much of. Um, a couple, I don't know, month or two ago, I met with six other county surveyors um up in Rush County. They're wanting to um put together the flat wa flat rock river water development commission which it's kind of like a regulated drain. State statute spells out regulated drains. We don't really have regulated drains in this county. There's a couple waterheds in Rush that come into Decar but we don't have any other regulated drains here. I think this all started in Henry and Rush County where that's the majority of flat rock runs through all their county and they get so many, you know, trees and debris and beaver dams and a lot of obstructions. So, they're looking to work with the the other six counties, seven counties to put together an ordinance. Um DNR helps with all this. They are the ones that um gave us a sample ordinance. They did this in a county um in 2024 and it seems to be working well in that county. I forget the name of it. It's down in southwest part of the state. Um all seven counties would have the same ordinance. there would be a um whatever the rates are, those would be the same for the all the counties because, you know, from the initial meeting we've had, we haven't had a second meeting yet, but to me it sounds like it's a a good plan. Um because if we don't go along with it and all the other counties do, that water is going to be coming through Decar County at a very fast speed and it's going to hit a bunch of trees and debris, you know, in Decar County and then it's just going to flood

out into the citizens of Decar County, you know, out into their fields. Um I haven't I just haven't heard much else back from the other counties yet. I think Rush County, they're kind of heading it up. Um, let's see. Who pays for the for the clean up, the tree removal?

It'll it'll all be the land owners that are affected by it. It's it's like a reg that's just the way, you know, regulated drains work. It's they take into consideration the amount of acreage that drains into that river or ditch and then there's a set rate, you know, $5 an acre and that is put onto their property taxes and then the county collects that. So, if the county needs to have it cleaned out, like way I understand it, I would go out, take pictures, get quotes from some excavating companies, you know, possibly work with neighboring counties. I bring them quotes back to you guys. You would pick which company you want to use to remove the obstruction. And, you know, if that bill is $50,000, it would be divided up prrated by the acreage and the amount of people it how many parcels go into that like drain into the Flat Rock River and then that's added to their tax bills over three-year period, fiveyear period, something like that to reimburse the county. It's just, you know, a separate fund to set up. So, it shouldn't cost the county any money, but it's going to cost the citizens that live along the flat rock to help maintain it and make sure that that water is continuing to flow the way it should. So then also the ordinance would require that the excavator or whoever is coming in to clean out these issues has automatic right of way to traverse

for per state code. It's for regulated drains. It's 75 ft from the bank of the river in each direction. So if you adapt um if you adopt this ordinance that's already spelled out that the rightway is given you know you got at least 75 you got 150 ft plus the width from bank to bank for people to work. So we wouldn't need to get any additional easements or surveys or or anything like that

just getting the equipment to the property or getting the equipment to that area. But the thing that that I I'm listening and and it's very subjective on who is paying and how much. I think that's where the argument would come in if I was a land owner. And and I'm like, well, that's that's down the, you know, down the river. That isn't my responsibility or or why am I paying for that? That's where it gets convoluted in my opinion, right? um very subjective on how much the rate and who who we're charging and how we're going to pay for um that that's difficult well and also I look at it as it is a public waterway

right that anybody can be on it at any time and then by this ordinance we are regulating that public waterway that's your responsibility well that's where I'm yes but at the At the same time, it's hard because it's a public waterway. Anybody can go walk right down the middle of the river and you aren't trespassing on anybody's land. You can go fishing down it. You can go boating down it. No issue. But now we're imposing a additional fee for cleanup when it's really under ours jurisdiction. One big rain can move the mess from one property owner to the next. Yeah,

I understand the spirit of it. It makes sense to make sure that water's flowing so we don't have flooding, right? I get it. It's just it always comes down to who's paying for it, right? On page 16, this was like an example DNR came up with, you know, like if it was a residence, the way I understood it, say there's just a twoacre parcel there with Andy, these don't have page numbers. What's the heading? What's the heading on the page? Um, Flat Rock Hall 8. It's near back should be the second to last page. Okay.

The way I understand it is, you know, this example the DNR put together. You know, if you have a twoacre residence, you just pay $7 and and these rates are all negotiated through the different counties depending on how much work has to be done. And then like it says, you know, if it's agricultural land and you got 50 acres draining into it, you know, they said a dollar an acre. Okay. So that's that's minimal. That's a Yeah,

it all depends on what does the excavating, you know, what's it going to cost to remove this obstruction? And obviously in the beginning, I'm sure there's going to be a lot more expense because it hasn't been properly cleaned out. And that's why they're trying to put together this watershed development commission. Um once it gets cleaned out then it should be a lot less expensive regular ma maintaining it.

Yeah. Then it's just maintaining it which it's never properly been maintained and that's why Rush County, Henry County are looking into this process to try to work with the other counties. Um and then you know once the if no work needs to be done they after the three to five years that falls off their tax bill. You don't keep paying and putting money in a pool. You just you have the work done first. They figure out how soon does the county want to recoup the money and then that's put on someone's tax bill, which is the way every regulated drain works in the county, which is most of the counties up north. you know, the flatter the county, they have to maintain these drains because the you get farmers that argue with each other and then someone won't clean it and then it just backs up and they get a lot more lawsuits. I just wanted to bring you this to your attention. There's no decisions to be made. There's contact information um from the two ladies at DNR that presented it that are kind of heading these up. Um, I think they're working on another one somewhere else in the state.

