City Council - Regular Meeting

I call the meeting to order.

Mayor Crane. Here.

Council Member Copenhaver. Here. Bolzer. Here. Easter. Here.

Smith. Here. Randall. Here. And Attorney Powell. Here.

Are there any additions or corrections First thing on the agenda is ordinance 2026 dash 5. It's that there shall be no parking on the East side of 4th street from the East West between Jefferson Harrison street. And North 66 feet, it's. 2 spots in front of the clerk's building down here, the museum. Who's there? on this request.

What were you saying, Shannon?

I actually think it should be from the corner of Jefferson to the next block because Max Fitness and everybody goes there.

They always park there. So what's the next street? Harrison. I would say Jefferson to Harrison.

So are you saying limited or no parking?

Unless it's

I mean, it's even pulling out of Jefferson.

We've already had multiple wrecks there, just so you can see.

It is a traffic jam. So how was that worded again? I'm sorry. Brad?

No parking on the east side of 4th Street from the east-west alley between Jefferson and Harrison Street and north 66.

And you're saying do the whole block. We have to rewrite that then. You want to table that one and.

Thank you. as stairs.

You're, as I know, Trudy Dillon. She does the veterans banners that hang in town.

Yes, I'm a proud member of the Daughters of the American Revolution. And I'm just here to thank the council, Brad, and the utility workers for all their help with our program. And the reason I wanted to come here today is on behalf of our chapter, Susan and I won for the state of Indiana.

Zach Kelly.

And we also got second place, it's actually a tie, for the most participating towns in a DAR chapter for the military banners. And I just, I can't thank you enough for all of your support for our program. And I know everybody loves to see them, and this is our fourth year, so we're still going pretty strong. So I just wanted to thank you.

Who all is here regarding annexation at the. Eagle at the subdivision. Yeah. Okay, who's who's your spokesperson? Yes, Andy go ahead.

Okay. So I just. Okay, I've been out there for, well, you've been out there before me, but I've been out there six years, I think, and we thought we were annexed, but we were told that we had to have at least two or three more fire irons. We don't have two.

And there are how many houses full of two now?

Yeah.

So are we incorporated or are we not incorporated? Yeah, you're incorporated. OK. So we don't have a fire hydrant.

So are we against it? We are going to put those in. Yeah.

Definitely.

Did somebody tell you you weren't incorporated? You weren't annexed?

Well, I don't know.

Taylor? I don't know I sat down here. And all the, you know, all the required meetings that nobody showed up to, you know, but it was requirement. So, so that was the last year, wasn't it? Last year, year before I think November, December, the meetings I said that a year ago, 2 years ago. Okay, so. But you are getting the fire hydrants. Casey, do we have them in yet? No. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, they've been used other places basically. Oh, they're ones that broke and didn't work.

This was like two years in the making though.

I mean, he's signing annexation over two years ago.

So yeah.

And, and will we eventually get, um, natural gas? Cause,

So what kind of fire service protection do they have now? They have two hydrants. There's two there plus the one that's over there. For how many homes?

Forty. Normally it's every 300 feet. We don't have any firemen here, I guess.

It would be difficult.

They're both on the right-hand side of the road.

You mean right together? Yeah.

kind of the west side of the

Probably what you remember is we were having a discussion with the developer as to who was going to pay for them.

I got a question for you, Sandy, or other members. Was there other things in that agreement such as streetlights, curbs, sidewalks?

A lot of people signed off on the annexation because there was a... Hold on. We had to sign off because we were under our own covenants. So everyone in the subdivision had to sign off that they wanted to annex a certain percentage. I can tell you, two of us did not. Because we wanted nothing to do with city. No city taxes.

But you like city water and sewer and electric.

Yeah, but we already had it. We already had it. But I was prepared. That's why I had an anchor brand to put in a well. So don't.

No, I'm a first house. I was prepared to do it all. You put in a well?

No, you're saying when you built the subdivision. We were prepared to do whatever we had to to do our own. But the point being, the people in the subdivision were promised all of these things, and that's why they signed off on it. They said, yes, we want streetlights. We want sidewalks.

