County Council - Regular Meeting

that back in. Whatever is the most convenient way for the auditor's office to do it, I don't care. But I just think that we need to zero that out and put it back in county general. So with those changes, instead of this being 11.4, we would be up to 14.4, which is almost what we were at last year. So given that they're showing an $800,000 li $800,000 decrease in revenue, if we have to beef up or or use more of this uh extra balance that we're carrying in order to complete our budget. I can live with that. You feel that way or do you have a problem with that?

How you doing? I don't have a whole lot of choice. I don't think we like you. How you doing? Good to see you, son. [Music] So, how was what was Alabama? Oh, it was great. Golf of America. Oh gosh. I think that is so silly. It is. When we signed up, when we signed up to go, it was Gulf of Mexico. Then when he changed it, I was like, "Rock on. Gulf of America, baby." Yeah. You know, as a kid, we went to the Gulf of Mexico all the time cuz where I grew up, it was only like 40 minutes to the Gulf. Yeah. Yeah. Holly Beach is not Fort Meers where I mean, it's

it's not the same kind of beach. But anyway, as kids, we thought it was pretty cool because there were waves and seashells and stuff like that. I just finished uh listening to the Brian Kilme's book on Andrew Jackson and the Battle of New Orleans. That's pretty interesting. Have you ever been to New Orleans? Um, yeah. I was there once and it's it's a lot of fun. It And it can be as trashy or as classy or anything in between that you want. Well, I had a little bit too much fun. Let's just I was there on official business, but but the official phone. Yeah.

My husband says he never wants to go back to Louisiana in his home. Oh my gosh. He he went for work and he said, "I was so upset because people move so slow," he said. And I was there for a day or two and I know why they move so slow. So darn hot is what he said. Hot and humid. Yeah. But you'll never find, you know, better food and more fun. Yeah.

And we've we've been, of course, a million times. But one time when Gary and I went, just the two of us, we stayed in this little place in the fresh quarter where we typically stayed. And it was Sunday morning. We woke up late and got a quick cup of coffee and went to St. Louis Cathedral for mass and the there was all these bishops and stuff. I don't remember what it even was. The New Orleans Symphony was there. I mean, it was like wow. And then you're only like another block to coffee demon so you can have sugar biscuits. I had them in beignet. Those were good. Good. I mean, it was gone last week, right? It was high

and uh I couldn't imagine not being around That one vacation go with you? Yes. My youngest turns 25 today. Oh my goodness.

Go quick, don't it? That's good. How many found out?

Really? They already got the orange house. She's at the house this weekend. I can't wait. Really? I mean, my kids ain't ready, but I am. Well, they got to be ready. Yeah. Well, they're married now. So, both of them. Both of them. Are you sir? So, I think you know they won't each wait a couple years get settled around here. One live Andy and the other lives in Westchester right now, but I think they're moving back. What are you trying to say? You look better in the field

than how's it going? I mean that's the one the baby [Music] I think

how you doing you doing buddy some Doug here. This your first week for Yeah. Hopefully it goes

on the way down. tripped over your head yesterday. So if I told him he said he goes you guys want to go just let him know I I'll see what Liz thinks whether today or tomorrow. I thought we have a couple

we might get drug tested or something. Oh yeah, buddy. How are you today? Good. How you done? Sure. This is the first time. Yeah.

And there's going to be six or seven. So what they say? and everything. Just got to make sure I see tomorrow morning. I don't know if I feel like how I am.

from Chicago, you know what I mean? Like you're stuff you don't know one of those things. deal.

Yeah. [Music] What are you putting on? Um I got from the doctor. Oh, they're having a policorn on this. Yes, that's what I'll try that if this doesn't work.

Boy, Pete was trying to get hit this morning. He was out there mowing and weed eating during school traffic. Get a sign from standing in the back beeping and I'm and he's walking towards me and I'm going and he said, "Did you not hear that?" He goes, "I just didn't think it was funny." I said, "You're lying." Does he need a sign from the top? Yeah. Crazy old man lives here. Slow down. I get that every night when I got the TV on it.

Good morning everybody. It's nine o'clock. So, we want to try to get started on time. I'd like to preface this by saying that we're very close to the end of this process. We want to do it right and do it well. I think if we stay focused today, we've got two members who cannot make it tomorrow. So, it would be to everyone's advantage if we can finalize the budget by the end of the day. So, let's get started with the judges circuit judge and location 25.

Morning. morning. The only thing I asked for was an increase in part-time wages. And um the reason for that is I believe one of well one of my uh under court services staff, one of my employees will be retiring and coming back part-time and that's ultimately to phase that out. So that my goal with uh with the juvenile with the jury system that I asked to fund that hasn't been implemented yet but should be implemented by the first of next year. I think I can operate on a reduced I don't think I'm my intention is not to replace that person which would save a um I do need to increase the salary of the people around me with that pot of money but it would save the perf it would save the benefits package specifically the very um nice uh

healthcare healthcare package that is obviously very expensive. So that we would lose that. So ultimately it saves it's a $20,000 increase which is about equal to what the um which is about equal to what the insurance would be because it's a single insurance. But um and that's the only thing that's changed. Everything else is the same. Okay. Is Ohio County still paying their one-third? Yes. Okay.

And um I got to get have that number. So my budget meeting with them is next Friday. So if I could have that number because sometimes we it's close. We won't have that number. All right. If we could have the number what the one-ird is so I can go back and tell them. And I mean I am that person is going part-time. So that that insurance will drop off. Um, but my intention would be she's going to come back part-time so I can phase phase out that position.

We much prefer port part-time than fulltime or or overtime. But everything else is the same. So we would move those last two items to CCD. Is there anything else on location 25 for anybody? Okay. Then your next item is fun to probation or 34 circuit probation.

So we made very few changes in probation. Um, in fact, we reduced we reduced our budget request from last year by almost $19,000 because of uh longevity, departure of longtime employees and being replaced at lower salaries and losing. Jenny Benson was the last employee to receive longevity pay. So the overall request in the general budget is a 19,000 reduction. Yeah. Where's the 19,000 at?

It's it's 8,000. The 627 to 619, judge. Is that what you're talking about? That reduction? Well, if you're looking at location 34 in county general, the reduction is 8,000. The uh my notes from Bill says the overall budget request from county general for 2006 has decreased from 2025 due to salary adjustments after the departures of Haley Comr and Jenny Benson. Jenny Benson was the last employee to receive longevity pay. The overall decrease is approximately $19,15. We back on location 25.

Yeah. Now, there was a 5% increase was requested and that staff, but we always know that would be whatever and I've told everybody to expect no cola increase this year. But, um, so if we backed out 5% that's in here, maybe that would get you to your 19% that you're talking about 19,000 or 19,000. You know what I'm saying? He's got 5% in here still. I did have to call him about some math. So, math wasn't that. So that could be that's on a show. I've been just representing no daggers towards you. Huh?

I'm I'm quoting Bill, but if you're ever in court when we're trying to figure out child support, I'm frequently asking how many lawyers does it take to figure out how to add because we'll all be sitting there scratching our head and sometimes still get it wrong. Um, in the adult probation service fund 21102, um, the supplements, some were changed, I guess, but we did ask for an increase from 2500 to 6,000 for firearms. Um, what item does that?

I find it. You did say firearms. Firearms. Yes. Uh 25. It's um this is in the users fees fund, I believe. Probation services fund. Um 25,000. My number says fund 12. Beautiful. Which fund number? Which fun number? racial services. That's what she said. Who? Oh, 21102.

And which where is it? I'm sorry. 212 in there. 21102. Yeah, that's I'm sorry. So, or uniforms. Uniforms, but it's guns. That's guns. No, the 2500 is what we've had for uniforms. The increases to pay for guns. There's no increase though. It's the same as last year. It's 2500 last year and 2500 this year. This is what I thought.

I think he he was trying to total all of his sections and that's what I was like your your math wasn't enough. But no, he left it at 25. I can show you. My bad. Well, you caught Leah on one. That's pretty good. Judge the fact that Bill is that in uniforms? Is it 2500? So be the 2500 plus how much for the guns?

6,000. But it's it's 3,500 more. Okay. So a total total 3630 and that's fund that's fun an increase of 35. So, it's fund number 21102 and the item is 2500 uniforms going from 2500 to 6,000. And we are we allowed to do that? Yes. Thanks for advertising. Okay. So, I'm I'm assuming the county owns those firearms and they're they take them home or they stay here.

No, they meant to take them home. You have a secure place to keep them? Uh he's taken care of all that and everyone would have to get trained before they got one. Okay. Does anyone have any questions about that? I'd like to go back to your secret uh court budget itself. So the 5% raises if we would like note that those two items that have the 5% would be subject to whatever council approves for them. Correct. And then the raises that were required by state. So was that it was a no raises?

No, no, no. The it says for probation officer 2, it's 11041 salary raised per state. So there there was no increase in a little bit down. It went down. Turnover there. There should be no increase. Okay. So we're good. We're good with circuit um circuit court budget itself location 20. So any questions about 30 location 34 adult you're not that you're 34. Yeah, there is find 215. Any questions is the same as last year's.

I'm good.

Is everyone good with Okay. Yep. So next you're in a few house. Okay. So location 32 would be next at juvenile center. All right. So the the big item is we've asked for additional um full-time positions and um the reason for that is the problem we're having with part-time staff is um part-time staff is not as dependable. So we don't we don't schedule access. So like if someone calls off then someone has to be found to come in and part-time employees are not as dependable. I mean, I think you saw in our additional that we have to ask for more part-time money, but we're having trouble keeping part-time staff. Um, and then when we have some good part-time staff, uh, it would be beneficial to have them move to full-time. So any help there would be greatly appreciated because the a and with the additional with the basically the opening up of the juvenile center that's generated approximately a half million dollars to the in revenue with with that um that puts additional strains on on the staff overall. So it's kind of like um the busy season all the time,

right? So like you can sustain that um with part-time and overtime, but eventually you can't sustain part-time and overtime continually. So the idea would be if we if we had uh full-time youth attendance, we could promote good part-time employees to a full-time position and therefore keep them and also reduce I mean I would anticipate this would reduce our part-time cost which um has gotten higher to cover. Um and that that's been the problem. Like we experimented to see how much we could push things with part-time. And the problem we found is um you can get some part-time employees to stick it out, but some a lot of part-time employees eventually want to be full-time and if you don't give them full-time, they're going to go elsewhere. And so then we we have turnover in that area. So to address that, um, if we could get a additional full-time staff, that would be appreciated.

In this budget, you also got a additional 70,000 from last year in part-time. Well, that's because we asked for what we spent this year, but you're saying if you But so yeah, so

you got a total of 20 24%. If we got Well, I don't know if you're going to if you don't give the full-time, I'm going to need the part-time. If you give us a full-time, then reduce the part-time is what I would say. I wouldn't I'm not asking for both. Um, so I just increased it because we came back for an additional and you know, I know things are tight. There's no guarantees on the full-time staff, but it is difficult to maintain uh what we've been doing with with the current staff with the current full-time staff in addition with full-time.

So, in January of this year, your average daily population was 4.7. The same number was given for February. In March, it was 12.1. And that's where you run into trouble because anything over eight changes the staffing ratios. and in April you had 8.3. So the study that was done in 2019 said that um this was something that was commissioned for uh Durham County Juvenile Center and the recommendation was that during the position on a on a ratio of one adult per eight youth from 6:00 to 6:00 p.m. the staff center would be one youth attended, one shift supervisor in addition to programming staff. And then from 6:00 p p.m. to 6:00 a.m. the center would have one youth attendant and one supervisor for each eight juveniles in the center. So once you go over eight, that's where that's where we bleed start bleeding money for full-time possessions.

Well, if if we brought in a half a million dollars, I wouldn't say we're bleeding money. I mean that the I'm not asking for I'm not asking for three full-time I'm not asking for money to eat that up. I'm asking for one or two full-time positions to help maintain I mean we we try to schedule the I mean the population you're talking about average populations but it doesn't look like that

in reality right an average is an average so I mean we we could have and frequently have had more than 10 uh for some time and we've had people paying $300 $100 a day at that rate. I mean, that's how we've gotten a half a million dollars. I didn't and I didn't ask for any increase in anything to generate that money that never been generated before. So, my point is um that we can't in as an experiment, right, to see what that did and to see what we could maintain. What we found, the idea was, let's have part-time staff and see how far we can push the envelope on part-time and overtime. And what we found over the course of the time is that we it is harder to maintain part-time positions and they're not dependable. So, they're not as dependable. So, because they don't have as much at stake, a full-time person is not going to call off all the time. Well, although we have to get rid of someone who both full time and calling off all the time, but um might have to take that. Um but a full-time position is is more accountable. A part-time position, because it's part-time, they they can leave. And so we don't overchedu. We we don't like schedule case someone calls up like you know some businesses do that. We don't schedule in case someone we scheduled the bare minimum on every shift. And so if someone calls off we have someone else has to come in. And um and you know sometimes that's our executive director, sometimes that's you

know Beth, it can be anybody but then we have to bring someone else in when someone calls up this in addition of the full-time employee would um allow us the flexibility to make to keep the good part-time employees that we bring on and allow us to maintain the current um populations that we've had because eventually you it it eventually the working at 110% eventually wears down like you got to have a release valve somewhere and so that's I mean that's the that's the justification for the request.

So obviously it would cut down on your part-time wages, right? Yes. And over and overtime I believe so. Yes. How much would you reduce those? They're both at 100,000 in here.

Uh I would say I mean reducing to down to 50 each, maybe even lower. I mean if it doesn't work, we'll come back. I mean the only way I'm going to know is if we do it, right? I mean I can't tell you I can't exactly predict the future, right? So if we you're struggling with Senate Bill one. So I understand that our person is telling us that our revenue not is not in be flat. We're going to lose about 800,000 a year.

So that's it's a it's a really bad 2016 is a really bad year. And uh which is why and and I understand it which is why I told all my employees not to expect a raise because I I knew because of Senate Bill one that we were in in dire strait. Um do you have any idea from um like the inmates or the juveniles that you're taking in from out of county? these other counties are going to have trouble paying that1 175 or $300 $300 a day uh per damn I would think but they've got to place these kids somewhere. They have to put the kids somewhere.

Look, I mean you got to understand I mean there's a much bigger problem is people aren't detaining pe kids who they need to detain. I mean, I was at a conference where a judge was discussing whether she could dain to someone who had dealt fentanyl with a weapon. Now, here that person's getting waved to adult court. They're, you know, they're not even considering detaining them. So, in Indiana, yeah, I could that we could get of the juvenile center. It's uh 20

20, but 20, if we're at 20, we're I mean, it's I mean, 20 is every bed, including the three beds that are basically used to watch. They're like camera beds. They're not padded, but they're they're for people who are losing it. You probably know what's going on in the state with this, but Councilman Baker brought something up the other day about like the counties that expect us to house their people and they they're only paying when the people are here, right? Explain what you explained the other day, uh, Doug, because you can do it better than me, but

Well, Aaron might be familiar with it. Uh, back when I was in a high county, of course, we didn't have a jail and, uh, we either brought him to Darren County or took them to Switzerland County. Switzerland County did an addition to their jail and uh they entered into a contract with a high county that we would pay for 10 beds whether we had 10 prisoners or not. That's is there anything that we could do with each these other counties that

Well, I mean there there are I mean long term I I that's what I would like to be able to do which is why I've tried to change the services that are provided at the juvenile center. It's why we switched from being like a babysitter service to programming to making the kids do stuff. I mean there's a greenhouse over there. um the kids um and we get wave kids who are problems everywhere else who behave pretty well here. Part of it they're out of their element and part of it is there's so much structure and so much going on that um that I mean all that we're getting benefits from. I'm working on getting uh uh some revenue from the state to fund a counseling service um for juveniles from out of state, out of the county so that that's an extra service. What I'm trying to build is something where people want to send their kids to so that we could start having their discussions because if they find it's a regular but I think a lot of the counties are looking at they don't want the fixed cost because then they feel the need to fill it. Um and there's a push to not detain juveniles. I mean the state is constantly pushing not detaining juveniles. Now, I would argue that some of that in larger jurisdictions is why you have a lot more crime. Now, we have not detained. We did change our policies. We stopped detaining. And if you notice, I did reduce the number of different county um children that were being detained based on creating other programs to put those children into to have a consequence. For example, we used to

detain on um marijuana vape possession, which is probably the would you say, D, you know, the most frequent juvenile? Yes. Yeah. We detained them if they were found to be in possession with it at school.

We stopped that and changed it for the community service project um that involved cleaning up dog poop at the at Lawrenburg. So no one no one there was no badge of honor out of that. It created the disincentive and and got rid of the need to detain but still recognize this as a serious situation and and that has has opened up the ability to generate the revenue that it has. Um so even even we're looking at ways to reduce the need for detention but at the end of the day it is a huge benefit to the community to have this service and I think I think all of you understand that but we're really have have have made dramatic changes to it and as I've said we've generated a lot of revenue out of it and um That's just a problem we're having with the lack of a full-time position. Um,

are the are the juveniles that are coming here from other counties, uh, are there offenses more significant? Well, it depends. I mean, uh, I mean, we've we we had two wave kids ourselves in there. I mean, we we've had what, three this past year. We've had three waved kids ourselves. What What's that mean? Wave means they committed an offense that was serious enough and their age was enough that they were waved to adult court. If you're under 18, they can't go into

So, the law is that any child under 18 cannot be in an adult facility. That didn't used to be the case. If you got waved to adult court, you could go to adult facility, but and I think this is a federal requirement. Um, that's no longer the case. It's why Haw County had to build a new uh jail down there or build a jail or they're not calling it a jail, but if you go see it, it's a small jail. Um, the and the reason for that is the need to um uh to protect the juveniles. like the juveniles can't see an adult like there it's got to be sight sound um protection from an adult inmate seeing a juvenile and that's federal law. So even so the wave kids that's why we can charge a premium because there's no place to place a wave kid because you can't put them in adult jail but you got to detain them. They've been waved to adult court so they're clearly at risk. Can't really let them go out on bond. You can, but so a lot of those people are detained.

So Dan, those fees are 300 today instead of ones that that's why you see a lot of that when you watch the news, they have these young kids, right? 100 like Cincinnati. Right. Right. And so we get old, you know, we get a lot of people from Typic County, which is, you know, where Purdue is, but it's a large, they got gang problems there. Um and and we get some of their wave kids who are involved in gangs.

Um we of course don't have a gang problem, but we had three people who were Durban County residents who were waved to adult court this last year and they had to sit there till they turned 18. No, I think they're all gone now. But um so those are all serious offenses. So it just varies. I mean you you and and sometimes a detention and you know there's a lot of mental health issues going on and we've had to restrict the type some of the types of people that we can take because we we don't have the resources to handle some of the very high mental health needs that some of these places have. But um you know we've had 33 counties use our facility. Um, so it's a good portion of the state recognizing that we do pretty good work here.

Well, I stating the obvious here. First of all, commend you for the work that you've done. We know when you came into the role of judge, we all expressed concerns about this department. Um, but also recognizing how important it is. We realize that not every county has this. It's important to Dearborn County. We want to keep investing in this. We want to walk that fine balance of making sure this is something available for the citizens of Dearborn County as a priority over other counties. You've done a tremendous job on one side of the balance sheet of of getting your revenues up, which is helpful to offsetting this operation. And we just want to try to help manage both the expense side and and see where those critical marks are. I mean, we know you have your ratios that you have to maintain. We want to try to set you up for success with that. I assume an intake officer and an attendant and a supervisor all count towards those ratios. But are there critical mass where we want to say we don't want to go over 16 because that's the 8:1 times two ratio and we don't want really to go above 16. So let's commit to that and if anybody from outside of Newark County comes beyond 16. The answer right now is no. Um, we want to try to help you on the negotiating anything you can on the revenue side. Like like Doug said, availability fee, not unlike if if a gas line goes in front of your house, you don't have to hook up, but there's still a minimal fee to say, "Yeah, that's available to you that you have access to it. These 33 counties who've taken advantage of this services or a way we could have some kind of uh revenue generated to say, "Yeah, we recognize the importance. We recognize your county can't afford this. We want to make it available to you. You got to help us offset our expenses." But um everything that you can do, we realize that you there's not these people in a closet that you just pull up and say, "Okay, all of a sudden we have 17 people." So I have another youth attendant. And it it doesn't work like that. You try to supplement with your part-time. And I think everybody on this council appreciates what you're doing there. That's why on Monday when you had an additional for some of your programming that that went through and everybody supported it and we were happy

to do that because we realize how important this is. We just want to make sure that we're using Dearborn County tax dollars to take care of Dearborn County residents as much as possible. Sure. And taking advantage and utilizing the folks from outside of the county to help make our balance sheet look look better and and make the financials work out. But you've made both in the programming and the financials, in my opinion, tremendous strides in the last couple years to making the numbers balance more. They still aren't going to balance, but services don't always balance, right? when you provide a service, there's a cost to it, right? We're just trying to get that those numbers in as line as possible.

Well, I think what I would say is the overall cost of the county for the service has been reduced because of the revenue. Even even if even if we get some of this, it's still a reduction because I don't intend on um cutting back. What were we bringing in previously? Nothing. Very little. 100,000 maybe. I would say the thing that I do like that I see that's a lot different is there's a lot more structure and a lot more programming because those kids are there 24 however long they're going to be there but instead of just playing video games or whatever they're actually getting some instructional or some even things like music and art or positive outlets we have

so yes thank you Adam is doesn't he volunteer his oh it's David Clay somebody volunteers their time We get a lot of support from the community um with these programs. We got a lot of people working with these juveniles and a lot of people very committed. A lot of religious groups, Young Life. Um we have Catholic groups come in. Uh so we have I mean the programming element has has improved significantly. Um, so you're not just warehousing

and and that was that was very important to me that to see that change coming in and and we've been learning from that and seeing what else we can do and um and and I we were able to do most of that with I mean even though that was an increase you have to remember that that position with with uh was a paid position ition with full benefits. So that mean what what that's currently paying is about what that costs at the time. So even though we've increased all that, I didn't actually increase the cost be because we were paying that with a full-time employee before.