No, I I like the idea. I like the idea of maintaining the waterways. It's just again comes down to I know um you know that's not somebody's going to say it's not my responsibility or I I don't know why I'm paying for that. I I know. And that's the the tough part for us to to enforce that payment of something that

Well, that that last part that you said, Andy, is kind of what was striking me anyways on this is that if there is something that a property owner is doing on their property that is causing damage to somebody else, there's already a mechanism for you to to go and get a remedy, and that's by filing a lawsuit. um instead of spreading the burden out everywhere. I don't know. I'll have to think about this. I I know. And like I said, I only had one meeting on this. So, if you guys have other questions, you can send them to me and I will try to get answers for you. The the last page has the contact information for the two ladies from DNR that did the presentation.

I'd love to hear more from them. Can you have them maybe see if they can come to a meeting? Yeah. Yeah. and and we'd like to give this ordinance to our attorney too and we can we can hear what they have to say and then we can make a decision. Yeah. Kind of on what we I I'll talk to Rush County and see where you know what kind of feedback is he getting from the other six counties. Yeah, that's a good point. Um because like I said, it's a watershed development commission. You know, there's like all seven counties. It's not just us, right? But we're part of it. Sure. Um, so I'll I'll talk to DNR, see if they can come to a meeting. Uh, see where

on the bridge there on 421, um, there's always significant amount of of flooding down in that river valley. But also, I see the issue of everybody upstream cleans. Yep. And it just comes down makes the water that much faster. It does. I mean, what you're saying makes sense. Yeah, I know. At some point, it's going to do that somewhere regardless because I know I don't want If it comes rushing down quicker from the north, yeah, I don't want it to damage the property and crops of the Decatur County citizens because we don't want to want to keep it moving. Yeah. Keep it moving straight on down and through to the next county.

I don't know. I just thought it better bring it to your attention. And they did send me an example ordinance that they have. I will try to re email that out for all seven counties as far as the procedures. Okay, thank you. A lot to chew on there. Thanks, Andy. Thank you, guys. All right, Miss Na'vi Health Department. Good morning. Morning.

All right, so we've applied for and hello. Okay, we've applied for and have been awarded a grant from the Food and Drug Administration and the National Environmental Health Association. That grant is broken down into two parts. It's a $5,000 um reimbursement um once deliverables have been met. I'm trying to pull up my Here we go. Um $5,000 once deliverables have been met and then a $3,500 reimbursement for the training portion. So the deliverable part that is just where we need to complete a self- assessment within the health department. Um aligning seeing where we align with the FDA retail food protection program having that assessment audited by someone else who is already FDA standardized and I've already got someone secured for that. And then completing a um a strategic plan to um help ourselves align more with the FDA retail food protection program. So, uh, basically this grant is going to cover us to go to a training in Kansas City, Missouri. It will pay for the registration, the flights, and the hotel. Um, and the $3,500 portion is reimbursed based on how much we spend up to $3,500. I gave you guys kind of a breakdown of that. I'm only planning for $2700ish. And that will cover myself and Ally Myers at the health department, too. So, it's not just one person. Um, and then the $5,000 will be reimbursed as a full amount at the end of the grant cycle. So, basically, we're asking for um you guys to accept that, approve it.

All funds that you'll be spending all come from the grant. Yeah. That's very interesting. Great. Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited. That's good. Y I'll make a motion to uh accept the green proposal. I'll second. All those in favor say I. I. Those posed. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you.

All right. Brady Claxton, McGowan Insurance. Good morning.

Morning, Brady. We have the May 22nd, 2026 uh property liability, auto work comp, and cyber liability insurance renewal. We approached multiple insurance companies this year at the renewal. Travelers is the incumbent insurance carrier on the bulk of the uh lines of coverage and Liberty Mutual did provide a competitive proposal this year. Uh Bliss Mcnite was another company we approached that can write the uh liability. They ended up declining a couple weeks ago. the parks department exposure I think was just a little bit too much for them and what their appetite is for risk uh with county government. Um IP is the current uh workers comp insurance company. We did get a competitive proposal from a company called Westpen on the workers comp and then million to 105 million. Part of that increase is the new building out at the fairgrounds. And then we also had we also keep up um from a cost to construction standpoint. We always add an inflationary increase on our property values each year to keep up with the cost of construction. Our budget increased about 1.2 million which drives the public entity management liability premium. Um our employee count increased from 215 to 230 total employees which drives the employment uh practices liability premium. So, uh, all in all, we're just talking about where travelers ended up on the renewal. The the expiring premium is 376,000 for their lines of coverage, and their renewal premium came in right at 400,539. That is a 6.2% increase over last year. About half of that is exposure increases. Like I said, those property values increasing the vehicle count, employee count, and then the other half would be just what you know, rate increase from travelers. Um, and and

