Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Okay, we'll start the meeting. We have a quorum. We will start the August 4th meeting. I do have one question. I see we have a couple of guests on there. I think we had Joel McNaughton three times on there. Who do we have on there?

One of the Joel McNaughtons is Sean Delaney from Stevens and Lee. who is, I'm actually with 900 Keckler Road. It's one of the rezoning requests. But I use Joel's sign-in.

Okay.

No problem. Could you say your name again?

Sean Delaney. D-E-L-A-N-E-Y.

Okay. Thank you, Sean.

what one of them uh is is actually me uh i sound like joel mcnaughton and uh we have two items under your zoning amendment section uh numbers two two and three okay thanks joel

Do you want me to call the roll? Yep, please. Let's start with the roll call.

Okay.

Chairman, Mr. Spandler. I'm here. Mr. Furze, Vice Chair.

Here. Gary Lanker, Treasurer.

Here.

Terry Morgan. Chris Dietz. Here. Mary Gieske. John Kirshner. Brian Pomeroy? Here.

And Joe Robinson, Jr. Okay, sorry. We have the minutes from the July 7th meeting. Everyone should have a copy of those. I'd like to move we accept them. Thank you, Josh. Do I have a second?

Second.

Is that Brian? Gary. All right, Gary. Thank you, Gary. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Denise? Hearing none, motion carried. We have the transfer of funds. Uh, from, uh, for the senior modules and subdivisions of now 4,892 dollars and 50 cents. We have a motion for that money. Motion to concur in the 2nd, 2nd, Chris. Thank you, Chris. I'm saying all in favor. Say, aye. All right. Okay. Mary just joined. Now we have Mary. Officers reports.

Mr. Chairman, do you want to go down to handling the zoning requests?

We certainly can. We can do that. We will leave the agenda here and go down to the zoning requests. Get that out of the way here for the evening and then continue back with the meeting. I guess, at this point, you open it up to the potential applicants to get a couple seconds stuck there sure i'm Joel McNaughton do you want to start us off there with your zoning request you want to give us a little bit Vince please.

Whoever you want to speak for you. I'll start with what's on your agenda as number two. That is a property in Swatera Township. It's 17 acres at the northeast corner of Lindle Road and Keckler Road. So it's the Route 441 corridor signalized intersection at Lindle and Keckler Road. I have like some, I don't know if you have the map or I mean, I'm happy to share. some information, like a screen, if that's helpful, or I can just verbalize it.

You should be able to share your screen now, Joel.

Okay. As I said that, now I have to find what I wanted to share. No, so it's the northeast corridor or parcel at, here we go.

A lot with the power line through it.

Power line goes through, exactly. The power line goes through the middle of it. This is probably, let me click the share button here. This is probably the best piece to look at right here. So can you guys see that?

No. Oh.

How about now?

Now we have it. Okay.

So this is a copy of a portion of Swatera Township zoning map. To the left is like the 283 Route 441 interchange, number of properties there, zone commercial general. There's a commercial zone, commercial limited zoning district that exists, some residential suburban. and some residential RM or multifamily residential. So 17 acre site, it's currently zoned RS. It's got a power line that runs through the middle of it. And so not conducive to single family detached development and really not consistent with the way that this corridor has developed. Route 441 has really become a mixed use corridor. I think justified no better than the township's recent zoning amendment, which zoned you know, 100, 150 acres, whatever across the street to mixed use, which you can kind of see on the bottom of this plat. You know, it's an extension of the CL zoning, so it's not spot zoning. Our intention is to develop the property as what would be defined under the township ordinances as a nursing home or personal care home slash assisted living. We think this is a. Just dynamite location for an assisted living facility. You can put parking lots underneath the power lines for the limited kind of traffic that there is. Put the buildings in the open space that's required in the usable parts of the property. It's right off the highway, so ease of access for people coming to visit. There's not really a facility like that in this section of Swatera Township, and it certainly lends itself to this mixed use corridor. The Township ordinance says that the CL zone is to provide for lighter types of commercial use compatible with nearby homes. I think a nursing type facility certainly does that um you know again reflective of the corridor in general and that's the nature of our request do you want to talk about the second one while you're sure sure i can do that um or would you prefer uh allowing since uh mr

Thomas Greene, Delaney the map is up, he could talk about his proposal, maybe because yeah he probably yeah his is sort of related to this one.