We want these things. The streetlights and all of them were never discussed with the council.

It was discussed for Brad to people in the neighborhood.

If you want streetlights, we can put them in.

I wasn't...

Yeah.

It wasn't happening. It wasn't going to happen. You weren't dumb.

Who told you that?

That it wasn't going to happen?

Yeah.

Because you can't get sidewalks fixed in town. How are we going to get some new ones?

That was never discussed.

Well, I'm just... It was discussed. So many people have heard that when you wanted us to annex that these things would happen. And then they didn't happen. And now people are like, why am I paying these high taxes for city stuff?

People wanted annexed in.

Because they thought you were going to make changes.

What do you remember about that?

What was the percentage of vote? What was that?

I'm going to speak up because I sat through two meetings and I was the only person in this neighborhood At those meetings, and there was never any discussion.

I don't know because I wasn't part of the city.

We're not part of the city.

So why would I come to the city council meeting?

I don't remember. I said in one meeting, I don't remember any streetlights or sidewalks, but the fire hydrants was.

It was. It was. Yeah. And the streetlights, we said we could put some up. Now, where we would put them, I remember hearing people, we don't want those shame in our houses.

I also remember them talking about taxes going for $500.

Yeah. But everybody.

Just so you guys know, my lot of land is worth $120,000. If you guys want to buy some ice from my igloo. But it's because we're in the city now. My dad owns an acre, too, and it's 55 on the other side.

Yeah, yeah.

But mine's 120 because it's in the city.

That's the county assessor.

Correct, but that's because we've been annexed into the city, which is what we did not want. Those are the city taxes.

I'm not going to dispute that at all.

And we haven't gotten anything besides snow. You have trash pickup.

We were forced to take that.

We all had our own trash pickup at the time. I know out on River Road they did. They pick up trash all except for the last 3 houses. Was that some sort of contract or something for 7 for 7?

So the last 3 7 were annexed in with Lenny Smale was the mayor.

Okay. So they were wondering why it was 3 3 out there. They said, why weren't they included? So that must have been previous.

It'd be nobody because there's no city ordinance on it that I'm aware of. It's under your covenants.

There was a covenant. You know, there was covenants.

I mean, your covenants are so good. You can have an interior neighborhood covenant as far as, hey, it's got to be 80% break. Yeah, the problem is that with those covenants, there is often a board created or a person in charge.

So you're saying that's illegal? Correct, yes.

I'm just taking it from a covenants point.

Yeah, if you're coming out from a zoning point, then yes, it's not zoning. Is it a vacation, VRBO, or no?

The person's relocated, basically.

Interesting.

What's its zone? It should be R1.

Yeah. I haven't looked at the zoning map, but I don't see it. I guarantee you that it's R1. You're saying that it's corporately leased?

No.

No. It's an Airbnb. It's an Airbnb. He's not doing that. He just found somebody that was working down at the utility company down by Terre Haute. And he's written individual reviews to them. So they're coming and going whenever they want, parking their vehicles wherever they want.

Give us some information.

An address. An address would be nice. Yeah.

Is there any more discussion on that?

we're just here to listen 27 acres. And you know where that is? Across from your house. Okay. And the 45 acres between that I bought off Connors when I built the golf course. And it's between the cemetery and the J.W. Potter's house, the golf course. And you know where the cemetery is? Both sides of the road.

South side of

extension of dixie b is it the south side on the west side of the street west side of stringtown road and the east side extension of dixie b yes it's the south side of that yes okay that's correct and then the part beside your house beside your house your property over to where the graves are

So, you're on the North side of the TV too.

No, no, no. Just the the South side. Cemetery cemetery on the East side.

Larry Reynolds. You were there today. Told him he was going to be annexed. Yeah, he's not.

No, I didn't tell him he was going to be annexed.

Okay.

That's what he told me when he's gone.

There's a need. Okay. Yeah. So the past. And then further back down the lane is a house. That's good. City portion. Where does the city line in relation to all of that?

Um, I'm, I'm not sure.

Does it touch is the city touch?

It does. It does. It's behind J. W. Potters and the South on the South side.