mainly attributed to the auto liability and the umbrella lines of coverage. You know, uh, where the market has been this year, the the the market is getting better from an insurance standpoint. The last three to five years have been really, uh, difficult. what you've been seeing, you know, really those double-digit increases on insurance uh rates and this year it's it's getting a lot better. So 6.2% I'd say really what we're seeing from a market standpoint with most of our municipalities is right around that 9%. So you guys were there at 9% with travelers, but that competition from Liberty Mutual helped drive that down some. Um, Liberty Mutual came in a little bit less than Travelers. They're they came in at at 385,430. So that's that is a $15,000 difference. Um, I still would it would be our recommendation to renew with Travelers and it that for a few reasons. Um, Travelers has shown more stability in the marketplace than Liberty Mutual over the last couple years. Livery Mutual has gotten off of a lot of county governments when there are, you know, when when they have claims mainly related to the law enforcement liability lines. So, Travelers has been a little bit more stable uh in the marketplace. Plus, Travelers has better deductibles than Liberty Mutual in several areas. Uh they Liberty Mutual's flood and earthquake deductibles are 100,000 compared to Travelers at 25,000. the employment practices liability, which if an employee sues the county for harassment, wrongful termination, discrimination, those claims, the traveler's deductible is 10,000 instead of 25,000 with Liberty Mutual. Liberty Mutual has a water damage deductible of 50,000 that Travelers does not have. So, if uh a pipe burst in one of our buildings due to freezing or

anything else, uh Liberty Mutual would have a $50,000 deductible for that event when uh travelers would not have they would just have the normal $25,000 property deductible. So, you know, any one of those claims would negate that savings there with Liberty Mutual, that 15,000. So again, it would it would be our recommendation to uh to renew with travelers at the 400,5539. Um and again, travelers did reduce their original renewal because of the competition from from Liberty Mutual. We had a really good result with the workers comp this year. Uh the expiring premium is 149,331 with IPE. The renewal premium is going to be 109,857 for a $40,000 reduction. That's being driven by the experience mod is is reducing. Uh it the current experience mod is a 1.09 which anything over a one means that they are debiting your premium by that number. So you were getting a debit of 9% on your work comp premium and that's based off the last three years of of claims history. This year that experience mod went down to a 0.8. So that's a 29% reduction in that in that experience mod number. Plus we are using more accurate payrolls than what have been used in the past. Um you've been getting a return premium because you've been using higher payrolls. So this year we just had the insurance company use the last audited payrolls that for the last policy term plus 5% to keep up with you know any raises or increases that you would give. Um, so we feel like the payroll is a lot more accurate on on the workers comp. We did get a competitive uh proposal from company called Westpen on the work comp, but they were $5,000 higher with I than IP and you have you have a lot of longevity with IPE and and

they ensure most of the cities and counties within the state. Um, on the cyber liability, Converge is the current uh cyber liability carrier. They did provide a renewal. It's 21,665. Um, their expiring premium was six uh 19,696. So that's a $2,000 increase. And they're citing uh they they all cyber liability carriers rate their premium off of your budget. So whenever there's a budgetary increase, their premiums go up. Now over the we did send this out to market as well over the weekend. and we got a really pretty good proposal and I don't know how you want to handle this because I it's it's about $6,000 less than the converge renewal. So, when you look at it percentage-wise, it's a pretty good pretty good uh savings. I had some questions on it on it though that I that I had to email the underwriter and I don't have those answers back yet. It was just how some of their coverage lined up with the current coverage. Um, so if I if those answers come back and they are favorable, I mean I I would probably recommend switching to that to that side.

It says you have a $50,000 deductible option that would incre decrease the premium. Is that that's on the current insurance current? Okay. So this new this possible carrier um is at the $25,000 deductible with 6,000 less in premium and we're at $25,000. That's correct. Yeah. Uh and and e that $50,000 deductible in my opinion it didn't generate enough savings. Okay. To to warrant justify that. Yeah. It was only at 800,000 and some change total compared to 545 last year.

We we did have a couple recommendations. Um the only the one maybe to to talk about really is that employee dishonesty limit. The current travelers policy only has $10,000 of coverage for employee dishonesty. Most of our municipalities carry a higher carry or a higher limit. So we did get a proposal to add 250,000 of employee dishonesty. So that's if you had employees stealing money funds from the county. most of your people that handling money do have are bonded and have those position bonds, but um you know it it wouldn't be a bad idea, I don't think, because $10,000 if somebody if if we did have an employee that was that was um stealing money, you know, would not go very far. That premium for the $250,000 uh employee dishonesty limit would be $2,659 annually. And that doesn't you don't I mean if if it doesn't have to be that can be added at any point during the policy term. So it doesn't have to be decided on today. What do you And I I like the the IPE uh with our workman's comp. Um the decrease in that, but what do you what do you see like next year? And I and I know this maybe getting off just a little bit because we've had some workman's

focus on now and the countyy's doing a Patty and her office is doing a great job of of making sure that employees are getting back to light duty positions if they are injured on the job. Because if we can keep claims medical only, those claims are discounted by 70% when they go to calculate that experience mod number versus a salary versus a versus if yeah the insurance company pays any lost time wages for that employee, they're going to count that claim at 100%. So the the county is doing a great job of getting people back to work in light duty positions so we can keep those claims medical only and keep driving down our our cost on the workers comp side.

