City Council - Regular Meeting

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good to vote. You are vote. Well, your guess is as good as mine. He asked if he's good to vote on anything and I said, "Yeah, he's been sworn in." Then we'll close the budget once you guys motion to accept the budget as I [Music] had a budget meeting public hearing. Nobody showed up and it's not much different. Okay. They pretty much tell you Yes. Right. You only have the TLG.

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You ready? Like to call the meeting to order. Cington City Council Lind, you have a roll call. Mayor Crane here. Council member Copenhaver here. Bzer here. Easter. Smith here, Randles here, and attorney Pal. At this time, we're going to open the budget adoption hearing.

Does anybody have any questions? I need a motion. I make a motion to go ahead and pass the ordinance resolution for appropriations and tax rates. It's ordinance 2025-8. Do I have a second? I second. Andy, yes. Brad, yes. Kathy, yes. Chad. Yes.

Paul, yes. Motion passes. 50.

At this time, I'd like to close the hearing and we'll open the regular council meeting. First thing we have is a truck um 2025 U Chevy for the wastewater treatment department be purchased at Clark Chevrolet. $42,000 and uh less $1,000 for the 2009 Ford, which has significant issues in the transmission and other things. Does anybody have any questions? Not, I need a motion. motion.

Okay. Paula, yes. Chad, yes. Kathy, yes. Brad, yes.

Randy. Motion passes. 50. Purchase the truck. We took bids on a street electric building. um new building for our city um departments to be uh built where the old jail is. Um it'll replace the building that they're in now and it'll be used for cold storage and we will uh it'll replace the electric building. It'll be used for storage. We got one one bid. The price was $814,000. The architect had estimated it would be at 985,000. Everything was in order with the bid. I have a motion on this building.

I make a motion. Okay, I'll second. Okay, Randy. No. Brad, yes. Kathy, yes. Chad, yes. Paula, yes. Motion passes 4 to one.

And I have ordinance 2025-9 amending ordinance 2020-2. And this is the ordinance um saying a residents may have no more than two trash bins. Each trash bin shall include a monthly charge of $18 excluding residential apartments, duplexes exceeding four units, and shall be fully assessed on the utility bill for the residents. That's the only difference in it. So, do I have a motion on that?

Sorry, I heard one. What? What did it amend? 2020-2. I'm sorry. What language was amended? The $18. The $18. Oh, the fee was changed. Yes, I see. Yeah. Are you looking for a motion? Yes. I have a second. Okay. Paula, yes. Chad, yes. Kathy, yes. Brad, yes. Randy,

yes. Motion passes. 50. Do I have any additions or corrections to the minutes from the last meeting? Yes, I've got a correction. It was written in there that uh the ghost block we asked for the streets to be closed off because food trucks would be there. That was not the case. That some other businesses would be there doing trunk or treat, not food trucks. So there will be no food trucks there. That's my knowledge.

Okay. Right.

Change that. I will. Okay. I think the minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um sign those mark marked by your name.

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building building.

No. [Music] Is there another budget down there? [Music] the same apartment. Jean, what do you have tonight? Oh, I was just we got our trailer Friday. It makes life a lot easier once you actually see it. Makes our lives.

You did a good job. You you and Tyler did great. Okay, Casey, we are flushing hydrants on the 15th of October and start pick up on the 20th of

Greg. [Music] Okay. Bart.

Um, a few things. We got um, obviously we still got classes going on for our instructor instructor classes um, being held and we are starting to get a list from the state for the new burn box. There's several. It seems like it grows every day. I think we're going to need um one thing we definitely will need a lot of throughout the all the burns pallets and OSP. Um we are going to convert the old ConX box up there into storage where we can put OSB and straw in there. Uh we'll need 55 gallon barrels. Um a shelter. Um I have to have just miscellaneous hand tools or stuff. Like I said, we're we're working on getting a list um from the state on that. Uh biggest thing though we are glad to have is our cascade system. Uh which that's what our fourth of July fundraiser was for which um wasn't a very good year. So I mean we do have money set aside for that build a new one. Um we're looking into some other funding on that too, but um we will have to have we might have to come up with something on that for too long too. Um the state I mean the state does have one but obviously it's just one throughout the whole state and obviously several chances of getting that when we need it. It's going to be slim,

right? So, like I said, I mean, we our old one will work temporarily. So, let's say we can get our new one built. So, I think there's nothing else I can I think Danville Fire has one. We can probably use reach out to Brian Allison on that and see. Okay. Um, when are they coming to put the boxes in?

I haven't I haven't heard yet. So, contact will go to John. He was here last week and done inspection on the site. I didn't I didn't pay any attention today. I know the weekend. It'll be done this week. Okay. I mean, I knew it was in the process. Um, that that's really really about it. Okay. All right. Thanks, Bart. Shannon, um nothing but um keeping our normal hours for trick or treat or trick-or-treating 6 to8.

Yes, I have. Okay. Okay. At this time, is anybody here for anything other than ebikes on the trail or motorized vehicles on the trail? Yeah, Bob. Yeah. I wanted start talking about the issue from last meeting about the week, but I can wait till you're done because there's a lot of people here. Yeah.

Yeah. I didn't know you were coming tonight about that. And I'll just say I've pulled the city ordinances to look and see where we're at. And so I would like to get together with you outside of it and look to see how they're currently written. And if anybody else has any input or feedback for the soccer league, little league, girls softball, baseball, whatever, um please get with me and I would like to have your input and ideas and everything so that it would be beneficial to our children. And so was the 19 ordinance ever located that changed the 17 ordinance? No, it was just voted on. Correct.

It was just that they did the 25. I'd be more than happy to get with you and go over it. Did you get clarification on the concession stand? Who's responsible for that? Um, some of that is in the 2017 ordinance, I believe. Inside fences. Yes. Yeah. So, anyway, at this time, I'm going to let Shannon talk first and explain what brought all this about. You want to pick up first?

No, you go. Right. go right over to the podium and the microphone's on. It's not not a mic. Just get the get the microphone and set it up there. There you go.