Thomas Greene, All right, got the mute button. Thomas Greene, um no thanks guys and basically it's as helpful map, I can share my screen as well, but I don't know they need to. So our client is two different entities that are under control by Paul Navarro. I'm sure you know. It's the property just to the north that's currently designated RM. And then pretty much all of the property to the south of that that is currently in the agricultural district. And the request is two parts. First is to extend effectively if you rezone the McNaughton property into the CL district, the idea would be to bring that zoning designation to the east on 441 for the two adjacent properties. The property over by the creek, sort of long thin one, and then the small little box would stay agricultural. And then the second part is basically where you've got the existing RM and then the agricultural, and then you come across to what is currently zoned RS, that area that is bounded on the east by the stream, the request is to extend the RM into that parcel. Proposed development, it's a mix. So along the frontage, the plan is to develop a winery. So commercial operation, which would be consistent with CL district. So some of it would actually still be agriculture because it would be growing of grapes, but then there'd be the winery itself. There could be events there. There's supportive parking areas to the rear. And then as you go into the RM district areas, The proposal is a mix of housing uses, different densities, some single family detached, some duplexes, townhouses. It's a blend. And there's actually good access, good site distance on 441, but there's also access on the Stacy Drive to the northern part of the property, which would give circular access for the entire development. which I think makes sense. There's good infrastructure in the area, very good infrastructure in the area. I think it would be a good development. But this would be the first step to get the rezoning in place.

Okay, Mr. McNaught, would you like to talk about these two first and then pick up your other one after that?

Yeah, I think that makes sense.

Sir, maybe mission questions. Yeah, does anyone have any questions?

How many units are we talking for the senior facility?

I don't know that we have that number yet. I mean, we haven't really done much in the way of sketch plans other than probably. We think it's a single building. And I don't have like a bed count that I could share.

Okay. Question, where would you access this, from 441 or from Keckler?

I think probably both. Both, okay. Yeah.

so and i guess i have a question too like um you talked about parking lots and and i'm sure that the the winery will need some some parking lot areas how how's the storm water infrastructure in the area for handling additional impervious and i don't know if i'm supposed to be asking those kind of questions now jerry so tell me if i'm not um that's that's fine too Everything's open. Okay.

Yeah, so certainly, I mean, if we would get to the point of submitting land development plans, These, you know, the proposed. Nursing care facility, and anything that Mr Navarro is doing next door, these would be separate and distinct submissions and each would require. You know full land development plans, including stormwater management, so you know significant parts of each one of these properties, I imagine, would be designated and set aside and used for stormwater management.

Kind of the follow up on your kind of general question there, Chris, whenever we get a zoning requests. Of course, this is all to be to at the township level. 1 of the things that major considerations always is. Capacity what not only just. water, any kind of other kind of capacities because you're modifying what you are. So anytime you have a question about something that's a change, those questions like you ask is pretty pertinent and questions.

Thanks.

Are there any other questions before we move?

