Community Development Block Grant (cdbg) Commission - Regular Meeting

Don't we go ahead and get started Yeah. With the meeting. It's a little after twelve, so thank you all for being here.

Okay. It's fine. Tomorrow.

And I'll try and speak loudly so we can hopefully hear online. Amy, can you hear me okay? Okay. Great.

Okay. Alright.

With that, why don't we call the roll? And also sorry. One other thing I was gonna say, we don't have Lauren today. So we have Kaylee. So Lauren decided to go to the Olympics and just got back last night. So yeah. Maybe I should have said that,

but You're not telling everybody. That's exciting.

That's a really

good reason to be gone.

Yeah. You have to do a report when you get back. I wanna hear all about it. So but she did make it back okay. So, anyway, I think figured she had jet lag. We had Caitlyn. So alright. So call the roll, and let's go on to the minutes after that. So

Alright. Jeff Glaser. He notified me he was gonna be late. Doctor Ruben Anthony?

Present.

Good. Chuck Erickson. Isadora Knox? Alright. Heather Stoder? Here. Tom Dechant? Tom Dechant? Alright. Ellie Westminchin? Present. Brewer Stover?

Here.

Pam Christensen? Here. Patricia. Laura Hershlib notified me that she was gonna be absent. Michael Enkelberger? Here. And Amy Davis? Here. And Kate Lemon is excused.

Alright. We have a quorum.

Okay. Great. So we have a quorum. And so the next thing, I think, are the minutes. If someone can move the minutes,

please. So moved.

Okay. And we got a second. All in favor?

I'm fine.

That passes. Great. Okay. So, we do have a member of the public here who would like to speak. So if it's okay with everybody, I would like to move that up to right now. So we could do that right away and hear from him. That's okay? Yep. Yep. Okay. Excellent. So why don't you come up? You can come up here and Okay. You know? Go ahead. You can can sit up here or you can stand, whatever you want. Just as long as you're by a microphone so people online can hear you. So Okay. You can you could sit over here even. That would

be fine.

And, also, you have some info. You're passing out.

So Yeah. There's some handouts. Just give you a

Yeah. Five minutes. Disclosure here.

Dane County resident. I attend 80 to a 100 concerts in Dane County a year. The study that I've done here, I'm not representing any promoters. Okay. Although, in full disclosure, I am a contributing member to the Stoughton Opera House and also a former volunteer at Barrymore Theater. So we're lucky here in Dane County. We have vibrant music performance scene. We have an array of a nice array of venues, all new, in a variety of seat capacities. And then for a second tier market, you know, we're not Chicago. We're not Milwaukee.

We have a really nice environment for live performance music. And the venues are controlled by local and independent nonprofits, public entities, and a single national or regional giant. In the past ten years, beginning in 2017, we've seen a major shift in the control of the seat supply in Dane County. That was due to the creation of some new venues by independent operators, the Burr Oak, the Atwood Music Hall, the North Street Cabaret, and the Cafe Coda. There's also a new venue created by FBC Live, the Sylvie.

In addition

to those

changes or additions, we have a shift in the ownership of some major venues, the Orpheum, and that wasn't a change in ownership, but that's a change in control. The High Noon change of ownership and the Majestic from independent to FPC left. The shift in the then there's been a shift in the number of seats controlled by in an existing venue where it was controlled by independent promoters, but now, approximately half, four 40 to 60, I don't know what the number is exactly, in the Barrymore Theater, f p FEC live controls those seats or is a promoter for those seats. So if you look at the back page of my handout, you'll see that pre 2017, FVC buy had had approximately 2% control of the available seats in this market. And you move up to present, and according to my analysis I made a lot of I made some had to make some assumptions here, but I think they were pretty fair, and I'm can talk to the people afterwards about any of those if they have questions.

But, presently, they control over half of the seats in Dane County as far and then if you look at what's happening and what they project for the coliseum of having 60 shows, approximately a quarter of a million Sikhs, that's gonna push them up to 60% of the market as far as Sikhs pie. So why is that important? When you have a single player dominating the market, you get concerned about some of the business practices like excessive or opaque ticket fees. One of my concerns there's privacy concerns when a promoter requires, for instance, a phone app in order to get into a venue. So I experienced this at the High Noon Saloon, about ten days ago.

I where I do go see shows there, but it's shifting, and and they confronted me with, well, you have to have the app on the phone to get in. You know, I I bought the ticket at a ticket window. They have a box office, and I go there to avoid fees. And then I show up. There's no disclosure to me saying, hey.

You you you gotta have the app to get into the to the venue. So the concern about apps is all is the privacy. I'm gonna surrender not only am I gonna surrender the money, not only am I gonna surrender some fees, but then I'm gonna surrender my privacy as well because the purpose of those apps sure. There's there's efficiencies, but there's also the collection of privacy data that get that ends up getting traded or sold or used. So that is a big concern.

There's require FFEC Live requires has cashless venues. So you go to any of their venues, you can't use cash. You gotta use a card. Once again, that means all the transactions, they can associate my purchase of a concession with my ticket.

Oh, sorry. Can you wrap up? No. If you can wrap up. Nope. You can wrap up. Yep. Alright. So Please wrap up. And

Alright. So I have a list of policy options that that you can review. And I just wanna say that, you know, the the main the main thing that I'm concerned about is that there's access to the Coliseum by other promoters. Okay. In other words, that that that FEC Live doesn't isn't exclusive Right.

Okay.

For for music concerts. And, also, I'd like to see what one of the things I'll wrap this up. But one of the things I wanted to mention was So because one promoter dominates the market, the rules that Dane County sets applies, inevitably will shape the industry norms across the county. In other words, whatever is decided as far as the norms here for the Coliseum, that will shape the rest of the, market. Okay.

Alright. Great. And then, can you email this to us? Yeah. And and I did. And then Okay. Great.

And then on the last sheet is my contact information.

Down here in the bottom left hand corner. Right? This is you. Okay. Alright. Excellent. Okay. Great. You can stay for the rest of the meeting if you want. Thanks. Thank you very much. So okay. So the next thing, we're gonna go right to, what we have, which is down to e one, the chairs report. So I was gonna mention a couple things is we are scheduled to make sure I have the dates right. Monday, March 2, 04:30 at the hub.

We're having a, town hall or outreach event. So, again, that's Monday, March 2 at 04:30 at the Hub. And then we're planning another one the following week, which is Tuesday, March 10 at 04:30, and that's gonna be here. Right? Here in the Exhibition Hall, I assume. Or Down in the Medota Rooms. In Medota Rooms. And that those will be the same formats. Correct? The road play or town hall events.

Okay. In addition to that, we're having at least one, which it's called, committee of the whole, which is an informational meeting of the entire county board. And we treat that like a meeting except we just county board supervisors go to that, attend, listen. It's about one topic. We have some time for questions, and, we're planning at least one of those.