So, basically the reason why we got where we're at with the ordinance is because you the public, the issues that we've been having with the electric bikes on the streets is basically where it started. As that went along, Brad's council meetings coming up to me and asking what we can do about it. But as far as the streets go, electric bikes is considered a bicycle on the streets. And then come along with the problems that we're having on the trail in general with golf carts, side by sides, vehicles literally being on that trail. So the pressure from the community, pressure from the board and Brad about getting this under control, we were unable to enforce it. We did not have an ordinance. So I wrote an ordinance on it. It's was pretty black and white. I wanted to make as transparent as possible. So, with that being said, the first ordinance that was presented, I don't know if anybody not to see where it was at with the first one, was basically ordinance broken down is there's no fee, no motorized vehicles on the walking trail, which includes ATVs, UTVs, motorcycles, golf carts. I did have it written as class three electric bikes due to the speeds of electric bicycles. Um, which would result in a $250 fine. The way I'm way I look at it, there is no reason to have a motorized vehicle on that trail for the safety of our kids, pedestrians, everything on that. There's just no reason to have any motorized vehicles. So, I wanted to set it at a good enough fine what would happen if they uh put it. Um where I said it may be impounded. There's been a lot of speculations that

we're just going to confiscate. You know, there's a lot of other things that come in where you may be impounded. Kids that are driving golf carts that are under age got to have license driving. somebody who's drinking, driving, stuff like that. So, it may be impounded. We're not just going to go out there and tow vehicles and confiscate them for no other reason. Um any damages, which was brought up on that ordinance, that um you're out there with a UTV or something, you're being stupid and you tear up the trailer, you're going to be responsible for replacing it. So in the exemptions, the first one that was written up don't exemptions to the ordinance, the first one was brought up was uh medical mobility devices, wheelchair, scooters, police, fire, and EMS and the groundskeepers doing their regular duties. So they that was tabled that was tabled for two weeks for the meeting so the board could sit there and review the situations of it. Um, you see it was up to up to what they thought was okay. We did take the mo uh mobility devices out, wheelchair scooters because of the word scooters. We think a lot of people would um see that as riding on a standup scooter and we know that's not. But we know as law enforcement ADA rules you if somebody's out there in electric wheelchair, we're not going to press charges. elderly person on a rascal or hover around or whatever you want to call them. They could be out there. We're not going to face that. So, with that being said, there was speculations of they didn't want know some was brought up, not all that might not want electric bicycles out there. So, I presented two at the next meeting. one basically the same way this was written only without the medical mobility devices because we

know better than go out or anything like that and then one one with no electric bikes. Council thought it was the best decision not to have any electric bicycles on there. Um so if any of you have anything that you want to talk to them about, maybe change your minds or your concerns, they're the ones that bring it up. But my there's there's no reason to have any any motor vehicles out there. I mean, honestly, if we do have a golf cart vehicle side by side and you guys create an incident out there, we're going to press charges on you guys for neighborhoods. That's just there's no need for it out there. And plus, we're trying to keep the trail up to date and keep it nice for those people on it. So also and I know there's a lot of people that says that they are bicycles beginning code title 9 motor vehicles does state that unless otherwise specified by a state statute rule or local ordinance, a class one or class two electric bicycle may be operated on a bicycle path unless there's a local ordinance that's passed. they passed it. So, I guess if you guys have any questions or thoughts on it that might change their mind about the safety of electric bicycles being out there with walkers and regular bicyclists, I'd say might want to talk to these guys and bring it up to their attentions and change minds.

Thanks. I just want to say 22 years ago when Ernie Johannis, the co the executive director of the Covington Community Foundation, um I was applying for a grant um to renovate the downtown sidewalks, streets, which we were successful in getting. Uh he got a grant that same year. I showed him where he could get the money and actually I went and accepted the grant on my 50th birthday in Terode at the federal courthouse. His his intention from the very beginning was for physical exercise. I that's that's what I can tell you and that's that was the the that's why he did the thing bicycling and walking and jogging. Dale White is with us tonight, the executive director who succeeded. Ernie, Dale, would you like to talk next?

I think I just listened. Okay.

The community foundation has been the developer of the trail. We don't manage it. We don't write ordinances. We don't propose fines. We're an organization who does scholarships and we grant things to the community. We award grant and so the trail is one of our gifts to the community, one of our largest ones. And so it's become a partnership between the city and the community foundation. We'll go 50/50. If they need u some maintenance work taken care of on trail, if they need equipment for the trail, we often go 5050 with them on that. We kind of look to them for guidance and direction on on what's what's happening in regards to the trail. So, we take no stance at the moment other than what Brad said. Originally, the trail was to be a it was actually the Department of Transportation grant. And the reason why the city got the grant is that it wasn't to build roads. It was to build walking paths and bicycle trails. That was the purpose of it. And so, That's kind of the little bit of the history of the trails and I'm just here just to community citizen are in regards to the trail. We have no as the agency we have no policy statement stand on what occurs on the trail be an amenity for the community that is not an entitlement for the community. It's an amenity. It's an enhancement to community paid for mostly by charitable dollars, not by state funding, local funding. I don't think the city has put any money into the trail to develop the trail. It's all been primarily through some grant

writing we've done a lot of private.

The unfortunate thing is, and what brought all this about is is not um It's the things we've heard and it's the blatant disregard for respect for people on the trail. I people have told me I've got about got hit by an ebike when every time I've been out there. It's not Adam Stone Breaker or Art Langish or Sylvia or Stacy or Kenny that because Kenny can ride his bike just as fast as any ebike. It's it's kids under 16 that and I get it. You know, they want to be out there cuz it's safe, but you know, three of them come around a blind corner and and somebody had to dive out off the trail out of the way. I mean, somebody's going to get hurt. We had three kids Saturday at the Apple Fest come down the sidewalk and a older gentleman said, "You ought to go down the alley up here." And they just laughed at him and they come right on down and went through the about hit me down here on the sidewalk. You know, this is the problem. It's It's not the majority of the people that bought them for exercise. And since the last meeting, I've ridden one. And I I kind of liked it. It was pretty nice. Um but, you know, I get it, you know, because if you're if I'm riding on a 10 foot wide trail, it could be kind of dangerous. And if I don't, you know, if I want to go fast, you know. Yeah. art.

Well, first of all, thank you for not branding me as a funeral. Sure. Sure. Um, I wanted to say from my own perspective that there are already good rules, guidelines which are available for ebikes and I don't know whe DNR guidelines, but it stands already that you're well aware of the differences in different classes of ebikes.

Yeah. And therefore, if you're looking at a something which is not a class one or a class two bike, you're looking at something with a pretty good size motor, get you up to 30 miles an hour. And I can understand the concerns, especially when speed limit in town is only 20 miles an hour and they could be thrown in jail for exceeding the speed. I would imagine. Um, as far as a trail use is concerned, I would tell you that when I was 20, 30 years of age, perhaps even when I was your age, right up those steep grades, which

we have on the trail there, but in my 80s, that's not an easy thing to do any longer. Yeah. And certainly for my wife who's disabled in her abilities to ride, then unless she can use the essentially class two motor on her machines, then she just can't use the trail becomes absolutely impossible. I also look at the fact that my grandchildren and other young people get a lot of entertainment by being on the test trail and if they're kept to let's say low power by type one or type two then they can handle it with reasonable care and not be a danger to our people. So I would really like to encourage you to look at the guidelines which have already been developed by DNR as far as the different classes of bikes concerned and I recognize that you have the power to put in even more restraints in that area. But none of us like living with restraints which are not truly necessary.

