Public Safety Commission - Regular Meeting

Alright.

So for the minutes, we are beginning at 06:02.

So welcome to the Public Safety Commission, 09/11/2025 meeting. I now call this meeting in order. And I don't have the tool, but that's okay. And, Samartha, please help us to conduct the roll call.

Yes.

Chair Das?

Yes. Present.

Vice chair, Rajaram? Commissioner Beggar. Yes. Commissioner Sappaharam. Commissioner Klein.

Yes.

Okay. So so we have the quorum right now. We can start it. And our first item on the agenda is the approval of the minutes. Right? So can I can I start that?

Does anyone have any questions about the

minutes? Changes. Right?

Okay. So can I have the motion to approve the meeting then?

Can make a motion to approve the meeting minutes.

Someone to second. Yeah. Yeah. For seconding, some seconding also. Okay. Fine.

Okay. So caution maker making a motion. Okay. Chair Doss?

Yes.

Commissioner Begore? Yes. Commissioner Klein? Yes. Motion carries.

Thank you. So our next thing in the meetings is do we have any right now?

So we have our new commissioner, commissioner Klein. Would you like to say hi and introduce yourself?

Awesome. Yes. The new commissioner, let's introduce her.

So my name is Greg Klein. I come from cert background, and I've been active since 2017. I am one of the stewards of the ARC or ARC in Cupertino, the Ragnar Tessellations. I think it's what the campus is now called. And very excited to be here. I'm very interested in emergency preparedness, especially, but interested in being able to help out. I've been living in Cupertino since I've been three, so a great number of years. And very happy to be here.

Thank you.

And we have a new person joining us. Lindsay is here from the clerk's office.

Wow. Yeah.

Welcome, Lindsay. I'm the administrative assistant at the clerk's office, so I'm gonna be doing roll call. I'm gonna be doing the votes and the minutes for this meeting.

We're coming.

Yeah. And what happened to our previous

So council voted that the office of emergency management the city management office.

Mhmm.

So Jessica is no longer the administrative assistant, but, Lindsay actually recently got promoted, and she is now the administrative assistant for all of the, commissions. So she's been doing a great job so far.

Excellent. Forward to you. K.

And then, you will see you have the little mini badges. Those are for if you go to events or anything.

Oh, awesome.

On the back, the QR code, people can scan that, and it'll create a contact in their phone with your email and your name.

Wow.

Very nice. So we don't have to wear it right now.

Want to.

Like, it makes no sense. There's one here.

Okay. There's one other thing. Our meetings are now hybrid, so we're gonna be doing public comment both online and in person.

Excellent.

Yeah. K.

I saw that's a big upgrade. Yeah. Alright.

And then the final thing is we had a typo in the agenda. The commissioner reports have update were left out. So if we could

Yeah. So yeah. I have it. He has made it. Right? This one. His copy, I have it. So the commissioner report and stuff are that's the next one. Right? Next topic. Right?

Yes. So we just need a motion and a

Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. So that's our next, you know, agenda is the commissioner report and the staff update. So I need a motion The

motion to to include it, and then that will go

Okay. Also, to include it. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Okay. I need a motion to include this in the agenda.

Okay. Okay. I'll make the motion to include the two topics into the agenda. That'll be at the end. Okay.

I'll send you now second.

Great. Do you agree to say aye?

Yes. Aye. Aye.

Three ayes to absences, and the motion passes. And next, we have oral comment. Harris, would like to open the floor for oral comment?

Yes. So this is the oral comment section, and this is for open to public. We're presenting the room for the recent events on public and as well as virtually. And I think everyone has the opportunity to speak for a few minutes. Right? And then can discuss from there. So do we have anyone to present?

We have no speakers in person, and we have no hands raised on Zoom.

And any question? Any email? No.

No.

Then we can go to the next topic then.

Close oral Somebody for oral communications just raised their hand. Is it okay if we

go Yes. Yeah. Awesome.

So, Chair, if you reopen oral comment,

be careful.

Yeah. I want to open open it again, the oral comment section. So and let's take the oral comments.

Welcome, Frank.

Hello. Hi. Hello. Hello? Can you hear me?

We can hear you. We can hear you.

Okay. My name is Frank. Actually, I I I only find out we have the public safe meeting, like, a few days ago. I didn't have enough chance to to, let's say, talk to some of my neighbor or friend who actually have the same concern. So, basically hello? Can you hear me?

Okay.

So, basically, I I live in Cupertino for seven years. I have two young young daughter. One is in, elementary, one is in, middle school in Kennedy. So we live in the Baryon Park area. So every day, I can walk my daughter to Baryon Park Baryon Park to Stevens Creek, but now I will drive my older daughter to, Kennedy.

So, you know, this year, Kennedy, they start to have every student start at 08:00. The traffic is like a new it's like horrible. Ten minutes drive, we take forty five minutes, sometime an hour. I was like, there's nothing you can do about that, but there's something I wanna address is, we've been always in voting. We want the city to consider to build a bridge to link connect the the north and the south of the, of the Stevens Creek Boulevard.

As you know, there's a a project called Carmen Bridge. I remember three years ago, me and a few friend, we rally. We even come to this. I was doing the same presentation, last time. It seems like not too many people, they are What? Really see the importance. But recently, you know, the there's a big, tragedy happened. Somebody get injured. Some dog is missing, all those things. I just wanna readdress.

We really need the city to reconsider to build a bridge. There's multiple option, like the Carmen Bridge. Also, you know, there's a there's a owner. I know the gentleman who opened who bought the land to open to open that to the public. So every day, we can pass through the Variant Park to the BlackBerry Farm with that entrance.

I heard the owner, they're willing to donate their their their land to the city so that the city can do some innovation, maybe build a a bridge or the underground on pave or something. So something I just wanna address. I I I would love to bring some of my friends or whatever, but it's last minute. Hopefully, you can listen and take this into consideration to let the mayor and the Republic Safety Commission to to to help us, to protect us, to make this community much, much safer. Thank you so much.

Thank you, Frank. We have no other speakers on Zoom and no one in person, Chair.

Okay. Then we can place the the communication section. Should we have a motion to close? No. Can close this. Right? Okay. And so now our next is the old business in the agenda.

We have no old business.

Oh, okay. So we have to

K. So

we have a presentation from Charles Harris. He is the senior public information communications officer for the, attorney's office of emergency management. And go ahead.

Hello?

Do you mind sharing your screen?

Sure thing. Let me see if I can do that this. So can you guys see my screen at all? Are you guys able to see this?

Yes. We can see it.

Awesome. Perfect. Thank you. Awesome. So good evening, everyone. Thank you to the chair and the vice chair and the members for having me. I am Charles Harris. I am the County of Santa Clara's Office of Emergency Management's senior public information officer and communications officer. And today, we're gonna be talking a little bit about alert and warning and the importance of Alert SCC, which is the County Of Santa Clara's official emergency alert system. So just a quick overview about what we're gonna talk about this evening.

So we're gonna talk about who we are as an organization, for the Office of Emergency Management. We're gonna talk about the importance of emergency, alert and warnings, coordination with local jurisdictional partners, promoting AlertSCC to increase subscribers, multilingual alerts and the whole community approach that we take within promotion of Alert SCC, and then we'll talk about a call to action that everybody in the community can use to be able to support everybody signing up for Alert SCC. Just a little bit about the county office of emergency management. We are responsible for supporting fire, law, and other public safety entities in emergencies and disasters. So, we are directly responsible for serving community members living in the unincorporated areas of Santa Clara County.

However, we do support any cities within our jurisdiction within any type of crisis or emergency that happens. We will help them and support them with any resource needs, whether that is a generator to a body and a seat in their emergency operations center. We support all of the 15 cities within our county. We're also responsible for coordinating and facilitating emergency resources. So like I said before, if we have a disaster or a crisis within Cupertino, and you guys need generators, or you guys need different warming or cooling centers, things like that, you would coordinate with the county, and we would help and support you getting those resources so that your community members have their needs met during a crisis and after a crisis as well.

So the importance of emergency alerts and warnings. So first is lifesaving information. This is gonna be the most important part of emergency alert and warnings. So timely alerts give people crucial lead time to take the proactive steps in order to safeguard their lives and the people around them and their property. So public warning systems save lives and reduce the loss when a disaster strikes.

However, we've seen in the past that there's been a lack of warnings, within the city, in the county of Los Angeles and different things where we've seen different kind of case studies where we've seen kind of the things that we could have done that could have been better. And then so we learn from all of these different kind of emergencies around us so that we can be better prepared for our community members as well, so we can prevent deaths and destruction within our county. So, there are three phases of disaster communications. So, alerts are vital at every stage, so we focus on before, during, and after an emergency. So, before and preparation messaging, those are gonna be early warnings such as weather watches, wildfire warnings to prompt readiness and encourage early evacuations so that community members have in the back of their head that there might be something bigger that could happen, so that they're prepared, especially with the community members with access and functional needs.

So those are gonna be community members that have hearing aids or have a walking impairment, anything like that. We want those community members and their family members to prepare early just in case a crisis or an emergency arises. When we're talking about during an emergency and the emergency alerts that you'll be receiving, They're going to be real time alerts. We coordinate with multiple jurisdictions and all of our public safety partners. So that includes fire.

That includes police and the sheriff's office. So we have the most relevant and most up to date information to feed to the media and also the public. So, after an emergency, we really want to push the community approach to resources within that is available to the community members within Santa Clara County. So these are gonna be ongoing alerts regarding post disaster information around shelters, how to safely return to your residence if there was a wildfire or an evacuation, and aiding recovery. So keeping the public informed after a disaster is very, very important, because after a, you know, when a disaster happens, everybody is wondering what's next, what do we do to move forward.