And we're hoping to have a couple other outreach events to supervisors. Those are happening as well. And let's see. I hit one other thing I was going to so that's for outreach, and I've been talking to different folks and also nearby neighbors as well. But another thing I was gonna mention, second thing is the primary election is tomorrow. So that's happening as well in all of this. So and there are some county board races up. So that's that's been going on too. And, otherwise, I didn't hear anything else, or was I supposed to mention something?

You were gonna mention the different groups you've spoken to over the past month.

Yeah. I've been talking to neighborhood groups, folks from Bay Creek, which is nearby. We also had a presentation scheduled that Kevin filled in for me with, the Greenbush Neighborhood Association. They were very interested. I had spoken to them with them once before and came back and had a a presentation with, more detail in it.

And so Kevin, you know, helped out with that. And I'm also, like I said, been reaching out to nearby neighbors as well, just trying to circulate, you know, as to what's going on. Something else that I'm working on also as a supervisor, I've never done it before, and actually the county executive mentioned this to me a few years ago is I'm working on a survey to my constituents. And, obviously, one of the top things on that will be best, so you'll be getting that brewer and top one. And, obviously, we're faced with a lot of issues, the budget being one, but this is the next biggie that I just I'm working on that.

I've never done that before. I always wanted to. So, working on that after this meeting, actually. So alright. Was there anything else for us? Okay.

Chuck, did you say the committee of the whole has been scheduled or to be scheduled?

Do we have it scheduled?

I think it's to be scheduled.

But it's going to be hopefully in March, I think.

Okay.

So it's

gonna be soon.

Got

it. And part of the reason well, right before this, was talking to a supervisor. So yeah. And we hope to have some other meetings as well, you know, with between the contact's office and between Patrick and myself with supervisors. But there's this thing called an election happening here too. So okay. And then next thing, I think, is the director's report.

Yeah. So after our last meeting, we, the evaluation committee concluded their work on the Coliseum RP. And, later that week, we released the response, to the public. And so what I did here was just kind of summarize it. I don't know if you all had a chance to look at the entire document.

It is about over 100 pages, very, very thorough. So I just wanted to kind of summarize some of the salient points and throw them in here. Don't know if any if you had a chance to review this, if you have any questions on the response so far. We have started the contract negotiations with Frank Productions, and that's moving along well. So if there's any questions on the RFP. So the two two page PDF, do we

have questions on that specifically? Or in general? Yes.

Yeah. Well, if there are questions on any aspect of it, you know, and then it's so there's only one response that came out of the committee that met what I'll call our criteria. So it's, the word being used is accepted, but to me, it means it's going on to the next level. And we talked about this at the last meeting. And so now things are being hashed out, negotiated back and forth, but all of that whatever ends up with that is subject to a county board vote.

And, also, when contracts come to the us, we get frustrated, and I just got I'm gonna hear full about that just before this meeting from a supervisor. Our frustration is usually when these come to us and come to the county board, it's you vote yes or you vote no. So the idea is that county supervisors can be aware of what's happening during this process. So if we want to add something or make suggestions, you know, based on whatever, we can still do that, so that it doesn't just come to us and we vote up or down. But whatever it is, it's still subject to a vote from the county board.

So the term being used against been accepted, meaning it came through that first process. And now we can see it, and it is public. So the RFPs out there is public. The response is public, so you can actually go in and read all of the which I've been trying to get through. But I asked you know, we're working on an FAQ. Correct? Yep. And working other salient points. But, this is, yeah, summary of it. But if anyone has questions on it, supervisor Engelberger.

Yeah. Just a few questions. Yeah. Go started negotiating already or no? Yeah. And we've got some meetings coming up with supervisors, one in March, for instance. I mean, things could change as far as what you're negotiating with them. I mean, what what what's all subject to negotiation, basically? Everything? Everything.

Everything that's in the proposal is subject to negotiation. So

so, I mean, you haven't really gotten a lot of input yet from supervisors or committee members here, have you? Or Well, we when I

say we've begun negotiation, we have not got to a point where we have agreed on any single term yet. So there's some things we had to do to start off. Right? So the the proposal was not 100% complete. Even though there's a lot of information in there, there were still some questions that we had. There were some questions they had. So we've been trading information back and forth. Our hope is that in the next week or so, we'll have the FAQs done, and our plan is to use their proposal as the first proposal we will provide. We'll do a counter proposal. By that time, we'll have talked to several people.

We have spoken with different parties since this has started, trying to get as much input as we can. As people hear questions in the community, I encourage them to relay those to us so that we understand what people are thinking out there. And so I think we are, a, we are starting to formulate the the points that we will negotiate.

And so, for example, I am talking to supervisors, hear things. I pass those along to Kevin. So between Kevin and the common sex office, I've got a number of concerns, you know, from what I'm hearing and, you know, concerns I have. I think one interesting one is one we just heard from the speakers, promotions, like, will that work? We also had received one thing from a I think it's he's from District 18, which is the Northeast Side Of Madison, and he brings up a lot of great points, which I passed along to Kevin.

And, you know, one is just, like, capitalization on this. How will that work? How much you know, will the county receive anything after this, you know, going forward? So anything like that, I've been passing that along Unless I get requests from supervisors that we haven't hit. We well, we have the proposal to look at. I think if this is great, the FAQ is a great place to start. But did you ask whether

So I I guess Go ahead. You know, big question I have is we were told upfront prior to proposals going out that the cost would look like around 150,000,000. We get a proposal for 100. So I guess my big question is, is there a lot of things that are left out of this proposal that, you know, as far as building wise or cost wise? I mean, it it just seems like that's a huge percentage of difference.

And

Yeah. It's just a concern. Well and I think we talked about it, maybe, at one of the other meetings. The the the the number we had, the 150,000,000 we had included can't see it from here, but taking the entire apron of the Colosseum, which is the main level, there's there's about a 10 foot ring around the exterior. We're taking that and making it all interior.

That's not part of this proposal. So there are while there are similarities, there are some differences too. And so it's it's easily to look and say, alright. Well, this is this we weren't comparing apples to apples as far as what we were thinking was gonna do and what they're proposing to do. Okay.

So just a couple other things. And I'm Yeah. Keep going. I'm only gonna ask a few questions because I'm sure other questions are gonna come up. I'll cut you off if you want too long. And, you know, one thing I see also is seating capacity. They're looking at, like, less than 5,000.

No. It looked like three as an average.

What is it? What would be the capacity seating? Out of their 6,800

was, I believe, what they presented as the capacity. And doesn't it hold, like, 10,000 people? We don't feel 10,000 ever.

But, I mean, doesn't don't we doesn't it hold 10,000 people?

Could do 10,000 right now. Yeah. But, again

So I'm just wondering, I mean, what are those differences? Is it is it boxes that are coming in or, you know, box seats? Or is

it what's what's the

remember the I mean, that's almost well, that's over 3,000 seats.