And I think that we could be a little more lax in what we allow in having class one and class two bikes on the trail which are limited to a capability of 20 miles an hour. And I think it'll be a good thing for the community and it will be in line with what you see with other communities in the area using on the trails that they manage. Um, no. I I understand. I know if I was going 20 m an hour on the trail when that's the speed limit in town, like it or not, you know, it's too fast.

Yeah, Kenny probably he could go 20 miles an hour on the trail. But

that's that's all I'm gonna say. So, my major concern was there's a lot of kids in my youth group um that use just even the bridge in the park to go across. And I think I think this rule got written because of three or four kids. I'll be honest with you. Um I don't think this was a lot of kids. I think this was a few kids. I I have talked to those kids. I've even told those kids they're the talk of the town and that they should probably, you know, take warning and they're going to make rules because of of those kids. Um, some of those kids had bikes that went upwards of 60 and 70 miles an hour. Um, and I don't even think it's very hard to look at the motors as a police officer. I could I'll volunteer my time to go around and show you if you really want the difference. Um, but that is the reason for class one, two, and three is there's different things. My major concern is um, a lot of kids use that as a safe way to get to the complex. A lot of children, I would encourage you guys uh, to go sit. I don't envy any one of you. This is not a fun to be in. I don't envy you. I don't don't see any of you doing this maliciously or anything. That's not I don't think anybody's intent. I think the intent is safety and I think that's respected. But I'm going to tell you now there's a lot of children taking Ninth Street. And I think that's far more dangerous. Um because you do have teenage drivers, you do have parents, you do have different times of the day where the sun is in your face and you can't see. And there's no sidewalks on Min Street. And I I would just say if you're going to consider banning it and you do ban it, so be it. But if you could probably talk as a board about putting in another way, another little trail through the woods through the complex um or putting in sidewalks on Ninth Street, I think that's just appropriate just for kids safety. Again, there's a lot of children uh that go up there. Sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, all the way to 12th grade, they all ride bikes scooters and everything. And my kids were part of that group. Um and again, we all parents try our best, right? All of our children make bad decisions just like adults make

bad decisions and run stop signs or get in accidents. It's it's an accident, right? And so by making rules just to deter a maybe is kind of a scary thing when it's really only I think three or four kids and I'm going to be honest, I think that really is about it because I'll be honest, those bikes are three or four or $5,000. I don't know about any of you, but I can't afford that. And so my children have a scooter and it's $300 and it goes 18 miles an hour and I already know and my daughter rides it and she's safe and you know she just rides around our parking lot right now and she's learning and all that stuff. But I want to be a community as well. I think somebody put it online that is progressive in these things and not just deterring these things because if we're showing our kids that we don't care about them and their feelings and their emotions and their you're going to raise a a generation, it's going to start to hurt the next generation and the next generation because that's what they enjoy. That's what they like to do. Just because it's not something maybe everybody does, that's something they enjoy. And I think majority of people would rather see it on a trail than a road. Um, I think that's kind of common sense here.

Oh, I It's Look, it's a lot safer to be on a trail, but it's not safer for the person walking. Yeah. So, what do you do? Yeah. Allan.

Yeah. I know some people had somebody on the trail every single day. I haven't had a single time where I felt threatened or unsafe. Not people haven't I'm sure they have. I think this is an overreaction to kids like I don't think that we need to do such a harsh penalty for especially inclusively. It's all about rules and you know Yeah, but we can educate we're supposed

we're supposed to, you know, we have kids that don't have their driver's license to drive their golf cart on the on on the streets. So, you know, again, I would go back to sidewalks. Yeah. I mean, are they allowed to ride their bikes on sidewalks and other things of that nature? Legitimately, bicycles aren't allowed on the sidewalks. Bicycles are supposed to be ridden on the street.

So, uh, when I, uh, I got my first ebike about two years ago, and there's probably three people in town, maybe that happened at that point. And I go out and I ride the trail. I record my videos, put them on YouTube. I've had people from Indianapolis, Champagne. I had a guy from Michigan whose daughter was going to ISU see the video and they came and rode the trail and they loved it. So the issue that I have is I've not like Allan said I've hundreds of miles I've never had any issues. I've never seen any kids me personally I've never seen any kids riding ebikes like crazy. When I see kids they're usually with their family and either the family's on an ebike or the kids are on an ebike. Um, I've never seen any issues and like the fact that now we're going to have to ride on the street. Speed limits 20 and 30. So now we're forced to go 20 miles an hour to keep up with traffic as opposed to most people on the trail going 14, 15 miles an hour. So now we're going to deal with people that I think are going to be on the roads and they're going to be upset because we're on Liberty Street on an ebike. So we have to ride on the road and we're going 25 and they're wanting to go 35. So, people are going to complain about ebikes going too slow on the roads. Uh, just how I feel that's going to happen. And all these complaints, are they documented or are these just people in person say, "Hey,

well, it's been in person. It's been on Facebook and everything." I mean, it's

I'd like to see like either like a document someone would fill out or on the Cington website. Maybe someone can post anonymously issues they're having. So that way if there is issues you can go look at it and you can say okay there's five reports of someone on a white like you know a kid. So that way you can at least kind of single it out and there's something documented to show all these issues other than just people complaining in person on social media because you know people they're going to complain about anything anyways. But at least you have something to show okay we got 10 complaints this month and this is the issue. This is the time of day. So maybe something can be done to try to stop that. Is everybody in here for the for the ebikes on the trail?