Well, we can give our analysis on that. Again, this is a Dauphin County Planning Commission as an advisory to the municipalities. There's part of the process for them to be reviewing. the change for their compliance with their ordinances, their goals, and then also taking into public comment. The Dawkins County Planning Commission is given the opportunity to make a comment and then that's what we're planning on doing tonight to recommend to you to take a possible action. We have kind of given our analysis and in essence, they're basically the same on both of these and in fact, lower Sotero that's also kind of consistent with it. When we look at a lot of these things, it's like, how does it fit into our regional growth management plan? Is it sort of a leapfrog development? Is there capable of handling a lot of the things similar to what we just talked to Chris, like you mentioned? The one thing that we talk about this one is also that this is an agricultural district that is getting modified and changed out. Again, that's agricultural preservation is something that is one of the goals in the county, but we also recognize that in some places it may not be advantageous due to a number of factors, including lot size, location, and such. This also takes into account some of the recent action that Township has already taken. If you recall, a couple months ago, there was property to the south of 441 that got rezoned from another agricultural piece to mixed-use development. So, a lot of things are happening in this 441 corridor. Part of it is, you know, things are happening. It's a growth area. It's a major connector road between the 283 that's been done and to the airport connector. So this area is a very likely area to be targeted both not only in Swatera Township, but also lower Swatera Township. So, given all that, in general, we have no concerns or not necessarily concerns. We're not necessarily as a staff opposed to this development because we prefer infill type of things. But one of the things to bring up and kind of concern, particularly with the township, and this is something we always bring up is that you know we talked a little bit about potential development that's made happen here nothing is in stone of course uh but this is the first step as it was mentioned Once they approve, they change to the CL district and to the RM and the CL for these properties. Of course, anything that can be in place can be built. There's not contracts owning in Pennsylvania, so they can possibly do it. So the township is reminded of that, that if a use comes in that wasn't mentioned today, but it's in their ordinance, then they have the responsibility or the right to kind of make sure that That could happen. They have to be aware of it. Given that development could happen and change things, they have to, we're reminding them to take a look at what 441 is in that area. So make sure that there are enough of those things that we mentioned, like the stormwater and the water and the sewer. Make sure there's infrastructure and also traffic. As we pointed out, probably what makes this area very attractive is its transportation improvements. transportation advantages. 441 will be changing with the mixed use and then with this use and everything. So the Swaterra in this case, the Swaterra Township doesn't really serve yeah so teratonship doesn't really say too much about this uh in their the most recent planning document they're more of an implementable they don't talk about goals they talk about doing in an orderly fashion so uh anything that they're going to be doing we want to make sure that they recognize that they're you know going to be making changes to the that 441 is going to change its character compared to with some of the open space and residential. So there is going to be a change to the district. The other thing we've pointed out, and not necessarily in the first application by McNaughton, but the second one, the one that's further to the east, there is two properties, two parcels that are going to remain in residential. Development or agricultural development, there'll be just sort of lost lots out there. We're also recommending to the township that they take a look at what that those zoning should be. And if there's any kind of conservation or talk to the people who are doing the agriculture in there, so make sure that the, you know, some other opportunities at this time to possibly change it to say something at conservation. That's not necessarily identified in our letter to go to conservation, but again, it's just as providing background on that. So all that being said, long winded going around about, but we're generally, we have no major concerns about the rezoning, but we did like to put forward a number of concerns and things for the township to take into consideration as a, review these applications in greater detail. Any questions on that? Sorry for that.

No, that was fun. Splendid. Fine, Jerry, thank you. Are there any other questions before we take action on these? Hearing none.

Sorry, I couldn't click off. So right now we're just looking at the Swidera Township, the two in Swidera Township, correct?

Correct, Mary.

Okay. I just want to make sure. Sorry.

John Potter, Being amendments it's number one is number two yeah right okay.

John Potter, Thank you number one is the three parcels, which is. John Potter, Our and our and see out, but if you were not on the map, right now, those are the ones that are more to the east of number two is the kepler one which is is the one that's identified. John Potter, Okay.

John Potter, motion to approve staff recommendations, Mr chairman.

Second. Thank you, Gary. And Josh, was that? Josh had a second? Yes.

All in favor? Can I make sure for the motion is that for both?

Gary, is that for number one and number two of the sweater?

Yes.

Yes, thank you. And Josh, the same with you? Number one and number two? Absolutely. Thank you. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any nays? Hearing none, motion carries.

Thank you. Much appreciated.

Mr. McNaughton. Yes. Number three, the lower sweater one.