Well, I'm gonna say that, one, we don't sell 10,000 seats on a regular basis anyway. So you're you're you build seats that you don't use, and you have to maintain those seats and clean those and all that stuff. So and when you have a ticketed show, majority of those 10,000 seats are behind the stage anyway. Right? So this is just aligning it so that most of the seats have a better view of the stage. K.

Go ahead.

I I Oh, you can call me.

Yeah. I'll Okay. So we were talking about capacity. You said right now it could hold 10,000?

Yep.

And I think for at least one of the political events do you wanna sit up here? One of the political events, it was full. So I think it'll be in that instance, it did. Right. But But

you you're filling it once one time in four years.

I mean, we Those are rare. Right. Right. So whoever is saying this is that the the market of what you're projecting would be a slightly less number. Okay. So another question I've gotten is that, okay. If we were gonna build something new, then it would be rectangular. So we can accommodate that issue as well.

You mean it's going to are you asking if it's gonna be rectangular?

No. No. No. I'm just saying that, like, you said that there are seats behind. Like, what what's the reduction? It's, like, 3,000. The number was, like, eight or 10. And you said that it's gonna be reduced in terms of because of behind the stage. So Yeah. Even in a rectangular building, a lot of the time, you

have seats that are behind the stage. This is this is more seats are proposed to be more front facing. Right. And I I mean,

I I think I wanna These are just questions. Yeah. I'm getting those sorts of things. Both of them. Just

for that comment, I'm thinking that it's probably gonna be more of a horseshoe situation with the stage and and is that kinda what the interior would look like a little bit?

I think we'll get there. I mean, we're we're in conversation with them right now. The reason that that wasn't part of the the proposal that was released is because they're calling that a trade secret. Our our lawyers are talking to them. I think a lot of these questions will be answered when we're able to release that. I think the important thing is we have a a a party here that's interested in investing a $100,000,000 into our coliseum. Right? And they're looking at bringing 60 events to to the building from a concert, from a music standpoint and other. Their proposal calls for fifteen after we've talked to them a few times. It looks like it's gonna be more like 20 to 30.

Like, they're they're pro they're projecting now at least a 100 events in there a year. They have indicated in our conversation that they are still very interested in additional events like youth sporting events, like cheerleading, dance, wrestling, volleyball. So all the things that we were concerned about as a committee last year when we started talking about this, looks like they will be able to address. The one area that we are in conversations with them about is the Midwest Horse Fair, and that's primarily due to a desire to limit the number of times dirt is in the building and because of the reconfiguration of a little bit of the main floor and whether it will fit. So we are having those conversations.

And when I say it's obviously a key component to us, we're trying as hard as we can to allow for the Midwest Horse Fair to continue at least through the end of their contract, which is 2033. And everything else in the proposal we felt was, as a committee, aligned with the county's priorities as far as sustainability and equity. We are talking about utilization of the building for events other than concerts and with the county have specific dates they could have. And we're having conversations about ticket programs. And you can see in there that the ticket fee, their average ticket price was $50 So significantly lower than I think what people would have expected, but the average ticket price they're proposing is $50

Good. And does that eliminate other ag opportunities then?

No. Because what we're learning is that you don't necessarily need dirt for ag events and unless that it's a an equine event where they're, like, racing to one end or bat. Right? If they're just showing the horses, we can there are other materials we can use that are not dirt that don't get in the HVAC. For the cattle shows, we're learning that you could put down a rubber pad instead of dirt.

Then for this is the Darius where you put the shavings on top of the rubber pad. The shavings don't impact negatively the HVAC as much as the dirt does because it's not doesn't get as airborne as the dirt. So it's actually helping us really learn how to operate. Maybe there's other ways we can take what we learn from there and apply it to the other buildings as well.

The other venues are doing that. Like, clients are okay with that with putting their

Yeah. House

Yeah. Because I think house, they're not they're not unless it's a bull riding show. Right? But, like, for just a a showing, they're not racing or anything. They're just walking, and so they just need a soft soft footing to walk on. Did you have another did you have

another question? Did

you have another question? Okay.

Or go ahead. I'll go in we'll go in order, I guess.

I wanna go away from

my wife. So two questions. I I understand due to the ongoing negotiations, you can't speak to directly to financials, but are you able to speak to the model you're looking at? Are you looking at profit sharing? Are you exploring like, what kind of PPP models are you

looking at? We're looking at all that stuff. Right? So whether it's profit sharing, whether it's based on PPP number of people that come, paid attendance, you know, all those kind of things. We are we are evaluating internally before we present anything to them.

And are you doing that internally with staff, or are you using your consultant? Like, who's taking the lead on the financial spot?

It's

the the the consultant that's helping us, and then they're providing us feedback, and then we're looking at it internally.

And do you does the team have direct experience with other PPP negotiations? Great.

Well, that's what they're able to do is show us what other venues, other cities have been able to negotiate.

Okay. And then and then my second question is representing the one of the the representatives from the tourism industry and and the cycle of booking for tourist shows, as we all know from all the different, hunting studies is multiple years out. So controlling the calendar or having availability of the calendar or the kind of citywide events that bring, let's just say, tens of millions of dollars, you know, into our economy is a different booking cycle than music and entertainment. How are you How are you reconciling that, or how is that being discussed?

Are you able to speak to that at all?

Just that we are having those conversations, that we recognize that there is a need to book some events that are maybe not music related further out in advance, and we are starting to have those those conversations about what the criteria might be that would allow us to book things further out in advance than than normal.

And I would just think that for this facility, which is a campus, that would be a paramount Whether it whether it be that it's

an event that is going to utilize all the space on the campus, whether it's an event that might have a certain number of hotel rooms.

Or just not compete for parking, right? There could be events where you Right. Makes sense just not to have something going on. I would just assume that

that would be primary.

I have no

Sure. Go ahead.

That's a really good point.

So if we are booking let's say we got another campus wide event, so does that mean we're working with we'd be working with Frank on getting the Colosseum booked and with AEC staff on getting the rest of the campus booked? And so we'll have two negotiations going for the same campus?

Most likely, yes.

Okay.

I think I brought up earlier that see the need for some sort of governing body for that, but that's a whole another topic, I guess. Right?

Yeah. That's a good point.

I think there's gonna be I mean, opportunities that are gonna need to be hashed out. There's gonna be opportunity cost all the time. So there's gonna need to be

some sort two different leases. Correct. Like yeah.

And you might get money from one, not from the other, willingness here not there. So I just in order to not create an issue, I just think from the beginning, the the county needs to withhold or put aside so many booking days or whatever whatever the formula would be so that these big, very profitable events for the county aren't hamstrung. Right? Right. Yeah. Mhmm.

Somewhere in here, you have under vision on the second page, the last bullet commitment to hosting World Dairy Expo and negotiating the West Horse Fair. There is that. So yeah. Chair Miles, do you

have any question?

Yeah. A few. To supervisor Engelberger's questions, I I just wanna confirm that the reduction in seatings is from what it is today, called the maximum, is due to the fact that they're proposing to increase in the pants space for, like, three and so forth. That but that's taking out some of seating areas that that

Yeah. Their their proposal just kind of moves most of the seating more so that it it remember, as we walked around before, all the seating in the current Colosseum is directed toward the center of the floor. They're just kinda reconfiguring it so it's all more facing where a stage would be.