Okay. With the um Bliss Mcnite declining coverage because of parks department exposure, are there things that we can do out there to decrease risk from an insurance perspective? No,

you you guys are doing all they they said you have all the policies and procedures that they would like to see in place, but you're a little bit different um than most counties. you know, the the parks department exposure and working with children is just a little bit of a different risk and not all insurance companies want to ensure counties that that have that exposure to children. So, I don't think it's anything that you don't have in place or that you're not doing right. It's just, you know, insurance company appetite. And CHUB did uh we did approach CHUB, which is a a a national property insurance market, and they were not they could not be competitive with either Liberty Mutual or uh travelers on the property.

All right. So, aside from the employee theft, employee honesty, dishonesty policy, dishonesty policy, dishonesty. Um, what are your guys' thoughts just to handle the the other portion with travelers and then I like the idea of travelers because I mean, one claim can set us absolutely $50,000 apart. You know, that's that's it does make sense. I know it's $1,000 difference, but when we hit something with a deductible that is over that Yeah. You know, now we've flipped the balance. So, we all know we have claims. We do. We do. So,

it's a real thing, which makes sense. I I get that. I think I think it's $15,000 savings up front, but we're hedging our bets on not having any claims and we have claims. Cost us way more, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, um, and then converge. Yeah, that's the only one. Yeah. How you want to handle that with the cyber liability? What's our time frame on this? We have until the 22nd. So, okay. We've got it'll get resolved today. Okay. Well, maybe I mean I don't know if we What I mean, do you think converge is um everything

a better um same thing. I would I'd take the $6,000 savings. All right. So on if it if it bears out coverage lines up, right? So on the travelers, I'll make a motion that we accept and continue on with travelers. Second. All those in favor say I. I. Those opposed. Motion carries. On workers comp, I'll make the motion that we stay with IP. Second. All those in favor say I. I. Those opposed. Motion carries. on cyber liability. What was the name of the other company? It is Cowbell. Cowbell. Yeah, that's We all need more Cowbell. Um, you had to go there. Had to go there.

Uh, I'll make a motion that contingent on Brady getting satisfactory information from Cowbell today that we accept them for our cyber liability uh coverage. If that information does not come back satisfactory, then we proceed forward with converge. I'll second that. All those in favor say I. I. Those opposed. Motion carries. Um, what are your guys' thought on the employee dishonesty? What was the I know it was 10k to 250k on coverage, but what was the what was the increase in cost?

2659. That's the act. That's just the increase from currently what we have. Correct. 20. Yes. 2659.

You said that when we don't have to make a decision on not have to make a decision today. It can be added at any point during the the policy term. And that covers part-time employees as well as full-time. Correct. Correct. Okay. elected officials, part-time, full-time. Yeah, your elected officials are going to be bonded. Um, so they're going to have coverage through the bond that they carry. This is mainly for your people that are not bonded that would be handling county funds. Okay. And I don't know what that number looks like for you guys and and what the controls are that are in place. It may and this may warrant a little bit more discussion. That's what I'm thinking. A little bit more. I can get you a number.

Okay. Okay. Well, I would agree that we should have a little bit more discussion on this prior to making the decision. That works. All right. We'll get more information and Okay. We'll get back with you on that one. So, if you can just email us and let us know about Calbell. Yep. All right. All right. Thank you everyone. Thank you, Brady. I do have a quick question. Um, right now we have a blanket bond for employees. Would this take the place of that? No. No, we would still have that. Yeah, that's a good point. It may take care of that.

It may. Okay. So, we already pay for a blanket bond. I'm not non-elected officials. Okay. That that very well, depending on what that limit is, that could take care of me. Okay. And I know it is more than I think it's right around this or possibly more than this increase would be I'll have to double check that. All right, that'd be good. Thank you. Thanks.

All right, moving on to the portallettes bid opening for the fairgrounds. Looks like we had two submissions. All right, the first is from Portallet Sanitation. They have 10 units on here for $2,50. I do have their certificate of liability insurance. That is good through 27. It included the daily cleaning of all 10 units. And then who's your sanitation 10 units cleaning $2,225 certificate of insurance accepted. Septed septic management permit. So we have one that's 250 and one that is 2,225.

Portallets did the work last year. Uh yes they did. There was no issues that you heard from the fair board or anything. Um I mean I Occasionally there would be one that was dirty um that needed cleaning. So there were some during the the fair day uh complaints, but um that I think was from daily usage or things that had happened that particular day and it hadn't got cleaned that evening because they do a daily cleaning. Yes. Um that was that's my recollection of the I think really the one probably not preventable on their part. I I think so. Yeah.

Okay. But I I didn't I don't remember any complaints about toilet paper not being supplied or anything like that. Last year how many portallets did we have because we had substantially more. What was it? 20. Yeah. Okay.

So we had reduced the number. The fair committee's recommendation was to reduce the number of portallettes um on the fairgrounds because we have the new community building with all of the new restroom facilities. Uh so we will still have um the portallettes at the track inside the track and the pit and the back pits down by the horse barn and a couple over towards the the midway. But if you remember, there were a number of there was like a row of portallettes that was on the south end of the old community building. Um, basically all of those are going away because the new community building and the upgrade that has taken place at the farm and home bathrooms. So we have more more capacity built into the fairgrounds now so we could reduce the number of portallettes that we needed.

