City Council - Regular Meeting

[laughter] Just a bunch [clears throat] of early birds. Greta [music] trying to get in the car. She wanted the coaches. just got awkward. Yeah. [clears throat]

Very very young couple. They look like little baby. I don't think she's And then I don't know. They're not from [laughter] there. I know they had any other plates. Um,

I wouldn't know that. No, you won't know them. They're They're from another town. Okay. They were really really young.

They look Well, she looked down. here. You guys have a lot more people back there though. Oh, I already sir [clears throat] [clears throat]

for it. [laughter] I'm not going to walk you to jail. Take [clears throat] Can I? No, I just see where an agency they advertise officer sign up and they'll go to their house to the bar like this person might have and then officer that over here. What these guys, right? [laughter]

Your total bill is $500 and something.

Let's go. Where are we at? [laughter] I'm driving. [clears throat] [snorts]

That was the salary. That was the ordinance last year we went by. Okay. Basically 2000. [snorts]

Mhm. I feel like I just left every day. You haven't. [laughter] You have two days off though. So, [laughter]

sorry. [laughter] Sorry about your luck. [laughter] Easy. I actually [snorts] I mean, I don't think I I call the meeting to order. Roll call.

Mayor Crane here. Council member Copenhab here. Olser here. Easter here. Smith here. And Randles here. [snorts] N.

Okay. This is the but the salary ordinance hearing. I have the proposed LL has the proposed salary ordinances. Does anybody have any questions?

I know last year I brought up about uh about [snorts] something that we could tell what has changed if anything. uh if there's anything going on that we needed to know about and instead of doing I've never agreed with across the board but I I think each department should have some sort of reason why they're getting each each department's getting

that maybe you had some from um any department heads or any individuals that uh thought you know that their their increases should be at a certain standard. I I this is pretty much a cost of living for um you know everybody which was what's the percentage because the cost of living for next year is estimated I know uh between you know 2.8 8 and 3.1.

This is um for example um Jean and Tyler theirs would be about 3%. Um Casey's would be or Greg's would be about well Casey's would be about 2.8. Greg's would be a little bit more about 3.2 two 3.3 um Linda and Rhonda would be probably closer to four.

So it was about two grand for fulltime seniority seniority. Well, yeah. I mean, it's hard hard to say that we don't have longevity pay. So, it's uh you know, Lind and Rhonda have been here 42 43 years. And how long has it been since we have touched um fire pay? How um because I notic that didn't change here. Uh changed from last year. It's the same. Uh, it's the same as last year. Same as last year. It changed last year. It changed from the police chief did.

What's that? I think the police chief or the fire chief did. Yeah. But did firemen. Yeah. It Well, it was 400 the year before. Last year it was 500. This year 500. when we get when we get some that show up, you know, it's hard it's hard to judge. I mean, there's, you know, Jean and you know, Jean's been here what, seven years.

Okay. and his, you know, for for their work. Um, they're you, you know, they there's people that are making 40 to 50,000. Um, but that's, you know, it's one of those things. They [snorts] do a good job, but, you know, $4 to $50 an hour. You've been 40 $40 to $50 an hour. You knew you knew what I meant. [clears throat] So you considered journey? No. Not journey.

You don't have a card? No. They didn't do part of the labor paperwork for everybody else. Is it is that because uh of the increase we would have to be current with the lineman the journeyman lineman as a journeyman I I they're they're doing the job the the same job that you know well I know they're doing classes and they're they're you know yeah they're doing the same thing that Clint we're paying for classes you're you're not taking classes anymore are you

he's done. So, so if you decided you want to go somewhere else and you could make the $40 to $50 an hour as well. Yes. Well, that's kind of scary because Yeah. I mean, I hate to lose either one of those guys. I know. So, is is there a reason we can't uh bump Jean up to 40 and and then Tyler up to where he should be about 36 maybe? I um

And that's that's an average. That's the average for for what what they qualify for. Am I Am I right? Maybe maybe we could go do um have we got Ames salary ordinance in the last year? Well, we we put all of our stuff in, but I don't know that we've printed it off. I'd have to ask Shannon that

I've got some salary comparisons here from uh whatever website this is. Gateway for for here compared to like Beatersburg. So for two the year 2024 it had Gene at $79,554 Tyler at $77,000 $77. Uh Jeff Low of Beersburg $87,95 um Justin Williams Beersburg $84,583. I can tell you right now, Jeans, they're they're the two highest employees. They've made more money than anybody else in the city,

but that's because of time and on all the time being on call. Okay. But if it was just their regular salary, and I know that a lineman makes a lot more. That's because when they get called out, be reflective in those pays, right? Excuse me. I I assume so because I mean, if you're we're talking 34,000 or $34 an hour, that should only about a $70,000 Yeah. a year max salary.