So this is very critical information that we share with our community members so we can get back to a normal type of society after a disaster. So coordination with our local jurisdictional partners is very, very important. We need to have a unified county system, so that means that all cities and towns in the County Of Santa Clara, they share one alert platform called AlertSEC or Everbridge. So that is a whole platform that every single of the 15 cities in Santa Clara County has access to. The county pays for that, and it is up to that emergency management department within that city to use and utilize that alert SEC system.

So, as I said, it's a joint system, so it ensures that residents see the most consistent messaging, whether an incident affects one community or many, just so they have situational awareness. So joint messaging protocols. The County of Santa Clara Office of Emergency Management, we work very, very closely with all the emergency managers and public information officers within all the 15 cities within the county. We do this because we need to be able to coordinate messaging and have one unified message. If we have misinformation going out or two different pathways of information of what you should do next for a community member, it gets very confusing.

So making sure that we have a harmonized communications plan is very, very important when we're communicating with community members. So we'll talk a little bit about Alert SCC and promoting it. So this is my favorite thing in the world. I love marketing. I like promotion, and I love connecting with community members.

And so I've had to understand what the need was in the community in order to be able to fill those needs, specifically within preparedness and emergencies within Santa Clara County. So what I've learned about alert and warnings is that there's an opt in challenge within the community. So Alert SCC is an opt in system. So that means that residents and community members or anybody that wants to sign up for Alert SCC, they have to do that themselves. It's not automatically in their phone or added to their contact book at all.

So that is a challenge that we have to communicate with the community, that you have to be able to do this on your own and also promote to other family members and neighbors that you have to sign up for these alerts in an emergency so you can get those critical messages of the next steps. What we really try to push is easy and free enrollment within Alert SCC. When we go out to outreach events, a lot of people might be a little hesitant around signing up because of their personal information being secure, or if we are going to bombard them with a bunch of messages. We try to encourage them and we try to inform them that you won't be getting any type of messages that aren't relevant to you. Alert So SCC is based upon zip code.

So anything that is happening when you register within your zip code on Alert SCC, you will have that option to be able to widen kind of your location of what kind of alerts that you want. So we try to emphasize that it's very easy and it's free, and you get to control how you are communicated with and what kind of alerts that you get. So public education and outreach, we are one of the most robust outreach programs that we have with the county. So we have a lot of different outreach events each year. We attend a lot of outreach events with dignitaries and hard to reach communities, so we can really try to grab as many people as possible and grab their attention to alert SEC and alert in warnings.

So, tabling at community fairs, dignitary events, and preparedness workshops, you know, demonstrates Alert SCC, and we kind of show them in person how Alert SCC works and how to sign up and the importance of that. We also do a lot of digital campaigns. So we have regular social media messages and reminders urging sign ups for community members that might have not signed up yet, or community members that have signed up in the past and they need to update their relevant information. Something that we've seen is that a lot of people that have either moved locations and their ZIP code has changed, either from Cupertino or San Jose, for example, they've not updated their alert SEC. So, we are really trying to encourage people to stay up to date with the relevant information so they can get those critical alerts wherever they are.

And then lastly, partner engagement. This is super, super important. We coordinate with schools, libraries, CERT teams, neighborhood associations, dignitaries, you name it. We really try to push the alert and warning system, Alert SCC. It can be a lifesaving tool in an emergency.

So just to continue about promoting alert SEC, media and leadership is also a big part of that. We do send out press releases and media events highlighting the alert and warning system within Santa Clara County. So local officials, such as county supervisors or county city council members, they have been champions in encouraging sign ups within their own meetings and their own outreach events that they conduct within the county. We've seen a huge increase in subscribers and registrations when dignitaries and people that are leaders within their community, whether that is faith organizations to nonprofits, we see a lot of people signing up after an event that we've attended with a large audience that is supportive of that leader. So, we'll talk a little bit about multilingual alerts and the whole community approach that we have for the County Office of Emergency Management.

So, reaching at a diverse community is our number one priority within the county, because these are going to be communities that might not have the same type of resources that other communities might have. So, we really want to focus on them so they make sure that they are informed within the resources that they have within their community. So, as you know, Santa Clara County is very, very diverse. So, the messages have to overcome language barriers, whichever language that is. Our approach aligns with FEMA, so that's the Federal Emergency Management Association, or the federal government.

The whole community philosophy comes from them. So, striving to include everybody within messaging and communications is our goal, regardless of the language that they speak, or any type of disabilities that they may have, or their family members. So, when we talk about multilingual messaging, we provide our alert SEC messages in our major languages within our county. So we have five threshold languages in our county, which are English, Spanish, Chinese, Vietnamese, and Tagalog. So, we get this information from the voter registrar office and also from the census report.

So, we have, by law, we have to have 5% of a community that speaks that same language. We have to provide emergency alerts in that language. So, as I was saying, in alerts in multiple languages, when a life threatening incident occurs and authorities will send out an alert SEC message, we can send out an additional message or preferred language to that specific person. So we do have a new feature within alert SEC where you can have a preferred language, whether that is Spanish or English or any of our threshold languages, you will be sent that alert in your language that you know. So just to wrap up, and just a little bit of a call to action for community members and members of the board as well.

So why does this matter? So effective alert and warnings before, during, and after disasters are the cornerstone of public safety. So as we've seen in Los Angeles and different other crisis that happens in emergencies, alert and warning has been a huge issue in a lot of those situations. So, we really want to take those situations as case studies in the say, and understand what we could do better so we can better support our community, so that they have the information and the resources to be resilient. So,

the role of

the commission and the community leaders within all the cities, you know, and the Cupertino Public Safety Commission, you know, we really want and encourage you to amplify our messaging, whether that is Alert SCC, or that is our Prepare and Four Steps program, which is signing up for Alert SCC, building an emergency kit, preparing for an emergency, such as creating a family communications plan, and also helping family, friends, and neighbors. We really want to encourage as many people as possible to talk to other people about their emergency management plans. So, continued collaboration. We're going to continue to work with all of our jurisdictional partners, whether those are NGOs to any type of organizations within our community. We are going to connect with them and share our Alert and Morning strategies so that they, if they're asked in an outreach event or one of their meetings about the County Of Santa Clara's emergency alert system, they have those specific talking points and those call to actions.

So we do have a unified message within all of our jurisdictional partners, including our NGOs. So, in closing, I really urge everybody, if you've not been signed up for AlertSEC, to sign up at alertsec.org, and you will receive information around what kind of alerts that you will receive on your phone, landline, or email. So, we really want to encourage you to sign up for those alerts, because they can save lives around us. So, if there's any questions, I'm really happy to answer them, and thank you so much for having me.

Questions? I think you got some questions.

The, why is alert SCC an opt in? Why would it could would it be possible to make it more proximity cell tower based?

So, I would have to refer to my alert, and warning coordinator around that, but I do know that it is an opt in. We cannot force anybody to have emergency alerts. I know that it's different within, you know, say, you have an iPhone with an Amber Alerts. I'm not sure how that system works. However, I do know within alert systems, within emergency management, and just any type of emergency critical information, that has been an opt in kind of standard within the community.

Oh, sorry.

Go ahead, Doug.

One more question. Is Alert SCC on any other platforms like Instagram, or are there posts that are available on Facebook or X or something?

Yeah. Yeah. So so as the senior PIO and communications officer, my job is to really promote every type of resource in the county when it comes to emergency management. So we do post strategically, but very, very often, alert SEC the information about what it is, how to sign up, and the type of alerts that you will receive. So we include that in all of our press releases, in our call to action, and then we also have that on our website and social media as well.

So we have that information available and those graphics for our joint information system, so any PIO within the entire Bay Area region can access any of that messaging, which is also in our county threshold languages, plus graphics. So that is available. If they want to promote, they have that opportunity to do so as well.

Just to clarify, so alert SCC goes to phones, but the public information officers also use social media. So they so it's separate it's similar messaging, but, you know, there's different limitations to different things. So the alert SCC message itself does not necessarily go to Instagram, but the public information officers are still using those kinds of tools.

Exactly. So just for example, on our alert SEC message, that platform, we have a character limitation. So we only include the most relevant and critical information on that. Our character limit is very, very, very limited based upon if it's a WIA alert or if it's an SMS or if it's an email. So the email is always going to be linked to our excuse me. The website is always going to link to that email. So if we have if we can't send out all of those five threshold languages, we're going to always include a link within that alert SCC message so that community members can click that and then see that message in their own language.

I had a question. I was signed up for Alert SCC. While we were talking, I was checking, and it somehow disappeared. And I don't seem to get any alert SCC messages anymore. I do get them from Los Angeles and San Diego, whatever the equivalent is because my kids are there, but I don't seem to get anything from Santa Clara County. So is there something that I have to do to ensure that I constantly stay on top, or is that, you know, once you

Yeah. So that's really interesting because we've actually heard that kind of you know, not I wouldn't say a lot, but we've heard that kind of issue before within community members. So it's important for you to go in if you don't know if you're signed up or not, for you to go in and try to register. So it will bounce back to you if you've registered with that same email or password. You will get an a notification saying, hey. You're already signed up, you know, forgot password, you know, all of these kind of different options to be able to get you back on track. So if you are running into that issue, I would try to sign up again and see if you're prompted to reset your password.

