City Council - Regular Meeting

City of Darian, alder person for W five. I serve as the chairperson for the admin finance committee. I would like to call to order the meeting of the whole committee of the whole with alder persons, our mayor, city treasurer, and clerk, city administrator. We've got two senior staff uh members, Julie Sans and um Lisa Clem, along with Dan Gambeck tonight. and we will be um we're here to review, discuss, conduct Q&A, and come to a consensus on the fiscal year 27 budget. The document you have all received is a collaborative effort of the mayor, administrator, treasurer, and city staff. It has taken countless hours and months of preparation and research. We are all very grateful for the hard work the team has put into preparing this budget and backup. Tonight, I will serve as your facilitator since I'm the chairperson. Tonight is the first in a series of meetings with the end goal being to have a public hearing on the budget and the city council vote to approve on Monday, April 6th. My goal is to complete this review in two meetings and conclude tonight by 9:30. We will take a few breaks along the way as needed. The committee of a whole will meet again next Wednesday, February 25th at 6:30 in the city council chambers. Last night, the city council meeting, administrator Vanna provided us with an overview of the fiscal year 27 draft budget, general fund, and revenue fund. If there are no further questions about those areas, I would like us to begin tonight with the department budgets, starting with the city council. After that, we will do administrative, community development, streets, and capital projects. Next week um on the 25th of February, we will start with the police department and then move on to the durian business alliance and community events. We will wrap up with the SSA and MFT. Ideally, we will get through all of these in the two

meetings, but if there's still some um overflow, we can um take advantage of that and any wrap-up items um hopefully at the city council meeting on Monday, March se um all city council members received copies of this budget um electronic or hard copy, whatever they requested, and summary pages and supporting documents. All this information has been published on the city of Darian website. These meetings are broadcasted on our channel 6 and available for viewing on the city website site and on the YouTube channel. So without um any further, Mayor Marques, do you have anything to add to that?

I'm sorry. I just want if I I'm sorry if I did not hear it, but I don't know if you said the water fund next meeting. Oh, I'm sorry I did not, but thank you. I did some editing today and I must have edited that out. Okay. You know, I just want to thank the city staff for the presentation and all the hard work that's gone into this. And I'm sure that um I'm sure that we will be able to get through this in a couple of evenings. It's well prepared. Treasure Corin, do you have anything to add? I talked too much last night. I'm going to sit back and listen tonight. Okay. Listening ears. Okay. That'll be about 3 minutes.

Okay. if that's possible on that one. You want a crack here? You want a cracker? Okay, then I'm going to um turn it over to uh administrative Vanna if you have anything else you want to add or I think it's always nice to start with the city council. It's like the bullpen, you know, everybody can take a look at it. It's pretty light budget, right? Um there's not many changes uh from last year. The one thing just to note, we did include 53 53. Oh, you get the hard copy. I'm joking. I got hard copy. Yeah. 53. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. I'll check with I'm not going to keep my iPad open. So, I've got I'm working off a hard copy. So, um I'm It's page 53, but electronically 61 61.

Okay. I'm sorry, Brian. Didn't mean to.

So, that the uh only notable is we took a look at the education bud budget that we have been putting the city council for the older persons and we haven't have not uh used that hardly at all. Joanne has used it in the past for the uh one of the clerk's conferences. I don't recall which one, but what we did add is in an attempt uh at the municipality and the members of the city council have been branching out or maybe going or wanting to go to other community functions. Uh Addison has a function, a number of them do and this is above and beyond what we have budgeted in the uh page management managers conference. We have 4500 um 4500 under 4265 and what we uh what we included in there total of 4500 and we allocated uh $1,000 uh for Mayor Marques to attend various municipal functions and then 500 uh per uh each alder person uh to attend municipal functions and Um, mayor, you've been to a few, I think, uh, most recently Addison had something um, a nice function you went to. Uh, and a number of communities do locally, they might have some of our neighbors. So, we thought in the event that the city council wanted to branch out more, we allocated some money in there. And again, uh, it's not defined yet, but but easily defined. It's its municipal functions at local communities, you know, non-political, non-political functions, anything like that. Just again events that our neighbors are having that you'd like to attend.

Any questions for Brian? Yes.

Um guys, I might be out on an island on this one, but I got to bring this up. Um I started my 17th year and we're all getting paid 300 bucks and it's not the 300 bucks and it's not about the raise. This is it sounds kind of silly, but if we give ourselves a raise eventually, we might want to consider it because it's not even the cost of adjustment and and I, you know, be careful what you wish for shower. The point is if we end up ever giving ourselves a raise, we might attract some younger people eventually that might want to get involved. We don't want to lose our job. I get it. But we also want to make sure that's a little bit attractive in the future. You know, it's one of those situations we haven't talked about. We just skip on over it. And guys, 300 bucks is not that much. And let's say that we doubled it. Okay. Somebody on the patch is going to say, "Oh, we doubled our salary." 100% increase of nothing is still very limited. There's something that you

say $300, you mean a month. A month. Exactly. You know, it's just one of those situations that eventually we should really talk about it because after 17 years, I don't remember the last time we guys had a raise on the on the council, but it's something that, you know, I I I find out a lot of people that don't want to get involved in it because they just say it's not worth it. Now, whether it's the time or money or whatever, it's also something, you know, for the future. So, again, I might be on an island, but I had to bring it up. So, when I was when I was first elected back in 97, alder people received $2,400 a month and a year. A year.

A year, excuse me. $2,400 a year. And early in my I don't know if it was the late 1990s or early 2000s. It was before Brian came because Brian doesn't even remember it. We voted to have add $100. I I don't know how we impacted I forget how we impacted the clerk, the mayor, and the treasur. I know they got raises, but alderman went up from 2400 to 3600. But the caveat is you didn't get it until you were reelected to that position. So if we decided tonight to give all the older people a raise of $100 a month to 4,800 or whatever it is, you wouldn't get it until you ran ran again and you were elected again. That's that's the caveat.

Well, that just a question. Is that that was the caveat then or does that need to be the caveat? Yeah, I guess is is there I'm just curious. Is there a legality to that? I Yeah, I don't think so. Oh, there is done. You can't give yourself a raise. So, whoever would replace you or if you reelected then the new uh dollar amount goes into effect. So, because people were currently elected under this dollar amount. Correct. And then a a a future dollar amount if if there was to be a change would not come into place until until that position is up for election. Correct. Yeah. There's there are also I just was curious cuz I I didn't know.

I think you have to pass an ordinance 180 days um before you enact the rate. There are some rules that I'd have to again check with attorney Murphy, but there are some timing rules also. So it wouldn't affect the next two budgets, right? because you know there's elections next year. Yes. Oh, there is. Yeah. So, so one wouldn't affect this budget, but it would affect the following budget. Correct. Wow. That's that's f that's fast moving. It would be like almost like a roll out because it wouldn't be everybody. And um Okay. So, we since we're talking about the $3,600 a year for older people, what is the annual for the mayor? 6750.

That's a random number. Uh clerk 450 a month. 5200. Same for the the treasur. Okay. And is there any other paid elected positions? No. No. Okay. Um bigger full discussion. If you do a comparison, there are communities where I'll give you for instance u Woodridge the mayor makes 9,000. Briidge the mayor makes 13,000. Will Brook the mayor makes 25,000. to downers grove makes 2400.

The such a big community hills makes nothing. There's no so it varies. It depends on the community in Westmont. I remember too that the only person who takes a salary is the clerk the because years back they they decided to give the money keep the money in the village that they work as volunteers. So, it's it's, you know, the council has to make a decision if they want to do something like that. The stipen has been in place, the 20 $3,600 has been in place since even before Ted was elected, which was 17 years ago. Like I said, it was probably about 20201. So, it's been 26 years since we we had a race.

Yes, Mike. We've been quiet long enough. I said three minutes. I I I appreciate your sentiment, Ted, but I can't even if you doubled it, I can't imagine somebody taking the position for $600 a month or whatever you might agree to. I mean, in my mind, we're trying to do the best for our community.

Uh I mean, I'd do this thing for nothing. Uh I think most of us here would. And I think those are the types of people we're looking for. I don't want somebody that's like, "Hey, yeah, it's making another 300 bucks, so I'm going to go run against Ted or whoever it is." No, I I get you. Like I said, it's one of those that I want to throw out in the pivot discussion cuz I mean that's one part of it. You're you're 100% correct, but at the same time I mean you never know. So yeah, but again the pretext that we're going to attract more people, you're not going to get a tech geek out of college to come and say, "Yeah, I'm going to do it because I'm getting $600 a month. That's all." But like I said, it's a discussion.

I also feel I'm sorry, please. I don't think it's a terrible idea, but I think we're obviously getting way ahead of ourselves in that the next election wouldn't be till May. And if we have to do it 180 days in advance, this is more like something that would be in December of this year where we'd have to pass an ordinance. Correct. Well, no. It would have to be at least 180 days prior to any election, I believe. So, you Okay. So, no, at any time prior to that, you know, as long as you're understood, but I mean, it's not going to affect this budget in any way. We couldn't affect this budget even if we wanted to only in a three-year forecast, it would impact. Yes. Right. So, I think it's worth talking about, but I don't think we need to make any decisions today

because making a decision today, it would not be impacted until next year's budget. Well, in the forecast, we understand that.

Yes. Correct. I I do think though it's I'm I applaud Ted for bringing it up because it's a subject some people would like you know not want to but I also feel that if it was to be something entertained it would it should be across the board for all elected officials should be impacted if there was to be some type of increase. Um, but I think we've been gifted now with it being brought up and the opportunity to think about it and dwell on it and um, maybe, you know, we can get some type of chart to see what other communities make um, their elected officials just as a point of comparison because I think even if we gave ourselves or voted on a penny raise, there's going to be push back from people. So, I think, you know, there's going to need to be a reason to justify it. and the the time span is justification enough and the cost you know but I know something this was brought up as a possibility because this was something that was mentioned in goal setting in comments was um you know if there's other areas and we we can talk about that um for instance the the city buying the um parade candy for people you know so everyone's giving out the same candy and it would be you know just if there's other ways that um people's because we all incur a lot of personal expenses by being in this position. Um, you know, that that could be covered to be a participant in something. I I I'm not saying I like to give out my, you know, bullse eyes, which, you know, I'm sure the city's not going to buy, but, you know, just other areas too that might be entertaining.

Okay. Anyone else want to talk more about the salaries? The only thing I would say we we'll come across certain issues that it would really be nice to hear from all the elected officials. It would get just give a better indication of direction. I would hate to have conversation not get all the comments and then find out there was a majority that didn't want something. So unless you know it would be helpful for everybody. Okay. So obviously we know how Ted feels. Ralph, is this something you'd be interested in exploring?

I I definitely would if it if it hasn't been changed in 20 years. the $300 that was being given at 20 years ago, I don't know what that's worth today. $100. Um, so it it would I mean, if it was a $100 across the board, we should have some numbers. How would that impact our budgets? All of those things. So, I definitely would look at um investigating it. Joe, Kenny,

I mean, I could take it either way, but I know that if you're looking at the whole council, treasurer, clerk, mayor, alder persons, our mayor is grossly underpaid for the amount of work that he does and the amount of time he does. So, he's probably deserves to get that position at least deserves to get get a raise in it. And if that be the case, then we should tail along with it. So, it's also important to note that the position is not meant to be a full-time position. Previous mayor and the the mayor 20 years from now might it's a part-time position. So, I understand I understand.

I mean, but yeah, I agree with you grossly underpaid, you know, working tail off for our city, but um he's not obviously he's a clear indication of he's not doing it for the money. He's doing it because he wants to. So, you're could go either way. Yes, sir. house man. I was a man the last time I checked. Mike,

you've already heard my thoughts. I mean, I'm on a per hour basis. Yeah, we're not getting paid what we're worth, but like you said, Joe really puts in a lot of time on this and a lot a lot of us put in a lot of time, but there's no correlation between the time you spent and that. And again, a few hundred dollars is not going to attract who you're looking as a full-time godend to this council. Uh, again, I think it's more for the good of the city that we're doing it. And I think those are the types of people you're looking to attract. If they're looking at it for the dollars, I don't think anybody would want any of these positions to be honest with you. No. Okay. Joanne,

I could go either way, but I will say that when we were passing out packets previously, someone had come to the counter asking what's the salary and when they were told they I wouldn't do it for that. So, in a way, Ted is absolutely correct. But there again, that person was thinking that this was a full-time position. We are not full-time. Um, I'm on my 15th year right now, and the last two years I've been a little scattered, but before I used to come in four times a week at least and spend a couple hours each day. Um, so it it you know, I'm doing it for my community really. Okay. And thank you for that, Joe. Marase, Mayor Mckase,

you know, I for me, the opportunity to come in every day and be with a group of people who I enjoy being with is a reward for me. Uh the hard times we went through as a family last year and we continue to go through was made much easier because I could come in and work with people and I had some way of not having to think about that every day. So it's not necessarily a monetary thing for me. It's more of the ability to come come some come to a place where I I have a challenge every day and I get to work with good people at resolving those challenges. Now, I will say though that as far as the automatic positions, I think for the time you guys put in, I I think something like $100 or whatever kind of increase would be fair. Uh not necessarily for me, but I think for you guys.