Yeah.

And so so I I have tried to do this as coste effectively as possible. And I'm just and I know I I didn't want to come in and ask after Senate one passed for a full-time position because I knew the position you guys were in. I'm just, you know, just telling you that it is it is becoming difficult to maintain the part-time and overtime because it's like it's like it always being ski season or always being Christmas, right? and and having that relief of um a full-time employee would help us um reduce that. And my hope would be it would be significant until we have the position. I can't say what it would look like. Um

as far as our guest problem at the juvenile center, are are they are they knocking on our door to to come here? or we do we reach out to them or cuz cuz what I'm hearing here if if I'm understanding right it's the best scenario for us is to either have eight people there or 16 people there. Is that right? And that balances the that balances the the uh I don't I don't know that I I don't know that that's because that looks that looks good on paper, but I don't know if that's realistic cuz if we have eight people

if we if we have eight people cuz it's not it's not just those numbers like there is the fixed cost like you have to have so many people there and you have eight people but if I have someone come in right who has committed a serious offense or at night, right? And and I I mean that it's like it would be like not having that availability cuz we always have the cushion. We don't ever build a 20. So I always got the cushion of one or two. If we have if we have eight as the cap and we just say, "Okay,

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying uh as far as revenue versus expenditures, okay, it's ideal to have either eight or 16 cuz once you get above eight, then you have to add people in the center, right? I'm not saying cut it off at eight. I'm just saying I think that's I think that's how it works. I mean, realistically, we're full at 16, right? I mean, but we can take for a little bit over, right? But I can't I can't start taking 20. Like I mean if I took if we got to 20 we'd have we'd be looking

I'd be going to Josh and saying who can we get rid of who do we need to call right because we can't sustain that but we haven't gotten there. We've been you know we pretty much at at 15 say okay we're very very selective about who we take and are really only taking different county residents at that point. judge it. And so we I mean it's easy for us to look at a metric like average daily population is 12. Okay, great. But does that mean does that mean there was 50 kids come in and 50 kids you know what I mean? How what on the jail side we get a report that says here's how many have come in and here's how many have gone out. How many kids are coming through the the system in a in a month? Um that's a I mean it varies. I mean, I can have some people there for a while and wave people are there for a long time, right? And then some people are there

in and out like a weekend. It varies dramatically from the length of time. It's not like so adult population is a little more stable, right? Because if it if they're going to get out, they're getting out in a couple days. They're posting bond, right? But when you're dealing with a juvenile population, it's a lot more sporadic, right? And and all these counties are looking at the same thing because it's all costing them money, right? And they all we're all in the same boat. And so they're all saying, "Okay, how quick can I get this person out of here?" So is there a is there a recetivism measurement that we do for the juveniles or

are you feel like you're seeing kids come back less because of programming or Well, we haven't had it in place long enough I think to have any good data. What I will say is that we recently became a county the juvenile u detention alternatives a JDI county. We recently went ahead and did that program because we were doing everything that that program was doing and I thought we might as well get the accreditation

get the accreditation for it and and some money and the ability to get money um more easily from the state. So by doing that, I think the biggest proponent of that is data. And so we're starting to be able to submit our data and getting and into their system because they want to keep track of it as a as a metric. So I think our data will improve and also um I mean Liz is on JRack and the JRAK thing is about getting data and reliable data in the adult side and we're trying to do the same on the juvenile side. So I think in the future we'll be able to point to something more specific. Right now I just don't have enough to know. What I can say is anecdotally when I've had children who spent a pretty good lick of time in the juvenile center and they come to their final hearing or whatever, they're they're wellmannered. They're polite. They have good um ideas about what they're going to do coming out. Now, I'm not going to say they follow through when they get out. I mean, some do and some don't. But I am going to say that I have been impressed by their presentation um to me and I think that's in large part due to the programming that's going on. Um but I don't have I don't feel confident saying I can specifically point to um reductions. I do feel you know from anecdotal it it it looks it looks like that's what we're seeing but I don't have enough. I hope to have, you know, in a couple years I can say, "Yeah, here's was our numbers for 2000." You know, I hope to be able to point to that.

You mentioned that there was 33 counties that send people here. Do they also uh send use some of those counties send them to other places as well? Yeah. I mean they I mean look for so if you're we've gotten people I mean all across the state but so if you're a juvenile judge and you got to detain someone if you can detain them closer you're going to detain them closer but if you look at a map you take the southeast corner and I'm talking a huge chunk it's us and Clark Clarksville

right or whatever that town down there is Jeffersonville whatever it's us and Jeffersonville So Clark County and us have the only facility. So they some counties look and take Clark County.

The reason I asked that is is if say we get like eight people were running smooth and then all of a sudden we get 10. I mean do we send an email to these 33 counties and say hey we have four beds available. Then we max I mean from a business standpoint we're going to maximize our income by utilizing the same amount of people. You see what I'm saying? I don't know if that would make sense or not. I feel like we get a lot of requests. I mean, the only marketing I did was I went to a conference and said Dar County is open for business. You got we we were actually having a discussion about beds and I said I got beds available. And that was where we saw a dramatic change. Um you got to remind people and I can send emails and

and do it when it's advantageous to us if we want if we want them there or if we're getting close to send anything and I think that's a really good idea. I would agree that looking for opportunities when our population is down um to add would be good. The other thing I was going to say, so you you kind of want to do an experiment here to see if this works out. Yeah. And hiring full-time people is, you know, you're kind of committed to it. So, would what if we did what if we committed to hiring one full-time person, cutting the uh the overtime and uh and uh part-time back and experiment with it, and then if you needed additional overtime or something, we could do an

I think I think that would be a good idea. I mean, I I mean, I I think that would be a good idea to to see where we're to see where the line that that way we're not making an over commitment going. No, I don't and I I agree with that. I think I think that would be a good way to handle it. So, and if we do that scenario, we be approving one new position, reducing your uh part-time from 100 to 50,000 and reducing your overtime from 100 to 30,000. Yeah. Yeah. And then then we'll see how what it seems at.

Is everyone in agreement with that? And judge, you said you had another position that you thought was going to be vacated or potentially could be vacated soon. Do you have any applicants or anybody in the pipeline yet to fill that spot and this new spot next year when it's funded? Are you talking about in the circuit court? I think he was talking about circuit court on the other. No, you show a vacancy in juvenile center currently. I think they just hire someone. Okay. Sorry. Didn't we just fill that vacant? Do you have no vacuum? We always have part time. This is I have to pick this issue. Are you good?

I think we're Well, just take your call and then we'll finish up. All right. Because there are a couple things in partition. So, judge on uh 33114 educational services, you had last year we approved 75,000. You had an additional the other day for 20,000

which would bring that to 95 and you're asking for 102. I thought the additional brought it to 102. No, no, no. The additional brought it to 95. 25. Well, this 102 is what we need to cover that um consistently through the year. Um true.

And again, I I don't think that's really a an increase based on how much money was actually going out because there's no there's no that's a contract position. It's a contract service. And basically, I've included the increase isn't an increase in paying people more. the increase is the difficulty in administering some of the stuff that was being provided through that service through reimbursement. And so it just it from an administrative point of view became easier for the hopes and habits to just have this amount of money and then take care of the stuff they used to be sending for reimbursement. That's different program.

It's not really Yeah. And so it's not really a ra it's not really it is not a raise in the rate of what we're paying them. It is an increase to cover all the cost with that. So there's not it basically catches everything. So we're not like okay here's here's for the services and here's your reimburseables. It's all in one pile. It's all one pile. Okay. And then we did approve the washer and dryer the other day and then the audio visual. We'll move that to CCD. Does anyone have any other questions for the judge? Anybody else? I'm good. All right. Have a good rest of your All right. Thank you very much.

Thanks, judge. Thanks, guys. Ladies, sorry. Okay. Next, we have highway. I'm sorry. We have Cune Bridge, which is Mr. Listister, location 125. Did you get those signatures? We got five minutes.

We're just in the very f I did request. So with the things that we approved the other day, this number comes way down. The uh 32934 was done the other day 32979 and 32980. He lo 3 million also 3.2. I gave you a sheet the other day.

Smile a little bit. Todd all the time. that looks good. I gave you a list of good projects we got in the works and being done, but this kind of is a list of what we have done. uh is related to uh film bridge and the uh replacements. You can kind of see there are I think 30 SA bridge replace 27 new bridges and four rehabs in uh the past 20 years. actually less than that cuz when I started in 2005, it took us a while to get things programmed and money so we can go ahead and do work in the county. So, actually in the last 16 years, 17 years, we've been able to do 31 uh new bridges and four rehabs. And then you have the small structure replacements. Uh we do a lot more small structure replacements because Tim's crews do a lot of the work. uh these are the ones that have to go out the contract to go through contract administration. So they're the larger type of bridge inspe or small structure inspe or small structure replacements because they are uh uh

just because of size and scope. These do not include the actual nine box beam bridges that we had when we uh state came out. We did the special inspection of the box beam bridges and basically we have box beam bridges that did not have decks on them. Okay. Therefore, the box beams were left open but the time when they were built that's kind of what they did. Uh and the problem is when you leave an old box beam open uh the top of the beams get all the wear and tear of the snow snow and everything else. And basically uh the they were only getting anywhere between 20 and 30 years of life out of those structures instead of the 70 years plus that they were wanting. We actually had 11 total of the box beam bridges after our inspection. Nine of them could be saved and decks placed which we did. So we actually saved nine bridges uh adding decks. uh two of them could not be done that way and actually we're on a replacement cycle because of the wear and tear and deterioration of the box beam. So actually we didn't rebuild bridges but we did add decks to uh nine bridges to extend their lives and bring those up as well. So when you look at that, you know, you're looking at 31, you're actually looking almost 40 bridges that we've upgraded to uh uh life extendencies and that as well as then you got the epoxy coated list uh that we're using now to extend the life of the structures by putting the barrier on top of the uh decks that make the decks last a lot longer. So, we've gone a long way in our bridge program to go ahead and upgrade and maintain our structures and get the longest best life out of them at the

most economical price. But that's just giving you an update on where they stand. And then you also got what I gave you the other day that kind of showed you the uh uh what do I want to say? Well, some bridges that need work.

The bridges that need work. That's not, you know, that's all the bridges. It's not all the small structures. The only thing on that list is small structures that we've actually got funded. There's a lot more small structures that need to be funded. And part of my budget this year includes that. As Liz said, the budget since we got the appropriations, I put it both ways because I didn't know if I was going to appropriation through uh or through budget or how it was going to come about. So basically if you look at my budget uh small structure 2 uh 624 625 for 550 can be taken out of my budget. Bridge 68 Yorkville Road can be taken out of my budget. And bridge 221 Davidson Road can be taken out of the budget. So right there we're losing basically $3.25 million out of the budget. that goes a lot towards uh balancing my budget. It still doesn't balance it all the way.

It's still about 1.8. Is that right? Yeah. 1792 I think is what we said yesterday the other day. Where do we need to be to be balancing? I don't know how that number comes up for one point. How much were they saying total for them? Your total receipts? No, my total. How much did it say? They thought I had a cut. You took you you cut 1.4 million. You cut 550,000 and an additional one. Don't forget. Okay. But what were they saying? They're saying you're going to be $99,000 because that's what they have as yours to keep

my receipts from that fund 1135. That's a property tax based fund. Hbridgeidge is funded from property taxes. I understand. Baker Tilly is showing that any more than you take in. I know your receipts are $99,000. Does is there anything in that? Is there any balance in that account?

That is I'm trying to figure out last year, Leah, we took in $1.2 million. That doesn't make any sense. Well, it's because you've got an excess shortfall now coming from Senate Bill One, which is going to take more off the top. All they're saying is so the which I normally would get every year I would get 850. They're saying how much we're going to get this year? 99,000. Okay. Last year they showed you as getting 977,000. Well, I budget 850,000. And that's what I don't make sense.

Well, we're showing that your balance I mean your budget is currently with everything that's still unfunded in your budget that you they say we're going to I'm running the deficit right now. Well, like you've got about $200,000 in free cash sitting in that fund right now.

Okay. Basically, I say if I spent everything, if I spent my budget before when I turned it in according to revenues using 850,000 income, that's what I use for my income that I was overbudgeted by I was 6 $3.6 million in the hole. So, if I cut 3.25, 25. I'm now looking another 400 and some thousand plus whatever kind of rainy you know gap in there. 5% 10% gap. So I figured I had to lose somewhere around $4 million. I can't understand why we're

what I'm think this why they're saying 4.8 above. That's unless you're going to say I'm not going to get 900,000 next year. What I'm show what I'm showing with the math that Leah said like the 900,000 plus the 200,000 that's sitting in Cunebridge that would be 1.1 million. I'm showing that with everything you've got on here taking out what we approved on Monday. And I get one point but I also get 350,000 yet this year because I haven't got the second distribution yet. Have I?

Yeah. So, I got 350,000 coming in yet this year. That's not shown because we get a second distribution, which I estimate 350,000. That's what we use. I think last year, Leah, you told me it was a little bit more than that, but I use 350 because always go low. Plus, I'm going to get that. That's going to bring you the the count balance up. But as far as being a balanced budget based on next year's receipts is what this is saying. No, but you you don't you don't you have to understand how we work. We don't work on a 12-month B uh budget.

I work on an 18month budget because I got to look at my expenditures between June July 1st and December 31st that I'm going to have plus my cash that I have now. Yep. Plus what receipts I'm going to have. Okay. And add next year's budget in with next year's receipts. So, I don't budget a 12-month budget. So, I actually looking at I actually have to look at an 18month budget counting the expenditures for the rest of this year plus the income for this year plus next year's expenditures plus next year's receipts.

So, here's what I'm going to say. If we take the 900,000 from Baker Tilly's estimate for 26, you take the 200,000 that's sitting, you add the 350 that's coming, it's 1.5, right? And that's 1.450. And your what I show is what's left in your submitted budget is roughly 1.8. So roughly you would have to cut about three or $400,000 out of what's submitted. Correct. Plus plus not million. I mean

400,000 plus some rainy day because you can't budget. Okay. I can't I have to have a little bit of I can't budget down to the last dollar. I got to say, okay, plus 5% on top of so I want to I want to I don't want to have $3 left in the bank account at the end of next year. So I want to have a couple hundred thousand left at the end of the year like we have this year in cash which right now is what 200,000. So if I could if I could interject, typically what we do with your [ __ ] bridge budget is to delete a couple of designs and then typically in 26 out of what you're receiving in riverboat, they would be funded in that manner. They wouldn't be funded in this budget.

Correct. What I'm saying is, and I understand basically I I was figuring I was going to lose every one of my capital projects out of Keune Bridge. Each every one of those designs would add up to $400,000 additional. Okay. Now, there still has to be something cut in my budget upon those because that's 400,000. That puts me basically I'm spending every dollar I got. Okay. Without any play.

So, this is when like last year I think you took my you moved something in general fund. What did you move in the general fund? Was it my Was it my repair? Let me So, your culbert lines up significantly this year. Yeah. Which one up? Oh, 2183. Yep. Come on up to Yeah, we always say that. Whose culverts are those? This is Q bridge.

Yeah, there's 200,000 still in MBHA sub for Okay. as well. So that I think I think that's what we did last year. I think we took it out of took a lot of it out of the budget and said, "Okay, what I had appropriated for which we've done in the past, he's got LRS." Culver's get paid out of lots of different budgets and spread that fund out. So, in Colbert budgets, we asked for 250. I think what you normally do there, don't you take part of that down? What was it? What is it this year? What was it? 50.

So, we lost 100,000 out of that budget to make to to give me some more to give me some cushion at the other end. So, you're saying if we took five small structure designs out, which is 400, and your culvert's down to 150, that gives you a cushion you're comfortable with and a budget that works. Well, are you comfortable with giving just having a 100,000 on top of it? my estimates that I use I use 850 for the budgeted money that I get in because I run a computer I run a computer uh computer estimate based on because like I said is I don't work on a eightmon or a 12-month budget. I work on an 18-month budget

and this works that 18-month budget in what how much distributions I've already paid this year, how much I got left to be paid out. If I spent every dollar out of my budget know damn well I'm not going to spend every dollar out of my budget this year. We just never do. There's always money that rolls. You have a lot of it covered since the end of the year. And then I end the year I cover a lot of money. But a lot of the what I call the the concrete, the steel, the guardrail, that stuff that always is that just goes back into budget, which we don't spend. Uh that comes out of that. The supply budget is all that. And there's a lot of the supply budget we don't use, but we never know exactly how much we're going to use and where we're going to put it.

We're in order to make some progress here. the 2183 coverts. We'll reduce that back to the 150 for we need to come in for more money later on with me and Tim. We we'll come later on. We're going to delete all the small structures. Correct. Which I figured we were and I would have to come back next May and ask for additional funds either in February or whenever we meet. I know you always meet in May. We can always come back and ask for the additionals at that time. That's basically for design. Oh, those are small structures. This What would this $80,000 buy us? What's that? For those small structures, that's a design. Okay, that's what I was asking.

These are Those are all the designs. Those are all small. That's the actual design funds that we signed a contract the other day for a bridge of uh77, $700, I think. So, so it all depends because basically these structures are acting like bridges are bigger structures. So Todd, you when you send those out for design, I see I think on our list the other day, I think I saw Bernie's name on there and Civil Con. Are those for how when you send it out to design, you send it out for multiple people for bids or how does that work? You use use

Well, what I do is I call you understand how the process works. Okay. If I'm doing federal a projects, I'm looking at a whole different set of group of consultants that I'm looking at for our local design. Okay. The local design guys do small projects, small type projects. Guess what? They don't own office in Indianapolis. Okay? They usually have about five employees. Okay? They don't have a a uh a business services department basically that came in here yesterday with the for some of the business services department. So basically our in-house design and and the problem with and you'll see you you'll see FPBH and CLICON because most of the little guys are gone.

There used to be a bunch of little guys that you know I would have four or five of those. The problem is the little guys in today's world the way INDOT operates they used to feed the little guys a little bit. Okay. The little guys have got to do strictly county work. Okay. Okay. Now, they'll do some federal aid stuff, small, okay, but that's not their bread and butter. And because of that, their prices are less. They're all pre-qualified with INDOT. Yeah.

Okay. But they're doing smaller type projects. Now when you look at uh my federal a okay you look at USI you look at United you look at American structure point you look at uh egress egus now been used to be being longest nef they've been bought okay so you're looking at the bigger because they have the services for all the environmentals and everything else that need to be handled through the federal process you know they got companies with 50 60 70 people in Okay. The price of just to give you an idea, the price of the design contract for bridge 14. Okay. Federal aid, $470,000.

Jeez. Okay. The price of the contract for uh cranes run 212 with fuel ped vendor was $77,700 yesterday. We signed still pre-qualified contract consultant, but it doesn't have two things. It doesn't have the all the requirements that the federal aid requires. Okay. And I don't have to pay for everything. I don't have to pay the their overhead. How do we choose those designers? What's that? How do we how did we choose the one for cranes run you just mentioned?

Okay. When you go through the federal aid process, it goes through a we have to follow the INDOT process. It's a grading form that we use through INDOT. It's not bid, it's professional services. Professional services. Correct. So you you So when when I look at the lower stuff, then I'm going out and asking I'm asking for proposals. Okay. And I look at price. Okay. May not so bad. I'm almost I'm always looking out the small stuff.

And if he's I'm looking at the price because guess what? They're both pre both of those companies or whoever else is pre-qualified. They can do the job. every every one of them can do the job. I got to look at the dollars on that because my it's a small stuff. But when I get to the federal aid, you can't you can't ask about price. Price is not they got to meet the requirements to meet the federal aid requirements. And oh god, what act is it? Oh [ __ ] I can't think of it now. It doesn't matter.

There's there's an act that we have to follow that Congress sets on how you do, you know, professional services. Salary doesn't get mentioned till he's selected. Then I have to negotiate a contract with them and I negotiate then I negotiate a contract. So, and then after that contract's negotiated and the and we look at I mean there there's parameters okay but how much they can earn through profit and everything else but a lot of those numbers were fixed by INDOT saying this is his overhead rate this is whatever rate this is you know this is the whatever you know the profitability rate everything gets done in there

and then I negotiate that contract to where acceptable and then I send it to end dot for INDOT review and then INDOT reviews the contract they agree with it then I go ahead and get this contract signed between the commissioners and the consultants so it's a whole it's a whole different process that I have to follow because it's federal dollars involved where in the local side it's it's we look more price got it okay so in order to uh try to finalize this budget if we take covers down to 200,000 we eliminate the all all four five of these small structures, which is $400,000. That's $500,000. Um,

wait, wait, no. Hey, Culver's still 150, not 200. No, there's another line on that back page. That's my cover repair. That's where I have a contractor come in and do work for us. That's the one you had. You added extra money in May in that contract. That's the money I use for there's culvert. There's culverts that were buying culverts, vault structures that Tim would put in. Some of those structures run what $40 $50,000 just for one structure.