And of the new

What? Sorry. This I've seen restart,

and I'm like, no. It's in twenty four hours, so it's okay. Sorry. I just can't close out.

Oh, okay.

Whenever I see those alerts, I'm like, you're sad time.

The total maximum is being decreased from, what was it, 8,000 or nearly 10,000 something You just said that. To 67 almost 6,800. So their projection is basically 62%. Reduced seating? No. Amount of sold seats. 68. Pardon? 62% on the 6,800. Right.

So that's what that 42 time is here. And sort of going on, first questions, I'm wrestling with if this proposal for 80% of the time using the Coliseum space for as a concert venue, use the term opportunity cost. What are we risking losing in larger scale events that need the campus, that need that I mean, we have a number of events that come here, make really good use of the Expo Hall and so forth, and there are times at the college, like the expo, among others, that need that space. And I'm I'm just wondering what that cost is to us of potential loss of those kinds of opportunities. Hard to predict because other than what we have as an ongoing relationship, I mean, horse bear is a thirty year relationship.

You're forty five. Forty five.

Okay.

So but, you know, we've had things come and go, like CrossFit and so forth. So I'm just concerned, and I don't know what that right way to correct ratio is. I can understand that Frank Productions Live Nation are talking about maximizing the time that that space is used for concert because that's what they know how to do. But what are we potentially missing? Well Are we living up to our potential at ratio?

Well, I think, one, the Colosseum is doing about between twenty five and forty events a year. So they're projecting 75 at a minimum, actually up to a 100. So rather than look at what are we missing, our I guess we have to look at what are we gaining. Right? We're gaining additional events that when that Colosseum was at its peak and the Exhibition Hall was at its peak, we were able to accommodate over a 100 events in the Colosseum and significantly more events going on pre pandemic in this place.

So from a capacity standpoint, I hope that this investment would bring us as a campus back to where we were before. As I mentioned at the beginning, that a lot of the things that go on in there that we were concerned about losing, we will we will be able to maintain. The two events that they have indicated that that we're, you know, we're gonna have to negotiate with is the Midwest Horse Fair and then any kind of motorized vehicle show. And we're in Madison, Wisconsin. The motorized vehicle shows indoors probably aren't gonna be a thing very much longer anyway.

You know, monster trucks and motocross and those kind of things, air quality is paramount. Right? And I think those things those kind of events, the good thing that they're gonna continue long term in Madison and probably is probably not realistic. So take that off the table right now. Really, the only thing that wouldn't that they would be concerned about would be the Midwest Horseware.

Every other thing we do in that building right now, love volleyball, will be will be perfect. Crown Globe progress will be perfect. High school graduations will be perfect. College graduations will be perfect. We can get some of the you know, like the Hereford And Angus, those national events to move from a dirt floor to a different product, then we should find that. Right? So I think I think looking at it like, what are we gonna gain is is important too. The

in regards to

the Dairy Expo, are you guys with their proposal as being that may be able to accommodate that amount of guarantee?

Yeah. That's on the four pages that they're that we're still in negotiation about releasing. Well, there is a line in there that indicates that they will be able to accommodate World Dairy Expo.

K. And then one other I guess, two last things. One, their proposal includes fairly detailed first five years or so of revenue projections, but there's nothing projections of on an annual basis of operating costs. Yep. Are they gonna provide that?

That's what we are negotiating with right now is how kinda gets to the revenue the revenue share of how we do that. If we do it with operating net operating income, then maybe we need to see that. If we do it a different way, like, on a on a paid attendance or attendance figure, then that may not be that important. So we those are the things we are talking with them about right now, analyzing internally to see which route we wanna go.

My last question for the moment is, can you describe for us how you're using ICON services? Did the no bid contract with them to help with negotiations? Are they sort of leading that, giving guidance to us, things we should be asking for and so forth, or are they sort of following structure?

No. They're we hired them because they've done this before, and we you know, there was nobody in the county that had ever done anything like this before. So we're they're kind of guiding us through this process. And, yeah, that's I'll leave it at

that for now. But, yeah, they're kind

of they're they're helping us. They're guiding us through the steps that we need to take to make this happen.

Do do you have a question?

No. Just that I hope that these negotiations Okay. Continue, and hopefully, we get through them fairly quickly so that we can get the RFI also out there. And I guess, you know, we're all on this committee because we represent different constituencies. And so and we are the AEC redevelopment committee.

Our goal is to get things redeveloped. So, I mean, we're at a point now that I think some of us that have been around this for a long time didn't think we'd ever get here. So I think we should be celebrating this. And if there's ways that once it is, once the negotiations are final and we're able to talk about things more, or if there's questions that some of the county supervisors have, they should we can to have them talk to their constituents. Because I hear what you're saying, Patrick, but in the opportunity cost right now, there's not a lot of opportunity there.

So there's no revenue to be shared. I think if this you know, you can get through the negotiations and get events in there and get it making some money, it's a lot better than the alternative, which is coming up with, what, $40,000,000 of cost that deferred maintenance costs and not having any concerts in this last year or none in the foreseeable future. So I just hope that we kinda keep our eye on the prize and move things forward.

Okay. Great, doctor.

I would like to agree with Pam.

Doctor. Anthony, yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Wanna agree with Pam. I think she said it well. You know, you finally got some momentum there and, you know, get, get this thing keep this thing moving.

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Sorry. Heather. I just wanted

to No.

That payment restricted. I echo those comments. And I did wanna ask if they had mentioned anything about anything more about parking. I know that's like a complex and expensive issue that impacts developability also on the site and everything. Is that part of the discussion at this stage? And is there a general sense that they'll need to figure out a way to accommodate that, you know, on a smaller site? Are they in in the mood to contribute to a structured parking solution? You know, how's that how's that thread of the conversation going?

Well, their their proposal called for them to control their the parking for their events. And we part of this conversation is realizing that having two people operate parking on this campus is not operationally sound move. So so we're at the point where we're gonna continue operating the the parking and that and so anything that we would have to do to accommodate the number of people that would come would be us and not have not through this contract negotiation.

Okay. Great. Thanks. Are there any other questions at this stage? We do have a couple more things on the agenda. Sure. Go ahead, supervisor.

Oh, there's a couple other questions. Okay. Sure. Go ahead. One, just back to events, like spur of the moment events that we have once in a while, like, for instance, presidential campaigns. They come in for rallies. They fill the place up, you know, for a day or, you know, maybe four or five times during a campaign presidential campaign season. Is that still gonna be possible?

Yeah. I and if the date's available, yeah. It's same with with when we, you know, when we run it. Right? I mean, we're

And then another another question. I you know, the board is gonna be concerned about several different things, but I think one of the main things they're gonna be concerned about probably is employees, how our employees are gonna relate to their employees. You know, how do you coordinate all that kind of thing? Are they gonna be working together at all? Or, you know, I just think there's there's gonna be a lot of questions in that. Can you just comment on what your thoughts are? Well, what I've How that's gonna work?