So Dixie Depot would be the line, and we're going to be stuck between sitting here and sitting here.

Yeah. AJ Ratcliffe, the 45 acres, Rich Renick, the president of the Mount Hope Cemetery Association, and myself on behalf of Scott Fowler and myself on the land out in front of Rivercrest between Stringtown River.

to do is that we have to pay- To extend utilities.

Where would the access road be to get to this place?

Dixie B Road.

Dixie B Road. So how far west does it go? From Stringtown Road? West of the Stringtown Road.

golf course already through our press no no road through there nope i thought there should be for fire protection ambulance service but but no we're not going to do that i don't know that carol we haven't voted on it uh Pass it into the city. So, I would think so.

So, when you're running the utilities, are you saying you're going to be paying for the utilities in a similar manner? Jeff Clark had to pay for the utilities for ourselves. Because you said that you were paying for the pipe. I'm just making sure that.

And manholes and Scott Powell's going to put it in.

So the city workers won't be paying.

No, no, no.

So the property that is to the west, the west side, the string town behind the cemetery that I think racked up homes.

So the traffic.

It's kind of like on River Road, you know where the entrance is now for the 40 houses that are there or 38 or whatever it is. That's, you know, about the same situation.

Our intersection is dangerous.

Well, I will tell you this. I had it worked out where it would be the golf course road. And the cemetery, they deeded over, for consideration, deeded over 24 feet on the south side of the cemetery to enter the subdivision, which would be much safer.

But it's not much safer because we already can't get out on where the laundromat because it's only a 3 way stop.

I'm not talking about there. I'm going to balance strength down the road.

Yeah, correct. But then you guys are now going to.

out of there it's dangerous yeah that was a concern of mine was virtually presented he never approved like five to six years ago i'm sorry i was speaking so i didn't hear what you said

Well, right now, the discussion is regarding annexation, not regarding the call. So, until we get to the final version for everybody to know what you're asking, because it seems confusing for everybody.

I know what you're talking about because I lived here all my life and work here in this town. I know exactly where it's talking.

Yeah, I'm just going to ask if there is some way that we can be providing a printout of how this all lays and where it all ties back into the city boundaries itself. I think everybody's kind of got a valid point. I'm sitting here trying to grab my head around.

We've got part of this over here on Dixie B into the east, but to the south of Dixie B, and then we cross over and we go behind the cemetery, down over into the bottom, down over into there to Is Mount Polk part of the city now, or are we annexing it with this?

They requested to be annexed.

Okay, so they're being- Yeah, that's what I said.

No, that's what I said. I said we received a petition from- The Mount Hope Cemetery Association, the 45 Acres, Jimmy J. Ratt, and the 27th Acres. John, I can't tell you.

Taylor, do you know? I can tell you that the petition was filed today. That's all that's happened. What is the rule? I think it's 12%. 12.5. Pardon? 12.5. Yeah.

12.5. And we did it. If you're going to try to vote on this annexation tonight. We're not voting on anything tonight, Dean. Okay. The next question I've got for the city is, what does it cost the city right now to provide city services to a city resident? those things encompassing fire, sewage, water, police, and emergency response and snow removal. Why does that cost the city to a resident?

You live in the city. You live in the county because I've been in the county meetings when you were there.

You know. So here's my next question to you, Fred. Because you know I'm a stickler for details.

So the reason I ask you that question is, before you can ever annex it, and that's according to IC 364-13, you would have had to put together a proposal and a budget for the annexation and where you're going to get the money. And that also requires you to be able to provide those services within one year for parking and the sewage and the water and the gas within three years.

require that we receive this petition today okay so so there's not a detailed fiscal written plan that's been adopted by the city to annex that no what's the negotiation Dixie B Street Town Road, if I'm not mistaken, half of it will be possibly annexed into the city. Half of it will be still in the county. Has the county been notified?

Of Dixie B? unless we work something out that we had originally where we would enter

I don't understand that.

Well, they want water.

They want water.

We furnish them electricity right now.

Who is we?

The city or you? No, Scott and I. Okay.