yeah um let me see if i can pull up how good my skills are here uh do you see a new zoning map or are we still are you still in the old one nope we have the new one okay um try to move down a little bit so our our second request is in lower swatera township Um, this is a property that maybe you've known, know as the Williams farm. Um, it's about 200. 200 acres, 202 acres, located off of Fooling Mill Road north of Route 283 and south of Oberlin Road or kind of the further end down a little bit of Route 441. We were in front of the Dauphin County Planning Commission back in April of 2024, actually, with a proposal to rezone portions of this property to residential urban and portions to residential suburban to provide for a mixed residential use development. that went through township planning with a positive recommendation and got to a first public hearing with the Lower Swatara Township Board of Commissioners. And based on some comments and feedback, we withdrew that application and went back to the drawing board. So here we are a year and change later, and what we're proposing is to rezone everything that you see outlined kind of in dark blue on this map. So 202 acres would be rezoned to residential suburban. That means by right, you could do 20,000 square foot single family detached homes on the property with public water and public sewer. We're not convinced that there's a market for half acre lots in this region, but by right, that would be a permitted use, the permitted use. We've coupled that rezoning with a text amendment. And I don't know, hopefully this next page will come up. Can you see this page now? We have it. So coupled with our rezoning request is a text amendment. That text amendment would permit age-restricted residential development in the RS zoning district as a conditional use and subject to a number of criteria on density, open space, community center, et cetera. We think this is a really strong location for age-restricted residential development. There are about 448 Units depicted on this plan, those are combination of single family. Detached and single family semi detached or duplexes. It's a ratio is. 7030, so 70%. Single family detached 30%. Duplex units. Those numbers are important because all of this was designed with traffic in mind. So even though this is 448 dwelling units, because these are age restricted, the resultant traffic impact to lower Swatera Township is significantly less than if this were developed as a by right RS subdivision. the clubhouse, this would be kind of a standalone community. That's a 10 or 12,000 square foot clubhouse with a swimming pool, four pickleball courts, a putting green, bocce courts. This would be like, you know, on the higher end, if you will, of age-restricted communities. It would be limited to one person age 55 and up has to be in 80% of the houses and then further limited such that no one under the age of 18 could be a permanent resident. Again, from a planning standpoint, you know, Lower Swatera Township recognizes the williams farm as sort of a central critical farm within the township in fact they call it an opportunity site um know there's some discussion as to whether it should be um warehouse or commercial or office park we think this age-restricted residential use is really has market demand and really meets that opportunity site definition that's in the lower swatera comp plan um happy to answer any questions or or to further discuss any specific things that you want but that's kind of the overview are there any questions for mr mcnaughton i just have a comment that i i wanted to say joel i'm sorry that you've had to go jump through the hoops of public um

perception and all that but i want to commend you on your creativity and your transparency and explaining to people the market forces that shape the decisions that investors have to make i think it's really important i think in the past the distant past that was a real failing in the industry people just kind of hey this is what we want to do and i think it's helpful for people to understand what, not just what you want to do, but why you want to do it. And I think the more you can explain to people what market constraints look like, and that push comes to shove, a buy right that nobody likes is the natural outcome, is the natural outcome. It's important for people to understand how these decisions are made. So that's my only comment.

Yeah, Joe, I just toured a facility like that. They called it Margaritaville. In South Carolina. I was impressed. All joking aside. Are there any other questions?

Will they have a bar and be serving margaritas in this place? So, I mean, I can show you the clubhouse design. It's pretty impressive. There is a... what you or I would walk into and think looks exactly like a bar. Obviously they don't have a liquor license, so can't sell, but folks use it in other locations almost nightly as their happy hour location. And then use one of these, I forget what's here, several miles of sidewalks to walk back home. Nice.

So basically it's an active adult community.

That's exactly it, yes.

Yeah. Though all units have to be sold to someone at least of the age of 55 or older in the household. So the... That 80% is just so you don't have to throw people out.

Right, right.

That's what your marketing is going to have to...

That's exactly it. It's based on the federal fair housing standard, which says that 80% of the residents have to, at least one person in 80% of the dwellings must be permanently occupied by someone 55 or older. You mark it to meet that 100% goal. But if something happens, you have some flexibility.

Correct. Yeah. And then you're further age restricting at 18.

Correct.

Jerry, do you have our comments?

Yeah, the staff, the comments are pretty much the same as what we had with the previous 2. I think the only major change that we have kind of expanding on that is. This corridor is going to be changing as the development occurs. And the township is to consider all that as they look at that and the other uses that may come about any kind of. changes that may occur to 441 in the future due to all the development. The only other comment above and beyond. Again, the comment is similar. We don't have an issue with it. You know, we're not opposed to it. The other comment is that since this seems to be two actions rolled in one, one is a text change and one is a map change, we always prefer to see that separate so that if there is questions or things that need to be worked on one compared to the other, then that one doesn't hinder the other. So that's about the only major change between this and the other two we just talked about.

Okay, any other questions for take action. Hearing none do we have a motion for the lower township zoning.

Amendment move to approve.