Yes. I think my question was a little bit different in that I was signed up. And when I tried to I don't seem to be getting any messages. It clearly indicated I was signed up.

That I don't get any messages or weren't there any messages off late for me to be concerned about. So if that is the case and you've signed up, it could be possibly that there have not been any, I would say, alert SEC worthy messaging going out in that specific area. But if you are signed up, I can rest assured you will get those messages. If anything around you, if there's a disaster or a crisis or anything that needs action, you will get that message. So I would just double check, see if you can sign in again, and then double check your ZIP code. And if everything is okay, then I guess you've been safe this entire time.

Alright. Thanks.

Charles, one more question.

Yeah. What percentage of the county are have opted in to SEC? And then are there any specific goals, five year, ten year goals, or increasing those numbers? Or

Yeah. So I don't know those numbers right off of my head. I do know the last time I checked last month, there was about, I wanna say, 400,000 people signed up. I believe that's what the number was. But I will be able to give you guys that report so you guys can have a actual number of alert SEC scribe subscribers. And then we can also give you a report for alert SEC subscribers within Cupertino specifically. So you'll be able to know how many of your specific community members are signed up, and then you can kinda compare that to how many people aren't. And then can you repeat your second question if possible?

Do you have any specific goals for Numbers, five year, ten year goals?

Yes. So within our goals, those are all gonna be mostly our outreach. So that is gonna be our most kind of a fruitful type of way of getting emergency alert subscribers is outreach. So whenever we're talking to community members, we try to at least gain 50 subscribers per event minimum. So that is going to be making sure that we are introducing Alert SCC, explaining the importance of it, and then also aiding and supporting community members with signing up.

Because it's it's something that might be simple to one person, might not be to the other. So we really want to be cognizant and have that whole community approach to encouraging and showing the positivity of signing up for Alert SCC. So we do try to have at least 50 per event that we go out. And, of course, with social media, depending upon ads and stuff like that, our, subscriber, will increase, depending upon how many ads that we do that month.

Quick question. So, like, when you try to sign up for Alert SCC, it's like I think it should be shouldn't it just be as simple as, like, adding your address, your email, your phone number, that's it? Like, why is there a need for a username and, like, security question, password? Like Yeah. People have a lot of, like that's a big barrier for entry. Right? Because that's, like, one other password you have to remember. Like, even I have, like, a natural, like like, you know, like, repulsion, like, in setting another password and, like, security question. Right? Like, I guess, like, are there any thoughts on just simplifying the onboarding process?

Yeah. So we don't we're not necessarily in charge of how that the security of that platform. We are contracting out with Everbridge. So AlertSCC is our brand that we promote to our Santa Clara County members. And so if we are hearing anything from community members that might be it's difficult to sign up or any of the things that you've acknowledged, we, you know, we can go to that, our alert and warning coordinator and see if they can contact that vendor, Everbridge, to see if we can change those types of options.

I'm the public information officer in communications, so I'm not sure the the logistics of that process, but I can definitely reach out to my leadership team and also Jeff Walker, who is our emergency alert coordinator for our office, and see if we can kind of figure out how we can simplify that sign up process as well.

Yeah. Yeah. Because I think it's, like, it's already probably challenging enough for people to get to the website. And then once they're at the website, we need to make sure that it's, like, as easy and doesn't have, like, barriers of entry. Right? Yeah.

Like, it'll be good to

to make that change.

Actually, as a follow-up to that, do you have any kind of an app that I can maybe download? Because people are more comfortable downloading an app than to have to go to a website and remember all of this stuff. Because once you like, there's PulsePoint. Right? PulsePoint's an app, and I can go quickly and see what are the what are the issues in my area, if any. But

So I've been with the county for three and a half years now. So I know that about four to five years ago, there was an app, and there SEC was an app. From my knowledge of my previous leadership team, I've heard that it was not necessarily a success. I'm not sure the process of that, but I do know that there was an app at one point, and I'm not sure if what the issue was with that app, but it was not being sustainable for community members in a sense. So we found that alert SEC in getting a text message without downloading something was better.

That might have changed, but that's the last thing that I've heard about an app. We did try that in the past, but, within our leadership team, I just know that it wouldn't wasn't as successful as the text messages that we've had first, if that makes sense.

I have a suggestion. So when when so she was mentioning that she didn't get any alert, and eventually, she lost track of it. I I was checking my mail. I think the last email from 2024, I logged in. The last notification is from July 2024. I think no news is good news. Yeah. Right? But I think a periodic like a message saying that, hey, you know what? This is a test alert, like, once in

a year

or something. That way people don't forget totally all the test. It's very important communication system. So I think maybe something that I would recommend.

That's Yes. Nice. Sorry. Sorry to interrupt. Go ahead.

I was just saying that's a good idea. That's probably as you mentioned, I I think I have the app a few years ago, and for whatever reason, that went away. And now I don't go to the website, so I don't get a whole lot. And like you said, the last email was from July 2024, so

I completely forgot about it.

Yes. So I wanna just reiterate as well that our alerts for the county, we are not responsible for all of the cities within their, within any crisis or emergency that happens. So for example, if there is a, you know, some type of police activity and they're saying avoid the area, if that is going to be in Cupertino, that's going to be the city of Cupertino's job to send out that alert. We don't have the capacity at the county to send alerts based off of all 15 cities. So as I said, all 15 cities have access and the templates for Alert SEC to send in those types of instances.

So if you're getting something from alert, from Santa Clara County OEM, you will see on the bottom of the message sending agency, and you'll see kind of how frequent, you know, the city of Cupertino or county office of emergency management sends out their type of alerts. So, like I said in the presentation, we are supporting all of those 15 cities, including Cupertino, within that emergency alert system. And then so, if Cupertino cannot send out an alert in a timely manner, we have county communications, 911 to send out those alerts on behalf of those cities. So we have different, you know, strategic processes and processes to be able to get that messaging out in a timely manner and then the correct language to those specific community members as well.

So I have, like, two, you know, question and comments. You know, the first thing is in the thank you charts for this presentation. This is very, very important, you know, Saturdays, and we often, you know, don't ignore this kind of stuff and the message. But when the situation comes, it's extremely important. So so thank you for this.

So one logistical question. So some of the information that shared that the percentage of the pertinent residents who are, you know, opted for this or not, what is the, you know, subscription number currently, and the outreach in the part, you know, how much has happened. Like, for example, going to the different school or the different events, if we can if we need to increase or anything we can do from the except the commission here for that. So can you send us those reports via Martha to us? Then all the commissioners can take a look at that, and we can basically take something out of the the next step if we didn't production from our side.

And the other parties, they found the inputs that other commissioners are giving entry to barrier and all this being the ease of use and things like that. So if you send us a report, I mean, is there any way we can give this? I understood that you don't have all the answers, especially the technical answer, security, you know, concern and why it's not like and things like that. How we can channelize this, you know, our input? Is there any way if you can share those information to us? Maybe we can, you know, follow-up on that.

Definitely. So I have a whole kind of digital toolkit around alert SEC and emergency and alerts in general, specifically to our county. So I will be able to share that with Marta and anybody else that is available to showcase the type of messaging in all of our threshold languages with the accompanying graphics to visually show the importance of AlertSEC. So I can definitely get those materials to you, and then I can also give you some AlertSEC cards. So I actually revamped those cards about two a year and a half ago.

And so they have a QR code. It has a lot of great information, and they're in all of our county languages. So it's front and back within English and Spanish and then Chinese and Vietnamese, and then we also have a third one with Tagalog and then English as well. So I will give those to your Department of Emergency Management, and you guys will be able to use those at your outreach events to be able to promote that material.

Thank you. That'll be good. But beyond that promotion material, we wanted to know basically if we want to give some improvement feedbacks. For example, that, you know, why this is not a push, like, Amber Alert. Right? What it takes? Why this can't be as simple as just giving a phone number and automatically you'll get the message? Why, you know, it will be more than that? So who how we can tell, like, those feedbacks? If you can give those information, then we, you know, can share those.

Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. I will connect you with, you can also submit also on alertscc.org. On the bottom of the page, there is a report a concern option. So you can submit it either there. And then I'll also provide Marta with our alert and warning coordinator's email address so that he can actually go in and see what kind of, what possibilities and changes that we can make to that system. I don't manage that system. I'm more of the writer. And then so our team would be able to send those out strategically.

So he knows more of the technical aspect of that platform, so I can definitely connect you so you can submit your questions, any kind of concerns around how we can make it easier to, sign up for Alert SCC.

That would be helpful. Any other comment on this one that we can close?

If you would like to open for public comment.

Yes. Oh, public comment. Okay. So any public comment on this? Anyone?

We have no speakers in person and no hands raised on the Zoom chair.

Okay. So then so any other commissioner final comment before we close this? Alright. So then we can move to the next update then.

Thank you, Charles.

Thank you, everyone. Have a great night. Thank you, chair and vice chair members.

So our next agenda is reports. Right? So I think I have shared department report. Right?

I can

start it.

Let's go first.

It goes first.

Do you mind if he goes so he can take on?

Absolutely. Yes.

Captain, last time we were I think I can

Alright. Well, evening chair, vice chair, commissioners. At the request of the last meeting, you wanted some statistics regarding some of our traffic incidents in Cupertino. Additionally, you guys wanted some pedestrian safety tips. For this, I have detective Chad Viscardi with me today. He is a former motor officer in Cupertino. Did it for many many number of years. He's a member of our our STARS team, is our sheriff's traffic accident reconstruction specialist team. So he goes out to the major accidents and does a lot of the calculations and stuff like that. So I'm gonna turn it over to him, and we can talk about pedestrian safety.