I'm going to skip over Jerry just so because um Alderman Gustson has to leave for a while because he is going to the planning and zoning commission meeting which is across the street at the police station. Alderman Gustiffson, how do you feel about the compensation? I'm I'm kind of either way. Personally, it's probably not going to impact me because I doubt if I'm going to run again. So, I mean, it's really for the next next group of people that come in. And is that going to make a difference to them? Probably not. You know, it's not going to be enough to to to to really make a difference, be honest with you.

Okay. Well, thank you for that. You're excused if you you're welcome to stay, but I know you need to help. Okay, yeah, I pretty much I think either way as well. Um I I I don't do the money either. Well, you do you donate yours to a scholarship?

I give it all away. So, um I guess I can give away more, but um you attract anybody? I don't think so. I think that I think we're here because we want to do this and and that's why we got involved. Yeah. I I I I don't know if it would make a difference one way or the other. So again, I can go either way, but you like you said, it's going to be even if it's 100 bucks, it's going to be, you know, all the men's vote, you know, 33% increase. That's what they're going to say. And in in the scheme of things, it's it's still nothing. And but again, I can go either way.

Okay. I'm bleeding towards no. Um but um you know I understand I think it's a good idea to have a discussion to go through it and explore it but um I too agree that um I mean I I think of the people who are on the school board who probably have a job 10 times harder than us and they don't get paid a dime and they come under tremendous ridicule but um good point. But I understand why you know we would entertain it. Um and I'm not against exploring it but I' I'd probably still be a no. and Tom Bzac.

Uh, I'd be leaning towards yes. Um, again, probably won't affect me because I don't plan on running again, but that doesn't mean I can't be taught to do it. Uh, but I I've I mean, if what's our median age here, guys? I mean, to Ted's point, I would love to see some 30 40 year olds get on city council. And I don't know if this is going to attract it, but it won't deter it. So I valid

and and if it has been 20 years I think the cost of living has as Ralph said probably quadrupled. So um it's a stipen but I I don't think it's going to break the city budget either to increase it. I will say that um even though there's not a prescribed amount of time that as an alderman I'm supposed to put in um I was gently surprised at the amount of time that it's consumed of my life because I don't think a week goes by and I'm sure that everybody can say this that you're not hearing from a resident with some sort of concern or or issue and um it it really is a not a full day's work by any means, but every day I feel like I put some sort of effort into doing something, which is exactly what I was looking for. I mean, I I'm not looking for a raise in any way. When I ran for this, I had no idea if I even got paid. I kind of in the back of my head assumed I didn't. So, it was almost like a giant bonus when uh they told me, "Wow, $300 a month." So, um, you know, it's, uh, it's, and as far as people, you know, getting 33%. I I don't think I think that a lot of people would look at it, as Ted said and say that's all they're getting paid. I thought they were all making 50 60 grand a year. I mean, if you look at county board positions,

50, they're 50 to 60 grand a year. I know the forest preserve just went up 6,000 a year for the the people coming up next. So they're um that's that's a lot and and they've got one meeting a week but probably put in as much effort as any of us on the council do. So and some of them get pensions and IMRF you know obviously that's not something that we do which I don't know if the public is aware of. We we don't get a pension. The pension is 800 a month. You're 17 years but not a pension. Right. Exactly. So I guys, I appreciate the discussion. I do. So, and does that help, Ryan?

Yeah. Yeah. We we'll look into it, do some, you know, we'll check on other communities and bring it back sometime after May, I'm assuming. Yes. Yeah. Great. Absolutely. Okay. So, going back to the um city council budget, obviously we um jumped on down to um Brian was discussing training and education and travel and meetings. Um, is there anything else? Um, and we just talked about salaries, which was is the first line item. Is there anything else? Anyone has any questions on any of the other categories or accounts? Yeah, it's not a lot, but it'll it'll pay for our raises. Um,

the cable operations, Bry, I mean, we've been like, you know, five, six grand and 8,400. I mean, I'm It's not a lot of money, but it just seems like a pretty, you know, is it just we have, you know, we have a there was a point in time where we had volunteers and enough volunteers and that went away and, you know, we have a company now that uh pretty much does all of our meetings and uh they've submitted for um a slight increase. I I don't recall the current fee, but that's what it pays for. They attend the meetings. They're here tonight filming. It's Well, no. I mean, like you because you're estimating at 6,600 and then you're you're you're jumping up to 84. I mean, it's it's, you know, it's not a lot, but I was just curious just to

It's going up $50 a month. $50 a meeting. It's okay. It's going up 50 bucks a meeting. And I mean, I could look at that number again. It's it's the number of meetings that we plan times times the dollar amount. And some meetings we cancel, but we had some. So, it's in the ball. Was $300 a meeting, I believe, wasn't it? Yeah. or before when uh what's his name used to do it? He was like 250. Al L. Yeah. He was 250 and then these guys are three. These guys are going up to 350 now. Okay. That's all. Thank you, mayor. Okay. Anything else under city council budget?

Okay. And we will move on to administrative department budget. Um hard copy page four. Let's see electronic number. Um 13 13. Okay.

Do you want to start with that, Brian?

Yeah. Let me have just my computer shut for No problem. Yeah. Yeah. Again, you know, we can uh run through discretionary items. Uh Alderman McGansky did ask me about the salaries in this budget um that look to jump from the 25 actual then to the budget, then to what it is now for the estimated actual next year. And again, there was a change of some positions there that accounted for that increase, which is, you know, larger than normal. uh Julie's promotion, uh Jessica's hiring and also our part-time uh person who does some of the accounting. So, um but that was a specific question.

Yeah, I forgot about the about the other part-time person. So, it all made sense to me. Yeah. The liability insurance. Boy, yeah. Thank you.

Thank you. Well, I got that in my notes, too. Yeah, we have, you know, we're a member of Irma who's a wonderful intergovernmental group that for all of our property and casualty and 70 or 75 members in that now of public entities and in part your premium every year is based on your loss history just like your home if you had or your cars if you had a car accident you'll get dinged. We've had a number of claims over the last five years but prior to that we had some really really good years. Our premiums were really low. We got a a deduction from that and now we hit iron millions over the years. Can we point Can we point a finger to what caused I think I I 52 52% increase. Oh, it's it's doubling.

It's 100%. It's actually 100%. Yeah, it's going up to it's part loss history and um you know, we get every month we get claims reports. There's been some significant workers comp. That's the area. I mean, we've had some vehicle accidents, some property damage, but that has not been the majority of our claims. They have been workers.

It's based on a 5year average. And we've had the last five years, the two years that have the one year that's fallen off, those two years, we had like a four or $5,000 claim and four or 5,000. One of those has fallen off to be replaced by a three or $400,000. It's basically self insurance. So, you've got to make it up at some point. And the bad news is if you see he's projecting farther into next year because we have but the last good year is falling off next year. So unless we have So this isn't going away. No unless we have not in the near future it wouldn't be going away. So you got an extra 300 grand a year. I mean that's that's a big nut. Well again that's a lot of money that

I have found insurance premiums are cyclical. Uh they're up and down. We don't run bad you know bad claims forever. We've had a number really for many years. we had had really good numbers and we just have that time where we have have uh a number of claims and some of them have been costly. Now I think we've talked before as part of Irma we have also uh a pot of money there that's that is in the audit. However, every year when these increases uh I've talked to Mike and we've decided to leave that larger amount with Irma because their interest is much better than we can earn. So I mean we have that to offset but we've let it sit there.

Yeah. There's approximately $2 million sitting in reserves. Last year, I don't know if you remember when the auditors did the audit, they had a prior period adjustment for about a million dollars. They brought that into our balance sheet. So, that was the cause of that. There's a prior period adjustment a couple years ago, right?

Yeah, that was Yeah, last year they brought that in. Now, they have to account for that. So, it is reflected in our balance sheet, but we have about $2 million sitting there. The good news is they outperform anything that I'm allowed to do. Basically, I'm investing with CDs money market. So, we're getting 3 4% on our money through them. And last year, they earned over 14% on the amount we have on deposit with them. So, in my mind, it's a no-brainer leaving it with them. That gives us a little more flexibility to invest. No guarantee it's going to be 14% a year, but it should be better than the 3 or 4% that we're getting right now. So, I mean, I I mean, I'm fine with leaving it. I just think we have to find some expenses somewhere to offset that because it's not going away. And that's that's a big number in my in my

I mean universally I think everyone's seen their homeowners insurance go up and I know our um company our family business um our workman's comp went just because of two claims out of like 60 employees went up 80% kicks it up huge huge and you got you know and it's based on experience and again that's tracking a three to five year Oh yeah history is this addition to workers comp does the city have workers comp or is that our our whole property and casualty program. So, uh general lawsuits, um workers comp, auto, all of the comprehensive insurance. Yes. Everything's there.

Is is any of this because of the intergovernmental agreements with the park district for liability with the This is No, none of that's in here. No. No. So, so this is a reflection of claims that have happened over the last couple of years. Well, over five. Yeah. They do a five-year look back and when the new year comes, we get rid of this like lawsuits or is it workers comp type claim? Yeah. Yeah. Employee injuries some type. I mean, you know, we have had some that resulted in surgery. Some people are out for a while. Maybe they uh we can't bring them on light duty. Yeah. And I don't recall how many cities are involved in it, but I mean there's maybe what 40 50. I think it's probably up to 75.

75. Okay. Because we're basically self-insuring. It's our group. So it's not like we're going out to all state or state farm or anything like that. Then we're is this all employees even police as well included in in fact that's where some of the work officials for you know professional liability things like that are is also covered. Yeah. And director and officer liability. Yeah that's everything as Lisa just mentioned too we'll see the same corresponding number in water because water pays for some of that insurance also. Do any of the insurance companies give kind of incentive for like training like OSHA training, you know, for safety and so the prevent to prevent the falls and stuff so you can save on insurance costs or

IMA has small like annual awards. They might give you um a grant for something pretty minor but they do host a lot of training. Public works goes police would go um they inspect the premises look at our policy. So, they do that periodically. And, you know, I wouldn't want to get into any of the specific claims here tonight, but I'd be happy to talk to anybody, you know, uh, you know, outside of the meeting here about any specific claims or if you wanted to look at more of the loss history to get better idea of what some claims are actually costing. All right. Thank you. Any more discussion on liability insurance? Your daughter called your last. It wasn't her. Okay.

Um somebody from Medicare we can keep um moving down the page five. Um anything else on page five? Legal maintenance equipment, vehicles, postage, mailings, printing forms. Okay. Move on to page six. Public relations. This is where the citizen of the year and the newsletter.

Yeah. I mean, again, we put those in under discretion even though those are programs the city's had for a number of years now, but um we do put those to the side. Again, sometimes the the items we move to, uh maintenance or discretionary. It's not an exact science. We try to or I try to see if the council's approved things for a number of years, but also the thought of of those are really discretionary. It's not our core expenses. It's not gas for the cars. It's not salaries, you know, it's not a number of things, but I think uh the the council every year has been favorable in all of those things.

Thank you. Anything else in that area? Moving on. rents, supplies, and then we already um oh the travel we talked about it in uh um obviously in the city council version, but then there's tra training and education and travel meetings for admin. Mayor, can I go just go back one my my stuff got you know messed up here today. Consulting professional services, if you back back up on the on the one page. Okay,

we started out in 25 actual $428,000 and it's all the way up requested for $518,000. So, we're talking about AMRF, you know, being a big, you know, jump. Obviously, that's not as big of a jump as that, but what what do we know about the the reason that these things have come up, you know, pretty significantly? We know where exactly are you at? Contractual contractal services. I'm on You can get into the detail on it on the bottom of that. We're just getting to it. telephone. I thought we skipped over. Did we skip over it? Never mind. There you go. You're looking at the main. Yeah, you're you're below where we're at. We're still in operating costs.

Okay. Okay. Anything else in operating costs? Okay, then we will go ahead and skip or not skip, go down to the next category, which is contractual services. Oh, I'm sorry, Mary. Yeah, I I you didn't do anything on telephone. This is an area I think we could pick up something. We've been budgeting about 43 435 through the beginning of February. We're only at about $19,000 in there. Uh it just seems like historically we've run about $10,000 under that. Yeah, we'll take a look at that also. Okay. Yeah. Throw it toward liability insurance. Right. Right. Right. Hey, it all helps.