Well, I would make a motion to go with the lowest bid portallet. I'll second. All those in favor say I.

Those opposed. Motion carries. Thank you. All right. Animal shelter new director metrics and fundraising. Uh we have new animal shelter director here, Matthew Spear. Um I was able to go to the uh their board meeting and we had discussed about um the probationary period and metrics um andor goals or objectives, however you want to word that for uh Matthew in in his first six months. Um the animal director uh president Kim Henderson and their board had uh given us the commissioners some of their thoughts on metrics and then we had looked at those and kind of um used what they had edited andor added corrected so forth. And at the meeting, I um uh we talked about our additions to those metrics and kind of came up a collaboration and came up with a list. And so I've shared that with you guys. Um there was just a couple of corrections and a typo and edit, but uh for the most part they've all we've kind of agreed on some metrics. So you have those. Um so we'll share that with Matthew on uh what our expectations for the first six months. And then while we were discussing that um it also tal talked about maybe some fundraising and how do we want to approach that and that fundraising was with the uh friends of Decar County Greensburg Animal Shelter. They currently are in a fundraising

effort for a new animal shelter. And so you know how do how do those proceeds look? where do those proceeds go? Um there's been discussion about does it go through the community foundation. So that's a discussion we'd like to have this morning in thoughts. Um Gabe, you have uh used the community foundation for the pool project. You're very familiar with how all that flows. So that was kind of the the impetus for this uh discussion. Yeah, I set up a meeting um for Matthew and I and it's Friday, I think, at two. So just waiting for a confirmation, but we're going to meet with the community foundation and look at trying to set up a a new fund, you know, there um that we could then have. Uh what are the advantages of that?

The donation or the biggest advantage is that it almost every entity or group is set up to donate through the community foundation versus like let's say county RDC or city RDC, anything like that, they have to uh rewrite their ordinance, you know, to be able to uh donate or you know pass funds through to somebody else versus the community foundation. It's a instant a you know so so it's a it's a big benefit. Uh also, you know, oversight, right? It's something that they're they manage a lot of money, right? They manage a lot a lot of money and they manage a lot of projects. So if they're gracious enough to take us on, you know, then I think that's the route to go. There's there's a lot of money that passes in and out of that, you know, building every every month and they do a really good job of facilitating it. I think I think using the foundation is great. I look at what it did like not just for the pool project but for the the fairgrounds project um where donations were directed towards the foundation. I I think it gives a

a heightened level of legitimacy to the fundraising that it's not just going straight into the county's coffers that it's going to this specific fund for this specific purpose and it's not being used for anything else. And we haven't even talked about the benefit of the multiplying interest of that those funds going into that account and then the investment the interest earned on that as well.

So yeah, I I would I would like to see funds that are are generated through the fundraising campaign deposited with the community foundation. The benefit of having the friends of uh involved with this project is there are grants that are available to them that would not be available to us individually. Um so it it is a major benefit of having them involved with the project and they have more resources as far as finding some of these grants as well. But I think you'll be able to help us with that on a a heightened level now. So I I think we'll we'll you know pending your meeting with uh Tammy and Matthew and you know going through that. Yeah. Jennifer Jenny Jenny Hannah.

Right. So yeah we'll see where where that comes out and then we'll we'll proceed from there. Sound good? I like it. Okay. Yep. And you want to say anything or introduce yourself or some get where you're from? What's your what what's your the pledge of allegiance? Hello, I'm Matthew and I'm sorry. I know you Yeah, I know you're new to this, but it's a real problem. People can't hear you, so it's

Hello everybody. I'm Matthew and I uh just moved back here from Colorado. I was previously a kennel technician at the shelter here in Greensburg. I'm excited to be back. Um, a lot of my focus will be on training staff on different things and fundraising for obviously a new shelter building. Um, yeah. So, I'm excited to be here and I'm excited to learn more. And some of the work that you did in Colorado. Yeah. Um, I worked at a rescue as a community engagement manager and I was also the assistant to the executive director at a rescue. So, it's a 501c3 nonprofit. Um, we participated in two capital campaigns. One to expand our shelter and then one to expand our veterary services. So, so I'm ready. little experience in that realm. Yeah. Which is good. Yes. Good. Very good.

Awesome. Thank you guys. Thank you. Brenda, thank you for your intern filling the gap. Um your your willingness to step up and do this. Um be the director during that period has been greatly appreciated. We've had a couple of things going on during that time period. So, you may have bitten off a little bit more than you were planning on showing there at the very beginning, but we're very lucky to have you as We're very appreciative of that. Yeah. Well, thank you. And don't leave. We're not saying it's over. You don't mean you get We still still need you.