You know, depending on what the size of structure is, you know, that's that's that money. Then they have covert repair, which is the thin deck overlays you're looking at. And I think that is this year and actually to come back and get additional money they have some money in there to do uh the patching or just give you an idea uh if it's small enough like we had to come back for that work for uh Hoosman because it was 100 what was that 60,000 150,000 that was way above what I budget could take but if it's something small it cost 30 40,000 I'll use my covert repair budget it because I don't have to keep coming back for you for small repair work.

Bottom line is if we want to take something out, we need to take it out of Culbert Repair and not Colbert's cuz feeding him the the material he needs to keep his guys busy. Colbert's is a 150. If and if you want to take is 250. If you want to take it take that to 150. And what's my Culbert repair budget? 250. Take that to 150. That's both of them to 150. That will then give you about $200,000 of cash. Basically what I got now we're good.

You see what I'm saying is I think we need to do both of those to to give us a a warm fuzzy feeling that if for something budget projections didn't come in, we were still we were still in good shape. And we're operating with the knowledge that we're going to be doing some supplementals in 26 out of. So basically, and we're gonna have and I'm gonna have to come back for the design. And at that time, not to say bad, when I put this budget together, I didn't know all the additional bridges that we added. So I might take one or two of the small structures and only do a couple of those and add a bridge design instead in the spring.

I would like to just do this one more time. So we're looking at 3183 coverts going to 150. Okay. And then on 32938 go from 250 down to 150 repair eliminate all the small structures. Correct. And we've already eliminated the other stuff in capital. Right. Right. Is already approved. So that we're looking at 1.2 million with what he's got sitting and what's coming in in what he shows coming in in 26. Then this is a good balance. Okay. And that would still leave right away acquisition in that budget and purchased equipment in that budget or in that capital outlays. Everything else in capital 8 blaze will be gone. Okay.

Is that what you got Le? Okay. Are you saying with him or is No, I want I would like to talk a little bit before we get done. For what? Valerie, I know we never like to talk about this, we need to talk about

She cut down.

Some people offer [Music] if I just tell the sheriff we'll pick someone. We're ready for him. Can we do that? Yeah. We got Amy.

We got some. We got an hour.

Okay. Which one you want? Well,

yeah. We'll go the last turn. Everybody knows I'm on my 20th year anniversary is the 8th this month. Been here 20 years. When I started uh starting with 70,000 when I was hired, I got paid 625, took $7,500 less with the understanding I would get rewarded once I proved that I could do the job. Well, three years ago, you gave me that $7,500. Okay. 17 years, which I was understanding when I got hired that I get it in probably two or three. Eight years ago, my stipen was raised from 20,000 to 40,000 for the engineers to help retain and hire new engineers. The time I was told, well, yeah, we got the extra money, but they didn't mandate that it goes to the engineer salary. I've been there 20 years. I think I crude what I've done in the county. You look at the money that I've gotten on the first sheet I had earlier today, one of the first ones, $37 million. The 20 years prior to me coming to the county, the county had three federal aid jobs. Three Coal Lane, County Line Road, and North Hog Road. Three projects. See how many I've got in the last 20 years. I think my worth is there. Okay. I think there was a statement a while back by one of the council at a meeting that you know normally you know when per people take on extra work they get paid for that extra work. Okay. One sheet I p showed you earlier the one that comes in that says 505 miles of road or 53 miles of road. Okay. What that shows you is 53 miles of road

we have in the county. To do our PAMP, HWC pays us $21,500. Turn the page. Ohio County has 135 miles, but their contract is 40,000. Okay. The reason is they do all the administration of the community crossings. I do all the administration. Okay. So, if you figure out I'm saving a county over $30,000 a year for the last nine years in community crossing because I do all the administration. I handle all the contracts. I handle all the publications. I handle all the pay. I handle I I do the design. I do the contracts. Part of my job. But the county saved in the last nine years over $270,000 because I took it on as part of my job. Did I get paid extra for it? No. Think of when I lost my when I hired I had a full-time assistant. Well, Tim remembers we had an assistant in the office. What happened when Elaine years came in and we and he resigned? We never filled it. Responsibilities by fact to me had to be get done. I mean, with Lane years, Tim Tim used to have 13 more people in his department to get things done, but we had a cut because we didn't have funding, you know, and he struggles now because of it. Now, the environment is we we still want to have the money to hire the people back, but guess what? The people we got working for us had to suck it up and had to take it on. But did we get anything paid on the other side of it? No. What I'm showing you is on the one sheet you look at the population the one that

talks about Noble Henry and Adams those are populations counties that we have in the county in the state Noble County pays are engineered in two 2024 and I printed them out so you can actually see off the gateway because you're we have to upload everything in the gateway correct Leah okay comes right out the gateway that the auditor's office every auditor's office in the state of Indiana have that upload by law. What it shows is their engineer makes $155,000 in 20124 made $40,000 more than I did. Superintendent made $77,000 which I last year which you know is more than Tim makes. Okay. You look at Henry County, their superintendent in 2023 because I couldn't do 2024 because Joe is retired. So, he's no, he's a part-time engineer, not a full-time engineer. Two years ago, he was making 130,000 and their superintendent two years ago was making 71,000. And their population is right around ours again. Then you look at Adams County, they got a population only 36,000, but their engineer makes 20,000, 120,000. The superintendent makes 61,000.

You know how many miles are in those counts?

I can't tell you the mileage. Okay. I can tell you population size. I do. I expect $155,000 a year. No. Okay. I think I put in I I think I would put 130 because that would put me close to what Henry was plus what cost of living raised this year. And I got to talk with Tim. Tim needs to be raised too because the amount of work that he has to do now that is a hell lot more than he used to be. He goes out and gets you NRCS money. I can tell you right now that's a pain in the ass. The paperwork that he does, okay, to get that kind of fund for the county. How many NRCS grants did you have before you came to the county? I can tell you it was none. Kids work. It takes time, takes effort. Okay? He takes it on. I've taken it on over the years. I got four years left. I just turned 62. Okay? I got four years left. And I'd like to be paid a salary comparable for the work that I do for this county. I think I deserve it. I think Tim deserves it because we busted our asses for the last 20 years for this county. you a panel back's nice, but it doesn't pay the bulldog. And when you're looking at retirement, you know, you're looking at what's got the other end. You know, this this kind of raise that I'm asking for is going to help on my retirement end of it. Okay? But I think I deserve it. I think Tim deserve it. I think you know I deserve it. Okay? because you know what I do to this county. I mean, we bleed this county. Otherwise, we wouldn't do every time I I had a job and I went and got money the other day for four jobs. Guess what?

That is a hell lot more work for my work for me next year because now I got to do the administration of those jobs. I got to get the contracts ready for bid through my consultants. Got to do the work there. Yeah, I can't be out there. I do hire part-time help to help me through consultants, okay? But at the end of the day, I'm the one that's full responsibility making sure everything gets done. He's doing what he's supposed to be doing. Things are getting checked that need to be checked. Just like yesterday, I said, remember I said we're going to pour the other morning. Okay, we we were supposed to pour at 4 in the morning. Problem is, SR's concrete came in, the first load of concrete came at 10% air instead of four to 5 and a half. Second truck coming at 12. Next truck coming at 16. Okay. I get a call. I get a call 4 in the morning from my my inspector saying, "Hey, just want to let you know the first four trucks cuz I was going to be there for four." I said, "I'll be there. Try to stop in before I go to work." He said, "Don't worry about coming in." Okay.

You had guess what trucks? We threw them out. We threw them We we canceled the pour for the day. Okay. They poured this morning 4 in the morning. Last truck got poured in. Let set somewhere a little bit after 8 this morning when he emailed me back. I stopped by to say, "How's things going? Everything's going smooth. Everything's going good." Okay, I'm done. Let him do his job. Okay. But that's all part of part of the job. Okay. I got a call from INDOT this morning on my lower deals by roads federal aid. Okay. Todd, we need this. We need this. We need, you know, I know you sent this before, but can you I don't I can't find it in my files. Can you go back and resend it to me? Fine. Go do. Okay. So, what I'm asking for today is, you know, you got $20,000 extra the other year. Okay? And I know you didn't have to put it to my salary, but I'm asking for it now. Okay? And I'm not asking for all of it because I figure what I asked for, I think I asked for $13,000 merit plus that would put me at 130 plus the cost of living would put me basically what Henry was paying their engineer two years ago.

Thank you for the information. We'll certainly take you under adisement. So I mean appreciate what you do, Todd. It just, you know, I think it's time to do the work for what I do. Appreciate your comments. And I know I got two businessmen up there. If they work for you in your private industry, you make sure they were taken care of because you couldn't afford to lose them. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Next on our agenda is Mr. Gravy, location 125. I'm sorry. Location 126.

Oh, Jim. I have fun. This is going to be a big question. He said 126, isn't it? 51 highway. Well, he's got several. He's got I already have my budget done. He said 126 is behind the 51 pack together. He wants He wants the same level. We're already getting ones that the commissioners want.

I'd like for us to get started. We're way behind things. So, we're looking at locations 126, 127, and 128. And that's the highway under strict U. I don't have anything. I think it needs to be changed. Your receipt should handle this. Does anyone have anything they want to discuss about these? Which one should you say, Liz? I'm sorry. Fund 1176. Okay. Does anyone have anything they want to discuss about that? Yeah, she said I think those three look good. You're good. Everyone good with this one? Yes. Let's go 128.

That's the restriction. You've got 1.8 for slip. Okay. Which we have slip. I think I thought that would work. I think Yeah. Yes. And then 1169 is local road and street. That one looks good to me. Uh you did take weed control out. I guess here's why I did that. I took that out because I got a I've made a deal with the chemical companies and I bought enough product for next year now. So good. The money would just be sitting there. I won't use it. I got the product for next year, right?

So all under weather in the, you know, out of the weather. It's all good. I was trying to be a little proactive because stuff's going up. Uh with all the glossopate lawsuits and what have you with Roundup, that's kind of a mystery. So, uh, I reached out to the chemical companies and and did some bidding and and, uh, actually we bought it through Losree Valley A is who we bought it from. That mostly Roundup or it's it's glossopate and basically 24D. Yeah. Mixed together. Yeah, we use mixed together. And we use um Oh, man. One brain dead. Been a morning listening to all that. It's been a morning.

Crossbow. No, we don't use Crossbow because it'll travel. We use Man, it's a new one. We What we use is it's a 240 product, Mark, and it doesn't bleach. It It locks up where where we don't have any uh problems like killing somebody's beans, non GMO beans or non GMO corn or something like that. So, um, anyway, I assume you just just adjusted your ice control because last year was so much. Yes. We get any Do we have any left or not?

We got some left. We do. And and I and I just got the contract. It's funny. I just got the new contract yesterday and it went up like uh $3 $3.82 a ton this year. So, it makes it at$ 8977. Last year we were at 85.95. Uh last year we used 3,000 tons and we were full. So you 3,000 on top of probably 4,000. We used almost 7,000 tons of salt last year which is insane. Because you had those two extra trucks distributed, right? It just uh it's it's you know I don't know the salt thing

appreciate it. Well, I mean, yeah, but it it kind of shoots us in the foot, too, on the other end with the MS4 and all that stuff. It it's, you know, the public wants it, but the public don't understand what we have to do to keep it. And, uh, I know a lot of other counties, you know, they don't use this plate near as much product as we do. I mean, Ohio County is very small, but they only use 200 ton. They only bought 200 tons here. I only bought I bought 3,000. I ordered 3,000 tons of salt and hopefully we have enough. Last year we only ordered um 25 or 2400. Do we need Todd for location 15? And I had to buy I had to go outside the contract and buy 800 tons

to get us through. Yeah. And then your other fund is local road and street 127. That that one's good. Okay. Too bad they don't make some kind of containment to put that salt in where because you have to put it on the ground, right? That's the total. We put it in concrete. We try to keep it all inside, but it don't always work out. Keep it all inside. We made efforts several years ago to try to keep it all inside, but there's times there's times where we got more salt than we have storage because we got a storm coming. So, I order salt. So, there's

Just kidding. You got a quarter inch and it's nothing, right? Exactly. Well, you never know. You know, life of a highway guy, it's kind of not always that fun. Actually, it's not fun a lot to be honest with you. Now, you get a lot of butt chewing and not many accolades. Oh, in my business. Oh, come on. All those sandwiches at Logan Supermarket, don't don't Well, that's that's a that is a definite perk. And don't forget out there at the Blimpy, they take good care and Dave Dedens takes good care of us at Skyline, all those people take good care of my people. They do. They they they that's it's it's it's nice to know and it makes you feel good when you know people your peers you know you're helping their business

take a liking to you and you know and think you did a nice job you know hey free cheesec I wouldn't be driving a truck I'd be taking a nap 1169 we're good on I had a question just uh this part-time employees uh do you have trouble keeping part-time employees at your shop. Uh we don't have an excessive amount. We uh not really. Um do they have to have CDLs? No, they do not. Cuz what we do with those people, we use them basically to mow. Yeah. Um one of them takes care of our campus. He cuts off grass at our campus. Sure. He's 76 years old. Okay. Um

Glenn Lions, but the other guys are basically uh road mowers, right? Doing the tractor along the road. Okay. And um you know, three or four days a week. It works good for us because we take the full-time guys and keep them doing full-time real work instead of mowing. Sure. Sure. And do you uh do they is there uh are they considered seasonal to where they just uh they're seasonal? Once the grass is done growing, they're they're done working. Yeah. Yes. Um we we have brought them back for different things like you know uh in the winter or fall sometimes the little guy that does our cuts our campus. We we have him come back on a limited basis and go get parts for us in Cincinnati. Okay. For the trucks or what have you.

Yeah. You know, that kind of thing. That's kind of what they do, though. Yeah. On that same note, what about CDL guys? You have a hard time getting them? We can't. That's impossible. How many How many CDL? We pay for to get it right. How many CDL drivers do you currently have on staff? Well, we want 28, but we don't have that very often. How many do we have right now? Roughly like 23. And we we pay for it, right? But then we ask them to stay around for two years or something. Three years. Yeah. It's prrated them. It's prorated. Um two years a couple years ago to make sure we we've had one employee do that and he's an exceptional employee and we've have nobody. The the problem is when they they sign up to take the school, they basically got to quit when they're working

because school's in the daytime. Y and it's kind of a full-time deal. And so um Yeah. Anyway, uh it's it's hard for them. It's hard for them that to uh come in. Um you know, a lot of just it's hard to retain people, Mark, to be honest with you. Oh, yeah. Got it. You guys got it. I mean, I know. I mean, Turkish use Hispanic help and and and there's nothing wrong with that. Them guys work. Most of them do. on these. I'm sorry. Well, besides 51 location

we getting about three or four year process to get to get permits if they want to do it. So the only other fund that I think that you well there's one that I'd like to have you and Todd both in the room but location 125 is the VHS substitute and that's just um riverboat money that's dedicated for these purposes they were trying to keep the I think commissioners and Tom trying to comm keep that your level um I don't see any problem with that. I'm just saying that's this is a riverboat money, right? So I think we're good on this.

Yeah. And then I don't think we reviewed 51. Yeah, we reviewed everything except for 51. Okay. So location

forat blind number. Gotcha. Okay. So location 51. Is everyone on the same page with this one? Yep. Okay. So this is the biggest change here is uh Batum is going up from 400,000 to 1.5 million. So the question is are there specific roads that you're looking at doing or is this I mean I know there's a lot of paving that need to be done in the county but that's a huge jump.

Todd, that's your your gig. You want to you ask me to put the put that? Well, part of the problem is that I works un crossing is is changing and I ain't figured out exactly when it changed. We're talking about culverts. I mean, we're talking about this here. Okay, I understand. Understand it's all tied to community crossing. Okay. Used to be a 5050.

We get 50,000 or we would spend 1.5 million and I put up the 1.5 million. So you give me one. We do we did 300,000. $3 million worth of paint. Okay. I was told that we would still be committed that $3 million worth of play tow. Okay. Towed by whom? I I I told you that I would I would lobby for that for you. Yes.

Okay. Okay. because our if we don't do it I go I go back from a 55 year pro program to an 88y year program so I don't think my understanding we don't want to go back even though 55 is a is unrealistic but at least it's a number that's better than 88.

Oh thank you. Uh so what we've done is to make sure we kept ourselves at a $3 million pre paving program because this year the batch is not 50/50 because Mr. Maxwell got the number changed from 50,000 to 60,000. What's the cut off? We're now a 8020 or 7525 80. Okay. And I think I calculated the timing is 85 or 7525 said, "Okay, to get 1.5 million, I only got to kick in an additional 25% of that, which still left me shy."

Yep. 750 to $800,000 in of a of a program for a million $3 million program. Mike said, "Okay, do that." That means because we hit pay, we'll have less in community CCMG money. Okay. Match money. You'll have more in between because you're still running a $3 million program. So Todd, is this earmarked more or less for Salt Fork and Jackson Ridge? No. That's what you're looking for. That's this year's fun. That's that's this year's money is I'm looking at

No, she's right, Todd, because this would be that money for because cuz what they gave me is for these law three. Well, they gave you guys gave me money Monday for doing the the uh repair work, right? That's not paving for the slip, right? All the 26 community crossings is supposed to be for Salt Fork and Jackson Ridge. 26 community crossings will be for whatever we add me and Tim haven't decided yet. The 2025 you got explain. Go ahead. 2025 community which is October's call. Okay. It's this year

which is actually paving 2026 but it's actually community crossing 2025. It's the 1.5 million that's sitting in my budget right now because if you look at general fund there's a there's a budget CCMG correctly that's 1.5 1.5 million there's 1.6 sitting in there that's sitting in there that's one6 okay that 1.6 6 sitting is what I'm going to use for the call in November or October. Okay, that'll actually be that work will be paved in 2026 which will be these are the roads that me and Tim have discussed.

Talk about county money now, not community crossing money, not the money we're getting from community crossing. This is your money you got dedicated for the match that I'm going to match with my community crossing money to spend the three million in that in that in my call in October. Okay. Salt Fork and Jackson Ridge, North Hogan, Border Lower, Dillsboro. Okay. Uh Batty Legion. Those are the roads that I've already gone out, looked at, measured, estimated, got everything ready except the bid document, but I got all the numbers ready to put in the bid document. Okay. But the bottom line is

I'll have ready for the application of October. You're still going to ask to carry for the money that's sitting in there because I'll have max money for bend. So I'll carry that money through there. Well, whatever I get. So it's not actually free money. Well, it's not the money that's there is going to be spent because I'm going to go get community crossing. Bottom line is if if Liz is saying the 1.5 million, if we cut that to 400,000 like it was last year, you're going to prioritize and the roads that are the lowest priority are going to fall off the list and they're not going to get paid. I'm saying we've gone to basically we've gone to saying, "Okay, we we got a $3 million." I understand that. But

if you do that, what happens if we cut the the cut it back to 400,000? What's going to happen? There's roads that aren't going to get paid. And I got to call people and they call in and say, "Todd, when am I going to my road's going to get paved? Am I on the list?" Then I got to go back and say, "Well, I hid you at 2075 because you you were within the 50 55 year period." Yeah. And I got to add 30 years to you. So now you're council got $900,000 less this year. So we had to cut some revenue

and I had to push the whole program out. So I got now I got you in 20, you know, I got you in 2110. So I mean that's the reality is so what I did is said okay you know the fun I get it but I mean at some point if we don't if we aren't not able to fund the whole thing we're going to cut off the lower priority roads for I just mean not to say bad is I've been here 20 years and we in a subdivision yet and I tell people in a subdivision I'm Sorry. I live on a subdivision street, too. No money.

That's what he said. I mean, that's Is that what you're showing forward? I've taken the money from this point in my budget, community crossing, and put it in the tune. This is what I did. I just flip-flop. I I get it. So, I would still maintain a $3 million pro payment pro or paving program. Right, wrong. That's what I did. And I figured we did not want to go backwards. Maybe we have to. I don't know. But we don't we don't want to, but it's reality, you know. I mean, I've been here for years in 10th grade year, too. I didn't paid roads. I didn't pay a road. Period. Amen. No road period. Yeah. We didn't we went years we didn't we didn't pay.

And it's like, or you think I can't catch up. Someone said it's like it's like somebody said, if you gave me $2 million to pay subdivision streets. Okay. I said, "That's great. He gave me $2 million a year." It'd still take me 30 years to catch up because I'm that far behind. Okay. People don't want to hear that because that's that's We have We have many miles of paved streets thanks so casino that have been done 25 years ago, right? So 30 years ago. Yeah. You know where you So this year you're doing East Law three, West and East Law three, Soap Hill, St. Pete. Is that what you're doing in 25? It's already done. Right. So what you're applying for when they do the call is Salt Fork, Jackson Ridge, and the other road

because what because what you're looking at in the budget is not my application for next year. That's it's the year I'm looking at 20 that money I'm asking for now is for community crossings 2027 or 2026 which will be paid in 2027. What I ask this year in the budget is paid. So, it's not actually free money. That's But if if you Well, it's not free money because I'm That's my application for this year's call and but for this year, you only need 600,000, right? No, this year call is still under last year. This is 20.5.

Talking about what you're requesting for 26 is 600,000 because it's because it's a 20% 20 m max. Okay. So, not the fetchy match. Gotcha. All right. That's why I'm not asking for 1.5 million. I think it's I think because I uh think it's like it's only asking for the 1.5 million to make up the difference from the match that went away. I got you. I mean that's easy to understand. Yeah, there it is. That's why you wanted the match to be the 50% still. Hell yeah. I want the match argument.