Well, good evening, board. Detective Chad Descartes with the sheriff's office. As the captain explained, I've I've been here within the city of Cupertino. I'm very familiar. Spent the majority of my time at the sheriff's office here on the West Valley control where a lot of that has been in traffic. So I've tours on motorcycles where I've been out here responding to accidents, investigating crashes, and dealing with traffic complaints. But so we're gonna go ahead and go right into a presentation here. And towards the tail end of the presentation, I'm gonna go over some statistics as well. So if we can go on to the next slide. So just to give you a little, topics of what we're gonna cover, we're gonna go over some pedestrian safety tips.

These are generalizations. So this way, all pedestrians should be utilizing these typical tips whenever they're crossing or walking anywhere. We'll go into some driver safety tips. Same thing, similar concept dealing with specifically pedestrians as well as some citation statistics and accident statistics. Alright. So, traditionally, as a pedestrian, you want to make sure that you use crosswalks at intersections. Right? Because the why do you wanna do that? Well, that's where drivers expect to see you. Usually, at intersections where you're gonna find crosswalks, and drivers are expecting to see pedestrians crossing within those crosswalks.

That makes sense. Right? Also, as a pedestrian, you wanna make sure you waive and try to get some acknowledgment from the driver so that they see you. There's a lot of times that we have become so busy in life that we forget to pay attention at what we're doing, and we just make assumptions. Right? So always try to wave and see if you can grab their attention. Right? We make sure we wanna make sure that all of our pedestrians are bay obeying any signs or signals that are posted anywhere. Right? Whether that's the the walk sign, the don't walk sign, or just old standard signs that that are specific to pedestrians.

For example, no crossing. Right? There are some of those here in Cupertino, speaking of which there's some here on Stevens Creek so that people don't cross between De Anza College and this side of the road. Right? They have a big fence there, and there's a few signs posted there. Right? So we wanna make sure that pedestrians are going to the crosswalks where drivers are expecting to see pedestrians. You know, you would think, well, why why am I bringing up some of these things? Well, some of these things, unfortunately, I think we have to remind ourselves that we have to use common sense. Right?

Look both ways when you are entering the roadway. Right? And it and it's the reality of the world that we're in. People need to pay attention and just make sure that they are looking both ways. Right? Make sure that you're making eye contact with those drivers. Right? Not only are you gonna wave at people when you're crossing, you wanna make sure that you actually make eye contact with them to acknowledge that they see you. Right? Make sure you're staying visible at night.

Wearing reflective clothing or light clothing. If you're wearing all dark or all black clothing at night when its visibility is very hard, it's gonna be hard to see you. Right? So you wanna make sure you have reflective clothing or light colored clothing. You wanna avoid distractions.

Just like it's illegal to be using your cell phone when operating a motor vehicle, you should be paying attention when you're crossing the street and kind of following all those other guidelines that we just mentioned and not be on your phone when you're crossing the street. Right? And then, obviously, make sure that you're sober when you're out and about because drugs and alcohol inhibit our ability to make decisions safely. Right? So I it's these are just common things that as pedestrians, you should be paying attention to.

Right? Go on to the next page here. When you're interacting with traffic, you wanna watch for turning vehicles at intersections. Even if you have the right of way, make sure you're cautious. Don't always assume that that car sees you, and always assume that they don't. K? Be extra cautious in parking lots, right, and in driveways. When people are backing out, not all cars have backup cameras

still. K?

And not everybody owns a car that's new enough to where it has a backup camera. So always be cautious when you're in parking lots and when you're crossing through driveways. Always walk towards traffic. This way, you can always see the cars as they're approaching you, and you can see if something happens and that car appears, and you have time to react. Right? It's common knowledge that it takes the average person three quarters of a second to perceive something and three quarters of a second to react to it. Right? So that's about a second and a half Yeah. Just to have a reaction to something. Okay?

Make sure you try to stay as closest to the furthest edge of the roadway as possible. Right? If you're lingering closer into the road, more likelihood you potentially get hit by a car or a larger vehicle, right, especially when you have a driver that may not be paying attention. And just always remember pedestrians do not always have the right of way when on the road. Right?

And what I mean by that, under California law, neither party is automatically just not liable. Right? And what I mean by that, there are circumstances that have to come into account, when we do investigations where the pedestrian could be at fault that caused that accident or the driver is at fault and caused that accident. Right? So you can't always just assume, oh, I'm a pedestrian. I always have the right of way. Right? That's not how it works. Right? So it kinda just harps back to what I mentioned in in that previous slide. Always assume they don't see you. K? Try to get their attention. Make that eye contact wave. Right?

Movement is usually what catches their eye, right, and visibility. So that's what I'm talking about when it comes to pedestrian safety. Those are things that pedestrians can do. Now for drivers, drivers wanna make sure that they're always yielding to pedestrians within crosswalks. Right? When you have a pedestrian that is walking and they've already started walking prior to your approach, they now have the right of way, and drivers should know that they have that right of way. Right? And so you wanna let that pedestrian complete their cross and get all the way to the other side. Never pass or stop the vehicle that's at a crosswalk. Well, if that car stopped at that crosswalk, they're probably allowing somebody to cross.

And if you go around that stopped car, you have a likelihood of possibly hitting a pedestrian that's crossing. Obey school zones. Right? Whenever you're driving through a school zone, you wanna slow it down. Be aware that there's children present usually and that there's usually crosswalks and that are marked and unmarked where people may be crossing. K? Watch for unexpected movements, that kinda ties into the, you know, school zones as well. Kids are playing. They can step out on the road. You never know. And that's all ages, whether it's elementary, middle, or high school. Right? Children will be children. Avoid distractions even in the car. Right?

That's electronics, headphones. Right? Those are things that you need to be aware of as a driver so that you can make sure that you can hear somebody when you're approaching and entering the roadway. And don't always assume that that pedestrian sees you. Oh, I'm I'm close enough. They're not gonna step out. Right? Don't ever make that assumption as a driver because you never know what a pedestrian's gonna do. Right? You don't know if that person's possibly under the influence of something. Right? And they can't make proper judgment. Right? So always just be cautious that that pedestrian does not see you. Be cautious in poor visibility when you're driving through areas where it's not very well lit.

Just be aware that people do wear dark clothing, and it is sometimes hard to see them. Right? And then watch for pedestrians at driveways as well as in parking lots. Right? Be completely alert. Sure Make you're looking over your shoulder, looking out the back window, using your side mirrors if you have a backup camera, utilizing that backup camera whenever you're driving in the car. We move on to the next. I'm gonna go over some of the statistics here. So when it comes to citations, we haven't broken down here by the last three, years, including this year. Right?

So '23, '24, and '25. And, obviously, '25, we're not done yet. We're only through August statistics wise. But you can see the number of moving violations has increased, the past few years. And here in 2025, we're at 2,079 moving violations. And just to make sure that you you guys are aware, that's all of our patrol units. That's including our traffic units and the regular patrol units that we have. Okay? That's just here in the city of Cupertino. Our number of speeding citations that have been issued, you can see that that's gone up in the number of citations that we've been issuing.

And right now, we're currently at 1,179. Other citations, that's gonna be things like mechanical violations, not having insurance, things that are more correctable. It could be tinted windows. Not necessarily something that is a traffic hazard, but it's something where somebody needs to take care of the issue. It could be registration, things like that.

And those numbers are kinda here and there through the past few years currently at sitting at 1,712 for the year. Number of DUIs for 2025 is currently at eight. We haven't had any in the last two months. And the number of injury accidents for this, year so far is sixty four. So that you guys are aware and have an understanding, an injury accident can include just complaint of pain.

They may not have been transported to the hospital. They don't have any physical visible injuries. It's just they're complaining that their neck is sore. That is identified as an injury, k, all the way up to severe injuries. And then accidents where it was just property damage, the number of accidents, you you can actually see that there is somewhat of a correlation.

The number of citations have gone up, and therefore, the number of accidents have gone down. And you can see that right right now at the year, we're currently at 216, which is less than what we had in 2023 and 2024, at this point. And then the number of accidents that were as a result of somebody who was driving under the influence, we for the year, we are currently at seven. And here, we kinda have a breakdown of those accidents, by month for 2020, five. So total number of accidents, including everything, we're at 287.

But you can kinda see here how it's broken down. It's broken down by the number of injury accidents, property damage accidents, accidents where there was no detail, a bike versus a pedestrian type of accident, hit and run where there was an injury, hit and run where it's property damage, hit and run where there's no details, and then a DUI injury and DUI property damage.

Any

questions about the presentation or just anything else that I could possibly answer for you?

Data is really appreciated. Did get a copy of this presentation, Martha? Yes.

The presentations and reports are included

Okay. In the in the awesome. So the the pedestrians, they give the honorable citation, like, sometime.

They well, under current law, there is a moratorium on us citations. What I mean by that, their laws are still on

the book

in regards to we can still enforce those actions if the pedestrian almost causes an accident. But they put a moratorium on law enforcement any action for 10.

As long as there is no way.

They're they're doing a study currently, and that study is covering a ten year period. The law is still on the book.

They're still active.

But as law enforcement, we are not taking action

unless somebody almost causes an accident. And bike. How about bike? Bike citation.

Bicyclists can get citations.

And the night comes biking without reflect

They could be cited. Yes. They could be cited.