I can see both sides of the issue. One of the big issues I live on third street. Yeah,

we have kids on ebikes. I had to dodge them. I'd rather have them set speed limits on the trail. Class five, class one, class two, blind corners. Put the two-way mirrors up. That way if somebody's coming around that corner, they can see the next person coming. That way you're not having somebody that's walking, somebody that's riding a bike hit each other. It's no longer a blind corner. Yes, this she loves walking a trail. I got a kid that loves running the trails on a Zike. I'd rather see him on that trail with his ebike. And yes, I understand respect is a huge thing and it's very lacking in today's kids, but there should be there has to be give and take on both sides. And the problem is there's no give and take. Like his first reward zero, all four, no class 3s, no UTVs, ATVs, golf carts. Let Charlie widen up that Now, your first ordinance was out of every ordinance I've seen on that makes the most damn sense. If you have a kid at break to class three, write them a ticket. Find the parents. Make the parents feel the pain along with the kid. Oh, that's that's so

I like your idea. We as a department have been really lenient. Yeah. Number one, we can't we don't have the manpower to go out there and monitor their trails all the time. I understand that. And and I would love to because I mean I'm getting pictures of people on the trail. I'm getting all kind of stuff. I mean, this is after this has been posted. So, people are testing the waters. Yeah. So, I'm telling you that we are going to get stripped which on it and it's going to come back. I'm saying it's going to come back to the parents. Yeah. That's where the problem starts. I mean, like your ordinance, that first one,

spot on because you can still have the kids that are off third street, off the city streets, is I don't know how many kids have almost been hit third and pearl because they decide to run the stop sign with bikes and cars and neither one paying attention. Now, I will say to the council, all the accidents we've had with ebikes have been on the streets. I haven't had a single trail and take on both sides.

I would like to I uh the other night I was sitting on sixth street where I live now and I watched a man a full grown man he's probably in his 30s or 40s run every stock sign down the road and I actually tried to catch this. So I thought you know what like the reason he needs addressed isn't because I'm mad at him or whatever. The reason he needs to address this, I think we keep throwing around kids a lot. Like the kids are the problem. The kids are the problem. We're adults. We're problems too sometimes. I mean, every one of us has broken a speed limit or a side, you know, ran a red light accident. It goes back to that maturity and that respect. And that's what I think we need to indoctrinate our kids with. Hey, we care about you and this is comes with responsibility. Like anything else in life, it comes with responsibility. Because when that guy flew through there, it could have been two seconds. I was waiting to see it on the coming pair page, kid blowing stop signs because that's what I think most people think, but there's a lot of adults in this town with them, too. And they blow stop signs or they're on the trail and all that. I used to see coaches go from soccer fields to the football fields on their golf carts. I didn't see kids ever do that. And so, again, I think we keep using kids as the problem. It's just you got to work these things out. You just got to have a solution. I I agree with him. I really love your first ordinance, what you wrote. I think that's appropriate. I think that's respectable. I think putting up those lines where that's all great stuff. I think you start there, not just shut it down. I think that's probably the a way you deter make a lot of kids upset. It just hurts a lot of feelings. Let's be honest. [Music] I've got just one thing to say about the walking part of it. We was out there during Apple Fest and you didn't see quite well. There was two ladies out there. But when I'm out there, I'm on a mobility scooter. This thing runs 10 mph. So, but when you said all motor

vehicles, that's cons. So, ADA rules. Oh, okay. Okay. All right. Well, you answered that question. Okay. But now I'm getting to the walking part because you It's very not maintained very well. And there's two walnut trees back over here that we seen a lady sprain her ankle, stepping on a walnut, had to go down, you know. So this you've got that too, right? We cleared the trail today. [Music]

Well, there's a nature trail, so we understand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Greg, mayor, thank you for the opportunity. Um, with all due respect to you folks who are advocating for low power ebikes on the trail, uh, this gentleman quoted a speed up to 20 miles an hour, even for those, and that's just too fast. I know

some conventional bicycles can go that fast on the trail, but not too many. And needless to say, walkers and runners aren't going to be going that speed.

In my mind, it's clearly just a safety issue on the trail. But there are parts of that trail that you couldn't even go that fast on a bicycle. I mean, I' I've ridden on it and it's impossible to go that fast because of how ugly it is. So like I don't think the kids are racing those and like I just wanted to say too, I'm walking the trail. I'm biking on the trail. I've never had trouble with kids on the trail on bikes. It's the adults on golf carts and other motorized vehicles that have been a problem. And so I feel like if we establish the bullards at all points of the walking trail um then that will keep those off. I my understanding is that the bikes the ebikes and the eers have been a problem on the city streets not necessarily. So, it feels like that this was all meshed into one and like we said, we just did an all one size fits all solution and said no no more ebikes instead of looking a little more closely because I I don't see trouble with kids.

Anybody else happy to see the kids outside? Are we able to do like a 15 mile hour speed limit for the ebikes allow them? But then maybe lower it even though they can go up to 20, but maybe make it a lower speed limit to make it a sneaker. Well, I know there's the sign that says like no motori motorized vehicles on the trail at all outside of the trail. I see that often. You know what I mean? So like, are we able to put a sign up at least and make it, you know, I mean all day,

right? I mean, it says no golf carts and they're still on there all the time. I have to move my double stroller just to not get hit by a golf cart on a walking trail, which is insane. I shouldn't have to worry about my toddler being run over by a motorized vehicle on a golf on a walking trail. That's crazy. And the sidewalks aren't well enough to walk on. So, I mean, I don't know. I I I understand like not everybody will listen, but I feel like at least if people tell, you know, something is enforced as in, you know, making it known that you can't go that fast, it could be helpful to the kids that will listen.

Put that in the ordinance. that you will be trail if you guys are in there with your truck, your vehicle. by the cat and all that back area where they do all that. Yeah. I mean, it's not considered like a it's not like a state or city road that it's it's forcible as far as and and like I said, there's just no way for us to even monitor that. Like I said, unless city wants to buy me a $6,000 light.

Do we really want to do that? I don't have a name out there. Let's educate the children. That's how the parents increase society. That's what you do. Try to make a lot of legals and criminals out of people right maybe go to the elementary school. You have a complication about safety on the trail and obviously the parents can talk to their kids. We talk to our kids about it, right?

So, I just think this is an overreaction. I think we're excluding a lot of people by just banning everything. They need to rethink this. I hope it I have a question. Is there one section of the trail that it's worse on as far as where kids or whoever is riding their ebikes? Because we've got different sections. Is there one that is particular that they like that? I don't know. I'm not out there.

I mean, the hills I go as fast as I can, but it's down by the field at the baseball field around that corner to the compromise. That is typically the problem because it's high volume, high traffic area. kids going to I mean as adults I love to walk the trail myself but if I know that's a bad area I'm gonna stay away from I don't want to be two walkers huh people shouldn't have to be twoer because

well and I get that but I mean we were talking or there needs to be I mean my kids are older I've got grandkids coming up there needs to be a safe way for those kids to get from the park to the complex figure that disagree with that at all I mean it's like whatever they want to decide here. That's the board. But I mean, even if that they want to ride their electric bicycles to the walking trail, they'll walk to the complex where the dirt path goes up down the complex and then they can get back on it. These work in every other community for every other trail in the state of Indiana. They're already set forth. Class and ebikes are allowed and it works everywhere else. I don't see how it work.