All right, moving on to the EMA storage building. Mike, Gary, team effort. So, we brought into you this morning some uh potential layouts or at least some reference for what that new building in perspective may look like on the grounds as where it had been originally proposed at. Um, I believe I'll let Gary speak more to any questions that you would have regarding moving forward with that as this was his project before I got here. So, okay. The one thing we we talked with the sheriff Friday while we was laying this out and they kind of agree this is maybe the best spot we can have it. I agree it's the best spot because adding the sheriff's 24 feet, I'm not sure it will fit where we were originally going to put it because of the electric pole and the electric transformer that's if it does fit, it's going to be right up tight against that other building. Talked to the fire chief. He said that's not a problem. It just it wouldn't even look good. So, I think putting it over here is just the best. It's pretty much the scale. I used the building that was there um to measure it. And um if you think about the new building is twice as wide, over twice as long. So that's the reason it looks pretty huge. There is a fire hydrant and a storm drain where I got the new drain where I got the new driveway going through there, but I think there's enough room that'll go through there. And I think um that because there shouldn't be any heavy trucks using that driveway. It would only be the sheriff when they come over to get commissary stuff. All the heavy trucks should come

in the other driveway. Now, the other thing we talked about is the county may want to cut that off to the lot that it's currently in and add it to the sheriff's lot. Right. I talked to the city about that. They said it's really not a huge deal other than having to go to a couple meetings, you know, to request it. It'd have to be surveyed there. So, the thought process is if we ever moved or didn't use that annex, this would all be attached to the jail jail as a property, right? That's that's what you're thinking, right?

Right. So, if you have to sell the annex for some reason or something down the line, you know, this is already attached to the jail. Okay. Um, we had the prints and everything completed for our other building to get the new prints drawn up, approved by the state and everything. It's another $6,000. That's what I

It was all ready to go well for a while. And then Bill wanted to the sheriff wanted to build a another building. And then we had this proposal. Why don't we make it one, right? So, let's combine this into one. So, I I feel like I'm going to throw this on you, Bill, that like the the $6,000 for the new drawings, do you have money for that to um pay for those new drawings um to expand this building for your size as well? So, answer is no, I do not. Okay. When I was proposing our building, I was proposing jail.

Okay. Okay. Because that's that's what we need to move forward, right? Yes. So we can submit it to the state of Indiana. So if we if we go in and we survey this off onto jail property and it's then attached to your property, do you have the money for it?

Yeah. Ultimately, this saves us money like o overall this agree while we're talking about the 6,000 the the cost of putting two different buildings up and it's going to be substantially more than expanding this one. But we have to get the 6,000 move forward. Um we've stalled this building for how long? Yeah, I'm sure Gary can tell us. About a year and a half. Yeah. So, so we need to move forward. We need to It wasn't all your fault. I mean, the architect kept I know there was some issues back. There were some issues there, but I I I want to

Let's keep moving forward. He did make the comment to me about you're going to get these other buildings built before. Yeah, I would I personally I would just move that we pull from PNI plans and implementation and and get the project going forward. There's I'm okay with that. I was just wanted to uh I know we kind of helped cause this next delay. So I while it's uh still for the betterment of taxpayer dollars to do this now, I I I'm okay with, you know, since we caused this one to So I I would make a motion that we pay for the $6,000 for the architect to make the changes for the building to come from plans and implementation.

I'll second that motion. All those in favor say I. I. Those opposed? Motion carries. I already sent the prince and the scope of work and everything for the change and also I had an email Friday from the tiff board president want to know what's going on. So good. Good. So, who's going to start the organization of looking at reser at getting that surveyed in order to be moved into the sheriff's department's property or the like the jail's jail property?

Well, what we like what we had done with the Yeah. What we had done with the fairgrounds when we surveyed off that portion where the new community buildings at, we had just contacted Andy and I'm just making sure we have a point person on it. Is that I'm I don't because I'm not sure. Is that under his scope of work as a surveyor to just do that for us? So technically the surveyor doesn't actually have to be a surveyor. Um he is a surveyor. Okay. Um we still paid for the survey um for the fairgrounds. But no, it's a it's a separate thing. It's a It's a contracted service

because it is city property. It's county property, but it's in the city. Do we need to contact them? Yeah. Yes. For variance variances and yeah, I I think look through all those might work on that work. Yeah. Why don't I've done it to this point? Sure. Absolutely. I'd appreciate that. Yeah. Thanks, Gary. Yeah, it works. Anything else while you at the podium there, Mike? Yeah, they do. I believe we have the next time. Okay, very good. The county resources request. Yes.

So, at the at the EMA meeting that I was with as well, Mike was um talking about the who's your burn camp has been a long-standing um program they do up near Lafayette. It's not in Lafayette, but uh proximity to uh they have used our ATV the MA's ATV um for a few years and it has one of those medical basket sleds in it. That's the advantage of them using it. But uh the UT the the K Cabota like the UTV or the

the UTV I guess it is. Yeah. So they've they've used that. They've asked us to to deliver it, pick it up, and it's kind of above and beyond our scope of of delivering it up there to Lafayette and picking it up. So, um we've told them you can use that, but we're not picking it up and we're not delivering it. We're we're that's on you if you want to use it. Well, it seems like um every year it's like they they ask and ask and so it came to kind of a suggestion the board the MA board is like I don't know if this is you know surely somebody else has an ATV or UTV in that area they could use versus you know borrowing ours. So that was a question about resources and then um Mike had also asked about uh the choppers for coppers in St. Paul wanted to use our digital signs and so another so we're talking about resources and it's like okay so where do you where do you draw the line on resources the wear and tear on our equipment whatever it is um and although they have the digital signs it's all owned by the county

so I said well may maybe that's something the discussion we would have as commissioners it's under our purview or property um about loaning those things out when it comes to that. Yeah, I personally or uh I personally don't have much appetite to loan our equipment to especially that far. You know, it's it's an out of county I I don't there's got to be folks that are around that area that have the equipment that that's needed. I mean, that's not that uncommon. I mean, almost every single fire department, police, and sheriff's department have UTVs this day and age. And a lot of them have the carriers that are needed. How did that get started? Anybody know?