Second, I have a 2nd. It was the 2nd was the 2nd. Right? Thank you Brian. Yes, it was. All in favor say, aye aye. Any nays? Hearing none, motion carries.

Thank you, gentlemen. Hey, thank you very much. And thanks for moving us up a little bit on the agenda as well. I have to the Swatera Township Planning Commission meeting on the first two items is tonight. So running out the door to there now.

I'll be there too. There also.

Thank you. Thank you.

Yep, we'll go back to reports.

Do you want to do the last one? Or do you want to finish the zoning?

While we're on zoning amendments, let's do the last one, number four. I don't believe there's anyone here for that, but we'll just break through that.

Yeah. This one is actually fairly straightforward. This is in regards to Susquehanna Township in which they're looking to rezone from a conservation district to a medium density residential district. and also in accordance with the request from the school district. The school district is looking, they bought the property, they're looking to build a new elementary school under the current zoning. It is not allowed to do there. So they're looking at that appeal. Uh, we, we do not necessarily again have a problem with this 1, but we do have a couple of comments to make sure that, you know, that there's a case of. Be careful what you rezone into, even though that school district, and it seems pretty solid. That they would be moving forward with the school. There are some other parcels that are in in the mix that may have some concerns about it. And they're also in the rezoning request. Uh, just to be comfortable with a, what you're rezoning it to, and then be the properties that are outside of the area that the school district is resigning as well. So that's our recommendation. With those costs, okay.

Are there any questions. The motion to approve the Susquehanna township. Zoning amendment move. Thank you, Josh. Do I have a second? Second. Oh, doesn't matter. I can second that. All in favor say aye. Aye.

Aye.

Any nays? Hearing none, motion carries. Okay. Now we'll move back up there to officers reports. I have none. Does anyone else have any?

uh joshua i just want to say that jerry i don't i can't remember if we're covering tanner's run today but uh we did organize a meeting up in uh tanner's run uh millersburg uh several weeks ago and it was very well attended and uh and a lot of good discussion momentum uh we had uh a ringer there, Mark Gutschall from Land Studies, who led several of us at the very end on kind of a watershed walk. We walked up and then had to drive up as far as we could. I think the problem can be solved, not completely, but by pretty substantial amounts just upstream of arc safety. There's obviously a lot of things going on there. You have all kinds of infrastructure problems, pipes that are too small, pipes that are too big. But the bottom line is that if people want to work on that watershed above arc safety that's open, Seal Park, the undeveloped parts of Seal Park, there's some properties that are undeveloped, there is a lot you can do, according to Mark, gutshall that would greatly mitigate the way and the amount of water that comes down, you know, every time it rains. So I wrote a small report on that, sent a whole bunch of letters out, sorry, photos out to everybody, the people in different parts of the gathering, inside, outside, on the walk. If anybody has any questions, feel free to contact me later.

Thank you. Thank you, Josh. Yeah, we will have another update here towards the end because I guess there's another meeting scheduled also on August 19th. Correct. Yeah, but. Anything else under officers reports. Communication and staff reports.

Well, I think at that point, we saw the. In your packet, there was the letter that Land Studies had sent to both Mr. Spandler and copied Mr. First as part of that meeting and similar to what Mr. First just said was kind of covered in that letter.

Okay. Let's see here. The program progress report.

That's me.

That's you.