What was the exchange? I'm not, you know, I don't have to disclose what it was. It was consideration that we gave this cemetery. So apparently all that territory, just so we're all on the same page, it's outside the city limits.

So therefore, it's under county jurisdiction.

There's no, well, that's that's a matter of opinion. John, we've had for.

It's never been filed with 43 years. It actually is after you and I spoke. I mentioned it to my wife and she said, I just had a discussion with the assessor. I know it's on file. And she asked her, who's that?

Because I've asked for it.

She said that the assessor has the documents.

I've asked for it.

She asked.

It's in the documents.

We'd love to see them.

So has the engineering been done? None of that's been done? None of the engineering? None of the maps?

Engineering for the new project, yeah.

Brad, has engineering been done on that, on those parcels? What are the size of the blocks?

So it's kind of really important to get this developed

because Ratcliffe couldn't make the subdivision happen then, and then now- He withdrew the petition. Excuse me?

He withdrew the petition.

Because he couldn't get utilities.

I don't know why.

Oh, right.

Yeah, that's good.

Well, I know. I have asked him. He couldn't get the utilities. The sewage plant was not up to snuff. We could not add any more. houses to it and now we're adding another 50 whatever amount like the city wasn't prepared to take on a subdivision again and it was stopped and now we have the one out by the fountain springs and now we're adding another however many so the question is can we handle it is the question because we haven't done any updates actually we have we just we just got done spending what 2.6 to prepare for this. That's what it's for.

But I knew well when the city was in issue.

adding all of these houses and stay a one stop lights down.

Like at some point, we're going to have to do something with roads because some of them are very dangerous. Like she said, I mean, our interests, we've added a lot. And unless you're the one up and down that road 15 times a day, you don't see it all the time. But we're going to have to like. There's city roads. I know there's highway roads, but somebody has to do something for these roads. If we're going to keep adding, you add 50 houses, that's a hundred cars.

Minimal.

That just got added to the tank coming from different directions.

I've never really had a problem when I come out to your subdivision.

I can't be the only one. But then again, I'm also, I get my day all day long. I am up and down that road all day long. And that's actually good. No, right there. No, not on ours, but at the county market. That's the problem. That's the problem. Is that why I'm right there.

They want to take it away.

They want to take it away.

We can't keep adding.

We can't keep growing.

It'll be advertised how? That's another of my questions. I haven't seen a Fountain County neighbor for years.

I'm sorry.

I know, but you know, and I'm sure there's lots of news in there, valuable stuff, but I'm just saying, you know, can we go a little farther than that? Can we advertise it in anything else? I MEAN, I KNOW FOUNTAIN COUNTY PAPERS FOR FOUNTAIN COUNTY.

IT'S NOT MORE THAN ONE PAGE, SO IT CAN BE PUT ON THE WEBSITE.

on anything today. You made the statement that it was just proposed today. So what are the steps? Because everybody has got questions, what are the steps? From here, it's been proposed, what is the next step?

To have a meeting to vote on it. To vote on it.

And you have to have all those requirements of different documents.

The publication has to be done first. And within 30 days of the publication. Is it even then that's only on the annexation, but it's not on the development of all the property.

And it's, it's a super involuntary annexation, which means there's nobody in has any connection with the land. That is not for it.

Okay.

People are asking these questions.

You're like, well, we're not voting on it today.

Okay. We're not voting on it today. What are the next steps? So they understand what the next steps are.

So then with more information, then more discussion, then we might vote for it and we might not. You may or may not vote in the next meeting.

We'll have to call a special meeting.

So will they?

The gentleman said that there had to be a study done and where the money's coming from. Does that have to be done? That's your.

when there is a hearing and an ordinance adoption. Any necessary study or any other thing that needs to be done will be done before there's a vote on whether to approve it or reject it.

Okay, so I guess you all have to do some work work and find out how much your cost is to each one of your citizens here in the city of Covington and then get a proposed plan on how you're gonna provide those services that are required in one year and in three years and have it written down.

The state's kinda picky about that. You wanna make sure by getting these written documents down.

