Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Okay, welcome everyone to the June 2nd meeting.

We have the roll call, I believe. Yeah, I can go through it real quickly here. Sure. Mr. Spangler, chairman is in here. Mr. Lenker is here. Yeah. President. All right, Ms. Morgan is not here. Mark Warren, Mr first night here, Mr DS here is Casey here, Mr Kirchner here, Mr Pomeroy here Robinson yeah Mr priests and from the staff, we have Andrew and my son.

Mark Warren, Really, thank you moving right along here. minutes from the may 5th meeting everyone should have them we've gotten them you have a motion to approve those i'll make that motion thank you joe do i have a second well second move we'll give it to brian got it there okay um all in favor say aye aye aye Any nays? Hearing none. Motion approved for the minutes. Treasurer's report. Let's see that there. $4,231.50. 81. Yeah. 81. Oh, I'm sorry. I was looking, reading the top number. Yes. $4,281.50. A motion to approve the expenditure or the transfers of money for the subdivision. So moved. Motion by Gary. Do I have a second? So moved, Mary. Thank you, Mary. All in favor say aye.

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communication staff reports okay um two things uh one is i just wanted to make you aware uh grassborough uh there's a series of emails in the uh in the flyer or in your packet grassborough had uh had some issues with our um notifying us about modifications to their sending ordinances it appears that they had sent to our old address and for whatever reason uh we were having problems with ups not delivering stuff so it never got documented so just uh through this email there's two ordinances that we can't really do anything about but therefore but just for noting just for the record that they passed under the MPC. They're supposed to give us 30 days to review it, but they did not. So there's two things that were there. The second item was also a, there's no action needed on the Fratz one, but also on this Viola Water Company under the MPC, whenever there's a change or modification to a water company from a utility and things like that there to notify us. And there's, I just added that to the record for you guys to see as well. If I would have known when I first looked at it, there was quite a bit of pages that were probably just as attachment, but it is part of the whole documentation. So again, there is the, whenever they buy some property from Bahamas Town Borough or Fort Lauderdale Water Company, it's,

I saw that and then I read there, I guess you got the grass thing straightened out right there, right? Told them, hey, the address is on the bottom of the sheet. Yes, that's right. Okay. Moving on. The program progress reports. I'm sorry.

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May was, I was remote on the May ECPC meeting, but that happened a couple days right after our annual luncheon. The annual luncheon went very well. The speaker was Morgan Boyd from the governor's office, who's doing the statewide housing action plan. uh we had frankly rave reviews from the from him and just our luncheon in general it was my first as executive director so i was very appreciative to everyone that the staff and everything they went smoothly yeah so i you know i know gary i and you know a few of us you know uh affordable housing is a particular focus and i thought that the speaker was a great was able to kind of give a good balance of policy stuff as well as some statistics and kind of frame the issue in a pretty easy easy to digest way so um people were taking pictures of his powerpoint the whole time i mean you know there was very interesting information So other things in May. Transportation planning perspective, we finished. The draft of our long range plan update. That will go here the next well, the end of next week to our hats committees. For review, it's being reviewed already and it has been reviewed for the past month or so. But we'll be asking for actually go to official public comment. which that will happen July 1st to August 15th. So that would be both for our long range transportation plan, which we call a regional transportation plan for the RTP. Our public participation plan update will also be in. So those are two pretty important transportation planning things. And most of our work was revolving around these two things in the past month. We also did some stuff related to the upcoming Greenway and Trails Summit and the PAAPA conference. Both of those are happening this October. So those are pretty important kind of citywide planning things. We had our Silver Ride Home program had around for Memorial Day. So it opened Friday. Run through Sunday night into Monday morning essentially and. The usage numbers are now that we've done a couple revisions to the program and made it like a 1 time. 1 time use voucher per weekend. The usage is much more in line with where we thought it was going to be. So. We will be, you know, unless we have a huge uptake, we will have. subsequent availability you know we'll probably look at it and um July 4th is the next round for so do we get a report from that to actually show how many rides are given yeah and I don't have the number I know we were right around 3500 it was a 20 voucher so it was a couple hundred vouchers um One of the things we'll have to do once we're at the end of that process is produce a report basically that looks at the data in terms of crash data from the year before versus this year. Unfortunately, we're waiting a while on that because we're still waiting right now on crash data from last year. It takes PennDOT about six months or so to get Crash data kind of cleaned up and ready for public consumption, essentially. So. But we'll be doing that. We'll make sure everybody. You know, all of our commissions and everything get a copy of that report. So. That's the other stuff. I think that pretty much. I know 1 thing we have developed and I. Karen 1 of our staff is. excited to present this today i think south hanover but we do remember our planning toolkit uh we've we've developed a new toolkit entry for for data centers which is a kind of a new land use that we're starting to to see i would say kind of highly concentrated in a few specific places I don't know that it's going to be widely regional. I think a couple places are going to need to be very aware of what these things do and how they're used and their impacts. But we've developed a sheet for that. So we're going to start going back through and making sure that that toolkit is up to date and maybe even adding some other additional entries just to keep it current and keep it up to date. Anything else, Jerry?