Rob Duckworth. I remember when it happened. My understanding is when it started. Yeah, I remember that it was it was Dougworth and his affiliation and and then it was a fire department because the burn camp they would ask Greensburg fire department to deliver it and then pick it up and then then the fire department was like, "Wait a minute." Then we started having to pay overtime to get somebody to go up there and pick it up and it's like, "Okay, this is crazy." So that's kind of uh I had said to these guys that um to Mike and Gary that okay, the burn camp is in a couple weeks, right?

Yeah, I've seen it this month. and I said, "Okay, let them use it this year, but going forward, just let them know that from if if it's our discussion that they need to find a new um UTV to use versus using ours." And after the meeting, I did convey that to them. Also, additionally, they did state that they have a insurance writer on all UTVs. I said, "Thanks for I appreciate that." I have not heard back from them since then, but I did relay that information to I didn't want to leave them high and dry this year if they were depending on I get it with it being a few weeks. So this year they're coming down and they're getting it. That's what they were advised. Yes.

If they want it, they're coming down to get it. Okay. Yeah, I'm okay with letting them use it for this year. Um and then we're we're not letting them borrow it again. Okay. So, uh digital signs, other things that like equipment they have and I think people have also asked to use their room. Um we we came across that and they weren't a 501c3 or they weren't a nonprofit. They were making money on some training and they wanted to use the room the large area. It's like you know it's just where where does it end?

Right. What are the digital signs being used for for the choppers for coppers? I believe they were used to uh this year the plan was to uh assist with their parking situation up there to designate that with how the flight they had loosely mentioned about having parking in a separate area and one of those signs would be go to that. Um, they had typically requested two of the pullbehind signs and I said, I how about if allowed to do this, you only take one of those because I really want one of them at the office if there's a event that would need it. Right. Right. I said, but we have standalone signs that if approved, you could use one of those to supplement in place. It's just not extremely mobile. It's portable but you know trying to strike a happy medium there but also that was all pending of what uh you decide out of today as well.

They have right and if it's used in a way that benefits public safety that's what they're designed for right yeah that's exactly what I was thinking because like you go to a Colts game or something like that there are those signs out there directing traffic to ensure that there is good flow or that people are parking in the correct place. so that you minimize a negative impact on traffic flow. I do get a little bit uncomfortable just giving them to somebody. It'd be different if we set them up and, you know, again, there was a public benefit or we're worried about traffic or worried about, you know, there being an accident. I mean, you guys use them for that type of thing, you know, frequently. So,

so my question then, if we allow then they have to have some kind of a a insurance or some way to um they're towing that thing and and it it's damaged or whatever. Do they have a coverage insurance coverage liability for that to replace it if they damage it? I I would think so for our safety or and or I don't know. I still come back to that's not something we want to be loaning out. I know they're kind of they're expensive and they're and they're very important. Yeah. You know, the there's times where popup we need them, you know, and I understand your point of making sure we want one back there, but I

and I don't know loaning things out like that and they get damaged and who's responsible. I I think that's where it comes back to what you had said, Gabe, is that we're the ones actually towing it there because I think you do have I don't know how many how many Jeeps and motorcycles and everything else they have in this. I mean, they ride by my house every year and it is massive. So, it is a lot of people. So, I do see especially, you know, here in Decar County that if everybody is converging on St. Paul, um that there is a need for directing people to a specific location. So, I do see the public safety side of it for this. Um, on a general like general event of just throwing these signs out, no. But given the number of people that are coming into the area, I can see that there is a public safety perspective to this. But my preference would be is that a representative, not a representative, a a county employee is actually the one that is transporting it and setting it up. Is that something that you guys have time?

Yeah. Last year what we did was Gary and I took them up there and kind of set them up in the general location. I think they may have moved it few feet, but you know, at that point just kind of push it. they didn't have to really hook it back up. But, um, yeah, that's something that we would do through the week if it's for the purpose of traffic and public safety and and that I'm okay with if you guys have the time to do it. Yeah.

Is it It taxes your resources as well, doesn't it? Yeah. Okay, good. Good. Well, that's good. Extra good information. You know, I'm okay with loaning it. It it it was just more I think over an overall like our resources and how do we move forward with not maybe this specifically, but as as we're looking at resources because I think you you get approached a few times of people wanting to use your stuff,

right? And it's like where do where does that do we just give Mike like cart blump Mike you you you proceed with how you feel or do does it come before us? How does that work? I think you know a lot of the discretion you two I mean with what feels right and you know you also have a good sense of we need we need the equipment too. Right. Right. So, and I know another popular resource is the use of our VHF uh radios that a lot of different organizations use and we have those. Uh we're pretty free about loaning those out, especially now that I've got the proper frequency set in that for public use as opposed to

found out that they were public safety frequencies and have that more legally compliant with should be utilized. So, we're pretty usually free about, okay, yeah, sure, you can have these. They're public frequencies anyway. But we've had pretty good luck with all that not being damaged and coming back fine. I think the general starting position is we don't loan things out that's county property. In situations like the choppers for coppers, we have a public safety element to it. Um, I think that one's looked as we're loaning it out, but really we're doing traffic control and stuff that we already do with them. Yes.