And so everybody knows what's going on. It's like getting a visual picture so that everybody can see what all the various pieces are. So there's no confusion, okay? And just speaking from my work within the county, that gets really confusing when people can't see

I guess that was my part of the engineering, some maps, some things that we need to look at.

Yes and no, because you're still talking about two different steps, and I think that's where part of the confusion is here. What we're talking about is annexation, not development.

Annexation for a city to annex, to annex the parcel. The parcel has to meet at least the 12.5 Well, first of all, this is a process, right? And so we're going to follow the process. We're going to follow the procedures and we're going to ask all the questions and then we're going to make the best decision, informed decision that we can make. And so this meeting has totally been about annexation tonight and it's just the very beginning of the process. When we first started the discussion about annexation several months ago, I was asking all the questions too. Like, do we have the infrastructure to support it? Do we have all this stuff? What are the steps? And so since then I've learned there is a process and we are going to continue to follow the process one step at a time. So thank you for asking for clarification from the back, what the next step is. And we will also be taking guidance from our council for the city. as to the legal process and procedures. So there is a process. We're going to follow the process.

Thank you.

You're welcome. my parents aren't But I'm not seeing where it touches the city at all. I'm just wondering, where does it touch the city? I can't tell you, Jeff. So it'd be a non-contiguous annexation of it. Is it the airport that we're annexing it? No.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me, like Paula, just try and save us all some time. We have a petition. Okay. The city annexed, as we talked about, Rivercrest Subdivision Central Phase 3 within the last year or two. that goes up the golf course itself, he's mayor's correct, it's not annexed in, it goes up north or south, I'm sorry, sitting here, south of J.W. Potter's house, some distance, that would be where it would connect, the petition parcel would connect to the current city limits. The city has to hold a hearing more than 20 days after the petition But within 30 of the publication date. So, if that hearing comes back and there's the kind of continuity study that says it's not contiguous. In the city's council's decisions, if it comes back and says any of these other studies that have to be done. Hey, here's here's the big problems with them. Then the city council makes the decision based on all that. Today we have a petition. We're not. deciding that Radcliffe development that was brought up I know some years ago this is just these three parcels filed up addition just I think notice of that notifying everybody today it will be published and there will be a hearing meeting to decide

This is all information that will be forthcoming and then we'll be able to make a decision. We don't have that information yet.

I said it does. Are you showing me that it does? It doesn't, but I've said it does not. It does not but up to those. It does. That's not part of the city. Sorry. Those holes are not part of the city. I'm not a legend.

That's what I'm saying. It does not.

There are locks on the east side. That property is not up to. Then in 20 to 30 days, we will have an easy city council meeting.

Perfect.

So we will be getting information to the county. As well about how much the.

The other part, which I understand the confusing part, but the plan is to put in that subdivision subdivision. What does the engineering I'm not right? I don't know. I know the engineering has been done. It was for some engineers done into the city again within the last, I don't know, 5 years probably. But that's as far as I know all I know is I've got 3 property owners that filed this petition.

what kind of commercial John what say I again

What does he plan for that?

Business development. We don't have any, we don't have any place in town for businesses, new businesses to come to.

No, no, we have right now, we're trying to get a grant to update the water. So there's been no long-term plan for updating?

Well, it's a step at a time. It's $1.2 million is what we're looking to spend first.

I understand that. So is there a long-term plan?

So in the county, we've been dealing with all of this, trying to get zoning started and established because we really have to.

So in the process of that, before we could ever do zoning, But what is your comprehensive plan? Because you can't have zoning without a comprehensive plan. So what is your comprehensive plan?

You don't want change. I understand.

I'm just saying that I would like to see the best for our town as well. I'm not against the initiation. There's just not enough information about what was happening. You know, maybe it's a good thing, but I don't want our water lines, our sewer lines, our electric. I think our electric is another machine, but. It has to be something that's going to enhance the entire town, not just a few people in town.

Well, that's what we're trying to do, enhance people that want to come here.

So we don't, well, that's fine, but it can't be to the detriment of the people who are in the area.