TAB, Mark McIntyre, that's pretty well we did also the building activity orders now is now online, but I think I might have mentioned it last month, but if you go on to our website and go under reports you'll see it, one of the main thing is that we have a dramatic profit for.

TAB, Mark McIntyre, activity issues.

The development has not been in the major local areas closer to the city, but at least the Hanover's and even in Perry County further out. and what has been in the past. So that is unique. Chair, what do you mean by activities? What happens is we ask each municipality to give us documentation on the permits that they issue, both building permits and occupancy permits. And this last year, there's been more building permits issued further out than normal. Usually it's But this year, the bigger ones have been in the East Hanover, even though it's been consistent with the Susquehanna and Lower Patterson. But really, larger growth seems to be a percentage growth further on. But overall, we normally have about 800 to 900 units. This year, we had less than 500. I didn't write it all up in a report, but in essence, if you take a look at the last 20-year data, this is the lowest year that we have on record. So that's good information if you want to take a look at it, got to get a sense of what's happening out there.

And if I may, about the annual luncheon, I thought it was Very nice and noteworthy that all three counties, the county commissioners, several were there from each county, including Commissioner Priest from Dauphin County. I thought that was very nice. And I want to give a shout out to Andrew. I caught him doing a pretty nice interview on Fox 43. I didn't realize he was so photogenic when he was.

Thank you.

All right.

All righty.

Well, we hope we don't lose them is going to be right.

Yeah. I mean, he might become a singer on a rock and roll band and leave us. Is that what you're saying?

Okay. Moving along here, the local planning assistance report. Looks like it was a little less. this past month, and it has been 18 hours out and about in Dauphin County municipalities.

So it only looks like five meetings. Well, and I think if you take a look at the last one, West Hanover is doing their comprehensive plan update, and pretty much a lot of everybody on staff is assisting them with that.

Okay. There are no committees that I'm aware of.

Sure, that's what we do. We track what our staff is doing to support them. But those are like billable hours or anything like that, are they?

Well, yes and no. Okay. Under the LPA program, and Andrew can describe this probably a little better, but we have an agreement with the county commissioners to provide support. budgeted by each individual municipality we get so much but we don't hold true to that okay so what we do is we put together a report every month of how many meetings we go to what kind of assistance it's on our time sheet okay so it is budgeted it's tracked but is it I don't think we build direct direct billing described it well the county provides

In Perry County, we have the LPA program, but it's on a contract basis. So only certain municipalities can ask us for help in Perry County, beyond the MPC mandated stuff. In Goffin County, though, stuff like that last line, they can ask us for general research or any of that kind of stuff.