Especially if we've tracked It's not going away. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Sorry. No, no problem. That's a good point. Um, so they'll review the estimates on that for the budget. Um, moving on to contractual services. Um, obviously we have the audit and then under that consulting professional services. Um, Alderman Kenny. Yep. So, we're at 420 we're at 428,025 and then we've kind of jumped kind of jumped up just under $100,000 over the two years. So, what how does that go about? You got contracts. Did it go up that much?

Yeah. One one of the things I don't have here, alderman, is my current budget book. So, I would have to look at those. Uh Lisa, do you know what the computers I don't recall the increase there. Yeah, the um computers, there's a cost in there that you'll see in the backup. uh Outlook is no longer going to be supported and they're looking at Office 365. So the cost of that is about 50,000. Got it. And it's an annual 26,000 thereafter. Yeah. That went from 65,000 last year to about 135,000 this year. Is our computers going to be able to support what they're going to roll out? Yes. Okay. Correct.

Yeah, we're on a threeear Sorry. No, you're fine. 3 to four year rotation. Okay. Yeah, I missed that. Sorry. And then what's the CJIS software maintenance? That's for the police department that sages. It's police. We have to Yeah. Um I mean I would I'd like to bring up the recycle event, electronic recycle event. I mean I know that I think we looked at this in admin finance and I think the usage has come down a little bit. Um, yeah, we last time we uh last budget year we talked because we had had it a couple years in a row, we talked about maybe every other year. So again, it's here if the council wants to offer it. We did not have it now. Yeah, we did not have it this year.

Correct. Not this year. Correct. I mean, I I'd vote to take it out again just to offset some of this liability insurance. Yeah, I don't have a record of but we are getting several calls asking about it for whatever input that is. I don't have that number as a specific And if I remember correctly, the way LRS conducted it was they mailed everybody a postcard and you had to opt into it. It wasn't like how correct. Yes. It wasn't how like when the Rotary Club has done it here where like you bring things to it. They will pick it up at your home, but you have to let them know to pick it up at your home.

Yeah. And you know, again, some of that is is convenience. I don't know other than you know where residents would still have options to drop things off if it's printers, maybe smaller monitors. Um, but it is it is hopefully an incentive for people to get rid of things. That was the original intent. It was six items. Yeah. I know Burr Ridge has like a permanent at their public works drop off place. That's where I go. Yeah. Typically there like things like TVs, right? They have to pay to pay there's some fees for um again we and I got yelled at for dropping off a year only based on a discussion last year. So, it's 100% council policy.

If they had an event instead of doing it through their system, would it be a different price? Do you know if LRS had an event at city hall one day and people brought it in more like what other drop off? Um, we have never talked to them, but that's a good idea. It should be It should be significantly less, I would think, but we would Right. Cuz it wouldn't be We did that what, six years ago? Yeah, we did that once. I know. When the environmental committee used to do it. Yeah. Yeah. And when it went over like a went over like a boom and then after stopped it, the Rotary Club did it a bunch of times. Not for electronics. Oh, it wasn't electronics. Okay, you're right. Okay, but maybe this year if we could look into seeing what they would charge to run one of those events, that might make more sense.

Yeah. Save a few thousand. So, will she look into a drop off? Yeah. What they would char what the price difference between having them do it and having a drop off. Okay. Issue I see is that Saturday I'm just going to make Yeah, it's more convenient on the weekend, but you know Yeah. Anytime I've seen recycle electronic recycling events, it's usually on a Saturday. Saturday. Yeah. And Mike, who charges bank fees? Is that the operating account or what's that on? Oh, which account does that? She tracks that because we get a credit. Julie, you could explain it better than me. So you're asking

bank fees $8,500. So that's all of the bank fees for um us accepting a payments. Um basically it's all through Republic Bank. So mostly merchant services and everything. Merchant services. Um yeah, every time we take a check there's a small charge. Um anytime we do an a there's a charge. So it's about $400 to $500 a month generally. We used to net that against the interest or something, didn't we? And now we started breaking it out to have a better reflection of it. Anybody negotiate any of that or you kind of I did cuz they were more at around 1,200. Um so I did a month. So I did speak with them and they got it down to I think it's right around 450. That's something you can always try to beat them up on. So you have ready. Yeah.

Thank you. Great. So just to go back to LRS electronic recycling, you're going to explore the possibility of a one-day event. Yes. And see what that will be. So this is something we'll come back to. Yes. Okay. Is that good with you, Alderman McGansky? Okay. So, we'll come back to that. Hopefully, we can get that information before next week. Okay. Wonderful. Um, anything else under consulting and professional services?

We do have in there um to update the city videos. Uh, several years ago, we made a couple videos. One was geared towards residential, one was geared towards like the business community. And as part of the strategic plan, we had uh said in there that we would update those videos. Uh and the time frame would be the next fiscal year, but again, that's discretionary for the council. How old are those now? They're like six years old, aren't they? Six or almost seven years old. We we did the first or second year.

Can I Can I make a suggestion? Do we really need two videos? I mean, I just feel like because I I mean, I like there was a little bit of repetition. I I feel like one video could really be give enough information for a resident or a business. You know, pumping up Darian, why Darian is a nice place to live, what it has to offer. I I just don't think you you need both. I looked at those two mirror for a while to compare, but I know with the business, it was really geared if a business was coming. Yeah. kind of like Chuck was I mean I was like definitely people were Yeah, we would I mean if if the council would rather have one, we would have to uh produce it to where it applies to both and it's attractive to both

suggest we did not have 30 businesses watch the video and come in, you know, to locate Darian. So it's it's obviously very nice, but I just think if we I think a a one hype video that is hyping durian for you know whether you want to come have a vacation here, please do or you know move here or open a business here. I just think a one hype video would be you know but I'm not talk to the communications experts. I'm kind of an amateur communications person. Is that a change and we should make I just I'm just making a suggestion. I think it's a good suggestion.

Yeah. I mean I mean it's it's not a huge amount of money but it could save us a couple thousand dollars and I think it would you know be more uniform. How long are the I'm sorry. How long are the videos right now? Approximately three minutes. Yeah. Are those on the website? Is that where you find those? Yeah. We had send those out. We were trying to attract a business to dairy in the just on court shopping center and part of our process in doing that is we sent them

the uh the business one. Um so we have used that other than just leaving it on the website but they are outdated the people not that the people in them are outdated but uh some of the stuff in there is outdated. Mary um Brian can you see how many times it it gets hit you know on the site? I mean, so is one getting more hits than the other and how many are we even getting? Are people even utilizing it? I mean, if it's not getting a lot of hits, then maybe Well, to go back to one video for this one video, because wouldn't the businesses find value in it knowing the residential component of the town, too? If they're putting their business, they're customers, right? I would think. Yeah.

I like the idea of keeping both of a new one for each. I see a value, especially with some of the things we're looking at. If you look further down, our strategic plan for 28 has uh attracting new residents to the city of Jerry. You know, we're we're pushing in a direction now where we're trying to attract businesses and residents and especially businesses and having that video that we could utilize more often, I think, is a big plus for us. I'd like to keep it in there. We we don't it is very reactive now. We could certainly make use that video again and be more proactive like we did with Chestnut Core. Sure. All right. I'm not asking you to cut it in half. I'm just making a suggestion. No, I I'm just trying to get input. So, we

Yeah. Anyone else have anything else to add about the videos? The mayor is saying that doing two separate ones or a bigger attraction. I I think we should keep two then because it sounds like you've gotten some pretty good hits out of it or responses. So that we'll have to I mean we'll have to check the hits as we get the numbers. Let's see. Yeah. Yeah. Let's just see what kind of traction it gets and go from there. Okay.

Moving down to contingency. I don't think that's anything then janitorial services on the next page. Page seven. building improvements and equipment. Anything else on the administrative department budget takeaways are would love to do something about our liability insurance. um the LRS recycle event and um there'll be more internal staff discussion about the videos.

Possible foam reduction on 10. Oh, the foam reduction. Thank you. I didn't write that on this, but I circled it there. Good job. And that was 10426. Okay, let me just highlight that real quick. I wrote it in pen and I didn't. Okay, great. Every little bit helps. Okay, so I believe the next we're going to go on to is community development department.

Yes. Okay. Okay. So, that is page 80. Jerry, do you know what? Uh, yes. It's uh hard copy 81 uh on line 89. Okay. The summary page is page 80. Um I mean the overview page spreadsheet. Yeah. The summary goes into Yeah. So, okay, great. Um Dan, you want to take over there? Sure, I'd love to. Uh and I'm sorry, Jerry, what was electronically? This 80. No. 88. 88. I'm sorry. Oh, 88 for the recap. 89 starts to detail.

I actually wrote them on mine. So, I'm going to be scrolling through it all the time. First time. We'll do that next year. First time I don't bring paper. And sure enough, paper was uh golden today. Well, you know, just when you have to start scrolling, it's like where do you find it? Yeah. Especially since we're going out of order because there's other budgets ahead of that. So, you know, you could type, you know, you could type the number up on up on top, right? Yes. Yes. But I didn't know the Yeah, I said. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm just Thank you. Welcome. Not bad for bully, huh? Not at all. Thank you. I'm just oldfashioned. I write everything down. Thank you, Dan.

Sure. From our uh from our perspective, uh the community development FYE26, the estimated actual you'll see uh is 1.294 294 basically um running uh on schedule or a little bit above schedule due to some revenues uh uh from the building department themselves. So again the building department while they have revenues from the permits uh permit fees uh there is an offset on those for some of consultation for the inspections and third party services of that sort. Uh I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this uh page 88 for now. If listeners any specific questions, we can jump into the actual uh details if you'd like. Sure. Sounds good to go. Go for it.

Um, with that said, I think, you know, let's uh Mary, please let me know if you want me to go through every line item or if you want if any of the if the committee would like to basically go through the line items and just question any line items that may be out of sync. When you get down to 4240, let me know. Yes. So why don't we start with the first summary page um that includes salaries, benefits, and operating. Um let's start from the top and if there's anyone have any questions um you know raise your hand and Dan will hit it for you.

Why didn't your liability insurance go up? You know, we did talk about the insurance, but also you'll see through the departments, uh, just again like your homeowners or your car, we do have deductibles. So, if there's a vehicle accident, um, it's a $2,500 deductible. And Irma's very aggressive at subregation, you know, we'll get a lot of that back. But, so you you will see uh deductibles throughout the budget. anything under operating costs. Um, if we go to under the economic development 350 is, you know, standard for Walmart. Um, I'm assuming

Home Depot's dropped off then. Is that the story? This was the last year I believe it was or last year. Was it last year for Home Depot? Yes. Last we made the last payment. That's not saying they may not come back. That's the next question. Have you heard anything or nothing? No, keep on we're on video. Thanks, Michael. Yeah. No, I think there's some new excitement that's going to be happening there that's going to really, you know, entail them to uh stay. Okay. Um, if I could just back up on 20 4213, you may notice some increases there. And again, they're not really increases. What it boils down to, and I beat you to the punch, huh, Jerry?

Oh, good. Thank you. uh but uh in respect to that what we've done is taken all dues, subscriptions, licensing and com put them into one category versus them being in separate budgets. So this way it's one clear uh platform now and especially you know over the last several years you know we have all this uh licensing whether it's laser fish whether it's open gov whether it's permitting uh software licensing and things of that sort. So, here it is. This is the grand uh ballpark right here. The b uh the uh the building code enforcement, I know it hasn't really taken off the way we thought with residents using it. Correct.

I wouldn't say that. No, it's been working out rather well. It's getting there because I remember we early on we had conversations that people were reluctant to sometimes do it because they have to leave their name or their email address. So, are people starting to use it now? Yes, a lot of general contractors are using it. So majority of uh our permits are general contractors. Uh whereas there is some you know there's permits on the on the

code enforcement excuse me. Uh it's a combination of we're getting them uh through the work order work order system and some are calls. Again you know with the calls it's it's very dimminimous at best. I mean, if there's an issue out there, it's an issue and people will put it out there and we're still trying to circumvent, you know, what's the opportunities of making it anonymous? We do have some capabilities and it's not refined yet. To your point, when someone calls or if it's reported through an older person, does it then get input in the Yes. What we'll do is we'll talk

Yeah. cuz I know that's a way of I I figured it was I'm asking it cuz I know the answer already but because then it it gets tracked cuz like Yeah. from the historical part cuz that was kind of a disconnect before. Yes. Yes. I just know residents have been reluctant to do it themselves. They're like no jury you do it. You know what I mean? They don't they're they don't want to be and if they email you technically that's you know their names out there too. That's exactly it. A lot of you know a lot of residents are not familiar with the foyer. you know, whatever is submitted to us electronically has the ability to be uh foyer, freedom of information act, that is for those that are watching. Um, so we are obligated to give that information to the source that's requesting it.