No, I I guess and my comment never asked. My comment to Todd is there's a win to the citizens if we're at this 8020 mark because in the tight years we're still going to be able to get the full match from the state without us putting in as much money. To me, our roads are a priority and I want to try to put as much money and continue the same level of funding. And that's the conversation that Todd and I had. Yeah. And what Maxwell did from a business standpoint was beneficial to the people of Dearborn County. Although you don't agree if we get tight. Yeah. And it's just it's it's yeah it's not an easy right

that's why I say I mean you look at it that's why now let's talk 30 to understand the paperwork and everything goes in there makes a mess. So for the we need to finalize this page. So we're looking at location 51. So one the first thing that I want to look at is 32 39298 community plan. So if the most that they're going to do and they may not do 3 million. So at 20% we're looking at a match of 600,000. So the 750 has to be changed to 600. That's because I was thinking 25% not 20%.

And that's fine. And then if they only do the m I mean community crossings ends up at 2 million then our match will actually end up being 400,000. But if we put 600,000 in our budget for 26 we're good. And realistically they it got cut from 150 million to 100 million. So that's 2/3. So the most we're probably going to need is 400,000. Correct. Whenever I know I know what that dollar amount is. I'm going to come back and say okay guys 600,000 we only spent this much here. I want to take that 600,000 what's left and put it on Batum so I can go still keep paid because I mean we'll never I mean we're just Yeah. I mean,

so then the the next question is on the 21807, he was requesting 1.5 million. It was 400,000 last year. And you're saying that would make up the deficit of what would be able to be paid for community. Listen. Yeah. Well, that would in the past getting a million and a half. We were putting another million and a half with it. We had to. Now we don't have to. and and but he wants to still do the same amount of paving, right? But we don't have to. This is it's it's do we want to? Correct. You got you. So I guess but we don't. So can but as a a fair way of saying that

if we're if we're set around 600 600 for our match can we just do the 9 900 that'd be 1.5. That'd be the that'd be 1.5 1.5 to 3 million but four you know what I'm saying? And if we if we had 900 there plus our 600 for the match, that's one point of that's exactly right. It's it's 20% up to 1.2 million. So it's not 20% of 1.5. It's 20% of 3 million. No, not 20% of 3 million. That's what I did. That's what that's why I got to 600,000. It's not you got 750 because that was

contract. So, if my contract is 2 million, uh, and I have 400,000 in that budget, that would be Yeah, because that's actually a little over, but yeah, if you put you take the one down to 4 million, I would need 1.1 in additional. So, you can take you can take the community crossing down to 400,000. You don't need six. Don't need six. Just It's only going to be It's only going to be 20%, not 25. Yeah, but but it could be a $3 million. If it is a $3 million project, 20% of that would be $600,000.

I mean, that's the best case scenario for different county application. They're going to give me more than 1.5 million. Okay, there's it's not three million. It's It's the They're going to give me Can't get 1.5. I can't get more than 1.5. So 1.5. Can't get 1.5 calculator. So you need 300. Then you only need 300,000,000. Well, because it's 1.8. It's It's different on that. So it's one It's If you go What's your need your calculator? Yeah. Where's your phone at? 1.5 million times 20%. Not 20%. It's 20% of the contract.

Okay? So, so if I had like a $2 million contract, 20% of that is 400,000, but that would be a that would be a 1.6 match. See what I'm saying? Yeah. So, I'm saying it's just keep it at 400,000. It's 300 and some thousand whatever. So, so, so if we put up the contract would be the 1.5 million plus plus 20% of plus a little bit more than that. So, it'd be 1.8 8 million. So we need 30. Yeah, we need 9 million would be what it is. So we just keep it a 4 million. We need 385,000.

So for community crossings to make it easier 4,000 and add 1.5 to the 1.5 was added to the other. So 39298 is 400,000. Is that correct? Right. That goes down to 400,000. And the other one to keep it the same, it would be 1.1 million. 1.1 million above what Tim asked the last year whatever which is 400,000. So it' be 1.5 million. No, it would be 1.1 million plus in addition to the 400,000. A total of 1.5 million. No, no, but you got the 400,000 already in community crossings.

But in order to do $3 million worth of paving. Todd's telling Todd's basically telling he wants to keep the batuminous for what you've been giving us and then your batum was last year, right? Which was for our Yeah. Yeah. I want to add 1.1 1.1 million to it because that's the extra money that would mean that we're not doing two community. That would give us the the 3 million. If we did the $400,000 match, that's 1.9 million. Okay. If all you'd need is another 1.1 million to go with that to make three million. 1.1 plus whatever 10 was spending that they had 44 that was for separate cost. Did you take that four plus one?

But the bottom line is you understand it. Okay. Does that make sense? And if we we can whatever we want to whatever what the two minutes was left what we'll do is we just invade we add trying to keep things more reserve. We eat into the reserve a little bit too. Don't get pumping distributions. Just a matter of where it's a if it's a we don't need that for the match. No, we don't need it for the match. But if we're going to pay the roads need to be paid to make continue to make progress. You don't have to do it at day.

That's up that's up to how far you want what what you want to get into as far as the other budgets. Discuss this with just us. be done. Let them know where that number falls. Yeah, Leo let you know where we end up, but um I understand what you're saying. 1.1 plus the whatever Tim had handed for that was outside of comm because here's part of it. We do a bunch of work in the house. Yeah. And then if you put it all in a contract, then I don't have any money to do any inhouse. Before you leave, before I forget, uh when does Salt Fort when are we going to do the uh the uh uh slip slide repair? Uh I don't know exactly. I mean, we're going to try to do it this winter.

Okay. This I I spoke with Tim yesterday and he or Monday, he didn't think it'd be a problem with the traffic and getting to the, you know, so we were going to try to do that this winter. Okay. So, we don't have anything under contract or anything yet? No. No, I do not. Okay. And then what? In the meantime, are we going to try to do some drag patching out there on on Salt Fork? We're going to try to. Yeah. Yeah. Before winter. Yes. Before. Well, it's it's bad. Now, do we just drag it or you use your Don't do you have a new roller? We We got We got a new We got a baby leaf boy pa we've been We've been using quite a bit. We used it over on Kaiser. We used on Purple. And you're nailing that and all that. I mean, it's two and a half. I mean, yeah. It's it's it's a complex. We own a PA now,

please. The county owns it. We own a Lee Boy PA. We bought it from Tom Chaw. It was used. I bought the drag, the PA, the whole nine yards. And we've been trying to do some That usually doesn't pan out to be a good move. Just word to the wise on that one. Well, I we have no problems with it. I mean, patchy. Well, I mean, so far we've had it over a year and so far so good. We have a uh one of our guys work for you guys work for Row that runs the paper that that runs operates it. So we're super far behind. We need to wrap up. Can I 30 second Todd? What's the 30 second update on You said there's going to be a potential another closing of Route One or down to one lane.

Okay. I was told there's another slip that's happening there somewhere. I think it's just somewhere around Cook or just north of Cook Road somewhere. bottom of the don't don't know exactly where.

Okay. INDOT approached me and said, "Hey, Todd, uh, this might happen." I said, "Okay, just let me know what's going on. Uh, I guess we got another slide to grow." So they they were looking at before it got bad trying to bring in a soil nailer by Tim uses uh to nail it at a lot less cost without having to do quesons that took a year. Okay. And cost a hell lot more if they jump on it fairly quick. And did I have anything contractwise in the area that that would really screw me up if they closed it? And I said no because they would run up saw in more deer.

So close closed not a 30. No, no, no, no, no. Closed, closed. There's actually a job bit today. Two culverts replacement at route one will be closed again, too. That's that's up at north do. I've already talked to them on that. The detour local detour runs Saw up to Saw to

to just that little gets off there just saw just north of State Road or North Dearborn Road. It's in between. It's just north of the church. That little valley in there north of the church. There's two box cowworks. Those are coming 26 27. They're going to do two between Cook Road. There's one right at Cook Road just to the south of Cook Road and one just north of Mount Pleasant. It'll be that'll close in 2027. Well, I just if we can get that moving, let's get it moving because a complete closure in the winter. You know how much Sodidge I'm just telling you. I know. I'm just Yeah. You want to hear some complaints about Soden Ridge and North Dearborn and uh and Mount Pleasant happening as long just Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I'll see what I can find out tomorrow, but I haven't heard anything. I just asked me did for 30 to 45 days. Did did I was it going to affect county work or whatever? And I said, "No, the detour. There's not a closure on the detour or anything like that." They can find sheriff's coming out. It's a local detour. Yeah. Wait. But that kind of gives you an idea what's on there. All right. Thank you, T. Then like I said, the call's going to be out in October for this year's call. Then after that, now next year's call in 2026, all done in July with the new rules. That's the one

should start at the uh yet know uh what road I have. We have everything ready for this year too. Well, that's when you're going to do salt fork in Jackson. That's going to do salt fork. Okay. Thank you very much. As always, we kind of cross is always like a year. It's a year. I get money this year. Thank you guys. Take a five minute restroom break. Yes. So

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today I did well. It was nice. Just great. Just great. I know it's budget. It's all easy peasy, ain't it? Yeah. You trying to figure this [ __ ] out, huh? You trying to figure this out? You had to go to the bathroom. Everybody else would. Okay, you understand what Leah when you look at Susan's page 13,000 plus whatever put in county general the figure of the land plus the cost of living we put the should 3.8 million that we approved

about 4916 back into what she showed us on line 50 line you made she had 1139 let's say 114 and we approved uh Davidson which was already in that calculation but we took 3.8 million that was in there and proved it out of 4916 so 3.8 gets added back into that number, right? Yes. Okay. So, that puts it at you looking for Daniel 18er, right? That one sheriff. I got the jail, but I don't have the sheriff. Location six.

I must got it in the ones we already did. There it is. Somehow six way back here. Yeah.

So, I'm getting 15,191. How are you getting 18? Because if you look at number 28, line 28 in 25 isn't 5.7 million. It's 1.6. truth, but like that would be a true number. So, okay. So, it's more than 3.8 that we're putting back in. Yeah. They just see like everything that's advertised. We had $1,000 in the commissioner's budget for paper towels.

That's why going too during you got them for free. I know that those in those automatic flush toilet is a free. So yeah, if he only needs 1.5 million then we could at least cut him off at that keep 142,000. Are you going to have Shann in? I told him 11:00 he should be here in Okay. So I just like to be clear on the location on this one.

Yeah. And the only I don't know, you know, obviously I don't know what's going to come. Right. Right. Right. But today, so I'm going to I'm going to X out my notes. And so you're showing that even with even with the 1.4 for for vatuminous and everything else you're showing what for line 50 for line 50 or line 50 yeah end of 25 would be close to 4 million higher than not the end of 25 I'm looking at 26 right but that would roll over into 26

right so for her she's got 11.3 so what are you showing it would you I'm looking I'm looking at county general one 01 line 50.

I picked up a line. I feel this is important for me personally. I had no part of that asking for money and and I'm Jack because bullet point number seven I'm not real smart but I do follow directions. Bullet point number seven is highlighted in yellow. says, "Don't ask for money right there. That's the sheep from Leah." And you follow directions and follow it. Don't do much else, Mark. But

thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you, Tim. Have a great day. Thanks for your time. $3 school for 72 years. Well, that's taking into account the 3.8 million that we advertised out of both and other other stuff, not not that 1.6 million. Okay. So, we're looking at this ending up closer to what 25 even giving him 1.45 four five years of course you know if you look at 19 huh no no

are you sure for the mumin minutes Liz we should have him come in and explain that I'd like to know what okay what's that I said remember are we losing that one bond or I mean my opinion to see where the bottom line comes up at the very end if there's anything we can do that's place it said what you say is 100% the effects of you want you know that's why I told him said this is this is a win for the citizens if we don't have to put we can still get the full match up less I know that's not what you want but in the lean if we have some lean years which guess what SB1 just made us pretty darn

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Yeah, we'll I'll give someone take a look at it. See if we can come up with the That's good truck description. We ought to be able to come up on what that is. Sheriff, thank you for waiting for us to get caught up. So Jerry is zeroed out finally. Finally. What uh what department or what location? Six. Six.

And then the jail is location 20. This is out of public safety lit. So far your budget is barely after we move the cars out. Barely. Uh the lit revenue is barely covering your B. I mean that's not your problem. It's ours but it's like take a deep breath. Maybe you can up that in 28.

All right. Where do you want to start on basically any changes? So uh Hartsburg retired and someone's obviously taking his place. How's how's that working?

So he was he was a captain. Um, basically he was a captain and a sergeant role, but he was on the um regular, even though he worked the shifts, he got holidays off rather than having to work the holidays um because of that whole longevity decision. So, I want to do away with the captain because we it's just the captain's not needed really. It just needs to be a sergeant because we have four shift sergeants and that's the role that they will be taking care of from here on out. So there was no bump really in the captain line rightly. It was just longevity is what the difference was with him and he was just topped out. So if he

So whatever whatever bump he was getting for captain will stay the same for whoever gets the sergeant. Right. So it's just basically replacing the name of what what it really always should have been. Okay. So, when we're when we're working on like funds, which is not your role, that's our role. So, when we're looking at funds, public safety le, which we adopted in 20 for 2018, it brings in roughly 4 million. And we're we're barely uh holding up the 15% um reserve that the state likes us to have. And I've got thoughts about what the state likes us to have in real life. But I think the the only thing I would recommend in your budget is is moving the automobile purchase into CCD.

Moving what? I'm sorry. The three cars into CCD. Okay. Okay. You typically outfit them out of commissary. I think um you give us a a line and it anymore it doesn't completely is that vehicle installation that 15,000. Yeah. I mean each each vehicle now is up to about pretty close to 10,000 a car. So you do 15 out of com. supplemented out there. And we're we're starting to see um my guess after we do the reconciliation this month, commissary will probably be the lowest it's ever been since I've had it just because we've had still the same thing. We've had some vehicle maintenance issues and and those kind of things, but I mean, we're we're still staying steady.

So, new legislation, speaking of commissary, new new legislation, you're required to give us quarterly rates, right? Yeah. And I don't remember. Do you remember when that even takes place? I don't remember if I don't know if it was July 1st or if it starts pushed to next year. I'm not sure. I can't remember either, but we'll double check on that. And will you remind me about that, please? Thank you. Um, yeah, I don't know. It's I don't see anything in your budget that needs to be adjusted. The gasoline is is kind of a who knows what. I mean, you're obviously not using as much as the cost has gone down. Like in the last three years you've done we've done this that we raised it and then we lowered it and then we raised it and I think we did last year was like really really well right

so there is a surplus in the gas. Yeah. And it just rolls back into that fund. So that's not problem at all. Is there anything on the sheriff's budget anyone wants to talk about when we go with that? So we're going to just move the 150 into CCD. And what else did you He's requesting a team lateral review people.

So the lateral thing has been probably the most positive thing we've done together with that policy change because that has allowed us to to hire um rather than bringing in green people that you're not sure how they're going to work out. We brought in some some very good tenur people that are well trained. Um, and one of my newest ones is a a guy that had 10 years experience and he he's been awesome because he Where did he come from? Um, he had been at Jefferson County in Madison, but he actually just lives just barely outside the county in Ripley County down around Friendship. So, he's really close to the county line. Um, and they're I don't know what's going on, but they've lost a lot of people down at Madison. So, he lived in Friendship and What County is that in

or Ripley, sorry. Thank you. He brings that car home at night. Yeah, but I mean he's literally five minutes from the line. So I mean I know it's not optimal, but that's unfortunately where we are. That was a problem some years ago with a different situation. Yeah. And u but no, he's been he's been great because the problem you have is when you do the shifts like we do um all your rookies go to night shifts so that you get a serpent that's got a shift full of rookies that you know sometimes that's hard. You're trying to train them and maintain them. But when you can get a guy like this that's got 10 years, you just plug him in. He's then it's almost like having another supervisor to help with the guys and mentor them. So, how many deputies do you have on the road at night?

Um, so when we're fully staffed, we have we'll have four deputies working in a shift sergeant. Um, before the river boat, there was one.

Yeah. No, we we are we are staffed very well, but I mean, we're like, yes, it just it's hit or miss. Yesterday our day shift was unbelievably busy running from call to call to call like domestics during the day on a Tuesday which is not usual. I mean that's not the usual time. Usually you know it's in the evenings and mostly on the weekends but it was just days like that that they were they're running on. Construction's been tough on us. Um that's led to a lot of a lot of things and um but not to get too far off target here. the only the only problem that the the lateral thing had caused is then you have people that who have been here and been loyal to you that didn't get that opportunity. So I have three guys that it really affects that I think would be a big boost to to morale if we honored that same thing for them to take care of our own. Um and that would be um Detective Sergeant Ziggler, Sergeant Pinterest, and Sergeant Cochran.

Where are they in your budget? Are they in 110 or 14? 14 and 27.

I don't have a problem with that. Does anyone else is anyone else? So, you're saying if we Your line here says four sergeants without lateral 283. So, you're saying it's just about an $8,000 difference to get those guys up to the same level. That's other it's about 14,000 total. It's just basically honoring their prior police service prior to coming to Dear County like we have for the the new laterals with the policy change.

And then the other thing was that ordinance the commissioners passed that we funded for the rest of 25 and then for 26 84 hours.

Yeah. And just to touch on that a little bit. So, um, traditionally we've always worked 12-h hour shifts except for on Sundays and Sunday is the short day and they work eight hours. Well, problem gets to be with that then that lowers your staffing level for certain times and Sundays are generally our busiest day. So then we're kind if anybody takes off or you got somebody out and somebody takes off then you're short staffed. You got to post overtime. Um, and it was just always a real pain. And it Captain Hartsburg's shift was always a pain, too, because he had floating holidays at times where he had different days that came off. So then he would be off on Sunday. So we were just always short and it was just always a pain constantly looking to schedule every week and a lot of other departments had went to the 84 hours. So it's just easier to keep everybody the same. And every shift is a 12 and then your coverage is is really good is the main thing. And um I mean I know it's a $55,000 increase, but I couldn't we could go back and figure it out, but I mean it was I bet 50% of the Sundays we probably paid overtime trying to get shifts covered. Um so I think there'll be some it won't be completely that increase, but it will be an increase. But ever since we went to that, it's been great. I mean, we're not we don't have to look at the schedule every week and try to figure out who we got covering or move people around and it's worked out well.

So concern with them. So, okay. So, I think that does anyone else have any other questions with the sheriff's budget? Location six, we're doing the 3B if we got a CCD. Anyone good with that budget? Works for me. Then we're looking at location 20, which is the jail.

Yeah, this is essentially the same as last year. And

I do have one thing to discuss with you guys with with the jail that I want to look at. So, um, so our part-time folks that we use to do court security and things like that. We've been very lucky. Um, some of these guys have hung on with us as long as they have. And I expect they always tell me every year, I don't know how much longer I'll be here. I think I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go. But they they hang in there. So, we've been looking at that. So finally we moved a full-time person over to court security. Um she was a sergeant in the jail and we don't we don't have any kind of layer of we the Lieutenant McGown who's the assistant jail commander he kind of oversees court security but he also has you know the day-to-day stuff in the jail. So, moving uh Jen over, what we want to do is currently she's a sergeant, but we explained to her that there's no way that she could take that sergeant slot. Um, but what I would like to do is um let bump her down to a corporal once we promote the jail sergeant to take her place. Um, and then I would like to add another corporal. So that way we'll have a corporal in court security to kind of oversee court security and then add another corporal. I don't need any money because it's only like $3,000. What

beat you? You upset your accountant. Then then he's going to arrest you. Then he's going to arrest you later. Well, it's just it's something that timing. I can't help how things occur. So, what it one thing it'll help is it'll it'll shrink the the part-time hours because now we won't need those part- timerrs to cover as much here cuz she'll be here every day. Um, but basically it would just be would it just be moving a line from like a jail officer to a jail corporal essentially. I think he's got to take a sergeant down to corporal over to here.

It's just taking that the officer and the additional 3,000. The officer would make it would be a corporal, but we'll absorb that and we won't take five. Yeah. Nothing changes with the sergeant because I got to have her role in the jail. But I'm not allowing I'm Yeah, I'm not allowing her to come over here as a sergeant. She can come over here as a corporal. So you're adding a slot for her to bump down in two. So really really it would just be taking one of the jail officer 11 to 11 and bumping one of them up to the jail corporal. It would just be switching those two spots. Does that make sense? So you're going to go to five and 32.

Correct. Yeah. I don't have those numbers in front of me, but that's what So currently there's four corporals. Yes. And then 33 jail officers. Yes, sir. So, yeah. So, it would just be Yeah. Yeah, that's what it would be. So, you're moving that full-time person to where? Court security. Okay. Rather than having But she's going down into jail officer. Is that what you're saying? She would bump down to core. She'll she would bump down to one. So, basically, whoever gets promoted to sergeant, then she'll she'll leave that sergeant role stay as a corporal. So, I'm just adding taking one of the jail officer lines and adding them to the as a corporal so that we can stay fully staff with supervisors in the jail.

Yes, ma'am. And so, it just be taking one of the jail officers and bumping them to corporal. So, it would be five and 32 is what you said, Tim. Yeah. Thank you. And that'll still cover your jail responsibilities. Okay. Yes. Because if the sergeants often the corporals run run the shift, you'll have a a corporal here who's managing court security, which is the folks who sit here and the folks who sit across the way at Hooser Square. Correct. How many how many besides that person are those folks all part-time? No, Eric Eric's full-time. Um, five. Yeah, there's some there's some kind of dual role people, but for the most part.

And how many part-time? What are we down to? Steady. Yeah, but we could I mean I if I lost three or four of them tomorrow, that wouldn't be surprised just because they're there. You wouldn't be surprised, but you'd have a hole to fill. Well, with having her. Yeah, that that helps tremendously with the coverage with uh instead of depending on part-time. Okay.