So a lot of times, some of the things that are very research wise, it'll be a general question for things like that. We may not put it on there. We may charge it to just general planning policy type of things, but whenever we do So everybody knows to see how much we're doing. Some communities ask for more, some communities ask for less, but whatever, we try to help them out.

And I'd also point out, you know, this is basically all non-transportation stuff. You know, I'd say the biggest thing we do with municipalities is transportation planning. That gets billed to our transportation program, not our LPA program. That's obviously a very important piece of this puzzle, too.

I'm sure this also saves time. I mean, you have to have a representative at that meeting and he's answering questions rather than. 20 emails going back and forth from from a planning commission from, like, say, whatever planning commission and then other questions are answered immediately for the most part against policy.

And a lot of times it's to go over some of the reviews that we've done. During plan reviews and. We pretty much say that, you know, we have certain ones go to certain, I mean, we have assignments, like, so it's consistent. So, you know, I go to a lot of the Northern Dauphin ones, and Andrew still does the Lower Paxton. But, you know, so we have a consistency of people seeing the same people all the time and they get used to it, so. where they were, you know, who's, I mean, who's meeting on Tuesday, who's meeting on Thursday. And so we don't have a- It was updated last week.

I didn't see it yet, okay. It's always a balancing act to make sure people aren't assigned the expense and we can save money. First first Tuesday and Wednesday is popular night.

Yeah, I got my first week of the month. It's always busy to Bob point. Now, even when you're there answering questions to try to cut down on the emails flowing back and forth, you don't necessarily.

give definitive or can you answer on behalf of you know me to you well we will we will you know and how does that work you know we will respond with uh you know the like a review comment okay technically these reviews are the planning commission so but staff is the official when that date is the you know so we meet the mpc requirements but whenever we it may, but it's technically the planning commission will represent. But if they ask us, like, hey, we're thinking of doing a mobility study, what does that all involve? Then we'll kind of go into that, or, you know, I'm thinking about doing an official map, or like the getting hit with questions about the data centers, what's that about, and planning principles so so in essence and every every municipality is different some of us some of them rely on us because they don't have a finding staff yeah some of them are there just to to give us support because they have a staff that's great thank you probably more than what you wanted to know I like to know how the sausage is made

That's sweet.

As long as it's digestible.

We don't want it to get you sick. Hey, Bob, one thing on the committee end of things we hadn't talked about, but the thing you mentioned earlier about the notices from me. Yeah.

Do you want to bring that in, Peter? The ethics statements? Yes. Hey, has anyone received an email? I know I talked to, or Gary talked to me about it. Has anyone received an email from the office about filling out our ethics statements for this year?

Yeah, I did not. I just, by a matter of habit, you know, I serve on... one other state board, Pennsylvania Housing Finance Agency, and always am reminded by that staff about that. And I know that we historically also provided them for the county and regional planning commission. So I filled it out and sent it in to Andrew.

I haven't gotten mine. They came right from the county commissioner's office the last few years, and I haven't gotten anything this year.

Yeah, I haven't either.

Well, I think that I think that I mean, you know, there's been a change.

Right? I insist on that. We. We were supposed to receive an email, but I will double check that to see why we haven't. And it's like, it should come from the county. Because that we are appointed by the county, so I'll make sure those go out. They went to an online system. We should have received an email, but apparently we didn't. That you fill it out electronically and just submit it and it comes right back to the county. I will check on that. This week yet to find out how come we haven't gotten that. Because I know was it is due. um it was due it was due um this week yet I just want to make everyone aware of that okay are we still supposed to get them or not we just go out and seek them or

I think what Bob's saying is he'll check out with the, with the county and then we'll check on our end to have to be a coordinated effort to make sure that you get, I was told it went out, but apparently it didn't.