Is that okay? Getting started. Great explanation. Anything else? Um, so that explains you you've put it all together and it's a good way of tracking it too because then you don't lose track of like when like us average folk, do I have a subscription to this online or this magazine or this service? Yeah, it's like your home account. Next thing you know, you got Apple Pay here and you got Discover here or American Express, whatever. So, at least consolidating it. Yes. Great. Anything else on the first page of the community development department budget summary? Page 81, hard copy. Okay, moving on to the next one.

You know, if I could just back up for a minute on the adjudication. Uh, as we all know, adjudication was recently started this year. So, I was going to ask that so I got it highlighted. How's it going? Boy, I'm beating you in all the questions here. Uh I don't have the final numbers yet, but my goal is to have a full year and uh obviously there there's some fines and the fines are now being collected 100% versus uh and Julie, correct me if I'm wrong, when we were going to DuPage County, it was anywhere from uh 3% up to 12% if I'm not mistaken. It has to help us. It does. Again, I don't want to I don't want to be conservative and I want to make sure, you know, we're not out again, like I said before, pounding the ground for fines.

You know, our goal is for compliance and not bring people in. So, instead of going through wheat and you're doing it here. Yes. Yes. That's all I have for that. Just feedback. Well, that was on the next page anyways that you know. That's why you jump. Yeah. I was a second because I'm like where where did that go? Yeah, it's in Okay. Okay. So that was um is there anything above on the next page above contractual services or below contractual services consulting anything like that?

Okay, Dan, anything else on uh we just have one uh basically for laser fish for the clerk's office. So uh um you know there's any questions basically a carryover. We're hoping we have the opportunity to get into the rest of the files upstairs to be able to uh either a determine whether or not they need to be scanned and or uh um put into a uh I'll call it a recycling bin for disposal. So, I'm not sure if Joanne if you uh want to expound on anything on that, you know, cuz that's that's they're all locked. All the cabinetry is locked and we don't have the opportunity to get in there.

And as far as uh scanning the documents, we go into those files maybe once or twice a year for request. And with the cost that it would be to scan and the amount of time that we spend searching the file for it, is that beneficial? Well, the question is is the files that are in there number one, do they need to they need to be inventoried first and foremost? Uh whether they need to be scanned or disposed of. They may they may already be duplicates of previous documents. In other words, we did a lot of resolutions already. We did a lot of ordinances and uh some of the stuff is basically probably outdated if needed at all. So we have no inventory.

You're chasing good money after good. That's how I look at it. If you're going to clean it up and get it under microfish and not have to worry about it in the future, why not?

Correct. You know, so that again that was the carryover, but I just wanted to get some feedback from the clerk at the same time. Um so we need to basically inventory you at a bare minimal. What's the difference between laser fish forgive me if I'm ignorant and you know using cloud services and would there be a cost benefit for putting stuff up in the cloud and would it be easier for us to you know obtain that data if we have data if we have a data management employee the answer would be yes and again there's there's software updates to laser fish there's constant updating to laserfish uh and and Julie I know she was a great asset on laser fish as well so um I'd love to you know ask Julie for some additional input on that question if that's okay. All right, by all means.

Um, so specifically what are you asking about with the laser? So laser fish that's it's pretty much the the data is is is hard is hard data that's that's stored with here within with our campus. No, no, it's stored off it's stored in the cloud somewhere. That's what that's what I'm asking. It is a cloud so it's not taking up all the space on our drive. Okay. So I've always remember laser fish being something totally different. That's why I started you preface by I might and micro fish. Remember those micro fish? files. That's what I was thinking. Forgive me. That's that's that's exactly right. That's exactly what I thought. Thank you. Cuz those microfish, some of them are legible anymore to be honest. Yeah. Thank you very much. I'm sorry. All right. So, we answered the question. I'm sorry. A little bit.

Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. I'm an idiot. Thanks. Can we show the microfish on those pintos that we used to own? Oh, maybe not. So, is this the last um component in city operations to be digitized or

correct? Yeah, it's still in the budget this year. Again, you know, if if there's an opportunity uh where we can have, you know, access to the the file drawers and inventory, there's an opportunity that we could have it done prior to May 1st, but again, I don't want to get all the inventory and then tell then TKB who's got the current contract for them to say, hey, you know, it's going to take a little longer to make. So at worse it's a carryover is what it is and it's uh the the amount may be reduced but I we don't know until there's a physical inventory and see if there's any duplication. So that's one thing we need to actually move on and the original plan was to include all that. Yeah. Nothing new. It's just we haven't

just did not have the access. So what does it take to get the access Joanna locking the files giving us the keys to the files. Okay. because my files were walking and that's why we lock our cabinets cuz we didn't know who had taken the files out of the cabinets. Okay, Dan. So, can we get this all worked out? Dan, did you take the Sure. If we take the Yeah, Julie responsibility. Julie could be assigned the keys. Julie could be assigned the keys and uh you know, again, I think the accountant's the safest uh

uh person on staff. There you go, Julie. But I know Julie oversees certain things with the administrative. So, you know, we would task Jessica on there again with uh inventorying and, you know, kind of move it and either get rid of the file cabinets and make room. Dan, every other file you you've uh scanned and taken, there's not been any problems. No. No. And we've It's actually been helpful because we can purge some of the documents. All you need to do is look at the city hall office area how it was just a short time ago. those of you that recall. Yeah, the clutter is a lot much better.

And again, back here, what you see now is somewhat due to the flood. So, uh, as soon as these guys are done here with that portion of it, uh, we're going to go back in here and everything is labeled what needs to be, um, basically not scam was really destroyed. Uh, it is destroyed through a shredder. So, a lot of things have been submitted to the state. A lot of things are just waiting for the state to comply to tell us yes, you can destroy this. the shredder will be uh and a shredder is already budgeted and and that's the minimus. How much faster it is to find this stuff on a computer? Come on. I mean, from my opinion, it's that's the no-brainer right there.

It is. I I will say, you know, I was a little hesitant at first and how we would really use it and how quick it would be. And you know, I've asked mostly Julie for documents that normally we would have to go in the basement and they were here like in 10 seconds she could retrieve them. Very, very helpful. So Dan, once we inventory it, you'll have a better idea of what we're asking to spend. Yes. Good. Okay. And of course, the clerk will be able to go through it, you know, uh with uh Jessica and or the list and make further determinations and recommendations.

Okay, great. Any other questions on um the community development department budget? Okay, great. Why don't we take a five minute break and grab a snack, go to the bathroom, and then we'll get right into streets. Is that okay? Streets. Right. Streets before capital. Dan, I'm fine. Whatever you like to do before, you should go first. Yeah, that's what I thought. Okay.

I keep looking for Brian. He's right in front of me next to Lisa. It's like really confusing. Yeah, I'm easily confused. Okay, so we're going to start right into the streets department. Dan Gbeck,

I'm just going to give you a quick recap here. Obviously, the budget for FY26 was uh 930,000 and the act I'm excuse me uh what's 4.179 and the actual that we're looking at coming in is 3.49. So with that savings uh you know obviously the generators were the maintenance on the building the vacuums I think there was some reduction um in conjunction there'll be some carryover on that as well and the equipment uh came in slightly under two. So um there's some bragging right there if you want to say to uh some of the opportunities that we had um more or less benefited over the course of the year. Just out of curious on street sweeping budgeted 497, we're coming in at 44. Is that accurate with that early snowstorm that we got?

Well, what we're coming in at is basically the answer to your question is no. But do I still plan on coming in at that number? Yes. With some additional sweeps that are being scheduled so we can circumvent some of the concerns. Gotcha. Excellent. With that said, I'd be more than happy to start uh the line items. Yeah, we'll start on page 116, the summary page. Can I talk about page just a little bit? You want to start on You want to do the overview page? Yes. Okay.

I'm just comparing some of the numbers in here to our year-to- date numbers that I have Julie gave me like through February 1st. Anyway, uh a couple of the items, consulting professional services, budgeting, 55,000 estimated actual versus 45 budgeted. um consulting professional services. We're only at about $9,000 on February 1st. So, we still have a bunch to come in on on that. Sorry, Mike. Let me get that for a moment. So, consulting professional services

count 4325 traction. So they're still predicting that for fiscal year 26 we'll be at 55, right? And you're saying as of February we're at nine. We're at nine. Wow. Okay. You know on things like that if we could make a note and check. So that'll probably help. That's fine. Go back into the budget book and see cuz I've got a couple more of those. So So 50 4325. We'll do an overall audit on it.

Uh the next one we have is forestry account 4350. uh projecting that at 373 we're at 264 through February 1st and not a big difference but it's 100 grand. That 100 grand should be uh due to the uh grant that's going to be coming in all from a revenue side. But the we have not let me double check that Mike cuz I'm no the the 100 grand already got reflected in here. I think Julie didn't get reflected in the first February for for the you're talking about arboritum forestry. You're talking about the arboritum received that money. Yeah, we haven't received that money yet. No, but but this is the expense side of it. Correct. That's why I'm

the expense came in this month. The expense is in the correct in the amount that I'm reflecting. That's what I'm saying. The expense is reflected in the 273. Yeah. There's still a um explanation of why why we have another 100 to go. I'm sorry that you mentioned we're at 264. The budget's 373. You're coming in at 373. So I'm wondering we have another 100 grand in the next couple months. You know what that's actually what it was is that when the grant came in it wasn't budgeted for. So uh that's why.

Okay. And the last one is uh drainage projects uh but forecasted at 95 which is good. That's coming in under uh but we're only at 31 through fee early February. That's it. That's all we plan on spending 30. And for reason, the reason for that is we had some inventory. The inventory didn't work out. Um, so the projects didn't go through. And in addition to that, never mind the other ones in capital. You're projecting 95 versus the 31 that we're at currently. We'll look to lower that, Mike, if it's Yes. We weren't sure yet. So I was hoping that two projects were going to go and they were going to go in April yet, but then

they fell through. That's all I have on the cover sheet. Okay. So, it sounds like we'll have some savings or added income. Little ragging rights, Mike. Mhm. All right. Thank you. Okay. Let's call it the fugaly. Then we'll go um into the summary pages. We'll start with 116. Dan, if you want to go ahead start with uh 40. Is there anything you want to highlight on the first which is salaries, benefits, operating?

No, I'd rather do the same procedure like we just did and then if there's something that I see again I think the only thing dues and subscriptions again to everybody's point they've been synced with the department and what it's for. Hepatitis shots are up to two grand now. Really? Wow. That's for that's for the entire department. And again, hepatitis shots. We don't know yet for sure whether or not uh Irma is going to be mandating uh due to the safety concerns of really what it is. Guys crawling into manholes. You got to get them done. I'm just surprised by that. You know, yes, it's a series of shots from what I understand. Oh, okay. So, just one. Okay. Gotcha.

If we can back up way to salaries for our summer help. Last year we had 10 we were projecting and we budgeted $10,000. This year we're projecting six and budgeting 25,000. Actually, it's still 10 split between the departments and uh I know Brian and I worked through all that. Brian, you want to Yeah, I'll have to look at those numbers, Mike. I think what what happened last year um is we were light on the salaries because the we weren't able to hire any summer kids. We had to give a a bit more of an increase. So I just need to check those numbers and make sure they're because there's another 30 in the MFTt for seasonal.

Yeah, correct. So we have 55,000 budgeted for seasonal. That is correct. Now, just so you understand, the reason that we have seasonal help and MFTt is because the work I've calculated that it takes about $30,000. I I don't have a problem with spreading it. It's just the amount is a lot higher this year than it was last year. That is correct. And that's what that's what uh Brian was going to address here.

That's fine. And then Dan, I'm looking at salaries. I mean, and I'm and I'm looking back a couple years, but we had a big jump from 24 to 25 in salaries, and the overtime was came down like I thought it should, okay? Because we we put on some, you know, some positions and now it just seems that we're, you know, even though we've got the salaries up, it just seems our overtime's creeping back up again. Well, actually through February, the overtime, we've got 103 budgeted, and I think that's is that what he's projecting coming in at? 88. 88. And at the first part of February, it's only running 23. So it does seem to be running. Oh, good. As of February 1st anyway, not saying we can't have more snowtorms and stuff,

right? That was compensated for with an average of 23 storms, 23 events that we should get, but but it does seem to be running lower than Okay, I'm fine. Thank you. Maybe people can instead of plowing the streets, help wash the mud off people's cars. I know. And all the crazy the mud storm. Any more questions on salaries?