I mean, we're in negotiations on the trade. Right? So there may be may make sense to have electric same electricians. Our electricians work in there.

Our steam turbine's working there.

We'll see. That those are things we're we're in the under Mhmm. In conversation with. The center workers will will will likely have really limited, if any, involvement in that in the building. Right? There is enough, as I've told them and the employee group leadership, there is enough going on here, and there is enough in the the pavilions going on currently, let alone what's coming down the pipe as far as keeping them busy. Right? So there's little doubt that, there's no doubt that that we will maintain our workforce and keep them active in what's going on in this building and in the pavilions.

I guess my my thought is, you know, we're gonna be doing some events in the Coliseum. They're gonna be doing a majority of the events in

the Coliseum.

We won't be we won't be doing anything.

Events in the Coliseum.

What about the horse fair or World Dairy Expo. I mean, we're not we're doing some events there now, right, with our with our people.

Right. But but the proposal is they're gonna invest a $100,000,000 into the facility, and then they would operate it on a day to day basis.

So they're gonna operate it even when our events are in there,

Global routers They're be

Volleyball, all of them. They're gonna be doing everything there, so we won't we'll be hands off, basically, with the Coliseum, with our employees. With our employees. Potentially with with Specialty stuff, maybe. Okay. I I guess I was thinking it was gonna be more of a you know, we both do some that you can mix it up a little bit, but I I don't know. You know? That's that was my question, I guess. But I think there are gonna be some concerns to pass it through the board that are gonna be you're gonna need to listen to Yeah. While we while

you're negotiating. Yeah. I mean, as I've I've told our staff, the the growth of our staff is as far as numbers. Right? If we wanna grow the number of center workers we have, it's going to be in this building. It's gonna be the the exhibition hall expansion of this building. Even even I mean, without the expansion, we we're seeing an increase in the number of events this year over last year. We will see a number over 24 Yeah. 25 over 24. So Yeah. The Coliseum events have continued to dwindle. The Exhibition Hall has continued to rise. So Okay. We will see growth here. Yeah.

And I guess the other thing I just wanted to bring up was, you know, we're heading on our way towards getting off of GPR with with the AEC as a whole, And I I think that's great. And I just wanna make sure, you know, with this arrangement, we're still gonna be able to do that and then some, hopefully. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're not giving tax dollars.

Separate we separate all the cost centers. Each building has its own cost center. Yeah. Traditionally, we lose half $1,000,000 a year on operating the Coliseum. Yeah. We net over $1,000,000 operating this facility. Yep.

I just wanna make sure we're heading in that direction and Yep. And even more in that direction where it's self sufficient, but then it's all keep drawing it that way.

Okay. Thank you for that. I just want to I've got more questions. But does anybody online have a question? Because I know, doctor Anthony spoke, but is there anybody else online? No? Okay. Just wanted to make sure. So okay. Brewer, why you go ahead, and then we do have a couple other things.

I think you can be very excited about this amazing opportunity and still be very thoughtful about the governance and the organization, whether it's operations as that facility parking meshes with the whole campus. I think that's would be the where I hope we we we land. Right? It's super exciting to have this opportunity, but we gotta do it the right way.

Yeah. And I agree with you because we are going to be the three of us here are the ones that are gonna be operating it, And we got we have to make sure it works. Right? And so we have taken all of that into consideration, and that's, what we're we're doing right now.

If you have more questions, you can follow-up with Kevin too. I thought you'd recognize. So, alright. Did you have anything else? Okay. So, so, yeah, keep the questions coming. We wanna hear, the next thing on your list was the, what I was looking forward to was storm water and traffic plans update because this is something the storm water is something that's been critical to the surrounding areas, surrounding neighborhoods. So this is something that I've been asking about for a long time and really looking forward to hearing some more details on it. So I suppose that's your part of the agenda, so I should be quiet. So I

don't know. Larry well, I'll

turn it over to Larry Barton who'll introduce the folks from Grave that will be giving the presentation.

Everybody hear me okay?

I think so. Yes. Yep.

Okay. Great. Yeah. I'll be brief here. But basically, beginning at of last year, we started a stormwater and traffic master plan, which was an advancement of the prior master plan. Now looking more specifically at stormwater and traffic, and then also part of this is parking. And it's it's all evolved around evaluating the long term vision for the entire campus with the Colosseum, with the mixed use, with the Expo Hall expansion, all considered simultaneously. So I'm gonna turn it over. We have a a short presentation to give you an update. And I'll I'll say right now, we're two thirds of the way through our storm water and traffic master plan.

It was a three step process starting with some listening, followed by discovery. We've completed that discovery phase, so we have a general direction that we'd like to explore further in our final step, which would be happening in 2026 here. We have three folks on the line from Grave. They're our consulting engineer for this work. We have Joy Corona and Alexandria Motal and Amy Landis, and they've prepared this presentation. I don't know which one's gonna go first, so I'll let them jump in.

Looks like stormwater. Right? Mhmm.

Right.

Ding ding.

Cues. Okay. Good

good following the word cues. No. I'm just kidding. So Joy Corona with Grafe. I am heading up the stormwater master planning portion. This is just a brief overview of where we're at, hopefully. So kind of an overview of the existing conditions. Here is the campus. There has been development activity for more than fifty years. To the northwest of the project is the capped landfill, but we did find that the waste limits associated with the landfill do extend onto the campus.

Here's an approximate boundary, and we'll tie into how these pieces of information are significant in a few more slides. And then, there were also some borings taken across the entire campus. Areas with red either are infiltration prohibited, so infiltration would be prohibited anywhere that would be in this waste limit area. There's also some known contaminated soils down here. It's not suitable due to infiltration rates, you know, in the other red areas.

There's some potential where the borings are shown as yellow, and then there is suitable soils to allow for infiltration in the green. And again, I'll tie this back in in a few more minutes. So to kind of further highlight the existing conditions, there are four major discharge watersheds from the campus. We have it from the Willow Island, you know, in this Northeast corner. There's two that kind of go across Rimrock, and one, this is a sensitive neighborhood area to the west.

And there are a number of about seven actual stormwater facilities on the campus, blue with open water, and green that are BMPs. Sorry. And then this is just a clip of the John Nolan watershed study. So the watershed study did identify limits of the anticipated hundred year flood for the larger overall John Nolan Watershed. You can see it did identify significant, you know, projected flooding adjacent to the campus.

It did not do a detailed dive in this piece, which is something that we'll be doing phase three, or the next step that Larry mentioned. The plan is that the design will exceed the City of Madison standards for redevelopment. Redevelopment standards include reducing peak runoff rate, which is a water quantity. Oops. Sorry. I'm going the wrong way. Amy, do you want to take over for a minute?