I don't know if there was a miscommunication or went to the wrong. Staff, whatever, but it was supposed to go out electronically. Like we said, before before, when Chad did it, we got an envelope in the mail. We filled it out, mailed it back. but apparently there's an online version now of the ethics statement. So you just fill out that same piece of paper, fill in the blanks and hit send, and it goes right back to them. I will check with that. Okay. Subdivision land development. It's like there's 10 plans that need action. Does anyone have anything in particular that's on there? I didn't see anything overwhelming here. John Gerstle, You know, big developments of any kind, it looks like. John Gerstle, The biggest one some chicken coop something. John Gerstle, looks like a winter sport winter sports venue in field house. John Gerstle, It. Oh, okay.

It's in the parking lot. They basically, I guess I'm not happy with that. During the school and the football field.

Yeah, there is.

There's a grass field right attached to the school. There are some. Some questions I thought the township, I know there's some questions that need to be higher down, but. I mean, I, I, nothing that nothing significant.

okay if no one had i apologize was there a comment made about a site in upper dolphin county or was that just a i missed that or did i miss it about the chicken coops oh okay chicken coops okay cluck cluck okay if there's no questions on all of any of those in particular we'll take all 10 Person makes a motion to ratify staff comments on the 10 plans.

All righty. Thank you, John. Do I have a second? So move. Thank you, Mary. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any nays? Hearing none, motion carries. All 10 plans are approved with the staff comments. Zoning amendments. Dairy Township.

Yeah, the first one is both of these ones are not really large, but we'll go over the one at each. This one in dairy is just what we would consider a minor tweak to it. They're looking to modify the definition of veterinary hospital and veterinary office because there's been some confusion about how many vets in one place versus another. just kind of a cleaning up so that there's some clarification on that. It's overall, again, not a very large type of thing, but I guess that they're either having a bit of infusion in terms

up-to-date current ordinances okay do we have a motion to accept those the zoning amendment for dairy township move i have a motion by joe do i have a second i'll second it brian brian thank you all in favor say aye aye aye aye no no no please that's for um

TAB, Mark McIntyre:" And this one we are actually not recommending and then it's not necessarily a case of. TAB, Mark McIntyre:" A negative and and the action in terms of trying to control a little bit more with their solar ordinance scraps again. TAB, Mark McIntyre:" mentioned earlier in the meeting at some changes to some of their ordinances. how they're doing some definitions for solar energy systems. Most of their ordinance was written to try and control large solar fields. And when they did that, they got some mixed up language or confusing language of what like an accessory solar would be, which we, like if you have something on your roof or a lot of barns are putting it in to do their milk type of things. So they tried to make a revision to get to that. Well, when they made the revision, they left some loose ends and we're kind of notice, we're putting them a little on notice that they're within the letter. If you read it, it's basically, it's a good idea to do what you're doing, but you've got some definitions that are still hanging out there. So we're not necessarily against you doing it. We're just kind of saying, this exact language um and we're in within the letter you'll see we said to we're willing to work with you about that to clean it up so again the letter is to to basically indicate that we're not necessarily in favor as it's written but to but support what you're generally saying in terms of trying to clean up your ordinance right direction that's not the whole way there correct okay

We have a motion for the Gratzboro solar permitted areas. I'll make that a motion. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Joe. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any nays? Hearing none, motion carries. Intergovernmental reviews. Um, I guess the question is, do you want yeah, is there any, any particular 1 in particular? Someone has a question about. They all for the most part are.

Recreational recreate.

Yes. Well, there's there's 2. Um, there's 2 that are not the city of Harrisburg has a division street safety improvements and then this entire exchange. Project 2 highway projects. Did you try did you do some. So, in essence, all of them are. They're within lines of meeting our requirements or within the comprehensive plan, so we have notified that they are concurrent and in line with our general planning goals.

Okay, if no one, anyone in particular will take the motion to accept all seven intergovernmental reviews.

So move.

Thank you, Mary. Do I have a second?

Second.

Any questions? Hearing none, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any nays? Hearing none, all governor reviews. Yes. Maria. Additional items, the REP program.