Uh yeah, I guess on the medical life insurance uh that last year we budgeted 176. This year's down to 153. Uh yet PD is up and this one is down. Uh just seems like it should all be up. PD Mike PD we looked at a full complement of employees because we've been down um you know on our numbers and in the chief's budget he can go over but he's looking at insurance for more employees that maybe were on single to family. Okay. Yeah. But and this year is down about 20,000 is what I'm saying for streets. No for streets.

Oh for streets. They're um I think we had budgeted initially because these people were allowed to get family insurance or they were you know anticipating to have insurance and they're still either on their parents or they're taking single. It just seemed inconsistent. So I I just wanted to make sure it was analyzed. Okay. Okay. I'm done.

Okay. Any other questions on um salaries benefits operating? Okay, we'll move on to the next page. Maintenance building just from my point, you know, one of the things is to carry over with the generators. We're starting to work on them. So, I anticipate that it'll be completed sometime in June, July. So that's why there's there was some carryover to that. My question is about the generator because it does show carryover. Last year showed 50,000. This year shows carryover but it's changed to 95,000.

The carryover from last year 50. Well, last year said city hall generator 50,000. This year's 95,000 is showing as a carryover. I'd have to double check you. Yeah, I'm not sure why. Yeah, I'd have to double check that. And then Dan on that 20,000 for tuck pointing study. What's a study? I mean, um, you just do it or I mean, well, Brian and I talked about this. You know, it's we need a professional to come in here and tell us,

you know, what's going on with the mortar. Is it or isn't it? You know, it's a lot of money. for the proposal for the work to be done. It's a lot of money. So the 20 thou 20,000 is for somebody to tell us. No, it's not going to be just for a study. The 20,000 would be to do the work study. Just the study. So Dan, what was the estimate? I believe the estimate for the tuck pointing was over 140,000 150,000.

So you know, we're going to we're going to try to do it systematically by having trades come in here and see what the trades say. see if we can get some type of median from three, four trades to tell us, okay, you do need tuck pointing or whatever the case is and see what the real costs are. I'm just a little skeptical on you need a study to do that. I mean, I would just call in a bunch of I call it I call it a study slash uh you know professional somebody that deals with masonry. Dan, I think the the number you just gave though that was probably city hall city hall and police I thought was a lot more. Correct. That's was for the PD only I think it was 140. I mean, so what's unique about our tugpointing? We need to have a study. I'm just I mean I don't want to be a but it doesn't make any sense. Let me

That's a consultant, right? That we had somebody looking at the roof. That person also contracts for tuck pointing. Told Dan we need some and correct me if I'm wrong. Dan told me we need some tuck pointing to the tune of probably a half a million dollars. So if we need tuck pointing, we just thought we better have because of the expensive project that could potentially be, we better have somebody tell us if we really do need that or not. Cuz if you just if you call in contractors to look at the tuck pointing, they're not independent. When was the last time we had it done? It was never. It's never been done. Never been done.

No. And and again, what's the severity of it? Number one, and the specification on the tuck pointing well. me as a homeowner would say, "Oh, that's easy. Just scrape out scrape out some of the mortar and fill it in. What is the proper um way to do it?" You know, is it a quarter inch thick? Do you need to grind it out? So on and so forth. So if we're going to do something, I want to make sure that it's done correctly and under some type of standards. So with this this is just basically calling in a you know when I say study a consultant a consultant that deals with nothing but mortar for example brick you know it's like a concrete person concrete consultant that deals with uh nothing but flat work.

So what are we going to learn though? We don't have a proposal we really need to do it and the severity of it and what needs to be done. We don't have anybody on staff that can say, "Hey, this thing needs uh, you know, it's painting. You know, what kind of paint do you put on a wall?" So, does you know, what kind of tuck pointing do you need to have done? What is the standard? Because your feeling is that by bringing in people to bid on it, they you don't you don't know what they're going to actually be bidding on because it might not be a complete or that contractors might just say, "Well, you need it all done because it's a it's a job." Right. Exactly. I want to make sure I have oranges to oranges and not apples to oranges with the you know and we'll have a price variation from 50 bucks.

So once he says what you need to do that's that's the spec you're going to give out to the correct to the vendors and say this is what we want you to do. Let's see the bids. Yeah. So it's almost a pre- bid but based on some type of standards and Dan we don't we don't have a proposal yet but we thought we put in 20 a proposal might be less for an independent consultant to help us but that's kind of a placeholder till we can get some proposals even from a consultant. Right. There's no there's no backup on the request form here because estimate that it's going to be $20,000, right? Okay. Are there tech pointing consultants? I mean, we're consultants, you know, there's the concrete uh institute of the uh concrete technology.

So, there's some sources out there and you know, while preparing the budget, we had a number, we pulled it out because it was just in my opinion astronomical. So, if it comes in at that price, I was proven wrong. Uh, but I just did not feel at the time with the one proposal, by the time we had additional bids, I wouldn't was not going to be apples to apples cuz the fact is if you spend 20,000, you get six or seven different bids out of it and you get the best one knowing exactly what needs to be done. Correct. It's worth it. Correct. It's just like the generators to be honest with you. I mean, we're talking about a building here that's over 60 years old and a building over there that's over 30 years old.

Correct. Correct. And this building has been painted. That's that's part of it, too. I don't feel comfortable that we need tuck pointing on this end. On that end, probably. So, it's a again a lot of monies that I can't If you tuck point this, you do tuck pointing on this building, then you're going to have to go back and paint it again. Well, that's exactly it. And do we need that? No,

Mary, I'm sorry. One other point for for some of the larger projects like this before, we may have taken it out of streets, but it it creates too much of a fluctuation. So, a project like this in a three-year forecast, we did put in the capital projects budget. And as an example, the number that Dan was looking at, very preliminary, was the city hall and police department at 480,000. So we plugged that number in in fiscal year 28 in the capital projects. So whether or not we come in at that, we'll know sometime this year if that number's good or not for the following year.

Okay. But the the study per se is in um streets because that's where the building maintenance. Yeah, that's a smaller number. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Um any more questions on maintenance of the building category 4223. Okay. Anything on maintenance equipment? Okay. Moving on to maintenance vehicles. The vector truck. It's a item there. It's that's I'm sorry. That's just basically a maintenance.

I just didn't point it out because I know there's backup for it. So, questions on any of the maintenance vehicles. Okay.

Going on to rent equipment. There's backup on a tub grinder. Again, a tub grinder is something that's, you know, we put it in discretionary every year. And what it is is tub grinder that basically takes our chips that we grind uh from the trees from a chipping program and then we basically double grind it. And the double grinding becomes a value uh to residents in which case then we basically go and uh sell it back to sales through sales uh from the department. And that basically equates to about $3,500 roughly in sales. Yes, the expense is a little more, but again, it's a benefit that we provide to the residents. Great. Any more questions on page 117? Okay, let's move on to 118. supplies other

questions on category 4257. Thanks. I just got a question on barricade rental. It's we do it every year. It's like at some point wouldn't it be cheaper to buy barricades than than to rent them every year? The problem is that we typically don't have enough and storage. number two. Um, you know, so it's a combination. I don't know what a barricade cost, but I can't imagine. We own barricades. This is for more barricades. This we need for this event only.

For for the event. Yeah. And I forgot what the total is. Maybe a hundred or so. Um, and again, I'm just spitballing that, but it's a massive number of barricades and for us to house all that, you know, becomes a concern. And you got the battery maintenance on those as well. Okay. Um, so it's it's really it's cheaper to rent than it is to buy in this case. They're just dropping the barricades off, right? They're not they're not they're dropping them off. That is correct.

Okay. Any more questions? Um, holiday lights, speed limits, signs. Okay, moving on. Small tools, training. Telephone again, uniforms, utilities, vehicle, anything there? Okay, contractual services. Nope. Okay, moving on to the next page. 119. Janitorial services. Okay. And then moving on to forestry. We've got back up on fertilization

in the forestry. And I'm going to be uh I just brought this up to Brian the other day. We just had a recent bid opening. We restructured some of the bids. I can tell you that we're going to have a savings of about 15,000. Um so again without not boring the committee here with all the separate details uh in the upcoming agendas coming up to municipal services uh this week and again the numbers will be adjusted accordingly. So I'll uh submit those to Brian. That's great news. Um what what what two signs are being replaced now? I'm sorry. Two entryway sign replacements. It's a little further down. Okay. Uh

last slide. 60,000. Which locations are those? Uh Cass Avenue and uh 83rd Streets. The Cass Avenue. Are we getting insurance from Cass Avenue coming uh southbound at 67th Street? Got uh we've tried to basically what's happened is they're disintegrating. Yeah. We're changing like the type of material that these things will last longer. Yes. Uh I know we're going looking at the aluminum. Basically, it's an aluminum type. We just from an accident that occurred that we got reimbured on up on frontage road.

Um it looks good. Um so I'm not sure if anybody's had the opportunity to really look at it or if they've noticed it. Obviously at 40 m hour, 40, you know, 30 m per hour, whatever the case is, you don't see the degragation on it, nor do you know if it's aluminum or if it's a real brick and mortar. I I mean I think it looks I mean I haven't gotten out and like walked up to it but having driven by it in like every direction it looks really good.

That that's you know that's the general consensus. I look at it and obviously when I get out and look at it I'm seeing something else than the rest of the public is seeing. I'm seeing more detail and I'm saying this is fake. But, you know, again, the perception at 30 m, 40 mph is a different perception altogether. So, these are the aluminum. That's the aluminum, the one up on frontage in uh um Cass. So, that's what you're thinking. You'll put it Cass southbound. And then where's the second one? 83rd Street. Uh that'd be um west of Lamar Road and east of uh uh Woodward. Yeah. And you know, it just fades. Oh, yeah. It's just you can't even see it. Yeah,

we tried to, you know, do some preventive maintenance on it. We had somebody come in that uh has the ability to do some painting and the grooves. It worked for 3 4 months, maybe a year. It was a band-aid. It was. And again, if it would have worked, then we we would continue that maintenance, but it's just getting to the point where it we tried, doesn't work. We need to move on. So, you think we'll get a longer life out of these then, too?

Oh, definitely. Definitely. I mean, the one on Lamont Road uh is also an aluminum. Um, and the reason for that was cuz those were uh per ID do standards to get the permit. That's what we needed to do. Um, so the one element road still looks again, it's almost 50 m hour. Um, and once we put the lighting on there, I think it's really going to just, you know, brighten it up. No pun intended. It's not going to rust. It's just paint, right? I mean, eventually whatever.

Yeah. Those, you know, again, the longevity, the longevity is supposed to be close to 50 years. It's been going on, oh gosh, probably close to 20 now. So, um, you know, we got a good life out of them and minimal investment in the beginning. Dan, how often do we have to paint the sign out here on city hall? I'm working on that one right now as we speak. So, what we did is uh uh it's been taking it working on another paint job or getting something replaced. No, we're going to try to paint trying to paint first. So, you know, um we're going to do some basically bondo. Um I hate to say that, but again,

are we are we rehabbing a car or we're doing 77 Pac? Just let me have it. It's a rustic sign, first of all. So, is it because we want the OG feel and it being authentic? Sort of. You got the OG feel. I think like what uh um uh uh Brookeridge, you know, the airport, they used to have those and then they updated them and you know, it just seemed like they

we'll see what it looks like and then, you know, it's it this one should not be a big expense. So again, if there's an expense, too, we'll bring it back to the committee and council, but I don't see, you know, we still utilize the cornerstones if you want to say cornerstones, could they use some faceelift again? You know, it's a do they need to be chuck pointed? Uh, water feature. Are you looking for a water feature? Keep going. Let's see. Noted. Water feature. Uh, um, I'm sorry, Dan. Uh, back on back up on forestry. That fertilization, all that cost this year, how does that compare to what we paid? That's what I was just uh referring to. We have a $15,000 savings that will be realized. 15,000 savings.

15,000. Yes. Thank you. He just They just had bid openings. That's okay. Thank you. Okay. And um I know in here there's like landscaping for the marquee and stuff. Um but I I've noticed a lot more activity, a lot of new ads and and promos on the marquee. That was with the city council direction and you know, we've been putting more things on there, reaching out to some of the businesses and you know, hey, get get into this. So, I think the more that's going on there, the more people are seeing it. Again, the next option is whether or not we want to open it open it up to outsiders.