The well, one of the thing is that I think my observation, is that some of the busy areas, especially near big supermarkets like, you know, that area or the Safeway, you know, those kind of area. So what happens that lot of people go there for, you know, shopping stuff, grocery and all this. And the two red lights are so sparse in Bollinger or some of the streets. A lot of people just, you know, they go just across the street.

Maybe without without, like, pressing the button?

Button is pretty fast. People don't go that far.

Oh, you're saying just in the middle of the road.

That's in the middle of the road because the two red lights are so sparse. So but that there is a very busy, you know, supermarket there. So a lot of people just, you know, cross the street. They just watch and do this. Is there any possibility? Now how do we, like, canvise that if we put some, you know, this walkway or something? At least that is something to alert. Okay. Even if they're crossing, there's those, you know, and then the drivers also little bit get alert. Right? That we have to be really careful. It's not a freeze. It's too straight over there.

So what I would tell you in my experience, you can always add, like, a mid lot mid block crosswalk. Uh-huh. But here's the problem that you could have run into. Where are drivers looking for pedestrians at intersections? When you have a mid block

Mhmm.

Crosswalk, those usually just come out of the blue out of nowhere. And then so even with markings, even with signs, and even with reflectors, there's still likelihood that a driver could potentially not see anybody that's crossing. Yes. Right? Especially if it's not lit well. Yeah. Right? So you have potential issues with mid block crosswalks, whether they're marked. So it is an option. That's something that you can consider. Yeah. I would just I would tell you to on the side of caution

Yeah.

Because drivers don't look for pedestrians Yeah. In the middle of random straightaways. Yeah. They look for pedestrians at crosswalks, at intersections. Yeah. Because not only are cars crossing there

Totally. Yeah.

That's where they expect to see

pedestrians crossing.

You know, I'm saying personal experience. I live one of those, you know, close by areas. I know that every half an hour, will stay there, at least three people are violating them. And that's constantly happening. It's a real, you know, danger. And at least, you know, even if it gives, you know, it's a 10%, 20% benefit on alerting people still, I think it is really helpful. And and also other thing, because I saw that people, like, you know, let's say, they come and they want to, you know, go back. They just came from industrial, for example. They want to go back. They will take a very quick u-turn there.

And there's no camera there because they have to go, like, probably, you know, one to five miles to get a real, you know, u-turn. And, like, that's happening, like, every probably, you know, five minutes is happening. It's just very, very dangerous. So how do

We have the we have the email address that that that we have at the end of the presentation. Oh, great. You can email our traffic team for any traffic concerns. Oh. Easy. And and they'll do their best to Okay. To go off

this. So

there you it was on the back. So if you send an email, it'll get sent to the traffic unit.

And then And then they done. Right? Yeah.

They'll they'll go examine it. Yeah.

Yeah. I think the examination part is specific. Right? Is it really a problem or not?

Right? So what I can I can share is a lot of time that we get from residents is they say it's happening all day? Yeah. But we'll go out there, and it's not happening.

It's not happening that way.

There's specific time frames. I believe what they're telling us is true

Yeah.

A 100%. Yeah. But there's specific times. They just don't know those times.

Correct.

Yeah. So until we get those specific times where Yeah. I'll give you a perfect example. Yeah. We had a resident in Saratoga where they call, and they they complain to the safety board about a specific area on Quito Road and specifically for crossing the street where there's a crosswalk at an intersection. And so we went out there, and we went out during the specific time that they asked about, and it was very productive. We were out there. We were enforcing the rules. Reinforcing the It was effective. And and all the residents came out, and they they thanked us.

They said, thank you so much for being out here. You guys did such an amazing job. Traffic slowed down tremendously, and that was the biggest issue is that cars were just driving through Right. And ignoring the pedestrians. Yeah.

So so one of the thing that we get few emails, I think, that, you know, as the public safety commissioner, we get some emails from the residents about this traffic thing. Right? So at least I have not personally followed up, you know, or tried to reach out to the sheriff's office or anyone. So if we do that, Martha, and how do we do that? I mean, to reach we send the email directly to Sheriff's office for action or we are just to investigate or

Well, you you can always you

can always email us with some traffic concerns. Is there something you want us to come back to you guys with some more information that you I think we it's come from me because I don't want they'll they they will come to certain areas of concern depending upon staffing levels. And, if there's no accidents or anything else, they'll they'll target some areas. But, if you want specific enforcement on certain areas because of multiple complaints so there was a resident here last time complaining about Rainbow. We did some information on Rainbow, but there's only been three accidents there, and we've issued over 40 some odd citations or something like that in Rainbow. I mean, so

45 for the year just so.

And so we need to know exactly what is the concern, where is the concern, what times are the concerns Sure. So we can address

those specific.

So we we can directly contact you and email those whatever we hear and then Yeah. And take a look at it. And and my last question is on this sorry. I'm and I just got a bunch of questions to take the opportunity. The the cameras that we have in the city in a different way, for what I know that the responses, those camera right now You're

talking about the clock cameras or you're talking

about the No. No. The automatic They would have they would have cameras. Oh. That that that just

to make

a capture if somebody is doing a violation or things like that. Those are all No.

They they were outlawed a couple of years ago, and it wasn't until just recently that legislatures went through allowing, I think, five cities in the state of California there's a pilot. Yeah. It's a pilot program. San Jose is one of them. Los Angeles. It started again?

Yes. Oh,

San Jose. San Francisco. But they're only allowing these these certain city to do it right now.

Okay. But they're not Cupertino is not there.

No. They're

not San Jose, all the cameras right now active. Means you are saying

I believe so. Yeah. But there's only the laws are only allowing these certain cities in the city of California to do it right now.

It's Redwood City, I think, is one of them because I booked two tickets from them for making it right.

So the red light cameras are legal in California. The cameras that the captain is talking about is speed enforcement. Yeah. Speeders. Speeders. Speeders. Yeah. That is a pilot program that the state is doing, and it's only in certain cities.

You think camera red light camera is separate? Different?

Two different things.

Yeah. Different things.

So red light camera is not legal in the No.

Red light camera is legal. The other one is not.

Okay. Oh, that is legal.

Depending on the city that how they wanna enforce it. It's they're kinda hard to enforce because you're issuing a citation to the registered owner, not the driver of the vehicle.

So Okay. That's interesting. So, Cooper, you know, right now, they've liked and none of this is working. So I saw that we are at end of college, you know, all this camera and none of

this is gonna work. No.

Do we even look at I mean, do we look at the fee

or not?

I believe the office of emergency management has access to the fee, but I think and traffic engineers have access to the fee, but we do not. The county has a lot of very strict rules regarding surveillance use. Anytime we we, quote unquote, surveil on people, we have to we have to go get permission from the board supervisor. So we don't have access to those cameras.

And and if as a city, let's say, obviously, we think that is important for our city. How do we generalize this, our voice, you know, to is is it a state level thing? Or how

You're talking about for the speed cameras

or stuff like that?

It's a pilot program. I think they're gonna evaluate it in this in the several cities that are allowed, and then they might give options for the cities depending upon how it goes.

Okay. So our city didn't allow? Or

No. They they only allow I I think it's five or six different cities in the state of California. Those are the only ones allowed right now.

Thank you. Think that's all right.

One question, perhaps somewhat related. But on McClellan, I noticed there are two it's not, you know, like,

a camera,

but it lets you know what your speed is. Those are brand new, fairly new, I

are feedback signs. Feedback signs. Correct.

Just curious. Is that a I guess, obviously, that

was put up because there were a lot of people.

I mean, speed, I think,

is 25 there. So a lot

of people are probably speeding a lot. So we we don't put those up. This city puts those up. Is that right? Yes.

Yeah. I can speak to that. There was a neighborhood watch group who, over the course of, I think, three years, had meetings quite often and spoke with our transportation manager. They were concerned about speeding there. The department then did a traffic survey or study before any measures were put into place. One of the things that was specific about McLellan is it is used by emergency vehicles, so some options were slightly different.

It's it was very effective.

I see a lot of people soon as they see that speed slow down, I see a

lot of people start to break.

Yeah. Okay.

So I have one follow-up question. There was it's very interesting to see number of moving violations and speeding citations went up. So you're doing more, you know, you you're more around the area.

Well, a lot of that and, you know, it

it's subjective to a lot

of times the staffing levels, you know. And last year, we had some traffic officers that got injured. So Mhmm. They get off injury. We don't have we don't enough people. They're out in injury. Right now, we have a very robust traffic unit, and and they're they're very aggressive. Not aggressive, but they're they're they're go gettive. So, you know, and so it just depends. It it all depends sometimes on staffing.

Yeah. That kind of explains it because I see a lot more, trolling, so to speak. And I was like, oh, we got more

Our numbers are

slowly increasing. We went through a a little bit of, you know, a deep fun moment, and we we had lost some staff and personnel, but we're we're ramping up our numbers slowly.

Oh, excellent. Excellent. Yeah. I think this whole idea came up because of Rainbow having that issue with speeding. Okay.

First of all, thank you very much for the sheriff's office to put the patrol ongoing patrols and all the community engagement. So I'm hearing some of the concerns around the schools. I I have two other kids. One goes to Lincoln, one goes to Kennedy. So I interact with a lot of parents. They're they I'm hearing some concern around the safety around the schools. So is there any way you can increase the patrols? I used to see more officers, but I understand the staffing levels and all that.

It's it's a it's

a day to day thing with, our our our traffic team does make the effort. Not only just the traffic team, but school resource officers too that are out to make an effort to try to hit every school in some sort of a rotation. But when, you know, when we have dedicated requests for, like, on Rainbow or McClelland or something, you know, all of them will go someplace for that day. So we can't be everywhere in Calendly at one time. But they make their best. They kind of when they get these requests for different schools, they they make a list of it, they just go around and try to make sure that we hit every school at least at some point in time.