Right. What we're doing as part of, if you remember correctly, we did a study of essential projects, priority projects that was funded from FEMA to look at a number of different issues within the parks and within the areas that have either flooding or have potential for water quality improvements. There was a number of projects that were listed. And one of the next steps was to apply for funding for a lot of these projects. So we went back to the municipalities within RAPID and said, growing greener application process is coming forward. Are you interested in having these projects move forward, meeting the requirements? And a couple of them did, but a couple other municipalities says, hey, there may be another couple of projects or two that we're interested in throwing into the mix. So there's five projects that we're looking to do. As you know, REP is a county program, so administered by Tri-County. So in essence, Dauphin County Planning Commission would be the applicant on this case. So in order to go through the process, we want to kind of make sure that you're aware of what we're doing as a staff to supporting the rep because you're going to be on the thing and also to have the chair if we need to have him sign some grant applications to to move forward and just to go ahead and do that. Now, the five projects, again, they're preliminary projects that were identified by the municipalities that are in the area. We're looking at some stream restorations, some stream improvements, and it's very in the infancy stage in terms of it was located, they were shown. But the next step and what we're shooting for money So the Bruin Greener grant has a $500,000 limit. We don't think that we would get that, but we would think if we can get perhaps $100,000, we could do a joint project where we would hire an engineer to look at each one of these projects to give us the next scope. forward what it would take to do it. And these projects could run, you know, a couple hundred thousand dollars each. And then at that time, we would move forward with a separate grant applications under the REP headline. But this project itself, this grant is just to start preliminary engineering as a group for . Again, we're looking for your okay to go ahead and do that and then also any blessing.

to move forward.

Now, also too, there's no growing greener was selected because there's no matching requirement. Even though REP has some money for matching, we would look at using all these projects would have a zero match, partly because they were chosen because they're in DBE areas or low to moderate income priority areas, and that would also make it advantageous to shoot for these projects. So it doesn't really cost us anything other than the time we've already committed from the municipalities to start looking for money. Yeah, whether we're going to get it, we don't know, but it's due at the end of the month.

Okay, any questions on that? Do we have a motion to have Gary proceed forward with the application process? So moved. Thank you, Gary. Do I have a second?

Second. I'll second.

all right okay all right i got you chris thank you all in favor say aye aye aye aye any knees hearing none go for it jerry all right onward and upward let's stand over township for lc's ability study

uh yes west hanover township just recently completed the trails feasibility study to develop an unimplementable study that will guide the township through creation of a bicycle and pedestrian network that connects the community to key destinations while providing safe places for leisure transportation and recreation they've done this over the last couple years we've been part of their review process of course when anybody does the These trail network projects are certainly part of supporting that. They are also looking at some point moving forward to putting that as part of their official map of which there'll be a formal action behind that. You'll see again that this is the first step and recommending that you find or give comments that's consistent with our progress.

Okay, do we have a motion for the West Hanover Trails and Feasibility Study? West Hanover. I'm sorry, did I say West Hanover County?

Person or some move.

Thank you, John. Do we have a second? I'll second that.

I have a question. Go ahead. Just for clarity. Yes. So this is a feasibility study that's approved, and then they're going to do a larger study then?

Well, what happens? needs to be they look at connection points and look at where you know like connecting parks where the trail might go once they like they did an inventory they saw where the opportunities are so what they've done is kind of outlined or mapped it so like whenever they start they'll say, we looked at where we want to be. This is where we want to be. If they put it as part of their official map, then that gives them more flexibility when working with the developer to help them provide money for doing that. So they didn't really start designing each individual trail or each individual sidewalk, but this kind of gives them the plan or the target areas that they think is important to try.

I was just looking, and that's just me being anal, just looking at this on the background. It's a feasibility study with the goal to develop an implementable study. So what does that mean?

Well, it's kind of to move to the next step, to implement, to make something happen.

Okay, it just sounds funny. Like, we don't want to approve a study to do a study.