Are we getting some payment on some of them? Yeah, I think it's uh was that one? I don't have the schedule in front of me, but there is some payment. It's been discounted and I've noticed some regular businesses on there. That's why is on there way back on there. I'd rather see that than Yeah. Yeah. Okay. People like the sign. People Somebody told me this weekend. They like going past that intersection just so they can read the sign. That was the ice sculptures. Joe, got to attract some new residents. You're right. Get that video going. And I thought I could put the new sign on the video.

But they sign wasn't on the video. Believe it. Wow. When that's the highlight of my day, it's over. Amen to that. People frozen waterfall. I've had a lot of people I've had a lot of people make comments on the signs. Some positive, some negative, but I have not had one person say I want to drive by it just to see it. Put put an ant up there for pickle ball or something. I never when I heard it, I couldn't believe it.

I tell you, I tell you, I tell you, maybe they're sitting on the bench by the the clock tower watching the water features on the one side of the road and the sign on the other. That is a life. I hope they're eating some ice cream or having a cheese steak sandwich. Wait till they see the new wall. Oh, yeah. Oh, boy. It'll be feature. It'll be the the perfect corner. Down lighting. The perfect corner. There we go. Okay, now that we've had a good laugh. Thank you. It's always good to laugh. You don't know about the water future where the water's going to come over the new wall. Stop it. Whenever you're going to be quoted in something or another and you're it's going to be biting you in the I said whenever it rains.

Yeah. Thank you, Mike. Yeah, we'll have weeping stones, Mike. They'll be Next thing you know, people will be putting a pilgrimage over there. You can't get weeping stones. They need tuck pointing. Yeah. We should just put a tuck pointer on staff, you know. I think I know a few uh retired Irish guys that used to be tuck pointers. They might want to come out of retirement. Okay. Anything else on forestry? Okay. Let's move on to street lights, mosquitoes, street sweeping. Oh, Eric, you're missing the street sweeping. I know that's important to you. on the street sweeping the um the one October 26th to November 16th is November 16th the last day they do it basically.

No it's the last cycle if you want to say now the cycle basically it's just the parameters when it's supposed to occur. Okay, we run into hall obviously by Halloween it' be great but the trees for some reason don't all the same right with that said we'll continue the operation typically up to Thanksgiving can we update that date a little more I mean you know this year it was a phenomenon right right so you know so we've gone as far as December 10th in some cases so that's just more of a date for us,

right? That that's our target date of one, it should be completed. And again, it's it shifts where the other ones are very very predictable. This last one, it's it's no matter how we do it, we just can't get it right. Right. That's right. Something I've been asked and I've talked to you about it in the past by many residents many years in a row is why we don't do the leaf. You know, where everyone puts their leaves in the streets and, you know, a machine comes by and grabs them. That's a pretty expensive program. I know we had looked at that years ago. Uh I'm not even sure who was on the council then. Jim,

wasn't like there was a ve vehicle we took a look at. They actually went down the street and sucked them up as it went down the street. But that vehicle was just so expensive just to do that. Correct. To buy it. You mean to own it? To buy it. Wasn't it 700,000 like 10 years ago? It was two or No, it was about three or 400,000 just for the machine. And it was a beautiful truck. It went down the street and it had big vacuum and it like go went back and forth and not only did the street it did the parkway combination. It's almost like a garbage truck really and the best and and again salaries to do it besides where

Oh yeah. No people have expressed a desire, you know, for that. And then there's people that just put their leaves in the street even though they're not supposed to, you know, but I'm just I just thought I'd ask it since we were talking about No, and I appreciate that. And this uh you know what the new uh with the newer code enforcement officer, one of my goals is during the fall season is to let's see if we could identify that and work with the residents and again be a little more proactive on don't put your leaves out in the you know in the roadway. I think there's an education thing and I think yeah if they were to be given a a notice not a not a violation but just informed that this is not allowed. It's gotten better.

Um, but it's not at an optimal level at this point yet. Okay. Any more questions on anything on page 119? Or do we want to talk about drainage projects? The annual rear yard drainage program the bottom back up. Back up. Anything there? I have no comments. That's all I can say is, you know, the the inventory's been reduced. It's been a great program. Um, so next year I think we're going to further reduce it uh based on what we see this year. Okay, great. Okay, last page 120 tree trimming.

I'm sorry. Sorry. Go ahead. On the emerald ash trees, how many do we save out of those? Do we have a number was uh 70 75% let's say conservatively was uh 65 to 70 cuz we had some mortality after we had treated some so which was kind of expected but again well we saved more than half I think it's phenomenal I've got a huge one on my property that was has been saved yes yes 100% and we still park and another one

um you know we hear we hear from certain sales people oh you should start treating it again until the mission, you know, I've been dependent on uh Michigan State University um and and until I see something more from either from our um foresters on staff or that source, then I'll bring something back, but I don't anticipate any concerns at this point. Okay. Lastly, capital purchases. I've got a some more confusion on this than anything. D on capital purchases, Mike. Okay. Me, too.

Yeah. On this new electric truck, the $300,000 that you're showing here. And you we've got the agenda memo on 147, but we're showing on this account $300,000 and we're showing $300,000 both in in water and 300,000 here for a total of 600. In the revenue, we're showing grant of 300,000, which should is a net of $300,000. But on the agenda memo, it's showing the total cost of $447, not 600. What What is the cost? Is it cost 600? Is it $447 according?

Well, it's going to be 600. Oh, well, let me back up. If you recall, we had this discussion about electric vehicles and whether or not we should option for the actual snowplow package. From what I recall, without not getting into it, I believe the entire package um was roughly 300 300,000 and uh the grant was going to cover um 150,000 of that if that was correct Julie without like I said without cost was going to be 157. So was about 150 from the grant,

right? So the total cost of the truck was going to be 304 uh I think it was going to be 300 if I'm not mistaken. Um, but bottom line is that there was an additional discussion of whether or not we should put a snow plow on. So, we're still getting the pricing. The pricing has not been solidified through uh Peterbuilt and the aftermarket, if you want to say. Nothing's going to be nothing signed. This item is going to come back to the city council with the full details on the breakdown, including the snow plow. Whether we want to put it on there or we're going to kick it out, it'll be an option.

So, technically, we could be looking with a snow plow and everything the cost of getting a brand new gas one.

That is correct. The only thing that offsets this is the actual if we were to get the truck itself, we're only paying about a buck 50. Uh, and again, I'm I'm going by memory here, so I don't have that agenda memo in front of me. A buck 50 with the snowplow package. It's all electric again. And they This is basically a prototype at best. So, we're taking a gamble. While we're taking a gamble, we're also looking at um having we've had conversations with Peterbuilt to make this a prototype slash showpiece if you want to say with this county. So then my question, simple question is then why would we put in the agenda memo not to exceed 447?

Again, that's for the truck. What you just told me right there is for the truck and the truck only, but we talked about at the city council. We don't know what that cost is going to be for the snowplow package. We said that we would bring that back at a later date. This was basically just information on that agenda memo accepting the grant if I'm not mistaken. So there'll be an option that council could discuss. Correct. Yeah. Correct. That's something we were directed to at least entertain. How are we looking on the other snow plow trucks right now?

Great. All great. All done. Everything's just got say the the most recent one uh upfitted with what was supposed to be upfitted uh about two three months ago. So everything is out. That was the one that was delayed for two years or uh Yes. I I can't even keep track. You know, we had so many delays with the different trucks, but the mall was up to probably two years. And Mike, I'm not sure. Is your question answered? I'm just totally confused by it.

I I'd have to I could explain that further. And again, I have to pull up the agenda memo, but um Dan, the bottom line is we're we're we're placing this in here for right now. This doesn't guarantee or we don't have to we're not signing sealed deliver anything until we comes back to us with the final numbers. That is correct. So, uh let's see the I'm sorry. So, Mike, I'm not sure. Um excuse me. So, 600,000 is what we were requesting and we're going to get back 350. So, it cost us 250 for this whole thing most likely. Um 300. Yes.

Okay. which was which was the offset was that the 250 was equal to a gas truck at the time of our discussions but nothing's nothing solidify Mike I know you still look perplexed there and no I'm just trying because we have the expense we have 300 and 300 so we're expensing 600 and then we're showing revenue of 150 and 150 yeah I showed three yeah the revenue total total is three and if it's probably divided between the water and that's what I'm saying. So So the net effect is $300,000 for this thing. The net. Yes. For us with the snow plow. That's what I'm hoping. Yes. Okay. So it'll be less without the snowplow cuz Yeah,

probably. Yes. I was comparing it to that agenda memo and the number numbers worth just one. What's the new I'm sorry. No, go ahead. What's the new Peter bill with the gas? What is what's those running now? Are those at the 390 with the snow plow package? Probably close to 300. Okay. That's why it really becomes an offset on the electric. Um, but there's still performance issues. So again, no one's sold on this. But then if we get the electric, don't we have Does that include the installation of a charger? Yes, it does. Okay. Correct.

Yeah. It just seems like going back to it, not to beat a dead horse here, but um it is the year of the horse, the lunar new year. Um, you know, like kind of bringing up what Mike did, like when you look at the budget request and then you look at the agenda memo from October 6, 2025, it looks like everything like doubled because it says the city share was going to be 149,000, right? And again, that was just we contemplated not having a snow the council gave us approval without the snow pack uh plow package. And as Dan talked about that, I think at that point the council was wondering, well, what would it be if we could put a plow on there?

Yeah. It just says the total cost not to exceed $447,000. So, we're saying adding a snowplow would be another $200,000. Oh, okay. Wow. So, technically, we're getting to the point where a brand new gas Peter build is going to be the same as this new electric vehicle. Correct.

Okay. And and again, real Yeah. It's Where's the benefit? The benefit is maybe that there's a 50,000 thou 50 to $75,000 savings if we go this electric route you know until I have more everything from uh Peterbuilt you know they they keep on going back and forth and you know liability responsibility so they want to make sure that they're covered on that perspective I got no problem earmarking it But that's this is going to be a big discussion later on. It's coming back to city council 100%.

Sure. And at the same time, if we decide to nyx it, we'll let the committee know as well as city council for whatever you know with the reasoning and justification behind it. And with that said, not to beat a dead horse again, are trucks looking at the next three years. You don't think we're have any issues getting a new one or anything? No, not at this point. No. Okay. Yeah, that's one thing we just recently went through as well um to determine where are we at, where do we need to be u so we're on a good rotating schedule. Are we replacing a vehicle? I'm sorry.

Part of the grant was it has to be a replacement for another vehicle. Fortunately, yeah, fortunately, we we're just getting ready to list the one and we've pulled it off the listing or pulled it off uh from the proposed listing because we need to drill a hole if we accept this bid 100% everything gets delivered. Basically, the body needs to be chopped in half literally and the engine block itself needs to be drilled through. Oh, so you have you can't like put resell it, trade it. You have to like lit They want you to destroy Oh, destroy it. I guess that's the point of replers or what is what was that? I could use a spare vehicle.

You know what that was called? Gas for or cash reglers or whatever that was. Yeah, something like that. 15 years ago back in college. What's our What's our Is there a li just say like hypothetically because we've already accepted the grant even though they haven't given us the money. Correct. Correct. or the vehicle. We've accepted the grant. We have not accepted the vehicle. But what is there is there a downstroke if we were to say now no thank you. We can stop right now. Okay. I I mean I'm not asking or or advocating for that. I just was wondering if there's like a liability to us to Okay.

No, because you know at the bottom it was it was an opportunity. We took that opportunity ran with it. It's still a savings and without the calculations in front of me. Okay. You know, it is it is some savings. If we elected not to go with the snowplow package, is there still a use for the truck? Yes. 100%. So, it would still fit into the Yes. for uses. And the truck, the proposed truck was only to be a dump body and not a snow plow. We at the same time said, "Hey, what's the harm if we could be monies ahead and some type of prototype and you know it's an advertising piece for Peterbuilt and we get some discounting on."

But is the truck that you were going to demo get rid of? Is that a snow plow? No. Okay. Good. Good. replacing them for and there's still the charging station and in the event we choose to have other vehicles that are electric like cars that you you drive or other people that aren't out in the cold and and we worry about uh we could have the benefit of the charging station. Yes. Yes. Okay. Okay. Um any more questions on that category? equipment capital purchases. Okay. So,

quick question. When do we think we'll have any numbers on the plow? Well, well, before we vote on the budget.

I'm hoping that we'll be here before the budget. Uh before we vote on the budget, we're we're so close and uh I've been dogging it and unfortunately we have not gotten, you know, a good response. I do think though based on um some level of confusion and lots of questions tonight based on what was talked about and um voted on back in the fall to what we are seeing now to obviously still being needing a more information. We're going to need some pretty good details on the breakdown of the electric. And I think also people are going to want to look at the breakdown on a comparison of a regular um typical gas vehicle so that we can like have the full picture.