Sure. So the in the the phase that we've completed, we looked at evaluating the site for, you know, path to overall campus compliance with the city of Madison redevelopment requirements. So the first bullet is peak reducing the rate of water leaving the site. So for redevelopment, the city requires the rate to be reduced by 15% compared to existing conditions during an equivalent ten year recurrence interval event based on our initial findings. The proposed improvements that we have coming out of the first phase are showing around an overall 18% reduction.

The next piece of the redevelopment requirement is to reduce the volume of water from leaving the site by 5% compared to the ten year equivalent event. And right now, that's showing around seven. And then the final piece that we looked at was reducing the suspended solids, so sand, other floating particulates from the water by 60% for our roads and parking lots in the redevelopment area. And right now, the anticipated reduction is around 90%. Now referring back to the previous slide Joy showed with the with the bore soil boring locations, right now, we didn't look at many areas for infiltration.

This wouldn't be required. And, point we wanted to note was that the Alliant Energy Center will continue to receive water from off-site. For example, the Kwan Park runoff and some runoff from the South. And then there will also be runoff from the site in most rainfall, most of the larger rainfall events, like what happens today, although reduced in rate and reduced in volume by the amounts shown. And then beyond the code, we also looked at the modeling through the five hundred year event and were able to reduce the rate of water for that event.

And then are specifically looking more at sub area four, which is the area going to the west to the neighborhoods that I know have expressed concern. Joy, do you wanna take it

back over? Thanks, Amy. So the for the neighborhood, we would want to exceed the code and, you know, specifically ensure that the rate and volume to that neighborhood is is discharged in addition to meeting these standards. So as an overview, the we've identified likely locations of new stormwater facilities, so those are shown in yellow. In addition to enhanced stormwater facilities, we'd be doing enhancements to the existing facilities, so those are shown in orange.

We're looking at providing some fill to, you know, kind of reduce flooding in part of the camping area. And then wanted to specifically note that the area to the east of Rimrock will remain in its natural state. So we'd be preserving those wetlands and the existing stormwater storage and infiltration, to the East. We've identified a few areas of potential green infrastructure moving forward, and I'm going to talk a little bit more in-depth on green infrastructure and volume reduction. So these are two of the slides we were just showing.

Green infrastructure will be incorporated into the future projects. There's a number of different practices. But kind of tying the pieces back together, green infrastructure is the way that we can reduce runoff volume and rate leaving the site, but we are very limited due to the different constraints, which would include the soils. There's shallow bedrock, which doesn't support infiltration, the areas within the waste limits, the contaminated soils. Oops.

Go ahead. I thought I heard someone. I'm sorry. But we want to ensure as each piece gets developed in the campus, there will be different opportunities, for instance, where the purple are shown that these features would be integrated into the site design. Do we want to continue with traffic and then ask questions at the end, or do you wanna pause here?

How about if we pause here and Sure. Does does anyone have questions on this section? Anyone? Okay. I just had a a couple brief ones quickly. You said here on page whatever it is that Lickburg Pond will be reconfigured to maximize performance. Does that mean it's going to get bigger, and is that in the yellow? Is that the existing?

So it is Lickford Pond is right down here. So the proposed roadway here would require this to kind of be reconfigured, and then we were looking to add an additional feature here to really help reduce. So this is around where the location is. Right. So it needs to be reconfigured, and then we were gonna try to maximize it as part of that and then expand it by providing another facility to the north.

Okay. Alright. Great. That's all I had. Does anybody have any questions? Anybody online have questions about this? Okay. Alright. If not, why don't we go ahead to the traffic, planning or, well, parking traffic?

Sure.

Yeah. Alright, Alex. Do you want me to Sure. I can.

Yeah. That's since you got it up already, then we don't have to worry about changing it. Hello, everyone. Thanks. I'm, Alex Modell, and I'm leading, the traffic portion of the master plan, of implementing that. So, next slide, Joy. Wanted to give kind of a brief overview of what the original master plan was showing as far as different land use development. So I believe most of you are familiar with the exhibition hall expansion and hotel that's going on. Those are the kind of pink areas that we're showing in the master plan. And then, obviously, the Colosseum renovations, have been a major discussion point today, but those are ongoing or imminent, you know, plans underway.

The additional development primarily focuses on the mixed use buildings, and those are shown in purple. So there's two off to the northeast kind of corner of campus. Yes. Thank you, Joy. And then there's one at the very north end, the Olin residential kind of on Willow Island area.

Primary plans right now are focusing on the two buildings on the main campus on the East Side to be a mix of apartments, residential uses, potentially hotel, and then office and potential potential office and then retail space. The original master plan did show a pretty significant amount of office space. And in this implementation time, we've kind of updated that as we've understood how changes in office space usage, have have happened primarily as a shift in COVID and and work from home and remote work policies that office space may not be quite as heavily used, now as we had originally, planned for in the master plan back in 2018. But in general, the uses are expected to be restaurants, coffee shops, retail, kind of that commercial business with perhaps some office space. The building, the Olin Building to the north would likely just be residential.

And then we also have ongoing improvements to other areas of campus, you know, the pavilions and arena and and things like that. We did wanna highlight the volumes. So in that table at the bottom of this slide, you're seeing the first column is showing kind of just the the these numbers represent just your evening rush hour. So the sixty minute window at the end of the day, a typical weekday, the traffic that's entering and exiting the campus on a traditional weekday right now, a future weekday where there is not a special event going on, just traditional typical volumes coming and leaving the site. And then that last column on the right is the potential if there is a special event, and those volumes were determined based on market studies and capacity of the Colosseum and and what typical event types of of traffic you're seeing.

So, obviously, there's some changes in volume there. So on the next slide, we'll talk about some of the roadway improvements that we're expecting and recommending for the campus, and then we'll also talk about some of the adjacent surface streets. But for this, you'll see on the image on the right, we've got kind of that thick black line running around the entire campus, and we're calling that the the ring Road. We're expecting that that'll be a four lane road. And, really, the the benefit of a ring road is to improve circulation and safety within the campus itself.

This ring road is gonna provide access to the various parking areas on campus, any drop off areas, and as well as the secondary street, which are the the streets shown in red right now. But, really, the benefit of this ring road is better wayfinding and circulation within the campus for visitors who are not familiar with the campus, who maybe are coming for a conference or, you know, a special event or a a concert at the Colosseum, it can be overwhelming to to drive through city streets. You don't necessarily know where you're going. The current configuration of campus does have a lot of of access points onto main streets, but there's not always great connectivity once you're in the campus. So if someone enters from the wrong entrance point, they may have to go back out that same entrance point and use the city streets to get to the entrance that they should be at.

The benefit of a Ring Road is that they can kind of access the entire campus from within, and that can be slower speeds, better way finding, just a a lower stress environment for people to navigate through that campus. One of the things that we'll prioritize in the design of the Ring Road is streetscaping to really make sure that you're prioritizing multimodal facilities and spaces and making sure that the campus feels like a pedestrian focused or bicycle focused facility. Right? So it's not gonna have the same feel as your John Nolan Drive or Rimrock Road streets. This is gonna be more of a a driveway type of street as you're as you're navigating campus, and I've got some pictures of that in a a future slide.