Well, yeah, and that's kind of how the process works. You have to go and that's even like our study with the stormwater. You do a study to identify the main areas. Then you're going to look at. Then you're going to go and start. you know banging on doors and asking for property start building stuff yeah that's what government's all about yeah you all have to give me a little grace because we'd love to go in and just build something but it's unfortunate very good question yeah

Yes, yes. Are you ready for the question? I thought for the question. Did we have a second one that we got? We did. Bob did. Yes, I think it was. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. Chris, I don't know if you want to step in on this one. I didn't want to put you on the spot, but the Tanner's Run project has finished its preliminary study or the analysis of the different options that are available for doing things. Christopher McConkey- Here it is. So, again, I'll give a brief update, Chris, if you want to step in, or if you want to take it, and I'll step aside. What would you prefer?

Christopher McConkey- You're welcome to start, and then I will follow up. How's that?

All right, so the report was finished by their engineering firm, and there was a copy of the links to all the report given to you. They ended up coming up with some recommendation for what needs to be done. And of course, nothing in there is easy. This is a complicated problem. But I'll jump right to the recommendations from the study. They recommended they're based upon the stage phases of construction with phase one being the most urgent work to phase three being the least. The phases are based upon urgency and a cost benefit ratio and they can be interchanged if money becomes available. But first one phase projects was repairing 544 State Street collapse, because it's necessary for the openness system to allow conveyance until upgrades, and then also repairing the arch from center to union. That total cost estimate that they had for that whole phase was about $430,000. The second one was doing some hydraulic improvement projects, which is the 544 State Street bypass on State Street, Union Street. They don't have a cost estimate with that because they're going to move forward with looking with contractors to possibly do it. There's also North Street extension curb and storm sewer basin and meander estate stormwater basin. uh to do that to improve again the flow of the system and that was uh about three hundred and twenty four thousand dollars and the final phase was the bypass the arc safety building that's again that's the business that's uh being affected from the water and uh that was a series of bypassing of the road or the pipes and re-channeling of some of the of the pipe work and that was uh 214 000 so if uh if a magic wand was raised and waved uh they would be at least 967 000 to do all that work and i think at this point the the uh the question that was asked how much is this all going to cost is at least pretty coming more into focus and now it's a matter of trying to come up with the funds and some of the ideas of uh how to how to move forward so um I will I will add to that that um this is from State Street up I believe right like north um so the current

most um egregious area is not included in that estimate and that area is the clinger property south of route 209 where there was the blowout and the structural uh crack or damage and sinkhole in the um in the parking lot in the back of the the building so um to my and that is located in upper paxton township so um that's the delineation and we couldn't get our the engineer could not get their uh robot down through there so that's why there's not more information on that area but i did get an update from our borough manager today and he said that He walked down in that area and the creek is running or water's making its way to the creek underground. But he's saying that the parking lot is in worse shape than it was previously. So maybe there's more ground shifting in that area, which is not a good situation. But I don't know that there's anything that's been planned to address that. fixing that. And then from the school side, our engineers did send some comments back to the school's engineers when they sent us as-built drawings, and they have not replied to those comments yet. So we're waiting on them to see what they come back with.

Yeah, and there was another portion of there was some in a catch basin, or not catch basin, but taking part of a pond over and doing some work there.

That's way up at the northern portion.

There was some preliminary estimates, I think, Chris, in taking over that property for uh that pond such and i think that was about that was about 300 000 i think it was or something like that um and also i think there was there was a preliminary number that parking lot and everything else uh even though it wasn't officially but it was estimated it was like 1.8 million is that right i don't know that i saw that estimate because i think i'd remember that sticker price yeah i thought i remember seeing it i was surprised that it wasn't in one of the one of the final recommendations of a thing to do but maybe because you said that maybe they couldn't get their their their thing in there i remember seeing that when i was putting together my numbers okay yeah so it's a it's a lot um a lot of money to to fix it and

at this point, I don't think there's any real clear funding paths for much of it. So I think the municipalities and the property owners in the area would be all ears if there's any recommendations from Tri-County on potential grants or sources that we could look at.