So I can give you an example. When I was on motors, which was only about three years ago when I was last on the bike and I worked in Cupertino, I had a rotation of the schools that I would go to. And if I was fortunate enough that I wasn't called to an accident or anything in the interim, whether it was in the morning or in the afternoon, I was able to time it where I could go to one school, be present and visible. If I have to take action, I would take action, And that should be mindful. When I'm at the school, I'm not there trying to write tickets.

I'm there to be visible to make sure that the parents that are driving through are paying attention. Right? Then I would go to the next school and so on and so forth. And on a good day, I can make if I was lucky and the timing worked out, I could make it to potentially three to four schools every morning or in the afternoon. But sometimes, I'm lucky if I could get to one school. So, like like the captain said, it it all depends on what's going on. If we have a specific complaint, that will take priority. We'll go deal with that complaint so that we can address it, and then we go back to our routine of, hey. Let's go to the school in the morning. Let's go to school in the afternoon.

So for the specific scenario, like, we can do you recommend writing an email, or how do we arrange to that?

Yeah. If there's a if there's a specific school and a specific time that you would like to take a look at, we can always address it. You know, it's it always depends on on calls for service. It's and we're busy. And a lot of times, we don't get the options to to kinda be visible or do enforcement, and we have to go from call to call to call to call. So it all depends on day to day operations.

Just as a suggestion, I live right close to Trinity and Lincoln. I've had this issue where if you set out during the school times, it's almost impossible to get through. I was wondering, can you make I mean, does is it in your jurisdiction or in something the city to sort of make it like a one way, whatever that road is, for a certain time. So that

Oh, you're about the center lane or something like that? Yeah. That would be something that the, like like, the city engineer the city engineer would have to get involved

or something. Yeah.

It would be

because Yeah. It's like I see some people just, you know especially on the side streets, they make a u-turn. There's a whole bunch of people that are waiting, and they never do it. They'll do a 16 turn, and everyone's, like, lost their mind.

Plus schools. I I got

the same complaint. I live in a dead end street, everybody parks their cars and drop off Yeah. Street, and it's a it's a common thing, unfortunately. You know

You should have school buses and solve this problem.

So part of

the problem with the area that you're referencing is the the schools were not designed to deal with Kids. As many kids, one. Two, the amount of car flow. Because if you

think about it to be walking to a

school. A lot of kids used to walk to school. They would ride their bikes. Right? Now you have every household has multiple cars. There's multiple cars on the roadway. Those roads were not designed for that amount of traffic. Right? And so that's part of the problem. There's just so much congestion in that one little area. The Yeah. The city has tried everything that they can do, and we do the best we can with them.

I think part of the problem is is this whole thing of, oh, you know, there's not enough people in the school district, so we're I mean, the schools, we're gonna school. For example, Ragnar that got closed down. Really, we didn't need that many kids in Lincoln. We could have them go to Ragnar.

Yeah. See. Have the problem.

I mean, definitely, this is the, you know, crux of the problem. Right?

Yeah.

CP was not designed to handle this many Right. And we are still building no. I was yesterday reading the reports of mayor, and there are at least 10 different projects with each of them with many options.

They already

Getting in out of the

So we're getting

more quick permission.

Sorry.

Business and planning permission business. So

No. No. No. We are we are not we are not criticizing that. We are saying that that that is the crux of the problem. Especially if you're saying that Right. The the problem is But the public

safety commission does not speak on planning. Yes. We speak on public safety. Of course. So if you could please Positive safety. Everything.

And I I think those are the main no. So so we need to basically directly communicate if we see and raise the concern on we need more help. Yes. Certainly. Yes. In

another area, when you all of the stuff that you presented is common sense, and we all know common sense is so not common, How do we get the people to pay attention to all of this stuff?

You have to that's a problem we can't solve.

That's not the thing. We'd love to

We just find something in some place where there's a problem and report it to you guys.

You We'll try to do our

best we can to

correct behavior. Yeah.

That is what it is. Sorry? No.

Send I them home for the evening. Alright.

Okay. Thanks.

Thank you.

Have a good day. Thanks. Thank you.

Thank you.

Alright. You guys have a good night.

Good night. You too.

Okay. Our Oral comment? Please. Oral oral comment. Right? It's a public public comment, right, right now.

We have no hands raised on Zoom and no speakers in.

So then we're gonna go with the next report or we can go with the fire department report now?

Thank you, commissioner. Wanted to say that I'll be reporting out for for July, the the month of July. The pretty much the same report and the same structure, so I'll I'll focus on one or two little items just to see if we can have a better understanding. It does deal with a lot of different things. So no significant events as I I said.

So, when it numbers Very first portion. We got the the total calls, basically, a cumulative number, through July. Right on track with about where we were. Just a little slightly lower, but I did know that, I did see some of the data. So it's it does taper off in the next report, which you'll be seeing next next time around.

So it, there's always a a little bit of an ebb and a flow. It was a pretty mild, last few months overall. The fire season started out a little slow, but it really picked up in the since, probably mid July, and and later. But it didn't affect our local units, and we were lucky enough not to get, too many fires and definitely none in in in Cupertino. But we did have Los Altos Hills, so was busier. So, for that, it was actually a pretty good month of July given that July 4 and all the other events, really did. I think the public messaging and then just people looking and being responsible kinda helped out for that. The number of incidents by month, that particular report essentially just kinda

rises up.

I really would say whatever if you see anything there that you'd like me to to focus on or try to dig in a little bit, I can. But that particular graphic, like I say, pretty much speaks for itself. Mhmm. One of the things about the on the lower left hand side, that's the incidence by incidence by hour. So, pretty much say the same type of thing because the call volume as people get on the roads.

I'll I'll just say that while the earlier conversation was going on, I thought, well, this is actually one of the things because law enforcement responds to the same things we do. It's traffic accidents, so you can see at 06:00 hour, things start to start rising. So they actually may be committed. So just like us, the the committed time, for that, four units would would impact, all public safety resources. So so that availability in order to do collateral things or doing other things, that would be desirable would be something that would also, enter into the equation.

But you can also see that. Once again, it just pretty much tracks because of the for that commute hour. And then the, dispatch incidents, by type, this is one that is actually a pretty good month for fire. The types of events, once again, are they're aggregators. They're put together in all types of fire.

So exterior you know, outside fires, interior fires, something that might be, in a food on the stove type of thing. So those get classified as the same type of, or these under this big category. Fire alarms, because the weather was pretty mild, usually, it's only when rain rain comes and things like that that sensors start going off, or there's other issues with the like, air handlers at commercial buildings. So those numbers are are are pretty pretty typical for us. And then once again, the EMS is the lion's share of what what we do.

And then two response time breakdowns. They talked a little bit about how this works and so that you get a understanding. If you have an opportunity to take a look at the gauge, essentially, the different metrics for all of these aren't listed here. And I would say if have a chance to go back, number five has the, what looked like the the gauge of the speedometer kind of style numbers. The one I'll be kind of I'll be focusing on tonight essentially is call processing.

So there's a when you see these and you see these average times, One of the things that you might notice is they don't actually add up to a 100% if you just put them together. So the call processing time here is the time that, it's it's measuring the time that the dispatcher is receiving information. At some point during that conversation, they're using this this algorithm while they gather information so they can determine who should go, well, where they should go and what they should be ready to do. So with that, at at some point in the conversation, way before they're through all the questions, they will send the fire apparatus or or even law enforcement, whoever needs to go. So they have enough info to to initiate action.

So this there is an overlap of of that call, the turnout time and the reflex time for the call processing time. So, it may take a couple of minutes for them to get through. If it's a cardiac event, there's a number of questions that they can ask because sometimes there'll be notifications to the hospital. So it's a pretty comprehensive. They call it the EMD or emergency medical dispatch, questions that that are also, identified in the in the in the have supported by supporting the the definitions of these different, metrics.

Then I will move on to the the next portion. That is the incident, by units, average response times within the Cupertino. So if look at the numbers and the average times, the average time units, you know, you have, basically three stations that are serving, but you have multiple units. You have a hazmat unit. You have a rescue. You have a tiller truck and a nice ladder with the two drivers

and a couple of

inch or a few engines. So a lot of resources focused here that are also, we also have a communication OES rig that that is dispatched and permanent out here. So for that, you'll see, those number of responses that engine 71 went out on above the average response. So you will be getting, once again, a number greater than a 100% if you added them up for Cupertino. But that's because truck 71, hazmat 72, and, even some of these engines may be going to the same event.

A structure fire requires several engines, truck, and or if there's a rescue response, you'll be getting hazmat 72 potentially, which I'll be reporting out on in a future meeting because we did have a hazmat event that, came up, last month. So that would explain why it's not like, why the numbers because there's, once again, an overlap. You have multiple responses. You can also see that in the in the oh, it's an old number. We used to have a a a report that that a table that showed all of the different responses that had that same same characteristic to it.