That's like Terry and all the old Yeah. So, are you we we were having some conversations yesterday about part-time rates and the three different tiers. Are you comfortable with where you are uh with those part-time folks doing court security or do you feel like those folks need to be bumped to that next tier? Um, so are they making 18 or 19? 18 BAGE, whatever you want, cuz there's a like 19 there's a range 19 to 23 for the next tier. I mean, we're we're relying on those guys to carry guns and be proficient with weapons and

you know, they're basically the front line from stopping anything happening here at the courthouse. I mean, to me that that you don't need them till you need them. That job is worth more than than 18. Um, I don't know that it necessarily needs to be 23, but I think maybe well you have the flexibal is 19 to 23 for people with special skills. So, you decide what you want to Okay, you need to know that now. I sort the money, right?

I mean, I think since we're making I mean, I think 20 would be fair. Um, and with having adding, even though we're not adding money to the part-time budget, with adding Jen Mcnich over here to absorb a lot more of those hours, I think we should be fine with what the part-time money is. We don't need their individual race. We just want need to know that he wants to bump them to that third tier, right? They want they want to get close to, but we just didn't want to get them get something out of line with somebody else that, you know, and all of them do the same duty, so they should all really make whatever we decide they should all make that same, which Yeah. twice a month. You guys think that's fair?

Well, we just were looking at what the part-time skills were for different levels and they're currently at level two which is 18 and because they are special they do have special skills which is that next level three and that's between 19 and 23. So someone who is carrying a gun I think that's qualify for special skills. So, and that range is 19 to 23. But we do ask for council to approve, you know, that change. So, in discussions yesterday, I think everyone here believes that anyone who's licensed to carry a gun or trained to carry a gun, then uh that's certainly qualified to me as a specialist.

So, we're we're open to to changing their level from two to three, but that's also your call because it's your requirement. And so you you have you said five full-timers who work court security. Don't worry, the recording's on. The loose here is full. You have five full-timers who work with court security. And you're not concerned about that. No, they're all all the people that work security are senior people that have been here quite a while. And the jail officers that wouldn't be cutting too close to what they're getting paid. Well, and I think the when we had talked about this before lose, they also get a very nice benefits package that

you know they're not we're not paying to those part-time folks and you know that that is a if I do with happen to lose three of these I don't want to call them older guys but senior guy senior tenur guys experience thank you is that appropriate Glenn is that nice he's super experienced especially with happy and right so um you know it would be hard to probably attract many people that want to come do that for for that rate. But so we're going to leave your budget 115, but change their I mean you can start paying them 20 and 26 if you want.

Okay. Yeah. Just playing right burn up your imagination instead of Is everyone good with that? Yep.

I'm good. It says everyone go with the Jans the next it comes out of county general as well. So everyone's good with the bullet money that they get and then the other part of the jail money is county general portion which is $787,000 and we've had to move all their health insurance into the commissioner's budget. So this is there's just a few changes. Um I I remember inmate medical going up. So that's not out of the ordinary and that's the big change. Is everyone good with his county general budget for the jail? And then we moved uh camp security. We usually move that into house and that's the same.

Everything else is impacts the same. So that's everything I need the jail and the sheriff's budget. Any other questions for the sheriff? Uh Shane, we when we had juvenile I think it was juvenile in here the other day. We were talking about uh fresh fruit and whatnot for the juveniles. Does does Kathy procure any of those things? Does she procure all the rest of the food just not that or does she get that for them as well? Do you know? Uh, I thought they said somebody else goes and Well, I think we said that. Yeah, Leah said that. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's not that's in juveniles budget.

And I think that you said that typically they procure that rest the rest is Yeah. And it's it's been a little bit of a challenge over time with it's gotten better, but I mean as we were sending food over and they admittedly were just throwing it away and because the kids didn't want this or didn't want that, they would eat some other kind of thing that they want instead. So we've kind of fixed that waste problem. So, um, but I think, you know, I think we do we probably they probably get some fresh fruit they do from like the I know sometimes it comes out of the juvenile

the clearing house has like extra stuff that they can't get rid of and going to like we try to use utilize that the best because they're going to throw it out otherwise. We just know how far the matriarch's able to stretch her budget to get a lot of food for folks. And if she had better uh ability to acquire that that healthy fruit for them versus I don't know if we're just going to IGA or going to the gas station or if we're going to Kroger where I'm not sure, but I mean we can encourage whoever is doing that to communicate and figure out if we can order through the company that um because I mean some of the food companies we get rebates. Some that doesn't have a big shelf life either, right? It would be a conversation between Josh and and the matron, but u it comes out of the juvenile budget.

I said matriarch and I said Yes, you did.

Any other questions for the sheriff? Any other questions or comments for the sheriff? No, we're done. Thank you very much. Thank you, Dennis. I'll uh I'll check in this and I'll give him a call. Thanks for getting us back on schedule, Phil. Yep. Thank you, guys. appreciate your flexibility.

They picture that. I always forget to say she's the best. She's the best. They both keep they both keep me straight. We appreciate all you do. Thank you very much. So, next is the health Dr. We like

he's at work. Sorry, it's not simple. Our last location number 140, but I'm having trouble finding. It's all the way. Yes. Well, then yes.

My last usually what I do is anyone once we finish one I pull out and have them separate so my pile keeps getting smaller but this year I didn't do that. We were bouncing back and forth so much. Okay. All right Amy see what changes we have. Put that over here. any leads on your vacant nurse position? We actually hired a new nurse. Her name is Natasha Hall. Um she started two weeks ago. Okay.

Leah, did you put that placeholder in there for the cola? Yeah. Okay. Let me say so the health we change the shifting to $5,000 of nurse to learn that was really okay

and the reason we wanted to do that is because when I did asset mapping for a community I found that health navigation was a huge gap so I've required that clerk to become a licensed health navigator um which not only are there very few of them in the county, but with all the changes happening uh to Medicare and Medicaid, we need a a health navigator and she's right there on the spot. So, so that's helping people get

it connects them to their insurance or any changes, all of those things. Yeah, it's a it's a really rigorous licensing. Uh the test is 100%. you can't miss anything on it. Um yeah. Um but again there are not many um SIO used to do them but they only cover one portion. They only do Medicaid now. So it's become necessary. People getting used to the new location.

Yes. Um I can I don't know the numbers since then because I've had a lot happening. Uh but from March 17th when we moved in until uh May 31st, we saw four times the number of people than we saw the entire year before here. What are they coming for? Are they coming for vaccinations?

For everything. We don't just do vaccinations anymore. So I have all the clinical staff out there. It when I talk I just want to preface this with when I say regulatory that means food and sewage. When I say clinical it's everyone else. Um, so everyone else in the clinical space, I train them to do everything. They can all do everything except give a vaccine because only nurses can do that. But they can do blood pressures, um, we do glucose, we can do A1C, we do cholesterol, lead testing, STI, HIV, um, hepatitis. Do you think that increase is because of accessibility there or do are they sending them straight from one side of the street to the other?

Um, it's accessibility is a big part of it. Um, a lot of those services, especially around harm reduction and some of those other testing, people didn't want to come through security, walk past prose, walk past courts. Um, so that's been part of it. And then, you know, if you've got four kids in a pumpkin seed, it's very difficult to wrangle them through security. We have a lot of seniors who can't find us. And then, you know, we we tracked for two years the complaints so that we we had some good data before even deciding to move. Um, but especially for our seniors because we, as as you all probably know, we have an aging population and they need a lot of additional care. So, it's been really great for them because they can walk straight in. There's no stairs, nothing like that to manage.

I guess my only concern I can see I definitely understand the benefits. My only concern is like with the health money going down. That's what I said. I just don't know how sustainable that's going to be. if there's going to be funding. Good question.

Um, I thought ahead way before we even knew there was a cut. So, we we've been doing pretty good so far this year already. We got an additional 600,000 in outside grant funds. Um, I myself without any of their earnings of permit fees or anything have made is this 60,000 in outside funds. Um, so we're we're actively working on that. I have two grants sitting on my desk that are due by Friday at 5:00 PM. So, we're always looking for additional funds. Um, I I those two things are not affected by health first. Um, the health first is really rent. And I you can ask Leah can attest to this. I've banked some rent. So uh we're good for a while uh to give more time to see what opens up because a lot of doors closed very quickly um after sin dine and you know immunization and those kind of things happened but some other doors are starting to open so we'll be able to I'm hoping supplement but it's been a very odd time I don't know the nicest way to say that but it never before ever in my career lifetime Have I ever seen governmental changes happen this quickly and swiftly? Um

yeah, because how health first went from what million 150 million to 40 million. It went from 450 million to 40 million. Um it did. So our cut was 72%. Um but I think we've done a good job of fitting the needs into those budget funds. So that the the cut that you're anticipating for 26, we've already had to budget for that and submit it to the state. So this is good.

Yeah. So we're I mean for the next two budget years from the state that helps first will stay at the amount we have and like I said, we did a really good job of budgeting those funds. Um and we have other funds to supplement. Um and again I things could change 20 times between now and the end of the week. I mean, that's kind of what we've been living in since March. Uh, but I I I'm confident that we can continue to maintain the services that we're providing. So, in the past, the health department has provided employee flu vaccines in this building and and we will continue to do that. We we kept the shot room in the location here just for that reason, but otherwise citizens can go to your location on Billby.

Yeah. And we still have we're doing outreach until the new bus comes. I'm only laughing because they keep putting it off. That's been a two-year thing, but they tell me that it is now um in final stages, which is quality control. So, it should be here in the fall. Um and that is the size of a school bus. It's got two full medical bays, a full restroom. So, um I already have a route through the community plans that we will also be in those rural areas for flu shots and samp for everything. We can do everything from that bus that we do in the clinic. Uh but we again have an aging population. So, a lot of those seniors need us to come to them and that was a grant.

Um no, that was our COVID uh vaccine reimbursement funds that paid for that. And then the maintenance of that is some where is that in this budget? Good question. It's not. It's not. Um, however, uh, fuel and everything else. I mean, well, we've never had to pay for diesel, even with the old bus. So, I I never even Where do you get it? From the counter. It's not a lot. I mean, if you look at the log, it's it's very, very minimal. Um, then down the road, like say for 27, you're going to need to have something in there for repairs. Oh, and we can we can Yeah.

Um like the this huge CDC foundation grant that I have right now for linkage to care,

it it could cover some of those things, too, because we have this for multiple years as well. But timing, we didn't know. The state wanted budgets early and they're just not on the same time frame with those budgets as you guys. Of course, health is important to everybody, and I think that preventative health is cheaper. That's one of the things that to me just blew my mind. Like, why would you why if you're battling a Medicaid deficit, why would you reduce health first because you're going to save money in the long run? I mean, not even like thinking about the, you know, human lives or whatever, but just dollars and cents. it doesn't make sense to cut preventative care

because you're going to pay for it more down the road. So,

would you mind putting that in a letter that I can take to my legislators because that's a big part of it. I mean, when they introduced Miha, which is make Indiana healthy again, um all of those points that they discussed were all things that were part of health war that they had just cut the funding for. Uh, but preventative is is definitely our focus. Um, we have a grow tower in the lobby. I mean, we get places to give us things, too. I'm really good at finding stuff. Um, so that we're offering fresh vegetables um and greens to people. We're doing dining with diabetes. We're doing food as medicine as well, too. We

is that done at Billy? All that stuff. Yeah. If you haven't been, please come and visit us. I miss I miss the grand. Yeah. where uh Dr. Swanson was there. Um but if you were in this clinic and then you come out there, it's just How big is the building? It's I I'm not good at measurements. It's pretty big. Um they're in a bottle. No, the upstairs is still unfinished. Um but we have offices.

We have two separate exam rooms fully stocked. Um we have a storage room. We have our CPR room. We have an education space. So, it's it's really been helpful. And we can hold classes there now because we have extended hours on Wednesdays. When you give out where you get free shots, do you is that based on Well, we still ask if they have insurance. If they do, we run it. Um, but if they don't have insurance or they're underinsured, then then we have a checklist that shows us they fit into what's called a 317 program.

Amy, I'm not knowledgeable on this at all, so forgive me, but the the VIMDOS clinic, is that what it was? The volunteers in medicine when that closed, do you think that attributed to your uptick in visits or I was on that board? Okay. I abstained from a lot uh being where I am in the health department. Um those were whole different issues. Okay. Um and it did not contribute to our uptick. The numbers we saw there were not large and they were uh counting duplicates uh which you really can't do in patient care you know um because that was just meant to be a intervention

uh but also a place to get connected to insurance and we lost that health navigator through St. Elizabeth who volunteered their time. So again, that pointed to that gap in services. Okay. Um but once the bus comes, we're going to have a stop in Aurora just to capture those people who maybe go to the clearing house or a few other places. It wasn't many. Mostly we were getting people who just needed prescriptions. Get your address up there. 272 Bilby.

Thank you. Uh, but don't ask me to spell it because I I always think I before E and I think that's right, but people tell me I misspelled. Is that right? Uh, we're Monday through Friday 8:30 to 4:30 except Wednesdays we're open 8:30 to 7. Um, and then again when the bus comes that that route will change a bit. Okay. I mean the the hours. All right. What was the address again? 272 Billy. So next to all those apartments is or condos.

St. Elizabeth for some reason owns the Google tag for that. So I mean even when we were getting deliveries, they had a hard time coming because it would show up St. Elizabeth and I they don't know how to get I just put Dearborn County uh health department in Google Maps and it came up down here. Yeah. So somehow I don't know how you change that but I still I still get a lot of FedEx for them address here. So when when when it was Dearborn County Hospital and we sold to St. E, was that part of that network then and then St. E didn't want that building or did we acquire this building? I understand that, but I'm saying how did we get this building? An investment firm owns it out of Indianapolis. We rent and we rent it. And you pay that with the grant money? We pay that with our first funding. Yes.

Wouldn't that be nice if you buy that building that's water upstairs? It's exactly what we were just thinking. It's empty. Uh, Seth Grineier is the owner. If you'd like to be connected to him, Seth Grineier. He's in Indianapolis. If you want to be connected, I'm happy to connect to him. But I will warn you that uh yeah, he's uh he wants a little over a million for the building. But I'm going to warn you that upstairs space is there's nothing in it. Nothing. Like it's just a floor and a ceiling. That's it. There's no plumbing or anything. Uh there's plumbing uh but not like built to a restroom or anything. It's only for the cell phone. It's 175,000 years.

But it's huge. That upstairs space is huge. It's larger than us downstairs. I think Dr. I think Dr. Schwson and Rob Tease from Farmers Retreat, they owned it. we could find. And then they sold it to this guy from Indianapolis. Yeah. Premier Properties, I think, is the name, but Seth is is the gentleman. And um I'm sure he would be happy to unload it. It would work for soil and water because down below you got a big big parking area. Well, there's plenty of parking on that top end, too, right? Talking about semis and stuff coming in. No, that wouldn't work for that.

Yeah. No, it wouldn't work there. Um, but it's so big like it wouldn't just be you could fit multiple departments up there. Honestly, put NRCF and soil and water. You're thinking the current owner is looking to offload it.

Oh, no. I know he wants to sell it. I know he does. um in all of the negotiations that we had for the leasing because initially we were going to move into the upstairs and they were going to roll the buildout into the rent, but it just something happened in that had nothing to do with us. It was more on the construction end. Um and St. Elizabeth was vacating their lease. So the middleman called us and said, "Hey, they're vacating their lease. We know you want to move quickly." And so that's why we just went ahead and rented it. it was moving ready for us and we didn't have to do anything. So, that helped a lot and it saved on the rent and some other things. Um, but yeah, that upstairs is empty and he he would love for someone to

So, I'm just trying to think like, okay, so you're paying us out of Health First Indiana monies, right? So, if if the county were to purchase that, you the rent money that you're currently paying would not Well, then we would pay you. What do we mean? Well, that's my question. Legally, yourself. Legally, could the county charge rent to a county agency? But that health first, could that be used on buying a building?

You're only allowed a certain percentage of capital outlays. So, we couldn't use it to purchase the building. Um, but we could use the funds to renovate because we didn't use any for that. And you can use a percentage of that, you know. So, in renovating it for the health department, you were re renovating it to the second floor, but maybe you could move the health department upstairs. Uh, well, no, we wouldn't even have to. It it still would be um as long as they're a partner who works with us. That's that's we're talking so water. And we did just do a big back to school event with them. So he's got more than that.

Yeah, because you guys all yours is set up with Swanson's old examination room still in there when you went in. Did Well, there was some changes to it because it went from from orthopedic surgery to urology and we had like the X-ray machine and stuff to move, but it was more beneficial to us that way and and it would be we would rather stay down there, you know? I mean because it's why waste money because medical buildouts are more expensive than office buildouts. So it would be it would be the sort of things commissioners would have to well like she said the rent goes up every year. So you'd be really kind of

s we can use a certain portion of that health one for those four bear wouldn't have to move back downstairs. Um, and again, we're we I I can't think of a part of the county government that we don't partner with in some way, shape, or form. Like I said, we just did a huge back to school thing with Soil and Water, and I'm happy to email that report to you guys if you want. I mean, we we helped a lot of families get ready for school. Um, and I know that seems like an untraditional partner, but it worked out great. Yeah. If you don't mind that, I'd like to have that email. Can Can she just email it to you and you forward it to us if you don't have? Yeah, I'm happy to do that. How many square feet in that building?

10,000,000. And you're twotory, right? Yes. 5,000 on each place. That's Well, the top's a little bit bigger, which is the weird thing. I don't know why, but it's just a scoch. How's your heating and cooling?

Uh, now that it's fixed, wonderful. Um because it does already have all the HVAC in. Um the guy who came to maintenance it did warn me that whoever the initial builder was didn't complete all of the proper HVAC settings. So there's been some tweaking and rebuilding of that that that we didn't have to pay for. I mean but it does have water. Um if you want to look at it, we can let you in because we can get to it from from our space. This is a thing. It' be a collaboration between commission and council and commissioners would want to have to buy it and council would have to be able to provide the funding for it. But it's something I think that we certainly could explore.

Yeah. And like I said, it's so big you could fit the pool. Well, we're paying rent for the county extension office of like 18,000 a year. That's federal paying that, right? Yeah, we do. That's Yeah, we're paying the county for all the essential pension the feds are paying for the NRCDS. Should they pay us and FSA? Okay. Rent out there on, right? We do a lot with the extension office a lot. I mean, like every single week we're doing something with them. I mean, they just came and rolled some of our equipment. So, yeah. I mean, yeah, it would be helpful to us, too, because again,

good synergy there. So, let me ask you that. You have to have bids and we can't pay any more than the highest. No, I think it's you have to have at least two appraisals and you pay the average of the two. Yeah. Ain't that right? Well, that better appraise, right? What do you think? You're in real estate. I mean, that's what it was when we bought the CBB building. That's what the statute was or whatever. You had to get two appraisals and it was the average of the two real estate pretty high like right now. Well, you're kind of, you know, if you're talking a commercial building like that one, that's kind of a strange location for a commercial building for other uses. I'm thinking of more or less retail or

Well, it's definitely better that it's for sale. We're not pursuing them and saying, "Would you consider selling it?" Yeah. And it's going to all be up to the guy selling the thing. You can't pay it, right? No, you can't. We could look on Beacon and see what he paid for it. 1054. 1054 is all million54. Oh, a million54. Million54,000. I think so. That' be some cost in doing the second floor. Yeah, you'd have some. We already have a pro for worked out down here. Don't worry. Yeah, but you'd save that 18,000 that we pay. You'd save the 9,000 that they're doing. What's the 18,000 uh extension?

Extension. We pay city in 2021 is purchased from 54. Yeah, that's 18,000 a year. Do you also pay their utilities and stuff? Maybe she talks about that include that that includes janitorial as well. Some that's one% feasable. That's one of 1600 a month or something. It's worth it's extension office up there and water 19 from NRCS and FSA if they were leased from Sure. I wonder if the federal government can pay the county like that. That's what I say.

I don't know why. But we pay Aurora. So it's one entity, you know, non- taxable entity to another. I don't Thanks for everything you're doing. Put on the radar for the commissioners. something we will consider working with the commissioner has contact and I'll send it to these guys. Yeah, no worries. Um, not building related. Did you have any other questions? You're doing a great job. Thank you. It's our job to serve the public and we want to provide them, you know, with the best care that we can with what we have and we will continue to do that for as long as we can. Uh, but again, we've increased what we do. It's not just given a vaccine. So, right.

Um, just keep that in mind. We do a lot of things that aren't traditional. So, appreciate it. Thank you. No, thank you. And I would uh mirror Shane. I call a wizard all the time. Because she has that hat, fun hat. Yeah. She's old numbers. But these two ladies are phenomenal and and right back at you. Thank you. We've got some good counting people. employees go up there and get a boo shot. No, we'll come here and give them to you. That we'll get an email for when they're going to have hours here. Yeah, if he wanted to stop up Oh, yeah. You can come anytime you want. You can if you want to just come out there, you can.

Wait till you get down here. Yeah, we can do it. Just go around back. But the parking lot actually goes your round back. Yeah, it does. It's not like you're get around it built like on a hill. Then you just go around down two ramps and then you do the beacon up there. Yeah. Thank you so much. No, thank you for your time. Thanks. No, thank you. And I'm sorry to the back to school. a little bit contact information.