So, I assume these others have overtime in them as well. I mean, I don't know how comparable the hours of overtime were worked, but I mean, you're looking at at least a six to $7,000 difference between here and the probably the average of Beersburg. Jeff Low is Jeff Low the superintendent. And then you have a guy in Rockville, 93,615. Brett Britain. [clears throat] Uh, Rockville was Brett Britain. That's a guy you said.

Yeah, he went to school with me. Graduated the same. And then I I had for Marshall two linemen $82,500 88,40. And then I I was also going to question the the just the 50 cent difference between it because it's a four-year apprentichip you serve. Yeah. And you're in your third year. Is that correct? And I'll tell you why that was because Tyler has what have you worked um 16 17 years 17 years for Amron through Amron 51 for for Amron themsself or for the tree

I was a contractor I was on forestry side but we worked hand okay so he's had all the safety you know more safety than what probably about as much safety as anybody else has. And uh that was one of our big things was how much did you make an hour for them? 3270. Okay. So he made 3270 two years ago. Three years ago almost three years ago. So you know he's not that much more than that [cough] over three years. So, and

a lot of those places have four guys, too. Yeah. Yeah. And we know Rockend, Pardon? I would take what I'm making now. I'll be fine with [clears throat] a superintendent. But because you're doing the scheduling and the actual job of a superintendent. Is that somebody else? [clears throat] Right. And you've never been on that. Well, it's not because he hasn't been offered the position, right, for superintendent, right? What's that?

You're you're doing it without the pay, but it's not because you haven't been offered the superintendent. You choose not to have that and would rather have a superintendent. I'd rather have a super in that position. Yeah. Especially since we're just down to two of you. Yeah. And and we do pay Dwayne how much I I don't know off top of my head. It's a safety. He does the safety classes and comes help. [clears throat] It's not a small amount, but it's not a huge amount of money.

Yeah. [snorts] He's the one that just trains, right? Come and train. He goes out and helps them. He's helped him on a couple or three projects. Helped on the school transformer and the three conversions out of town and the pole over here behind the buildings that caught on fire. I just with all the stuff we do. I mean from making lists for flags, Christmas decorations, that's easy stuff. Banners. Yeah.

Anything trees between the sidewalk and the street getting the high clearance on the streets. Getting the line clearance on the lines. Remove. Oh, I know. That's just

I I'm not against you guys or anything. I did it across the board because you're the highest paid employees. What? You know, I think Casey should be here. you know, I mean, he's he's he exceeds what, you know, for our size town, what most street superintendent or, you know, water superintendent, but, you know, it's, you know, we just add 40ome houses out here, silo, we're supposed to be adding 40 some more. Yeah. And we're still at two people. Where's this money? It's Yeah, we're getting making more money

and and and Casey did help out there some, right? Yeah. Yeah. I guess the point is that, you know, like I would like to see them up to where they're competitive where they're not going to go somewhere. They're not looking to go somewhere. I mean, I don't know their ages. a business, you know, then if you decided you wanted to change jobs and and leave, you have the qualifications to do that. So I don't absolutely somewhere Jean. No, I know that

Tyler, he loves us. I I think if Jean's done the schooling, I think we need to make sure the paperwork's filled out for him to get the journeyman's. I mean, that that's just the same as Is that up to going to school and getting out wouldn't do it? What? Clint said what? Clint said to do the paperwork. Who said that? Clint paperwork is all we need. Everybody he never said anything to me about that. I don't know. I keep I'm just saying but we just kept trying to get it like time I've never been about except me. Are you kidding me? Yeah.

No. [laughter] And it's up to us. Why would we not do that? Who has ever mentioned it? [clears throat] And and I'm sorry I do have another qu. So if we do this if we approve this for the third year at 3450 is that going to be set as a precedent for that level for a while because then you're still I mean I appreciate Tyler's experience for bumping that up. We would bump it up every year from 3450. Oh for a for a third year for a third year apprentichip.