So it it added up to more than a 100. And then finally, community education and risk reduction. Currently, we have that 12 programs, in July with, 790 attendees. One of the things I'll I'll I'll urge you to, to attend if you have a chance Sure. Is well, CERT is good, and and and it's actually one that I would say ongoing throughout the year. If you have an opportunity to get involved and and participate with CERT, then absolutely please do that. We did have all of the Cupertino City leadership go through CERT this last month, so that was a great thing. And then with with that, you're gonna be seeing the wild and our WUI workshop starting to to wrap up. If you see one that's gonna be happening and you can

make it to those,

please do so. We do have some new changes that are coming to Cupertino because of the the file and interface back to you, which would, really create, not just the need, but the the benefit for the community. And that might be something that you may want to explore is, like, how do you educate the community to have a better The things that you can do, in order to increase opportunities to, like, protect your home and yourselves. So with that, I will wrap up. Anyone that has the ability to create a Firewise community?

Any questions? No.

Right. Yeah. I was recently in a Pismo page, and I had a public safety siren. So, like, at the wildfire, they were testing. I think it's a, like, possibly thing, but a very loud siren. Yeah. Although, like, I initially panicked, and then I realized everybody's stared, and I inquired, and I find figured it out. Is there any public safety siren or alert here similar to that?

This is the type that sounds it's on a tower, it sounds throughout the community. Those are, the civil defense sirens that you you know, the stop drop or the the duck and cover drills when we were kids that

go through.

Marsha, is there a is there a infrastructure for that? I don't think they're in use. I guess I can't recall hearing it in Cupertino, but I know in certain portions

that still I don't believe we have the infrastructure part of that is because, we have multiple hazards that can affect us in Cupertino. So for those who remember, the fire in Lahaina in Lahaina? In Hawaii, people went the wrong way when they heard the tone because they were used to hearing that tone for a tsunami and didn't realize that it was alerting them to a fire. So in the past, the city has looked at, some vendors that do a, a voice message over those. We were not convinced of their effectiveness.

And, again, Cupertino, we have, different language needs than, some of the other communities.

Oh, yeah. And I would say that it's probably as you as we evolve, the the probably the newer, solutions we have are the ones that are basically evolving to take the becoming a lot more, they're becoming a lot more specific, targeted, and they're becoming much more clear for as many people that they can reach. So that's why I would I would urge you to, the Alert SCC and then the Genesys. Those two tools together have an opportunity to to let you know exactly where to go.

What is Genesys?

Genesys, if you've heard Zonehaven before, the name changed. So it's basically an alert system that is has been deployed throughout. Cupertino does have zones. So you pick you log in, get the app, sign up, and pick your zone. So at that point, the message is know your zone, and you'll get, any kind of alert that might be appropriate for you.

For example, if there's an incident that has the potential for, an evacuation because of a of some kind of of a gas or spill, it will tell you for you in this zone, do this, and that's where you will also get information if the, event is a fire, evacuate or prepare. It could be an order or a warning. But if it's evacuate, it'll tell you which routes to either avoid or to use if you're in that area.

What is the app called?

Genesis. It's got a strange, it's got an unusual spelling. It's y s, I think.

Y s. Yeah.

Oh, okay. Because I'm coming up with the Hyundai ones. Yeah.

It's it's been, implemented throughout the West Valley cities. It is actually supposed to be throughout most of Santa Clara County, and it will actually, if you log in, you can go to multiple zones so that if you have a home somewhere else or if you have family members somewhere else, you can be getting the the notifications for them too.

Is this thing called Genesis Events? No.

That's a Protect. I believe it's Genesis Protect. It's got a a logo that's actually, I pulled it up.

In the follow-up email after this meeting

This is.

Thank you.

Yeah. Can I have a green black kinda circuit board look to it gen Genesys?

So, Martha, can I introduce a motion here, or we need to wait for next phase on the topic?

A motion for

Exploring the effectiveness of public safety siren system for the for the public safety commission to

study Subcommittee?

So what is the exact wording for the for the motion for the suck?

Basically, explore or study the effectiveness of of okay. Like, a citywide outdoor warning system silent.

Okay.

As I said before, staff did look into that.

So I mean, like, if if it is effective in some communities, very close to us, like, within four hours from us. Right? And I felt sometimes, though alerts come to form, I mean, there are too many alerts come to form. I mean, it's everything. My work, my personal life, everything is there. Sometimes I won't communicate to form. So, again, I I'm not biased on myself. So I think they they they must be a value in having a system like that. So I will I I would like our public safety commission to do some study and come back with the recommendation.

Well, one of the thing maybe you can do is that when is our next meeting?

Next November.

November. Right? So you said that there was a study and looked at it earlier. What was looked? What is the study? Where, you know, we can inhibit, know, help us to understand more.

We can we can discuss it in future agenda.

The future agenda is that that's another thing we can do because we don't know enough to really, you know, on this one what was done. Right? So I think that's another another way to look at it.

Okay.

So when I when we set a future agenda item, what happens from now to November? Nothing?

So if this with we can discuss it when we get to the future agenda items part of of the meeting.

So we cannot form a subcommittee? Is there any reason? I'm I'm trying to understand the process.

I'm I'm not saying we can't form a subcommittee, but the recommendation from the chair was that I bring the city's research and the reason why we did not find them effective.

So you will come up with the details for the next meeting.

Yes. And before the meeting also, if you can share some of this information, I emailed to the commissioners then you know, because I think the commissioner is saying that what we can do from now next two months so that we can at least understand study and understand, you know, what happened. So there will be on the next meeting with them. Any other comment? Any public comment? We

have no speakers in person and no hands raised on Zoom chair.

Okay. So then if there is no other comment, anybody has any other comment? Any other commission other in comment on the department? Then we can probably close this section. And our next topic is the commissioners and staff report, right, at the commission.

I'm I'm not seeing the staff and commission reports.

Yes. So at the beginning of the meeting during postponements, there was a typo in creating the agenda. So that has been added in from my motion.

Okay.

I've put a note to self to double check that that is there. Okay.

So so we do have the agenda.

Yes. It was not that's not that. Right. So

that is the next topic.

Next topic. Alright. So let's go to that.

I will try and

keep it

quick as usual. We do have a bit of volunteer activities coming up. Pairs has their monthly general meetings. CERT and Medical Reserve Corps will be providing first aid support at Bite Fest, which will be the twenty seventh. On the same day, the FRS and GMRS, those are the handhelds, radios will be doing a check-in across the city for all the reporting zones.

October 10, there is a medical treatment area exercise that we have some volunteers participating in. And, future first aid support will be at, the Gueley And Tournament Of Bands. The block leader program has their next meeting on, October 22 discussing the active transportation plan, and we'll have staff from the transportation department to come and talk about that. And then, we did have a block party grant issued and went through the whole process, and that was much smoother this time. So I'm I'm glad to say we had some bugs before, and we have addressed them.

Sorry. When is the PR submission? Can I start one?

I will look them up and get back to you. Right. So September is National Preparedness Month. There was a council proclamation declaring National Preparedness Month. We also have preparedness information go into the Cupertino scene.

A lot of that is based around the idea of make a plan, make a kit, get ready, stay informed. The scene is now all digital. If you would like, I can include a link to that in in the follow-up email. Alert SCC promotion is ongoing, And we're moving into fall, so we're starting to look at flooding preparedness. We had we had that rain earlier this week, but definitely took me by surprise.

So, as we get into those months, we're shifting, maybe away from preparing for fires and discussing, flooding and hazardous weather. That will be in partnership partnership with Valley Water. And finally, just as I do at every meeting, reminder to sign up for alert SCC and gov delivery. That is how the city sends out a lot of our information.

So one of the things that I have my phone is. I was stuck. We have the meeting minutes. Right? Can you can you share share by email also to all the commissioners? It's typically I saw the link goes into into the the website. And so little more detail to it and maybe, like, for easy reading. So that's honestly

for a standardized format. I don't control how the

It's a

It's a standardized format.

Standardized format. Yeah.

So we we can't

But our minutes are pretty light, I feel, in the information.

And Yes. So the city has action minutes because we record the meetings and have them online on YouTube.

So one of the thing that last week, lot of stuff we discussed, I mean, what I was trying to, you know, match with a lot of things we're not captured in very detail. And we if we don't follow-up on that, I think that's a little bit yeah. I feel like maybe one thing we can do with, like, this meeting from now on. Right? You know, once we send the meeting, is it okay to sanitize with the attendees, especially the commissioners? Can you do that? I think that way it should be sending points that'll some request. So everyone taking notes here. When I leave the actual meeting minutes to the city or site, it is pretty light. Okay.

Said a lot of things in your presentation. Had, like, four lines. Do you be able to give us the information that you put your notes or whatever? Is that already in the mean in the

Going forward, I can make the slides for me too.

Yeah. Yeah. That'll be because I'm looking at that, and the topics make sense, but the details behind it, like the bike fest or whatever, I had to get into into my head to write down. So it'd be easy if it's there so we can see. But thank you for the presentation.

Yeah. Thanks for the presentation. Any change in the process, Matto? I think I I typically used to get an agenda packet prior to meeting at least couple of days. I don't I don't see it.

That did go up.

Yeah. That did go?

Yeah.

Can you please check? I haven't received it.

It comes from the city of Cupertino.

Yeah. I only see on July 9 last month. I double checked it.

Are sure are I did I did not receive it this time either.

Oh, that's interesting. I will

I will see.

So I had to I had to go to, like, the registrar website. I'll pull it in there.

Okay. I'll speak to our IT team and see what's Yeah. I got it on Friday.

This is bad. Sorry.

Yeah. Well, interestingly, I'm looking at it, and it's addressed only to me. Yes.

We've mic by piece design. But

No. It says to. From city of Cupertino to Sachikalabegur. They I'm they're barely biased to me. I'm the only one who got it?

I I didn't receive it for this one.

Oh, cute. That's interesting. Yeah. So so Yeah. You'll have to follow-up, I guess.