Another one of the benefits of the Ring Road is that when you do have major special events where you have that huge influx of traffic, the Ring Road does provide flexibility for staging traffic off of the city streets. So we know that one of the comments that the campus receives a lot is that during a special event, traffic can back up and impact the BeltLine. It can impact Rimrock Road. We met with city transit, and they said that making some of the bus stop routes can be really challenging with with vehicles stacking into campus. So the Ring Road provides some of that queuing space internal to campus.

By being four lanes, it also provides some flexibility for reversible lanes. So maybe at the start of an event, you would have three lanes coming in and one exiting. And then as you're leaving campus, you might have areas of the Ring Road that are three lanes exiting. Right? So you can reverse that traffic to help kind of maximize your input and output of of development and of traffic coming in and out.

The secondary streets really provide that connectivity to the various areas. You know, those might not be open to vehicles during certain periods. It might be for authorized vehicles only. Those would be very low speed, maybe 10 or 15 miles an hour that just kind of have you know, so that you don't necessarily have to go back out to the Ring Road if you're moving equipment between facilities or something like that. It's kind of a general overview of what we're thinking for inside the campus.

On the next slide, we will look at some of the potential improvements that we're looking at for off-site. So the first that we are you know, these would likely require significant involvement with the city or potentially the state as well. But one of the first ones is right now, the entrance on John Nolan Drive is a right in, right out at the Colosseum entrance. So that's that northeast star on the the graphic on Sean Nolan Drive. We are recommending that that would become a full access entrance.

So there would be a median break on John so that you could enter coming from the south on John Nolan. You could make that left turn in. And as you're leaving, you wouldn't only have to turn right. You could also turn left. We do expect that this would likely require a traffic signal.

Right now, it's just a stop control, but that is you know, John Nolan is is three lanes in each direction. With the volume of traffic that we would expect based on mixed use development and residential traffic, we do expect that that would be a signal. We have had some preliminary discussions with the city about that and are looking at different concepts. You know, we need to to do some traffic analysis to see if it meets the general requirements for installing a signal, but that is one thing that we are looking at. Additional access points, you know, the main entrance on Rimrock, some potential enhancements to that intersection, another intersection on Rimrock Road at the towards the south side of the campus.

That right now is gated off and is not typically used. We would expect that that may become a more permanent full access entrance that does provide access to the exhibition hall and the new hotel. So we'll be looking at impacts for how that intersection might with expanded use, how progression would continue along Rimrock Road, and then maintaining the Rusk Avenue entrance that is there, and then also the Quan Olin Parkway on the north end of campus. With this Ring Road, we would be looking at how we would modify that access to provide an access on the north end as well. So really providing more flexibility for how people can come to the campus and and get around.

As I mentioned, some of these improvements will require coordination with other entities. So there are a variety of roadway construction projects scheduled for the area, you know, John Nolan Drive with the city of Madison. There are plans for improvements there, so we are working with that team as well to make sure, you know, if we were to plan a signalized intersection and widen for turn lanes, how the John Nolan project should take that into consideration and and how that would be designed so that everything fits and there's no rework that needs to be done. Similarly, there's the Rimrock Road project with the county that I'm sure many of you are very familiar with. And then lastly, there is a study for The US 1218 beltline that WSDOT is is going through right now.

We have met with WSDOT as part of these discussions. That project is a little bit larger in scale, focusing on multiple interchanges across the entire belt line. This particular interchange is not scoped for any major reconstruction in the next ten to twenty years. So there's not anything that we would really recommend right now at this point. But, I mean, I know the master plan does talk about, access directly from the campus to the BeltLine.

So, I think in the future, if some of this development happens, there might be additional opportunities down the road for some of that infrastructure changes. The next slide, we wanna talk a little bit about some of the multimodal recommendations and and facilities that can be provided here. So, you know, we talked about this Ring Road in the center. You see a picture here of an example of a Campus Street. This is a medical campus in the Milwaukee area that Graef has designed, but it's just an example really of how a street can be integrated with pedestrian areas and green spaces where the pedestrians are really prioritized and the street is not the primary focus.

It's it's a street running through a green space, not green space trying to be fitted into a street. And so, you know, the campus, if you look at this picture on the the right, you'll see some purple areas that are designated as kind of pedestrian plazas and green spaces and how those could be integrated if the ring road were to cross that pedestrian space. We also have bike facilities. In blue, you see the existing facilities, a capital city trail, plans for Rimrock. With the campus, we plan multiple connections to all of those existing facilities as well as circulation internal to the campus.

Most of the connections are focused on the East Side right now. You know, being sensitive to the neighborhood to the West of campus, we know that the neighborhoods don't necessarily want major vehicle connections on the West Side, but understanding that we may want to still provide some bicycle and multimodal connections, we'll wanna explore what those opportunities for West Side bike connections may be. We're also planning internal to the site, areas for rideshare and shuttle drop offs, you know, better connectivity to businesses downtown that might want to have shuttles from downtown areas to the to the campus for special events, as well as transit. We have had some discussions with transit about, existing service lines and where those bus stops are and what challenges they have, during events and nonevents, opportunities for expanded routes and services. You know, transit has an interest in, providing routes and stops that serve residential areas.

So if the campus is going to have some residential areas, that might be an opportunity as well. So, you know, we're looking at all of these these components of making this truly a multimodal campus that serves all users regardless of how they're coming to and from campus.

Okay. Great. Thank you for that. Are there any quick questions?

We do have one more slide on parking if you have any

if they wanna Sorry to rush you, but we just have a couple other issues on our agenda. So

Okay.

Please

go ahead. A quick overview. Well, this is really fast then.

Okay.

Being at the parking on the campus, we do expect to maintain and increase the total supply.

Okay. Alright. Great. Supervisor Leiper. Question.

Is that Ring Road gonna remain a private road, or is it a public city road?

The intent

is that

Go ahead, Alex. Go ahead.

The intent is that it would remain a private road.

Okay.

Any other questions? Anybody on the line? No? Okay. Okay. Alright. Sounds good. Thank you very much. We'll have more follow-up questions for you, but I'm really happy to see work is progressing on that. Alright. The next thing, Kevin, reviews of the RFI, mixed use RFI. Thanks, Larry. You're connecting up here. There. No?

Looks like you're yeah. Thanks.

Alright. Just another look at the RFI here after hearing from this group at the January meeting. Jumped. There were a few points of feedback received from this group. So those are listed on the left side of this table.

And then on the right side, just a brief statement of how they were addressed. I'll walk through those points here and explain what was changed. Everyone did get the current draft of the questions in the packet, to review in advance of the meeting today. I have all of those questions on slides following this if we need to go into them, but I'll just start with this high level overview. So in general, we heard a desire to delay the RFI, which was going to be released in January in order to allow the Colosseum proposal to advance a bit.