Oh yeah. And so what about a fourth year apprentice because it's a four-year apprentichip, correct? Yeah. So you're I mean you're still only talking 50 cents difference between a journeyman and a third year. Well, that you know Well, that I mean that's what I'm asking. Is that going to set the precedent for that? No. Uh hourly rate? No. I don't know what did Clint not put down fourth year when he did it. I don't know. You never have that. Clint wrote it up be before before Jean was hired. He hired in at what 17 $18 an hour. So he's almost doubled.

But he's done the schooling as well. I went through a fivey year apprentichip. I started at like 30%. Yeah. And ended up at 100%. Yeah. And the difference between the fifth year for my apprentichip and a journeyman was 15%. Yeah. So that's I mean to me the 50 cents Oh, I I have no problem with that. It's just that you know I guess if it's a if everybody gets a you know we can't give everybody uh 20 20% raise.

You shouldn't have to. It should go by department. I mean, you know, these guys do something different than these guys in the office. I mean, it should not be all across the board because if you done that for years, now we're in a position we're in and it's and I know you said that it's working, but to me it's not working. Yeah, it's just not working. Um, somebody want to make that motion for what? Huh? that they think that they want want to raise Jean and Tyler up by classification or change their classification.

Are you talking about changing the pay for the classification? Yes. Change the hourly classification or the hourly pay which should be competitive. Yes. Yeah. Which is how much? Well, what's what's what's considered competitive? Competitive for the hourly pay. Don't go by the town size. Yeah. And that's probably Well, because I I would make a motion to make the wage.

Why Why don't we Why don't we do this? Because that I didn't know that, Jean. How how is it how is it gauged by the kilowatt hour sold? Yeah. [clears throat] Okay. And what else? That's just basically you're saying not by number by the number

which are should be increasingly pretty significantly if we're adding 80 some houses. Correct. which ours will increase significantly with the addition of approximately 8085 houses. It has to be it has to be rewritten. It it has to be passed by November 1st. Yeah. Saturday. Does it have to be advertised? No, it has to just be signed off on and we can't just amend it. Um, no, you can let me think. You can lower once it's been accepted. You can lower the amount. You cannot raise it, okay,

at all. So, if we're going to change it, we can go you can go in and pop those numbers into your computer, reprint, and then we can vote on it as such, but you're going to have to come up with what are you thinking these numbers need to be? And are you just talking about the electric department only? I mean, everybody else is everybody else. Yeah, I think we should be talking about each department anyway,

which goes back to the employee handbook and to Ry's point about doing evaluations. Um, if if we can do a performance bonus or something along those lines, I think that would be fair as well. And it wouldn't just be across the board. It would be based on performance. And it go on their base rate, not not a statement. [clears throat] It'd be on their base rate, right? It would it the base rate would change. So So are we looking at dollar amounts? Is that what we're looking at next? What to raise it up to?

Yeah. You're looking at your journeyman lineman at $35 an hour, which is we need to put we need to add a fourth year in there. fourth year. That's the problem. How you squeeze that in within the 50 cent range? You you adjust that.

You adjust the third year print lineman to $35 an hour. Are you a thirdyear Tyler? No, he's second. You're considered a second year. Okay. But we gota we gota give you, you know. Well, he makes more than $26 an hour, right? Yeah. I'm not gonna I mean, I don't know what your face rate is right now. I don't do payroll anymore, but I could go look. I thought he was at 34. He's at 3350. 3350 last year. Tyler said

no. No. Jean was at 34. Okay. So, he's 3350. 350 but because he had 16 17 years experience you know and I understand you know that I I get that but that's why I was asking if once we set this price or this wage for a third year apprentice is that set in stone for I mean you're not going to be able to go down in the future are you for that? No. So then and so then you got a third year 3450. We don't even have a fourth year on here and you have a journeyman only making 50 cents more in a third year. That's

I guess at a fourth year fourth year line you're going to have to decide what your ultimate goal is to pay him. I guess first what do you have to do? Do you know what we have to do to for the journeyman? I'd have to find I find out from Wayne. Okay. Okay. Yeah, just bring the paperwork in. I've never gotten anything. So, and then you Yeah, I don't think it was it was up to Did Clint even have a card? Did Clint have a card? I mean, I've worked under what, four superintendents now, and I've never seen any paperwork come through this ever in my life. I don't think they ever did. Club builder and Yeah. Yeah. Allen and

and a million of them. [laughter] I don't know. Did they go to class?