I'm not saying it is or isn't. They got people and they're actually on patrol. Of course, they got more people, but I mean there's people that I've seen get pulled over because hey, you're running 20 mph speed what 16 18. I mean, you could do it all day long.

So, I honestly feel safe for my boy. I'm glad he's on the walking trails and the sidewalks that are crap in this town and the streets. Everybody speeds on. He's going to the walking trail. Couple buddies. Yeah. I know it's safe. It's a nice trail.

It is. Can I define what class one and class two ebikes are? Class ebike has electric 150 watts or less maximum assistance speed at 20 mph and our pedal assist only there's no throttle class 2 ebike 750 watts or less maximum assistance speed our pedal assist so they can be a class two and then a class three device 750 watts or less maximum assist speed 20 mph and are pedal assist there's no throttle class electric motor not one of these definitions then they are not ebike motor of natural resources and they have hard surface trails on pave concrete or gravel trails pass one ebikes are allowed that's what it says department of natural resources

I'm That's why Indiana ran across one rider and three walkers. It's never too

The only time I feel unsafe is when golf carts are on the trail. That's the only time I have a problem. golf carts and ATVs. It should not be on a walking trail. Yeah, Clay. Hey, um I've had an ebike now for probably four or five years. Ever since I got both knees replaced. I would love to walk the trail, but I just simply can't. So, I get on my ebike and I go out on the trail. Now, there are times when I'm on the trail, I'm not using the electric part. I'm using just pedal power,

but there are some hills out there that I just can't do it. Now, I need the exercise, okay? I don't want my knees to freeze up on me. So, I need exercise. Now, the other thing that I've seen on the trail as an ebike rider, I have a bell on my bike. As I'm approaching somebody from the be behind, I start ringing my bell. I ring my bell or I say on your left. Now there are times when I went by somebody and they jumped because they have two earbuds in and they cannot hear the bell or me saying, "Yeah, I'm coming on your left."

Now, I mean, if we're going to ban that, then why don't we write the ordinance where you can't wear two earbuds? I mean, you know, I need the exercise. So, I'm probably going to be the first guy find $250. I don't know.

But I'm going to ride my eBike. Sometimes I will have the electric on, sometimes I don't. You tell me when I don't. Sounds the same. So, you know, I I think the kids I mean, kids on Ninth Street going to the complex, how can we sit here and say you cannot ride your ebike from the little league diamond to that little dirt path that goes up to the complex? I mean, how far is that?

Maybe. You know, I mean, I I I hate to, you know, people say, "Well, this always happens to me." Always is a terrible word because it's not always happening. It's not. And you you can't say it is not always happening. Has it happened? Probably. I've never seen a golf cart. I've never seen an ATV out there. Maybe I'm riding too early in the morning. I don't know. But, you know, let's let's be reasonable. Let's not make our kids ride their bikes always in the town because let's face it, a lot of people they don't look for bikes, they look for cars. You know, you got a yield sign. You know, that's pretty reasonable. The last thing I was going to say is you guys put a rule in place for golf carts to have tags on them. Uh, I think that would be an easy way to say a kid could pay a dollar or two to register the ebike at the police station. And if it doesn't have that registration tag, then it can't. We do it with golf carts. And on top of that, you could then check the bike when they bring it to you. If that bike is a class three, that's not able to be ridden in our town. That's fine. But other than that, why again, class one, class two, you could even put a sticker on each one. class one, class two because again that would a lot of problems in the future for class threes that are just sneaking in. Again, I think I I go back to that is your major complaints. I I've heard, I know, I've watched, I've seen them. It's typically the class 3 is some kid thinking to jump or some kid doing something or going 40 around a corner, not 40 and and that's your problem. So, take care of the problem. Don't make I think it perfectly. Don't make one problem. Ethan, for 17 years, we never had this problem. We didn't have a problem because people would say, "We don't need

any more trail because nobody's using it." And then all of a sudden, which wasn't true, but all of a sudden, you know, if if we make them have because I'll guarantee you if we had if they had to have a driver's license, no kid's going to use it. He's going to be in his car. That's not true. I know a lot of children with drivers that actually prefer ebikes or scooters. They do. They like it. Adam,

again, kids being outside, I think, should be our goal as a city. Kids being outside rather than sitting at home. And um I'm an advocate for video games, but uh that's that shouldn't be our main goal and our main focus in life is just to push kids indoors in a way. Keep the problem away. They're not a problem. They're blessing. And I think the more we just treat them like a problem, they're going to be a problem. And I've heard terms, I've heard things, and you don't want that. You You want to love on your youth. That's what I do as a youth pastor. I love on our youth. So, I hope our city council will love on our youth. That's what I hope. I hope you've heard enough people because I think there's a lot of people in here with the same concern. And I do. I hope you

go ahead,

Ethan. Thank you for opening my door. Now, since we have this is our 200 sticker for the year. So, that means we have 199 golf carts registered city of Okay, I know darn well that we're have more than 199. Okay, so just since I got a big audience tonight, we're going to go over those rules again. You must be 16 and have a valid driver's license to drive. You must have insurance and you must register your card with the Cington Police Department and get a sticker. Each sticker is a different caller every year. That doesn't mean you register one time and you're good. It's every single year from January 1st to December 31st and we'll have a different caller. So, if you have a golf cart and you do not have this orange and black sticker on it, you are illegal and you can get a $50 ticket. Okay? just to let everybody know that. So the reason why we did that is because we started getting 200 300 golf carts in the city of Coington. When did that ever happen before, right? Years ago, nobody had, you know, same with the ebikes. So I think Ethan's right as far as we need to have some way to monitor them. We don't have enough manpower. Let's face it, I can't be out on the trail. We had to be on a trail uh for emergency a couple weeks ago and the fire department was gracious enough because we don't have anything. We have a six-wheeler in the back that says come to police that does not rep. So the fire department was grac gracious enough to let me borrow and we were looking for two juveniles that were messy and I rode the entire trail new and old um one complete time and I never passed a single person. Not walking, not