I don't think it would be to anybody's detriment. Did anybody feel it was to their detriment that the subdivision came in at the golf course?

yes okay so i'm so proud of this town and that's what i brag about and i work in danville and i want to tell you how many people i know that are looking for homes over here okay so i do know that the governor although i won't even go into all that but what i am going to say is i have been on several boards in danville and one of them

They struggle getting businesses to come into their town.

They struggle getting people to invest. I think that we used to be what they call the sleeper community. where people lived here, but they work somewhere else. So it's all an excellent thing to help us support with tax dollars and helping our schools and different things. And I think that it's a really good thing. But part of that is looking at the things that affect the people that are here. I came tonight because I was curious about economic development. So I live here. i didn't come to for any other reason just to kind of hear what was going on but i think that's a key thing we need to think about is what do we want in our town because we can be choosing so i think that's one of those things like rats talking about bringing businesses but bringing businesses in that help our town and again i'm going to get on my thing i hope i don't offend anyone but when the prison came to daniels when they started having all their problems okay it brought in 16 1700 jobs at the time the people looked at that thought Susie wanted to be closer to having to start at the end. So I think that economic development is really important for us, and I think it's a good thing. But I do think, as you guys say, we need to be thinking about what we do. But change is inevitable, and we have a fabulous town that everybody wants to be a part of. So those things that are visible are exciting. And I'm one of the people I call Brad. I have super issues.

It is still just as possible to be a county development outside where you get the pluses of those houses, you get the pluses of those citizens, you get the pluses of the kids going to school, but without the burden and the weight while you're still trying to repair some old infrastructure as well. came along and said you need at least a minimum of three acres because you got to get your setbacks from your neighbors so we don't want to have what went on south of town here where people want to build a building they couldn't even build a building because they were too close to the neighborhood they didn't have enough and so we had to make adjustments and they had to come in and get variances to make adjustments so those homeowners could just build a building so that's kind of why

And so what it might be if it was in science.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

county and the city both lays the burden on

never put in a subdivision there's a lot to it other than what it looks like it's a lot of work it's a lot of money a lot of money and the payoff is slow i didn't say it wasn't worth doing because obviously we're doing it but i'm telling you it's not something you put in and tomorrow you run to the bank but you're getting another loan

Thank you. Casey, what do you have for us? Did he used to work for the county?

Did he used to work for the county?

Do you need a motion?

Do you need a motion to hire him? Yeah. I'll make a motion to hire Sam Dillon.

I'll second. Okay. Randy? Yes.

I would recommend that we purchase the tasers.

You had mentioned something about a five-year plan?

There is a five-year plan.

If we want to entertain that, let's talk to everybody.

I think we should just go ahead and pay for them.

If we have the funds, I say go ahead and pay for it.

We do.

I make a motion to purchase those tasers and pay for it now.

Yes. things that we can do as a community. You just have to come together and say, well, come and get it. People could come and say, you know, I'm diabetic, I can't get help. We want to do three of these events. So Covington's first, because that's where the leaders work. And there's a large grant, like $207 million for the state of Indiana, for the United Counties. About 20 that are involved. So I'm invited. I'm trying to get us some of that money. And there's a private grant too.

So we're all invited. It's at the Crew Building at the First Baptist Church. Tuesday, June 30th from 12 to 1. I'll be there. Thanks, Matt. Still working with OSF to get a primary care clinic here in Covington.

It's been a long process.

They were real anxious to get one.

Well, unfortunately, I have a list, so here we go. We have a flag on the flagpole on the entrance of the park now. I don't know who was responsible for that, but if the rope broke and somebody fixed it, put a nice new flag up there. So whoever it was, I appreciate that. Not as a council member, but as a park superintendent, that was nice. Let's see. I had the gate fixed on the southwest corner of the U-14 soccer field. The hinges had broken. It was just kind of laying against the post that was there. So I took it upon myself and had a guy come and fix it. There's that. Also, I have a quote for to finish the railings around the stage because of safety concerns. I have a quote from Barry Lyons, and this is for the other, well, all four sides, but the front is removable. I guess they're all removable. He was supposed to be here to explain this, and so... Fabrication, painting, installation, handrails all the way around. So that it is, there's kids get their e-bikes up there. They're little scooters that are motor-powered, and they fly around up there. So before somebody gets hurt or worse, we need to have this railing put up. Hopefully, I'd like to do it before July 4th. And Barry did say he could have that done, and there's that quote.