Since then, that Colosseum proposal, of course, has been made public. So if we move forward after today's meeting with the RFI, the intent would be to release that sometime this week. Getting into the details of the questions that were modified, there was a suggestion to ask about parking ratios and ask the development community what they might propose for the mixed use areas. So this was added to what is now question number three. Question three asks about general square footages or units approximately that developers would allocate to the variety of the end use options presented.

So in the RFI itself, we would see this as a question that, you know, maybe is presented in tabular format, and they would be able to, for example, say I'm proposing or I would suggest, 500 to 600 housing units. And then next to that in an adjacent column, you know, maybe the parking ratio for those housing units is somewhere between one point two and one point five per unit, or whatever it is that they think would be a good fit for this area. So that's how question three would work after adding in the parking suggestion from the last meeting. In January, we also had a question number four at the time, which asked about desirability for other entertainment land uses on the site. The question was a little bit confusing.

We weren't sure if that was intended to be for the campus as a whole or if developers were supposed to respond to that question for the mixed use sites individually. So I think the decision of this group last month was just to simply remove that question, which we did. There was also some discussion back to the Colosseum about finding a way to recognize the potential coordination between the two separate projects moving forward at the same time. So, of course, the Coliseum proposal being out, the fate of that, not necessarily being certain. We're not entirely sure what the impacts of that coliseum proposal would be on the mixed use areas.

So we did add a open ended question number six, which tries to get at that issue. And we framed it as know, there's this proposal coming forward that could invest over a $100,000,000. You know, what impact does that have on your your potential future response on a mixed use RFP? And then finally, this was not a direct point of feedback from this group, but just in thinking about the mix of the questions, we did add a new one, which is question number one on the list. And this question asks about how the development community would prioritize land uses, specifically as they relate to site activation and vibrancy.

So in question number two, we're asking about their perspective on market feasibility. What do they think is feasible for number of housing units on the site? But we didn't want that to be the only lens that they were looking at this with. So if if market feasibility is a is a goal, site activation and vibrancy is also a a goal. So how can they use question number one to sort of give us a little bit better idea of of that criteria?

So in that one, we ask them to choose their top three that would contribute to vibrancy and activation. Summary of the changes. And like I mentioned, I do have each of the questions here, number one through seven, as they were presented in your packets, there's anything we want to look at specifically.

Questions. Dana?

Maybe just one question on number six to change it, and I'm assuming that no one would answer it as a yes, no. But do do we want it to maybe and I don't mean to edit by committee by any means, but instead, does it enhance market feasibility and interest? Does it impact your market? Does it impact market feasibility and interest to try to encourage people to explain why they see it as a good thing or as a derogatory thing.

A yesno might not give us a lot of Yeah.

Any

other comments?

Number four, complementary with an e dot an I. Thank you. Take copy.

So the the the idea is to take our comments from today and that this would go out this week. Right. Or Yeah. What's new?

Yep. So next step sort of summarized here in the

screen. Okay.

If there are head nods and consensus from today, we would look at releasing this RFI this week, reviewing a list of who that would go to with Kevin, leave that open for thirty days. And then as previously discussed, collate a summary of responses, put those all together that aggregates the input received, but doesn't attribute that to any specific individual respondent.

Supervisor collated.

It was.

He did make it or he was. He

might have popped up.

Okay. Do you have any comments? No. Okay.

Okay. Otherwise, if we don't have any other, then move ahead with us.

K. Thanks for your input on that. Just a couple of slides here with an update then. Yes.

Okay. Good.

Great.

And the upcoming town hall meetings. So these are additional engagement opportunities, and we have dates selected for two events coming up here on Monday, March 2. This this event would be held over at the Black Business Hub on Park Street. Both of the events starting at 04:30 going an hour and a half. The second event would be held here at the Align Energy Center on Tuesday, March 10.

Slightly different target audiences, but similar to what was done at past engagement events with the Black Business Hub event being invites to community organization leadership, the adjacent neighborhoods on the South Side, and businesses as well as the general public, and the March 10 event here at AEC with adjacent neighborhoods and businesses, the general public, as well as AEC campus clients. Generally, the format that we would propose for these two events is a combination of general presentation with open house style stations on specific topic areas. So we would have a portion of the agenda for welcome and introductions followed by an overarching presentation, just updates on master plan progress, updates since last engagement opportunities, and then breaking into stations. These are, again, open house format, so there are not intended to be individual presentations that would be timed or anything. People could go to the station where they have a particular interest.

They're not obligated to stay for the whole sixty minutes. They could spend two minutes at one and move on to the next, and they could bounce around. Each station would be staffed by representatives specific to that topic area, and the list of the stations that we're working on is on the right side of the screen. One for the X Hall, one for the Colosseum, breaking the storm water into one and then traffic another, one focused on the mixed use areas, which might discuss zoning approach and the master plan process that we need to go through with the city, and then finally, enhancing area connections where we can take a little bit of a broader look and get feedback related to the destination district as a whole and the various projects that are happening in this area. I have just one more slide in case there were questions on who would be who we would reach out to for attending these two events, and there's quite a robust dataset of groups that have been involved in these different events in the past.

So we're going to build off of those, make sure they're all updated with the newest organization leader contact, etcetera. So the newsletter that went out at the end of last year, that's very robust list to start with. The Chambers of Commerce Greater Madison, DMI, adjacent neighborhoods, businesses, business associations, Destination Madison, and community organization leadership.

Okay. Thank you. I have one question. Do you have something that so sorry. Back up. So these two our next meeting is on March 16. So these are happening before we meet again. Do you guys have something that we could, send out in an email, you know, to our list and also something that we could post on social media?

Absolutely. Yep. That would be this invitation content that we can share with you very quickly.

Yeah. If you can get that out, well, to between Kevin and Kate Lane, that we can get that out to the committee so that we can start posting and sending these out. That would be great. Okay. Supervisor. Yeah.

Can you go back to the second or the last slide? So I'm just wondering if this is not a period there for questions, like general questions before you break out in the session.

Yeah. I think we'll be able to incorporate that within number two. We just wanna be able to reserve enough time to get to those stations. So it'll be a general q and a, maybe a few, could be taken in the large format. I forgot to mention that at the open house, each station one through six, we will have comment cards and an ability for people to write a question there or leave feedback specific to that. So that will be another opportunity for people to ask those questions.

Okay. Great. Anything else? Anybody else have any questions on this? So I look forward to getting that from you so we can Yeah. Spread the word as well, on the two public events. Do you have

any other comments on those? Nope.

Okay. Really excited to have those happening. So, okay. So with that

so we got the update on

the town halls. Again, I said the next meeting we have scheduled is March 16 at twelve here again, hybrid, of course. And next items on the agenda, public comment on items not on the agenda, if anybody has those. If not, anything else not are allowed by law. Otherwise, we can have a motion to adjourn.

So moved.

Great. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Thank you. We are adjourned.