Oh, 100%. And again, we started this and I'll resurrect the agenda memo and put some highlights in there. Uh call it executive summary. Uh we did it a while back ago. So again, you know, make sure that everybody's got on the same page and uh we have the bullet points for it. So Mike will answer your question 190% correctly. Um I'm happy with 100. You're right. You're going to count. You deserve more than 100%. Mike, if we're done with that section, um chairman, I'd like to uh bring something back to the table here from the streets budget.

Yes. Yes. Um so this is uh actually software this is another software package. This software package is uh on an the same open gov platform that we currently have for building licensing and uh permitting. Uh, one of the things that was in the budget all year long was a line item of 014350 in the amount of 20,000 and also the water account um, which had a $20,000 um, share if you want to say for a total of 40,000. So again, FY2526 was basically uh $40,000. We went out early last year and started exploring what do we need for the open gov uh platform. Um the open gov platform was to include a system that we currently have. It's referred to as a work system. Is it a truly a work order system? There's some ambiguity between work order system and uh a work task software. This software has been in place since approximately 2013. Has not had any updates. Um it's a larger it's a company that's basically uh went from a gentleman that started in Dariion actually sold it off and went uh from web Q&A to another advanced web Q&A and eventually to Granicus. Granicus is a bigger corporation. Um Mayor Marquees and uh Brian uh we had discussions back on in January on preliminary discussions about the budget. during the budget uh we were presented some numbers uh from the platform and to my dismay basically it doubled actually was a little more than doubled bringing that up at the midnight hour to uh the mayor and Brian obviously did not sit well with anyone including myself. So um we basically pulled it out

of the budget until for further justification since that January 21st uh meeting that we had internally we went back to the uh current platform that we have and that is Granicus uh Granicus/web web web Q&A. Again keep in mind that this is uh software from 2013. We had uh several I have had several email correspondences back to the web Q&A and who was supposed to be our web telephone numbers for these individuals are very difficult to locate. Number one, we have about seven emails without my getting into detail uh with a very um poor response and or lack of followup. I even went as far as to write to the CEO of Granicus for feedback and tell them about the um you know how the dissatisfaction of customer service was. Um so with that said, you know, I've talked to our staff internally and uh we'd like to resurrect this and resurrect it to a tune of $80,000 in for the entire year. So, um, we currently, like I said, have $40,000 in the budget this year that we're not going to use. Uh, I shouldn't say we're not going to use. We'd like to start implementing that 40,000 that we currently have for the proposed software in conjunction with the May 1st budget of an additional 40,000. 20,000 from the water, 20,000 from the street. So, what we're asking for in a nutshell is an additional um $40,000 and a carryover of the $40,000 that's currently in the budget. Um I could provide further feedback. Again, you know, it's been very frustrating from my end to be able to, you know, just to keep on communicating to people that

don't respond. And it's, you know, we have a whole slew of uh correspondences that I've sent uh to the mayor as well as the city administrator. Um so again, I don't want to bore you with that. We'll be here for the next 3 hours, but I'd be more than happy to share that with you tomorrow. Um just for information if you get bored. Uh again, there's a lot of lot of nonsense in there, a lot of uh irresponsibility. Um, and again, hopefully the patch can pick this up and uh go to Granicus with it as well.

Woman, this is what we I mentioned to you earlier. What I'd like to do is Dan wanted to just give a preview tonight, but we would do a write up and continue the discussion on this when we talk about the water fund at the next meeting. We're not looking for a decision tonight. We just wanted to to throw it out there in, you know, prep preparation for the next meeting cuz it's something I'm a little confused on something. So, we raise it to 80. Is that go to Granicus or getting rid of them? No, we get rid of them. So, they're gone completely. Yes. And so, the new company that we would use, I'm assuming would be a lot better. Open Gov, right?

It's Open Gov and that's the current system that we've had we have in place right now. So the the goal of it is that we need to standardize. We can't be in my opinion and some of the other professionals out there can't be jumping around between this software, this software, you know, can this do this, can you integrate into this? Um and and again this it's a newer world for me um as far as all this. So, I've really been getting trying to get educated on I'm not the expert, but again, I can tell you that when you have that one system that works,

it works and you're able to navigate through it without going through a learning curve again as we did with Open Gov uh for you know some of the other employees when we first came out with uh uh the licensing the business licensing for example. Okay. So just to backpedal for a second. So in this current year budget there was an allocation of 20,000 in streets and 20,000 in water. That is correct. Okay. And that was to pay for the web Q&A or was that the intent to to switch over to open gov? The intent was to switch over to over to open gov after we got into it. There was more integration than we So open gov quoted you though originally $40,000.

Yes. Yes. A year ago. Let's just say a year ago. So there was intention to have a conversion from this web Q&A graticus to open gov in this current year. Yes. But then it didn't happen because it was more involved than they expected. Yes. And that's why the price doubled.

Correct. Correct. and and we've it was actually a little more than double but you know and it evolves from I'm going to make a simple presentation here from work orders that get called in that get emailed in residents concerns that get emailed in so this will all go to that system from that system it would basically be implemented to our superintendent for distribution or to whoever we decide this also this system would also encapsulate uh what's referred to as the fuel We have an accounting. We do manual accounting with the fuel system currently and the software is going to be discontinued here within the next year if not this year. Um, so with that said, what happens there is Chris has to go to one computer basically get them uh get the readings off of that computer and then send them over to Julie for additional accounting. Is am I correct on that portion of it? And then the other portion of that is which open gov would integrate with with it is the mechanic schedule. So based on so many gallons of fuel there's a separate system then that basically says hey mechanic you need to do an oil change on this. So it's a combination of I'll call it three to four systems combined into one that integrates to the people that we choose to uh you know delegate to for work. Okay. Thank you.

So, you're going to come back to us next week with more detail about this? Yes. We'd like to We'll send something out. Yeah. You'll get it ahead of time. Ahead of time so that people can come prepared to ask questions. Yeah. There's a few things tonight. We'll try to get a packet out hopefully tomorrow. You know, some of Mike's questions on the numbers and and some some of these things. Okay. Does anyone have any more questions tonight on that particular um software package conversion to open gov for Dan? Okay. Yeah, thank you for that concern. Anything else? Oh, no problem. Anything else on streets tonight?

I'm just making some notes, so give me a second. Okay. Okay. So, we will um for now wrap up streets. We'll obviously be going back to it next week um to talk. Well, we'll be do we're not thinking we'll have the electric truck stuff next week. No. Yeah. But that'll be that's for later, but the software is next week. I'll still do a recap on it and

Okay. Right. Okay. Great. Okay. Well, we will wrap up streets and then uh move into capital which is page 170. Everyone okay time wise? And I'm going to time check with 8:35. The night is young. Feel free guys to stand up and stretch or grab a snack. Okay. So, yeah. capital projects.

We'll start with the uh summary page on 170. Mike, I'm counting on you to see something. No, nothing for you. I didn't mean to put you on the spot. Dan, is there anything you want to highlight? Mike says no. I'm in good shape. Sullivan, just the we talked a little bit about it last night because it you know the the revenue for the capital projects is primarily from transfers from the general fund.

Um so as we talked about last night, we do see the transfer from the general fund reduced over um 28 and 29. We would like to have as much as we can, but when you go down to the bottom of that page, even if you're looking at fiscal year ending 29, the the uh estimate is we would end with a fund balance of 15,800,000, which would, you know, even if that were to stay stay true and the numbers were accurate, that would even carry us for a couple more years. So even though we're um you know we have less we're transferring in I think the fund at a whole is doing very well and very happy with the estimated fund balances throughout the three years.

Very good point to highlight a mic. Okay. It's all yours Mike. Just a couple quick things. Clarification Dan grants reimbursements 400,000. I'm assuming that's the class Cass playing field with DuPage County. That is correct.

Okay. And secondly, it's more for Brian. The interest income, we're projecting 800,000 for next year. Brian, I think that needs to be pulled back a little bit with interest rates coming down. Balance is going down a little bit and interest rates have been going down. I'd be much more comfortable probably in the 600 700,000 range for next year. That's all I got in that page. Okay, good catch. Any more questions on the summary page? If not, we'll move on. I mean the overview page. We'll move on to the summary pages. 171. Okay, we've got um some backup with these items. So, figure we'll start at the top. Storm water ditch projects. Well, can you explain the Wildwood storm water project?

See, that's got uh it's very interesting. And this started out with something. Number one, the road is getting done this year. And it's the second part of this is that there's been some drainage that's been identified. There's no curb and gutter, excuse me, there's no curb and gutter inlets on Wildwood Court. Wildwood Court is approximately 150 ft long by 30 feet wide. So there's no inlets on that road. So what it basically depends on is gravity flow through the curb lines. And it's very uh antiquated at best. It was not designed with the right intentions. Something like we did toward on Sawyer uh Sawyer on Farmingdale Road a couple years ago. Um, in conjunction with that, the development, the proposed development that's coming in on Planefield Road, there was an opportunity here where we staff said, "Hey, Mr. developer, we should look at an easement for a storm sore between these two apartment buildings." Because the apartment buildings were basically helping or contributing to this flooding icing concern every year. So the two residents, a little bit of a um you know, language barriers, said, "Oh yeah, you know, we got this problem. Uh we didn't know who to go to." So I said, "Okay." So we tried to create an easement. Well, we tried to create an easement. Uh the county got involved with uh you know, wanted or the developer wanted to also put in a sanitary sewer. So things got very complicated. So from that perspective, we backed out of the uh I'll call it working with the developer. So that's within the attorney's hands. That was a conversation from under uh yesterday's meeting in regards to uh uh the followup or the question. So we have proposed that the city would basically install a storm source system from and within that

culdeac and tie it into Regency Grove. The original plan was to have the developer and it still may happen that we may task the developer as part of the improvement to basically run from the proposed development pending that he gets the easement through the easement and through our roadway and tie into Regency Grove Drive at his expense. So again, I'm not sure if the easement's going to go through. Um the developer may have to look for an alternative solution to where the storm sword discharge is. Best scenario is that's we have the opportunity and it's zero cost. I will not know that probably until after the budget is approved. So uh there is a contingency. I don't want to call it a contingency, but that's what it is that we may not need this monies due to the developer um obligation, but it is needed and the road is paved this year and going to be paved this year and scheduled. Um so the opportunity to do this is now versus later.

Still seems cheap though. Yeah, we're doing it in house. Great project for our guys. Any more questions on Wildwood storm sewer project sidewalk replacements? Yeah, I'm going to yak on that one a little bit and just to your benefit, Dan, the concrete milling. Last year we budgeted 250, next year 83,000. I've gotten a lot of positive feedback on it. I'm happy to see that. And but yet this year we're still close to budget. last year. Are we cutting back on that for next year or why the significant decrease?

Because last uh the last two years we basically did a citywide. Well, we've done the citywide. My goal now was to take a another wait and see approach. How far do we get with an 80? You know, we did some calculations. I worked with the vendor, you know, how far can we get and did some averages. So, not a science. So, I'm hoping that we, you know, can get a good quadrant covered. That's fine. You've thought it through. That's Thank you. Did you say you paid a compliment to me? So, it's really making you see it all over the place. Literally, I mean, making sure you meant what you did.

Um, we didn't have any issues with the government on the ADA sidewalks. We got that that was all resolved. Again, you know, it it's a little bit of psych from engineers. Gotcha. Moving on. Curb and gutter programs there. Dan, Dan, the only comment again, if the weather's nice, you might want to start that earlier if the council approves. Correct. I mean, yeah. And again, let's see. Um, the answer is yes to the question. I don't recall if we just recently approved that or not, or it's coming back up. So again, we've had a lot of agenda items lately, but uh um you know,

tomorrow's Yeah. the way it's going. Yeah. So, we'd appreciate that opportunity. Gives us a great head start. Uh my goal, as I said before, is to be done with road construction in Darian by July 4th. Great. Capital improvements infrastructure. All right. I got one. So, Salt should 450,000 for a new roof. Really? Yes. There's a couple,

you know, again, that was just the encapsulation to for Eli item. What happened? Where we been? Last year, we spent I think uh 150,000 it was going by memory again. And the salt shed obviously is uh close to 12 15 years if I'm not mistaken. Uh 13 I think it was 2013. When was John? That's about right. John Gal. Yes. John was on about 2013. 2012 2013.