Um, we have layout plans, you know, if you got they could get you could get some heard coming in on WSC where they were looking for potential. Thanks. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Do you uh I was telling him maybe there's probably some empty office space back industrial too. Industrial, right? I know. Uh well, it sounds like it sounds like Mike's got one Dearborn had been working with soil and water and proposed a site and said, you know, you can have this site. So, I would like to think they would have any any building availability they would have that's in their inventory anyway.

Oh, yeah. Like the athletic club or something. That's what I said. You could put they could actually drive semiis back there is that parking lot talking about building a you guys actually too that guy's appealing building it's not worth that much because the upstairs is not done. So at his word it's not worth that much money. Yeah. He's appealing. Who's who's appealing it? The guy who bought the guy who bought it. It's lowered the value and we could only pay the average. Yeah. Going to steal. No. This is a $100,000 building. You're right. We can already pay the assess value that Megan has on that building is not correct because the upstairs is totally empty. But what he paid what what she got on it. Yes.

I can't remember what it is. 8.94 or something like that. 8.93. So So he's going to take less than what he paid for it. So he paid that's the assessed value and he's trying to get that knocked down and we're supposed to be close to market. But so he's actually saying that it's not worth that 899,000 and he paid one. Everybody says that when they're paying taxes on it. I guess not. I'm glad he don't sell it for that. We circle back to location 51. Where did we end up on the tomb? 2187. Did we end up with 1.5 or not? Plug it in.

That's the first place we're have to cut. I mean you that's what if if you're going to try to get balanced that's probably it. Right. Right. Because I I would like for us to finish today. I think that if we you know continue making some serious pro progress and this was discussion was off track but it was was worthwhile. But I just think that if we can focus focus focus when we come back. Yeah. Um,

and my my comments to Todd were that we would still invest that kind of money in roads and streets, but that doesn't necessarily mean batuminous. We just talked about four different bridges that were throwing, you know what I mean? So, it's which could have been part of a community crossings grant. So, we're throwing well more than $1.5 million towards road and that was my that was what I said to him. Hey, to me and from what I talked to people when I ran for office was roads are a priority and we're going to continue to invest in our roads and all that. Everybody uses the roads, right? You can't just say you know other things that we deal with certain groups only use them. Everybody

I just I just wanted to say that I had didn't tell him that but I did not say and then it can all go in batuminous. We need that you could you can't get a word in edgewise with it. Oh yeah. Well, you can tell that he was really worked up about himself. He was worked up before he even came in when he started. Oh, yeah. I even said lighten up a little bit. He didn't even crack a smile and he was he was wound up. So, you've got it at at 1.5 still. Yeah, I just plugged it in at 1.5 just to fill it in.

So, you have all the numbers plugged in except for the prosecutor and extension. There were yet, but you don't have them plugged in at their requested. You have them just zeros, right? Well, what is it without? What is it with those at zeros? And then we can just add in their two total budgets currently. I guess that 116 county

you guys were leaving planning as it is except for the 3% wre So that will take it to last year, wouldn't it?

You know the location number for the extension office? you guys last night for your walk and then water leave it as is with rent with

I'd leave that $20,750 [Music] is usage. I think we almost have to because if they don't have access to the feds have she updates those numbers and then if the prosecutor and extension are at zero on hers the requested budget Lynn has two that are in county general and the extension that's right about $2 million. So, we would add $2 million whatever Leah has and get a where are we currently?

I actually did an extension office. Oh, okay. So, 17 time circuit. or he requested an additional 20,000 in part.

That's because he was gonna That's because he was phasing out that girl, remember? Yeah, that does make more sense to do that. She whoever he's got working for him. She's gonna go to part time. She's pregnant. I think she he said she might be pregnant. Maybe she retired.

Okay. Well, I guess two don't go together. The lottery here. A lot of people retire. Yeah,

there was going to be no net change of the dollars because he was going to throw some in the parttime and then some bumps to those other people, but we'd be saving the $20,000 in health benefits for that person. What's up? The ice house. Yeah. Yeah.

Water on on the semis. I think that's more or less a convenience. That's what I was going to say. That building based on probably doesn't happen very often. No, there won't have to happen at all. I was more curious about the equipment. Don't don't so they they they park like no til drill and that kind of stuff there. Three parking spots is all you need for that. Okay. Yeah. It doesn't take up I didn't know if they had combines and that kind of stuff there too. No, no, no. It's just a no deal drill and a brilliant seed. Yeah. Okay. I mean it could fit everything but the pro and what do you what do you have? Yeah, because I think the no field is maybe what eight 8 to 10 football

with everybody but the prosecutor at 22567 and then if we add 1.6 the prosecutor's 1.6 six. So it be 23 242 currently. Is that good? Prosecutor's county general is 1.1. She has two county general funds. Right. The next one is 521. So all together that's 1.6. Two

of that is reimbured. But we still need to Yeah, it's a 2.6. She's got one new case work. So is that good? Dana's question. I don't I mean go if you go to our We need to be at 22 to be balanced, right? I mean, our total operating receipts are 219. So to have a So to be truly balanced, we got to be at 22. So, we're that's putting us basically two million in the river boat.

She's got 1 million river already in there. That's 2 minutes at 1.5.

Okay. So, my experience is is we break for lunch, come back fresh, and then we can u at some point le a break to give us where we are. Okay. And Indiana just got rated like number one in the country for road quality or something like that. Did you see that? Number two. So let's just come back to visit today one o'clock. What do you need from us?

No, but I'm with you. I was really expecting Todd to say something about these dead end roads that he was talking about last year, but I guess it was all pie in the sky. One thing one thing that everyone needs to think about is is his request for a box. Yeah, he makes compelling arguments. This is not your not to say bad. Let's go get some lunch. Okay, we'll we back at one o'clock. Did you call him? He said, yeah, he said he'd uh meet us to D house.

All right, I'm going to goober and head somebody else to buy some I can hit up grand and I'll do the live stream on it. So if we talk about anything first Wednesday of the month at noon everyone. Oh it's going to start hear it. I hear it when you go.

Let's go to the ice house and sit by Mark. Go for it. Oh crap.

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Hey, Aaron. All right.

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We're the first ones back. Look at that. We were worried we're going to be late. Well, we should name that they drive up to Will's Grill every day. Must get a proven or something. Sauerkraut on every day. We eat the same thing. I told Granny like my dog. I feed her the same thing every day. I eat so fast I got to stand up a lot. Tell you what, my belly is full walking down that street. We didn't get our food till like 12:40 something. So you had to eat it like somebody was going to take it from you. Exactly. Oh, Pinhead's still eating when we left his brother.

He'll be down there. He won't be worth the [ __ ] golfing tonight. Yeah, he'll be drunk. He He even if he wasn't drinking, he wouldn't be worthy of [ __ ] I played with him before. I know. He ever tell you about that sign, did he? He played He had to play with the women, didn't he?

We went up to Well, that was different. We went up to Brown's run. We We left We went up there with Frank Bo. It was me and him and Greg Gra and I think we left about 7:30 in the morning. We never got home till 4:00 the next morning. Jesus. We went uh we went to every bar from Hamilton to Middletown to Hamilton to we ended up at the Kayata Club. I still have my golf shoes on. We was playing pool and me and Greg was partnered up and uh hell I was standing on the pool table and everything else on the side of it, you know, trying to back flip off of there. It was crazier and [ __ ] But all of a sudden, Pin Head said, "God damn, how many guys are playing pool?" like just me and Greg against them too. So there's about four more of them got pull sticks in their

hand. Oh god, I remember them days. We I one Friday we got off work. I had my still had my FedEx uniform on. I we had to work that Saturday and I never did change. Stayed out all night. Went right back in. Yeah, bad news. 1:00. Where is everyone? We've been here waiting. We've been getting our food at like 12:40. Needless to say, my belly's tight. I had to eat. We had to eat quick. Our belly's tight all the time, buddy.

Here's an updated thing, which I'm with you. I say we just keep it as is. Yeah. I think there's one guy who might push back on the on the park fund, but I feel pretty uh firm on that. Really ain't that much, you know.

Hey, did you get that? No. text he's I'd be willing to give him the uh he made a he does bring a lot of money and he just he's his own worst enemy. He won't shut up. Mhm. He comes off. Yeah. Pushy and Eric and this that and the other. But looking at you know I'd be before giving him some more money but I don't have that's way he feels I told this I thought she maybe said more than 3% but not what he's asking

because he's going to get the other part if we give cost of living. Yeah that's what if we do have halfway to ask him but then 3% on top of that. Yeah I'd be I'd be willing to do that too. I'd go up. I told Liz we didn't do ourselves any favor though because we all we made a decision two days ago before he made a sales pitch and we all said no no give the 3%. You know what I mean? So yeah that that was compelling. Yeah absolutely. He could have done that without that call. Remember I told you s story I he was worked up. We can tell that when you said you didn't knowledge it wasn't even acknowledge like you couldn't like

you know it's cuz we need an afternoon coffee. When's the barista come by? Yeah. No doubt. I don't think you need any coffee. You've got enough energy. Yeah, you say that. But we I'm like a I'm like a hummingbird. As soon as I sit down, I fall asleep. When I come home from work, if I sit down on the couch for 10 seconds, I'm asleep. Really? Probably because you go full theme. I'm using after anytime after seven, I'm like, "Yeah, my hands. Thanks for the fun distribution." So, who do we got to look at still? The prosecutor. She's coming in. That's it. An extension office.

Extension's coming, but I already There's nothing really there, right? Nothing on planning and zoning, right? You didn't change anything. What? You took the money. You took that the 3% pay increases off. Well, that that probably took him down to the last year, didn't it? She added some extra stuff in there like for our work something permitting. I wonder if Andy did this. When you want to send that or Hi Bailey.

Yes. We've got two members are not going to be able to be here this afternoon. I'm sorry. Just being Hi. How's it going? Good. One of the interns go a lot. I have to spell that at my house, but he's even get into spelling it that she's on to it, too. Oh, well, Denny's gonna miss he he'll be back this afternoon. He'll miss tomorrow. He should be back to death.

Oh, I thought you said we had chew here. He is all right. Oh, really? Yes. You won't send it on the Jeff. I did. I did. You're grown in your business. Well, it was. Well, actually, uh, Dan and I drank water and pin head drank there for us. I'm glad you weren't there. It was my day to buy. So,

he was still he was he was still there when we left. Yeah. But we didn't get our food though. You know how fast we got our food yesterday? It took forever today. We went to the same place. This whole basket's full of the green lifesavers. Bunch of people sitting outside. The problem is great, but I just it can't get past the color of green. All right, Lyn, we're still waiting on two more here. You're fine. I told Dan I was going to get a salad and then when they came I didn't get a salad again. That seems like a gym move. Wait a second.

Interested to see what's going on. So Mr. Mondell got 25 years. I know. Not enough without less. And I knew that was going to be the case. It's just disgusting. Um, Stephen Harmire from 812 called me last night. He had just done an interview with Molina and it's on the Facebook page. She graduated last year. Yeah, she's in her sophomore year at UC. She's studying to be a dental hygienist. So, you guys have seen her case numbers.

Sure. We asked Missy to come over for the new spot for child support that we were asking for. So, welcome. Yeah, it's unfortunate. But did you see him? They had a picture of him when he plead guilty. He doesn't even look like the same. So, he's gain weight shaved his head and Yeah. whole different person. So, birds feel sorry for his kids. Are they still living? Is is her dad wife dad passed away in April May? Yeah. Answer. And the mother had already passed up, right?

Yeah. She was gone a couple years ago. The one brother lives on Blue Creek. I think it's Blue Creek right off St. Peters. He and the wife have two children of their own and she's a hygienist in Oiler. And um she's got her and the husband have the kids. They finished their basement, but then when I was at the bright parade, somebody said that they were going to keep the house for a little bit. So, the house and picnic woods. I'm sorry. The house and picnic woods. Yeah. So, but I don't know how long that plan was. I mean, it was a friend of the family, so they may not know either.

Maybe if Melia gets a job, she can maintain. Yeah. when she graduates. The oldest daughter. Oh, they had a lot of old kids, too. Yeah. Way down to two old boys. Yeah. 15 or 16 months at the time of the incident, wasn't it? Yeah. And then um the youngest one was six weeks, something like that. What? In the car, too. They were on their way to JC Penney to get pictures at Rain Avenue

and we thought we had it. I mean, because in Indiana for murder, you either have to show the act occurred in Indiana or the result occurred in Indiana. We knew the act occurred in Ohio, but we knew we had seven minutes to get to the state line from where we think the shooting occurred. And our pathologist at um Hamilton County Ward was like the doctor goes, "Yeah, even she was fine. She's pronounced at the hospital." Well, when you actually look at the definition of death, it's when the act actually occurs, not when it's pronounced. And she was like, "Yeah, you're still fine." And then at the last minute, Jefferson and Garrett hired an expert. He was a pathologist out in Cleveland, Ohio, Kyhoga County. He goes, "She bled out right away." And so then we go back to our expert. She goes, "Well, let me go check with somebody else at the office." And the other one at the office was like, "Based on death when they reviewed everything." Yeah, we tend to agree with them. And we're like, "Seriously, we went to North Carolina. We picked up car seats used as an exhibit for trial. I mean, we had

spent a bunch of money." Yeah, we did. And you're just like, "Are you serious?" and we could have went through with it and it wouldn't have been double jeopardy. But at that point, why waste, right? So then we met with Hamilton County prosecutors and then we shipped everything over there. The detectives came because we had about 12 boxes of because we already had all the pictures developed and we have to make two sets. One we enter in for evidence and then one we keep. We sent everything over and then when we had that meeting that day at Cincinnati, there was four of us that went over, John and I and Derek Stevens in the sheriff's department and then the one who did our cell phones, Rodney was

they said, "Okay, well, we'll get back with you." So then the detectives go, "We have all the evidence. We're giving it back to you or all the binders." I'm like, "What do you mean you're not going to be taking this?" They're like, "We'll get back to you." So then we get out to the parking lot. We all the boxes back into my car and then we start to come back over. We get to the airport and they're like, "We'll take them back. We're going to take the case. We thought you were trying to dump a dog of a case on us, but it's it's not at all. So, we'll take it." So, were they public defenders for that? Uh, no. Jefferson ended up Yeah, I think he was over there, but he ended up staying on the case over in Ohio. And then there was another female that was appointed and then

as public defenders as public defenders. And then the prosecutors they had to change trying to draw a blank on her name. Melissa Yeah. her last name. Well, she lost the election. And so there was a Democrat who won Phill Melissa Powers. Melissa Powers. Yeah. They said everybody left. This was like a mass activist over there for attorneys. We kind of knew

EMA Jason Sullivan. He's not related to them, is he? No, different family. Yeah, he's from Dillsboro. Yeah, I knew Jordan s her brother. Yes, he was married to Mandy Clint years. Okay. There's Jordan and I graduated with Jason from East Central. He was the oldest and then Jordan and then there's another brother sister I think too. Holly. No, that's Stacy's wife. Oh, okay. Yeah. The only girl in the family was Stacy.

Okay. So we're advising everyone who appears that when our financial consultants gave us the u look for board for what our revenue looks like for 26 because of Senate Bill one we're not only not flat we have a deficit of 800,000. So, Senate Bill one is still being analyzed and other uh associated Indiana counties is looking to contract with perhaps Dr. Lared the board Purdue he's retired now but to go through budgets county by county and see what the impact is but the initial um information from Becker Tilly is that we're going to have a deficit I mean flat would have been bad enough we're going to have a deficit of $800,000.

Wow. So we're having to make some difficult decisions decisions. I asked Missy to come over with regards to the new position for child support. Would you like to hear that first? Would that help or is that something that's not even being entertained given what you just were talking about? We can just start wherever you want. We'll have to cover it all anyway. So,

okay. Well, um I'll just go ahead and get started if you'd like me to or Okay. Um, I just had passed out some statistics for the office of kind of what's going on in the office. I think it's always kind of interesting for you guys to see what the prosecutor's office is doing. Um, I know last year we came juveniles tended to be the the impending crisis, but last year slowed down a little bit. Um we had a few pretty serious and significant cases that started in 24 and that bled over into 25 that kids that got waved into adult court. Um there were four of them. One was like a possession of pornography. He was a student at E Central. The other was a boy um Strazinski. He was a student at one point at South Dearbornne and he uh committed an intimidation at um someone Long John Silvers or it's one of the fast food restaurants there in Aurora with a weapon. Um he got waved and then we had two serious one being a fatality and one being a serious bodily injury almost catastrophic injury. Well, it is catastrophic injury from 74. Um One was a young man from Ohio. His case is still pending. He got waved. Um he ended up killing his friend on 74.

Um they were speeding too fast. They were racing between two cars thinking he could kind of slip in between his little Skyon. Um it didn't work so well. He caught the back end of a Ford Explorer and ended up rolling it. and his friend who was in the back seat would have survived except the big signboard that was out there um for the speed reduction ended up getting the backseat passenger in the head and he ended up passing away. And then the other girl we have, he's out on in home right now. And then the other is a female. She just got moved over to the adult jail because she just turned 18. Um this happened last September. She was from Northern Kentucky and um it was right around the same time as the other fatality on 74. She was driving too fast and um ended up striking a retired state trooper from here in New Elsis Tom Becker and he was in his full motorcycle garb. Thank goodness it's probably thing that saved his life. Um she ended up crashing him into an I-beam there on 74 and um he was at university for close to a month. um he really has no feeling, can't move his left arm, he has such nerve damage. Um so her case is pending and like I said, I think she just got moved into adult court because she just turned 18. So that was kind of what we thought was like the impending trend of what we are seeing. Um while juvenile filings are somewhat down a little bit, at least as we're looking at them midyear, um it seems like what they're doing is pretty serious though. So, we're seeing a bump right now is in Lawrenceburg City Court. For whatever reason, officers, especially state police, are traffic citing a lot of people. Um, so we have those. Um, Superior Court 2 had a had a busier year, not off by much from what Superior Court one has, and circuit has had more

filings um this year than last time, last year, this time. So, that's kind of a little bit of what we're seeing. Um, it's interesting that our trends are a little bit different here in Dearborn County. Statewide, they're seeing less misdemeanors and level sixes being filed, but more major felonies. Um, and what they're seeing across the state is that, and we're seeing a little bit of it, that what's happening is tends to be more serious and more time consuming than some of the lower misdemeanors and level six felonies. So, um, it's just kind of an interesting trend. I mean what you see before COVID and then um after COVID I mean we were kind of on for a record year and then COVID hit. So um anyway I just give that out if that helps give any information. Um other officewise there hasn't I didn't request um much of a difference for anybody. I think it was more targeted for the employees that work hard um for pay bumps. The only part that I fell short on is Maddie Schmidt. She just left my office and I requested a budget of 72,000 for her position. Um I actually need 74,000. I just ended up hiring Jessica Butler. I feel like musical chairs for attorneys. I've really struggled this past year. Um, we lost Jake Hawkins to the DEA. You just can't compete with the federal government when it comes to salaries. Um, he's starting at like $110,000. So, he ended up leaving, I think it was in, was it May? April, May, that sounds about right. Um, so then he left and then I hired um,

who did I bring in right away? Oh, Jonathan Punkle. He bumped in from Superior Court 2 to Superior Court one and then um, I had Dean Behovven and then it was right around Fourth of July. I ended up firing him. It just it wasn't working. So, um, I've been covering Superior Court 2 since the beginning of July and, um, I've just now been able to fill the vacancies. It's been interesting. I listed the vacancies at the local law schools at being Chase and Kentucky, UC, and IU Indie, as well as a state prosecuting attorney web page. And I only had one resume, um, which is astonishing, but I was able to actually snag them here locally. So Brendan Jones, he's an attorney over at Kirch Kashner or over at the firm with Kirch Kashner, um, Votel and Schwarz. So he's joining the office here this coming Thursday. And then hopefully in the spot here where it's noted as open. Um, and then I have Jessica Butler. She just started yesterday, so she'll be covering um, juvenile court because I lost Maddie Schmidt. Um she covered city court and juvenile court fort, but um Maddie just had a baby in March and it was too cumbersome for the flexibility that she needed for having a new infant basically and then two children from a prior marriage of her husband. So she needed more flexibility than what the criminal world could the government world could provide. So she's um going to a private firm. So that's kind of been the the musical chairs of the attorneys in the office. So

that's on your schedule enough for the Jones.

Yes, that part's fine because I have that as 95. Yes. The only goof I made was the one with Mattie Schmidt. That's 70. If I I just need $2,000 there. Um then the only other request is for a new case worker over in child support and I had asked Missy to come along. She's the supervising attorney for child support um just to kind of talk about the need for one um if we're able to make this happen. And I'll turn it over here to Missy and she can share kind of what things are going on in the office. If we're able to fill the spot, that would be wonderful. The person who's interested does not need insurance. Um, so it's one potential savings, but um I'll turn it over to Mrs. Fishy, runs the Ins and Outs on a daily basis at child support.

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I'm not as tall as Lyn so sorry. I was just going to share with you some of the statistics about our child support office and tell you a little bit about what we do if you don't already know. Uh we're pretty elaborate in our processes. We handle paternity establishment. We actually do DNA collection here in the courthouse. So we do that for all of our cases where we're trying to establish paternity. We do child support establishment, medical support establishment. Then we modify those amounts. We do contempts for people that aren't paying. Uh we have processes in place for enforcement of child support where we can do a fidum against people's bank accounts. So we monitor the money in their bank accounts and we can pull when it hits over $500. We do tax center steps both federal and state level. So if somebody's not paying and they're going to get a refund, we can pull that. Um we do income withholding orders to their employers. So that allows us to pull the money directly from their pay and not not let it get into their hands before we issue leans on cars, homes. Um we are increasing our felony nonsup support. So we put those in as well. Um and then part of kind of some of the numbers that we have now I'm going to share both in uh Dearbornne and Ohio because we cover both. But our 2024 collections for Dearbornne were 3,474,000. For Ohio County, they were 281,000. Our case load for Dearbornne and Ohio in 2024 is about 1,380. Our case load as of May 22nd um of this year is 1,357. The way that breaks down is I have four case workers. I divide the alphabet based upon the percentage of cases in the letters. case worker right now is covering uh 345 cases.