Um, silence, transportation planning stuff. July was well, July 1, I kicked off our public comment period for our ongoing update of our long range transportation plan, we call our regional transportation plan or our RTP. So we are currently in public comment right now we started working on that plan. I don't know, it basically the beginning of 2024. Development and outreach. Kind of occurred through basically through all of 24 and then kind of writing the plan. Then started in, like, the 2nd, half of 24 and continued through this spring. So certainly been a long time coming. We're really happy with how the plan turned out. Yeah, it's in public comment right now. I actually have tomorrow night. Um, to kind of supplement our, our outreach efforts, which are always a struggle for these kind of long range plans. We're doing what we call a virtual information session. It's essentially me on a zoom call for. For 45 minutes or so run through the plan and trying to give you the broad broad strokes of it and then finding a chance to ask questions and provide input. Since we are in public comment, we are asking any public comments to be submitted to our planning at tcrpc-pa.org email. So, them to be kind of officially considered. Beyond that, on July 4th, we did have a round of our Sober Ride Home program, so that ran for For us, the Thursday Fridays and Saturday nights, and we actually had a much higher usage. Then we did for St Patrick's day Memorial days. We're pretty happy. We used that there were about twice as many. Vouchers used that night or that that weekend as opposed to the previous 2. So. We still have a little money left in that program. The next round will be for Labor Day. That if we have money left at that point, we will, we will do something for Halloween. And then if we have money at that point, we'll probably do something for. Thanksgiving weekend I don't anticipate there to be any funding left after that though. So. Again, that's a ride share vouchers provided through Uber. Which is kind of intended to reduce. DUI crashes in the region, which account for over 40% of our region's traffic fatalities. So that's kind of an implementation tool of our regional safety plan. Beyond that, Uh, we are starting our, what we call our tip update. So we are getting ready to kind of update the. The pen dot program projects that will occur over the next 4 years. So that'll go basically from now. Through the end of the year as kind of the development, and then. It goes through about 6 months of the of the various approval and and. And kind of evaluation processes. Jerry, do you have anything you want to talk about REP at all?

Yeah, one quick thing about REP. We were putting together a a scope of work for managing or identifying and reporting BMPs in each of the municipalities. One of the things that they requested is a database and an evaluation to help them with their MS4 and also data access for grants and doing projects. So that is going to be done in September, the RFP out so that we would start on our program at the beginning of next year, hiring a consultant.

The only other things I'll add, we do have, because we're getting Moving on to kind of internal plans 1 is what we call our coordinated public transit human service transportation plan. It's a mouthful, but it's a, it's a plan that kind of looks at. Human service transportation, so it primarily is focused on the elderly and disabled communities, but it's trying to kind of connect. Every day, every day locations. essentially really through paratransit. So it's kind of trying to fill in the gaps that fixed route transit doesn't serve. So it's a plan that we have to do as an MPO. The last time we did it was 2015. So we're about, you know, we're We're very due for an update, and we've got that started. And then we also have a scope for our regional growth management plan update. That'll really start kicking into gear now, basically. And we look to have that kind of ready to go, at least the broad strokes of it ready as we roll into the Dolphin County comprehensive plan development. So that can kind of lead right into that.

The Dauphin County Comprehensive Plan is we anticipate starting next year with the public outreach. And then our requirement is to have it adopted within every 10 years. And 2017 was the last one. So the mid-2027 is the target date for the Comprehensive Plan. So starting putting our budgeting together but they may be able to provide us to make it a more robust plan.

Okay. Any other questions? Please feel free to ask Andrew or Jerry at any time as you go through that. The local planning assistance report. Jerry tells me that they counted everything this time, but they see 46 hours out and about in the county. That's all the time, office time and meeting time spent on just assisting local government. So job well done. A lot of time out there. said jerry's goes from this meeting to another one so hey you're mr mcdonald yes i just may be hungry yeah yeah mcdonald's yeah it is right on 441. um any committees uh we have none Subdivision land development in front of us is nine plants. You want me to take them all at once? Last year, if there's anything that's outstanding there. I did see one big one there that that's south hand over athletic fields, mostly 458 acres. Two student homes. Is that Milton Hershey? Yeah, Milton Hershey is putting another couple of buildings in. Any other questions?

Can you just go back to the line items that show the names of the projects, not the map, please?

Yeah, sure. Yeah, Berry Township, City of Harrisburg, Lower Slaughter, two in South Annover, Stilton, Susquehanna, two in Susquehanna, and one way up in Washington Township.

Yeah, the South Annover is their public parks facility. They've been talking about that for at least 10 years. It's going to be behind.

Thank you.

And then on the next page, the Susquehanna Union Green has a new building that they're putting in as part of their plan. I think it's either going to be a hotel or another apartment complex. I don't think they've finalized that yet. And the Northern Dock, the Indian Trail Market is going to tear some things down, make it Make it a bit more.

Well, that's a good that's a good joint up there, so they that's good.

You know it's bad whenever I go there so often. I know that Thursday is the day they bring in fresh donuts. That says a lot about me.

They have a bunch of old structures in that area, so I could imagine that they're wanting to consolidate some things. What's the terminal part of Steelton Terminal? Is that one of the steel, old steel plants? Yes, I believe it is. I can't remember the details on it.