biking, nobody. But I found the juveniles and we did find out that our trucks do not fit on that trail through the new So, we called Dale and we got the engineer right down there. He came down and we had to figure out the yellow bumper stoppers, you know, to get to have locks to be able to put them down because we have to have access to those trails. Um because if somebody does go down and the fire department does have the ranger that has the Stokes basket on it, that's what we have to use. So, um, just to let you know that those fit on there, but our vehicles do not. So, an ambulance wouldn't, but we have to get to the trail. Anyway, the main thing is I just think I don't care what you drive on the trail. Honestly, I really don't drive an 18-wheeler on the trail. I don't care. Okay? Do it safely. That's all I ask. do it safely because the one thing in Covington that we don't have to worry about right now, thank goodness, and I'd like to pat myself and Shannon on the back a little bit for that, not all, but we don't have to deal with the stuff with the Monan Trail in Indianapolis, is can anybody raise their hand right now and tell me that you feel threatened or scared to be on the trail because you're going to get shot, raped, stuck with a knife. Anybody? No. See, I think we're Well, that's just you're so good. I know. I heard about the women. But anyway, you know what I'm saying? It we D and Ernie Glenn's Vision made this trail and it should be for anybody to use. I don't care who it is. Okay. As a police officer, I am not going to sit out there and all day long and watch for

somebody riding a golf cart or maybe of the trail because usually when they do it, it's at night. And thank God after 20 years, I don't do nights anymore. So, I'm not going to be out there. Shannon's not going to be out there, but he'll get a phone call or we'll get a picture of somebody walking and take a picture of somebody going down. We have uh gentlemen that are ex firefighters and police that bought the woods next to the trail, the river for strictly for hunting and everything. And they have cameras everywhere and if someone trespasses on there or you know whatever we did, they call us and send us the pictures and stuff. So we can enforce that. But as far as the speed limits, the only way to do a speed limit is with radar. And only radar is in your vehicle. And there's no way we could do the trail. And even the signs that you see when you pass by and it says you're doing this speed. Those are what chance? $6,000 a piece.

Okay. And we need more on the streets, not on the trail. So there's just no way to enforce the speed. That's where I was going with that. So, I'd like to make a comment on the ebikes. I I ride a lot mostly on the trail, but I've ridden off the trail, but I went 850 miles this year so far. I've only seen about five or six bikes on the trail. I've never had any problem. I ride at different times of the day, morning. I've only seen five some golf carts and trucks. That's a different story. Yeah.

What's the chance of put slim to none? probably keep talking about money we have found willing to help development of it. Dale put one lane in and that's for bicycles. The other two are most Okay. Anybody else? Anybody else have anything? Okay.

Pardon? Does anybody else want to give their thoughts on it?

I will. Um, I was one of the ones that was and still is adamantly opposed to electric scooters being on the trail. I see no constructive purpose for them being on the trail at all. trail was it is designed to be a recreational trail and electrical scooters do not serve that purpose. Um I in probably 15 different experiences with kids on the electric scooters 14 of the 15 are negative and I don't see any purpose for them to be out on the trail. So I was one that was adamantly opposed to its inclusion. All the comments, including those here tonight, with a few exceptions about uh golf carts being on the trail, have been overwhelmingly negative to being having golf carts on the trail. And I don't see any purpose in continuing to allow that. It's they're nothing but a danger to both pedestrians as well as bikers out there. I have done a lot of research regarding ebikes um being done in other communities and we've been talking about how to be able to regulate it well within the streets and being able to do that on the streets is difficult because they are classified as bicycles which means one they're not allowed on on sidewalks they are allowed on the street they are allowed on our trail because that's private that that's not street or sidewalk necessarily. So now how the question is is how how do we handle it both within the park and on the trail. Um consistently with a lot of the communities that I've checked with as well as the Indiana DNR, they do allow for class one and class two. Uh

class three is not uh with obvious reasons because of speed. Um, and therefore I would move to amend the motion to amend the ordinance to include class one and class two ebikes be allowed on the trail um to be consistent with anybody else want to give their feelings on I'd be happy to. First of all, thank you all for coming to our meeting tonight. You know, people don't get involved unless it directly affects you. But guess what? Government directly affects you every day. My phone number is available. I had one person call me on this issue. They don't even live in our community. They wanted to know why we voted so strongly and made it across the board to exclude everything. One person called me. I'm in the community. I'm readily available. And I think each one of us are too. Any communication that I have had has been in person from people who have said to me, "Please don't allow ebikes on the trail." I haven't had one person contact me and tell me in person that they were for the ebikes on the trail. Well, guess what? We're elected to represent you. If you want ebikes on the trail and you don't communicate that with us, then we aren't representing you like we should be. I'm not for government overreach at all. I'm not for permitting ebikes to be on the trail to tag them. That's just more government overreach. I'm not for that. But some solutions that I do have is maybe suggested times for ebikes on the trail. These are things that we can talk about.

um maybe even designated bike routes within city limits so that people know where to look for bicycers riding on those routes. Um again, the trail is an amenity and um for our community, it's not an entitlement. There are difficult places to ride on the trail. bicycles. You don't have to ride that section of the trail. You can turn around and go back. You don't have to ride the whole circle. Um maybe we can host events if somebody wants to host an ebike event for the trail for a weekend or an event or something like that just to have invite people to come to our community, ride ebikes on the trail and enjoy it. Maybe that's something we can do look into. We have already talked about education, educating our kids in the schools with the police, going to the schools and educating them on bicycle safety. I know as a child I rode my bicycle. I lived in the country. I rode my bicycle six miles, four miles, one way uphill both ways. There was an overpass and so like, you know, it's it's not easy. But bicycles still have to abide by the rules of the road. I am all for safety of our kids using the trail to get back and forth to school. Not everybody can afford anybody. And again, this trail is an amenity to our community, but it's not entitlement. We aren't entitled to it either. Another thing we could do is, you know, pedestrians have the rightway, right? You go to college campuses or

whatever, pedestrians have the rightway. Common courtesy. It's not taught anymore. Common courtesy. But that's one of the things that we can do is put signage up to say bicycles, you know, yield to pedestrians. Another thing that we can do is um display a sign to show the difficulty levels of the trail to where it might be a little bit more challenging to ride a bicycle so people know which part of the trail they can handle or not handle. And um I also thought about the project widening the trail, making an ebike lane or a bicycle lane specifically for that so that it would be safer. I don't know what the option funding or anything, but that that is a good suggestion as well. And I just want to say our community is what we make of it. And we can cultivate safety, respect, common courtesy. But again, remember that we are entitled to the trail. And it's an original intent was a walking trail to get out and enjoy nature. And if ever there is a time

to get rid of social media bicycle when it was beginning,

well, and again, but that was before electric bicycles. And so, but if ever there's a time to unplug from social media, backbiting, complaining, because there's a lot of that on social media instead of just picking up the phone and having a conversation one- on-one with somebody who represents you, it would be a good time to unplug from social media and just enjoy a simple walk on the walking trail. So, I'm not for amending it tonight. the ordinance, but I'm definitely open up to suggestions to make it better.