If we added a fifth person in, it would reduce their coverage to 276 cases. The division of our duties within the office. Um so I have Jennifer Burwanganger. She covers 25% of the cases. She's in charge of our state um software and all the changes there. She runs all of my reports and monitors how we are are trending because we are graded as we perform to the federal and state levels and we use those reports. We're audited so we have compliance processes. It's a very compliance driven position. She also covers Ohio County. So she travels to Ohio County every other Thursday and she is our certified DNA collector for LabCore and DDC. So she does those functions. is Jennifer Baxter. She covers 25% of our case load. Uh she manages all of my calendars and scheduling, which is quite a feat. I'm in Dearbornne Circuit, Dearborn Magistrate, uh Judge Mclofflin, some Judge Clary, then Ohio County, and then I also get special prosecutor appointment cases out of the county and special judge appointment cases out of the county. Oh, see Miss Tiny Nola, she is my CSA. So, she's in charge of she receives all the communication from the state, from the child support division, and we have a lot of compliance processes that she works with me on. We're just coming up where we have to do our FBI investigations. We'll have to all be fingerprinted, background checks, all of that compliance because we handle federal tax returns, state tax returns, and all of that privileged information. and we have to have all of our protocols in place so that there's no disclosure of that information to the public. And then Susan Lane, uh, she has 25% of my case load and she's also our receptionist. So, she sits at the front

desk and handles all of the walkthrough traffic. Um, and then I have uh, investigator Lesby who does a lot of our serving, locating. That is a huge thing when you know when we're trying to get people in court, finding them, get them getting them properly served and that that is definitely a full-time job. And then we have Tammy wait that sometimes covers our front desk. So the way Judge Neckard is handling like this morning I had um 20 cases set at 9:00 basically. So it's kind of a rolling who's there. Everybody sits in the courtroom and so my case workers all have to be there with me because as their case gets called, they come to the table with me and presents the case. So there's nobody downstairs. So then Tammy comes over when we're in court and just covers our front desk for us for um the 4D claims that were submitted last year. And this is reimbursement money that comes back to you as the the county general and an unrestricted use for Dearbornne 4 2024. it was $313,922 and for Ohio we brought in $28,000. So those are kind of those numbers. Um I know I've thrown a lot of things out at you.

Missy, you said 1380 cases amongst four case workers and you also mentioned trending. What is that trending up? Is that fairly flat the 1380? It's been pretty consistent. We really try um so we have a lot of protocols where we can manage our cases. Unfortunately, with child support, you're you're somewhat of a babysitting service. So, we have to have a lot of review hearings and hold people's feet to the fire. They do a lot of job changing where then we have to issue new income withholding orders to new employers. It's a lot of just following people, tracking them, trying to keep everything in place to keep the money rolling in. So, I wouldn't say the number of cases is changing, but definitely

the amount of work per day. the amount of work I think has increased. Um people are not maintaining employment like they used to. They change jobs very frequently. It's it's very transient right now. And especially once you start garnishing wages, right? Yeah.

Yes. Yes. And once so if I if I do a fidum on somebody's bank account, then they're not going to put money in a bank account anymore because they figured out that I can pull the money. So then they'll put money in other people's names. It's like it's kind of a oneanddone thing. once I get the hit, I probably am not going to get it back. So then I have to look for another avenue. Um, we've also had so January 1st the the guidelines for child support changed and it resulted in about a 20% bump in the in what a person pays based upon the calculation. They hadn't been changed for oh my gosh probably 15 years. So they were very not related to the current economy previously. But then in January everybody kind of went to a bump. Well, for modifications, we're supposed to modify the statutory criteria is like a 20% change or one year. Well, with that automatic 20% bump, everybody's eligible for modification. So, in essence, then all of our cases were outdated.

So, now we're in the process of trying to bring them all up to the current level, which is more of a cost of living level. It's still low. If you look at my basic case, like two people at minimum wage, which is still 725 an hour, which nobody really makes anymore, for 40 hours in Indiana, the basic support for one child's $51 a week. So that's kind of what you're looking at. Nobody gets rich off of child support, but it's a very needed thing, especially in the current state of the economy. Who sets that standard? That 20% bump. Who sets that? It's statuto. Oh, the the increase in in the guideline

in the level of child support. Isn't that what you said? So, the previous guidelines, if I had calculated somebody's factors, when you do a calculation, we look at gross income. Do they have other children? Do they pay support on other children? Do they pay a health insurance premium for the children? Do they have child care costs for the children? How many overnights a year do you spend with your child? Those are all factored into getting the magic number of what child support is. And then there was a guideline and when all those factors it would spit out the number and say this is what your child support is. Well that schedule was about 15 years old. So they inflated it to try to bring it in today's dollar. Who's that? Um the Indiana Supreme Court. Okay.

And then the the legislature when they approved the recommendations the Supreme Court sets the schedule and then it gets approved. Um, so then that created that 20% bump in almost everybody's calculation. So now that made everybody eligible for a modification this year because that's what the statute says. It's one year from the date of the order establishing the amount or a 20% change. Plus gets paid from two different pots of money. One from county general and then pre-trial diversion

maybe a month of all the child support I think we calculated about 40% or duties or something I mean there's a calculation all

and as part of the process we um our department is definitely busier than surrounding counties I can give you some numbers I'm going to give you the 2024 numbers. So for our Dearbornne is 1268, 1268 cases. Ohio is 112 combined creates my 1380. Compared to Franklin they have 591 cases. Ripley 894, Switzerland 259, Decar 951, Bay Fet 878. We are definitely a much busier department even given that we have two counties even if we just looked at Dearbornne and we we provide um I was just in Ripley on a a case where I had Judge King as a um special judge for me and I jumped in their office just would say hello. They they only go to court one day a month. I go to court 12 days in a four four week a month I'm in court at 12 days. because I um I have hearings Tuesday, Wednesdays, and Thursdays. Wednesdays being the the biggest circuit court. Thursday morning's my DO2. Thursday afternoon noon is my Ohio. And then when we have spillage, then it goes to Tuesdays. Judge Clary kind of bounces around when I'm in there. He doesn't have as many cases. It's usually when he's been appointed as a special judge because that's just not how he's carved into he doesn't have a lot of cases in in in the carving out of the the judges that fall in my arena unless it's something that he got appointed on. So I have two two questions on the on the budgets.

Yes, more than two, but on this first question that I have is in the prosecutor's budget problem and in the in the prosecutor's place proper I mean your your basic budget your first budget location 18 and then it's also in uh county general for the 4D. You've got Ohio County's salary portion in both of these. Are they not reimbursing or how does try. I think it's going to fail. We were attempting to do what Aaron Netgard had did last year with he was successful in bringing the Ohio county employees over into so that's and they pack Ohio county pays

correct and the budget hearing for that is next Friday and I'll be honest because of this whole Senate Bill one I think it's going to fail this year so I think it's probably all moot I mean to be perfectly honest what shows up here is an expense to us rather than a we could take it out if that's why I left. Yeah, we could take it out. I don't think Ohio County is going to go for that this year is what so I don't know that it's because it's an additional 20ome,000. Correct. Well, in your budget at 67,772 and in 4D it was 39 almost 30,000.

Okay. It would be Ohio County would be their portion is different. That would be their portion. Okay. Yeah. I don't I don't think they're going to go for it. So, how do we handle this here? I mean, if she if she doesn't think it's going to pass, I can just zero out those Ohio County portion. That's why I left them all separate. So, if it didn't work out, I could just zero that one.

We'll know next week the hearing next Friday, but in talking to a couple of the council members down there, um was the same reaction as what you had advised me of when I started. So, I mean, it's there's other ways I can go about it too with Ohio County. I can also go to the attorney general and ask for a mandate from Ohio County and that might be the approach that I take because um it's not fair to it's not fair to the employees of Ohio County and I don't think they quite understand that some of the employees down there are getting the benefits that they're not able to receive because they've been brought under Dearborn County. And so there's an ability to petition or challenge that through the attorney general's office Davis. But I have that's a whole different proceeding. So I that might be the way I need to go. I don't know if you need to hold my budget until my own county meeting.

I can't do that. Okay. We're finishing today. So it doesn't make sense. I'm having trouble figuring out this is showing up as an expense, not as a as a revenue. So if you were to zero that out, then Ohio County would still pay their portions in Ohio County, not correct. They're not money. They're not paying per, right? So then you have to adjust everything going down just the per and the social security. Okay. So going for us for a different county doing our 26th budget in adjouring this afternoon. Should we zero those out? I can't answer that defend.

Well, we can't we can't stay in session past this Friday. So, we're going to have to decide different county's budget. We plan to decide different county's budget today. So, we're going to have to proceed one way or the other. Either leave it in there and and hope that it changes or zero it out. I think probably just zero it out because realistically I don't think it's the beautiful thing that Judge Netgard has that I don't is the power to mandate and I don't and so honestly I don't think they're going to go for it considering how you approach anything down there they don't go for

okay so this probably isn't the year to do that. Okay. And I'm just trying to defer to you for the the judgement call on this to two of the council people. I don't think it's realistically going to happen. And that's two of the ones that were probably the most friendly to me. You know what I mean? So, okay. Realistically, I don't think that's going to happen. So, you're saying that we should zero those two items out? And social security, right? We put a county's portion in just in case. She's saying too because we have it split between two different places. We have it in location 18 and then we have it in your 4D.

I didn't know how Leah ended up breaking that up so I don't exactly know what you're referencing but yeah take out the additional portion for Ohio County budgets and then Tom McCay is retired now. So retired they have a new person in mind. They won't be starting until next year. Um, they're at a pos they're in a spot right now and so they're attempting to wind things down, but I will have an investigator for next year. Well, will the pay be similar to Mr. McCay's or will it be? No, it's less. Okay. 80. What was it? 85.

82 is the total county's portion is 20,000 sheets. So, I don't know if that number needed to be adjusted. I have it as total $2,000 position. Yeah, portion is $8,162. So, I have it at 73,000 from your lawyer. Where else is it?

It comes from County General to make the same portion, the same salary. Okay. Then you also mentioned that you had uh given some people a a bump. Was that a

pretty nominal? I off the top of my head. Um I think it was a small amount for like Sheffield. Um, whether I have my numbers from last year with Affenburgger has an investigator. It looks like a bump. Yeah, I think it was like a thousand or two um for the Heights crime because quite honestly, we're lower than what they're paying across the state. Um, so every bump that you have in your budget is more or less merit based based because of job changes or whatever.

Correct. I mean, I think there was a small one of maybe $1,000 to Miss Pendergast. Um, I think the Fulham were in your child support division. Yes. And Christina Martins was a a bundle of about $1,500. And

she's a contract employee. So the benefit there is there's no benefits at all paid out to her. It's just straight contract. And I'll I'll be honest, um the investigator that I'm hoping to bring in does a lot of white collar crime. And you'll notice a lot of these salaries come from um C's assets account quite honestly and splendidly. And I I understand that it becomes a a bit of I don't like to use the word slush fund, but it covers a lot of salaries and it'll enable a lot of benefits that hasn't cost the county any money. And I'm trying to keep that fund going. Um I just hope I'm able to because if not it's going to force me to have to come back to ask to meet that. But the person who I'm talking to and I think will end up coming over does a lot of white collar crime. So hopefully we can continue some investigations for um and help bump up our ceased assets because there's a lot of things going on that with unpaid taxes or especially with the vape shops. Um they're pretty notorious um for what they've been doing and other things, but It's just trying to catch it. And having an officer that likes doing paper cases is a different breed than ones that like to do drugs or other things because the paperwork's far less and they can get in and get out. When you have white collar crime, it's less subpoenas of bank records and business records and tax documents and not everybody wants to be doing this. So that's the hope is to keep that money coming. And we've also been doing a lot better in getting additional assets in with um diversions and deferrals because usually at the end of the year Leah sends an email that we're in the red. So we're taking the money out of seized

assets, but right now we're in the black. So that part's exciting because a lot of the parillegals their additional salaries come from diversion and employers. So I mean I'm trying to take as much as I can from those fun coming into the office to offset them from my request to be less. We appreciate that. My budget I'm sorry for getting it in late but doing my budget is the biggest pain in the backside. I can't imagine how bad the sheriff's is, but I don't know. Mine's mine stinks. There's too many different pots of money. Well, it's different funds and different things and when you got two count two different counties. So, you were hoping that different Ohio County would cut the different county check

of what? Yeah. So, that's a process. So, perhaps next year that could work out. Well, and then I think going through the attorney general's office, I honestly think that's what it may come down to is maybe a lawsuit. I don't know. I'm sure that wouldn't be well received, but I don't. They have to be one of the few counties in the state that doesn't pay the benefits. I mean, those employees aren't receiving those benefits, right?

I mean, when you have employees, the crappy part is you have employees that are nearing retirement that I have. I have Nola Tiny. I don't know when she's going to retire. She keeps that very close to the vest. And you have Amy Becket who I'd say within the next five years will be retiring and a few others and you look at the pensions and I think what is the best of the last three years. High five I think. High five. Yeah.

So when you have Ohio County that's paying um $16,000 maybe to Amy that's not even getting included in her purge. That really hurts. You have Nolaini who's like 101,000 that's coming from Ohio County. That's not being included. and that you know and your employees are like and you get warrant coming out of Dearborn and less out of Ohio which isn't fair to Dearborn County either but if if that that system that Aaron has in place then all that would be calculated in their for them to pay in and then paid out of Dearorn. Yes. So okay

and I realize this isn't probably a year for that given the new Senate bill. Well, our budget was advertised to be done this week and that's why there's no way for us to wait on what they're going to decide to do. We're going to have we have to fisher cut bait today. Sure. So, understood. And I hate to put you in that position, but that's that's the way it is. Well, given the response I received from two of the county council people, I'd imagine it's going to be pretty much across the board. And they're similarly situated too. Yeah. with the cuts not as same extent but any other questions for pass. Well, thank you. Thanks guys.

Thank you ladies. Yeah, hope you consider that additional position if you're able. So basically on on your 4D, do you get any of that reimbured in the is 23? Um if I talk to their consultant, they actually I get he said a little bit more than that back just because he's able to cherrypick like even if somebody's not paid in their 4D budget, he knows how much work each of her employees does on even though it's shown at a county general like about twothirds of that would be coming back to us. He's pretty good at getting money back. Okay. Yeah. And the numbers the 313 922 and the 28,000 for Ohio County, those were from Matthew Lowry from Malcon. So

yeah. Yes. But they have been great to work with and they have saved us immensely on our audits because when we were doing them on our own before it was a nightmare. Well, they they wouldn't cut us any because we weren't a hired consultant. So, you know, they and we're the only split circuit in the state of Indiana. So at one point they said, "Well, we want you for every phone call, every email, every time you touch a case, we want you to keep track. Was it Dearbornne or Ohio?" And I looked at him and I said, "So do you want me to collect child support or do you want me to make tally sheets?" Because I can't do both.

I mean, we sit in Dearborn, but we we handle Ohio, we handle Dearborn. It's just and with our numbers, we're busy. Yeah. And so I said, "Prove to me where you make another county do that." And they can't because there isn't one. So then we backed down, you know, backed them down. But as soon as we hired Malcon, then they were like, "Oh, well, you do everything perfect." Yeah, it looks great. So, it was kind of, you know, worth their money. Yeah. Where's the new position she listed in here? Yes. It's in the 4 day budget. For what it's worth, I'm glad you're going out for the the people. Oh, I see it. Got it. She's busy. That's my two be reimbured.

We get lots of nasty emails, don't we? I don't I know but that that ought to be the first bill they pay. Well, they're not unreasonable amounts. And when you look at, you know, the cost of things women who have people who are trying to hide from us how much it is how much more than your concern, I usually say, well, that's only three happy.

I know, but I appreciate That doesn't seem like Well, most of us, you were sucking up. Oh, look at that. You're the first one that didn't pull that out. Walk through there. Tim and Tim and uh Dan both got it. Thanks so much. Beautiful. Hi guys. extension location.

Are you going to leave that position in there? Then I'm going to leave it because I think two of reimburse the person is not very important for getting money out of these out of these guys and women whoever don't pay. And when you look at their case load, I mean to go from 345 cases to 276, I mean, I don't know how they balance that many cases as is, but you know, I mean, give a little more care and quality to those all those cases, which are all every one of them is important to that family. I agree. I couldn't agree more.

I had three kids in school, three different families that their dads were arrested as dead dads. And one of them was even on FBI most wanted. You know, their dad had never paid child support. Yeah.

Hi Liz, how are you? Taking Jeff's place. We are working on it, but it's about my page, right? powerful. Was that a surprise to you or did you know that was potentially coming? Retired a little bit both. Yeah. Okay. Retired from some changes. So did Purdue itself is are they the ones who hire in place

extension? But we answer uh our director of extension answers student president of the university and the propos. So yeah, it's all tied in. He's in Kentucky now, right? So what is is UK have an extension or who knows? Yeah. Every every state has to have an extension program. Um but every state is run differently. So in Kentucky the uh extension program is funded through property taxes and um lucky has not done that facilities

business county has a phenomenal conference center he's in Kenton County um he works in independence and also in he is uh basically county extension director which means he's being administrator for about 15 people. So, yes, we're missing I'm missing every day,

but I'm sure we've got folks from surrounding counties. If I have to have an issue, we call them. We've got different people for different questions. Um, so we're still providing services. Uh, we just don't have him in the office. So, and I don't have any updates. I asked my area director yesterday said sorry updates at this time, but they are working on it. Liz, you can come on up here. You can work through your budget right now.

Well, while we're talking about extension a little bit, I do have a little infographic to share with you all. You guys can look at it at your at your leisure. Just wanted to give you a little bit of an update about how Marcia and I have been keeping ourselves busy for the past while. So, we we do keep ourselves pretty busy. Okay.

Oh, no, that's my Thanks. Yeah, I think and I I don't want to take too much time because this is a budget hearing and it's not really about this, but I always think it's good to let you know a little bit about what we do for this money. Um Marsha has been exceedingly busy this especially this past spring and summer. Um she's been working she's got a get walking program that she is administering that helps people get active through a walking program. Uh she's offered several matter of balance which really focuses on helping folks strengthen core muscles uh that are needed for good balance especially in our elderly. Um dining with diabetes uh is a program that she's been offering to assist those who are trying to get under control their diabetes um and teaches them cooking and and basically menu management. Um she's also been doing well she does Captain Cash every year for like almost every third grader in Durban County teaching them about money management and she's been doing this is her fourth session of food is medicine and again it's it's basically helping folks understand um how food is so vital to your health and how you do the Mediterranean diet. Um she's also been every Saturday at the farmers market from June through October uh doing something called uh power of produce program and it's primarily focused on kids and getting kids to start eating vegetables. So she's that's been a huge commitment. Um so she reaches the adults to the parents but it's really focused at children. I have been very busy. I've reached over,200 kids this year. um nearly a hundred educational programs. So, hundreds of hours of programming uh teaching kids life skill uh development and positive youth development period all in all in a row. Um some of the examples I go to juvenile detention every month. Uh I work with youth with special needs. I'm

writing curriculum uh presented at a national conference for 260 uh participants about curriculum for for educ for for 4 educators to teach kids. Um I uh Marcia and I have been busy doing my empowerment which is program we offer for young kids uh elementary fourth fifth sixth grade again trying to teach them some things about how to make healthy decisions as they're coming up to that that critical time in their life when they're going to be challenged. So that's a little bit about what we've been doing. Um now we can just get on with the rest of it unless you have any questions.

That's great. My wife went to that Mediterranean diet thing down there. She enjoyed it. Good. Not been working for me yet. It's a big Mediterranean beer, haven't they? Yeah. Cutting out beer and red meat. That's

uh a lot of the health and human services things a lot of correlation and and do you have a pretty close working relationship with the health department? a lot of the programs that she's doing right now, food is medicine, um has been uh and the some of those uh some of those other ones and I can't I don't want to say because I'm not exactly sure she works close hand inand and the health department has given her quite a bit of money each year to use towards materials for those programs because um like that that mediterranean diet she has to buy food and she they prep it together and they take it home. So there's a lot involved with that. So yes, she works hand in hand with Amy. Okay, next. She's a dynamo.

Well, the only real change in your budget that I see is u the contract for computer lease and maintenance. The other the first item is educator. That's actually set by Purdue. Right. Right. So, yes. Um yes. And we as I said, we will be we will they are working. I I'm trying to get some transfer people interested, but we haven't gotten permission yet. I can't reach out to them. And it it's not my job to reach out to them. I just I always try to be proactive. So, we get people in Dubron County. I stole somebody from I stole Jeff from Decar County and I'm trying to steal the the ANR educator there now. So, of course, don't talk about that, but um yeah, we're working on that.

So, that salary probably stay about the same. Oh yeah. Okay.