So one of the issues and and again bringing this up we've been studying it for through engineers through the manufacturer is that there was never what they call a momentum load uh that was put on the uh salt shed. So, in other words, when you start piling salt up, you've got guys with a large piece of machinery that could basically basically almost uh take a dump truck, per se, take whatever's in that dump truck, and almost half of that load from that dump truck could be taken by our machine and put into the salt bin. As it's put into the salt bin, it's piled higher, higher, and higher. When a machine is coming in there, it's basically pounding that material against the walls, the con the shed or the salt storage shed is basically tip up panel walls and it's all held together by bar joes. And without the engineering um technical stuff here, it's basically held in by these bars up on top. the wall started cracking. At first we thought it was just basically stress cracks went back into it and it's more somewhere somewhat structural cracks. We had engineers look at it. We had also um the manufacturer look at it and no one can give us a positive answer that it's you know needs to come down or that it's a hazard in any shape or form. So it was a wait and see. We purchased these um I'll call them calipers that we stuck on a building side. They're basically used for earthquakes, seismic uh monitors and the seismic monitors were put on these cracks and they were

monitored. Well, since then it's been very minimal movement and minimal movement was was due to again the force back and forth. Um, so we went to a preventive maintenance. That first preventive maintenance basically meant that let's take care of the outside, seal up the outside, coaul it so we don't get water penetration into there. The second part of this is where we're getting to right now is we took a area of a wall and we put this the company put this product on there. And again, the product is a urethane of some sort. And they cocked it, put the urethane covering on it. It's held up over the last 6, seven months. So, we know that this material now can withstand the salt environment. And what it is is that the salt throughout the summer, the fall, basically creates a condensation, gets into these cracks, has the opportunity to get into the actual steel of the pre-cast panels. If that happens, it's like a bridge. So, the bridges will deteriorate. We're not at that point with this proposal. It includes the actual walls to coat all these walls. We take all the salt out. It all gets washed down. the uh cracks gets uh cocked with some type of vulcanized uh cocking. There's bar choices in there. The bar joistices again due to the corrosive environment have been deteriorating. This includes those bar joistices all being grinded, sandlasted, coated, and then the problem also moves to the roof. That's a flat roof. The roof when it was originally designed had some had a lack of I'll call it drainage for better um for easier terminology to understand. Um, so with that said, the insulation we

just tested last week, the insulation on that salt jet is good, but the roof, the deck itself, the membrane needs to get removed and replaced, and it's going to be a different type of membrane along with uh gutters or scutters um along the edges to allow the water to shed and dissipate away from the uh building versus running along the walls on the building. That is the optimal most cost that this thing that this project can be uh um expended or I should say budgeted for $450,000. Is it going to come in less based on some use that I just received today? It may be $50,000. We're doing a pre- bid right now as we speak on the actual roof part of it. So the first positive for the walls isund uh I think it was 120 close to 120 150 in comparison to what was 200,000. So again um I want to be cautious. I will provide whatever numbers I can uh from this pre-bid to get a better determination

to rebuilt that salt for 200,000. Yeah, exactly. That that same salt salt shed that same salt shed would go for approximately over almost a million dollars today. Wow. And it would the comparison to that is the village of Woodridge and it would only hold half the storage. That's uh within the footprint that we have, it would only be able to withhold uh half that storage. Do you if we do this, you think we'll get another 10 years of that fil?

Yes. Yes. There's nothing to tell them, you know. Plus, we have the guarantee right now on this wall. It's a 10-year guarantee on labor and uh materials. So, the vendor that's done this for us will it will be the same vendor. Um, you know, after researching it a little more, I feel more confident with the approach that we're taking and how we're approaching it. Think Joe, this goes back to the situation. We were originally looking at the buck 51. Yeah, that thing would never lasted 10 years if we did the original one. Yeah. Yeah. There's storage. They don't even build them anymore. As a matter of fact, one for the buck 50. No, because they blow out the walls. The guys blow out the walls on those.

We subcontracted this one ourselves. That's what why we were able to reduce the cost. Right. So, Dan, everything you just explained in the salt shed would be covered in this 450,000. Yes. Even though it's labeled rough. Correct. without putting 32 acronyms behind it and confusing anybody more. Okay. I just I want to make sure. Yeah. But there will be an agenda. I figured as much. I just Yes. So that was a good point. At least the 10 years. So the question is 10 years from now, do we replace it or do we have to get a bigger footprint? That's another story. Public works building. Yes. Okay. Look at Brian had to come up.

Okay. Thanks for the softball. You raised two controversial topics tonight.

Dan, I'm reading the letter that's attached as a exhibit and uh I don't follow what you said compared to what's in the letter. Okay. So, can you kind of because the numbers I don't see 450,000 anywhere in the letter. It seems like it's 150 plus 30 and then or it could be as high as 550 650. So, I'm trying to figure out where we are in this letter that gets us to what you think we need 450 for. The total budget that they originally came back with earlier in the year of January 16th was 550 to 650,000 based on and that's option two. And again, what's option one?

Option one is part of this. That's the walls. That's the walls within the in the inside. So what I've done now is taken this line item and combined everything and as the information is coming in or has been coming in um I've been updating it again this is just some backup of what it was going to be. We reduced it since then since we did the budget. So again some of this is way too much and it's going to be you know a clean up. That's the best information that I had at the time. I mean because it talks about a 20-year warranty, too.

Correct. And again, I said 10 year. There's some things that were 10 year, 20 year. The warranty will also be um submit warrant whatever we end up doing, there will be some type of warranty involved in it. But that is correct. And we're using this Garland company. Correct. Correct. But I'm sorry not to cut you off, but if we did option two and 20-year warranty, that sounds great and fantastic, but if somebody runs into the wall and the whole thing comes crashing down, canar on the money, right? Well, that's exactly it. I mean, that's why option one would be a better choice. I'm looking at Well, and and the option one is only partial drastic. It's only partial work. That's why there's, you know, this memo the way I read it. Yes. Okay. Yes.

But the combination of both with option number two, again, his memo is not accurate, right? To date number one. and his totals, if you look at the 550 and the 650 are astronomical, number one and number two, I think he's being ambiguous without not, you know, there's there's other sheets that are separate, but at least we wanted to put something out there that we got information on this. So, we still think we're not going over I'm sorry. I was just going to say, are we So, we're going to get a more detailed breakdown of where the 450 is going and what it's for. Yeah. Yes. It's all related to assault jet and

I understand that. I'm just saying it didn't make when I was reading that and then what you said it wasn't um making sense to me as it's all coming in and you know I think uh let's see was it the last sheets this is a month old the letter so it's 25 time jeez I was looking at I just assumed it was a month old okay yeah this is last so 2025 right so again there's been a lot of work okay that's been going I'm sorry. I thought you had the year on. No, I was looking at January 16th thinking, "Oh, I was I didn't look at the I saw January 16th. I didn't even think that it was a year old. I thought with time it was a month."

Yeah, because coming back with that figure at that time was nonsense. Definitely. That's why I'm saying that this memo is just outdated.

Okay. So, any more questions on the salt shed project? Okay. City Hall window replacement. Any questions on that? I guess the only question is they they I know they need to be done. The question is, do you put in the windows before we need to do anything on the outside of the building? That's a material because the the way these windows do with each other. No, the way these windows are designed um it's basically a remove and replace.

Okay. And the goal of it was to go to casement windows versus double hung windows. I mean, you can't even many officers can't open this uh windows. Just as a side note, I just found the municipal service minutes from July 26, 2010 and you guys approved it for $280,000. Was it Was it 2010? 2010. July 26, 2010. We got But we saved money on that. Oh, we Oh, yeah. But it shows how long how how long ago it was. I thought we got it down like 210 or something like that. Yeah. Well, I all I know is it paid for itself in 2013 2014 when that nightmare winter came through with 90 in of snow. Yeah, we had the salt.

Everybody was we were the only ones that had salt. You remember that? We were going to we were going to name it the Pyroski salt chub because we got we could get John to do it. Rest in peace. God bless. Okay, that's the was a combination in track sitting up here for that that that sale job for itself over and over and over again. Okay, great accomplishment. We got a new nine ton dump truck cuz we had one fault break in front of his house during a snowstorm. It was not planned. All right, I don't know about that. Actually, another one. We pulled it around the corner and then we brought the bad one. We just He did it right there on the corner on the 75th pushing it.

Yeah, it sure didn't break down on 75th Street. Oh man, just had around the corner just to conk out, right? And then MacGyver didn't want one and we said, "Oh, by the way, that's the one that's giving out." Oh, that changed. Five quarts of oil over there. Yeah. And someone's like, "What?" Oh, man. Sorry. Memories. Old memories, you know. Good memories, though. Um, okay. Any more questions on capital improvements infrastructure? I have a couple comments. Yes. Um

you will note that there are two items on there for storage facility for public works/ city hall garage in fiscal year 28. And then uh I'm just saying storage facility for public works in fiscal year 29. And in the 28 for the uh what is earmarked as a city hall garage was 200,000 and then earmarked in fiscal year 29 is 500,000 and uh you know over over the year Dan and and the group will come up with some plan of where maybe we can get some additional storage um not for trucks not new public works building but storage for you know a lot of the other things that they're storing now. So I just wanted to point that out. you know, again, 700,000 within a three-ear period.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Anything else on that area? Okay, we'll move on to street reconstruction. Got a question on that one? Yes. The school district, Dan, we're showing the 1755. I assume that's reimburseable from them 100%. Okay. If it is, shouldn't that be reflected in the uh revenue for the capital projects fund?

I guess the answer is yes and no. We don't have the in place. It's coming up this it's coming up to municipal services this Monday, city council March 3rd. So preempted in there. Yes. And we just had a bid opening two weeks ago. So I guess the the real question is Yeah. I don't I don't deal with the revenue so much. So probably right Bri Julie. Yeah. I mean that's some of that's accounting when you when you get reimbursement do you deduct from it that that'll be up to J parking lot into a separate revenue account. So so yeah but but I mean we're reflecting the expense and we're not reflecting the revenue anywhere right now needs to added. Yes we'll add Yeah, I'll add that into the Yeah. So are we saving them money by doing it or why? Yeah. Oh big time. Yeah.

Yeah. They're very happy with you know the fire department this past year. Yes. on the buck 250 for the road program. How many miles? That's still over five. Approximately five. Yes. Okay. That's a pretty good price. Saving the money. That's good. Yeah. We try, you know, first kids on the block, get out, get, you know, get in, get out.

Any more questions on streets consulting? Any more questions on the overall capital projects fund budget? Okay, wrap that one for this evening. Doing a time check. It's 9:00. Um, is everyone game to go into water or do we want to wait or do what do we want to I would probably like to wait because there's a couple other things I', you know, we want to work on that computer stuff and a couple other things. Sure. Sure. Anything else you think we should cover tonight? We made great progress tonight. So,

agree. Is there anything else anyone wants to share before we wrap tonight? Anything we want to ask staff to work on in addition to what we've already noted? Um, I want to, this doesn't have to do with the budget, but I've been getting a lot of complaints from residents who live in the Farmingdale area. That might be Gary's word. They basically said that when they're coming along Farmingdale Drive and they're trying to turn on to 75th Street to make that left to make that left.

They looked at it already. They they said the traffic flow is the cars are exceeding the speed limit and you're taking your life in your hands trying to make a lefthand turn. And the way that meeting comes out, Mayor, it comes out pretty far that you have to kind of get around that to make your turn. It's We've looked at it, Dan, and they said it was like all within. They're they're asking me if we could have a light. I suppose I haven't heard that. They they I've been asked to try to just push back that median that you can make that left hand going west. It's dangerous. It's dangerous. Wait by hidden south. No, right across from our lady.

Right by a piece. Army where the condos are. Okay. You're you're at the stop sign and you want to go westbound. You got to go across and there's a break in the media. you go across and to make your left-hand turn, even to make a right-hand turn to go uh eastbound on 75th Street, they said the cars are coming so fast, it's hard to even make a turn that way. And you know, with all with all due respect, I think the first thing we need to do is check with the police department to see if there's any how many accidents have occurred there because that's the you know, if this is an indication of a traffic signal, that's the first question that's going to be asked.

Uh so, Well, look at that median again cuz it just it comes out so far east that you have to like it's hard that you have to go like around it to get to go. Another crazy turn is is Hinsdale South if you're going you know south on Claron Hills Road and turning left onto 75th. It's like you got to go this way because that wide median it's it's a nightmare. I'm not surprised that you've heard about it. I mean I I heard your number of complaints this weekend from people. Guess you had a question about our parking lot out here that it's very dark at night. Not anymore. It's not. Go out there now. We just Yeah, we just put the lights back on today.

You asked and you will receive. Let there Let be lights. That's called service, right? And if it's not lit up, then something happened. Put it in the back. 3:00. Yeah, there you go. I'm pulling out the back then. Holy cow. You know, and it was really dark. Yep. Without further ado, thank you everybody for tonight. Can I have a motion to adjourn? Great job, Mary. Okay. All in favor? I Great. Got to go across the street.