I had a suggestion of what if you got a pull from the community and solve it or put together a committee from the community, some with parents, some with kids, some again, their voice matters in this community, too. Get some of the high school students from them as well. You're from parents, for parents and kids. I think you'll be surprised that there's a lot more people against it. And scooters, I I'll disagree with you in a nice way, Brad, but scooters are far safer than bicycles. They weigh less. They go less typically. That's what the cities all actually first implemented. When you go to a city, I grew up in Scranton, Pennsylvania city, and then frequent New York City. Um, and they have scooters first, bikes second, and that's pretty standard for just commuting. And if you ever go to a city, I would encourage you to go to Chicago and see how the how see how the bike lanes get utilized by cars and see how the bike lanes get used by pedestrians. Um they're breaking the laws there either way. And so what I mean by that is again you have to come to a common ground. Um I again I think I think you said it perfectly. I really did. I think what you said was right. I think you should amend it today. Really do.

We're not going to amend it today. We're not going to take a vote. We're going to vote November 3rd on it. We have a second. We have a second. I think it's overseas.

Kids are kids are going to have accidents, too. Just like when one of my best friends got hit right here on Liberty Street. It happens. Accidents happen in life. That's unfortunate. But if we treat our children like they're the problem, you're going to deter a generation. I don't I don't think we're treating children like they're the problem. I've heard children more than adults here. And the complaint that I have for those people that have spoken to me, a lot of them have been adults, not the children. And so, and that's why I said like I appreciate everybody coming here and conversing and and having it out and sharing it,

sharing the information, but again, the people that have contacted me have been the adults. They prefer to not heavy ebikes on the train and they are adults and kids both but mostly adults. So

there's no way, you know, put it in just like so. So there's no proof to back that up. It seems like most people have not had any issues with bikes ebikes on the trail. relatively easy form and post it on the site and anytime that you have a problem in response to the Google form and then it collects the data for you and it feels have to put words complaints in writing versus just off Facebook or you know to their friends

if you're also if you're not willing to amend it tonight that's perfectly fine but could we at least have children be able to have access from the park to the complex

it was it's been discussed in here [Music] it's right newspaper the newspaper twice and it was a significant change. You guys talked about allowing class one and two and then you present that's that's never been that's never been presented up until now. Okay. So then it's not one and two one and two has never been presented up until now.

No, it was it was excluded until now. Going back to what I said, if we could have access for that 100 ft, I'll even pay for signs that says this is the only I'll pay for myself. That's zero bothers me to let children have access from the park from the baseball field to the complex. Literally, it's 100 ft. And if you could write warning signs, you could put stuff, I'll pay for it myself. That doesn't bother me. But I'm telling you, Ninth Street's your worst enemy. And that will be a detriment to this community. for sure.

The Ethan, the Trojan complex was built in 76. Okay. It's been, you know, how many years is that? 49. Okay. I don't think anybody's got hurt yet there. But you just said yourself that there hasn't been ebikes and that hasn't been a thing. Smoked at railroad just you know but again

when the trail before now they take their ebikes and now you're forcing them to go again I encourage all you go sit one day after school and see how many kids take their ebikes or their scooters down street. That's the problem. That's what I fear for them. Tony, I I grew in a lot of cities. You're gonna have a problem. It's It's gonna look really bad because we don't have sidewalks. Now, too, you didn't have cell phones. You didn't have the other distractions. Now,

yes, but ninth street about third and second and third are both horrendous streets with the kids. I live on and I live on Nathan. I watch just last week I watched a damn semi blow through that damn stop sign. Yeah. 40 miles hour. There would have been a kid there. even pick up pieces. So, there has to be some give and take on. I'm sorry. I was I told I was going to be quiet, but we heard from two people. Can we hear from the other ones that are willing to speak up on the that we'll be making a decision?

You're asking if we're going to make a decision. They want you.

Yeah. Just just your opinions. I I would like to um introduce Chad Balser, a member of our community. Uh Justin Martin had moved to Crawford'sville, had to give up his position. And I want to thank Chad, and I'm not going to have him comment on his first night here that he's just been sworn in. So, put him on the spot. Um, I wish we could amend it tonight myself. I've heard about this for weeks and I was all for the first one and then the second ordinance came in where they eliminated all ebikes. It just happened so fast. I listened to Shannon and I listened to the police and that's what I wanted. I want the kids to be safe. I want our town to be safe. So, I listen to them and that's why I made that decision. But I have lots of friends, lots of community people, a lot of people in my shop. They like ebikes. They use regular bikes, but they like the ebikes. So, I don't think it's going to get amended tonight, but that's how I feel.

And just don't post anything on Facebook. It's just Randy Randy. Thank you, Kathy.

A little different perspective by working at the park and watching kids and adults come through the park. Uh the scooters are the scariest. These kids can barely see animals and they're going full speed through the park. I don't know where they'd go after that. Um, and I I respect uh the part about common sense, the parents taking a role in this and and doing the right thing. If your kid is elementary and you're giving them an ebike or a motorized scooter, uh, you might want to rethink that. I and I haven't heard a whole lot about on the trail, but through the park is horrendous. Especially through the summer, it's it's been crazy. And it's not just two or three kids. I mean, you can you can tell there's sometimes a group of eight to 10 kids together. And I don't know where you see the two or three kids.

I was talking about the class threes because I do know that the class threes. So, you're not talking about little kids? No. Again, they won't go over 20 miles an hour. all those other ones. But if you're going 20 mph park speed limit, that's fast. Cars shouldn't even do that. I know it's hard to do.

Um I just wish the parents would would step up do classes. You know, we we could have we I mean if we amend it tonight, is that going to make a difference tonight? I don't I don't think so. We got to we got to get a handle on it and and we're I mean I felt like we got dumped on because if you give your kid an ebike and just send them out there and say, you know, you don't have any rules. You just go out there and you I've seen them blow through every stop sign coming through the park. I mean on Park Avenue all the way through. Never stop. I I almost hit a kid coming out of sunset on the railroad. He did not stop. He did not look at me. I actually was going to speed limit at that time. And it it's scary. It's a scary, you know, just to watch him blow through different things and go as fast as they can. I I that's the reason I voted to just just ban it because it's so dangerous. And you keep speaking about loving our kids. I think we do. We all do. But it's it's there's got to be some control. And it can't be just us. It's got to be out there. So that's that's where I'm at.