Yeah. As far as the the only addition that I made u is that we have been told that they they are no longer providing a warranty for our computers. And so we've been asked uh they offered us a program where we can we need to get insurance damage insurance on our computers that we have in the office. And it works out to be $315 per year. And that's over a 4-year period. So, we'll be asking for $315 for the next four years from 2026 through 2030. Uh, and that's just to cover the warranties in case something happens. And the only reason we found out a it changed how our computers were sourced. And so, they went uh they're working, they did a deal straight with Dell. Well, we didn't find out till after the fact that Dell only gives a 30-day warranty. So, I actually had a problem with my laptop last earlier this spring. Found out, oh, it's going to cost me $500 to get it fixed because 30-day warranty was, you know, isn't very long. So, that's why they put this in place that we tried to get those covered so that we can have and we have six computers in our office.

That covers all six of them. Yes. Pretty cheap. It's Well, yeah, exactly. So, I mean, I think it's a deal. um it's so so much money per computer and again it's over the course of four years. So yeah, it's I think it's a good a good deal for us. We certainly appreciate all the support that you've given us in the past and I'm sorry to have to ask for any increase this year, but I I had to put that on there. No, I totally understand that. Appreciate the information. Anyone have any other questions? Okay, thank you. Do you have any questions?

I got a personal question. Do you got Do you guys have any dog training tapes down there? I don't, but I I have a phenomenal dog trainer. Her name is Crystal Hulesman. Um I'll send you her contact information. She's phenomenal. Yeah, we've been with our kids. My daughter, is she still a clover bud? I think not supposed to do it for insurance purposes, but you should talk to Crystal to see if maybe she could start coming to some of the meetings. That'd be good. Yeah, some training meetings. So, thank you. Thank you all. Appreciate it. It's nice to see your happy faces today.

Y Blackberry. Liz had one, too. Order in the court.

So, we're leaving all this the same. We really don't do anything with that one. The SM is the same. Maybe we need to turn the lights out and turn them back on. Maybe the view will change and then develop. There's really nothing. you what you thought best or favor you done or well we need to make some final decisions here

I don't even know for that one Dennis is playing out the budget we have not looked at is um tourism but there's really nothing to be done there home which I think stayed the same and then redevelopment which is pretty much the And the change all the location 50 sheet. I can't find that one or the one of our families.

No, I guess redevelopment. She said actually went down a little bit. They raised their attorney fees and their professional services. You have to blow crazy. Andrea never build them. That's right. She didn't. She didn't literally hand.

So, as far as I'm concerned, we've looked at every budget we need to look at, but then we need to make some final decisions. One being the request from Mr. Lististerman for pay bumps. Any thoughts on that? I I thought his I think Todd's uh his own worst enemy sometimes the way he goes, way he talks in the meetings and stuff, but I can't I can't argue with some of the results he gets bringing money into accounting stuff.

I mean, he does work for the commissioners, right? He does. So, I wonder if usually, you know, he's their pointy. You would think that there that his bosses would if he's done solid with him that they would come and you know support that as well, but I just wonder if he had any discussion with them about it. I think in the 20 years he's been here that's never been a an avenue that he's ever taken and it's never come from the commissioners. Uh so I don't think that's ever been I feel like he did three years ago. I feel like Jim was lobbying for him three years ago when that phrase Good handle.

Really the only time I remember Jim coming was the time for uh Sue. Yeah. Well, we made in order to finish today, we need to make a decision on on we need to knock these out one by one. So, Mr. Listman is making 11680. He's asking for his rate to go up to 130. and we've all heard the justifications for it from him today. So, we need to know or we need to make a decision on if it's bumped and if so, at what level? We discussed this Monday afternoon and night already. Yeah.

We have a consensus on how to proceed with this.

I think he does. I'm I personally know how much time it takes and effort to do some of these commands and I can understand where he's coming from on some of that stuff. Plus, I found out that once you once you have been through the grant process, you kind of have a feel of what they're looking for or what they're not. and you know on these community crossing grants I don't know what kind of contacts he's made through that process that could be invaluable to us. Uh maybe maybe he has or maybe he hasn't but I know it seems like he can get a lot of money for a lot of these projects. I think in recognition for the amount of u years he's and I think the professional is the county engineer in the past in Don Countyy's distant past has been was never all that professional. I think Todd because he is an engineer has brought a level of professionalism to the county and actually he's he's done a good job as county engineer. I don't have a problem with giving him um a merit-based increase based on the fact that he's done I think a really good job for the county as far as bringing our standards up. I would I would like to settle at something closer to like 125 so that there is a a bump but also let him be eligible for whatever county cost of living raise the county were county council decide to give at the end of the day today. So, we can do nothing. We can do 125. We can do the 130.

Okay. Any thoughts on Todd? He's at 160 now. He's asking for 130. I'm suggesting 125 plus whatever goal of the county be about 9. 9,000 plus 3750 if if you know if we did go with the 3%. So that' put him about 128 something then would it almost 129. So are you good with the 125? I'm good with the 125. Dan,

I'm good with either 125 or 130. I'm good with either. What are your thoughts, Tom?

I go both ways. I mean, I agree wholeheartedly that he brings that value and the numbers don't lie. I agree wholeheartedly that in the private sector he'd be getting paid for that, but that's part of working for the government. I kind of don't like that the commissioners didn't come to lobby for him because that's how and the way I remember that's how it happened a couple years ago. And I wouldn't expect every department had to come in here and make a lobby for their own pay increase, especially after we had bullet item number seven in yellow saying don't put increases in there. But I could easily be swayed to get on board with the 125.

Yeah, I agree with Tim. I mean on everything he said, but you know, I feel like it should be handled differently. kind of like Dan said, you know, but it is what it is. So, well, it's it to me it's like it's the end of the day. So, it's like fisher cut bait. We there's no time to put the clock back. Well, I understand. I'm I'm just saying. Yeah. In a perfect world, this is how things would behave. So, does he deserve a raise? Probably. So, uh, but do we uh do do we uh are we are we encouraged to,

you know, let somebody go this route again, which is probably not the best way to go. That's all. Yeah. Mr. Gravy came in and said, "Here, I didn't I had nothing to do with this. I didn't request that and I held my number strong where you told me to hold it and I followed directions, you know." So,

so we're are we giving somebody an incentive to not follow directions? Well, this is this is not the first time Todd has done this, but we have never, you know, made an adjustment based on his request. I think that I think to me at this at this point in the is service to the county. I think that even though we asked people not to put in any like the two, three or 4% raises in their in their different ones who asked for a merit increase. So, and that's why I'm thinking that I think Todd has proven his value to the county. I would like to not give him what he asked for almost on principle but make a substantial adjustment to his his level of pay so that we are recognizing what he brings to the table. The commissioners to my knowledge have never really weighed in one way or the other. So it's this the ball is in our court and it's the end of the day. So we need to decide if it's if it's 116, 125, 130. And it sounds like we're

I'm good with whatever. But I I do just like you said, Lynn weighed in with Mayor for her people and it's that's different than weighing in for yourself. So, right. So, but it's never been my experience that the commissioners really weighed in on this over the years. How many directors come asked for a raise for their self past? We've had some. I couldn't tell you how many. If you're I mean, if y'all are adamant at keeping it 116, then No, I'm I'm fine with whatever everybody says. I'm just Yeah. struggling with

There should be a protocol going forward. That's fine. You think we'll be fine? But we can make it like our protocol that uh going forward how we want we want to act. And if we get our budget request, if there's an increase, then I think maybe we talk with president and commissioners about is this your recommendation? You also put your stamp of approval on this. So going forward so we can hopefully get out of here today. Are we going with 125? Everyone's 125. Now is that going to include or excluding that we whatever you will also get whatever cola the other employees get on top of the 125 or on top of the previous

on top of the new rate just like the people who got merit. So I'll take 128750 because all the people who got merit increases will get whatever $12,000. Yeah, it's a pretty good race. I would kind of be in favor of the 125 including That's what we're saying. We're saying 125 plus plus cola. You're saying 125 plus the cola and take him to 12 or that cola is already included in that included in so 125 is just what he said is what you're saying. All right. I can live with either one. [Music]

Plus the cold. Yeah. I I agree with Dennis because basically when you're doing a merit on all of the I mean if Leah had to go back to every merit person every person got a merit bomb and had to not give them a cola then we would be here all day. Um I'm good with the 125 and the cola too. I can go with that. I'm good with it. Let's do the 125 plus the cola. I think five of us are in agreement with that. So I I've agreed to it. Okay. Thank you.

Yeah. Because the only way I look at it by the time you take the 125 plus cola, it's not that far from what what he's asking. That's right. You know, you're I think he's getting I think he thinks he's getting a cola on top of 130. No, probably. I don't think so. I don't think so. But at the end of the day, that's not he's not. So either way, it don't matter. We ought to be happy with 47. I think it's a pretty good faith effort. And in my opinion, every year is a different year. But the next three years, it's okay. What's the same coal that everybody else is getting? We bumped you up to your highest four or five years that he needs for his pension or whatever and rewarded him for his work.

Is that what you're going to do? The 3% cola. Well, we whatever it is to keep doing the I'm just doing the math on is increase. You have it for two, three, and four% or is it? It's four, three, and four, and five. It's two, three, and four in every budget. 1%'s the easiest math. Well, besides zero% is great. That's easy. Didn't you say it would be like 315 Leah? Yeah, that that was at 4%. That seems low for some reason. I thought it would be more higher than that.

I don't think last year was like 290 when we was at 3% last year, too. No, that was at that was at 4% when we got four last year. Are getting rich. So in county general the ones that are paid out of accounting general up to 4% is cost the county 315,000 but some of these are out of other funds. There's going to be other this is just the county general part. So we need to figure out where else we need to that two minutes line item from the highway department was the other one we

right you you took out all that other stuff that we talked about with Todd right in [ __ ] bridge you took the culver down to 150 culverts down to 150 okay you took all those other things out.

Well, I told them he was he's invade um our reserves. Yeah. Who would invade that? And Leah said, "We're actually sitting closer to this than that 11 because the stuff that was advertised out of all." So the other thing we need to decide on Todd's budget was the um community cross match and did you lower that to six and I think six is going to be on the high side and the other said four. Yeah, we said four. We came up with 390,000. Yeah, the match would be 390 if it got a million and a half.

What fun? Came up with the highway. What location were we talking? 51 51. Okay. Yeah, we did do four. And on Batuminous, the 2187. Yeah, he asked for 1.5. Are we good with 1.5? Would you're doing 1.5, you're invading your reserves. I mean, that's all you're doing. I mean, you're That's how close you want to get to balancing the budget. I mean, and he's going to cut the roads from the bottom tier up. So that's

so location 51 21807 between he asked for 1.5 and we need to decide what we're going to end up at. So where can we talk about our overall numbers where we stand as as of right now? What what do you have plugged in for that total right now? 24075 session 50 24075 750 What do you have for patunas in that 4.5 is that got raises in it? Yeah, but that's got and that's got 4% raises in it. Okay.

What was our target number? our total receipts for this year and that includes she puts in riverboat at 2 something million. Yeah, she's got $2.5 million for out of riverboat and our total receipts because of Senate Bill one is roughly 22 million. So then if you were to approve a budget at 24 million with receipts of 22, you have a deficit of two. So you'd be eating into that reserve. So we're at 22, but that's with already taking 2.5 out of river boat each year.

She took two and a half million out of riverboat. She kept LIT shares flat, which I think that it'll probably go up at least four or 500,000, but she's a CPA and I'm not. But I I would expect the LIT to go up a little fast, but she was probably waiting on ST on the numbers from Department of Revenue. Well, we did it earlier to numbers before we did last year. We actually had a bump and because we're paying that money back, show the state for that formula.

So, I was surprised we got a bump last year, but we did. So the the lip she's shown is 5.2 is the same as last year. But year over year from 24 to 25 it went up by 600,000. If it went up by another 600,000 this year and instead of being short 2 million we're short 1.4. I would eating into this bottom this pink line right here number two. And how much do we normally use from the river boat? We use two and a half. I mean yearly what's what is it normally do you know every year for the last for the last two years before

we're 24 and 25 don't in a perfect world we could in a perfect world we probably couldn't be using that right both the time exactly services but use that raise but maybe Exactly. Let you raise taxes growth push. Well, we really want to we're trying to bridge the 28, right? Everyone's going to have to change that in 28. I mean, in the next couple years, we just keep doing that business as you get to 28. I mean, otherwise you'd be turning everything upside down.

You ain't lying. Yeah. are just make that in months are just basically creating a stir of the I can't help it for a couple years anyway. The only the only thing that I will I would say is you always have to keep in mind that of that roughly 14 something million that we have

sitting in reserve less the other $2 million that we're talking about. So $12 million 5.8 8 of that is from the high point sale to Sandy. That's not money that we generated from taxes or river vote or anything else. So 5.8 of the money that's sitting in that pink line number 53 is from the hospital sale in 2030 that other 5 million gets released. Does this does this part though is that what we're talking about what you're using yearly that plus some some from somewhere

that's 2 point 65% of 2 say 9 million basically 3 million that's what that's what the supplement that's what we're supplement and that's 143,000 down But that comes in every year. It's been fairly steady, but it's I mean, so we're not really eating into our reserves if it's coming in every year. It's got two and a half million here and we're show a little bit.

Yeah. and we're showing that it's generating we're taking for county general roughly two million. So that's in here. I mean, she's got $2.5 million. We're only putting 2 million in that. So that $500,000 difference is eating into that line 53. Well, it's better than the 2.5 million. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? Complain to say nothing but

I'm just saying if more if we get that every year, at least we're not eating two. I'm trying to figure out how many years left we would have before that's dry. But since we're it's since we're still getting something every year, it'll drag us down the road a little bit further. Are there any other budgets that we need to finalize? So we're good. So the only decision to be made now is 2, three, or 4%. You start on that end. Two, three, 4% and the puminous line item. We got to make sure everybody's on board with that. And the what line item? The patuminous line item in the highway department. The one point.

Well, let's finish the platoon list then. Well, Greg, you're a you're a road man. What do you think on that? Not Greg. I'm sorry. George, I don't know. Greg Graph, I was calling you. Yeah, I look just like him. Yeah. Um I mean it's it's not a matter of black top or anything else. It's a matter of dollars and and if how close we want to get to to balancing the budget, you know, and it's, you know, I I can't say if liquid asphalt's going to go up or down next year or the year after. I mean, uh it is what it is. But if we want to Well, it's an honest

if we want to balance the budget, that's probably where it's going to have to come from, right, Liz? I mean, it's still not going to be balanced, too. We're not going to balance. And well, the other thing it's kind of like the kind of like the uh the two, three, or 4%. I mean, are we are we calling that a raise or a cost of living? Cuz I mean, just to keep people even with their worth where where they're at right now, cost of living is 2.5%. If that's what we're giving them, we really shouldn't give them more or less than that. You know, if it's cost of living, if you're giving him a raise in there, then it's, you know, that's what I told myself. I said, I don't think Leo's gonna like a half percent. Baby, you're I don't know. It's not

Let's Let's finish on the two minutes first. We've got to decide. Let's just pull the plug on this is are we going to give him the one or or do we wait until next year and he comes and asks for additionals? That's that's essentially what it is to me. If he comes out and asks for additionals, he could do it out of 4916 instead of county general. You want to move some in there now, he could do that, too. I mean, he's just trying to keep his saving to $3 million and I don't care about that.

And I don't know where that number came from. It's that's because we got a million and a half from Community Crossings and we were matching it with a million and a half and that's how he's coming up with that. There's nothing that says we can't spend five million or one million, you know. So, that's So, I would adjust it some. I don't know how much. That's what I was asked why I was asking you what you thought a good number would be. So, where was he coming from on this 18month budget? I I never did understand that. He's got a plan that way, but he can't take receipts from the previous year. And Adam, he Well, I think that's what he's trying to do.

I know. It's like, well, you tanks like we get property tax settlements twice a year. So I think he's probably looking at like the last six months of of say 24 and then looking at all 25. Yeah. He's trying to figure out what he's spending the rest of this year and then what he needs for next year. And that's not really an 18-month budget, but that's just the way he's that's how his Yeah. has worked because, you know, we're we're year to year here, right? So yeah, we're on a calendar year. The state's on a different fiscal year than we are. And he's really on it, too. He's just looking at it in a different way. I mean, that's his budget here is for 2026. So,

well, the other thing is is we can give him that line for two minutes, but he probably can't spend it that fast. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, what if what if we come back to the middle and do 1.1 there? Because that and this still isn't truly balanced at all, but at least that 1.1 plus the 400 that Tim had already had in there gets him at that 1.5. we can say, "Well, there's your $3 million." I know that's not how he's justified, and I understand his approach, but and then if he can spend that, he can come back and make a presentation for an additional,

but if they get the if they get the million and a half from community crossings, they're still spending three million that way. But he they're he's saying that out of that million and a half, he he's been spending three million on contractor paving, and he's saying that several hundred thousand of that is in-house paving. So that was his differentiation. But last year we budgeted him 2.7 million and he only spent 2.166. You know what I mean? Like very good. We we can say yeah mark this money but he can't spend it. You know what I mean? If the projects don't line up. So what you're saying cut it 400,000.

I I say cut it to 1.1. I mean, I I told him I would fight to keep the that paving the same, and I feel like that is if there's 1.1 there plus the 400, that's the 1.5. You know, I think it's still the That sounds doing it. It does. It just doesn't I don't I don't think that's doing a disservice to anybody. I think that's good for It's still make making roads a priority. Let's do that. If everyone that sounds good to me, man, I did good with that. Go ahead. Yeah. Okay. So 21807 and his location 51 is 1.1 million. That's a good number. That's

So then that county general down to what? 23675 750. Okay. And that's what the 4% was across every fund. So now that we've decided that we've done everything in the budget except for the colas, correct? Okay. So the colas are figured in there is in every different fund is it up to 4%. I would say we do no less than three. Oh for the gusto. It's my last year.

We go up three or four. I I'm good with four because if cost of living is 2.5 and we've got good employees, why do we want not to give them a little more to keep the good employees we have? So we don't have to retrain or train somebody new coming in and to give them incentive to keep doing the job the job that they're doing. Yes. What do you think? Three or four on the cola. Two or four.

I was just kidding. Not really. Well, like I said, if we're calling it cola, if it's cost of living, it's cost to live. If it's a raise, it's a different story, you know, and we somehow we got we're responsible for balancing the budget here in the county and we're uh we're a little off. So, I mean, the state didn't give anything. So, they effectively gave their people a pay cut because they're not keeping up with cost of living, right? They didn't give them a cost of living or or any raises, right? But that's that is an anomaly. There have been years there and I agreed but I'm just I'm just I'm not going to use the

state the argument against against it in three years in three basically in three years you raise a budget by a million dollars you know by giving that's what I told Tim about the 0.5 over 10 years that's a that's a big number you know but I agree with what Glenn said too so I I think in order to that we should do a minimum minimum of 2.5 to keep people where they're at. So I guess if it's if it's between three and four, you know, I will vote for three. I guess I mean we got to be stewards of the county's money, too. Yeah. Back to three.

So give Benny a good sales pitch there. Yeah. No kid. Tim, what are your thoughts? Uh, I agree with Mark's comment about even like the 0.5 in how after a couple years that ratchets us up that I also survey our our starting rates and damn we still have some people who make less than $40,000 a year. Oh yeah,

we have some that make more, but if if it's a cola, then I'm at 3%. And if that's the case, at some point those people certain people probably need to be dealt with individually, you know, or certain salaries need to be dealt with individually, you know, because there's we got them on both ends of the spectrum here,

but I would I would say that it's up to the department head or the elected official like just like Haley came in and she defended that person being changed to an office man. Uh last year Sally defended merit raises for different people on her staff. That's not a council function to me. That's the elected official in the department. Um Connie did that without us many years ago. I mean we're still well off from being balanced. I mean like you said two there's 2.5 million already coming out of riverboat plus something now. I mean that's that's that is it.

If if this if these people working for me the answer would be 4%. But they're working for the government and on our tax dollars and it feels like I don't I was telling him I I only got 2% at my job last year. When do you all get raises this year?

October. And I taught school for 32 years. We never did get a cost of living. We were lucky to get 2%. You know, I know when I was in the recorder's office, I had a tough time replacing the people I had in my office that were trained and bring a new person in have to train that new person to do the job for the person you got. That's the way I look at it. Well, Dan, you said three or four. I'm at three. If I have to stand on one side of the line or other, that's where I'm at.

I don't know where we where where we stack up right now. How many people are in the camp? Three. I'm at four. I'm on three. You change yours to three. Is it the cost of living? Actually, 2.5. Yeah. No, I'll go with three. looks and you were three. So it looks like it's a 3% cola. So now you got to do all that figuring again. Well, now I'll take it out of your budget, put it into everyone else's. Yeah. And there was another

well and and I mean it probably probably like he said makes more sense to be three because of the 900 $900,000 shortfall this year. Yeah that's get worse. Well, I know. I know it is. Well, I mean it. That's what I told him. I said we'd be cut your budget 5% or something. And if council hadn't had the gusto to pass that 59 just hanging in there.

So, we're we're done with the budget itself. The next thing is on the distribution of riverboat monies. Leah has given us the numbers that we would be working on in 25 which is essentially the same and the percentages have we've given out of 1191 is 65% to county general and 35% to highway to go to their 4916. Is everyone good with keeping these the same? Yeah,

good with it. on 7303 that goes to u several departments 3% to parks 2 and a half% to growth and development 4.25 to 4914 25% to transportation 5% of services 25% to municipalities and there's an ordinance on that 32% on highway 4916 3% in the county general and 0.25 25 for capital projects longterm. Is everyone good with keeping these percentages the same? I'm good with it. I'm good with it. Are you good with Keep it the same. Tim, I like the same.

Yeah, I'm good with it. We'll keep the percentages the same. I have two remote name.

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