Well, I think as we're getting more involved with some of our rep projects and looking at where the funding type of thing is, we may become more familiar with where things can come from. And that certainly will be available to that. And then we'll also, typically the commissioners, we're involved with talking with them as well. And I know you guys are as well. Yep.

there's there's uh there's interest to helping you on on their end as well i believe so so chris gary here i have two questions for you where is upper paxton township uh your colleagues and in all of this were are they ignoring you yet or what's the deal i have not spoken with them about it since um since the last meeting really um

So I mean, at that point in time, I think their position was that the property owner was responsible for fixing the situation in the property south of 209. I don't know. Go ahead.

And as far as funding sources, have you had conversation with Representative Kerwin Senator Rothman's offices, have they been at the table on any of this discussion?

Preliminarily they have preliminarily. Yes. But no, no real updates as far as that goes.

Have they been updated lately? Chris. Local policies and have they been brought up to speed on the latest developments?

I don't believe so.

I think you do have to keep them engaged in the process. They got a lot of things competing for their time. I'm sure. You got to stay on them. I think that's where Gary's getting at. Not that you don't have anything else to do.

We can certainly reach out and keep that conversation going.

I guess, Chris, just kind of going back to my number where I saw it, and maybe this is where I got something wrong, 525 North Street. Is that Arc Safety?

Possibly, because that is North Street there.

Because that's where I got the number. It's on page 8 of the study, and I've got to pull up its cost estimate in lots 300 000 so maybe that's why it was kicked out it's not even being a consideration that is the address of Arc safety yes so maybe that was my number that I was thinking it's not necessarily the one below in upper packs yes I think that was like uh an alternative our alternative kind of proposal or portion of it that um

Yeah. That was a future kind of thing.

Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of a, I think as we're looking at alternatives and all, or they were looking at it, that's one of the ones that is whether it was feasible or not. Not to say that they recommended it, but that was, that's where I got the 1.8. I knew it was fun. Yeah, so there is no, like you said, Chris, there is no identification of what it would take to repair that other part. The apartment complex. Right.

Okay. All I can say is, sounds like it's, I don't want to use the word moving forward isn't the right word, but we've got some numbers anyway now, just need to find funding sources. Jerry Larkin, Dolphin county or the state has got deeper pockets, you know. Jerry Larkin, You said from our senators and.

Jerry Larkin, I do know that the one reps, the number one mitigation idea between the emergency management plan was about flooding so there's something that's about it.

James Meeker, Jerry is that growing greener a. Grant that you were talking about for the REP program, is that a DCED PA, DCED grant, or who's that through?

I think it's through DCED. Oh, yes. Who was it? DCNR. DCNR. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, because we have to meet with DCNR for it.

All right. Thank you.

Anything else on the Taylor's run said. Could be huge numbers and that is something that needs. Sounds like, according to Chris remedy sooner than later, because it is. Parking lot collapsing and all that that just all that is going into this topping up. Water somewhere, I mean, um. Any other comments? About anything? Oh, sure. Tanner, I'm just no, no, we can go into the next thing is if there's any other questions or anything before we adjourn.

Just as an FYI, I don't know, Gary, are you going to the Wildlife Family Affordable Housing Conference this week?

Up in the Scranton area. No, I will not be attending that.

okay well just as an fyi i am going as a keynote speaker for the thursday morning breakfast i'll be speaking to them uh i'll talk about leadership but it's trying to uh inspire and motivate those who are in the trenches dealing with this issue so i'll be giving that presentation on thursday so apologies i'm gonna miss you i apologize i didn't want you to be in shock if you walked in and saw me

well good luck motivating because we need motivation thank you no dinner anything else from anyone hearing none a motion for adjournment so move okay second i'll second that meeting adjourn we'll see everyone in july have a great month everyone

Take care, everybody. Thank you. Take care.

Thank you.