So, that's that I think is the general inclination. I think if it is going to a private event, there should be some type of insurance that covers that item being there. Um, yeah, because I I just something will happen at some point. We've done the same thing at the fairgrounds where we eliminated the use of the tractor and um the maintainer down at the the horse track and down or down at the horse arena and also at the track uh because we don't want private individuals coming in and using county property and either breaking something or somebody getting hurt and then the county's liable. Right.

Do we need a motion on that or just um as is? as is. Yeah, it's their public. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you guys. Anything else, gentlemen? I do not. I do not. Okay. Brian, do you have any update from EDC? Sure.

Really quick, biggest update would be the uh ready funds uh for the blight removal uh 2.9 million in addition to what we had received previously. drawing a blank. I had it down here organized. I am um the uh uh wanted to thank Mike for meeting with the local industries. We had a a meeting uh talking about uh weather related events, how those decisions are are made in his office and he mostly just blamed you guys. So, uh he said he didn't want to have one of those again.

Yeah. was but uh but but it was good to have the coordination between the local industries to know how those decisions are made. Uh and then he I think he walked away with a better idea of when those when their shift changes when when they need to know. So they're just better coordination in general. Um so I appreciate his time and and organiz helping to organize organize that. And then uh really the last last month has been kind of dealing with tax abatements. Everybody has the reporting in. So, um, one note, the city is reviewing their tax abatement guidelines. And I want to want to say that the county really doesn't have any written guidelines for their, uh, tax abatement uh, evaluations for their applications, the SP1s. Something you guys might think about. Uh, and I'd be glad to share the cities with you guys if you want to want to do that. Especially under SP1, there's going to be some changes surrounding personal property tax abatements. So,

all right. Thank you. Thank you, Brian. Chris, anything from the parks department? All right, Don.

Morning. Um, we do have our leaders and loggers, our annual or excuse me, our monthly meeting tomorrow that is from 4 to 6, three keynote speakers. So, we're super excited about the lineup for this year. Um, we did just get a report from Rolley Jobs, which is through that website, um, that's linked on our GDC chamber website. So, as long as a a GDC chamber member has their openings posted on their website, really should be able to scrape that information and get it onto that resource. So, um, another great benefit. Um, and then we did just hit our 400th member over the weekend. So, we're super excited about the growth that we're seeing there. So,

any questions for me? Okay, thank you Janet.

Uh just to give you an update on the elections. We were able to the county election board certified the votes on Friday at our meeting. So those um those all the turnout was great. Um, as far as um the new the new machines that we have and the new pull pads, they worked great. I wanted to do a special thank you to my election deputy, Patricia Luigi. She each year like it just runs smoother and smoother. It made several comments to that fact as well. Um, so I'm just really pleased how everything went so smoothly. also to all of my deputy clerks. We did have three of my workers like had to actually work at the polls because of our um people that like last minute couldn't make it to work um at the polls. So, they were able to step in and that also did really help. Election board is trying to make some changes um as far as we do have a couple vote centers that we're not going to utilize anymore. So, we'll get that notice out to the public before the general election and that will help with funding as well um to cut back a little bit. And then also thank special thank you to Mike Snder and Charlie Davis. They really really stepped up and helped us get everything set up and were there for anything that we needed as as well as it. So, I just wanted to say thank you. Everything went really great this year. So,

so it was lets and there was one here in Greensburg for First Christian Church. First Christian church. Were those just the lowest? Uh those were the lowest. Um the turnouts. Yes. And then also um we have issues with like connection um for the internet, that kind of thing. Just at less um and turnout as far as workers. Okay. We have issues with that as well. So we do still have you know the surrounding Milhouse and Westport. Those are all still that those will not change. We'll keep those. Um we have several in town as well. So we really didn't need to utilize First Christian Church as well. So it makes sense a little consolidation when we went to vote center voting centers. Yes,

the vote centers have been huge for us. It's it's been amazing. So it's cut down on calls as far as people last minute calling. Why can't you know where are we supposed to vote out if we can't vote here? And then they don't have time, you know, time to make it across the county or anything like that. Okay. Yep. It's been great. Otherwise, everything's good. We're getting ready to go to summer conference here in a couple weeks and it's going great. All right. Thank you for all your hard work both of you. Sheriff, anything? All right. Very good. Leanne, anything from communications? No. No. Anything from the auditor's office?

Um, we are going to conference in the morning. They've changed our dates. So we will be gone Tuesday morning through we will be back Friday day all day for work. Um there will be a couple in the office so limited limited services. Okay. All right. Very good. Anything else? Nope. Very good. I would entertain a motion to recess then. So moved. We are recessed. Thanks everyone.