You can look at that. We can bring that up. Click on it. Hang on. That's the original, the slag yard up there on top of the hill. We've had a couple. One was put warehousing cool we'll see here say yeah that's that's yeah there I think well that one is That's the land behind the Dolphin Highlands Golf Course that is part of the quarry, and it's actually the east end of Steelton. Okay. It's three lots. It's their old dump.

Yeah, and it's in three different municipalities.

I've seen this.

Yeah, we've seen it before. Okay, I'm good.

Um, do we have a motion to accept all nine plans?

I'll make that motion.

Thank you, Chris. I have a second. I'll second that all in favor. Say aye.

Aye.

Aye. Sorry. I couldn't get off mute.

All nine plans. That's rather okay. See zoning amendments were done with that additional items. Talk about Tanner's run already. The only thing I have is, I see there's another meeting scan scheduled. August 19th up in the township, I believe.

Yeah, I think upper packs and.

Nine nine AM. Yeah.

And I don't know, Jared, is there a whole lot more to... Well, I don't know if you want to bring...

I mean, there's, you know, Josh had your meeting there. There's some of the things that are going on with, I believe, kind of the sense that I get is Upper Paxson is looking to kind of be more of not necessarily they were never really resistant on things, but I think, Josh, your meeting has kind of got them looking at a little bit more some of the different options that are available. Some of the things that they're talking about is the immediate repairs, what can be done in the short run, you know, what's being done with that structure. I guess Light Hygals, their engineer, and there may be some structure and then also some of the things that came out of that study that was done uh and what what is next step um i guess light hygo might have also taken another look at that so uh there there may be some uh other considerations that upper paxton is interested in looking at in terms of where they may be able to participate and then um also then the main thing that always comes down to things is funding money-wise uh I know there's the discussions been going back and forth. And Chris, maybe you can talk a little bit about that in that whether a gaming grant may be something they'll be going for in coordination with you. And then as was mentioned in the land studies project or study letter, that there's Chesapeake Bay funding. And they may be starting to talk a little bit about those opportunities as well.

Yep, we look forward to that meeting. And at this point, the borough is circulating easements for the property owners around the collapse there just south of the building where Lighthigel inspected again. And so we're working to try to secure agreements to be able to go in and open up that channel to relieve some of the back pressure on the system there. And I believe the Millersburg Water Authority has agreed to partner with us on the expenses for that because they do have some piping in that area as well. So they're involved. So I don't know that that's going to happen prior to the 19th. So we can discuss that a little bit further at that meeting. depending on where we're at with those easements and looking to hire a contractor to get in there. We also reached out to DEP for permitting, trying to get an emergency permitting. And they said, well, it's been in the state for more than a year, so it's not really an emergency anymore. So they're asking for some drawings and that kind of thing. And we said, well, it's an emergency every time it rains. so um but they asked for a pndi uh report and uh some drawings around what exactly we're we're looking to do so our engineers are working on that as well well that's good news i have a question jerry did we ever hear from the borough did they ever write a letter to our planning commission uh i think at one point there was a letter um not i mean during

during this whole beginning process there might have been something said um you know like six months ago or something like that there might have been a letter but not in not in the last couple days or so i mean not unless since uh your meeting okay yeah that was one of our action items i thought the borough maybe chris has more to say about it but i thought that the borough is going to be a little bit more broad in their uh

outreach but it's okay no it's no sounds like things are moving forward that's important i will uh follow up with skyler on that thank you thank you for the reminder okay is there anything else under tanner's run like i said the 19th uh i plan on going to that meeting too just to take a look around and see what's going we'll go to the market that's going to be not fresh ones anything else before we adjourn next meeting is september 8th

Yeah, just as a reminder on that, that's a 2nd, Monday. Because we're already ending up summer. Summer's over. And also to Andrew has up there, if you do always the links to the. The Tanner's run study that was done by the borough. Keep, you know, that's that's.

in the packet so in case you're looking for a quick spot to look for it there it is all righty there's nothing else i have a motion for adjournment so move thank you megan gary i'm sorry josh second that all right meeting adjourned we'll see everyone in september thank you very much thank you thank you