Any other comment? You

had a comment? So so so I thought we during our last meeting, we had some action items. I don't see that in the agenda. We had added

That's Yeah.

That's the next one. That's the

No. No. Not the feature that's in the setting.

Some of this No. No. It's it's not prepaid, but when we started the meeting today Uh-huh. We added it verbally as a as

a Oh, okay. So I came late. So I missed Yeah.

You came late. You come late. That's why you missed that question. So so we're going to talk about Okay. Sorry.

Okay. Now I have

to speak. Alright. Sure. So any other question or comment on the staff report? Anybody has? Nope. Alright. Then

I think we can

Go ahead.

Ask the people.

Public comment. Yeah. Any public comment on the staff report?

We have no speakers in person and no hands raised on Zoom chair.

K. So then we can move to the next. So

the commissioner reports. So last meeting, the assignments were that chair Goss would study the sheriff's office recruitment and possible promotion of positions. Vice chair Ezraum would study how to streamline the process, especially in relation to ALGRs. Commissioner to study the procedure for the sheriff's office to close cases and increase transparency about the process. And commissioners to examine potential means of leveraging the block leader and neighborhood wash programs for aid based communication and engagement with the community. So who would like to go first?

Or yeah.

I guess I

can go first. Yeah.

So, yeah. So I I basically did some level of research on, like, how the procurement process appears to work, like, in terms of, like, how these, like, new tools and stuff get implemented. I think, like, the first thing that, like, seemed kind of evident was that it's not so, like, there are lots of, you could say, like, vendors and people, like, working on different tools. Like, Flock is one of them, and there's, like, a couple other people, like, working on tools and ideas for, you know, public safety and stuff. It's not readily clear, like, where they should take that.

Like, where like, there's no, like, singular portal where they can kind of, like, showcase. Like, here's, like, this thing that we made for, I don't know, like, some drone or something that can help monitor traffic. Like, if someone has an idea like that or has, like, a product or tool like that, there's no clear process for them to showcase that. There's definitely a process where, like, the or, like there's definitely a pull process where, like, if the government or the agency has heard about something or, like, knows exactly what they want, then they can, of course, go and reach out to that vendor. But there's no, upstream version of this.

Right? Like, there's no, like, central point where they can kind of, like, account square format explain what they do and how it might be useful. That was one thing. The second thing is, like, when it comes to, like, the review process, once a product is indeed, like, or tool is indeed, like, wanted and there's, like, mutual desire from both the vendor and the, government entity, it's like there seems to be, like, three right. Guess there's yeah.

I guess there's four entities who have to, like, sign off on, like, a terms of use, essentially. Right? It's like the, like, the so count like, county, like, the board of supervisors basically has, like, a, like, a in the case of, like, the flock stuff, they there's, like, a surveillance, like, terms acceptable, like, terms of use, basically, that, like, the sheriff's department has to, like, sign up has to, like, basically prove to them that, like, that they will obey, you know, the the policies and stuff. But it's it still was not clear, like, why that process takes so long. Because if the sheriff's department doesn't, then they're not gonna use the product.

So it's like, there should be some kind of, like, auto like, just like how we, you know, accept terms of service or something.

There be. There should be.

A similar process, I think, when it comes to procuring product. Because if it's breached, then it necessarily means the product can no longer be used, and there's gonna be, like, litigation and stuff. So I guess taking a look at yeah. I guess the the bottleneck to look at is, like, why it takes so long for, like, the board of supervisors to accept the sheriff's office's request of use, essentially, I think is, like, the real bottleneck. In terms of, like, next steps for this, like, I mean, let's call this, like, I could write a letter or something to the board of supervisors. Not totally sure

Mhmm.

What the next steps after that would be.

Now this will be yeah. Sounds like that's a good idea, and it is a different thing. We can together, we can push for it. Right? Yeah.

Like, we would Yeah.

Like, you would have to, like, make the case, basically.

Yeah. And and and in fact, we can have, you know, our city, you know, council members from through the mail, or so we can analyze. Right? That's Yeah. Should have said that we can for us, and we also can write on.

Yeah. And and I think, like,

one thing too that I also realized is, like, I guess one proof point that would help is if, like, there was a timeline of, like, how long each step took. Because I remember when we met, not the last meeting, but the meeting before that, there was, like, a discussion about, like, how there was, like, this back and forth. And so I guess having, like, time stamps on that would very clearly indicate, like, what exactly needs to be

adjusted, from,

like, a legislative point of view. And then we can, like, basically put together an email or something and send it off to the board of supervisors for recommendation, however that works.

Yeah.

So, like, yeah, I guess the call to action is, like, time stamps, if possible, on, like, when the, you know, like, the city signed off on something regarding LPR and then when the board of supervisors signed off on it, like, the full kind of, like, timeline, I guess, I think would be helpful to figure out what we can recommend to city and what we can recommend to county as, like, a good fix.

So anybody have any question or comment on this one? So one thing then we can do as a concrete because the idea was from the subcommittee, we did some concrete next step. So maybe this problem that you observed and common detection that you were saying is a good action. Like, one is that sending an email to understand why the approval process is this long it takes. Right?

And another thing you said there is how do you know there's a single place of portal, all that kind of technology resources rather than for these things to make the. Right. So maybe, you know, you can send the email to all the is it possible that we use this writing in a paper so that we all can get that information? It is, like, not just verbal there.

So

Because I have to take this to, you know, Mayor Smithing also so that I need to be very structured with this information.

So to avoid any issues with the Brown Act, vice chair, if you would like to write something up and send it to the chair to take Yeah.

Yeah. That's

to the mayor's meeting. And then I can send it out to all of you blind copy. You cannot send something.

Oh, that's fine. Yeah. That's fine. As long as, like, basically, you know, we all get the information. Whatever way it comes, I I don't mind, you know. I have really, you know, not read about that. So as long as every commissioner get to see a little form of what we are talking about here. And very clearly that, finally, this was the outcome, this was the problem, this is the observation, and this is what we decided. And then we're take some next step also this email or, you know, sending them. We all send email or, you know, or separately or we, you know, request may have to send also. So put those recommendation very clearly.

Yeah. And

what it is. Right? So Yeah. Yeah. Alright. So that's then this is okay. Now who is thinking to go next? Anybody?

You may stop it?

I can go.

Okay. Please go ahead.

So so my topic was really just to figure out, you know, what happens to this case? It was a black box device. You know, we file a case, and then sometimes the the patrol officer will say, you know, it'll happen. We'll find out what will happen, but nothing happens. And then people's houses have been burglarized or whatever. Their stuff has been lost, and there's no chance to get it back. So we had a conversation with sergeant detective Michael Lowe. Very, very eye opening conversation. I'm very glad we went through that process because that black box suddenly that transparency is really obvious. I've taken some action items, and I'll come to that in the end.

But, basically, what happens is that in a in a given case

So

simply putting it together just like what the flow is. So a crime is reported. The patrol officer comes out and writes down the initial report. Now they have that's put into the system down on on Monday mornings, and I'm very specific about losing the day. The detectives will look at all of these cases, and they will look at all of the evidence, and then assign it to everybody in their group. Now when I say group, it sounds like a huge big group. There's four of them. Four detectives for four cities. Cupertino, Los Altos, Saratoga, and Los Altos. Four detectives who respond

Four detectives assigned to West Valley. We have Okay. Like, 40 detectives all together.

In in behind. Yeah. But for this. Yeah. But for this. I'm I'm trying to explain actually Burglary. Yeah. But, yeah, I was just coming to that. Specifically for property property problems, property issues. So if it was, you know, whether it is house being burglarized, you lose your wallet that you've called, your identity check, or whatever, you lost your car. Everything that's property related goes to these four people. So they are dealing with 80 to 90 cases per person on any given time. So then they so then they will look at okay. So the detective will look at the report and say, okay. Do I have some video?

Do I have some footprints? Do I have any kind of DNA? Who can I interview? How do I get more information? At that point, they have to decide whether they have to be based on the evidence they have, whether they're gonna close the case, whether they're gonna pursue the case, whether they are going to do something else that they can follow-up in some way.

And the there are so many issues beyond this that it's really it's amazing to solve any cases at all, in my opinion. So for example, he gave us an example of, you know, what happened at the Apple Store where just bunch of guys came in, four or five of them came in. They went into the Apple Store. They took about 30% $30,000 worth of equipment. Now every 911 was called, the customers were all, you know, terrorized.

Everything happened. But one of the customers decided that they would go after these guys. And so in the process, they went and caught him. He escaped, but his glove remained. Now the glove was used for as DNA, but it took him two years.

So 2023, this thing happened in Apple Store, and it was on 2025 they couldn't get a name associated with that glove. Now you think, hey, you have the glove, you have the fingerprints, why not? But there is no one central database that they can go to. I know in the movies, the detective will just go type something very exciting. And then he gets a whole lot of information he's able to do clearly.

These guys don't have that situation. They have local databases they can get to. They do not have access to the federal databases. And both Sonali and I, when we were listening to this this whole conversation, we're like, there are so many startup ideas in this thing. Just the fact that they have so many databases that don't talk to each other is just mind boggling to be that tool in Silicon Valley. There should be a better way to do this step, but that is reality. So when they

That's the thing. Is it a technology problem?

Or It is a technology.

Issue that this agency does not share this agency.

No. The question is, there's probably all of the

above. Okay.

So, you know, whose jurisdiction is this? How much how much information do we give to the other? You know, there are so many things that are involved.

Perfect. If I'm if I'm just