I just wanted to bring this up. We give 16y old kids,000. What What are you telling? I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Yeah. You know what I mean? There's classes for that, too. That's risky, right? That's what I'm saying. Education and we live with that day. We live with that every day. Right. Right. So we've got to evolve,

but they still have to have rules, right? I think the amendment is a very reasonable amendment as as far as the class one and two. I mean, and I I feel for the police department because they're going to I mean, they can't, you know, be watching every there's six of them. I mean, you know, six law change it and they won't have to worry about it. Well, tonight they I don't know if they even worry about it tonight. I don't I don't know.

Can you Can you name some things to the board for things for our teenagers to do in this community because because I'm not trying to be mean, but I grew up in a city. There was tons to do. There was parks. There was skateboard parks and all sorts of things. There was tons of things. And again, this is something that they really, really enjoy. Again, it gets them out and going. And I'll be honest, there's not a lot to do at Cington. I mean, I don't know if you guys realize that, but but I'll be honest, when I spoke with my cousins when I moved here, um most of them would drink or do drugs and then most of them would just go that route. That's the truth. And this gives them at least something to do on the community. My children, I don't want them to turn that way, right? Because again, they're doing something. My kid rides down to the park. He plays whiffle ball with his friends. He rides over to the pickle ball park. He plays pickle ball with his friends and then they all go back to a house and play video games for the law or whip all in the yard. Then they go back and do it again. And that's what they're kids. That's what they're doing. But other than that, other than summer club, there's really not a lot to do in this community. So again, making rules against something or putting them in a worse situation again is just not a lot.

How many people in here own and operate ebikes? Are all of any of them not class one or two?

Not. I've got one that's a class three, but I mean it's the type of bike, and this is another thing ebikes are evolving. A lot of newer bikes are torque sensors. So, yeah, you can you can be at the highest speed, but if you want to go 12 miles an hour at the highest assist level because it's a torque control it. Um, I have had times where a couple weeks ago I was riding it and I was out at Salem Church and the middle of nowhere and a Rottweiler started chasing me. So, I put it on pedal assist 5 class 3. I went 28 and I got away from it. So, it's really fast. But there are some situations where it is nice to have that extra speed for situations like that. But I very very rarely go above pedal assist three. So, I'm usually anywhere from 14 to 17 miles an hour. It's a comfortable ride. I feel like I can go 40 miles. I I'm not in shape enough where I can ride a bike for 40 miles, but an ebike I could go on and ride 40 miles in a day and, you know, be perfectly fine going 15 miles an hour and feel like I'm in safe speed and I'm riding responsibly,

right? That's not saying there was three there was three to four kids with class threes at one time and they were the ones making jumps at the park and they were the ones that were running the sidewalks. Again, I agree with you. That is a problem for for parents that have kids and you have class three bikes. That is not allowed. That is not legal in the state of Indiana under the age of 60. Correct. But again, but then the ones that aren't breaking the laws, we're making rules to push them out. And that's what I don't I don't think we're pushing them out at all. It is. It's not because it's okay to disagree. We are going to do you still have to abide by the rules of the road.

Correct. And I I think everyone in here would all agree make rules, but there was never made rules. It was just banned. And that's the difference. That's not you know how many regular boxes of clothes or something. Exactly. Everybody up there grew up riding bike in town, hanging out with your friends. Did you all stop at every single time? I did.

Was there a second? No, not tonight. So then that's correct. So, so again, can we talk about that one lane though? At least in the complex, is that up for debate or is that still off the table too right now? That's by ordinance that's off the table. Okay. And if the child gets hit, who's responsible for if you're advising your kids, I'd say continue to use it, but get off the bike and walk it.

That's the safest That's the safest option. Use it and walk it through there. You should also be reaching out to your community, all demographics, talking to all age groups, seeing what they want. Like all we are busy, reach out to us. Talk to us. I understand. I have a full-time job, too. I know. 765 376 3469. So, if your person calls you right now, call a Copenha, you can Google my name, you can find my cell phone number. I'd be more than happy to have a conversation with you. Why not?

What's what's holding you up from making change? I think I've already said it and I think that there's a lot of solutions that we can come to together to to make it better. Everyone in here is not just saying like people who showed up to the meeting that absolutely are here and we're not asking you to not ban class three, right? That's right. And so, so you had one and two on previously, right? They have never been allowed or what we discussed.

It It completely eliminated any motorized vehicle, which includes scooters and bikes and everything prior. Correct. Can I second? No, it's got to be a council member. Can we have a council member please second that? No, we already have to respect all the people in this room. That would mean a lot. It really would. When we already I have children. So do I.

Hey, we're going to we're going to continue, Ethan. We're gonna we're gonna continue our meeting. Randy, you have anything? I'm really I understand I know you know and and so so there's been a motion made and it'll it'll take us back to what it be one but allow class one and class two ebooks So, what's wrong with that?

He's going to have to write an

I'm think I never asked for a motion. I made the motion. No, I never asked for a vote. That's true. But you didn't have you didn't have a second until then. Able to get the vote. I move that motion. We have to amend the ordinance. That's what we're That's what our motion was to do. Go back to class one and two.

Thank you. Thank you, Brad. You can't you can't do that though. Why? Huh? Why? Because because that would be the the same meeting that it's introduced and it has to be read one additional time or one additional time. Okay. So the motion and the second can be today but the vote for it has to be in the next meeting. Right. Then for this specific reason, because we're coming to the end of the season, I'd ask for a meeting to be held two weeks from the night so that we can do that because otherwise we're getting into winter season and we're eliminating kids from

or any of these adults from being able to use the park or however soon. I don't care.

It's too late. We We'll do Tuesday the 14th. Tuesday the 14th. It It does, but we have to amend the ordinance. Yeah. Yeah. Local ordinances have to go across two meetings in order to do it is what he's saying. So if we meet on the 14th, we can vote on it. And that's a Tuesday.

What is it? Is it day? Sorry, Chad. I lied. October 14. Yeah. Randy, do you have anything? Uh, no. Brad,

unfortunately, Casey already left, but I'd like to commend any of the city employees that were directly involved in Apple Fest. you guys did a great job helping prepare the community for it and dealing with all the situations throughout as well as trash cleanup. So on behalf of the Coington Business Association, thank you very much. [Music] You don't have anything Paula? No. [Music] Chad, do you have anything? Welcome Chad. Mr. Mayor, didn't know what I got into.

Would it be possible for the council to also discuss the little league issues on that date? Because I've been meetings since June. Yeah. Looking for an answer. Yeah. Yeah. We'll do that. Same date. Anybody? Meetings journed. Now you can go home and post on Facebook how bad I [Music]

got their own and then