Okay. What if we set the journeyman at $40 an hour in the fourth year?

Is 30 38 out of the range on the fourth fourth year? I think it should be the third year is F36. That huge jump already from second to third. Yeah. Yeah.

And I have heard that other places do like a some sort of a fiveyear contract, you know, to to make sure we're keeping these guys. But if we're going to be competitive, I mean, we're going to be kept competitive with others. Then does the city pay for the schooling? I guess is another question. We do. Yes, we do. reimburse them for everything that THEY

How about we state 23 26 34 50 and 40 37th I take that motion. [clears throat] So you So Jean is a journeyman. Just Tyler's gone. Are you a Are you a journeyman?

Not until [laughter] [cough] I feel [laughter] like we've had this conversation before we get the paperwork done. Well, this is this doesn't go into effect till January 1st. So, you're going to have the paper for work done by then. Yeah. January 1st, 2026. We're working on 2026 now. So, we we don't need a motion yet. We just need the paper done. He's going to go change it on his computer real quick. But you're going to talk about other things first. So, don't do that yet. So

yeah, we don't need a motion for it until So we have the one in front of us all at once. Yeah, I I know the kind of work and training and everything else that these firemen do and I don't think 500 bucks even comes close to covering their own expenses.

No problem with that. BR because the budget is made out and it's been 400 for a long time. I mean, if we if we could get more people, it'd be great to pay them even more than, you know, but pay them more. But, you [clears throat] know, we had more of them. We paid I guarantee you the money isn't what's attracting or detracting them any right now. It's it's the service. But I I think they're they're paying out of pocket only expenses more than those.

They get they get a car stipen and they get a clothing stipen [snorts] when [clears throat] we run um the last week of December once a year and GR turns that in. Some of them only get 50% of the pay because they don't attend everything. Pay the full amount that they don't attend. And like if they're only if they quit three months in the closing allowance

it it's just the ordinance you guys are the new ordinance for city policies it's in there it's the same it's like 100 I think for car and maybe 200 for building it was 200 and 200

they don't seem to ever I mean Gar gets But the time that I don't know who's over fire, but as far as the council, but you could talk to them like if you have an amount for this year for clothing and salaries. You know, if there was they didn't have enough people to fulfill that amount, you know, Gar could make a recommendation that he feels maybe somebody did an, you know, a really good job showed up for everything and he could say pay them 200 more or 100 more or something like that. He just has to listen to Carol because there's a there's an amount in there. And Randy was asking about the talking about the money across the board, just a flat dollar amount, 7%.

And he was saying the cost of living's going to be two to what, two%. Looking at these numbers, Shannon and Scott are only like 1% increase. No, they're more than that. Uh, going from 695 to 715, it's 1.03%. by 2000 by 695. post. I'm sorry.

2.8. Sorry, I did that wrong.

I'm sick. Sorry. In the range. It's okay. [clears throat] Even when we talked about our police department last year, I know big, but we got some money. I know everybody, but then they moved up. We moved got a little bigger. Here's the way it is, Randy. So, we got we can't compare to the counties.

No, but we are the highest paid city. I believe uh our size Adica makes more. Yeah, but ours Why is that? I mean, aren't we are are we population? They're slightly They're less than 10%. They're big. They're they're probably I don't know what they listed at now. 3300 3,200 3,300 that's about they're about 10% we're 26 27 okay so and like other like you you can't compare like Petersburg and they're [snorts] totally different service

yeah they are 24 hours then they got that questionable town I will [laughter] bang on the Based on the way that we're doing it there does rate I mean doesn't for these two it keeps them right in the range from a percentage standpoint of living it would above that because of dollar figured into That wasated.

Oh, well, yeah. I mean, because you're you're forecasting forward. So, yeah, of course it is. It's about three and a half to 3.6 on about everybody else. Is it anywhere in our future that we could do by department or I know I mean you know the come [clears throat] down to what Senate Bill one does next year

as far as the you know their property t they're talking about property tax reform. about it while Senate Bill One. Yeah. And property tax reform in general.