Didn't we have that discussion at one point that had bids submitted?

No bids. We had one bid for the handrails and then the ramp. There was a bid for the handrail on the ramp and the stairway. It took over a year to get that because they had two-by-four post zip-tied for safety. And then we finally got those handrails done, and those were about $20,000. So this is to complete the rest of the station. Yeah, the other four sides. and the front, but it's removable. You can take that off.

I was going to say that would be a problem with entertainers.

Yeah, well, they may fall off too. But yeah, and that's complete because he's going to put everything together.

Is it the same kind of tubing?

Yes, the square tubing. And it's, it's kind of a big deal cause it's wide open. And I'm what is the, what is the height of that stage? Brad, you remember about four, four and a half. So I think OSHA probably, yeah. Well, somebody got hurt on there. I'd hate to have to pay for their house. Um, and you guys can look at that gable ends on number two pavilion. They need scraped painted or siding. And I talked to Kathy about that or Kathy brought it up. Um, Yes, Brad and I. What else? Oh, finishing off the parking spaces there in front of the pickleball courts. It's just a big bridge. Need some rock brought in for that and finish that off. Yeah. I think that's all I need. or that's all yeah that's all the park needs anyway so were you asking for a motion to have that as soon as as soon as we could if we could do it tonight would be really nice and he would have it up like within he's his time frame is usually you know week two weeks uh the way he was talking we could have it put up by fort the fourth of july if that's

$26,506. So moved to do that. Okay, do I have a second? I'll second. Paul? Yes. Chad? Yes. Kathy? Yes. Brad? Yes. Motion passes 5-0 to have Mary Lyons.

And I can contact him tomorrow and let him know.

Fab that.

Does he want half and half payments or what's he want?

he mentioned that let me talk to him and he said the steel prices the way they fluctuating right now then it could be it could be more it could be a little less yeah so i'll get back with you tomorrow linda thank you

about I've witnessed about four accidents around that thing because it's no I don't even know who serviced

That's the way we like to work.

The weather has been so screwy. I do. Sidewalks. So Greg Klingin was gracious enough to find what Attica does regarding their sidewalks. And so I am proposing for us to have an application for sidewalk replacement program. So I have typed it up comparatively with Attica's and I thought maybe we could go over it. We don't have to do it today, but it is forthcoming because I do want to address the issue of the sidewalks in Covington. And so. There you have it. You want to talk about it? Yeah, it's basically the same thing, what we discussed. The policy for Covington, if you have a sidewalk in front of your house, you would pay half of the cost for the concrete and the city would remove it and pay the other half to put it down. So it would be half and half. And if at all possible, we would prioritize the ones that are in worse repair than ones that obviously just have a little crack in them or whatever, and prioritize them and give the option to the homeowners. And I would also like to see if maybe if the homeowner can't come up with the cost up front, if maybe it can be added on to their property tax bill or something along those lines. But it would be the property owner's responsibility to pay half and then the city's responsibility to pay half. So that's what I am proposing with an application and first come, first serve. If we can set aside some funds from the city to take care of it, prioritize it, that would be fabulous.

You can do that.

Okay.

Well, what it's been for some time is we will remove them, dispose of the concrete, the homeowner puts them back. But what Paul is proposing is we pay half the labor and half the cost.

We have to find a contractor also to do it. Sorry about your luck.

You're going to have to have a limit on how much you're going to do. Exactly.

You can't do 30 or 40 sidewalks a year. I'd suggest we take all that so we can look at where we're at with budget to be able to handle all that.

I have a question about that. What if the homeowner, because you're talking about in and out, what if they say no? Okay, so if we're trying to do half and half and they're not paying their half, then what happens?

Their half will have to be paid up front, I would think, before we do it. We'll have an estimate from the concrete person.

you know, trees that are specific for urban areas. I know we're not urban, but that might save me.

That's all I have. Thank you.