So, um I know it's still going to be the topic of issue for legislation for next session. Um the governor did call a special session for redistricting. I think it's going to take place on Monday next week. I don't know if they're going to address property tax reform in that special session or not. But um the concern everywhere is the reduction in funds coming into local government whether it's city or county but it's not effect until 2027 right and so with the budget next [clears throat] year and as we are considering all of this

basis and everything it's very dependent too upon property tax reform that is session And there's there's no clearing. Yeah. Property taxes theft. So he he may want us to try and adopt a local income tax to make up for, you know, additional wheel tax or something, you know. So I understand that's done at a at a county level at this point, isn't it? Because the size of our community. It is now, but they're talking about community. is kind of putting true but I think that has the onus on us

I think right now that has to be passed at a county level no it well what he's talking about on Senate Bill one is that we would adopt it that the municipality would adopt it cities and towns would adopt [snorts] it's going to it could get messy and if they do what you know Larry Grant Attica called me he said he'd been told that it's going to cost him $1.2 2 million. Well, if it costs us$1.2 million, Shannon Scott and the others be, you know, what? Are you saying

you're going to be working 24 hours a day, seven days a week? [laughter] They can't do that to us surely, but that's what they're talking about. Yeah, that'll be awful. That'll hit the estate before it happens. Yeah. So,

well, and that's the ups because you know, property owners don't want to pay the government rent to live in their housing, but that's how they fund. So really the only ones that are really upset about the property tax reform or you know doing away with property tax are the elected officials and the people who work for the cities and the counties and so the schools they'll suffer too. They will lose money so it'll be it'll be hard. They've got to find something to make it up. So,

well, that's not going to affect next year. It certainly will the year after. We've got to get answers to that. It won't affect this next year. It'll be 2027, but it should be on our radar so that we can prepare for the future. Yeah. But we may we may have a long discussion before budget next year depending on what gets handled. Depending on what they do, what we'll know. Yeah. And I and I know a lot of cities and counties are already trimming budgets in preparation for 2027.

So [snorts] in season, how many hours a week are you spending? Well, I can give you last year's which that pay is about $649. But you know, I didn't say anything even even at 40 hours a week that puts him down underneath the class D employee, which $500 tax,

but that didn't that didn't hurt the work that he's doing. Well, if you had help, it would be better because you can't work 60 hours a week. You you didn't have to pay anybody part-time last year or this year. And my suggestion was if if that was supposed to go to the part-time guy, I'll just take that, too. You just said yes. [laughter] That's what I heard. one way to handle

that didn't exactly work that way. Well, I was putting in time and a half making time. So, anyway, I I'm I'm not going to complain about it and I I'm pretty sure if you know if it comes up I we'll do it one more year down there. But it would sure be nice to have some help other than people that don't want to go there, which is the What am I thinking? Oh, they don't want to work. They they don't want to be there and you can't you just like Well, and to pay him weekly and to pay an assistant who there's no telling how many hours they'll ever have pay them

annually, that doesn't even you need to have two people when you're going out on the trail, you should have two people doing it. That classification that that assistant classification either needs years. Yeah. Since Donnie Crowder and Camila did it, but he need he needs help. He's busting his ass. And our equipment's taking the price. So, yeah.

Trickle down, too. as [laughter] I bring more bills to live and she's like, "What the hell are you doing to our equipment?" So, yeah, I appreciate that, but it's it's whatever. Of course, I can't I can't vote on that anyway, but per year. I think it's around 15 15 135 or 15 in season at the park.

It's probably 14. That's what 14 14 15. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you see anything else? If you're going to go in and clean it all up on the computer, if you would. the whole bit there with the uh the electrical department [clears throat] because the others start from the high and then go down and that one goes starts the low and then goes up. If you could just flip it. Say that again.

Like here starts on the high dollar figure and then comes down. But when you get to the electrician go the other direction. Mhm.

You just flip it. If you're going to go in and reour any retighten Oh. just to be consistent. Does anybody have anything else? November 3rd

going to present both ways. You guys will vote on which one you want. [laughter] It's this time of year. Hell no. It's this time of year. This This time of year is hard. There's usually about four. Yeah. because she's got she's got mandated deadline, but we're going to have to decide soccer team. We wrote it up as presented last time with the $100 and $25 per team or not a time tournament and includes softball, baseball, soccer, and we wrote it up as just $100. That's it without the $25 per team. Giving you both options. That way you can vote on the tree. What is it?

What is it? What? We don't know. What is it? What is the percentage of the raise? What did we get? You got a $2,000 raise. Okay. So, you guys are figuring Okay. Well, $2,000 2000. Yeah, we're trying to see. We didn't want to short you, [laughter] but all the class every classification that you've got moved up by that dollar figure.

So each classification. Yes. For those people on hourly, it adjusted the fire by hours because it's roughly 2,000 hours a year for full-time employee.

Any other questions? [laughter] I just don't know what we're talking about. Once I sign it, I'll give it a copy to y'all tomorrow. Any concerns?

But I I mean, don't understand the economy and all that good stuff. And that's the issues that we're going to have the same issues that add for a while. We're just going to be a recycle place. Um I remember we talked about um signing a contract with with them to stay on for that begins. I believe we start doing that this year. [clears throat] Okay. And if they like we kind of thought we were going to lose an officer that had just gone through the academy and that person that hired him would had to had to have paid the city back for his um schooling. So I mean in honesty but now we need contracts for new

hire time something nice for Taylor write something contract. Yeah. When and we should follow through with that especially next year when everything goes into effectuary. Yeah. So he's got plenty of time to write it. Well, [snorts] I mean that's good.

Yeah, because I showed you that from the last treasure school where that became in effect for the police departments where you could make the contracts and up to three years whoever hires them. But if you sign a contract for more than three years, they can't leave here. And could we get that stuff to Taylor so we can get on it the next meeting? [clears throat] If if you don't mind, if you need help, let me know. [snorts] So really they're not planning on hiring anybody besides just having two of them.

Well, they put an ad out for a long time and nobody ever was qualified or kind of I don't know didn't want it for the pay. I mean most of them want hundreds of thousands a year to come to be a superintendent wanted it but you didn't give it to him. Who? But wasn't there a reason? Wasn't there a reason it was something about illness with his I don't know his wife was need to take care of like he said he had to leave a lot

or I think he had that job because he was close. I was thinking there was I know Todd Hi reached out to me at one time and I don't know I think he came in and talked to you guys. I think he filled out an application. Yeah.

Thank you. I'm not very prepared situation over here. I don't have my actual council folder.

It probably [laughter] look Otherwise the only discussion time so when we get to here it's already that's the problem. Yeah, we got to start discussing that like in August.

The only thing you can do is move somebody around with a classification. [laughter]

I concur. before she became clerk again. If they hired somebody, they were making the same money as she was worth 30 years until they came up with.

I just printed off three. Make sure it looks like 247 37 accordingly. The only thing you guys will have to do is let us know what years you are because we don't know. I mean, Shannon won't know when you become a third year, you know. I mean, you're he's getting paid as a third year. Third year now. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Just find out tomorrow who where that paperwork comes from and bring it in for Well, he's going to get paid as a third year now. Yeah. Same as you have, right? You'll be a third year, right? [laughter] Okay. Okay. I'll make that motion. I second it. Okay. Randy, yes. Brad, Kathy, yes. Yes. Sorry. Yes. Yes.

Motion passes by. Not really. Is that one of the three?

Oh yeah. Sorry. That's confusing with another paper. I need the tops. Whoever has the tops best. need to sign those.

My dad. My dad. He when I was in college tomorrow

you got the two other professor tried to throw him out of school because he said that anybody that wrote that bad drunk when he took that exam Cooper. I don't think so.

I didn't make any changes to the elected officials. This is the elected official one. It's no changes from last year. The mayor, the council members, per council member, and myself. I just need a motion. So move. Second. Second. Sandy? Yes. Brad? Yes. Kathy? Yes. Chad? Yes. Paula? Yes. Motion passes. 5

202513. And 202514 is just how we each department is paid.

Thank you. Okay. Give me a second. Give me a second. I'll second. Paul, yes. Chad, yes. Kathy, yes. Brad, yes.

Randy, pass. You just put it right there on top of your folder. They're probably all mixed up, but it's fine. I'll separate them tomorrow. Okay. My signature gets worse and worse the more I sign. [laughter] Yeah,

thank Thank you all. Meetings adjourned. Next Monday night, 6 o'clock. Next Monday. See you next week. 6 o' [laughter] That should be while maybe you never know. See you guys. See you. Turn off your mic.